[Peace-discuss] Adam Kinzinger, R, IL-16

Wed Jun 28 04:25:22 UTC 2017

Ron Paul: Seymour Hersh Reporting Trump Knew Latest Syria Chemical Attack Was False Flag; Bombed Assad Anyway; "A Shame"

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Former Congressman Ron Paul discusses a new Seymour Hersh article <https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article165905578/Trump-s-Red-Line.html> out this week showing that the US knew Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was not responsible for the chemical attack in April, but President Trump decided to bomb anyway. Paul also singles out Rep. Adam Kinzinger for being a hawk who is "determined to stir up super-antagonism towards Russia" and criticizes Trump for allowing himself to be influenced.
RON PAUL: Somebody did a special interview this week <http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/26/rep-adam-kinzinger-the-full-transcript-215301>, and he's getting to be well-known, someone who is not 40 years old yet... Rep. Adam Kinzinger from Illinois. He is determined to stir up super-antagonism towards Russia. And he can not stand the fact that there might be a softer aproach, and he doesn't like Trump

We're not Trump champions, but [Kinzinger opposes Trump] for this reason: He's not hawkish enough!

He did point out that Trump's positions [on foreign policy] are actually not that bad. When he sends 59 Tomahawk [missiles] into Syria, and sorts of things like that. [Kinzinger] likes that. 

Of course, there is this issue of gas - whether it was actually gas released in April, and we've had some people looking into this. And this is ongoing, but there may be signs that the monolith against Russia and Assad --symbolized by 97-2 vote [in the Senate] could be starting to crack...

He really doesn't like Putin because 'he's killing his own people.' Well, I don't know exactly what he's referring to. I know Putin is no angel, but when you think of how many people our foreign policy kills, we talk about that so often... This is just such hypocrisy, but it is mainly to promote a hawkish policy, back to 'Assad has to go.'

To me, it is amazing how the liberal Democrats, who are supposed to be anti-war like they were in the 1960s, they are now, it looks like, maybe more hawkish than the Republicans... 

It is amazing, [Hersh] had an article over the weekend, and everyone is talking about it today. It is a blockbuster article, it absolutely damages Trump completely, but it also damages the pro-war narrative. Nobody in the Washington Post or New York Times -- here is a blockbuster from a Pullitzer Prize-winning reporter and he had to go to Germany to get it published. Nobody in the U.S. will touch it. 

The article essentially says based on his intelligence contacts that the U.S. knew --President Trump knew-- this was not a chemical attack in April, and he fired the Tomahawks anyway, and it is a blockbuster. And think about it. Nobody wants to touch it. An article like that!

Isn't strange how Trump is so back-and-forth [on foreign affairs]. I think that is the worst position to be... But Trump is criticized mostly by the Kinzingers and the others in the Senate for being too soft on Russia. But then he comes, and he is too aggressive from our view point. He is dropping bombs willy nilly, and it scares us that he will fdo that, he will be influenced by that. 

And now what we're seeing is, it wasn't ignorance, there was material out there.

So it sort of reminds me of what was available to us that we could find before the Iraq War. It was there by reputable people, but it is lost in politics. It is a shame...

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:14 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> Adam Kinzinger
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> Adam Kinzinger
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> Assumed office
> January 3, 2013
> Preceded by	Don Manzullo <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Don-5FManzullo&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=Y5Y1qBH2mTIIk0EhRHX42FEjxjWwnxtdZclHhQf2zsA&s=Sg1JGUeUEgjOfViaicODcGkmT_zlgkwU9UfwfzOjj8I&e=>
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> In office
> January 3, 2011 – January 3, 2013
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> Succeeded by	Bill Foster <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Bill-5FFoster-5F-28politician-29&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=Y5Y1qBH2mTIIk0EhRHX42FEjxjWwnxtdZclHhQf2zsA&s=X1vtezOQF41-8JPyCPVHQoX_larWGl73dbwnIc6st0k&e=>
> Personal details
> Born	Adam Daniel Kinzinger
> February 27, 1978 (age 39)
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> Years of service	2003–present
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> Adam Daniel Kinzinger[1] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Adam-5FKinzinger-23cite-5Fnote-2D1&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=Y5Y1qBH2mTIIk0EhRHX42FEjxjWwnxtdZclHhQf2zsA&s=81DUNG6oHRzW7fLXz5SZOT-VwMfV7R682QokIO_sNwc&e=> /ˈkɪnzɪŋər/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Help-3AIPA-5Ffor-5FEnglish&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=Y5Y1qBH2mTIIk0EhRHX42FEjxjWwnxtdZclHhQf2zsA&s=qNJlkEqGVobS9jJGZkRz1eXx3YyFXQeuvRUpmWzEaAY&e=> (born February 27, 1978)[2] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Adam-5FKinzinger-23cite-5Fnote-2D2&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=Y5Y1qBH2mTIIk0EhRHX42FEjxjWwnxtdZclHhQf2zsA&s=-7ulsBpnBq0aGud0cXBFXT-CCLtvRFcwKyuflMug_jw&e=> is the U.S. Representative <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_United-5FStates-5FHouse-5Fof-5FRepresentatives&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=Y5Y1qBH2mTIIk0EhRHX42FEjxjWwnxtdZclHhQf2zsA&s=hZYE9KsaayxiWWIFSfT7W7QM8zd80XWQ8OR0PBdZUis&e=> for Illinois's 16th congressional district <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Illinois-2527s-5F16th-5Fcongressional-5Fdistrict&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=Y5Y1qBH2mTIIk0EhRHX42FEjxjWwnxtdZclHhQf2zsA&s=JE_6vfYbVD8G2h3mxhYj4fv8sIaGubVeq57XQegdaPg&e=>. He is a member of the Republican Party <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Republican-5FParty-5F-28United-5FStates-29&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=Y5Y1qBH2mTIIk0EhRHX42FEjxjWwnxtdZclHhQf2zsA&s=5WpUyfzNHqeCCyd8f7qG6fzqOhFIzwuADQre2aj-ZJs&e=>. He was first elected to Congress in 2010, winning election to represent Illinois's 11th congressional district <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Illinois-2527s-5F11th-5Fcongressional-5Fdistrict&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=Y5Y1qBH2mTIIk0EhRHX42FEjxjWwnxtdZclHhQf2zsA&s=E6Wxh6X0QYFqkAgODuqxJwqWscstcYUR3wpm6smsBww&e=>. After redistricting, he was re-elected to Congress in both 2012 and 2014 to represent Illinois's 16th congressional district <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Illinois-2527s-5F16th-5Fcongressional-5Fdistrict&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=Y5Y1qBH2mTIIk0EhRHX42FEjxjWwnxtdZclHhQf2zsA&s=JE_6vfYbVD8G2h3mxhYj4fv8sIaGubVeq57XQegdaPg&e=>.
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