[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China

Sun Jul 16 19:55:21 UTC 2017

"A fifth column is any group of people who undermine a larger group from within, usually in favor of an enemy group or nation.” 

That’s not what the Israel Lobby is, altho’ M&W (and others) think so, with the 'larger group’ being the US ruling class.

Chomsky made clear the subservience of Israel and the Lobby to US ruling class interests in his review of M&W: <https://chomsky.info/20060328/ <https://chomsky.info/20060328/>>.

The relationship he describes has developed further over the last decade, but it hasn’t changed fundamentally. 

The Salaita scandal was a (successful) reassertion of the standard form of intellectual control in US universities, which has hardly been challenged in 40 years.

Alex Cockburn used to say you could take the US ruling class by surprise once every decade: it takes longer in the academy, because the control is more important.

—CGE

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu> wrote:
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> M and W were late-comers to studying the Fifth Column Israel Lobby and American Zionists--there were better exposes before them. See,e.g.,  Professor Cheryl Rubenberg, Israel and the American National Interest (University of Illinois Press--yes, I helped get them to publish it). If anything, M and W deliberately  understated  their Power.  In addition, M and W dedicated the book to their Mentor that die-hard bigot, racist and warmonger Sam Huntington. The objection by M and W to the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists is that they all impede the better operations of American Imperialism around the world. M and W do not present a Principled Argument. Huntington was ahead of me in the PHD Program at Harvard. Many of us refused as a matter of principle to study with him because of his die-hard support for the Vietnam War. Obviously, that created no problems for M and W. Then came Huntington's Clash of Civilizations against the Arab/Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Then came Huntington's racist  diatribe against Latinos published in Foreign Policy by the Ford Foundation--a front organization for the CIA. Etc. Etc. Etc. And it is an undeniable fact that the Local Zionists ethnically cleansed Native Americans off this campus by pressuring the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Steve Salaita. These Local Zionists were able to destroy Salaita's entire career for a mere $800,000 in Illinois Taxpayer's money. No skin off their Nose. A Real Fifth Column indeed on this Campus and Nation-wide.
> Fab
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:54 PM
> To: Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China
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> No one doubts the influence of the Israel lobby, but there are other and more important lobbies influencing US policy, notably the lobby of ‘defense’ contractors. 
> 
> Mearsheimer and Walt’s "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy,” for all its insight, was an overstatement when it appeared a decade ago, and that hasn’t changed. 
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> Israel remains the client.  —CGE
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>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu> wrote:
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>> Yeah Carl. Nobody is talking about the Massive Influence Israel and the Israel Lobby and the American   Zionists have exerted to  pervert and corrupt all of our elections, going all the way back to their pressuring Truman to pre-maturely recognize Israel in the first place.  Russia has nothing like the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists. A real Fifth Column if there ever were one.Fab.
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>> Francis A. Boyle
>> Law Building
>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
>> Champaign IL 61820 USA
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace
>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:06 AM
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>> Subject: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China
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>> Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…”
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>> The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China.
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>> John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire."
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>> It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or  foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony.
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>> Some things don’t change.
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>> —CGE
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