[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Tomorrow I'll ask Carol Ammons to oppose the Saudi arms deal

Thu Jun 8 15:37:05 UTC 2017

Anyone here know folks in Delaware? Democratic Senator Coons is a problem.
Could you ask your friends in Delaware to call?

It's plausible that we could win the Senate vote today. The path to victory
looks like: all or almost all Dems plus 4-6 Republicans. All Dems plus
Paul, Lee, Young, Heller would equal 52. Cardin came out on our side
yesterday. Reed came out on our side today. Coons is holding out.

Please send this info to your friends in Delaware:

*1-855-68-NO-WAR*

https://www.fcnl.org/updates/today-call-your-senators-block-bombs-to-saudi-arabia-849

Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1

Sign the petition: Congress: Vote NO on Trump's Saudi Arms Deal
https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/congress-vote-no-on-trumps?r_by=1135580

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 10:29 AM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Her disingenuous excuses on SB1761.
>
> I’d be glad to hear her pledge that she would vote against the military
> budget and for the withdrawal of US troops from the Mideast.
>
> But I don’t expect to.
>
> Regards, CGE
>
>
> > On Jun 8, 2017, at 6:57 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > Your " proof " that Carol " won't do that " ???
> >
> > David J.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: C G Estabrook [mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 8:37 AM
> > To: David Johnson
> > Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > Subject: Re: [Peace] Tomorrow I'll ask Carol Ammons to oppose the Saudi
> arms deal
> >
> > Let’s be clear what SB 1761 did, two years ago. The bill, actively
> promoted by the government of Israel, directed that Illinois' funds (like
> university pension funds) be removed from companies that observed the
> boycott of business conducted in the territories illegally occupied by
> Israel!
> >
> > Carol’s excuse when she spoke to AWARE about her (non)-vote was that no
> one opposed had contacted her about it. But she refused to say she would
> have voted against it, had anyone done so.
> >
> > That ‘everyone else was doing it’ (“only two State reps…”) is not much
> of an excuse.
> >
> > I want to vote for a Congressional representative who will vote against
> the military budget (as former Rep. Johnson eventually did) and for the
> withdrawal of US troops from the Mideast.
> >
> > Carol won’t do that. David Gill, who’s also running for the seat (13th
> IL CD) held by Rodney Davis, might.
> >
> > —CGE
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 6, 2017, at 7:10 AM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well Carl,
> >>
> >> AGAIN, she was one of only two State Reps who resisted pressure from
> Madigan and the Israeli consulate to vote for it. For that she deserves
> credit.
> >>
> >> IF the vote had been close and she abstained and by doing so caused the
> bill to pass, THEN she would be deserving of criticism.
> >>
> >> Would it had been better if she had been the only State Rep to vote no
> ?  Yes, of course. But considering the vote was a short notice vote and we
> as her constituents did not have enough time to educate her ion this bill
> and demand that she vote against it, then again what she did by abstaining
> is not reason to villianize and condemn her.
> >>
> >> In response to your question about rather or not she often opposes the
> Democratic party leadership, the answer is yes !
> >>
> >> First she refused to vote for the BDS bill mentioned above, she also co
> sponsored the Illinois single payer bill weeks after entering the General
> Assembly, she sponsored and was able to pass both an anti-wage theft bill
> and a bill stopping telephone gouging of prison inmates. She also has
> co-sponsored early on a bill to increase the Illinois minimum wage to $
> 15.00 per hour, several years before it had enough votes to pass recently.
> >>
> >> So looking at the big picture here Carl, Carol has done pretty damn
> good since she was elected in 2014. Could she be better by being more
> aggressive and bold, ? Of course, but that is up to us to educate her and
> advocate for certain things we want to see done.
> >> If she had not been elected in 2014, her opponent Sam Rosenberg would
> have not done any of the above mentioned, nor would Naomi Jacobsen if she
> had not resigned.
> >>
> >> David J.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu]
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 8:16 PM
> >> To: David Johnson
> >> Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] Tomorrow I'll ask Carol Ammons to oppose the
> >> Saudi arms deal
> >>
> >> She didn’t vote against it, as she would have, had the subject been
> South African apartheid.
> >>
> >> Has she often differed with the Democratic leadership?
> >>
> >> —CGE
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 8:06 PM, David Johnson <
> davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Carol was one of only two State Reps who abstained from voting for the
> anti BDS bill, despite aggressive coercion from Madigan and lobbyists from
> the Israeli consulate for all State Reps and Senators to vote for it.
> >>>
> >>> David J.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of
> >>> Carl G. Estabrook via Peace
> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 6:18 PM
> >>> To: Robert Naiman
> >>> Cc: peace
> >>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Tomorrow I'll ask Carol Ammons to oppose the
> >>> Saudi arms deal
> >>>
> >>> She was unwilling to oppose Illinois’ support for Israeli apartheid.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Tomorrow afternoon this event is happening in Champaign:
> >>>>
> >>>> IL - 13 Listening Session: Champaign-Urbana Public · Hosted by Carol
> >>>> Ammons https://www.facebook.com/events/1855909114660297/
> >>>>
> >>>> Yesterday I asked Rodney Davis to oppose Trump's Saudi arms deal. I
> presented the IL-13 signers on our petition, and asked him to cosponsor the
> bipartisan Amash-Pocan resolution against the Saudi arms deal. Rodney Davis
> said he would speak with Amash and the other Republican sponsors and get
> back to me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now Carol is asking: "What do you want your Representative in
> Congress to do?" I figure that's an easy question for me to answer. I want
> my Representative in Congress to oppose the Saudi arms deal.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, I figure, why not take Carol the same petition I took Rodney, and
> make the same ask?
> >>>>
> >>>> I figure: if Carol opposes the Saudi arms deal and challenges Rodney
> to do the same, it's win-win. Either Rodney agrees, in which case I win, or
> Rodney doesn't agree, in which case it's a public issue and the
> News-Gazette has to report on it and Rodney gets in trouble, in which case
> I also win.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is it plausible that Rodney, feeling a little heat, would agree to
> co-sponsor the Amash resolution?
> >>>>
> >>>> Last September, then-Illinois Senator Mark Kirk was one of only four
> Senate Republicans to vote against the Saudi tank deal. The other 23 no
> votes were Democrats. Mark Kirk had not previously been known as a critic
> of Saudi Arabia or its "particularly aggressive" war in Yemen, as the
> Vatican puts it.
> >>>>
> >>>> What made Mark Kirk flip? Tammy Duckworth was breathing down his
> neck, putting out a press release every time he didn't say "excuse me"
> after burping.
> >>>>
> >>>> Could we do that to Rodney Davis? Could we flip him with some
> pressure? If not, why not?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll print out the petitions again around noon tomorrow. So there's
> still time to sign.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sign the petition: Congress: Vote NO on Trump's Saudi Arms Deal
> >>>> https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/congress-vote-no-on-trumps?r_by=11
> >>>> 3
> >>>> 5580
> >>>>
> >>>> ===
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert Naiman
> >>>> Policy Director
> >>>> Just Foreign Policy
> >>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> >>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> >>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
> >>>>
> >>>>
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