From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon May 1 11:54:28 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:54:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Emailing: Killing Kids at Yale Law School Countercurrents.htm Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 6:50 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Emailing: Killing Kids at Yale Law School Countercurrents.htm · Annual Subscription · News Letter · Fair Use Notice · Disclaimer · Submission Policy · Contact Us · About Us Social Icons · · · · · [Countercurrents] · Home · World o Palestine o Imperialism o South Asia · India o Communal Harmony o Annihilate Caste o Kashmir · Climate Change o Environmental Protection o Resource Crisis o Counter Solutions o Alternative Energy · Globalisation · Patriarchy · Human Rights · Life/Philosophy o Arts/Literature o Book Review There are no breaking news at the moment Killing Kids at Yale Law School in Arts/Literature — by Professor Francis A Boyle — May 1, 2017 [drones] Early January 1977 Just out of Harvard Law Looking for a job Landing at Yale Law 26 years old 2 hour faculty presentation In faculty lounge To my right Dean Harry Wellington Arrayed left and right Across the room Yale Law Faculty all Most distinguished crowd Sitting in the back Directly opposite Clear line of sight Glaring right at me Gene Rostow Ex Yale Law Dean Of the infamous Rostow brothers Who gave us Vietnam War criminal of the first rank 3 million exterminated Vietnamese Murdered 58,000 men of my generation Hey! Hey! LBJ! How many kids! Did you kill today! Went through my mind Gene was there to make sure I was never hired Had checked me out With his Harvard Law buddies Where my views were well known On everything Including Vietnam Especially the Palestinians For one hour Gene and I battled back and forth Blow for blow Shot for shot I stood my ground And matched him Rostow was just a bully Having grown up On the Irish Southside of Chicago I know how to deal with bullies Then Gene made a fatal mistake A wan smile came across my face I got you now! You sunova-bitch! You spent the last hour Trying to beat me up But now I have you Exactly where I want you I am going to destroy you! And I did! Made a complete, total and absolute fool Out of Gene In front of the entire Yale Law Faculty Many of whom he had hired Gene’s Kids Gene’s face turned beet red I stunned him into silence for the next hour! It was so bad Leon Lipson Broke out laughing In the Back of the Faculty Lounge Priceless! A little payback for Vietnam! Well worth the job Hey! Hey! Rostow say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Fasting forward to today Ex Yale Law Dean Harold Killer Koh Rejoins the Faculty After serving a stint As Obama’s War Consigliere Droner-in-Chief For the Harvard Law Commander-in-Chief Justifying Obama’s war crimes, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity Drones, murders, assassinations Violations of the Constitution Exterminating 50,000 Libyans With the bat of his eye Hey! Hey! Harold say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Killer Koh Is a worthy successor To Gene Rostow Yale Law’s Resident Dean War Criminals Hey! Hey! Yale Law Say! How many kids! Did you kill today! John Yoo too! Killer Koh’s pooh! 9. Diss-Ode to Harold Killer Koh Harold Killer Koh Killing Babies where he go Muslim life is cheap you see Jewish life too for the Nazi Carl Schmitt Professor of Law At the Yale Law School Boot-licking Gene Rostow Of the infamous Rostow Brothers Who gave us Vietnam Genociding “gooks” too Obama’s War Consigliere Gene and his “kids” for LBJ Some things never change for Dems And their Elite Law School Whores Today At Harvard Law School too Where Killers Obama and Koh First dropped their pooh Along with “Judge” Davey Barron too Obama’s Droner-in-Chief Destined for a Cell in The Hague Right next to his student John Yoo A Chip off of Harold’s Old Block Cold-blooded Killers and War Criminals too Killer Koh disteaching “human rights” at N.Y.U. Supported by his gang of Dem law prof thugs Beating up on the N.Y.U. law students few With the courage, integrity, and principles to say Never again! Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include “ Palestine, Palestinians and International Law” (2003), and “ The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law” (2010). 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 6:50 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Emailing: Killing Kids at Yale Law School Countercurrents.htm · Annual Subscription · News Letter · Fair Use Notice · Disclaimer · Submission Policy · Contact Us · About Us Social Icons · · · · · [Countercurrents] · Home · World o Palestine o Imperialism o South Asia · India o Communal Harmony o Annihilate Caste o Kashmir · Climate Change o Environmental Protection o Resource Crisis o Counter Solutions o Alternative Energy · Globalisation · Patriarchy · Human Rights · Life/Philosophy o Arts/Literature o Book Review There are no breaking news at the moment Killing Kids at Yale Law School in Arts/Literature — by Professor Francis A Boyle — May 1, 2017 [drones] Early January 1977 Just out of Harvard Law Looking for a job Landing at Yale Law 26 years old 2 hour faculty presentation In faculty lounge To my right Dean Harry Wellington Arrayed left and right Across the room Yale Law Faculty all Most distinguished crowd Sitting in the back Directly opposite Clear line of sight Glaring right at me Gene Rostow Ex Yale Law Dean Of the infamous Rostow brothers Who gave us Vietnam War criminal of the first rank 3 million exterminated Vietnamese Murdered 58,000 men of my generation Hey! Hey! LBJ! How many kids! Did you kill today! Went through my mind Gene was there to make sure I was never hired Had checked me out With his Harvard Law buddies Where my views were well known On everything Including Vietnam Especially the Palestinians For one hour Gene and I battled back and forth Blow for blow Shot for shot I stood my ground And matched him Rostow was just a bully Having grown up On the Irish Southside of Chicago I know how to deal with bullies Then Gene made a fatal mistake A wan smile came across my face I got you now! You sunova-bitch! You spent the last hour Trying to beat me up But now I have you Exactly where I want you I am going to destroy you! And I did! Made a complete, total and absolute fool Out of Gene In front of the entire Yale Law Faculty Many of whom he had hired Gene’s Kids Gene’s face turned beet red I stunned him into silence for the next hour! It was so bad Leon Lipson Broke out laughing In the Back of the Faculty Lounge Priceless! A little payback for Vietnam! Well worth the job Hey! Hey! Rostow say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Fasting forward to today Ex Yale Law Dean Harold Killer Koh Rejoins the Faculty After serving a stint As Obama’s War Consigliere Droner-in-Chief For the Harvard Law Commander-in-Chief Justifying Obama’s war crimes, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity Drones, murders, assassinations Violations of the Constitution Exterminating 50,000 Libyans With the bat of his eye Hey! Hey! Harold say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Killer Koh Is a worthy successor To Gene Rostow Yale Law’s Resident Dean War Criminals Hey! Hey! Yale Law Say! How many kids! Did you kill today! John Yoo too! Killer Koh’s pooh! 9. Diss-Ode to Harold Killer Koh Harold Killer Koh Killing Babies where he go Muslim life is cheap you see Jewish life too for the Nazi Carl Schmitt Professor of Law At the Yale Law School Boot-licking Gene Rostow Of the infamous Rostow Brothers Who gave us Vietnam Genociding “gooks” too Obama’s War Consigliere Gene and his “kids” for LBJ Some things never change for Dems And their Elite Law School Whores Today At Harvard Law School too Where Killers Obama and Koh First dropped their pooh Along with “Judge” Davey Barron too Obama’s Droner-in-Chief Destined for a Cell in The Hague Right next to his student John Yoo A Chip off of Harold’s Old Block Cold-blooded Killers and War Criminals too Killer Koh disteaching “human rights” at N.Y.U. Supported by his gang of Dem law prof thugs Beating up on the N.Y.U. law students few With the courage, integrity, and principles to say Never again! Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include “ Palestine, Palestinians and International Law” (2003), and “ The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law” (2010). 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue May 2 10:14:39 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 10:14:39 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: AALS & Killing Kids at Yale Law School Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 5:11 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: AALS & Killing Kids at Yale Law School And who can ever forget that the Association of American Law Schools invited Killer Koh to give their Keynote Convention Address on how to Murder Muslims at the aimpoint of a drone. Hey! Hey! AALS Say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 1:14 PM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - RE: Emailing: Killing Kids at Yale Law School Countercurrents.htm I like the Graphic. I propose that all you Yalies out there work to have a Cruise Missile added to the YLS Crest. Meanwhile, I am going to work to have a Kangaroo added to the Harvard Law Crest. And I am also going to work to have a swastika added to the University of Chicago Crest. Truth in Advertizing! Fab AB, Chicago, 1971 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 6:50 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Emailing: Killing Kids at Yale Law School Countercurrents.htm * Annual Subscription * News Letter * Fair Use Notice * Disclaimer * Submission Policy * Contact Us * About Us Social Icons * * * * * [Countercurrents] * Home * World o Palestine o Imperialism o South Asia * India o Communal Harmony o Annihilate Caste o Kashmir * Climate Change o Environmental Protection o Resource Crisis o Counter Solutions o Alternative Energy * Globalisation * Patriarchy * Human Rights * Life/Philosophy o Arts/Literature o Book Review There are no breaking news at the moment Killing Kids at Yale Law School in Arts/Literature — by Professor Francis A Boyle — May 1, 2017 [drones] Early January 1977 Just out of Harvard Law Looking for a job Landing at Yale Law 26 years old 2 hour faculty presentation In faculty lounge To my right Dean Harry Wellington Arrayed left and right Across the room Yale Law Faculty all Most distinguished crowd Sitting in the back Directly opposite Clear line of sight Glaring right at me Gene Rostow Ex Yale Law Dean Of the infamous Rostow brothers Who gave us Vietnam War criminal of the first rank 3 million exterminated Vietnamese Murdered 58,000 men of my generation Hey! Hey! LBJ! How many kids! Did you kill today! Went through my mind Gene was there to make sure I was never hired Had checked me out With his Harvard Law buddies Where my views were well known On everything Including Vietnam Especially the Palestinians For one hour Gene and I battled back and forth Blow for blow Shot for shot I stood my ground And matched him Rostow was just a bully Having grown up On the Irish Southside of Chicago I know how to deal with bullies Then Gene made a fatal mistake A wan smile came across my face I got you now! You sunova-bitch! You spent the last hour Trying to beat me up But now I have you Exactly where I want you I am going to destroy you! And I did! Made a complete, total and absolute fool Out of Gene In front of the entire Yale Law Faculty Many of whom he had hired Gene’s Kids Gene’s face turned beet red I stunned him into silence for the next hour! It was so bad Leon Lipson Broke out laughing In the Back of the Faculty Lounge Priceless! A little payback for Vietnam! Well worth the job Hey! Hey! Rostow say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Fasting forward to today Ex Yale Law Dean Harold Killer Koh Rejoins the Faculty After serving a stint As Obama’s War Consigliere Droner-in-Chief For the Harvard Law Commander-in-Chief Justifying Obama’s war crimes, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity Drones, murders, assassinations Violations of the Constitution Exterminating 50,000 Libyans With the bat of his eye Hey! Hey! Harold say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Killer Koh Is a worthy successor To Gene Rostow Yale Law’s Resident Dean War Criminals Hey! Hey! Yale Law Say! How many kids! Did you kill today! John Yoo too! Killer Koh’s pooh! 9. Diss-Ode to Harold Killer Koh Harold Killer Koh Killing Babies where he go Muslim life is cheap you see Jewish life too for the Nazi Carl Schmitt Professor of Law At the Yale Law School Boot-licking Gene Rostow Of the infamous Rostow Brothers Who gave us Vietnam Genociding “gooks” too Obama’s War Consigliere Gene and his “kids” for LBJ Some things never change for Dems And their Elite Law School Whores Today At Harvard Law School too Where Killers Obama and Koh First dropped their pooh Along with “Judge” Davey Barron too Obama’s Droner-in-Chief Destined for a Cell in The Hague Right next to his student John Yoo A Chip off of Harold’s Old Block Cold-blooded Killers and War Criminals too Killer Koh disteaching “human rights” at N.Y.U. Supported by his gang of Dem law prof thugs Beating up on the N.Y.U. law students few With the courage, integrity, and principles to say Never again! Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include “ Palestine, Palestinians and International Law” (2003), and “ The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law” (2010). 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue May 2 11:45:41 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 11:45:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AALS & Killing Kids at Yale Law School Message-ID: I don’t know what this shows you. But it tells me that the American Legal Academy has become rotten, corrupt, despicable, sick and demented. Just a Gang of Die-Hard Bigots, Racists and Warmongers against Muslims of Color. The German Legal Academy was like this against the Jews during the Nazi era. fab Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 5:15 AM To: 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; Estabrook, Carl G ; 'Karen Aram' Subject: FW: AALS & Killing Kids at Yale Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 5:11 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: AALS & Killing Kids at Yale Law School And who can ever forget that the Association of American Law Schools invited Killer Koh to give their Keynote Convention Address on how to Murder Muslims at the aimpoint of a drone. Hey! Hey! AALS Say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 1:14 PM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - RE: Emailing: Killing Kids at Yale Law School Countercurrents.htm I like the Graphic. I propose that all you Yalies out there work to have a Cruise Missile added to the YLS Crest. Meanwhile, I am going to work to have a Kangaroo added to the Harvard Law Crest. And I am also going to work to have a swastika added to the University of Chicago Crest. Truth in Advertizing! Fab AB, Chicago, 1971 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 6:50 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Emailing: Killing Kids at Yale Law School Countercurrents.htm * Annual Subscription * News Letter * Fair Use Notice * Disclaimer * Submission Policy * Contact Us * About Us Social Icons * * * * * [Countercurrents] * Home * World o Palestine o Imperialism o South Asia * India o Communal Harmony o Annihilate Caste o Kashmir * Climate Change o Environmental Protection o Resource Crisis o Counter Solutions o Alternative Energy * Globalisation * Patriarchy * Human Rights * Life/Philosophy o Arts/Literature o Book Review There are no breaking news at the moment Killing Kids at Yale Law School in Arts/Literature — by Professor Francis A Boyle — May 1, 2017 [drones] Early January 1977 Just out of Harvard Law Looking for a job Landing at Yale Law 26 years old 2 hour faculty presentation In faculty lounge To my right Dean Harry Wellington Arrayed left and right Across the room Yale Law Faculty all Most distinguished crowd Sitting in the back Directly opposite Clear line of sight Glaring right at me Gene Rostow Ex Yale Law Dean Of the infamous Rostow brothers Who gave us Vietnam War criminal of the first rank 3 million exterminated Vietnamese Murdered 58,000 men of my generation Hey! Hey! LBJ! How many kids! Did you kill today! Went through my mind Gene was there to make sure I was never hired Had checked me out With his Harvard Law buddies Where my views were well known On everything Including Vietnam Especially the Palestinians For one hour Gene and I battled back and forth Blow for blow Shot for shot I stood my ground And matched him Rostow was just a bully Having grown up On the Irish Southside of Chicago I know how to deal with bullies Then Gene made a fatal mistake A wan smile came across my face I got you now! You sunova-bitch! You spent the last hour Trying to beat me up But now I have you Exactly where I want you I am going to destroy you! And I did! Made a complete, total and absolute fool Out of Gene In front of the entire Yale Law Faculty Many of whom he had hired Gene’s Kids Gene’s face turned beet red I stunned him into silence for the next hour! It was so bad Leon Lipson Broke out laughing In the Back of the Faculty Lounge Priceless! A little payback for Vietnam! Well worth the job Hey! Hey! Rostow say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Fasting forward to today Ex Yale Law Dean Harold Killer Koh Rejoins the Faculty After serving a stint As Obama’s War Consigliere Droner-in-Chief For the Harvard Law Commander-in-Chief Justifying Obama’s war crimes, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity Drones, murders, assassinations Violations of the Constitution Exterminating 50,000 Libyans With the bat of his eye Hey! Hey! Harold say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Killer Koh Is a worthy successor To Gene Rostow Yale Law’s Resident Dean War Criminals Hey! Hey! Yale Law Say! How many kids! Did you kill today! John Yoo too! Killer Koh’s pooh! 9. Diss-Ode to Harold Killer Koh Harold Killer Koh Killing Babies where he go Muslim life is cheap you see Jewish life too for the Nazi Carl Schmitt Professor of Law At the Yale Law School Boot-licking Gene Rostow Of the infamous Rostow Brothers Who gave us Vietnam Genociding “gooks” too Obama’s War Consigliere Gene and his “kids” for LBJ Some things never change for Dems And their Elite Law School Whores Today At Harvard Law School too Where Killers Obama and Koh First dropped their pooh Along with “Judge” Davey Barron too Obama’s Droner-in-Chief Destined for a Cell in The Hague Right next to his student John Yoo A Chip off of Harold’s Old Block Cold-blooded Killers and War Criminals too Killer Koh disteaching “human rights” at N.Y.U. Supported by his gang of Dem law prof thugs Beating up on the N.Y.U. law students few With the courage, integrity, and principles to say Never again! Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include “ Palestine, Palestinians and International Law” (2003), and “ The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law” (2010). 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Email check failed, please try again Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. ________________________________ Site Links: View post online View mailing list online Start new thread via email Unsubscribe from this mailing list Manage your subscription This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue May 2 12:30:30 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 07:30:30 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Distribute anti-war flyers at the Art Theatre In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B458EA2-7234-41E5-8F25-1062E0C03A8A@illinois.edu> If AWARE wants to leaflet the film about Egypt at the art Theatre tonight, here’s a recent article that could be handed out: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding-ground-for-terrorism/ And I’ll append a flyer AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban.’ Regards, Carl > On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > >> This is a message from Niloofar, if anyone has a copy of the flyers we have currently she would like to see one. For future she suggests: >> Speak up for the humanity and against the Muslim and refugee bans and military escalation >> >> I think the message of speaking out against Muslim & refugee bans and warmongering should be accompanied by action recommendations. You can decide which is better: >> >> 1. The message be the same for all three flyers: fear and hatred against Muslims have brought out the worst in some people and we need to counter the propaganda. These misplaced sentiments have diverted the attention from real domestic problems and have allowed the elite to assert their dominance through use of direct and indirect military force. >> >> The result? Death, destruction, chaos, famine, refugee crisis, and hopelessness in the region and diversion of resources away from economic development and the essential needs of the American people to build up of the already bloated military machine. >> >> Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >> >> >> Or specifically written in the context of each film: >> >> 2. Egypt: Against the U.S. laws, military aid has been flowing to the post-coup Egypt,...[background: propping up the military since 1970's have helped the continuation of authoritarian rule and prevented the formation of political parties and civil society to carry the revolution to its fruition]. >> >> Targeting Iran (the only stable country in the region with a limited democracy) as the main supporter of terrorism is catering to the pressures of regional allies (Israel and Saudi Arabia) is against the long-term interests of the U.S. >> >> The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan have been disastrous for the people and has forced many to seek refuge in neighboring countries (shown in the Iranian film) and try mostly unsuccessfully to get to the West. [The wrong-headed U.S. policy toward Afghanistan in 1980's inadvertently helped Taliban to take over and al Qaeda to create terrorist cells…] >> >> Yemen's dictatorship, supported by the U.S., was finally overthrown by the people's peaceful demonstrations (shown in the film) but the power struggle between two tribal factions led to temporary and cynical alliances and allowed Saudi Arabia to invade and bomb the country with the acquiescence of the U.S. The situation is getting worse by day and has led to a famine that can be eradicated by the intervention of the U.S. >> >> >> *Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: >> Dear Anti-war demonstrators et al >> >> Niloofar has suggested distributing flyers at the Art Theatre for their showing of films related to Iran, Yemen, and one other Middle Eastern nation, she has more information related to the films. >> >> They are showing on May 2nd., May 9th, and May 16th. at 7:00pm. >> >> I think we should assist her in this endeavor. We can discuss at our meeting flyers that maybe utilized. For this Tuesday’s film we could use the current flyers on hand, those that I recently returned to Carl and Stuart. >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: flyer-201702.rtfd.zip Type: application/zip Size: 3578 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cge at shout.net Tue May 2 12:44:53 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 07:44:53 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump the authoritarian? In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> Message-ID: <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> The malign and self-serving fantasy of the US political establishment - who produced Obama-Clinton and killed thousands, in war around the world: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/02/donald-trump-authoritarian-look-actions-not-words From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 2 14:11:42 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 14:11:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Distribute anti-war flyers at the Art Theatre In-Reply-To: <6B458EA2-7234-41E5-8F25-1062E0C03A8A@illinois.edu> References: <6B458EA2-7234-41E5-8F25-1062E0C03A8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: The article in Counterpunch is perfect for “Egypt” Harsh and true. On May 2, 2017, at 05:30, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: If AWARE wants to leaflet the film about Egypt at the art Theatre tonight, here’s a recent article that could be handed out: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding-ground-for-terrorism/ And I’ll append a flyer AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban.’ Regards, Carl On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: This is a message from Niloofar, if anyone has a copy of the flyers we have currently she would like to see one. For future she suggests: Speak up for the humanity and against the Muslim and refugee bans and military escalation I think the message of speaking out against Muslim & refugee bans and warmongering should be accompanied by action recommendations. You can decide which is better: 1. The message be the same for all three flyers: fear and hatred against Muslims have brought out the worst in some people and we need to counter the propaganda. These misplaced sentiments have diverted the attention from real domestic problems and have allowed the elite to assert their dominance through use of direct and indirect military force. The result? Death, destruction, chaos, famine, refugee crisis, and hopelessness in the region and diversion of resources away from economic development and the essential needs of the American people to build up of the already bloated military machine. Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." Or specifically written in the context of each film: 2. Egypt: Against the U.S. laws, military aid has been flowing to the post-coup Egypt,...[background: propping up the military since 1970's have helped the continuation of authoritarian rule and prevented the formation of political parties and civil society to carry the revolution to its fruition]. Targeting Iran (the only stable country in the region with a limited democracy) as the main supporter of terrorism is catering to the pressures of regional allies (Israel and Saudi Arabia) is against the long-term interests of the U.S. The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan have been disastrous for the people and has forced many to seek refuge in neighboring countries (shown in the Iranian film) and try mostly unsuccessfully to get to the West. [The wrong-headed U.S. policy toward Afghanistan in 1980's inadvertently helped Taliban to take over and al Qaeda to create terrorist cells…] Yemen's dictatorship, supported by the U.S., was finally overthrown by the people's peaceful demonstrations (shown in the film) but the power struggle between two tribal factions led to temporary and cynical alliances and allowed Saudi Arabia to invade and bomb the country with the acquiescence of the U.S. The situation is getting worse by day and has led to a famine that can be eradicated by the intervention of the U.S. *Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: Dear Anti-war demonstrators et al Niloofar has suggested distributing flyers at the Art Theatre for their showing of films related to Iran, Yemen, and one other Middle Eastern nation, she has more information related to the films. They are showing on May 2nd., May 9th, and May 16th. at 7:00pm. I think we should assist her in this endeavor. We can discuss at our meeting flyers that maybe utilized. For this Tuesday’s film we could use the current flyers on hand, those that I recently returned to Carl and Stuart. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue May 2 14:12:13 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 09:12:13 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Distribute anti-war flyers at the Art Theatre In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FBA3F4B-14FD-4FE2-A157-25ED174D6079@illinois.edu> Austin McCann, General Manager of the Art Theatre > says that AWARE is welcome to distribute flyers at the showing of the film about Egypt tonight - in the foyer, or perhaps putting the flyers on a table. Regards, Carl PS - in addition to Niloofar’s flyer, here’s a recent article that could be handed out: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding-ground-for-terrorism/ And I’ll append a flyer that AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban.’ > On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > >> This is a message from Niloofar, if anyone has a copy of the flyers we have currently she would like to see one. For future she suggests: >> Speak up for the humanity and against the Muslim and refugee bans and military escalation >> >> I think the message of speaking out against Muslim & refugee bans and warmongering should be accompanied by action recommendations. You can decide which is better: >> >> 1. The message be the same for all three flyers: fear and hatred against Muslims have brought out the worst in some people and we need to counter the propaganda. These misplaced sentiments have diverted the attention from real domestic problems and have allowed the elite to assert their dominance through use of direct and indirect military force. >> >> The result? Death, destruction, chaos, famine, refugee crisis, and hopelessness in the region and diversion of resources away from economic development and the essential needs of the American people to build up of the already bloated military machine. >> >> Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >> >> >> Or specifically written in the context of each film: >> >> 2. Egypt: Against the U.S. laws, military aid has been flowing to the post-coup Egypt,...[background: propping up the military since 1970's have helped the continuation of authoritarian rule and prevented the formation of political parties and civil society to carry the revolution to its fruition]. >> >> Targeting Iran (the only stable country in the region with a limited democracy) as the main supporter of terrorism is catering to the pressures of regional allies (Israel and Saudi Arabia) is against the long-term interests of the U.S. >> >> The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan have been disastrous for the people and has forced many to seek refuge in neighboring countries (shown in the Iranian film) and try mostly unsuccessfully to get to the West. [The wrong-headed U.S. policy toward Afghanistan in 1980's inadvertently helped Taliban to take over and al Qaeda to create terrorist cells…] >> >> Yemen's dictatorship, supported by the U.S., was finally overthrown by the people's peaceful demonstrations (shown in the film) but the power struggle between two tribal factions led to temporary and cynical alliances and allowed Saudi Arabia to invade and bomb the country with the acquiescence of the U.S. The situation is getting worse by day and has led to a famine that can be eradicated by the intervention of the U.S. >> >> >> *Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: >> Dear Anti-war demonstrators et al >> >> Niloofar has suggested distributing flyers at the Art Theatre for their showing of films related to Iran, Yemen, and one other Middle Eastern nation, she has more information related to the films. >> >> They are showing on May 2nd., May 9th, and May 16th. at 7:00pm. >> >> I think we should assist her in this endeavor. We can discuss at our meeting flyers that maybe utilized. For this Tuesday’s film we could use the current flyers on hand, those that I recently returned to Carl and Stuart. >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: flyer-201702.rtfd.zip Type: application/zip Size: 3578 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue May 2 14:20:26 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 09:20:26 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Distribute anti-war flyers at the Art Theatre/AWARE's February flyer In-Reply-To: References: <6B458EA2-7234-41E5-8F25-1062E0C03A8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: NO MUSLIM BAN! NO CHINA WAR! President Trump must break with the policies of his predecessors. “I and the public know / What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done / Do evil in return.” --W. H. Auden [1] NO MUSLIM BAN. President Trump’s restrictions on entry to the US - designed to lessen the chance of terrorist attacks on Americans - are approved by a majority of Americans, but he is going about it in the wrong way. In “War against terrorism or expansion of the American Empire?” (2002), William Blum, former State Department employee and historian of US interventions, puts it as follows: “If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize - very publicly and very sincerely - to all the widows and the orphans, the impoverished and the tortured, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. I would then announce that America's global interventions - including the awful bombings - have come to an end. And I would inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union but – oddly enough – a foreign country. I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many American bombings and invasions...” [2] NO CHINA WAR. A war between the greatest military power and the world's second largest economy is no longer unthinkable. The media are beating the drums of war as the world is being primed to regard China as a new enemy. The disputed islands in the South China Sea have become a flashpoint for war between China and America. American bases form a giant noose encircling China with missiles, bombers, and warships all the way from Australia through the Pacific to Asia and beyond. A stereotype of communist dictatorship is widely spread by the US, preventing us from understanding China as it is. The Chinese government is not trying to run the world. They want to keep America from dominating the region. The massive US military build-up is known in Washington as the ‘pivot to Asia’. The target is China. President Obama in 2011 said that creating an American presence in the Asia Pacific was his "top priority.” For America's unchallenged arms industry, the annual prize is huge profits from almost $600 billion of military spending - but the smartest weapons need enemies. With the current situation in the South China Sea, the danger of confrontation grows by the day. [3] ANTI-WAR GROUPS HERE & ABROAD CALL ON PRESIDENT TRUMP TO ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; end war provocations in Europe and Asia; ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop US drone assassinations; ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); bring US troops (and weapons) home; and withdraw the US ‘special forces’ - death squads - sent into 70% of the world’s countries; ~ (4) stop US support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at “AWARE of Champaign Urbana Illinois” > On May 2, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > The article in Counterpunch is perfect for “Egypt” > > Harsh and true. > >> On May 2, 2017, at 05:30, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> If AWARE wants to leaflet the film about Egypt at the art Theatre tonight, here’s a recent article that could be handed out: >> >> http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding-ground-for-terrorism/ >> >> And I’ll append a flyer AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban.’ >> >> Regards, Carl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>> >>> >>>> This is a message from Niloofar, if anyone has a copy of the flyers we have currently she would like to see one. For future she suggests: >>>> Speak up for the humanity and against the Muslim and refugee bans and military escalation >>>> >>>> I think the message of speaking out against Muslim & refugee bans and warmongering should be accompanied by action recommendations. You can decide which is better: >>>> >>>> 1. The message be the same for all three flyers: fear and hatred against Muslims have brought out the worst in some people and we need to counter the propaganda. These misplaced sentiments have diverted the attention from real domestic problems and have allowed the elite to assert their dominance through use of direct and indirect military force. >>>> >>>> The result? Death, destruction, chaos, famine, refugee crisis, and hopelessness in the region and diversion of resources away from economic development and the essential needs of the American people to build up of the already bloated military machine. >>>> >>>> Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >>>> >>>> >>>> Or specifically written in the context of each film: >>>> >>>> 2. Egypt: Against the U.S. laws, military aid has been flowing to the post-coup Egypt,...[background: propping up the military since 1970's have helped the continuation of authoritarian rule and prevented the formation of political parties and civil society to carry the revolution to its fruition]. >>>> >>>> Targeting Iran (the only stable country in the region with a limited democracy) as the main supporter of terrorism is catering to the pressures of regional allies (Israel and Saudi Arabia) is against the long-term interests of the U.S. >>>> >>>> The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan have been disastrous for the people and has forced many to seek refuge in neighboring countries (shown in the Iranian film) and try mostly unsuccessfully to get to the West. [The wrong-headed U.S. policy toward Afghanistan in 1980's inadvertently helped Taliban to take over and al Qaeda to create terrorist cells…] >>>> >>>> Yemen's dictatorship, supported by the U.S., was finally overthrown by the people's peaceful demonstrations (shown in the film) but the power struggle between two tribal factions led to temporary and cynical alliances and allowed Saudi Arabia to invade and bomb the country with the acquiescence of the U.S. The situation is getting worse by day and has led to a famine that can be eradicated by the intervention of the U.S. >>>> >>>> >>>> *Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>>> Dear Anti-war demonstrators et al >>>> >>>> Niloofar has suggested distributing flyers at the Art Theatre for their showing of films related to Iran, Yemen, and one other Middle Eastern nation, she has more information related to the films. >>>> >>>> They are showing on May 2nd., May 9th, and May 16th. at 7:00pm. >>>> >>>> I think we should assist her in this endeavor. We can discuss at our meeting flyers that maybe utilized. For this Tuesday’s film we could use the current flyers on hand, those that I recently returned to Carl and Stuart. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dalqadi at gmail.com Tue May 2 16:42:56 2017 From: dalqadi at gmail.com (Dana Alqadi) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 11:42:56 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Tonight at the Art Theater Message-ID: Hello! Champaign’s Art Theater is participating in an international film series called the Seventh Art Stand, a cinematic act of solidarity against Islamophobia and the Travel Ban. The showings will take place May 2, 9, and 16 with post-show discussions. Tonight, they are showing Cairo in One Breath (Egypt)- a film that looks at the religious politics surrounding the athan (Muslim call to prayer). The film has won Best of Fest awards at multiple film festivals in the last 6 months and I highly recommend it. For additional information, please see the attached press release. Thank you! -dana Preview attachment TheArtTheater-7thArtStandpressrelease.pdf TheArtTheater-7thArtStandpressrelease.pdf 85 KB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue May 2 19:14:03 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 14:14:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Distribute anti-war flyers at the Art Theatre In-Reply-To: <1FBA3F4B-14FD-4FE2-A157-25ED174D6079@illinois.edu> References: <1FBA3F4B-14FD-4FE2-A157-25ED174D6079@illinois.edu> Message-ID: The manager at the Art writes, "I think my request would be to be there but not approach people. Ok?” I told him that we would do that. I asked for space on a table for perhaps a half dozen 8x11 sheets. I plan to be there tonight with copies of the following materials: [1] "Veterans for Pece Condemns U.S. Actions in Syria”; [2] >; [3] the flyer that AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban’; and [4] a flyer “Who/what is AWARE?” These will be on a table along with Niloofar’s material, and other things members and friends of AWARE want to make available. It would be good, were AWAREists there to discuss matters with whoever’s interested, both before & after the film. —CGE > On May 2, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Austin McCann, General Manager of the Art Theatre > says that AWARE is welcome to distribute flyers at the showing of the film about Egypt tonight - in the foyer, or perhaps putting the flyers on a table. > > Regards, Carl > > > PS - in addition to Niloofar’s flyer, here’s a recent article that could be handed out: > > http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding-ground-for-terrorism/ > > And I’ll append a flyer that AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban.’ > > >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >> >> >>> This is a message from Niloofar, if anyone has a copy of the flyers we have currently she would like to see one. For future she suggests: >>> Speak up for the humanity and against the Muslim and refugee bans and military escalation >>> >>> I think the message of speaking out against Muslim & refugee bans and warmongering should be accompanied by action recommendations. You can decide which is better: >>> >>> 1. The message be the same for all three flyers: fear and hatred against Muslims have brought out the worst in some people and we need to counter the propaganda. These misplaced sentiments have diverted the attention from real domestic problems and have allowed the elite to assert their dominance through use of direct and indirect military force. >>> >>> The result? Death, destruction, chaos, famine, refugee crisis, and hopelessness in the region and diversion of resources away from economic development and the essential needs of the American people to build up of the already bloated military machine. >>> >>> Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >>> >>> >>> Or specifically written in the context of each film: >>> >>> 2. Egypt: Against the U.S. laws, military aid has been flowing to the post-coup Egypt,...[background: propping up the military since 1970's have helped the continuation of authoritarian rule and prevented the formation of political parties and civil society to carry the revolution to its fruition]. >>> >>> Targeting Iran (the only stable country in the region with a limited democracy) as the main supporter of terrorism is catering to the pressures of regional allies (Israel and Saudi Arabia) is against the long-term interests of the U.S. >>> >>> The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan have been disastrous for the people and has forced many to seek refuge in neighboring countries (shown in the Iranian film) and try mostly unsuccessfully to get to the West. [The wrong-headed U.S. policy toward Afghanistan in 1980's inadvertently helped Taliban to take over and al Qaeda to create terrorist cells…] >>> >>> Yemen's dictatorship, supported by the U.S., was finally overthrown by the people's peaceful demonstrations (shown in the film) but the power struggle between two tribal factions led to temporary and cynical alliances and allowed Saudi Arabia to invade and bomb the country with the acquiescence of the U.S. The situation is getting worse by day and has led to a famine that can be eradicated by the intervention of the U.S. >>> >>> >>> *Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>> Dear Anti-war demonstrators et al >>> >>> Niloofar has suggested distributing flyers at the Art Theatre for their showing of films related to Iran, Yemen, and one other Middle Eastern nation, she has more information related to the films. >>> >>> They are showing on May 2nd., May 9th, and May 16th. at 7:00pm. >>> >>> I think we should assist her in this endeavor. We can discuss at our meeting flyers that maybe utilized. For this Tuesday’s film we could use the current flyers on hand, those that I recently returned to Carl and Stuart. >>> >>> >>> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From niloofar.peace at gmail.com Tue May 2 19:30:00 2017 From: niloofar.peace at gmail.com (Niloofar Shambayati) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 14:30:00 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Distribute anti-war flyers at the Art Theatre/AWARE's February flyer In-Reply-To: References: <6B458EA2-7234-41E5-8F25-1062E0C03A8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Hello all, I'm not at all vested in the flyer I've made in the absence of any alternatives. Since this flyering was not to be "*my project", *rather a suggestion to Karen Aram, I'm perfectly fine with AWARE and allies to turn the above article into the content of a flyer for this evening. If you designate a point person, I'll tell the two friends who'd said they could help to get in touch with that person. Hope to see some of you at the screening this evening. Niloofar P.S.: I'm not going to make copies of the flyer for this evening-have no other use for it. If for any reason, though, your flyer couldn't be ready for this evening, I'm attaching the last version I made for copying and handing out. On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > *NO MUSLIM BAN! NO CHINA WAR!* > *President Trump must break with the policies of his predecessors.* > > > *“I and the public know / What all schoolchildren learn,* > *Those to whom evil is done / Do evil in return.” --W. H. Auden * > > *[1] NO MUSLIM BAN.* President Trump’s restrictions on entry to the US - > designed to lessen the chance of terrorist attacks on Americans - are > approved by a majority of Americans, but he is going about it in the wrong > way. In “War against terrorism or expansion of the American Empire?” > (2002), William Blum, former State Department employee and historian of US > interventions, puts it as follows: > > * “If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the > United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize - very > publicly and very sincerely - to all the widows and the orphans, the > impoverished and the tortured, and all the many millions of other victims > of American imperialism. I would then announce that America's global > interventions - including the awful bombings - have come to an end. And I > would inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union but – > oddly enough – a foreign country. I would then reduce the military budget > by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and > repair the damage from the many American bombings and invasions...”* > > *[2] NO CHINA WAR.* A war between the greatest military power and the > world's second largest economy is no longer unthinkable. The media are > beating the drums of war as the world is being primed to regard China as a > new enemy. The disputed islands in the South China Sea have become a > flashpoint for war between China and America. American bases form a giant > noose encircling China with missiles, bombers, and warships all the way > from Australia through the Pacific to Asia and beyond. > *A stereotype of communist dictatorship is widely spread by the US, > preventing us from understanding China as it is. The Chinese government is > not trying to run the world. They want to keep America from dominating the > region.* > The massive US military build-up is known in Washington as the ‘pivot to > Asia’. The target is China. President Obama in 2011 said that creating an > American presence in the Asia Pacific was his "top priority.” For America's > unchallenged arms industry, the annual prize is huge profits from almost > $600 billion of military spending - but the smartest weapons need enemies. > With the current situation in the South China Sea, the danger of > confrontation grows by the day. > > *[3] ANTI-WAR GROUPS HERE & ABROAD CALL ON PRESIDENT TRUMP TO* > *~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, > human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; end war > provocations in Europe and Asia;* > *~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop US drone > assassinations;* > *~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 > foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); > bring US troops (and weapons) home; and withdraw the US ‘special forces’ - > death squads - sent into 70% of the world’s countries; * > *~ (4) stop US support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi > Arabia; and* > *~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament.* > > *ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at “AWARE of Champaign Urbana > Illinois”* > > > On May 2, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > The article in Counterpunch is perfect for “Egypt” > > Harsh and true. > > On May 2, 2017, at 05:30, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > > If AWARE wants to leaflet the film about Egypt at the art Theatre tonight, > here’s a recent article that could be handed out: > > http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding- > ground-for-terrorism/ > > And I’ll append a flyer AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban.’ > > Regards, Carl > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > > This is a message from Niloofar, if anyone has a copy of the flyers we > have currently she would like to see one. For future she suggests: > > *Speak up for the humanity and against the Muslim and refugee bans and > military escalation* > > > I think the message of speaking out against Muslim & refugee bans and > warmongering should be accompanied by action recommendations. You can > decide which is better: > > > 1. The message be the same for all three flyers: fear and hatred > against Muslims have brought out the worst in some people and we need to > counter the propaganda. These misplaced sentiments have diverted the > attention from real domestic problems and have allowed the elite to assert > their dominance through use of direct and indirect military force. > > The result? Death, destruction, chaos, famine, refugee crisis, and > hopelessness in the region and diversion of resources away from economic > development and the essential needs of the American people to build up of > the already bloated military machine. > > > Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the > congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." > > > > Or specifically written in the context of each film: > > > 2. *Egypt:* Against the U.S. laws, military aid has been flowing to the > post-coup Egypt,...[background: propping up the military since 1970's have > helped the continuation of authoritarian rule and prevented the formation > of political parties and civil society to carry the revolution to its > fruition]. > > Targeting *Iran* (the only stable country in the region with a limited > democracy) as the main supporter of terrorism is catering to the pressures > of regional allies (Israel and Saudi Arabia) is against the long-term > interests of the U.S. > > > The invasion and occupation of *Afghanistan* have been disastrous for the > people and has forced many to seek refuge in neighboring countries (shown > in the Iranian film) and try mostly unsuccessfully to get to the West. [The > wrong-headed U.S. policy toward Afghanistan in 1980's inadvertently helped > Taliban to take over and al Qaeda to create terrorist cells…] > > *Yemen'*s dictatorship, supported by the U.S., was finally overthrown by > the people's peaceful demonstrations (shown in the film) but the power > struggle between two tribal factions led to temporary and cynical alliances > and allowed Saudi Arabia to invade and bomb the country with the > acquiescence of the U.S. The situation is getting worse by day and has led > to a famine that can be eradicated by the intervention of the U.S. > > > > *Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the > congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." > > > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Dear Anti-war demonstrators et al > > Niloofar has suggested distributing flyers at the Art Theatre for their > showing of films related to Iran, Yemen, and one other Middle Eastern > nation, she has more information related to the films. > > They are showing on May 2nd., May 9th, and May 16th. at 7:00pm. > > I think we should assist her in this endeavor. We can discuss at our > meeting flyers that maybe utilized. For this Tuesday’s film we could use > the current flyers on hand, those that I recently returned to Carl and > Stuart. > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Speak Up.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 710513 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 2 19:31:10 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 19:31:10 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Distribute anti-war flyers at the Art Theatre In-Reply-To: References: <1FBA3F4B-14FD-4FE2-A157-25ED174D6079@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I agree we shouldn’t approach people within the Theatre, or on their outdoor premises. We should utilize the table for materials and be there to discuss. After the film as well. However, we should be able to approach people, by word, on the street passing by on the sidewalk, and ask if they’d like a flyer, this is what we do in front of Radio Maria on Sundays, and it doesn’t disturb anyone, and is legal. On May 2, 2017, at 12:14, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: The manager at the Art writes, "I think my request would be to be there but not approach people. Ok?” I told him that we would do that. I asked for space on a table for perhaps a half dozen 8x11 sheets. I plan to be there tonight with copies of the following materials: [1] "Veterans for Pece Condemns U.S. Actions in Syria”; [2] ; [3] the flyer that AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban’; and [4] a flyer “Who/what is AWARE?” These will be on a table along with Niloofar’s material, and other things members and friends of AWARE want to make available. It would be good, were AWAREists there to discuss matters with whoever’s interested, both before & after the film. —CGE On May 2, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: Austin McCann, General Manager of the Art Theatre > says that AWARE is welcome to distribute flyers at the showing of the film about Egypt tonight - in the foyer, or perhaps putting the flyers on a table. Regards, Carl PS - in addition to Niloofar’s flyer, here’s a recent article that could be handed out: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding-ground-for-terrorism/ And I’ll append a flyer that AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban.’ On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: This is a message from Niloofar, if anyone has a copy of the flyers we have currently she would like to see one. For future she suggests: Speak up for the humanity and against the Muslim and refugee bans and military escalation I think the message of speaking out against Muslim & refugee bans and warmongering should be accompanied by action recommendations. You can decide which is better: 1. The message be the same for all three flyers: fear and hatred against Muslims have brought out the worst in some people and we need to counter the propaganda. These misplaced sentiments have diverted the attention from real domestic problems and have allowed the elite to assert their dominance through use of direct and indirect military force. The result? Death, destruction, chaos, famine, refugee crisis, and hopelessness in the region and diversion of resources away from economic development and the essential needs of the American people to build up of the already bloated military machine. Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." Or specifically written in the context of each film: 2. Egypt: Against the U.S. laws, military aid has been flowing to the post-coup Egypt,...[background: propping up the military since 1970's have helped the continuation of authoritarian rule and prevented the formation of political parties and civil society to carry the revolution to its fruition]. Targeting Iran (the only stable country in the region with a limited democracy) as the main supporter of terrorism is catering to the pressures of regional allies (Israel and Saudi Arabia) is against the long-term interests of the U.S. The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan have been disastrous for the people and has forced many to seek refuge in neighboring countries (shown in the Iranian film) and try mostly unsuccessfully to get to the West. [The wrong-headed U.S. policy toward Afghanistan in 1980's inadvertently helped Taliban to take over and al Qaeda to create terrorist cells…] Yemen's dictatorship, supported by the U.S., was finally overthrown by the people's peaceful demonstrations (shown in the film) but the power struggle between two tribal factions led to temporary and cynical alliances and allowed Saudi Arabia to invade and bomb the country with the acquiescence of the U.S. The situation is getting worse by day and has led to a famine that can be eradicated by the intervention of the U.S. *Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: Dear Anti-war demonstrators et al Niloofar has suggested distributing flyers at the Art Theatre for their showing of films related to Iran, Yemen, and one other Middle Eastern nation, she has more information related to the films. They are showing on May 2nd., May 9th, and May 16th. at 7:00pm. I think we should assist her in this endeavor. We can discuss at our meeting flyers that maybe utilized. For this Tuesday’s film we could use the current flyers on hand, those that I recently returned to Carl and Stuart. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 2 19:37:31 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 19:37:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Distribute anti-war flyers at the Art Theatre/AWARE's February flyer In-Reply-To: References: <6B458EA2-7234-41E5-8F25-1062E0C03A8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Either Carl or I can be a “point person.” I will plan to be there, red hair and green jacket, should be easy to spot. I hope Carl has the flyers referred to below. I will make copies of one I have which I think is also relevant. On May 2, 2017, at 12:30, Niloofar Shambayati > wrote: Hello all, I'm not at all vested in the flyer I've made in the absence of any alternatives. Since this flyering was not to be "my project", rather a suggestion to Karen Aram, I'm perfectly fine with AWARE and allies to turn the above article into the content of a flyer for this evening. If you designate a point person, I'll tell the two friends who'd said they could help to get in touch with that person. Hope to see some of you at the screening this evening. Niloofar P.S.: I'm not going to make copies of the flyer for this evening-have no other use for it. If for any reason, though, your flyer couldn't be ready for this evening, I'm attaching the last version I made for copying and handing out. On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: NO MUSLIM BAN! NO CHINA WAR! President Trump must break with the policies of his predecessors. “I and the public know / What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done / Do evil in return.” --W. H. Auden [1] NO MUSLIM BAN. President Trump’s restrictions on entry to the US - designed to lessen the chance of terrorist attacks on Americans - are approved by a majority of Americans, but he is going about it in the wrong way. In “War against terrorism or expansion of the American Empire?” (2002), William Blum, former State Department employee and historian of US interventions, puts it as follows: “If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize - very publicly and very sincerely - to all the widows and the orphans, the impoverished and the tortured, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. I would then announce that America's global interventions - including the awful bombings - have come to an end. And I would inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union but – oddly enough – a foreign country. I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many American bombings and invasions...” [2] NO CHINA WAR. A war between the greatest military power and the world's second largest economy is no longer unthinkable. The media are beating the drums of war as the world is being primed to regard China as a new enemy. The disputed islands in the South China Sea have become a flashpoint for war between China and America. American bases form a giant noose encircling China with missiles, bombers, and warships all the way from Australia through the Pacific to Asia and beyond. A stereotype of communist dictatorship is widely spread by the US, preventing us from understanding China as it is. The Chinese government is not trying to run the world. They want to keep America from dominating the region. The massive US military build-up is known in Washington as the ‘pivot to Asia’. The target is China. President Obama in 2011 said that creating an American presence in the Asia Pacific was his "top priority.” For America's unchallenged arms industry, the annual prize is huge profits from almost $600 billion of military spending - but the smartest weapons need enemies. With the current situation in the South China Sea, the danger of confrontation grows by the day. [3] ANTI-WAR GROUPS HERE & ABROAD CALL ON PRESIDENT TRUMP TO ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; end war provocations in Europe and Asia; ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop US drone assassinations; ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); bring US troops (and weapons) home; and withdraw the US ‘special forces’ - death squads - sent into 70% of the world’s countries; ~ (4) stop US support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at “AWARE of Champaign Urbana Illinois” On May 2, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: The article in Counterpunch is perfect for “Egypt” Harsh and true. On May 2, 2017, at 05:30, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: If AWARE wants to leaflet the film about Egypt at the art Theatre tonight, here’s a recent article that could be handed out: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding-ground-for-terrorism/ And I’ll append a flyer AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban.’ Regards, Carl On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: This is a message from Niloofar, if anyone has a copy of the flyers we have currently she would like to see one. For future she suggests: Speak up for the humanity and against the Muslim and refugee bans and military escalation I think the message of speaking out against Muslim & refugee bans and warmongering should be accompanied by action recommendations. You can decide which is better: 1. The message be the same for all three flyers: fear and hatred against Muslims have brought out the worst in some people and we need to counter the propaganda. These misplaced sentiments have diverted the attention from real domestic problems and have allowed the elite to assert their dominance through use of direct and indirect military force. The result? Death, destruction, chaos, famine, refugee crisis, and hopelessness in the region and diversion of resources away from economic development and the essential needs of the American people to build up of the already bloated military machine. Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." Or specifically written in the context of each film: 2. Egypt: Against the U.S. laws, military aid has been flowing to the post-coup Egypt,...[background: propping up the military since 1970's have helped the continuation of authoritarian rule and prevented the formation of political parties and civil society to carry the revolution to its fruition]. Targeting Iran (the only stable country in the region with a limited democracy) as the main supporter of terrorism is catering to the pressures of regional allies (Israel and Saudi Arabia) is against the long-term interests of the U.S. The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan have been disastrous for the people and has forced many to seek refuge in neighboring countries (shown in the Iranian film) and try mostly unsuccessfully to get to the West. [The wrong-headed U.S. policy toward Afghanistan in 1980's inadvertently helped Taliban to take over and al Qaeda to create terrorist cells…] Yemen's dictatorship, supported by the U.S., was finally overthrown by the people's peaceful demonstrations (shown in the film) but the power struggle between two tribal factions led to temporary and cynical alliances and allowed Saudi Arabia to invade and bomb the country with the acquiescence of the U.S. The situation is getting worse by day and has led to a famine that can be eradicated by the intervention of the U.S. *Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: Dear Anti-war demonstrators et al Niloofar has suggested distributing flyers at the Art Theatre for their showing of films related to Iran, Yemen, and one other Middle Eastern nation, she has more information related to the films. They are showing on May 2nd., May 9th, and May 16th. at 7:00pm. I think we should assist her in this endeavor. We can discuss at our meeting flyers that maybe utilized. For this Tuesday’s film we could use the current flyers on hand, those that I recently returned to Carl and Stuart. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue May 2 19:55:50 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 14:55:50 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Distribute anti-war flyers at the Art Theatre/AWARE's February flyer In-Reply-To: References: <6B458EA2-7234-41E5-8F25-1062E0C03A8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Karen-- I’ll bring copies of the ones I mentioned, viz., [1] "Veterans for Peace Condemns U.S. Actions in Syria”; [2] >; [3] the flyer that AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban’; and [4] a flyer “Who/what is AWARE?” ( = the intro to AWARE ON THE AIR). If you or Niloofar have others ready, send them to me, and I can make copies of them as well. —CGE > On May 2, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Either Carl or I can be a “point person.” I will plan to be there, red hair and green jacket, should be easy to spot. I hope Carl has the flyers referred to below. I will make copies of one I have which I think is also relevant. > >> On May 2, 2017, at 12:30, Niloofar Shambayati > wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> I'm not at all vested in the flyer I've made in the absence of any alternatives. Since this flyering was not to be "my project", rather a suggestion to Karen Aram, I'm perfectly fine with AWARE and allies to turn the above article into the content of a flyer for this evening. If you designate a point person, I'll tell the two friends who'd said they could help to get in touch with that person. Hope to see some of you at the screening this evening. >> >> Niloofar >> P.S.: I'm not going to make copies of the flyer for this evening-have no other use for it. If for any reason, though, your flyer couldn't be ready for this evening, I'm attaching the last version I made for copying and handing out. >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> NO MUSLIM BAN! NO CHINA WAR! >> President Trump must break with the policies of his predecessors. >> >> “I and the public know / What all schoolchildren learn, >> Those to whom evil is done / Do evil in return.” --W. H. Auden >> >> [1] NO MUSLIM BAN. President Trump’s restrictions on entry to the US - designed to lessen the chance of terrorist attacks on Americans - are approved by a majority of Americans, but he is going about it in the wrong way. In “War against terrorism or expansion of the American Empire?” (2002), William Blum, former State Department employee and historian of US interventions, puts it as follows: >> >> “If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize - very publicly and very sincerely - to all the widows and the orphans, the impoverished and the tortured, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. I would then announce that America's global interventions - including the awful bombings - have come to an end. And I would inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union but – oddly enough – a foreign country. I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many American bombings and invasions...” >> >> [2] NO CHINA WAR. A war between the greatest military power and the world's second largest economy is no longer unthinkable. The media are beating the drums of war as the world is being primed to regard China as a new enemy. The disputed islands in the South China Sea have become a flashpoint for war between China and America. American bases form a giant noose encircling China with missiles, bombers, and warships all the way from Australia through the Pacific to Asia and beyond. >> A stereotype of communist dictatorship is widely spread by the US, preventing us from understanding China as it is. The Chinese government is not trying to run the world. They want to keep America from dominating the region. >> The massive US military build-up is known in Washington as the ‘pivot to Asia’. The target is China. President Obama in 2011 said that creating an American presence in the Asia Pacific was his "top priority.” For America's unchallenged arms industry, the annual prize is huge profits from almost $600 billion of military spending - but the smartest weapons need enemies. With the current situation in the South China Sea, the danger of confrontation grows by the day. >> >> [3] ANTI-WAR GROUPS HERE & ABROAD CALL ON PRESIDENT TRUMP TO >> ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; end war provocations in Europe and Asia; >> ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop US drone assassinations; >> ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); bring US troops (and weapons) home; and withdraw the US ‘special forces’ - death squads - sent into 70% of the world’s countries; >> ~ (4) stop US support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and >> ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. >> >> ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at “AWARE of Champaign Urbana Illinois” >> >> >>> On May 2, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>> >>> The article in Counterpunch is perfect for “Egypt” >>> >>> Harsh and true. >>> >>>> On May 2, 2017, at 05:30, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >>>> >>>> If AWARE wants to leaflet the film about Egypt at the art Theatre tonight, here’s a recent article that could be handed out: >>>> >>>> http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding-ground-for-terrorism/ >>>> >>>> And I’ll append a flyer AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban.’ >>>> >>>> Regards, Carl >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> This is a message from Niloofar, if anyone has a copy of the flyers we have currently she would like to see one. For future she suggests: >>>>>> Speak up for the humanity and against the Muslim and refugee bans and military escalation >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the message of speaking out against Muslim & refugee bans and warmongering should be accompanied by action recommendations. You can decide which is better: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. The message be the same for all three flyers: fear and hatred against Muslims have brought out the worst in some people and we need to counter the propaganda. These misplaced sentiments have diverted the attention from real domestic problems and have allowed the elite to assert their dominance through use of direct and indirect military force. >>>>>> >>>>>> The result? Death, destruction, chaos, famine, refugee crisis, and hopelessness in the region and diversion of resources away from economic development and the essential needs of the American people to build up of the already bloated military machine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Or specifically written in the context of each film: >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Egypt: Against the U.S. laws, military aid has been flowing to the post-coup Egypt,...[background: propping up the military since 1970's have helped the continuation of authoritarian rule and prevented the formation of political parties and civil society to carry the revolution to its fruition]. >>>>>> >>>>>> Targeting Iran (the only stable country in the region with a limited democracy) as the main supporter of terrorism is catering to the pressures of regional allies (Israel and Saudi Arabia) is against the long-term interests of the U.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan have been disastrous for the people and has forced many to seek refuge in neighboring countries (shown in the Iranian film) and try mostly unsuccessfully to get to the West. [The wrong-headed U.S. policy toward Afghanistan in 1980's inadvertently helped Taliban to take over and al Qaeda to create terrorist cells…] >>>>>> >>>>>> Yemen's dictatorship, supported by the U.S., was finally overthrown by the people's peaceful demonstrations (shown in the film) but the power struggle between two tribal factions led to temporary and cynical alliances and allowed Saudi Arabia to invade and bomb the country with the acquiescence of the U.S. The situation is getting worse by day and has led to a famine that can be eradicated by the intervention of the U.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>>>>> Dear Anti-war demonstrators et al >>>>>> >>>>>> Niloofar has suggested distributing flyers at the Art Theatre for their showing of films related to Iran, Yemen, and one other Middle Eastern nation, she has more information related to the films. >>>>>> >>>>>> They are showing on May 2nd., May 9th, and May 16th. at 7:00pm. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we should assist her in this endeavor. We can discuss at our meeting flyers that maybe utilized. For this Tuesday’s film we could use the current flyers on hand, those that I recently returned to Carl and Stuart. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue May 2 20:08:44 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 15:08:44 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Distribute anti-war flyers at the Art Theatre In-Reply-To: References: <1FBA3F4B-14FD-4FE2-A157-25ED174D6079@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <1E2FF321-2044-4001-86A1-AF8AA12DD744@illinois.edu> Yes. > On May 2, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > I agree we shouldn’t approach people within the Theatre, or on their outdoor premises. We should utilize the table for materials and be there to discuss. After the film as well. > > However, we should be able to approach people, by word, on the street passing by on the sidewalk, and ask if they’d like a flyer, this is what we do in front of Radio Maria on Sundays, and it doesn’t disturb anyone, and is legal. > > >> On May 2, 2017, at 12:14, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> The manager at the Art writes, "I think my request would be to be there but not approach people. Ok?” >> >> I told him that we would do that. I asked for space on a table for perhaps a half dozen 8x11 sheets. >> >> I plan to be there tonight with copies of the following materials: >> >> [1] "Veterans for Pece Condemns U.S. Actions in Syria”; >> >> [2] >; >> >> [3] the flyer that AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban’; and >> >> [4] a flyer “Who/what is AWARE?” >> >> These will be on a table along with Niloofar’s material, and other things members and friends of AWARE want to make available. >> >> It would be good, were AWAREists there to discuss matters with whoever’s interested, both before & after the film. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On May 2, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> Austin McCann, General Manager of the Art Theatre > says that AWARE is welcome to distribute flyers at the showing of the film about Egypt tonight - in the foyer, or perhaps putting the flyers on a table. >>> >>> Regards, Carl >>> >>> >>> PS - in addition to Niloofar’s flyer, here’s a recent article that could be handed out: >>> >>> http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding-ground-for-terrorism/ >>> >>> And I’ll append a flyer that AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban.’ >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> This is a message from Niloofar, if anyone has a copy of the flyers we have currently she would like to see one. For future she suggests: >>>>> Speak up for the humanity and against the Muslim and refugee bans and military escalation >>>>> >>>>> I think the message of speaking out against Muslim & refugee bans and warmongering should be accompanied by action recommendations. You can decide which is better: >>>>> >>>>> 1. The message be the same for all three flyers: fear and hatred against Muslims have brought out the worst in some people and we need to counter the propaganda. These misplaced sentiments have diverted the attention from real domestic problems and have allowed the elite to assert their dominance through use of direct and indirect military force. >>>>> >>>>> The result? Death, destruction, chaos, famine, refugee crisis, and hopelessness in the region and diversion of resources away from economic development and the essential needs of the American people to build up of the already bloated military machine. >>>>> >>>>> Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Or specifically written in the context of each film: >>>>> >>>>> 2. Egypt: Against the U.S. laws, military aid has been flowing to the post-coup Egypt,...[background: propping up the military since 1970's have helped the continuation of authoritarian rule and prevented the formation of political parties and civil society to carry the revolution to its fruition]. >>>>> >>>>> Targeting Iran (the only stable country in the region with a limited democracy) as the main supporter of terrorism is catering to the pressures of regional allies (Israel and Saudi Arabia) is against the long-term interests of the U.S. >>>>> >>>>> The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan have been disastrous for the people and has forced many to seek refuge in neighboring countries (shown in the Iranian film) and try mostly unsuccessfully to get to the West. [The wrong-headed U.S. policy toward Afghanistan in 1980's inadvertently helped Taliban to take over and al Qaeda to create terrorist cells…] >>>>> >>>>> Yemen's dictatorship, supported by the U.S., was finally overthrown by the people's peaceful demonstrations (shown in the film) but the power struggle between two tribal factions led to temporary and cynical alliances and allowed Saudi Arabia to invade and bomb the country with the acquiescence of the U.S. The situation is getting worse by day and has led to a famine that can be eradicated by the intervention of the U.S. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>>>> Dear Anti-war demonstrators et al >>>>> >>>>> Niloofar has suggested distributing flyers at the Art Theatre for their showing of films related to Iran, Yemen, and one other Middle Eastern nation, she has more information related to the films. >>>>> >>>>> They are showing on May 2nd., May 9th, and May 16th. at 7:00pm. >>>>> >>>>> I think we should assist her in this endeavor. We can discuss at our meeting flyers that maybe utilized. For this Tuesday’s film we could use the current flyers on hand, those that I recently returned to Carl and Stuart. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From niloofar.peace at gmail.com Tue May 2 20:14:24 2017 From: niloofar.peace at gmail.com (Niloofar Shambayati) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 15:14:24 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Distribute anti-war flyers at the Art Theatre/AWARE's February flyer In-Reply-To: References: <6B458EA2-7234-41E5-8F25-1062E0C03A8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Hello Carl, I had attached the flyer to the previous email I sent to the group this afternoon. Im attaching it again-just in case. If you think it would be useful, please go ahead and make copies. Thanks! Niloofar On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > Karen-- > > I’ll bring copies of the ones I mentioned, viz., [1] "Veterans for Peace > Condemns U.S. Actions in Syria”; [2] 2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding-ground-for-terrorism/>; [3] the flyer that > AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban’; and [4] a flyer > “Who/what is AWARE?” ( = the intro to AWARE ON THE AIR). > > If you or Niloofar have others ready, send them to me, and I can make > copies of them as well. > > —CGE > > > > On May 2, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Either Carl or I can be a “point person.” I will plan to be there, red > hair and green jacket, should be easy to spot. I hope Carl has the flyers > referred to below. I will make copies of one I have which I think is also > relevant. > > On May 2, 2017, at 12:30, Niloofar Shambayati > wrote: > > Hello all, > > I'm not at all vested in the flyer I've made in the absence of any > alternatives. Since this flyering was not to be "*my project", *rather a > suggestion to Karen Aram, I'm perfectly fine with AWARE and allies to turn > the above article into the content of a flyer for this evening. If you > designate a point person, I'll tell the two friends who'd said they could > help to get in touch with that person. Hope to see some of you at the > screening this evening. > > Niloofar > P.S.: I'm not going to make copies of the flyer for this evening-have no > other use for it. If for any reason, though, your flyer couldn't be ready > for this evening, I'm attaching the last version I made for copying and > handing out. > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: > >> *NO MUSLIM BAN! NO CHINA WAR!* >> *President Trump must break with the policies of his predecessors.* >> >> *“I and the public know / What all schoolchildren learn,* >> *Those to whom evil is done / Do evil in return.” --W. H. Auden * >> >> *[1] NO MUSLIM BAN.* President Trump’s restrictions on entry to the US - >> designed to lessen the chance of terrorist attacks on Americans - are >> approved by a majority of Americans, but he is going about it in the wrong >> way. In “War against terrorism or expansion of the American Empire?” >> (2002), William Blum, former State Department employee and historian of US >> interventions, puts it as follows: >> >> *“If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the >> United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize - very >> publicly and very sincerely - to all the widows and the orphans, the >> impoverished and the tortured, and all the many millions of other victims >> of American imperialism. I would then announce that America's global >> interventions - including the awful bombings - have come to an end. And I >> would inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union but – >> oddly enough – a foreign country. I would then reduce the military budget >> by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and >> repair the damage from the many American bombings and invasions...”* >> >> *[2] NO CHINA WAR.* A war between the greatest military power and the >> world's second largest economy is no longer unthinkable. The media are >> beating the drums of war as the world is being primed to regard China as a >> new enemy. The disputed islands in the South China Sea have become a >> flashpoint for war between China and America. American bases form a giant >> noose encircling China with missiles, bombers, and warships all the way >> from Australia through the Pacific to Asia and beyond. >> *A stereotype of communist dictatorship is widely spread by the US, >> preventing us from understanding China as it is. The Chinese government is >> not trying to run the world. They want to keep America from dominating the >> region.* >> The massive US military build-up is known in Washington as the ‘pivot to >> Asia’. The target is China. President Obama in 2011 said that creating an >> American presence in the Asia Pacific was his "top priority.” For America's >> unchallenged arms industry, the annual prize is huge profits from almost >> $600 billion of military spending - but the smartest weapons need enemies. >> With the current situation in the South China Sea, the danger of >> confrontation grows by the day. >> >> *[3] ANTI-WAR GROUPS HERE & ABROAD CALL ON PRESIDENT TRUMP TO* >> *~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, >> human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; end war >> provocations in Europe and Asia;* >> *~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop US drone >> assassinations;* >> *~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 >> foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); >> bring US troops (and weapons) home; and withdraw the US ‘special forces’ - >> death squads - sent into 70% of the world’s countries; * >> *~ (4) stop US support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi >> Arabia; and* >> *~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament.* >> >> *ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at “AWARE of Champaign Urbana >> Illinois”* >> >> >> On May 2, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> The article in Counterpunch is perfect for “Egypt” >> >> Harsh and true. >> >> On May 2, 2017, at 05:30, Carl G. Estabrook >> wrote: >> >> If AWARE wants to leaflet the film about Egypt at the art Theatre >> tonight, here’s a recent article that could be handed out: >> >> http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding-grou >> nd-for-terrorism/ >> >> And I’ll append a flyer AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim >> ban.’ >> >> Regards, Carl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> >> This is a message from Niloofar, if anyone has a copy of the flyers we >> have currently she would like to see one. For future she suggests: >> >> *Speak up for the humanity and against the Muslim and refugee bans and >> military escalation* >> >> >> I think the message of speaking out against Muslim & refugee bans and >> warmongering should be accompanied by action recommendations. You can >> decide which is better: >> >> >> 1. The message be the same for all three flyers: fear and hatred >> against Muslims have brought out the worst in some people and we need to >> counter the propaganda. These misplaced sentiments have diverted the >> attention from real domestic problems and have allowed the elite to assert >> their dominance through use of direct and indirect military force. >> >> The result? Death, destruction, chaos, famine, refugee crisis, and >> hopelessness in the region and diversion of resources away from economic >> development and the essential needs of the American people to build up of >> the already bloated military machine. >> >> >> Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the >> congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >> >> >> >> Or specifically written in the context of each film: >> >> >> 2. *Egypt:* Against the U.S. laws, military aid has been flowing to >> the post-coup Egypt,...[background: propping up the military since 1970's >> have helped the continuation of authoritarian rule and prevented the >> formation of political parties and civil society to carry the revolution to >> its fruition]. >> >> Targeting *Iran* (the only stable country in the region with a limited >> democracy) as the main supporter of terrorism is catering to the pressures >> of regional allies (Israel and Saudi Arabia) is against the long-term >> interests of the U.S. >> >> >> The invasion and occupation of *Afghanistan* have been disastrous for >> the people and has forced many to seek refuge in neighboring countries >> (shown in the Iranian film) and try mostly unsuccessfully to get to the >> West. [The wrong-headed U.S. policy toward Afghanistan in 1980's >> inadvertently helped Taliban to take over and al Qaeda to create terrorist >> cells…] >> >> *Yemen'*s dictatorship, supported by the U.S., was finally overthrown by >> the people's peaceful demonstrations (shown in the film) but the power >> struggle between two tribal factions led to temporary and cynical alliances >> and allowed Saudi Arabia to invade and bomb the country with the >> acquiescence of the U.S. The situation is getting worse by day and has led >> to a famine that can be eradicated by the intervention of the U.S. >> >> >> >> *Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the >> congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram >> wrote: >> >> Dear Anti-war demonstrators et al >> >> Niloofar has suggested distributing flyers at the Art Theatre for their >> showing of films related to Iran, Yemen, and one other Middle Eastern >> nation, she has more information related to the films. >> >> They are showing on May 2nd., May 9th, and May 16th. at 7:00pm. >> >> I think we should assist her in this endeavor. We can discuss at our >> meeting flyers that maybe utilized. For this Tuesday’s film we could use >> the current flyers on hand, those that I recently returned to Carl and >> Stuart. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Speak Up.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 710513 bytes Desc: not available URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue May 2 20:28:11 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 15:28:11 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Distribute anti-war flyers at the Art Theatre/AWARE's February flyer In-Reply-To: References: <6B458EA2-7234-41E5-8F25-1062E0C03A8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I’ll make copies along with the others and have them at the Art tonight for the 7pm show. Regards, Carl > On May 2, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Niloofar Shambayati wrote: > > Hello Carl, > > I had attached the flyer to the previous email I sent to the group this afternoon. Im attaching it again-just in case. If you think it would be useful, please go ahead and make copies. Thanks! > > Niloofar > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: > Karen-- > > I’ll bring copies of the ones I mentioned, viz., [1] "Veterans for Peace Condemns U.S. Actions in Syria”; [2] >; [3] the flyer that AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban’; and [4] a flyer “Who/what is AWARE?” ( = the intro to AWARE ON THE AIR). > > If you or Niloofar have others ready, send them to me, and I can make copies of them as well. > > —CGE > > > >> On May 2, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >> >> Either Carl or I can be a “point person.” I will plan to be there, red hair and green jacket, should be easy to spot. I hope Carl has the flyers referred to below. I will make copies of one I have which I think is also relevant. >> >>> On May 2, 2017, at 12:30, Niloofar Shambayati > wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I'm not at all vested in the flyer I've made in the absence of any alternatives. Since this flyering was not to be "my project", rather a suggestion to Karen Aram, I'm perfectly fine with AWARE and allies to turn the above article into the content of a flyer for this evening. If you designate a point person, I'll tell the two friends who'd said they could help to get in touch with that person. Hope to see some of you at the screening this evening. >>> >>> Niloofar >>> P.S.: I'm not going to make copies of the flyer for this evening-have no other use for it. If for any reason, though, your flyer couldn't be ready for this evening, I'm attaching the last version I made for copying and handing out. >>> >>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >>> NO MUSLIM BAN! NO CHINA WAR! >>> President Trump must break with the policies of his predecessors. >>> >>> “I and the public know / What all schoolchildren learn, >>> Those to whom evil is done / Do evil in return.” --W. H. Auden >>> >>> [1] NO MUSLIM BAN. President Trump’s restrictions on entry to the US - designed to lessen the chance of terrorist attacks on Americans - are approved by a majority of Americans, but he is going about it in the wrong way. In “War against terrorism or expansion of the American Empire?” (2002), William Blum, former State Department employee and historian of US interventions, puts it as follows: >>> >>> “If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize - very publicly and very sincerely - to all the widows and the orphans, the impoverished and the tortured, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. I would then announce that America's global interventions - including the awful bombings - have come to an end. And I would inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union but – oddly enough – a foreign country. I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many American bombings and invasions...” >>> >>> [2] NO CHINA WAR. A war between the greatest military power and the world's second largest economy is no longer unthinkable. The media are beating the drums of war as the world is being primed to regard China as a new enemy. The disputed islands in the South China Sea have become a flashpoint for war between China and America. American bases form a giant noose encircling China with missiles, bombers, and warships all the way from Australia through the Pacific to Asia and beyond. >>> A stereotype of communist dictatorship is widely spread by the US, preventing us from understanding China as it is. The Chinese government is not trying to run the world. They want to keep America from dominating the region. >>> The massive US military build-up is known in Washington as the ‘pivot to Asia’. The target is China. President Obama in 2011 said that creating an American presence in the Asia Pacific was his "top priority.” For America's unchallenged arms industry, the annual prize is huge profits from almost $600 billion of military spending - but the smartest weapons need enemies. With the current situation in the South China Sea, the danger of confrontation grows by the day. >>> >>> [3] ANTI-WAR GROUPS HERE & ABROAD CALL ON PRESIDENT TRUMP TO >>> ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; end war provocations in Europe and Asia; >>> ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop US drone assassinations; >>> ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); bring US troops (and weapons) home; and withdraw the US ‘special forces’ - death squads - sent into 70% of the world’s countries; >>> ~ (4) stop US support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and >>> ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. >>> >>> ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at “AWARE of Champaign Urbana Illinois” >>> >>> >>>> On May 2, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>>> >>>> The article in Counterpunch is perfect for “Egypt” >>>> >>>> Harsh and true. >>>> >>>>> On May 2, 2017, at 05:30, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If AWARE wants to leaflet the film about Egypt at the art Theatre tonight, here’s a recent article that could be handed out: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/10/egypt-a-breeding-ground-for-terrorism/ >>>>> >>>>> And I’ll append a flyer AWARE distributed in February, on the 'Muslim ban.’ >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Carl >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is a message from Niloofar, if anyone has a copy of the flyers we have currently she would like to see one. For future she suggests: >>>>>>> Speak up for the humanity and against the Muslim and refugee bans and military escalation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the message of speaking out against Muslim & refugee bans and warmongering should be accompanied by action recommendations. You can decide which is better: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. The message be the same for all three flyers: fear and hatred against Muslims have brought out the worst in some people and we need to counter the propaganda. These misplaced sentiments have diverted the attention from real domestic problems and have allowed the elite to assert their dominance through use of direct and indirect military force. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The result? Death, destruction, chaos, famine, refugee crisis, and hopelessness in the region and diversion of resources away from economic development and the essential needs of the American people to build up of the already bloated military machine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or specifically written in the context of each film: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. Egypt: Against the U.S. laws, military aid has been flowing to the post-coup Egypt,...[background: propping up the military since 1970's have helped the continuation of authoritarian rule and prevented the formation of political parties and civil society to carry the revolution to its fruition]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Targeting Iran (the only stable country in the region with a limited democracy) as the main supporter of terrorism is catering to the pressures of regional allies (Israel and Saudi Arabia) is against the long-term interests of the U.S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan have been disastrous for the people and has forced many to seek refuge in neighboring countries (shown in the Iranian film) and try mostly unsuccessfully to get to the West. [The wrong-headed U.S. policy toward Afghanistan in 1980's inadvertently helped Taliban to take over and al Qaeda to create terrorist cells…] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yemen's dictatorship, supported by the U.S., was finally overthrown by the people's peaceful demonstrations (shown in the film) but the power struggle between two tribal factions led to temporary and cynical alliances and allowed Saudi Arabia to invade and bomb the country with the acquiescence of the U.S. The situation is getting worse by day and has led to a famine that can be eradicated by the intervention of the U.S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Please write letters to the editor, sign petitions (the links) call the congress, & engage relatives and friends on these issues." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Anti-war demonstrators et al >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Niloofar has suggested distributing flyers at the Art Theatre for their showing of films related to Iran, Yemen, and one other Middle Eastern nation, she has more information related to the films. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They are showing on May 2nd., May 9th, and May 16th. at 7:00pm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we should assist her in this endeavor. We can discuss at our meeting flyers that maybe utilized. For this Tuesday’s film we could use the current flyers on hand, those that I recently returned to Carl and Stuart. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed May 3 02:42:50 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 21:42:50 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Flyers tonight at the Art Theatre In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is the film for Tuesday, May 9. What flyers should AWARE distribute? —CGE "THE ART THEATER CO-OP Part of THE SEVENTH ART STAND, our film series against Islamophobia & the #MuslimBan Post-show discussion led by Niloofar Shambayati, Cynthia Buckley, & Ghassan Moussawi. "Two-time Sundance Film Festival award winner Sonita tells the inspiring story of Sonita Alizadeh, an 18-year-old Afghan refugee in Iran, who thinks of Michael Jackson and Rihanna as her spiritual parents and dreams of becoming a big-name rapper. For the time being, her only fans are the other teenage girls in a Tehran shelter. And her family has a very different future planned for her: as a bride she’s worth $9,000. Iranian director Rokhsareh Ghaem Maghami (Going Up the Stairs) poignantly shifts from observer to participant altering expectations, as Sonita’s story unfolds in this personal and joyful portrait. An intimate portrait of creativity and womanhood, Sonita highlights the rarely seen intricacies and shifting contrasts of Iranian society through the lens of an artist who is defining the next generation. (2015, Iran, Rokhsareh Ghaem Maghami, 90 min, NR, English subtitles).” > On May 2, 2017, at 8:23 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Niloofar > > Thank you for sending the two young men to help, we managed to distribute all of the flyers related to Egypt. After they left I finished up 15 of the ones I printed out in relation to “The US Illegally Making War in the Mideast” with a map, the map has Iran in the center. A good one that Carl created, and then I began passing out your flyers. This resulted in a really good conversation with a young man, of Syrian heritage, who was really grateful for what we are doing. > > Austin went by later and explained that everyone in the building had a flyer in their hand and he couldn’t be seen as being political, and that was the only reason he asked me to take everything outside. We had a nice conversation too. So the young woman who questioned me, not rudely or even negatively, may have just been curious. > > I think all went very well, and a lot of flyers were disseminated. > > I’m looking forward to next week. From galliher at illinois.edu Wed May 3 03:32:31 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 22:32:31 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Proposed flyer (in color) for Sat. demo & for next Tuesday at the Art Theatre Message-ID: <43A518B6-3AEC-48D6-8EDA-69C5E1A5CDBE@illinois.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: flyer2017.04.rtfd.zip Type: application/zip Size: 101279 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed May 3 13:58:43 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 13:58:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Trumpsters v China & North Korea Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 8:58 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: Trumpsters v China & North Korea Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) https://soundcloud.com/kpfa-fm-94-1-berkeley/officials-thaad-missile-defense-system-in-south-korea-is-operational-opposition-resist-us-expansion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed May 3 16:33:35 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 16:33:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:32 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2017-05-03/court-order-shows-urbana-was-right.html Court order shows Urbana was right Wed, 05/03/2017 - 3:12am | The News-Gazette I have read the April 25 order issued by U.S. Judge William Orrick that prevents the Trump administration from withholding federal funds to San Francisco, Santa Clara County and other jurisdictions offering sanctuary to immigrants. It is consistent with the legal advice I gave the Urbana City Council in my three appearances before it in November-December 2016 on reaffirming Urbana as a sanctuary city. The Trump threat to withhold funds was a hollow threat intended to bully and intimidate Urbana et al., with no basis in law and in violation of laws and the Constitution. It was just like the Reagan administration's hollow and illegal threat made in 1986 to withhold funds under the Federal Revenue Sharing Act to bully and intimidate Urbana et al. from becoming an original sanctuary city. In both 1986 and again in 2016, Urbana stood up against hollow and illegal threats by Reagan and then Trump in order to do the right thing for the benefit of thousands of human beings. Urbana has been vindicated in Court. FRANCIS A. BOYLE Professor of Law University of Illinois Champaign From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Wed May 3 21:06:39 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 21:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Michael Hudson on Steven Keen References: <1195274803.2450415.1493845599283.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1195274803.2450415.1493845599283@mail.yahoo.com> "As a transition from todays debt stagnation, he suggests that the central banks create a lump sum to put into everyone’s account. Debtors would be required to use their gift to pay down the debt. Non-debtors would keep the transfer payment – so as not to let demagogic political opponents accuse this plan of rewarding the profligate.If this solution is not taken, debtors will continue to lumber on under debt and tax conditions where only about a third of their nominal wages are available to spend on the goods and services that labor produces. The circular flow between producers and consumers will shrink – being siphoned off by debt service and government taxes to bail out bankers instead of their victims.This should be what today’s politics is all about. It should be the politics of the future. But that requires an Economics of the Future – that is, Reality Economics."The Economics of the Future | | | | | | | | | | | The Economics of the Future At first glance Steve Keen’s new book Can We Avoid Another Financial Crisis? seems too small-sized at 147 pages.... | | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 4 01:00:29 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 01:00:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It’s my understanding that the “roundups” of immigrants in Champaign County, were in Champaign, as opposed to Urbana. There maybe other reasons, but the person I spoke with seemed to think it had something to do with Champaign, not becoming a “Sanctuary City,” whereas Urbana did. A choice their Mayor made. > On May 3, 2017, at 09:33, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:32 AM > To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com > > http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2017-05-03/court-order-shows-urbana-was-right.html > Court order shows Urbana was right > > > > > > Wed, 05/03/2017 - 3:12am | The News-Gazette > > > I have read the April 25 order issued by U.S. Judge William Orrick that prevents the Trump administration from withholding federal funds to San Francisco, Santa Clara County and other jurisdictions offering sanctuary to immigrants. > > It is consistent with the legal advice I gave the Urbana City Council in my three appearances before it in November-December 2016 on reaffirming Urbana as a sanctuary city. > > The Trump threat to withhold funds was a hollow threat intended to bully and intimidate Urbana et al., with no basis in law and in violation of laws and the Constitution. > > It was just like the Reagan administration's hollow and illegal threat made in 1986 to withhold funds under the Federal Revenue Sharing Act to bully and intimidate Urbana et al. from becoming an original sanctuary city. > > In both 1986 and again in 2016, Urbana stood up against hollow and illegal threats by Reagan and then Trump in order to do the right thing for the benefit of thousands of human beings. > > Urbana has been vindicated in Court. > > FRANCIS A. BOYLE > > > > > > Professor of Law > > University of Illinois > > Champaign From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu May 4 01:06:24 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 01:06:24 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, they stiffed us in Champaign. Just like they did in 1986. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 8:00 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: Re: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com It’s my understanding that the “roundups” of immigrants in Champaign County, were in Champaign, as opposed to Urbana. There maybe other reasons, but the person I spoke with seemed to think it had something to do with Champaign, not becoming a “Sanctuary City,” whereas Urbana did. A choice their Mayor made. > On May 3, 2017, at 09:33, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:32 AM > To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com > > http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2017-05-03/court-order-shows-urbana-was-right.html > Court order shows Urbana was right > > > > > > Wed, 05/03/2017 - 3:12am | The News-Gazette > > > I have read the April 25 order issued by U.S. Judge William Orrick that prevents the Trump administration from withholding federal funds to San Francisco, Santa Clara County and other jurisdictions offering sanctuary to immigrants. > > It is consistent with the legal advice I gave the Urbana City Council in my three appearances before it in November-December 2016 on reaffirming Urbana as a sanctuary city. > > The Trump threat to withhold funds was a hollow threat intended to bully and intimidate Urbana et al., with no basis in law and in violation of laws and the Constitution. > > It was just like the Reagan administration's hollow and illegal threat made in 1986 to withhold funds under the Federal Revenue Sharing Act to bully and intimidate Urbana et al. from becoming an original sanctuary city. > > In both 1986 and again in 2016, Urbana stood up against hollow and illegal threats by Reagan and then Trump in order to do the right thing for the benefit of thousands of human beings. > > Urbana has been vindicated in Court. > > FRANCIS A. BOYLE > > > > > > Professor of Law > > University of Illinois > > Champaign From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu May 4 10:31:58 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 10:31:58 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com References: Message-ID: And let all these Trump human rights atrocities taking place for Undocumented in Champaign be on Feinen's Head for the rest of eternity. She is a lawyer. She knows better. She was warned. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 8:06 PM To: 'Karen Aram' Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com Yeah, they stiffed us in Champaign. Just like they did in 1986. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 8:00 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: Re: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com It’s my understanding that the “roundups” of immigrants in Champaign County, were in Champaign, as opposed to Urbana. There maybe other reasons, but the person I spoke with seemed to think it had something to do with Champaign, not becoming a “Sanctuary City,” whereas Urbana did. A choice their Mayor made. > On May 3, 2017, at 09:33, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:32 AM > To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com > > http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2017-05-03/court-order-shows-urbana-was-right.html > Court order shows Urbana was right > > > > > > Wed, 05/03/2017 - 3:12am | The News-Gazette > > > I have read the April 25 order issued by U.S. Judge William Orrick that prevents the Trump administration from withholding federal funds to San Francisco, Santa Clara County and other jurisdictions offering sanctuary to immigrants. > > It is consistent with the legal advice I gave the Urbana City Council in my three appearances before it in November-December 2016 on reaffirming Urbana as a sanctuary city. > > The Trump threat to withhold funds was a hollow threat intended to bully and intimidate Urbana et al., with no basis in law and in violation of laws and the Constitution. > > It was just like the Reagan administration's hollow and illegal threat made in 1986 to withhold funds under the Federal Revenue Sharing Act to bully and intimidate Urbana et al. from becoming an original sanctuary city. > > In both 1986 and again in 2016, Urbana stood up against hollow and illegal threats by Reagan and then Trump in order to do the right thing for the benefit of thousands of human beings. > > Urbana has been vindicated in Court. > > FRANCIS A. BOYLE > > > > > > Professor of Law > > University of Illinois > > Champaign From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 4 12:18:46 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 12:18:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: emergency rally at Davis' officeThursday 9 a.m. References: Message-ID: > > > The House of Representatives will vote on the American Health Care > Act, the bill to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, on > Thursday in the early afternoon. We need you at Congressman Davis' > office at 9 am Thursday morning to remind him that his constituents DO > NOT want the ACA repealed. Bring 3 people with you. > > ADDITIONALLY: > The House Rules Committee is accepting comments on the bill through > the night: 202-225-9191 > > Call Governor Rauner and tell him to stand up for the ACA. Repeal of > the ACA would be devastating to the state of Illinois. > Springfield Phone: 217-782-0244 > Chicago Phone: 217-782-0244 > > Share the Facebook event. > > https://www.facebook.com/events/534255910295229/?notif_t=event_calendar_create¬if_id=1493863428175822 > > If you can't be there at 9, be there when you can. We need to be at > Davis' office until the vote is canceled. > > Congressman Rodney Davis -Champaign District Office > 2004 Fox Drive > Champaign, IL 61820 > > This event is organized by The People’s Agenda. > > From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 4 12:27:35 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 12:27:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Laughter for the day. Tears for women Message-ID: The UN voting the Saudi’s in charge of “women’s rights”. A woman, in the US, being arrested during the Congressional appointment of Jeff Sessions as Attorney General, when she laughed at hearing a speaker say, “Sessions treated all people equally.” From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu May 4 13:06:05 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 13:06:05 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As I said before, going door to door against us back in 1986 were: 1. The American Nazi Party; 2. The Ku Klux Klan; 3. Shlaffly's Eagle Forum; 4. The Republican Party of Champaign County. Birds of a feather still flock together in Champaign. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:32 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com And let all these Trump human rights atrocities taking place for Undocumented in Champaign be on Feinen's Head for the rest of eternity. She is a lawyer. She knows better. She was warned. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 8:06 PM To: 'Karen Aram' Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com Yeah, they stiffed us in Champaign. Just like they did in 1986. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 8:00 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: Re: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com It’s my understanding that the “roundups” of immigrants in Champaign County, were in Champaign, as opposed to Urbana. There maybe other reasons, but the person I spoke with seemed to think it had something to do with Champaign, not becoming a “Sanctuary City,” whereas Urbana did. A choice their Mayor made. > On May 3, 2017, at 09:33, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:32 AM > To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com > > http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2017-05-03/court-order-shows-urbana-was-right.html > Court order shows Urbana was right > > > > > > Wed, 05/03/2017 - 3:12am | The News-Gazette > > > I have read the April 25 order issued by U.S. Judge William Orrick that prevents the Trump administration from withholding federal funds to San Francisco, Santa Clara County and other jurisdictions offering sanctuary to immigrants. > > It is consistent with the legal advice I gave the Urbana City Council in my three appearances before it in November-December 2016 on reaffirming Urbana as a sanctuary city. > > The Trump threat to withhold funds was a hollow threat intended to bully and intimidate Urbana et al., with no basis in law and in violation of laws and the Constitution. > > It was just like the Reagan administration's hollow and illegal threat made in 1986 to withhold funds under the Federal Revenue Sharing Act to bully and intimidate Urbana et al. from becoming an original sanctuary city. > > In both 1986 and again in 2016, Urbana stood up against hollow and illegal threats by Reagan and then Trump in order to do the right thing for the benefit of thousands of human beings. > > Urbana has been vindicated in Court. > > FRANCIS A. BOYLE > > > > > > Professor of Law > > University of Illinois > > Champaign From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu May 4 13:46:15 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 13:46:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Champaign is hopelessly racist against People of Color. A few years ago I had a 2 hour meeting with the Champaign Police Chief to stop their racist profiling of Latinos--I had no authority to speak for African Americans, so I did not. They have their own Leaders. But everyone knows the Champaign Police practice racist profiling against African Americans. In any event, for two hours the Champaign Police Chief and his top Lieutenant adamantly denied that they did any racist profiling of Latinos. So I suspect that the racist Champaign Police are cooperating with ICE today against Latino Undocumented. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 8:06 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com As I said before, going door to door against us back in 1986 were: 1. The American Nazi Party; 2. The Ku Klux Klan; 3. Shlaffly's Eagle Forum; 4. The Republican Party of Champaign County. Birds of a feather still flock together in Champaign. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:32 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com And let all these Trump human rights atrocities taking place for Undocumented in Champaign be on Feinen's Head for the rest of eternity. She is a lawyer. She knows better. She was warned. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 8:06 PM To: 'Karen Aram' Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com Yeah, they stiffed us in Champaign. Just like they did in 1986. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 8:00 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: Re: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com It’s my understanding that the “roundups” of immigrants in Champaign County, were in Champaign, as opposed to Urbana. There maybe other reasons, but the person I spoke with seemed to think it had something to do with Champaign, not becoming a “Sanctuary City,” whereas Urbana did. A choice their Mayor made. > On May 3, 2017, at 09:33, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:32 AM > To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com > > http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2017-05-03/court-order-shows-urbana-was-right.html > Court order shows Urbana was right > > > > > > Wed, 05/03/2017 - 3:12am | The News-Gazette > > > I have read the April 25 order issued by U.S. Judge William Orrick that prevents the Trump administration from withholding federal funds to San Francisco, Santa Clara County and other jurisdictions offering sanctuary to immigrants. > > It is consistent with the legal advice I gave the Urbana City Council in my three appearances before it in November-December 2016 on reaffirming Urbana as a sanctuary city. > > The Trump threat to withhold funds was a hollow threat intended to bully and intimidate Urbana et al., with no basis in law and in violation of laws and the Constitution. > > It was just like the Reagan administration's hollow and illegal threat made in 1986 to withhold funds under the Federal Revenue Sharing Act to bully and intimidate Urbana et al. from becoming an original sanctuary city. > > In both 1986 and again in 2016, Urbana stood up against hollow and illegal threats by Reagan and then Trump in order to do the right thing for the benefit of thousands of human beings. > > Urbana has been vindicated in Court. > > FRANCIS A. BOYLE > > > > > > Professor of Law > > University of Illinois > > Champaign From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 4 19:18:31 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 19:18:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: News Alert: House passes Obamacare repeal References: <2050975177.5010.1493924498611.JavaMail.nobody@prd-10-60-169-73.nodes.56m.dmtio.net> Message-ID: In a major victory for President Donald Trump, the House has narrowly voted 217-213 to dismantle the pillars of the Affordable Care Act and make sweeping changes to the nation's health care system. The bill now heads to the Senate, where it faces daunting challenges because of the same ideological splits between conservative and moderate Republicans that nearly killed it in the House. GOP lawmakers are expected to take buses from Capitol Hill to take part in a celebratory White House news conference with Trump. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu May 4 20:24:32 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 20:24:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just to clarify: I was asked to meet with and negotiate with the racist Champaign Police Chief and his Racist Lieutenant on behalf of the Undocumented Latino Migrants in Champaign County. Obviously, they could not do so themselves. Plus ca change...with Racist Champaign. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 8:46 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com Champaign is hopelessly racist against People of Color. A few years ago I had a 2 hour meeting with the Champaign Police Chief to stop their racist profiling of Latinos--I had no authority to speak for African Americans, so I did not. They have their own Leaders. But everyone knows the Champaign Police practice racist profiling against African Americans. In any event, for two hours the Champaign Police Chief and his top Lieutenant adamantly denied that they did any racist profiling of Latinos. So I suspect that the racist Champaign Police are cooperating with ICE today against Latino Undocumented. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 8:06 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com As I said before, going door to door against us back in 1986 were: 1. The American Nazi Party; 2. The Ku Klux Klan; 3. Shlaffly's Eagle Forum; 4. The Republican Party of Champaign County. Birds of a feather still flock together in Champaign. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:32 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com And let all these Trump human rights atrocities taking place for Undocumented in Champaign be on Feinen's Head for the rest of eternity. She is a lawyer. She knows better. She was warned. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 8:06 PM To: 'Karen Aram' Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com Yeah, they stiffed us in Champaign. Just like they did in 1986. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 8:00 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: Re: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com It’s my understanding that the “roundups” of immigrants in Champaign County, were in Champaign, as opposed to Urbana. There maybe other reasons, but the person I spoke with seemed to think it had something to do with Champaign, not becoming a “Sanctuary City,” whereas Urbana did. A choice their Mayor made. > On May 3, 2017, at 09:33, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:32 AM > To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Court order shows Urbana was right | News-Gazette.com > > http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2017-05-03/court-order-shows-urbana-was-right.html > Court order shows Urbana was right > > > > > > Wed, 05/03/2017 - 3:12am | The News-Gazette > > > I have read the April 25 order issued by U.S. Judge William Orrick that prevents the Trump administration from withholding federal funds to San Francisco, Santa Clara County and other jurisdictions offering sanctuary to immigrants. > > It is consistent with the legal advice I gave the Urbana City Council in my three appearances before it in November-December 2016 on reaffirming Urbana as a sanctuary city. > > The Trump threat to withhold funds was a hollow threat intended to bully and intimidate Urbana et al., with no basis in law and in violation of laws and the Constitution. > > It was just like the Reagan administration's hollow and illegal threat made in 1986 to withhold funds under the Federal Revenue Sharing Act to bully and intimidate Urbana et al. from becoming an original sanctuary city. > > In both 1986 and again in 2016, Urbana stood up against hollow and illegal threats by Reagan and then Trump in order to do the right thing for the benefit of thousands of human beings. > > Urbana has been vindicated in Court. > > FRANCIS A. BOYLE > > > > > > Professor of Law > > University of Illinois > > Champaign From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri May 5 11:59:59 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 11:59:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Human Rights.......Counterpunch Message-ID: [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/06/cp5.png] Fearless Muckraking Since 1993 [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/05/JoinList-new.png] * HOME * ARTICLES * MAGAZINE * SUBSCRIBE * DONATE * ARCHIVES * ABOUT * BOOKS * PODCASTS * FAQS MAY 5, 2017 Human Rights and the Arrogance of Power by BRIAN CLOUGHLEY * * * * Email * * [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/07/print-sp.png] International policy statements sometimes attract attention because they deal with serious matters, such as human rights, concerning which an important speech was made to the UN Security Council on April 18 by US Ambassador Nikki Haley. Ambassador Haley declared that “When a state begins to systematically violate human rights, it is a sign, it is a red flag, it’s a blaring siren – one of the clearest possible indicators that instability and violence may follow and spill across borders.” She singled out Burma, Cuba, Burundi, Iran, North Korea and Syria for censure and urged the nations of the world to adopt a policy of “standing for human rights before the absence of human rights forces us to react.” So it seems that the United States wishes to lead the world in penalizing countries judged guilty of violating human rights, which is a principled and admirable stance. It is appalling that so many countries have no “respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion” as laid down in the UN Charter and quoted poignantly by Ambassador Haley. And one most effective action that human rights-abiding governments could take to ensure that offending countries would cease their hideous abuses against their citizens would be to end all cooperation with them because, as she observed, “It’s past time that we dedicate ourselves to promoting peace, security, and human rights.” We must agree with Ambassador Haley, because it is indeed “past time” that the United States dedicated itself to promoting peace. Perhaps it has been recognized that the United States failed to do that by invading Iraq, blitzing Libya, and engaging in its longest-ever war, still being waged in Afghanistan. In addition to killing many thousands of innocent people these conflicts created millions of refugees, while radicalizing citizens of all strata and resulting in expansion of Islamic State terrorism. Then Ambassador Haley rightly warned that “if this Council fails to take human rights violations and abuses seriously, they can escalate into real threats to international peace and security,” and we must hope that this message struck home around the world. Many countries are guilty of human rights violations, as documented in the US State Department’s Human Rights Report of March 3, but it was intriguing that, contrary to long-established custom, the Secretary of State, Mr Rex Tillerson, did not present the report in person in spite of Ambassador Haley’s emphasis on the importance of “standing for human rights” and his declaration that “our values are our interests when it comes to human rights.” But when the Report is examined in detail it is obvious why Secretary Tillerson was reluctant to enthuse about his Department’s findings, because some of them don’t fit in with public pronouncements concerning the essentiality of human rights in all countries. One inconsistency concerns Turkey whose President Erdogan recently won a referendum granting him almost total power. The first head of state to congratulate him was President Trump “shortly after international monitors delivered a harsh verdict on the referendum on constitutional changes. They found that the opposition campaign had been restricted and media coverage was imbalanced, and that the electoral authority had unfairly changed the rules after polls had opened.” Further, Mr Trump’s State Department reported that “multiple articles in the penal code directly restrict press freedom and free speech” while “the government continued to prosecute at least one judge and four prosecutors involved in pursuing charges in connection with a major corruption scandal in 2013 that involved then prime minister Erdogan, his children, and close political advisors and business associates.” Other than Mr Trump, not many heads of state congratulated Erdogan, but one who did was King Salman of Saudi Arabia where violations of human rights include “citizens’ lack of the ability and legal means to choose their government; restrictions on universal rights, such as freedom of expression, including on the internet, and the freedoms of assembly, association, movement, and religion; and pervasive gender discrimination and lack of equal rights that affected most aspects of women’s lives.” This oppressive dictatorship is valuedby Washington for “playing an important leadership role in working toward a peaceful and prosperous future for the region,” while being “the United States’ largest foreign military sales customer, with nearly $100 billion in active cases.” Saudi Arabia enjoys “close friendship and cooperation” with the United States although it is recorded by the State Department that “civil law does not protect human rights, including freedom of speech and the press,” while Ambassador Haley declares that “When a state begins to systematically violate human rights, it is a sign, it is a red flag, it’s a blaring siren . . . ” Then there is another valued ally of the United States, Bahrain, whose king is also an autocrat with “the power to amend the constitution and to propose, ratify, and promulgate laws.” His penal code specifies penalties of “no less than one year and no more than seven years in prison, plus a fine, for anyone who ‘offends the monarch of the Kingdom of Bahrain’.” His country “plays a key role in regional security architecture and is a vital US partner in defence initiatives” as the base for the US Navy’s nuclear-armed Fifth Fleet which demonstrates US military power in the Persian Gulf. The State Department records reports of “torture, abuse, and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment” in Bahrain, while “societal discrimination continued against the Shia population, as did other forms of discrimination based on gender, religion, and nationality.” These are exactly the sort of tyrannical human rights’ abuses denounced so vehemently by Ambassador Haley who described the United States as “the moral conscience of the world.” There are complications, however, in ordering Bahrain’s ruler to cease torture and other inhuman punishment because, as Bloomberg reported, there were two related developments on March 29. First, the commander US Central Command, General Joseph Votel, told a Congressional Committee that “foreign arms sales to allies shouldn’t be burdened with preconditions tied to human rights because they could damage military-to-military ties” and singled out Bahrain as an example. Then “the State Department told Congress it backs the sale of 19 Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters to Bahrain [for $2.7 billion] without preconditions on improved human rights previously demanded by the Obama administration.” And suddenly the country with “the moral conscience of the world” looks a trifle off-balance, because you (as an individual, a nation or an international organization) can’t have it both ways. Either you condemn human rights abuses totally and unconditionally, or you accept them in like manner. It is a moral travesty to accept a little bit of torture or a morsel of gender discrimination. For example, how much torture is permissible? Two shrieks or three? It should be heart-warming to hear the ambassador of the United States to the United Nations delivering ethical lectures in the Security Council about how other countries should behave in regard to human rights. But it isn’t much good preaching about human rights and then embracing a policy conveying the message that if a country has “strong military ties” with the United States then it is of no consequence if it persists in “torture, abuse, and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment” of its citizens. It is bizarre that that any such country can continue to enjoy “close friendship and cooperation” with the United States This is an in-your-face example of the arrogance of power. And the likes of General Votel, who declares that “foreign arms sales to allies shouldn’t be burdened with preconditions tied to human rights because they could damage military-to-military ties,” personify that swaggering vanity. He and his ilk will prosper, while the country with “the moral conscience of the world” makes money and extends its power by supporting dictators who exercise “discrimination based on gender, religion, and nationality.” Spare us the humbug. 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Ambassador Haley declared that “When a state begins to systematically violate human rights, it is a sign, it is a red flag, it’s a blaring siren – one of the clearest possible indicators that instability and violence may follow and spill across borders.” She singled out Burma, Cuba, Burundi, Iran, North Korea and Syria for censure and urged the nations of the world to adopt a policy of “standing for human rights before the absence of human rights forces us to react.” So it seems that the United States wishes to lead the world in penalizing countries judged guilty of violating human rights, which is a principled and admirable stance. It is appalling that so many countries have no “respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion” as laid down in the UN Charter and quoted poignantly by Ambassador Haley. And one most effective action that human rights-abiding governments could take to ensure that offending countries would cease their hideous abuses against their citizens would be to end all cooperation with them because, as she observed, “It’s past time that we dedicate ourselves to promoting peace, security, and human rights.” We must agree with Ambassador Haley, because it is indeed “past time” that the United States dedicated itself to promoting peace. Perhaps it has been recognized that the United States failed to do that by invading Iraq, blitzing Libya, and engaging in its longest-ever war, still being waged in Afghanistan. In addition to killing many thousands of innocent people these conflicts created millions of refugees, while radicalizing citizens of all strata and resulting in expansion of Islamic State terrorism. Then Ambassador Haley rightly warned that “if this Council fails to take human rights violations and abuses seriously, they can escalate into real threats to international peace and security,” and we must hope that this message struck home around the world. Many countries are guilty of human rights violations, as documented in the US State Department’s Human Rights Report of March 3, but it was intriguing that, contrary to long-established custom, the Secretary of State, Mr Rex Tillerson, did not present the report in person in spite of Ambassador Haley’s emphasis on the importance of “standing for human rights” and his declaration that “our values are our interests when it comes to human rights.” But when the Report is examined in detail it is obvious why Secretary Tillerson was reluctant to enthuse about his Department’s findings, because some of them don’t fit in with public pronouncements concerning the essentiality of human rights in all countries. One inconsistency concerns Turkey whose President Erdogan recently won a referendum granting him almost total power. The first head of state to congratulate him was President Trump “shortly after international monitors delivered a harsh verdict on the referendum on constitutional changes. They found that the opposition campaign had been restricted and media coverage was imbalanced, and that the electoral authority had unfairly changed the rules after polls had opened.” Further, Mr Trump’s State Department reported that “multiple articles in the penal code directly restrict press freedom and free speech” while “the government continued to prosecute at least one judge and four prosecutors involved in pursuing charges in connection with a major corruption scandal in 2013 that involved then prime minister Erdogan, his children, and close political advisors and business associates.” Other than Mr Trump, not many heads of state congratulated Erdogan, but one who did was King Salman of Saudi Arabia where violations of human rights include “citizens’ lack of the ability and legal means to choose their government; restrictions on universal rights, such as freedom of expression, including on the internet, and the freedoms of assembly, association, movement, and religion; and pervasive gender discrimination and lack of equal rights that affected most aspects of women’s lives.” This oppressive dictatorship is valuedby Washington for “playing an important leadership role in working toward a peaceful and prosperous future for the region,” while being “the United States’ largest foreign military sales customer, with nearly $100 billion in active cases.” Saudi Arabia enjoys “close friendship and cooperation” with the United States although it is recorded by the State Department that “civil law does not protect human rights, including freedom of speech and the press,” while Ambassador Haley declares that “When a state begins to systematically violate human rights, it is a sign, it is a red flag, it’s a blaring siren . . . ” Then there is another valued ally of the United States, Bahrain, whose king is also an autocrat with “the power to amend the constitution and to propose, ratify, and promulgate laws.” His penal code specifies penalties of “no less than one year and no more than seven years in prison, plus a fine, for anyone who ‘offends the monarch of the Kingdom of Bahrain’.” His country “plays a key role in regional security architecture and is a vital US partner in defence initiatives” as the base for the US Navy’s nuclear-armed Fifth Fleet which demonstrates US military power in the Persian Gulf. The State Department records reports of “torture, abuse, and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment” in Bahrain, while “societal discrimination continued against the Shia population, as did other forms of discrimination based on gender, religion, and nationality.” These are exactly the sort of tyrannical human rights’ abuses denounced so vehemently by Ambassador Haley who described the United States as “the moral conscience of the world.” There are complications, however, in ordering Bahrain’s ruler to cease torture and other inhuman punishment because, as Bloomberg reported, there were two related developments on March 29. First, the commander US Central Command, General Joseph Votel, told a Congressional Committee that “foreign arms sales to allies shouldn’t be burdened with preconditions tied to human rights because they could damage military-to-military ties” and singled out Bahrain as an example. Then “the State Department told Congress it backs the sale of 19 Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters to Bahrain [for $2.7 billion] without preconditions on improved human rights previously demanded by the Obama administration.” And suddenly the country with “the moral conscience of the world” looks a trifle off-balance, because you (as an individual, a nation or an international organization) can’t have it both ways. Either you condemn human rights abuses totally and unconditionally, or you accept them in like manner. It is a moral travesty to accept a little bit of torture or a morsel of gender discrimination. For example, how much torture is permissible? Two shrieks or three? It should be heart-warming to hear the ambassador of the United States to the United Nations delivering ethical lectures in the Security Council about how other countries should behave in regard to human rights. But it isn’t much good preaching about human rights and then embracing a policy conveying the message that if a country has “strong military ties” with the United States then it is of no consequence if it persists in “torture, abuse, and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment” of its citizens. It is bizarre that that any such country can continue to enjoy “close friendship and cooperation” with the United States This is an in-your-face example of the arrogance of power. And the likes of General Votel, who declares that “foreign arms sales to allies shouldn’t be burdened with preconditions tied to human rights because they could damage military-to-military ties,” personify that swaggering vanity. He and his ilk will prosper, while the country with “the moral conscience of the world” makes money and extends its power by supporting dictators who exercise “discrimination based on gender, religion, and nationality.” Spare us the humbug. Join the debate on Facebook Brian Cloughley writes about foreign policy and military affairs. He lives in Voutenay sur Cure, France. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 6 01:58:35 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 01:58:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Human cost of the US Mexico border: Message-ID: The human cost of the US-Mexico border: More than 6,000 bodies found since 2000 5 May 2017 Between 2000 and 2016, the US Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) has discovered the remains of 6,023 undocumented people who died crossing from Mexico into the United States. This shocking figure, cited in a May 4 article in the New York Times, underreports the total death toll. According to one Texas sheriff, “I would say for every one [body] we find, we’re probably missing five.” That is, the number of undiscovered bodies could be in the tens of thousands. Bodies turn up along the US-Mexico border “with stunning regularity,” the Times report notes. In one border area, Brooks County, Texas, 550 bodies have been discovered since January 2009, the month of Barack Obama’s inauguration. At a single ranch in Texas, 31 bodies have been discovered since 2014. CBP unceremoniously throws some of the bodies together in “cluster graves,” often without removing them from biohazard bags. Many of the bodies are unrecognizable, charred from the desert sun or picked away by vultures. Along well-traveled migrant paths, “the dead line the way.” Cadavers belonging to children are found alongside their stuffed animals. One woman who froze to death was found wearing a plastic trash bag for warmth. In 2015, Francisco Gonzalez, a former machinist from Mexico, called emergency services from the middle of the desert, begging border patrol to arrest him to save his life. He told the dispatcher he was returning to the US to meet his newborn daughter for the first time, after having been deported for driving under the influence by the Obama administration. When officials could not locate him, Gonzalez gave the dispatcher his wife’s phone number and said, “Call her and tell her I didn’t make it. Call her and tell her I love her and for her to take care of our baby.” He died in the desert shortly thereafter. Daniel Martinez, an assistant professor of sociology at George Washington University, told the Times, “If this were any other context, if these were deaths as a result of a mass flood or an earthquake or a major plane crash, people would be talking about this being a mass disaster.” Indeed, the Times notes that the total number of bodies is greater than the total number killed in the September 11, 2001 attacks and Hurricane Katrina combined. And despite the drop in immigration since the election of Donald Trump, the number of bodies found in the first months of 2017 already equals the number found in all of 2010. The mass casualties along the US-Mexico border are the outcome of deliberate policies of the US government, both Democrat and Republican, going back at least two decades. Under programs like “Operation Gatekeeper” and “Operation Hold-the-Line,” first enacted under Democratic President Bill Clinton in the mid-1990s, the government secured heavily populated border crossings with military defenses and increased patrols concentrated in cities like San Diego, California and El Paso, Texas. The consequence was entirely predictable and indeed predicted. Immigrants fleeing economic and political crisis were forced to cross through deadly desert regions, where temperature can exceed 120 degrees Fahrenheit (49 degrees Celsius). Further barriers to entry were erected under Bush (including with the Secure Fence Act of 2006, supported by Democrats) and under Obama. The “deporter-in-chief” Obama signed legislation in 2010 that further militarized the US border with the use of Predator drones, and deployed 1,500 National Guard troops to keep out desperate migrants. Now, under Trump, the American ruling class is going even further. Along with the construction of a “wall” on the US-Mexico border, Trump is pledging to “unshackle” border control agents, who function as a modern-day Gestapo. The Trump administration has already deported tens of thousands and plans on hiring thousands of immigration and border control officials. Mass detention centers established under Obama are being doubled in size, and the federal government is working with police agencies across the country to round up immigrants. The Trump administration has established a program, known as VOICE, the aim of which is to publicly denounce immigrants charged with crimes in a manner similar to the Nazi press’s attacks against Jewish criminal defendants in the 1930s. The refugee crisis is the product of imperialism and the irrational capitalist nation-state system. The thousands of impoverished people who die in the US deserts are fleeing poverty and war caused by decades of imperialist exploitation and US military intervention across every corner of the world. The US laid waste to the entire Central American isthmus, backing dictators, funding death squads, and fanning the flames of civil wars which left hundreds of thousands dead through the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. The story is the same in the Middle East and North Africa, where a record number of migrants are escaping US-backed wars in Syria, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Somalia, and elsewhere, desperately seeking refuge in Europe and drowning by the thousands in the Mediterranean Sea. In 2015, the UN reported that there are an unprecedented 65.3 million refugees, more than the entire population of the United Kingdom. Advances in technology have brought humanity to a level of world interconnectivity that would have been unthinkable even 30 years ago. Cell phones, the Internet, global supply chains, and advances in transportation mean that residents of the world’s most isolated villages can communicate with friends and loved ones in the world’s metropolises and learn of world events at the swipe of a finger. But the potential for human progress is restrained by the fact that a handful of exploiters control the world’s productive forces and dictate the policies of governments. As a result, conflicts between nation states intensify and a third world war is an immediate possibility. Far-right parties in the US, UK, France, Germany and elsewhere are being brought into government, directing popular opposition to inequality and poverty against immigrants. Under the banner of national supremacy each major power, as Leon Trotsky wrote in his 1934 essay Nationalism and Economic Life, is “protecting himself by a customs wall and a hedge of bayonets.” The Socialist Equality Party opposes the division of the world into competing nation states and opposes all forms of nationalism, the poisonous ideology of this outdated system. As the 18th century philosopher Montesquieu said, “I am necessarily a man, only accidentally am I French.” The SEP insists that all people have the right to travel safely as they choose, without visas, passports, or the threat of harassment or deportation. WSWS.ORG Eric London -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 6 01:58:35 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 01:58:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Human cost of the US Mexico border: Message-ID: The human cost of the US-Mexico border: More than 6,000 bodies found since 2000 5 May 2017 Between 2000 and 2016, the US Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) has discovered the remains of 6,023 undocumented people who died crossing from Mexico into the United States. This shocking figure, cited in a May 4 article in the New York Times, underreports the total death toll. According to one Texas sheriff, “I would say for every one [body] we find, we’re probably missing five.” That is, the number of undiscovered bodies could be in the tens of thousands. Bodies turn up along the US-Mexico border “with stunning regularity,” the Times report notes. In one border area, Brooks County, Texas, 550 bodies have been discovered since January 2009, the month of Barack Obama’s inauguration. At a single ranch in Texas, 31 bodies have been discovered since 2014. CBP unceremoniously throws some of the bodies together in “cluster graves,” often without removing them from biohazard bags. Many of the bodies are unrecognizable, charred from the desert sun or picked away by vultures. Along well-traveled migrant paths, “the dead line the way.” Cadavers belonging to children are found alongside their stuffed animals. One woman who froze to death was found wearing a plastic trash bag for warmth. In 2015, Francisco Gonzalez, a former machinist from Mexico, called emergency services from the middle of the desert, begging border patrol to arrest him to save his life. He told the dispatcher he was returning to the US to meet his newborn daughter for the first time, after having been deported for driving under the influence by the Obama administration. When officials could not locate him, Gonzalez gave the dispatcher his wife’s phone number and said, “Call her and tell her I didn’t make it. Call her and tell her I love her and for her to take care of our baby.” He died in the desert shortly thereafter. Daniel Martinez, an assistant professor of sociology at George Washington University, told the Times, “If this were any other context, if these were deaths as a result of a mass flood or an earthquake or a major plane crash, people would be talking about this being a mass disaster.” Indeed, the Times notes that the total number of bodies is greater than the total number killed in the September 11, 2001 attacks and Hurricane Katrina combined. And despite the drop in immigration since the election of Donald Trump, the number of bodies found in the first months of 2017 already equals the number found in all of 2010. The mass casualties along the US-Mexico border are the outcome of deliberate policies of the US government, both Democrat and Republican, going back at least two decades. Under programs like “Operation Gatekeeper” and “Operation Hold-the-Line,” first enacted under Democratic President Bill Clinton in the mid-1990s, the government secured heavily populated border crossings with military defenses and increased patrols concentrated in cities like San Diego, California and El Paso, Texas. The consequence was entirely predictable and indeed predicted. Immigrants fleeing economic and political crisis were forced to cross through deadly desert regions, where temperature can exceed 120 degrees Fahrenheit (49 degrees Celsius). Further barriers to entry were erected under Bush (including with the Secure Fence Act of 2006, supported by Democrats) and under Obama. The “deporter-in-chief” Obama signed legislation in 2010 that further militarized the US border with the use of Predator drones, and deployed 1,500 National Guard troops to keep out desperate migrants. Now, under Trump, the American ruling class is going even further. Along with the construction of a “wall” on the US-Mexico border, Trump is pledging to “unshackle” border control agents, who function as a modern-day Gestapo. The Trump administration has already deported tens of thousands and plans on hiring thousands of immigration and border control officials. Mass detention centers established under Obama are being doubled in size, and the federal government is working with police agencies across the country to round up immigrants. The Trump administration has established a program, known as VOICE, the aim of which is to publicly denounce immigrants charged with crimes in a manner similar to the Nazi press’s attacks against Jewish criminal defendants in the 1930s. The refugee crisis is the product of imperialism and the irrational capitalist nation-state system. The thousands of impoverished people who die in the US deserts are fleeing poverty and war caused by decades of imperialist exploitation and US military intervention across every corner of the world. The US laid waste to the entire Central American isthmus, backing dictators, funding death squads, and fanning the flames of civil wars which left hundreds of thousands dead through the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. The story is the same in the Middle East and North Africa, where a record number of migrants are escaping US-backed wars in Syria, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Somalia, and elsewhere, desperately seeking refuge in Europe and drowning by the thousands in the Mediterranean Sea. In 2015, the UN reported that there are an unprecedented 65.3 million refugees, more than the entire population of the United Kingdom. Advances in technology have brought humanity to a level of world interconnectivity that would have been unthinkable even 30 years ago. Cell phones, the Internet, global supply chains, and advances in transportation mean that residents of the world’s most isolated villages can communicate with friends and loved ones in the world’s metropolises and learn of world events at the swipe of a finger. But the potential for human progress is restrained by the fact that a handful of exploiters control the world’s productive forces and dictate the policies of governments. As a result, conflicts between nation states intensify and a third world war is an immediate possibility. Far-right parties in the US, UK, France, Germany and elsewhere are being brought into government, directing popular opposition to inequality and poverty against immigrants. Under the banner of national supremacy each major power, as Leon Trotsky wrote in his 1934 essay Nationalism and Economic Life, is “protecting himself by a customs wall and a hedge of bayonets.” The Socialist Equality Party opposes the division of the world into competing nation states and opposes all forms of nationalism, the poisonous ideology of this outdated system. As the 18th century philosopher Montesquieu said, “I am necessarily a man, only accidentally am I French.” The SEP insists that all people have the right to travel safely as they choose, without visas, passports, or the threat of harassment or deportation. WSWS.ORG Eric London -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat May 6 03:46:52 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. 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I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steve Salaita. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 6 15:13:52 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 15:13:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Redacted tonight, Lee Camp nails it. Message-ID: https://www.rt.com/shows/redacted-tonight-summary/387321-obama-wall-street-dnc/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 6 15:13:52 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 15:13:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Redacted tonight, Lee Camp nails it. 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I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steve Salaita. Fab.     Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only)   _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat May 6 15:26:34 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 15:26:34 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? Message-ID: Steve was lynched by all the die-hard anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this Campus and in this Community, including and especially "Wise" {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:14 AM To: 'Dan Corkery' Subject: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steven Salaita. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat May 6 16:51:14 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 16:51:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita Message-ID: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks By Fired and Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illiniwaks: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all! The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational Cult of Chief Illiniwak Anthro 101 A required course To get our degrees >From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:27 AM To: 'David Green' ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: FW: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? Steve was lynched by all the die-hard anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this Campus and in this Community, including and especially "Wise" {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:14 AM To: 'Dan Corkery' > Subject: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steven Salaita. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat May 6 17:19:53 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 17:19:53 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita Message-ID: And if I remember correctly-and people can correct me if I am wrong--this "Statement" was also signed by the President of the University of Illiniwaks and the Chancellors of the University of Illiniwaks in Chicago and Springfield too. They have never apologized for their Racist Lynching of Steve Salaita. So of course there has been no improvement in the marked hostility against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color on this campus. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 11:51 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; Estabrook, Carl G ; 'Karen Aram' Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks By Fired and Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illiniwaks: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all! The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational Cult of Chief Illiniwak Anthro 101 A required course To get our degrees >From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:27 AM To: 'David Green' >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK >; Jay Becker >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; Karen Aram >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? Steve was lynched by all the die-hard anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this Campus and in this Community, including and especially "Wise" {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:14 AM To: 'Dan Corkery' > Subject: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steven Salaita. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat May 6 17:34:30 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 17:34:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita Message-ID: And of course while Lynching Salaita "Wise" {sic!} also single-handedly destroyed our Native American Studies Program. Way to go Phyllis-a two-fer for Bigotry and Racism! I have seen no improvement on this campus to warrant the University of Illiniwaks being removed from the AALS Censure list when it comes to the Illiniwaks' marked hostility against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color and against American Indians, inter alia. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 12:20 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; Estabrook, Carl G ; 'Karen Aram' Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita And if I remember correctly-and people can correct me if I am wrong--this "Statement" was also signed by the President of the University of Illiniwaks and the Chancellors of the University of Illiniwaks in Chicago and Springfield too. They have never apologized for their Racist Lynching of Steve Salaita. So of course there has been no improvement in the marked hostility against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color on this campus. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 11:51 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Karen Aram' > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks By Fired and Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illiniwaks: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all! The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational Cult of Chief Illiniwak Anthro 101 A required course To get our degrees >From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:27 AM To: 'David Green' >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK >; Jay Becker >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; Karen Aram >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? Steve was lynched by all the die-hard anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this Campus and in this Community, including and especially "Wise" {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:14 AM To: 'Dan Corkery' > Subject: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steven Salaita. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sat May 6 17:52:50 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 17:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Myth of Rust Belt Revolt References: <1762369986.5213642.1494093170684.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1762369986.5213642.1494093170684@mail.yahoo.com> A co-author of this article is a former professor at the UIUC Law School: Trump Didn’t Flip Working-Class White Voters. The Rust Belt Revolt Is a Myth. | | | | | | | | | | | Trump Didn’t Flip Working-Class White Voters. The Rust Belt Revolt Is a Myth. Commentators in charge of explaining Donald Trump’s surprise victory seem to have settled on the idea that the w... | | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat May 6 18:47:20 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 18:47:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita Message-ID: This campus that has consistently and historically terrorized and intimidated American Indians and Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color for as long as I have been here since 1978 does not deserve to be removed from the AAUP Censure List. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 12:34 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; Estabrook, Carl G ; 'Karen Aram' Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita And of course while Lynching Salaita "Wise" {sic!} also single-handedly destroyed our Native American Studies Program. Way to go Phyllis-a two-fer for Bigotry and Racism! I have seen no improvement on this campus to warrant the University of Illiniwaks being removed from the AALS Censure list when it comes to the Illiniwaks' marked hostility against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color and against American Indians, inter alia. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 12:20 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Karen Aram' > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita And if I remember correctly-and people can correct me if I am wrong--this "Statement" was also signed by the President of the University of Illiniwaks and the Chancellors of the University of Illiniwaks in Chicago and Springfield too. They have never apologized for their Racist Lynching of Steve Salaita. So of course there has been no improvement in the marked hostility against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color on this campus. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 11:51 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Karen Aram' > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks By Fired and Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illiniwaks: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all! The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational Cult of Chief Illiniwak Anthro 101 A required course To get our degrees >From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:27 AM To: 'David Green' >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK >; Jay Becker >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; Karen Aram >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? Steve was lynched by all the die-hard anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this Campus and in this Community, including and especially "Wise" {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:14 AM To: 'Dan Corkery' > Subject: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steven Salaita. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat May 6 19:05:20 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 19:05:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita Message-ID: And of course yesterday Cinco De Mayo was the 25th anniversary of our Latino Students sitting in at the Henry Building in a peaceful, non-violent, non-disruptive protest. Only to be met by sheer, outright Racist Brutality by the University of Illiniwaks Chancellor, Vice Chancellor, Chief of Police and the University of Illinwaks Police Force and Racist Champaign Police Force for 3 hours and fifteen minutes, all under the personal supervision of Dave Downey representing the University of Illiniwaks Board of Trustees. Plus ca change for the Illiniwaks when it comes to persecuting People of Color at the University of Illiniwaks. Let the Illiniwaks rot on the AAUP Censure List! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 1:47 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; Estabrook, Carl G ; 'Karen Aram' Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita This campus that has consistently and historically terrorized and intimidated American Indians and Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color for as long as I have been here since 1978 does not deserve to be removed from the AAUP Censure List. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 12:34 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Karen Aram' > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita And of course while Lynching Salaita "Wise" {sic!} also single-handedly destroyed our Native American Studies Program. Way to go Phyllis-a two-fer for Bigotry and Racism! I have seen no improvement on this campus to warrant the University of Illiniwaks being removed from the AALS Censure list when it comes to the Illiniwaks' marked hostility against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color and against American Indians, inter alia. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 12:20 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Karen Aram' > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita And if I remember correctly-and people can correct me if I am wrong--this "Statement" was also signed by the President of the University of Illiniwaks and the Chancellors of the University of Illiniwaks in Chicago and Springfield too. They have never apologized for their Racist Lynching of Steve Salaita. So of course there has been no improvement in the marked hostility against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color on this campus. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 11:51 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Karen Aram' > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks By Fired and Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illiniwaks: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all! The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational Cult of Chief Illiniwak Anthro 101 A required course To get our degrees >From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:27 AM To: 'David Green' >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK >; Jay Becker >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; Karen Aram >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? Steve was lynched by all the die-hard anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this Campus and in this Community, including and especially "Wise" {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:14 AM To: 'Dan Corkery' > Subject: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steven Salaita. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat May 6 21:05:27 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 21:05:27 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita Message-ID: Salaita Now all the bigots and racists against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims And the Academic Fascists Come out of the Closet For everyone to see Under the Guise of Civility These Academic Emperors wear no clothes Shooting themselves in the feet every day Could not happen to a nicer group Of Academic Schmucks Cowards and Hypocrites all What else is new? Such is life In the Sordid World of Academia Academic Freedom? LOL! Academic Integrity? LOL! Academic Tenure? LOL! First Amendment Rights? LOL! All balderdash and propaganda For the gullible to believe And the naïve Take it from me Been fighting them since 1968 When I started at U of C 49 Years of Struggle Still standing and fighting But it ain't been easy Truth and Justice Against Power and Lies and Hypocrisy Poor Salaita Got his legs cut out from under him Norman Finkelstein too Many others three Not much I can do But saved a few Trying to protect my own back With all the Knives sticking out of it While marching forward Towards Truth and Justice As my Dad the litigator always said: Son, there's nothing fair about life Ditto and in spades for Academia Bootlicking goes a long way Ass-kissing too Merit has little to do with it Mediocrity rises to the top The Peter Principle vindicated By the Academic World Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 2:05 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; Estabrook, Carl G ; 'Karen Aram' Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita And of course yesterday Cinco De Mayo was the 25th anniversary of our Latino Students sitting in at the Henry Building in a peaceful, non-violent, non-disruptive protest. Only to be met by sheer, outright Racist Brutality by the University of Illiniwaks Chancellor, Vice Chancellor, Chief of Police and the University of Illinwaks Police Force and Racist Champaign Police Force for 3 hours and fifteen minutes, all under the personal supervision of Dave Downey representing the University of Illiniwaks Board of Trustees. Plus ca change for the Illiniwaks when it comes to persecuting People of Color at the University of Illiniwaks. Let the Illiniwaks rot on the AAUP Censure List! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 1:47 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Karen Aram' > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita This campus that has consistently and historically terrorized and intimidated American Indians and Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color for as long as I have been here since 1978 does not deserve to be removed from the AAUP Censure List. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 12:34 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Karen Aram' > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita And of course while Lynching Salaita "Wise" {sic!} also single-handedly destroyed our Native American Studies Program. Way to go Phyllis-a two-fer for Bigotry and Racism! I have seen no improvement on this campus to warrant the University of Illiniwaks being removed from the AALS Censure list when it comes to the Illiniwaks' marked hostility against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color and against American Indians, inter alia. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 12:20 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Karen Aram' > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita And if I remember correctly-and people can correct me if I am wrong--this "Statement" was also signed by the President of the University of Illiniwaks and the Chancellors of the University of Illiniwaks in Chicago and Springfield too. They have never apologized for their Racist Lynching of Steve Salaita. So of course there has been no improvement in the marked hostility against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color on this campus. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 11:51 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Karen Aram' > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks by Fired & Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} et al While Lynching Salaita The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks By Fired and Disgraced Chancellor "Wise" {sic!} The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illiniwaks: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all! The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational Cult of Chief Illiniwak Anthro 101 A required course To get our degrees >From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:27 AM To: 'David Green' >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK >; Jay Becker >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; Karen Aram >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? Steve was lynched by all the die-hard anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this Campus and in this Community, including and especially "Wise" {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:14 AM To: 'Dan Corkery' > Subject: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steven Salaita. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From futureup2us at gmail.com Sat May 6 22:11:34 2017 From: futureup2us at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 17:11:34 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And wasn’t it proven that Chris Kennedy, now vying to be governor, was in cahoots with her to get Steven Salaita? The same Kennedy who prevented Bill Ayers from being designated professor emeritus because he said Ayers celebrated the murder of Robert Kennedy by Sirhan Sirhan? Jay > On May 6, 2017, at 10:26, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Steve was lynched by all the die-hard anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this Campus and in this Community, including and especially “Wise” {sic!}. fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:14 AM > To: 'Dan Corkery' > > Subject: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? > > This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steven Salaita. > Francis A. Boyle > Professor of Law > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. 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ESTABROOK; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J; Joe Lauria; Miller, Joseph Thomas; Szoke, Ron; Arlene Hickory; David Swanson; Karen Aram; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G; Wise, Phyllis M Subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? And wasn’t it proven that Chris Kennedy, now vying to be governor, was in cahoots with her to get Steven Salaita? The same Kennedy who prevented Bill Ayers from being designated professor emeritus because he said Ayers celebrated the murder of Robert Kennedy by Sirhan Sirhan? Jay On May 6, 2017, at 10:26, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Steve was lynched by all the die-hard anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this Campus and in this Community, including and especially “Wise” {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:14 AM To: 'Dan Corkery' > Subject: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steven Salaita. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Sat May 6 23:32:12 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 23:32:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Rep. Davis has office hours Tues 5/9 Message-ID: <30D3D608-80F5-4F94-8DD9-A0F3A91D301C@illinois.edu> Davis plans Tuesday office hours in Champaign Fri, 05/05/2017 - 10:48am | The News-Gazette [cid:A8C6D56E-0B4B-40A5-96C0-D429EBA9B8F7][cid:CB032329-358F-4C7D-B5F3-1207C49DBF0C][cid:EAE4D248-3828-48FA-B6CA-D8F0BA399909][cid:4BC9436F-E8C9-4034-8999-8DE70EB0A4CE] U.S. Rep. Rodney Davis will hold open office hours at his Champaign office, 2004 Fox Drive, next Tuesday afternoon. The House of Representatives is on a short district work period and isn't scheduled to return to Washington, D.C., until May 16. The Taylorville Republican said Friday that he'll be able to meet with individuals or small groups of constituents from 2 to 3:15 p.m. Tuesday. Davis also arranged to meet with constituents in his Normal office Monday afternoon. "Meetings will be taken on a first-come, first-serve basis. No appointments necessary," said an announcement from the congressman's office. 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Name: send4.png Type: image/png Size: 3770 bytes Desc: send4.png URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 7 01:07:49 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 01:07:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: OK. Well now all the wire services have picked up the News-Gazoo Bull-twaddle that the Racist Illiniwaks are fit to be dropped from the AAUP Censure List. Obviously, no one talked to me. Fab EX-AAUP Member who quit in protest. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 5:47 PM To: Jay Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G ; Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? Yes Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Jay Sent: ‎5/‎6/‎2017 5:11 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J; Joe Lauria; Miller, Joseph Thomas; Szoke, Ron; Arlene Hickory; David Swanson; Karen Aram; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G; Wise, Phyllis M Subject: Re: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? And wasn’t it proven that Chris Kennedy, now vying to be governor, was in cahoots with her to get Steven Salaita? The same Kennedy who prevented Bill Ayers from being designated professor emeritus because he said Ayers celebrated the murder of Robert Kennedy by Sirhan Sirhan? Jay On May 6, 2017, at 10:26, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Steve was lynched by all the die-hard anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this Campus and in this Community, including and especially “Wise” {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 10:14 AM To: 'Dan Corkery' > Subject: Letter to the Editor: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steven Salaita. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 7 01:33:25 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 01:33:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Rulings Revive Spy Case Against Anti-Defamation League In-Reply-To: <9171552F3022D1118B9F00805FFEB546AE08B3@law-mail.law.uiuc.edu> References: <9171552F3022D1118B9F00805FFEB546AE08B3@law-mail.law.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis [mailto:FBOYLE at LAW.UIUC.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 11:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Rulings Revive Spy Case Against Anti-Defamation League Dear Colleagues: I am honored and pleased to be on the ADL blacklist because of my representation of a Jewish Professor friend of mine who had been previously blacklisted by them because of this Professor's vigorous opposition to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, where this Professor had been located at the time, and then subjected to McCarthyite tactics. I have old copies of the ADL blacklist and the AIPAC blacklist in my office if anyone wants to see them, together with related internal and external documents on the blacklisting policies and McCarthyite practices of these two organizations. The cowards and hypocrites at the American Association of University Professors (of which I was a member at the time) refused to do anything to help my Jewish Professor Friend or to help the Black Professor Fred Dube, who had also been blacklisted by these organizations,or to help other professors who had been blacklisted by these two organizations and then subjected to similar McCarthyite practices. I later quit the AAUP and joined a real union affiliated with the American Federation of Teachers/AFL-CIO. At least second editions of these ADL and AIPAC blacklists were never published. I am sure, however, that both organizations still maintain internal blacklists and continue to perpetrate their McCarthyite tactics on professors they do not approve of. And Jewish Professors are treated far worse than others. Francis A.Boyle Professor of Law Counsel, Concerned Academics for Peace and Justice in the Middle East (1984-1986) > ---------- > From: > rich at pencil.math.missouri.edu[SMTP:rich at pencil.math.missouri.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 1:43 AM > To: undisclosed-recipients > Subject: USA: Rulings Revive Spy Case Against Anti-Defamation > League > > /** headlines: 129.0 **/ > ** Topic: USA: B'nai B'rith Spy Files Cracked ** > ** Written 9:54 PM Mar 23, 1998 by newsdesk in cdp:headlines ** > /* Written 5:24 PM Mar 22, 1998 by owner-pjml at shamash.org in > action.jewish */ > /* ---------- "No Subject Given" ---------- */ > > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:16:10 -0800 > To: Discussion forum for progressive Jews > From: Yigal Arens > > Rulings Revive Spy Case Against Jewish Group > > * It appears the Anti-Defamation League will have to reveal what it > knows about 17 people. > > By Bob Egelko > Associated Press > > Court rulings have breathed new life into an almost-forgotten lawsuit > accusing the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith of spying > illegally on political activists. > > Seventeen people who learned the venerable Jewish civil rights > organization was keeping tabs on them are trying to find out just what > the group knows - and a recent court ruling requires a very reluctant > ADL to release the information, which has been sealed by court order. > > The ADL appealed to the state Supreme Court, which is expected to > decide by late March whether to review the case. > > The dispute made national headlines five years ago, when San Francisco > police raided the ADL's offices and seized more than 10,000 files on > political organizations and individuals. Some were neo-Nazis and > terrorists the ADL says are its chief concern. Others came from a > variety of groups on the political left, including critics of Israel > and of apartheid in South Africa. > > After police told them their names were in the files, the 17 activists > - > Arab-Americans, anti-apartheid organizers and Jewish dissidents, > including the son of a former Israeli defense minister - sued the ADL. > > They are seeking class-action status for the civil suit on behalf of > up to 1,000 activists and could get $2,500 for any instance of illegal > disclosure of confidential information. > > But first the group has to find out just what was in the ADL files. > > Until last September, the organization rebuffed those efforts with the > unlikely sounding but legally unchallenged argument that, as a > publisher of reports on extremist groups, it acts like a journalist, > with the right to protect its sources. > > But last September, Superior Court Judge Alex Saldamando ruled that a > journalist's protections must give way to a private citizen's right to > learn the source of confidential government information that may have > been used illegally. He granted the plaintiffs access to thousands of > ADL files seized by San Francisco police, and to Internal ADL memos on > pro-Palestinian and anti-apartheid activists. > > The ADL appealed but a state appeals court upheld the ruling last > month. > Now, unless the state Supreme Court intervenes, the plaintiffs may > finally get the information they need to take their case to a trial > that is scheduled for September. > > "They have a reputation as a civil rights organization when in fact > there's a long history of doing this kind of spy work," said plaintiff > Jeffrey Blankfort, a Jewish activist for Palestinian rights and > against apartheid, and cofounder of the Labor Committee on the Middle > East. > His > Social Security number turned up in an ADL file seized by police. > > David M. Goldstein, a lawyer for the ADL, declined comment on the > rulings. However, in court papers, the ADL has said releasing the > information would jeopardize sources inside hate groups, with > potentially disastrous consequences. > > "If the identities of ADL's sources - or even the fact of their > existence - becomes known, many of the sources could be in grave > danger," attorney Stephen Bomse wrote. > > "The groups being investigated are not, after all, elementary school > play groups. To the contrary, they include groups that preach, > practice or support intolerance, hate, violence and terrorism," he > wrote. > > The ADL, founded more than 80 years ago to combat anti-Semitism, has > in recent years fought a quiet battle with U.S. leftist supporters of > Palestinian rights. The San Francisco dispute surfaced in 1992 when > FBI agents tracking South African operatives saw them talking to Roy > Bullock, the ADL's local "fact-finder," and Tom Girard, a San > Francisco police inspector, according to the plaintiff's lawyer. > > The FBI contacted San Francisco police, who searched ADL offices. > Bullock later said he and Girard had sold information to the South > African government, a statement Girard denied. > > Girard, the only one charged with a crime, pleaded no contest in 1994 > to a misdemeanor charge of illegally accessing government information. > The > ADL itself came under criminal investigation by the district > attorney's office in 1993, but never was charged, and settled the > city's civil suit by paying $75,000 and agreeing to a ban on the > acquisition of secret government files. > > More than 600 names of political activists were found in ADL files > that were searched as part of a 1996 settlement of a similar suit in > Los Angeles, in which the organization agreed to destroy all such > records, said plaintiff's attorney Pete McCloskey. > > McCloskey, a former congressman, said he got involved after learning > that the ADL had a file on his wife, Helen, for protesting the strip > searching of an Arab-American woman by an Israeli border guard in the > 1980s. She is now a plaintiff. > > "We will learn the extent of our case. ... ADL has fought for five > years to keep this information from being public," McCloskey said. > > The damage suit accuses the ADL of obtaining and illegally using > confidential government records, such as driver's license information, > post office boxes and police reports. > > The information was allegedly used to infiltrate political groups, > inform on members to police and get them blacklisted among ADL > sympathizers, according to the suit. It said the ADL also provided > information to the governments of Israel and South Africa. > > Typically, McCloskey said, Bullock would pose as a sympathizer, join a > target group, copy down license plate numbers and relate them to > Girard. > Girard would use state computers to find driver license numbers and > other government data which would be relayed to ADL offices in New > York and, presumably, to the organization's self-described community > of > 12,000 supporters in the San Francisco area. > > Bomse called the claim of a blacklist "nonsense." > > The ADL "monitors anti-Semitic and anti-Israel groups, right- and > left-wing extremists, white supremacists and other hate groups and > terrorists," he said in court papers. > > He said the ADL has a right to investigate the plaintiff's involvement > in "issues of public consequence," share information internally and > report suspected lawbreaking to police. > > McCloskey acknowledged that allegation of an ADL blacklist are hard to > substantiate. But in at least one case, a plaintiff who is a > photographer found she was unable to get work with Jews after her > sister published a letter critical of Israel. > > ** End of text from cdp:headlines ** > > ********************************************************************** > ***** > This material came from PeaceNet, a non-profit progressive networking > service. For more information, send a message to > peacenet-info at igc.apc.org > ********************************************************************** > ***** > ------------------------------------------------------------- Private reply: Yigal Arens Public replies: humanrights-l at lawlib.wuacc.edu To subscribe, signoff: listserv at lawlib.wuacc.edu Listserv questions: Mark Folmsbee, zzfolm at acc.wuacc.edu Message Archives: http://ftplaw.wuacc.edu/listproc List owners: Ali Khan, zzkhan at acc.wuacc.edu Lloyd Herrera, zzherr at acc.wuacc.edu Washburn's WashLawWEB, a comprehensive legal research site: http://lawlib.wuacc.edu/washlaw/washlaw.html From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun May 7 01:40:51 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 01:40:51 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News Gazette: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? In-Reply-To: <1555116397.5126580.1494084224279@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1555116397.5126580.1494084224279@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We live in a world of insanity, where “he said, she said” is of the utmost importance, while the slaughter of innocents is of little importance. In the early 70’s people were horrified by General Westmoreland when he was heard to say, in the film “Hearts and Minds,” “life is cheap in Asia,” in respect to USG atrocities in Vietnam. Now, merely expressing outrage over such killings is seen as a crime. The crimes are white washed away. On May 6, 2017, at 08:23, David Green > wrote: From the N-G article: "The AAUP placed the UI administration on its censure list in June 2015 for revoking Salaita’s job offer after he posted a litany of controversial, and sometimes profane, tweets about Israel during its bombing of Gaza." As if the tweets were controversial, and the bombing was not. DG On Saturday, May 6, 2017 9:58 AM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" > wrote: This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steve Salaita. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 7 01:47:14 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 01:47:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News Gazette: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? In-Reply-To: References: <1555116397.5126580.1494084224279@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, especially at the University of Illiniwaks where they have always done damage control and damage limitation for Israel’s slaughter of Palestinians since at least when I began teaching here in August 1978. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 8:41 PM To: David Green Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] News Gazette: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? We live in a world of insanity, where “he said, she said” is of the utmost importance, while the slaughter of innocents is of little importance. In the early 70’s people were horrified by General Westmoreland when he was heard to say, in the film “Hearts and Minds,” “life is cheap in Asia,” in respect to USG atrocities in Vietnam. Now, merely expressing outrage over such killings is seen as a crime. The crimes are white washed away. On May 6, 2017, at 08:23, David Green > wrote: From the N-G article: "The AAUP placed the UI administration on its censure list in June 2015 for revoking Salaita’s job offer after he posted a litany of controversial, and sometimes profane, tweets about Israel during its bombing of Gaza." As if the tweets were controversial, and the bombing was not. DG On Saturday, May 6, 2017 9:58 AM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" > wrote: This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steve Salaita. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 7 02:02:09 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 02:02:09 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News Gazette: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? References: <1555116397.5126580.1494084224279@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Of course in all honesty I have been treated far worse by the Illiniwaks at the University of Illiniwaks and by the Illiniwak Community because of my opposition to Chief Illiniwak than I have because of my support for the Palestinians. Salaita was the two-fer by the Illiniwaks. They got him because he was a Palestinian and also because he was hired to teach Native American Studies. Who else would have been a better expert on the extermination of the Native Americans than a Palestinian? Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 8:47 PM To: 'Karen Aram' ; David Green Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] News Gazette: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? Yes, especially at the University of Illiniwaks where they have always done damage control and damage limitation for Israel’s slaughter of Palestinians since at least when I began teaching here in August 1978. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 8:41 PM To: David Green > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK >; Jay Becker >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] News Gazette: Lifting AAUP Censure after Lynching Salaita? We live in a world of insanity, where “he said, she said” is of the utmost importance, while the slaughter of innocents is of little importance. In the early 70’s people were horrified by General Westmoreland when he was heard to say, in the film “Hearts and Minds,” “life is cheap in Asia,” in respect to USG atrocities in Vietnam. Now, merely expressing outrage over such killings is seen as a crime. The crimes are white washed away. On May 6, 2017, at 08:23, David Green > wrote: From the N-G article: "The AAUP placed the UI administration on its censure list in June 2015 for revoking Salaita’s job offer after he posted a litany of controversial, and sometimes profane, tweets about Israel during its bombing of Gaza." As if the tweets were controversial, and the bombing was not. DG On Saturday, May 6, 2017 9:58 AM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" > wrote: This campus is still extremely hostile against Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims of Color. I have seen no evidence of improvement since all the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists on this campus and in this community lynched Steve Salaita. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun May 7 11:56:44 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 11:56:44 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Freedom of Speech" Message-ID: The absolute lunacy of the FCC investigating Stephen Colbert for a "joke" he made on tv. Not unlike Ireland investigating Stephen Fry , for making public statements in respect to "God." A woman being arrested at a Congressional Hearing for a inaudible laugh. A couple years ago, the University of Illinois fired a Professor for expressing outrage on social media for the slaughter of people in Palestine. Meanwhile, in Thailand they continue, as they have for years, to arrest people for making any statement about the King, the Monarchy, and now by extension the Military Junta, due to an antiquated law known as “Lese Majeste." Are we there yet? Soon, very soon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun May 7 11:56:44 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 11:56:44 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Freedom of Speech" Message-ID: The absolute lunacy of the FCC investigating Stephen Colbert for a "joke" he made on tv. Not unlike Ireland investigating Stephen Fry , for making public statements in respect to "God." A woman being arrested at a Congressional Hearing for a inaudible laugh. A couple years ago, the University of Illinois fired a Professor for expressing outrage on social media for the slaughter of people in Palestine. Meanwhile, in Thailand they continue, as they have for years, to arrest people for making any statement about the King, the Monarchy, and now by extension the Military Junta, due to an antiquated law known as “Lese Majeste." Are we there yet? Soon, very soon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 7 12:35:08 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 12:35:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Rulings Revive Spy Case Against Anti-Defamation League In-Reply-To: References: <9171552F3022D1118B9F00805FFEB546AE08B3@law-mail.law.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: I am sure that the ADL/AIPAC People on campus and here in town and nationwide orchestrated the Campaign To Lynch Salaita. Just like ADL/AIPAC orchestrated the Campaign To Lynch my Friend Norman Finkelstein at De Paul. Working pro bono publico I was able to help my other Jewish Professor Friend get tenured despite the worst efforts of ADL/AIPAC and their apparatchiks to the contrary. I also was able to prevent the publications of the Second Editions of the Enemies Lists published by both ADL and AIPAC. Though both ADL and AIPAC still maintain these internal enemies lists today and I am on both of them. Good! You know a Man by his enemies. ADL and AIPAC are nothing more than dirty tricks operations for the Israeli government and will do anything to destroy Academics critical of Israel. FAB D in BDS. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 8:33 PM To: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G ; Wise, Phyllis M ; Jay Subject: FW: Rulings Revive Spy Case Against Anti-Defamation League Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis [mailto:FBOYLE at LAW.UIUC.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 11:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Rulings Revive Spy Case Against Anti-Defamation League Dear Colleagues: I am honored and pleased to be on the ADL blacklist because of my representation of a Jewish Professor friend of mine who had been previously blacklisted by them because of this Professor's vigorous opposition to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, where this Professor had been located at the time, and then subjected to McCarthyite tactics. I have old copies of the ADL blacklist and the AIPAC blacklist in my office if anyone wants to see them, together with related internal and external documents on the blacklisting policies and McCarthyite practices of these two organizations. The cowards and hypocrites at the American Association of University Professors (of which I was a member at the time) refused to do anything to help my Jewish Professor Friend or to help the Black Professor Fred Dube, who had also been blacklisted by these organizations,or to help other professors who had been blacklisted by these two organizations and then subjected to similar McCarthyite practices. I later quit the AAUP and joined a real union affiliated with the American Federation of Teachers/AFL-CIO. At least second editions of these ADL and AIPAC blacklists were never published. I am sure, however, that both organizations still maintain internal blacklists and continue to perpetrate their McCarthyite tactics on professors they do not approve of. And Jewish Professors are treated far worse than others. Francis A.Boyle Professor of Law Counsel, Concerned Academics for Peace and Justice in the Middle East (1984-1986) > ---------- > From: > rich at pencil.math.missouri.edu[SMTP:rich at pencil.math.missouri.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 1:43 AM > To: undisclosed-recipients > Subject: USA: Rulings Revive Spy Case Against Anti-Defamation > League > > /** headlines: 129.0 **/ > ** Topic: USA: B'nai B'rith Spy Files Cracked ** > ** Written 9:54 PM Mar 23, 1998 by newsdesk in cdp:headlines ** > /* Written 5:24 PM Mar 22, 1998 by owner-pjml at shamash.org in > action.jewish */ > /* ---------- "No Subject Given" ---------- */ > > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:16:10 -0800 > To: Discussion forum for progressive Jews > From: Yigal Arens > > Rulings Revive Spy Case Against Jewish Group > > * It appears the Anti-Defamation League will have to reveal what it > knows about 17 people. > > By Bob Egelko > Associated Press > > Court rulings have breathed new life into an almost-forgotten lawsuit > accusing the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith of spying > illegally on political activists. > > Seventeen people who learned the venerable Jewish civil rights > organization was keeping tabs on them are trying to find out just what > the group knows - and a recent court ruling requires a very reluctant > ADL to release the information, which has been sealed by court order. > > The ADL appealed to the state Supreme Court, which is expected to > decide by late March whether to review the case. > > The dispute made national headlines five years ago, when San Francisco > police raided the ADL's offices and seized more than 10,000 files on > political organizations and individuals. Some were neo-Nazis and > terrorists the ADL says are its chief concern. Others came from a > variety of groups on the political left, including critics of Israel > and of apartheid in South Africa. > > After police told them their names were in the files, the 17 activists > - > Arab-Americans, anti-apartheid organizers and Jewish dissidents, > including the son of a former Israeli defense minister - sued the ADL. > > They are seeking class-action status for the civil suit on behalf of > up to 1,000 activists and could get $2,500 for any instance of illegal > disclosure of confidential information. > > But first the group has to find out just what was in the ADL files. > > Until last September, the organization rebuffed those efforts with the > unlikely sounding but legally unchallenged argument that, as a > publisher of reports on extremist groups, it acts like a journalist, > with the right to protect its sources. > > But last September, Superior Court Judge Alex Saldamando ruled that a > journalist's protections must give way to a private citizen's right to > learn the source of confidential government information that may have > been used illegally. He granted the plaintiffs access to thousands of > ADL files seized by San Francisco police, and to Internal ADL memos on > pro-Palestinian and anti-apartheid activists. > > The ADL appealed but a state appeals court upheld the ruling last > month. > Now, unless the state Supreme Court intervenes, the plaintiffs may > finally get the information they need to take their case to a trial > that is scheduled for September. > > "They have a reputation as a civil rights organization when in fact > there's a long history of doing this kind of spy work," said plaintiff > Jeffrey Blankfort, a Jewish activist for Palestinian rights and > against apartheid, and cofounder of the Labor Committee on the Middle > East. > His > Social Security number turned up in an ADL file seized by police. > > David M. Goldstein, a lawyer for the ADL, declined comment on the > rulings. However, in court papers, the ADL has said releasing the > information would jeopardize sources inside hate groups, with > potentially disastrous consequences. > > "If the identities of ADL's sources - or even the fact of their > existence - becomes known, many of the sources could be in grave > danger," attorney Stephen Bomse wrote. > > "The groups being investigated are not, after all, elementary school > play groups. To the contrary, they include groups that preach, > practice or support intolerance, hate, violence and terrorism," he > wrote. > > The ADL, founded more than 80 years ago to combat anti-Semitism, has > in recent years fought a quiet battle with U.S. leftist supporters of > Palestinian rights. The San Francisco dispute surfaced in 1992 when > FBI agents tracking South African operatives saw them talking to Roy > Bullock, the ADL's local "fact-finder," and Tom Girard, a San > Francisco police inspector, according to the plaintiff's lawyer. > > The FBI contacted San Francisco police, who searched ADL offices. > Bullock later said he and Girard had sold information to the South > African government, a statement Girard denied. > > Girard, the only one charged with a crime, pleaded no contest in 1994 > to a misdemeanor charge of illegally accessing government information. > The > ADL itself came under criminal investigation by the district > attorney's office in 1993, but never was charged, and settled the > city's civil suit by paying $75,000 and agreeing to a ban on the > acquisition of secret government files. > > More than 600 names of political activists were found in ADL files > that were searched as part of a 1996 settlement of a similar suit in > Los Angeles, in which the organization agreed to destroy all such > records, said plaintiff's attorney Pete McCloskey. > > McCloskey, a former congressman, said he got involved after learning > that the ADL had a file on his wife, Helen, for protesting the strip > searching of an Arab-American woman by an Israeli border guard in the > 1980s. She is now a plaintiff. > > "We will learn the extent of our case. ... ADL has fought for five > years to keep this information from being public," McCloskey said. > > The damage suit accuses the ADL of obtaining and illegally using > confidential government records, such as driver's license information, > post office boxes and police reports. > > The information was allegedly used to infiltrate political groups, > inform on members to police and get them blacklisted among ADL > sympathizers, according to the suit. It said the ADL also provided > information to the governments of Israel and South Africa. > > Typically, McCloskey said, Bullock would pose as a sympathizer, join a > target group, copy down license plate numbers and relate them to > Girard. > Girard would use state computers to find driver license numbers and > other government data which would be relayed to ADL offices in New > York and, presumably, to the organization's self-described community > of > 12,000 supporters in the San Francisco area. > > Bomse called the claim of a blacklist "nonsense." > > The ADL "monitors anti-Semitic and anti-Israel groups, right- and > left-wing extremists, white supremacists and other hate groups and > terrorists," he said in court papers. > > He said the ADL has a right to investigate the plaintiff's involvement > in "issues of public consequence," share information internally and > report suspected lawbreaking to police. > > McCloskey acknowledged that allegation of an ADL blacklist are hard to > substantiate. But in at least one case, a plaintiff who is a > photographer found she was unable to get work with Jews after her > sister published a letter critical of Israel. > > ** End of text from cdp:headlines ** > > ********************************************************************** > ***** > This material came from PeaceNet, a non-profit progressive networking > service. For more information, send a message to > peacenet-info at igc.apc.org > ********************************************************************** > ***** > ------------------------------------------------------------- Private reply: Yigal Arens Public replies: humanrights-l at lawlib.wuacc.edu To subscribe, signoff: listserv at lawlib.wuacc.edu Listserv questions: Mark Folmsbee, zzfolm at acc.wuacc.edu Message Archives: http://ftplaw.wuacc.edu/listproc List owners: Ali Khan, zzkhan at acc.wuacc.edu Lloyd Herrera, zzherr at acc.wuacc.edu Washburn's WashLawWEB, a comprehensive legal research site: http://lawlib.wuacc.edu/washlaw/washlaw.html From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 7 12:50:13 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 12:50:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" Message-ID: Ditto And In Spades for the University of Illiniwaks. Fab D in BDS. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: Videos matching: "Francis boyle" Posted on: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:05 PM Author: stanheller55 Subject: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" [http://i.ytimg.com/vi/b5wtE9wd1uU/default.jpg] "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" Some stinging remarks about US professors and Palestine from University of Illinois law school professor Francis Boyle From: stanheller55 Views: 13688 [http://gdata.youtube.com/static/images/icn_star_full_11x11.gif][http://gdata.youtube.com/static/images/icn_star_full_11x11.gif][http://gdata.youtube.com/static/images/icn_star_full_11x11.gif][http://gdata.youtube.com/static/images/icn_star_full_11x11.gif][http://gdata.youtube.com/static/images/icn_star_half_11x11.gif] 125 ratings Time: 05:22 More in News & Politics View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:50 AM To: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay Subject: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" Ditto And In Spades for the University of Illiniwaks. Fab D in BDS. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: Videos matching: "Francis boyle" Posted on: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:05 PM Author: stanheller55 Subject: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" [http://i.ytimg.com/vi/b5wtE9wd1uU/default.jpg] "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" Some stinging remarks about US professors and Palestine from University of Illinois law school professor Francis Boyle From: stanheller55 Views: 13688 [http://gdata.youtube.com/static/images/icn_star_full_11x11.gif][http://gdata.youtube.com/static/images/icn_star_full_11x11.gif][http://gdata.youtube.com/static/images/icn_star_full_11x11.gif][http://gdata.youtube.com/static/images/icn_star_full_11x11.gif][http://gdata.youtube.com/static/images/icn_star_half_11x11.gif] 125 ratings Time: 05:22 More in News & Politics View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 7 13:52:24 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 13:52:24 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: SNYT BOOK REVIEW OF "Democracy" V. PROSECUTING CONDI RICE, BUSH, CHENEY, ET AL FOR MURDERING US TROOPS IN IRAQ Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:48 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: SNYT BOOK REVIEW OF "Democracy" V. PROSECUTING CONDI RICE, BUSH, CHENEY, ET AL FOR MURDERING US TROOPS IN IRAQ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: info at palestinechronicle.com [mailto:info at palestinechronicle.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:43 PM To: Boyle, Francis > Subject: Article From Palestine Chronicle Web Site Dear fab, Your friend "fab" (fboyle at law.uiuc.edu) sent to you the following article: ________________________________ 12:2706/27/2008 Interview with Francis Boyle: Prosecuting Bush By Morton Mecklosky MECKLOSKY: You're listening to WUSB here at Stony Brook, and I have Francis A. Boyle, Professor of Law. I just had Vincent Bugliosi on talking about his book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder. He's a significant prosecutor. I th! ink he got the case against Manson. What's your sense of the legality and presenting the case against the President for murder. BOYLE: Right Mort. I'd been working on this myself for the last several weeks with people in Maine, Vermont, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, North Carolina, Illinois. Then Vince Bugliosi's book came out. He had heard of me and gave me a call. We had a long talk about it last week and agreed to join forces and work together. I think there is a compelling case for indicting President Bush for murdering U.S. troops in Iraq. Right now the official figure -- if you believe it -- is 4,089 dead U.S. soldiers, marines, sailors. I used to teach Criminal Law here; in fact I was originally hired to teach Criminal Law. Murder is defined by common law as the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. Generally speaking you will! find a definition along those lines in almost every state of the Union because they are all based on the common law definition. Now let's parse that definition: "Unlawful." In this case the war against Iraq was a war of aggression by President Bush in violation of the United Nations Charter. In fact he had twice tried to get authorization by the United Nations Security Council to launch that war and failed. So currently we have the "unlawful" part being fulfilled. "Killing": Under the law it does not require that you actually pull the trigger on someone. For example, you could push someone in front of an L-train and that would be enough. In this case Bush ordered these now almost 4100 dead U.S. soldiers into a meat grinder in Iraq where they were killed and it was very clear there were going to be casualties when he gave these orders. So unlawful killing of a "human being": These 4100 dead soldiers ! are our mothers, our fathers, our brothers, our sisters, and our sons, and our daughters. They have been murdered by Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, and the rest of them with "malice aforethought." Malice, malicious. I think we all know what that means. Mainly that Bush lied about Iraq from the get-go. That became very clear certainly starting in the Summer of 2002 now as verified by Scott McClellan in the publicity related to his new book. Here you have the White House Spokesperson verifying a very detailed propaganda campaign put into effect in the Summer of 2002 to try to sell a war of aggression against Iraq. Finally the last element: "aforethought." Namely, that they thought about it beforehand before they did this. It is very clear the war against Iraq had been planned right after they entered the White House, and even before. In addition for a first degree murder charge on ! top of these elements you also have to establish what is called "premeditation and deliberation." Truly here we have had this death and destruction in Iraq premeditated and deliberated by these Bush people since at least when they came to power in January 2001. So I think there is a compelling case that can be made for murder and also first degree murder, which can be a capital offense - not that I support the death penalty. What Vince Bugliosi and I are both recommending is that this matter be considered by every district attorney and state attorney general in the United States of America. What we are recommending is that people living in a community where there are dead U.S. soldiers get together a group and set up a meeting with the local district attorney -- a democratically elected official for that county -- where there is at least one dead U.S. soldier, and go in and meet with the district attorney, bring in Mr. Bugliosi's book, and demand that Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld at least be ! indicted for murdering that dead U.S. soldier in the district attorney's county -- and also for conspiracy to commit murder. Conspiracy is defined at common will as an agreement between at least two people to do an illegal act or to do a lawful act by illegal means. Clearly what has happened here is an agreement among Bush, Cheney, and Rice, who are still in power, and Rumsfeld to commit an illegal act of murder of that dead U.S. soldier. Unfortunately if you take a look at the math and Mr. Bugliosi's book you will see there are dead soldiers now all over the country and there are going to be more. They are dying everyday if you follow the count in the New York Times; they have the names and ranks and locations where these soldiers come from. So Vince Bugliosi and I want to stop this. If we don't do something now these deaths will mount and continue since Bush has made that clear that the war will go on.&nb! sp; Indeed it could escalate between now and the time they leave office in late January of 2009. As for the question whether or not a sitting president can be indicted, Mr. Bugliosi did express sort of an offhand opinion in his book that he didn't think so. But in our conversation I hope I did convince him that in fact there is authority for indicting a sitting president for murder and I sent him those materials. That would be the following sources: First during the Nixon impeachment proceedings Professor Raoul Berger of the Harvard Law School, who at that time was this country's leading constitutional law historian, did a very important law review article expressing his opinion that a sitting president could be indicted. Second, at the time Leon Jaworski, the second special prosecutor of Nixon after Nixon had fired Archie Cox, obtained an opinion from his legal staff to the effect that a sitting president could be indicted for crimes. Although in his memoirs Jaworski took the position that he p! ersonally did not think the crimes for which Nixon was guilty warranted prosecuting a sitting president, he did state his opinion in his memoirs that he felt certainly that a sitting president should and could be indicted for murder. There are some more recent law review articles generated out of the Clinton impeachment proceedings to the effect that a sitting president can be indicted. Indeed it was reported that the lawyers on the Ken Starr staff also did a memo, which I haven't seen, to the effect that a sitting president could be indicted. So I don't believe that this is an obstacle. Again what we are recommending is that people from the community where there is a dead soldier get together, probably try to line up veterans to go in with you from the Iraqi Veterans Against the War, perhaps there might be next of kin who are outraged -- I know many are by the deaths of their loved ones -- to get into this group and demand that the distr! ict attorney convene a grand jury and indict Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld for murder and conspiracy to commit murder of that dead soldier. So that is where we stand. Mr. Bugliosi and I agreed late last week to join forces on this matter and I do recommend his book. The first 175 pages lays out the case for indictment. MECKLOSKY: Now the charge of murder is just on the U.S. troops, not on the Iraqis? BOYLE: Right. The district attorneys here in the United States would not have jurisdiction to prosecute for dead Iraqis -- unfortunately I don't see it. It might be possible in a new administration for federal prosecutors to indict for dead Iraqis as war crimes. There is jurisdiction in the United States federal law for indicting for war crimes. But right now all the U.S. federal prosecutors have been appointed by Bush, so of course they're not going to be convening a grand jury to indict the President who appointed them. The difference here is that the district attorneys and state&! rsquo;s attorneys are not part of the federal government. They have been elected by the people of the states where they live, or the district attorneys for the counties where they live, and have broad discretion if not an obligation to inquire into this matter and certainly at least convene a grand jury and to present the case to the grand jury, who after all are the citizens of their community. Let the members of the grand jury decide whether or not to return an indictment against the President. This is a democratic process. It would be the people, the grand jury of that county to make that decision after reviewing the evidence presented by the district attorney. The second reason, I think this is very important -- not only to stop further death and destruction in Iraq, including as you correctly point out the dead people in Iraq who had been killed and murdered by Bush now somewhere in the area of 1.2 million -- is that Bush and Cheney! might escalate into a war against Iran. Today on Antiwar.com is this article by Gareth Porter pointing out that last summer Cheney tried very hard to bomb the Iranian Republican Guards knowing full well it would escalate into a full scale war between Iran and the United States; he was headed off by the Pentagon and their military officers. Porter also points out Cheney has now done an end-run around all of them by getting rid of Admiral Fallon, Head of U.S. Central Command, who was dismissed because of his opposition to war against Iran, and bringing in General Petraeus, now heading U.S. Central Command who is serving Cheney. So there is a very real risk that if we do not stop these people now they will attack Iran in a war they know will escalate to a major confrontation between Iran and United States. They could do this anytime between now and January 20, 2009, when they leave office. Let us remember that after President Bush Sr. lost to Clinton in 1992, after the election but before Clinton came t! o power, Bush Sr. invaded Somalia - there was no restraint on him. But my guess is an attack on Iran between now and November will be decided in accordance with domestic political considerations: namely, will it help McCain win or not. But after the elections in November anything can happen. There is no restraint on this President or Vice-President and in my opinion they have to be removed from office as soon as possible and stopped. MECKLOSKY: Alright, while I agree with both you and Bugliosi, would the American public support such a move? BOYLE: I don't know Mort. That's why I am on your program today to discuss this campaign. MECKLOSKY: I am sure that there are going to be several people that would be willing to go to the D.A.'s office and ask them to bring in a grand jury. But the district attorneys and the politicians are afraid of going against the will of the people. BOYLE! : Well, that's the point though Mort. What is the will of the people here? You see we found this out in our impeachment campaign in Congress. There we went to the United States Congress and the appropriate authorities there and they have ignored the will of the people in Washington D.C. So now we are bringing it one step down to the real grassroots level which is the district attorney, who is accountable to the people of a county that is very small: We have here in Champaign County about 180,000 people. So here we are trying to bring a campaign down to the real grassroots level and not target Washington D.C., but to target whoever your district attorney is and to get the people living in that county to say that we want the President indicted. There are hundreds of district attorneys all over the country. That's why I believe and I know Mr. Bugliosi, that we can at least find one and then we can take it from there. MECKLOSKY: Now let's assume that within some communit! y the district attorney is moved to respond and he convenes a grand jury. Suppose that does take place, what's the scenario that follows that, what is the grand jury then to do? BOYLE: It's like any other criminal grand jury. The district attorney would go in before the grand jury, present the evidence against President Bush on murder, and basically lay out the case that I just mentioned to you and also in Mr. Bugliosi's book. Now he's got 175 pages there in first part of the book laying out the case that he would present to the grand jury. The D.A. could subpoena witnesses like Mr. McClellan. Then it would be for the grand jury to decide whether or not to return an indictment against them. This is democracy at work at the very lowest level here in America, Mort, as our Founding Fathers saw it. Remember that there is a constitutional protection that you have to have a grand jury indict you for any type ! of serious offense in this country. So the grand jury is a branch of our democracy. Then if the indictment is returned it will up to the district attorney to pursue the prosecution as he would any other case: Issue an arrest warrant that would be valid nationwide under the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the United States Constitution. MECKLOSKY: OK, now if they call witnesses and subpoena people in the administration, could these people go to the government, the President; and the Attorney General could tell them that they don't have to appear. Is that possible? BOYLE: Yes, this has happened already, right. Congress has subpoenaed Karl Rove, Harriet Miers and Josh Bolten. The three of them have told Congress to take a hike. Right? What has Congress done but cave-in? They have gone to court to try to enforce their subpoenas, which is a cop-out. Everyone knows this is a cop-out. Congress can enforce its own subpoenas. They have their own sergea! nt-at-arms, they have their own jail. He can go out and arrest them and he can bring them back and incarcerate these people if he wants to. But Congress is not going to do it. So they copped-out by going to federal court to try to enforce their own subpoenas. The federal courts are not going to pull Congress' chestnuts out of the fire for Congress. It is up to Congress to enforce its own powers. And they have not done that. Indeed as we know since the Reagan administration the federal courts have now been stacked with these right wing, totalitarian members of the Federalist Society which you and I have discussed before. Two-thirds of all federal judges now have been appointed pretty much by Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., and most of them are members of the Federalist Society. People know this, I mean sensible people, and lawyers certainly know that the courts are not going to enforce these subpoenas. It's really for Congres! s to enforce its own subpoenas and right now they have made it clear they are not going to do it. That's the problem we found repeatedly in dealing with Congress at least in my experience from 13 March 2003 on, trying to get Congressman John Conyers and the other Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee to put in Bills of Impeachment against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft. They are not going to do it. Pelosi and the Democrats were put in power in Congress after the 2006 elections, and what does Pelosi say but impeachment is off the table and that's that. So the question is what do we do now? Well, of course, we do have to keep pressuring Congressman Conyers on impeachment. Ramsey Clark has a campaign on for as much pressure as possible by July 4th. Again I have worked with Ramsey on this project too. But the Washington Democrats are part of the problem, not the solution, so we have to move on to the next stage, and the next stage as I see it, and as Bugliosi se! es it, is indicting Bush for murder. MECKLOSKY: Do you want to speak to the validity of the charges of murder against the President, the Vice-President on what grounds? BOYLE: Well, I think I did go through those elements, Mort. Again, murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a human being with malice of forethought. I went through each one of those elements for you and then I also went through the requirements for first degree murder, which would be in addition to those elements: premeditation and deliberation. Each one of those elements would have to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt by the district attorney to the satisfaction of a regular jury. I believe the evidence is there. I think the case can be made. But again it would really be for a grand jury to decide if the evidence is there, can that case be made, and then to return an indictment. MECKLOSKY: OK, if members of the community were to attempt to e! ngage the district attorney to bring charges against the President, should there be anything they should do prior to that, should they let the public know through newspaper and media coverage of such an event? BOYLE: Yes. What we would like to do is to set off a grassroots movement nationwide. I think they should have a look at Mr. Bugliosi's book, the first 175 pages, the case is crystal clear in there and have a little study group, read through the book, and if they agree with the conclusion, put together their group to approach the D.A. Again my advice would be to also incorporate some Iraqi Veterans Against the War, the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and of course you have to be sensitive here but if there are next of kin of dead soldiers in that community who feel very strongly that they want the President indicted, include them. I know many of them do. I have been following these comments some of the next of kin have made after the deaths have been reported to them. Bring in the next of ! kin to the District Attorney and demand indictment. Set up a press conference before and after the meeting with the District Attorney. I think that is very important. Then try to replicate this all over the country where there are dead soldiers. Unfortunately as of today there are 4,089 of them reported. The number is probably higher than that because they have a long history of never properly reporting dead soldiers, especially in any of the Special Forces and their operations. I really don't know what the exact number is but I am sure that it is substantially more than 4,089. MECKLOSKY: Now, there are members of the community that are opposed to the President and his policies but will say this will not take place and we should be satisfied that the President is not going to be president for the coming administration, what's your response to them? BOYLE: My response is that the President is still murdering U! .S. troops in Iraq as we speak today. These troops were sent over there in our name and I personally believe that as citizens of the United States we have to do everything humanly possible to stop Bush from murdering more U.S. troops in Iraq. If we just sit back and don't do anything there could be another 100, 200, who knows how many dead U.S. soldiers in Iraq between now and January 20. There's no guarantee that Obama is going to win this election. It very well could be that the Bush administration will decide to instigate some type of war against Iran in order to help McCain. And McCain would be just as bad on Iraq and Iran as Bush is, so the death and destruction will continue. I don't think any of us should sit on our haunches in the hope and expectation that somehow Obama is going to win and stop everything come January 2009. I believe we would be derelict in our duties as American citizens to not stop this death and destruction against our own troops, let alone the people of Iraq. MECKLOSKY: There are going to be people who are going to have a little difficulty with this that the President murdered the troops. They are going to say he might be responsible for their deaths because he sent them into combat when he shouldn't have done that, but the ones who are killing them is not the President, it's the al-Qaeda and the Iraqis who don't want us there. BOYLE: Yes, it's the doctrine of transferred intent, I mean, again if you push someone in front of an L-train and they are run over and killed, they are dead. You push someone into a meat grinder and they are killed by the meat grinder, you still kill them. So the President knew he was pushing U.S. armed forces illegally into a meat grinder and they were going to be killed and he knows it today and they are still being killed today. So Mr. Bugliosi goes through some of these technical, legal doctrines on transferred intent and things of that! nature in his book, if you are interested in reading it. MECKLOSKY: OK. I'm recommending the listeners get the book and also contact others that have similar points of view on the war and it's being illegal and the culpability of the President and others in the administration for the deaths of the troops that went over there and then meet at least informally and set up some sort of a schedule that you recommend. Read the book, set up a study group, contact veterans who are opposed to the war, and then go and meet with the district attorney and also engage the local media on the issue. Tell them this is what the plan is, we are going to indict the President for starting the war and hold them responsible for the death of our troops. BOYLE: That's the problem, Mort, with Vietnam. We never held any of those leaders accountable for Vietnam. Fifty-eight thousand men of my generation were murdered in Vietnam and eventually McNamara came out in his book In Retrospect and basical! ly said:Yes, I lied to the American people about Vietnam out of loyalty to President Johnson. We never held any of them accountable. McNamara and Kissinger are still running around today on the lecture circuit. We have to make an attempt here and now to hold Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld accountable for what they have done in murdering United States armed forces and if we do not the death and destruction is going to continue. MECKLOSKY: Alright. Wasn't there an attempt to hold Kissinger responsible for crimes against humanity, for example what happened in Chile, and doesn't he have difficulty when he leaves the country? Aren't there warrants out there for him in foreign countries? BOYLE: That is correct. But not here in the United States. I did work with some people up in Canada trying to get Kissinger prosecuted up in Canada. We were not able to do it. They did try to get him in P! aris and he got out of the country. I believe they are trying to get him in Spain for what he did in Chile. But again the problem is that we Americans cannot be relying on foreign courts and foreign countries to pull our chestnuts out of the fire. These are our leaders and we have to hold them accountable. Now what happened in Vietnam is a terrible tragedy. I had friends who were murdered over there, others whose lives were ruined, but you know that was a generation ago. Iraq is today and we have to stop this. We have to hold these leaders criminally accountable to stop it and to make sure it doesn't happen again because otherwise it will happen again and it very well could happen in Iran. If Cheney and Bush attack Iran, as we discussed this before, they will set off a regional war over there that I shudder to think could degenerate into a Third World War given the current arrangement of great powers and what everyone has said. Even Bush has threatened World War III over Iran. After P! resident Putin went to Iran and said he didn't think that Iran was really moving towards nuclear weapons, Bush gave a speech basically threatening World War III over Iran. That threat was not directed at Iran, it was directed at Putin. Then Putin responded later on over these planned U.S. missiles in the Czech Republic and Poland by raising the spectre of another Cuban missile crisis, that this could be a Cuban missile crisis in reverse. I lived through the Cuban missile crisis. If you studied what actually happened there, we came a hairbreath's away from nuclear Armageddon. This is a very dangerous situation here and again if you read Gareth Porter this morning on Antiwar.com you know Cheney is still chomping on the bit to attack Iran knowing full well it will escalate into a major war. MECKLOSKY: Alright. I agree that we shouldn't count on other countries to do our work for us in bringing these people to justice! . They did try that with Rumsfeld in Germany. BOYLE: Mike Ratner tried twice over there and the Germans gave two different excuses. Right. But the point is as you correctly pointed out, Mort, we have to prosecute our own criminals over here. With all due respect to Mike Ratner, I have been involved in efforts to hold our government officials accountable in foreign countries, but if we can't do it here then what's the point? We have to do it here, we are American citizens. These people were elected by us; we have to hold them accountable; they murdered our own troops. MECKLOSKY: I think what it takes is how do we convince our neighbors that what you are saying is not only true but something we have to do. I think that's a problem most people don't want to get involved in these things. BOYLE: Basically, we need a spark plug in each community. I've heard from several over the last few weeks, I've been working on this and there are people calling! me up saying: what should I do, how do I get involved, and where do I go from here? I think that is the importance of this interview with you. MECKLOSKY: Right. BOYLE: As has happened in any type of grassroots democratic movement, Mort, in my lifetime going back to civil rights for Black people, straight on through, you need just common, ordinary, everyday leaders from the community. Someone to say I can make a difference and I'm going to do it. Then as for the technical aspect of it, it's all there in Bugliosi's book. Get a copy for the district attorney too, set up the meeting, demand the indictment. MECKLOSKY: Alright. For groups of people that would be available, for a number of us throughout the country, have a meeting and protesting the war from before the war began and it's through that core of people that perhaps would move to go to find out who the authorities are, the district attorney! s in order to do this. Sometime ago I tried to contact a former student of mine to get some town meetings together where people can discuss the war and what we can do about it. I would think announcements should be made that there will be town meetings if we can get them where the public is invited to participate in this problem. You don't want them to wait as we did, I'm remembering studying for an exam during the Cuban missile crisis and I put the book down and said: why I'm studying for the world can come to an end? BOYLE: That's right. I remember myself during the Cuban missile crisis saying: hey I'm only twelve years old and the whole world is about to blow up, I can do a better job than this. That's what sparked my interest in international relations. So I think you are right; we have to have town meetings. MECKLOSKY: Right, and there are towns in the country that are doing that. I mentioned that Bugliosi said that up in Vermont some towns and comm! unities have given their police departments the order to arrest Bush should he be in the area. BOYLE: I've been working with people up in Vermont, Maine and Connecticut, North Carolina, right. I've been working with them and advising them and now we're moving on to this next step. MECKLOSKY: Great. There must a considerable number of D.A.'s, and at least one of them out there that will have the courage to say this is the right thing to do. We're going to bring charges of murder against the President. BOYLE: Right, there are hundreds of counties. The country at the grassroots basic level is organized by counties and there are hundreds of them out there and hundreds of D.A.'s. So we are hoping to get at least just one to start this ball rolling. MECKLOSKY: The President and the politicians whether or not they know it violate all the rules for rational discourse an! d the public doesn't want to get involved in thinking deeply about anything. They cannot process information that's really painful so they go for the slogans and that's why we're in the condition we're in. I had Marjorie Cohn on a couple of weeks ago and she is saying all we have to do is to educate the people. I had to tell her, Marjorie, they don't want to know what you are telling them. They'll shut it down. They don't want to know the pain that's in the message you're giving them. They'd rather think we're the greatest country in the world, we're the good people in the world and you're going to tell them things like telling a kid that his father is a hit man in organized crime. BOYLE: I think the best way to deal with that is to bring along enough pictures of dead soldiers and let people contemplate dead soldiers in their community. We have several of them out here in the Champaign-Urbana area. I would say once a month I'! m reading stories about dead soldiers in this community. I think if you were to bring blown up pictures of these young men and women and realize we're talking here about human beings and fellow Americans who lived in our communities maybe that is going to drive it home. The New York Times has done a great service by periodically publishing all those pictures of all the U.S. troops murdered in Iraq by Bush, and maybe these pictures can bring this home. MECKLOSKY: Alright, I appreciate again what you are doing. This time we have a group meeting on Saturdays protesting the counter-protesters and enough of them are veterans and it's very difficult because you know veterans are difficult. BOYLE: And even then we do have the Iraqi Veterans Against the War and that's now headed by my former client Staff Sergeant Camilo Mejia who was the first Iraq war resistor. So you got to work with the Iraqi war veterans and tap into them to! give you that type of creditability. And then second we still have the Vietnam Veterans Against the War going back to the Vietnam War and they are very active in resisting this war and get them involved as well, again to provide that type of creditability in dealing with the community and with the district attorney. MECKLOSKY: Right, there's still enough of the veterans out there who paid their price. They feel they never challenged the authority that sent them into the war that maybe they should have. BOYLE: Bertrand Russell wrote a very famous book called Power in which he said that all governments basically work the same way: are run by a very small elite in their own interest. And that is true of western liberal democracies. The difference is that the western liberal democracies are far more effective at covering and masking elite control than dictatorships. As Russell saw it, the only time the veil falls in western liberal democracy is either an economic depression or a defeat in war! . In those two cases then the people finally realize that they have been lied to by their rulers and that there is a small elite who have been governing all along. MECKLOSKY: Are we going to have to really lose this war and be destroyed before we finally go after the ones who've brought us to this point and by the time it's over, it's too late? BOYLE: That's why I'm recommending we go after them now before there is a total disaster over there, to prevent a disaster because as you correctly point out if we wait until there is a disaster then it will be too late. We need a pre-emptive indictment now because I don't think that if they set off a major war over there that there's much we can do at that point. MECKLOSKY: I'm thinking of the poor souls in pre-war Germany that were opposed to Hitler. They died also as a consequence of his policy even though they opposed him. Those bombs ! we put upon Germany didn't discriminate -- everybody died. The consequences of a war, everything is going to happen and the United States, I don't know if you have considered this as a positive, the consequences of the Bush administration, is it very nearly the demise of the U.S. as an empire. BOYLE: You know Counterpunch has been making that point. The problem I have with that is that it's just murdering too many people. I mean the human costs for me are just unacceptable and I personally just can't stand by and see United States troops be used as cannon fodder and 1.2 million people killed in Iraq. As human beings whatever we think of the American Empire we have an obligation to stop this by whatever means we can. MECLOSKY: OK, take care. You are listening to WUSB at Stony Brook. Those of you who are involved in the protest against the President's policies against the U.S. Empire pay attention to the suggestions and those of us who meet on Saturdays to stop t! he war and stop U.S. aggression, perhaps we can meet this coming Saturday and talk about tracking down a D.A. who can bring charges against the President. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE. For further help, please contact us at info at palestinechronicle.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun May 7 13:53:03 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 08:53:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: People in our Congressional district [IL-13] should keep incidents like this in mind if they’re tempted to support Democrat Carol Ammons for Congress. Carol by her own admission acquiesced to the lobbying of the Israeli consul in Chicago in relation to Senate Bill 1761 (support for Israeli apartheid - now the law in Illinois): . We need a candidate for Congress who calls for ~ no war: bring US troops and (weapons) home ~ no climate catastrophe: suppress carbon emissions ~ no immiseration: a universal basic income ~ no untreated illness: Medicare for all Unfortunately, Carol supports none of those positions. —CGE > On May 7, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Several years ago, working in cahoots with ADL/AIPAC, the Rabbi at Hillel on Campus filed a Complaint with the Law Dean demanding that I be sanctioned. The Law Dean should have told the Rabbi to take a hike. Instead, since the Law Dean was Jewish, the Law Dean told the Rabbi and me that he was going to open an investigation into the Campus Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. I did not dignify the Law Dean and the Campus Hillel Rabbi with a response. After about two weeks of investigation, the Illiniwaks Law Dean dismissed the Illiniwaks Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. So it goes at the ADL/AIPAC University of Illiniwaks. > Fab > D in BDS. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:50 AM > To: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay > Subject: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > > Ditto And In Spades for the University of Illiniwaks. > Fab > D in BDS. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > Feed: Videos matching: "Francis boyle" > Posted on: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:05 PM > Author: stanheller55 > Subject: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > > > "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > Some stinging remarks about US professors and Palestine from University of Illinois law school professor Francis Boyle > From: stanheller55 > Views: 13688 > > 125 ratings > Time: 05:22 > More in News & Politics > > View article... > From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 7 13:55:35 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 13:55:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Carl. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:53 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" People in our Congressional district [IL-13] should keep incidents like this in mind if they’re tempted to support Democrat Carol Ammons for Congress. Carol by her own admission acquiesced to the lobbying of the Israeli consul in Chicago in relation to Senate Bill 1761 (support for Israeli apartheid - now the law in Illinois): . We need a candidate for Congress who calls for ~ no war: bring US troops and (weapons) home ~ no climate catastrophe: suppress carbon emissions ~ no immiseration: a universal basic income ~ no untreated illness: Medicare for all Unfortunately, Carol supports none of those positions. —CGE > On May 7, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Several years ago, working in cahoots with ADL/AIPAC, the Rabbi at Hillel on Campus filed a Complaint with the Law Dean demanding that I be sanctioned. The Law Dean should have told the Rabbi to take a hike. Instead, since the Law Dean was Jewish, the Law Dean told the Rabbi and me that he was going to open an investigation into the Campus Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. I did not dignify the Law Dean and the Campus Hillel Rabbi with a response. After about two weeks of investigation, the Illiniwaks Law Dean dismissed the Illiniwaks Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. So it goes at the ADL/AIPAC University of Illiniwaks. > Fab > D in BDS. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:50 AM > To: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; > sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe > Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G ; > Jay > Subject: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > > Ditto And In Spades for the University of Illiniwaks. > Fab > D in BDS. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > Feed: Videos matching: "Francis boyle" > Posted on: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:05 PM > Author: stanheller55 > Subject: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > > > "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > Some stinging remarks about US professors and Palestine from > University of Illinois law school professor Francis Boyle > From: stanheller55 > Views: 13688 > > 125 ratings > Time: 05:22 > More in News & Politics > > View article... > From galliher at illinois.edu Sun May 7 14:19:21 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 09:19:21 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A5D3A84-12AB-409A-8B0F-64C3ED73CF7D@illinois.edu> Francis— You know you have an open invitation to participate in AWARE’s UPTV (& YouTube) program, ‘AWARE ON THE AIR.’ We record Tuesdays at noon in the Urbana City Council chambers. Regards, CGE > On May 7, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Thanks Carl. > Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:53 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay > Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > > People in our Congressional district [IL-13] should keep incidents like this in mind if they’re tempted to support Democrat Carol Ammons for Congress. > > Carol by her own admission acquiesced to the lobbying of the Israeli consul in Chicago in relation to Senate Bill 1761 (support for Israeli apartheid - now the law in Illinois): > > . > > We need a candidate for Congress who calls for > > ~ no war: bring US troops and (weapons) home ~ no climate catastrophe: suppress carbon emissions ~ no immiseration: a universal basic income ~ no untreated illness: Medicare for all > > Unfortunately, Carol supports none of those positions. > > —CGE > > >> On May 7, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Several years ago, working in cahoots with ADL/AIPAC, the Rabbi at Hillel on Campus filed a Complaint with the Law Dean demanding that I be sanctioned. The Law Dean should have told the Rabbi to take a hike. Instead, since the Law Dean was Jewish, the Law Dean told the Rabbi and me that he was going to open an investigation into the Campus Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. I did not dignify the Law Dean and the Campus Hillel Rabbi with a response. After about two weeks of investigation, the Illiniwaks Law Dean dismissed the Illiniwaks Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. So it goes at the ADL/AIPAC University of Illiniwaks. >> Fab >> D in BDS. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:50 AM >> To: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; >> sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; >> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe >> Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas >> ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene >> Hickory ; David Swanson ; >> Karen Aram ; >> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; >> mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; >> chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G ; >> Jay >> Subject: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >> >> Ditto And In Spades for the University of Illiniwaks. >> Fab >> D in BDS. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> Feed: Videos matching: "Francis boyle" >> Posted on: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:05 PM >> Author: stanheller55 >> Subject: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >> >> >> "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >> Some stinging remarks about US professors and Palestine from >> University of Illinois law school professor Francis Boyle >> From: stanheller55 >> Views: 13688 >> >> 125 ratings >> Time: 05:22 >> More in News & Politics >> >> View article... >> > From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 7 14:25:41 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 14:25:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And Carl is spot on. These types of pro-Israeli dirty tricks have gone on here at the ADL/AIPC University of Illiniwaks since I began teaching here in August 1978. Their Lynching of Salaita is the Tip of the Iceberg. Fab D in BDS. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:56 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay Subject: RE: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" Thanks Carl. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:53 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" People in our Congressional district [IL-13] should keep incidents like this in mind if they’re tempted to support Democrat Carol Ammons for Congress. Carol by her own admission acquiesced to the lobbying of the Israeli consul in Chicago in relation to Senate Bill 1761 (support for Israeli apartheid - now the law in Illinois): . We need a candidate for Congress who calls for ~ no war: bring US troops and (weapons) home ~ no climate catastrophe: suppress carbon emissions ~ no immiseration: a universal basic income ~ no untreated illness: Medicare for all Unfortunately, Carol supports none of those positions. —CGE > On May 7, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Several years ago, working in cahoots with ADL/AIPAC, the Rabbi at Hillel on Campus filed a Complaint with the Law Dean demanding that I be sanctioned. The Law Dean should have told the Rabbi to take a hike. Instead, since the Law Dean was Jewish, the Law Dean told the Rabbi and me that he was going to open an investigation into the Campus Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. I did not dignify the Law Dean and the Campus Hillel Rabbi with a response. After about two weeks of investigation, the Illiniwaks Law Dean dismissed the Illiniwaks Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. So it goes at the ADL/AIPAC University of Illiniwaks. > Fab > D in BDS. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:50 AM > To: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; > sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe > Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G ; > Jay > Subject: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > > Ditto And In Spades for the University of Illiniwaks. > Fab > D in BDS. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > Feed: Videos matching: "Francis boyle" > Posted on: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:05 PM > Author: stanheller55 > Subject: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > > > "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > Some stinging remarks about US professors and Palestine from > University of Illinois law school professor Francis Boyle > From: stanheller55 > Views: 13688 > > 125 ratings > Time: 05:22 > More in News & Politics > > View article... > From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 7 14:31:23 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 14:31:23 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" In-Reply-To: <5A5D3A84-12AB-409A-8B0F-64C3ED73CF7D@illinois.edu> References: <5A5D3A84-12AB-409A-8B0F-64C3ED73CF7D@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Thanks Carl. Yeah, as I had mentioned before, I do all of my teaching on Mondays and Tuesdays. So I cannot fit that into my schedule during the academic year. And now this is the end of the semester here and I am up to my eyeballs in work and travel until at least the end of June. But hopefully I can get over there sometime this summer again. I owe you a great debt of gratitude for letting me launch my Campaign against Killer Koh on your TV show last summer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 9:19 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Szoke, Ron ; Karen Aram ; mickalideh at gmail.com Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" Francis— You know you have an open invitation to participate in AWARE’s UPTV (& YouTube) program, ‘AWARE ON THE AIR.’ We record Tuesdays at noon in the Urbana City Council chambers. Regards, CGE > On May 7, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Thanks Carl. > Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:53 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; > sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe > Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay > Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > > People in our Congressional district [IL-13] should keep incidents like this in mind if they’re tempted to support Democrat Carol Ammons for Congress. > > Carol by her own admission acquiesced to the lobbying of the Israeli consul in Chicago in relation to Senate Bill 1761 (support for Israeli apartheid - now the law in Illinois): > > . > > We need a candidate for Congress who calls for > > ~ no war: bring US troops and (weapons) home ~ no climate catastrophe: > suppress carbon emissions ~ no immiseration: a universal basic income > ~ no untreated illness: Medicare for all > > Unfortunately, Carol supports none of those positions. > > —CGE > > >> On May 7, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Several years ago, working in cahoots with ADL/AIPAC, the Rabbi at Hillel on Campus filed a Complaint with the Law Dean demanding that I be sanctioned. The Law Dean should have told the Rabbi to take a hike. Instead, since the Law Dean was Jewish, the Law Dean told the Rabbi and me that he was going to open an investigation into the Campus Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. I did not dignify the Law Dean and the Campus Hillel Rabbi with a response. After about two weeks of investigation, the Illiniwaks Law Dean dismissed the Illiniwaks Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. So it goes at the ADL/AIPAC University of Illiniwaks. >> Fab >> D in BDS. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:50 AM >> To: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; >> sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; >> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe >> Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas >> ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene >> Hickory ; David Swanson ; >> Karen Aram ; >> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; >> mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; >> chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G ; >> Jay >> Subject: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >> >> Ditto And In Spades for the University of Illiniwaks. >> Fab >> D in BDS. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> Feed: Videos matching: "Francis boyle" >> Posted on: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:05 PM >> Author: stanheller55 >> Subject: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >> >> >> "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >> Some stinging remarks about US professors and Palestine from >> University of Illinois law school professor Francis Boyle >> From: stanheller55 >> Views: 13688 >> >> 125 ratings >> Time: 05:22 >> More in News & Politics >> >> View article... >> > From galliher at illinois.edu Sun May 7 14:47:10 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 09:47:10 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" In-Reply-To: References: <5A5D3A84-12AB-409A-8B0F-64C3ED73CF7D@illinois.edu> Message-ID: There will, I’m afraid, be a lot to talk about this summer - now that the administration has been forced back into the wretched Obama-Clinton war policies. —CGE > On May 7, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Thanks Carl. Yeah, as I had mentioned before, I do all of my teaching on Mondays and Tuesdays. So I cannot fit that into my schedule during the academic year. And now this is the end of the semester here and I am up to my eyeballs in work and travel until at least the end of June. But hopefully I can get over there sometime this summer again. I owe you a great debt of gratitude for letting me launch my Campaign against Killer Koh on your TV show last summer. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 9:19 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Szoke, Ron ; Karen Aram ; mickalideh at gmail.com > Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > > Francis— You know you have an open invitation to participate in AWARE’s UPTV (& YouTube) program, ‘AWARE ON THE AIR.’ > > We record Tuesdays at noon in the Urbana City Council chambers. Regards, CGE > > >> On May 7, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Thanks Carl. >> Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:53 AM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; >> sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; >> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe >> Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas >> ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene >> Hickory ; David Swanson ; >> Karen Aram ; >> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; >> mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; >> chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay >> Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >> >> People in our Congressional district [IL-13] should keep incidents like this in mind if they’re tempted to support Democrat Carol Ammons for Congress. >> >> Carol by her own admission acquiesced to the lobbying of the Israeli consul in Chicago in relation to Senate Bill 1761 (support for Israeli apartheid - now the law in Illinois): >> >> . >> >> We need a candidate for Congress who calls for >> >> ~ no war: bring US troops and (weapons) home ~ no climate catastrophe: >> suppress carbon emissions ~ no immiseration: a universal basic income >> ~ no untreated illness: Medicare for all >> >> Unfortunately, Carol supports none of those positions. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On May 7, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> Several years ago, working in cahoots with ADL/AIPAC, the Rabbi at Hillel on Campus filed a Complaint with the Law Dean demanding that I be sanctioned. The Law Dean should have told the Rabbi to take a hike. Instead, since the Law Dean was Jewish, the Law Dean told the Rabbi and me that he was going to open an investigation into the Campus Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. I did not dignify the Law Dean and the Campus Hillel Rabbi with a response. After about two weeks of investigation, the Illiniwaks Law Dean dismissed the Illiniwaks Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. So it goes at the ADL/AIPAC University of Illiniwaks. >>> Fab >>> D in BDS. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> From: Boyle, Francis A >>> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:50 AM >>> To: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; >>> sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; >>> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe >>> Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas >>> ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene >>> Hickory ; David Swanson ; >>> Karen Aram ; >>> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; >>> mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; >>> chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl G ; >>> Jay >>> Subject: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >>> >>> Ditto And In Spades for the University of Illiniwaks. >>> Fab >>> D in BDS. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> Feed: Videos matching: "Francis boyle" >>> Posted on: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:05 PM >>> Author: stanheller55 >>> Subject: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >>> >>> >>> "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >>> Some stinging remarks about US professors and Palestine from >>> University of Illinois law school professor Francis Boyle >>> From: stanheller55 >>> Views: 13688 >>> >>> 125 ratings >>> Time: 05:22 >>> More in News & Politics >>> >>> View article... >>> >> > From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 7 14:56:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 14:56:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" In-Reply-To: References: <5A5D3A84-12AB-409A-8B0F-64C3ED73CF7D@illinois.edu> Message-ID: For sure. I will get over there sometime this summer for sure. Right now I am just booked solid until about the end of June. At least we don't have Dean Killer Koh in there murdering more Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color. He can keep stinking up Yale Law School like his predecessor Dean Gene Half-an-Eichmann Rostow. Killing Kids At Yale Law School indeed. Of course we still have Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort CIA/Mossad Michael Moore stinking up this law school, this campus and our Good Community advocating torture of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 9:47 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Szoke, Ron ; Karen Aram ; mickalideh at gmail.com Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" There will, I’m afraid, be a lot to talk about this summer - now that the administration has been forced back into the wretched Obama-Clinton war policies. —CGE > On May 7, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Thanks Carl. Yeah, as I had mentioned before, I do all of my teaching on Mondays and Tuesdays. So I cannot fit that into my schedule during the academic year. And now this is the end of the semester here and I am up to my eyeballs in work and travel until at least the end of June. But hopefully I can get over there sometime this summer again. I owe you a great debt of gratitude for letting me launch my Campaign against Killer Koh on your TV show last summer. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 9:19 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Szoke, Ron ; Karen Aram > ; mickalideh at gmail.com > Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > > Francis— You know you have an open invitation to participate in AWARE’s UPTV (& YouTube) program, ‘AWARE ON THE AIR.’ > > We record Tuesdays at noon in the Urbana City Council chambers. > Regards, CGE > > >> On May 7, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Thanks Carl. >> Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:53 AM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; >> sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; >> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe >> Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas >> ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene >> Hickory ; David Swanson ; >> Karen Aram ; >> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; >> mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; >> chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay >> Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >> >> People in our Congressional district [IL-13] should keep incidents like this in mind if they’re tempted to support Democrat Carol Ammons for Congress. >> >> Carol by her own admission acquiesced to the lobbying of the Israeli consul in Chicago in relation to Senate Bill 1761 (support for Israeli apartheid - now the law in Illinois): >> >> . >> >> We need a candidate for Congress who calls for >> >> ~ no war: bring US troops and (weapons) home ~ no climate catastrophe: >> suppress carbon emissions ~ no immiseration: a universal basic income >> ~ no untreated illness: Medicare for all >> >> Unfortunately, Carol supports none of those positions. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On May 7, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> Several years ago, working in cahoots with ADL/AIPAC, the Rabbi at Hillel on Campus filed a Complaint with the Law Dean demanding that I be sanctioned. The Law Dean should have told the Rabbi to take a hike. Instead, since the Law Dean was Jewish, the Law Dean told the Rabbi and me that he was going to open an investigation into the Campus Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. I did not dignify the Law Dean and the Campus Hillel Rabbi with a response. After about two weeks of investigation, the Illiniwaks Law Dean dismissed the Illiniwaks Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. So it goes at the ADL/AIPAC University of Illiniwaks. >>> Fab >>> D in BDS. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> From: Boyle, Francis A >>> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:50 AM >>> To: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; >>> sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK >>> ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >>> ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, >>> Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron >>> ; Arlene Hickory ; David >>> Swanson ; Karen Aram >>> ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; >>> abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >>> ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl >>> G ; Jay >>> Subject: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >>> >>> Ditto And In Spades for the University of Illiniwaks. >>> Fab >>> D in BDS. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> Feed: Videos matching: "Francis boyle" >>> Posted on: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:05 PM >>> Author: stanheller55 >>> Subject: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >>> >>> >>> "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >>> Some stinging remarks about US professors and Palestine from >>> University of Illinois law school professor Francis Boyle >>> From: stanheller55 >>> Views: 13688 >>> >>> 125 ratings >>> Time: 05:22 >>> More in News & Politics >>> >>> View article... >>> >> > From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 7 15:07:54 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 15:07:54 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" References: <5A5D3A84-12AB-409A-8B0F-64C3ED73CF7D@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Elephant Stampede When I was a young boy Every year with my Dad We would go to see Ringling Brothers, Barnum and Bailey At the Old Amphitheater Three Rings At the end of the show Came their famous elephant stampede Pachyderms would line up in a row With scantily clad young women on top At the appointed time With their trunks they would grasp Tails of the elephants in front And rumble around all 3 rings Like an earthquake The band played on Girls riding bareback waving Me agog! Elephants are an incontinent lot Pissing and crapping as they plodded along So at the rear of each pach Was a man dressed in a janitor suit With a metal garbage can on wheelies And a coal shovel As each animal would crap Its man would reach in with his shovel Scoop it right out Plop the poop in the can Before the next elephant stomped on it Magnificently choreographed for all to see Ballet of elephants and men and poop on a scoop Every once in a while His man could not get in there on time So the next elephant would stomp On a dropped pile of shit That would splat around the Old Amphitheater Much amused! I am reminded of this childhood spectacle Now near the start of my 40th year here At the college of law After eleven years of Deans Hurd and Smith Dropping their crap all around These Ivy bedecked halls In two separate scandals One after the other Up to our necks in their Decanal shit Who is going to scoop it all up? Where are we going to put it? Or will we just let it stink? Wafting up our nostrils As it has done now all these years Onward and upward To pickle our brains Now fermented in their shit For well over a decade Here’s to Deans Hurd and Smith Long may they live In the Annals of College of Law Shit! Coda Ringling has now retired their elephants No more krapping elephant stampedes But our 2 krapping ex-Deans still remain Stinking up the place Alas! On both counts! Krapping elephants greatly amused me as a kid Krapping ex-law-deans today do not They should go stink up somewhere else For both are all krapped out here Coda 2017 Ringling Brothers is now shut down But ex-Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd Is still around With her Consort Michael Moore Stinking the place up Publicly advocating torture What a disgrace! For CIA and Mossad I kid you not! Elephant shit indeed Two elephants Krapping up my home Since August 21, 1978   Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 9:57 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Szoke, Ron ; Karen Aram ; mickalideh at gmail.com Subject: RE: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" For sure. I will get over there sometime this summer for sure. Right now I am just booked solid until about the end of June. At least we don't have Dean Killer Koh in there murdering more Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color. He can keep stinking up Yale Law School like his predecessor Dean Gene Half-an-Eichmann Rostow. Killing Kids At Yale Law School indeed. Of course we still have Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort CIA/Mossad Michael Moore stinking up this law school, this campus and our Good Community advocating torture of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 9:47 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Szoke, Ron ; Karen Aram ; mickalideh at gmail.com Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" There will, I’m afraid, be a lot to talk about this summer - now that the administration has been forced back into the wretched Obama-Clinton war policies. —CGE > On May 7, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Thanks Carl. Yeah, as I had mentioned before, I do all of my teaching on Mondays and Tuesdays. So I cannot fit that into my schedule during the academic year. And now this is the end of the semester here and I am up to my eyeballs in work and travel until at least the end of June. But hopefully I can get over there sometime this summer again. I owe you a great debt of gratitude for letting me launch my Campaign against Killer Koh on your TV show last summer. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 9:19 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Szoke, Ron ; Karen Aram > ; mickalideh at gmail.com > Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" > > Francis— You know you have an open invitation to participate in AWARE’s UPTV (& YouTube) program, ‘AWARE ON THE AIR.’ > > We record Tuesdays at noon in the Urbana City Council chambers. > Regards, CGE > > >> On May 7, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Thanks Carl. >> Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:53 AM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; >> sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK ; >> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe >> Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas >> ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene >> Hickory ; David Swanson ; >> Karen Aram ; >> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; >> mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; >> chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay >> Subject: Re: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >> >> People in our Congressional district [IL-13] should keep incidents like this in mind if they’re tempted to support Democrat Carol Ammons for Congress. >> >> Carol by her own admission acquiesced to the lobbying of the Israeli consul in Chicago in relation to Senate Bill 1761 (support for Israeli apartheid - now the law in Illinois): >> >> . >> >> We need a candidate for Congress who calls for >> >> ~ no war: bring US troops and (weapons) home ~ no climate catastrophe: >> suppress carbon emissions ~ no immiseration: a universal basic income >> ~ no untreated illness: Medicare for all >> >> Unfortunately, Carol supports none of those positions. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On May 7, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> Several years ago, working in cahoots with ADL/AIPAC, the Rabbi at Hillel on Campus filed a Complaint with the Law Dean demanding that I be sanctioned. The Law Dean should have told the Rabbi to take a hike. Instead, since the Law Dean was Jewish, the Law Dean told the Rabbi and me that he was going to open an investigation into the Campus Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. I did not dignify the Law Dean and the Campus Hillel Rabbi with a response. After about two weeks of investigation, the Illiniwaks Law Dean dismissed the Illiniwaks Hillel Rabbi’s Complaint against me. So it goes at the ADL/AIPAC University of Illiniwaks. >>> Fab >>> D in BDS. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> From: Boyle, Francis A >>> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:50 AM >>> To: David Green ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; >>> sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; C. G. ESTABROOK >>> ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >>> ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, >>> Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron >>> ; Arlene Hickory ; David >>> Swanson ; Karen Aram >>> ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; >>> abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >>> ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Estabrook, Carl >>> G ; Jay >>> Subject: US Academics: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >>> >>> Ditto And In Spades for the University of Illiniwaks. >>> Fab >>> D in BDS. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> Feed: Videos matching: "Francis boyle" >>> Posted on: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:05 PM >>> Author: stanheller55 >>> Subject: "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >>> >>> >>> "Racists and Hypocrites When it Comes to Palestinians" >>> Some stinging remarks about US professors and Palestine from >>> University of Illinois law school professor Francis Boyle >>> From: stanheller55 >>> Views: 13688 >>> >>> 125 ratings >>> Time: 05:22 >>> More in News & Politics >>> >>> View article... >>> >> > From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun May 7 16:00:56 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 16:00:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: "Interview with Professor Francis Boyle" References: Message-ID: This is quite a good interview covering a wide array of topics relevant to that which are being discussed today. 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He also instructs a senior seminar in the Honors Department at the George Washington University entitled "National Security Decision Making." ________________________________ transcript [Wilkerson on Afghanistan: The Longest U.S. War Will Go on for Decades]Aaron Mate: It's 'The Real News,' I'm Aaron Mate. Afghanistan is the longest US war, and it's deadlier than ever. The new US government report says the toll for Afghan civilians and military forces last year was the highest on record. The violence forced more than 660,000 people to flee their homes, also the most to date. US generals have requested thousands of additional troops. In a recent interview, national security advisor, H.R. McMaster hinted at a looming escalation. H.R. McMaster: This is really the modern day frontier between barbarism and civilization. With those high stakes in mind, recognizing that the Taliban groups that we're fighting here, that the ISIS groups that we alongside, really the Afghan forces are really fighting and we're just enabling them in the Eastern part of the country, are a threat to all civilized peoples. Aaron Mate: The Taliban is said to control at least one-third of Afghanistan, more than 15 years after the US invasion. A recent Taliban attack on an Afghan base was one of it's worst to date, killing some 160 Afghan soldiers. The violence could only rise as the spring fighting season begins. Joining me is Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State, Colin Powell; now a distinguished professor at the College of William and Mary in Virginia. Colonel Wilkerson, welcome back. Col. Wilkerson: Good to be here. Aaron Mate: We have talk now of President Trump sending more US troops back to Afghanistan at the rest of it's generals. What amazes me about this discussion is that it wasn't too long ago, in 2011 at the height of President Obama's surge, we had 100,000 US troops there. That wasn't sufficient to beat the Taliban, so now with about 9,000 troops, there's talk of sending a few thousand more; as if that could somehow make a difference. What do you make of what is this never ending US war in Afghanistan, almost 16 years old? Col. Wilkerson: The first thing I make of it is that I've heard this before. I guess I'm getting too old. I've heard generals ask from foreign theaters for more troops, enough times to know that none of them have succeeded with those more troops; and that it seems to be the only thing that generals know how to ask for, more troops. That said, the situation in Afghanistan is truly bad. It's probably as bad as it has been in the past 16 years. The Taliban, as you indicated, control more territory now probably than they have at any time since the inception of the conflict, when they more or less were the government of the state of Afghanistan. It's looking pretty bad. That said, I think the strategic rationale for staying in Afghanistan is shifting. Let me back up just a moment and say that if it is going to shift, then the major impediment to what has been, according to the generals, the problem in Afghanistan, too few troops, is going to be exacerbated majorly. We simply do not have enough troops to do all these brush fire wars, these peripheral empire wars. We just don't have enough troops. If we're going to do these things, and we're going to do them more effectively, we'd better think about conscription, or at least a much larger armed force than we have. Given recruitment details of late, there's no way we could recruit an all volunteer force of that size, so as I said, we probably need to be thinking about conscription. All of that to say that I think the strategic rational has shifted, I think we're staying in Afghanistan for the next 50 years. The reason I say that is because Afghanistan presents us with the only opportunity, land opportunity, territory opportunity upon which to put US forces that can, at any given time that they desire to, that the president orders it, interdict, interfere with, or give the Chinese some trouble with their one belt, one road theory; essentially building a new silk road from Xinjiang Province all the way through the region and up into Europe. The only way the United States can impact that with hard military force would be from a position somewhere along that route. We discovered, with regard to the Eastern Mediterranean in Afghanistan, for example, that it's extremely difficult, if not well nigh impossible to do it out of the Eastern Mediterranean with naval air forces and air forces. I don't see that we are going to leave Afghanistan if this is indeed the shifting strategic rationale any time soon. Aaron Mate: Okay, so this is a reasoning that is not mentioned, if ever mentioned, as a reason for the US being in Afghanistan. You're saying that it is not linked to Taliban control of Afghanistan, and their original harboring of Al Qaeda, but actually US designs when it comes to China. When you served under the Bush administration, back in 2001 when this invasion was launched, was China a consideration back then? Col. Wilkerson: China was a consideration only in the sense that we knew we were getting very close. After all, we'd had an experience with getting close to the Chinese border when we ran Korea in '50, you may recall. The Chinese entered with 300,000 volunteers. Situations changed a lot, but we were somewhat concerned about having a border with China, and being in Afghanistan, that features that border. People looking at it at that time made sure that the Chinese knew that we were not going to linger. Well, we've lingered for 16, almost 17 years now. We're looking at a whole different tapestry of possibilities now, too. We're looking at the possible Israeli now financed I understand largely by people like Goldman Sachs. Wow, wonder why Donald Trump has Goldman Sachs in the White House. Pipeline, running up from. Aaron Mate: Well, wait a second, Colonel Wilkerson. Are you suggesting that Goldman Sachs being in the White House is somehow linked to the Israeli government's financial ties to Goldman? Col. Wilkerson: How in the world would anyone ever not think that? I mean how could I be so naïve to think that I don't believe Goldman Sachs is connected in some way to the leadership in Israel, and the Israeli leadership connected to Goldman Sachs? Aaron Mate: Well, that may be true, but that doesn't mean that, that's why Trump has them in the White House. I mean it could just be, as many administrations have close ties to Wall Street, Trump is just following that trend; certainly as a billionaire with a lot of billionaire friends, that's not very implausible. Col. Wilkerson: Oh absolutely, absolutely. President Obama, President Bush, everybody has Goldman Sachs in the White House, whether it's Bob Reuben, the most powerful member of Clinton's administration, or it's Larry Summers, or whomever. We always have Goldman Sachs in the White House, as it were. That's how influence is exerted. You stopped me as I was trying to tell you about the pipeline coming out of Israel and going up into Europe. The pipeline coming out of Iran, and going ostensibly into Europe. The old TAPI pipipeline, the Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India. There are so many pipelines running across there at the tune of billions and billions of dollars in investment and potential investment, and ultimate profit, that one boggles when one looks at a map at what's happening in this area both East, West, and North and South now. It's very difficult for me. Now, I have to realize that we don't have too many strategic thinkers in the White House, nor apparently anymore do we have too many in the Pentagon. If there are any, they've got to be looking at things like this. They got to be looking at Afghanistan and saying, "Voila! Look what we have here. We have a place where we have military forces in the middle of all of this." If I were a military professional and I saw that, I don't believe I'd be recommending to the Commander in Chief that we remove those military forces any time soon. Aaron Mate: Okay, let me put you the conventional reasons that we hear for arguing against the US withdrawal. It's said that now we don't just have the Taliban, but there's also the remaining Al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan. Now we also have ISIS with a foothold there, especially on the border with Pakistan. We also have the Haqqani network, another militant group. Then, there's the central argument also that if the US withdraws, it's feared that, that would destabilize Pakistan. How do you address those issues? Col. Wilkerson: Those are all serious issues. Of course, had we not invaded Iraq in March of 2003, all of that would probably be a hell of a lot lesser level than it is right now. I read an analysis, I believe it was by the Soufan Group recently, where we had so many thousands of Al Qaeda, for example, in the world immediately after 9/11, and now we have so many more thousands of them. We have all kinds of other organizations, too, like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's ISIS, which came out of Iraq, and the Al Qaeda. The policies of the United States have indeed created lots more problems in the world, particularly problems with burgeoning and growing terrorist groups, who are burgeoning and growing on account of our policies with regard to them. So yes, but I would not look at that except as a tactical issue. Bad, got to be dealt with, of course; but it's a tactical issue. The strategic issue, the issue of trillions of dollars, the issues of two clashing economies, the issues indeed of the two giants of the world, the United States and China, criss-cross nicely in Afghanistan; and Pakistan, who happens to be ostensibly a US ally that seems more often a Chinese ally than it does US. Yes, your point is well taken, but I pull it up into the grand strategic issues, rather than the tactical issues and say this is all about the great game. The great game used to be Russia and England, and so forth. The great game is now the United States and China. Aaron Mate: You mention Pakistan being a Chinese ally. There are elements in Pakistan that are also closely tied to the Taliban. The Taliban itself, as a foe, as a US foe, now they did harbor Al Qaeda but aside from that, correct me if I'm wrong, but they do not pose an international terrorist threat. They don't attack people abroad, as far as I know. Is there a possibility of making peace with them right now in Afghanistan with them controlling so much territory, and this war just never seeming to end? Col. Wilkerson: I think I'd be moving that way if I were the United States and I had a brain. I'd be moving that way, because as I said, this is a much bigger game than just these regional terrorist groups, or even as you say, terrorist groups with a global capability. Which, to this point, has only been Al Qaeda. I say that because you're looking at a nuclear country in Pakistan. You're looking at a nuclear country in India, and of course, China. You're looking at the intersection of all the interests of these countries, plus the imperial power, the United States, all coming to bear right there. You've got India and Pakistan still not settled, in terms of the main issues between them. You've got Pakistan supporting the Taliban to per debate Afghanistan because that gives India heartburn. You've got Kashmir, again, bubbling a little bit. You've got Modi in India and what he's done to stabilize India; but the problem between the Muslims and the Hindus in that country. You've got India as a major, shall we say bulwark against China. More and more are closely associated with the United States; particularly, it's navy. You've got all these powers aligning themselves from time to time in different ways, but basically, laying themselves down as China versus the United States; and the others having to choose from time to time which side diplomatically or otherwise they'll be on, on any given issue. It's all about power. It's all about grand strategic power. Frankly, these terrorists are insignificant to that. They're a problem. They're a problem that has to be dealt with by all of those countries in the region. Rashkari Kayaba, for example, in Kashmir. They're not the grand strategic problem that the interstices and the interplay of all these great powers and near great powers in the region are. Aaron Mate: Now, on the issue of foreign powers in Afghanistan, I want to play for you the comment of General John Nicholson, the Commander of US forces in Afghanistan. He recently suggested that Russia is now arming the Taliban. This is what he said. John Nicholson: We continue to get reports of this assistance, and of course, we have the overt legitimacy lent to the Taliban by the Russians, that really occurred late last year, beginning through this process they've been undertaking. Reporter: You're not refuting that there's any weapons. John Nicholson: Oh no, I'm not refuting that. Aaron Mate: Colonel, there's a certain irony here, whether or not the charge is true or not; because in the 80s, we all remember that it was the US that waged sort of this proxy fight against Russia through support of the forces that eventually became the Taliban ... Drawing Russia into this long, protracted war inside Afghanistan that lasted about ten years. Now the US is inside Afghanistan as an occupying force of it's own, has been there even longer. It's been there 15 years. Now, we have the US accusing Russia of arming the Taliban, who the US long ago armed to weaken Russia. Col. Wilkerson: You just named the great game. The partners change, the side fluctuate a bit, but the great game goes on. If I were to ... I'm not saying that I believe General Nicholson. I'm not saying that I believe that the Russians are arming the Taliban, but if I were Moscow, I would be arming the Taliban. I would be turning the tables on the other empire in the world, the United States. I would be doing it for good reasons, good, solid, strategic reasons because the United States is in Afghanistan. That's very close to my borders. I don't like the United States in Afghanistan. I don't like it in Georgia. I don't like it in Ukraine. I don't like it in Latvia, Estonia, or Lithuania, either. This is all about power. It's about strategic power. If I were Moscow, I would be arming the Taliban against the United States in Afghanistan in an effort to get the United States out of Afghanistan. Aaron Mate: Okay, so I'm sorry to end on this grim note, but you've mentioned all these different foreign powers and their [inaudible 00:15:44] inside Afghanistan. You mentioned you thinking that the US will be there for decades to come. What does this mean then for the people of Afghanistan? Col. Wilkerson: As with the people of all the satellite countries that the United States and the Soviet Union, they then to contesting imperial powers, per debated with their proxy wars and everything, probably the same thing. I mean I recall Central Africa, I recall Angola, I recall Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Southeast Asia in general, South America, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras. These are places where the great powers play in their proxy wars. It's all shifted now. Not completely, of course. There's still some things going on in other places, too, like Yemen. It shifted and it's major focus now, instead of being in South America, in Africa, or wherever, it's major focus is right there in Central Asia on the old silk road, if you will, and the contestation between some fairly formidable powers: China, India, Russia, the United States. This is history. It's happening. It's about real power interests. It's about real economic and financial interests. It's going to go on. We use terrorism as an excuse to be places or to do things when in fact, it has very little to do with terrorism and everything to do with great power, economics, and the finances associated with that great power. Aaron Mate: Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, the former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State, Colin Powell, now a professor at the College of William and Mary. Colonel, thank you as always. Col. Wilkerson: Thanks for having me. Aaron Mate: Thank you for joining us on 'The Real News.' END -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun May 7 17:42:43 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:42:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=C2=A0Colonel_Lawrence_Wilkerson=3A?= =?utf-8?b?wqBMb25nZXN0wqBVLlMuwqBXYXLCoFdpbGzCoEdvwqBvbsKgZm9ywqBEZWNh?= =?utf-8?q?des?= Message-ID: Col. Wilkerson is only one of many, former USG employees confirming what some of us have been saying for some time: Watch this video from The Real News Network, or read the below: http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival= Lawrence Wilkerson is a retired United States Army soldier and former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell. Wilkerson is an adjunct professor at the College of William & Mary where he teaches courses on US national security. He also instructs a senior seminar in the Honors Department at the George Washington University entitled "National Security Decision Making." ________________________________ transcript [Wilkerson on Afghanistan: The Longest U.S. War Will Go on for Decades]Aaron Mate: It's 'The Real News,' I'm Aaron Mate. Afghanistan is the longest US war, and it's deadlier than ever. The new US government report says the toll for Afghan civilians and military forces last year was the highest on record. The violence forced more than 660,000 people to flee their homes, also the most to date. US generals have requested thousands of additional troops. In a recent interview, national security advisor, H.R. McMaster hinted at a looming escalation. H.R. McMaster: This is really the modern day frontier between barbarism and civilization. With those high stakes in mind, recognizing that the Taliban groups that we're fighting here, that the ISIS groups that we alongside, really the Afghan forces are really fighting and we're just enabling them in the Eastern part of the country, are a threat to all civilized peoples. Aaron Mate: The Taliban is said to control at least one-third of Afghanistan, more than 15 years after the US invasion. A recent Taliban attack on an Afghan base was one of it's worst to date, killing some 160 Afghan soldiers. The violence could only rise as the spring fighting season begins. Joining me is Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State, Colin Powell; now a distinguished professor at the College of William and Mary in Virginia. Colonel Wilkerson, welcome back. Col. Wilkerson: Good to be here. Aaron Mate: We have talk now of President Trump sending more US troops back to Afghanistan at the rest of it's generals. What amazes me about this discussion is that it wasn't too long ago, in 2011 at the height of President Obama's surge, we had 100,000 US troops there. That wasn't sufficient to beat the Taliban, so now with about 9,000 troops, there's talk of sending a few thousand more; as if that could somehow make a difference. What do you make of what is this never ending US war in Afghanistan, almost 16 years old? Col. Wilkerson: The first thing I make of it is that I've heard this before. I guess I'm getting too old. I've heard generals ask from foreign theaters for more troops, enough times to know that none of them have succeeded with those more troops; and that it seems to be the only thing that generals know how to ask for, more troops. That said, the situation in Afghanistan is truly bad. It's probably as bad as it has been in the past 16 years. The Taliban, as you indicated, control more territory now probably than they have at any time since the inception of the conflict, when they more or less were the government of the state of Afghanistan. It's looking pretty bad. That said, I think the strategic rationale for staying in Afghanistan is shifting. Let me back up just a moment and say that if it is going to shift, then the major impediment to what has been, according to the generals, the problem in Afghanistan, too few troops, is going to be exacerbated majorly. We simply do not have enough troops to do all these brush fire wars, these peripheral empire wars. We just don't have enough troops. If we're going to do these things, and we're going to do them more effectively, we'd better think about conscription, or at least a much larger armed force than we have. Given recruitment details of late, there's no way we could recruit an all volunteer force of that size, so as I said, we probably need to be thinking about conscription. All of that to say that I think the strategic rational has shifted, I think we're staying in Afghanistan for the next 50 years. The reason I say that is because Afghanistan presents us with the only opportunity, land opportunity, territory opportunity upon which to put US forces that can, at any given time that they desire to, that the president orders it, interdict, interfere with, or give the Chinese some trouble with their one belt, one road theory; essentially building a new silk road from Xinjiang Province all the way through the region and up into Europe. The only way the United States can impact that with hard military force would be from a position somewhere along that route. We discovered, with regard to the Eastern Mediterranean in Afghanistan, for example, that it's extremely difficult, if not well nigh impossible to do it out of the Eastern Mediterranean with naval air forces and air forces. I don't see that we are going to leave Afghanistan if this is indeed the shifting strategic rationale any time soon. Aaron Mate: Okay, so this is a reasoning that is not mentioned, if ever mentioned, as a reason for the US being in Afghanistan. You're saying that it is not linked to Taliban control of Afghanistan, and their original harboring of Al Qaeda, but actually US designs when it comes to China. When you served under the Bush administration, back in 2001 when this invasion was launched, was China a consideration back then? Col. Wilkerson: China was a consideration only in the sense that we knew we were getting very close. After all, we'd had an experience with getting close to the Chinese border when we ran Korea in '50, you may recall. The Chinese entered with 300,000 volunteers. Situations changed a lot, but we were somewhat concerned about having a border with China, and being in Afghanistan, that features that border. People looking at it at that time made sure that the Chinese knew that we were not going to linger. Well, we've lingered for 16, almost 17 years now. We're looking at a whole different tapestry of possibilities now, too. We're looking at the possible Israeli now financed I understand largely by people like Goldman Sachs. Wow, wonder why Donald Trump has Goldman Sachs in the White House. Pipeline, running up from. Aaron Mate: Well, wait a second, Colonel Wilkerson. Are you suggesting that Goldman Sachs being in the White House is somehow linked to the Israeli government's financial ties to Goldman? Col. Wilkerson: How in the world would anyone ever not think that? I mean how could I be so naïve to think that I don't believe Goldman Sachs is connected in some way to the leadership in Israel, and the Israeli leadership connected to Goldman Sachs? Aaron Mate: Well, that may be true, but that doesn't mean that, that's why Trump has them in the White House. I mean it could just be, as many administrations have close ties to Wall Street, Trump is just following that trend; certainly as a billionaire with a lot of billionaire friends, that's not very implausible. Col. Wilkerson: Oh absolutely, absolutely. President Obama, President Bush, everybody has Goldman Sachs in the White House, whether it's Bob Reuben, the most powerful member of Clinton's administration, or it's Larry Summers, or whomever. We always have Goldman Sachs in the White House, as it were. That's how influence is exerted. You stopped me as I was trying to tell you about the pipeline coming out of Israel and going up into Europe. The pipeline coming out of Iran, and going ostensibly into Europe. The old TAPI pipipeline, the Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India. There are so many pipelines running across there at the tune of billions and billions of dollars in investment and potential investment, and ultimate profit, that one boggles when one looks at a map at what's happening in this area both East, West, and North and South now. It's very difficult for me. Now, I have to realize that we don't have too many strategic thinkers in the White House, nor apparently anymore do we have too many in the Pentagon. If there are any, they've got to be looking at things like this. They got to be looking at Afghanistan and saying, "Voila! Look what we have here. We have a place where we have military forces in the middle of all of this." If I were a military professional and I saw that, I don't believe I'd be recommending to the Commander in Chief that we remove those military forces any time soon. Aaron Mate: Okay, let me put you the conventional reasons that we hear for arguing against the US withdrawal. It's said that now we don't just have the Taliban, but there's also the remaining Al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan. Now we also have ISIS with a foothold there, especially on the border with Pakistan. We also have the Haqqani network, another militant group. Then, there's the central argument also that if the US withdraws, it's feared that, that would destabilize Pakistan. How do you address those issues? Col. Wilkerson: Those are all serious issues. Of course, had we not invaded Iraq in March of 2003, all of that would probably be a hell of a lot lesser level than it is right now. I read an analysis, I believe it was by the Soufan Group recently, where we had so many thousands of Al Qaeda, for example, in the world immediately after 9/11, and now we have so many more thousands of them. We have all kinds of other organizations, too, like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's ISIS, which came out of Iraq, and the Al Qaeda. The policies of the United States have indeed created lots more problems in the world, particularly problems with burgeoning and growing terrorist groups, who are burgeoning and growing on account of our policies with regard to them. So yes, but I would not look at that except as a tactical issue. Bad, got to be dealt with, of course; but it's a tactical issue. The strategic issue, the issue of trillions of dollars, the issues of two clashing economies, the issues indeed of the two giants of the world, the United States and China, criss-cross nicely in Afghanistan; and Pakistan, who happens to be ostensibly a US ally that seems more often a Chinese ally than it does US. Yes, your point is well taken, but I pull it up into the grand strategic issues, rather than the tactical issues and say this is all about the great game. The great game used to be Russia and England, and so forth. The great game is now the United States and China. Aaron Mate: You mention Pakistan being a Chinese ally. There are elements in Pakistan that are also closely tied to the Taliban. The Taliban itself, as a foe, as a US foe, now they did harbor Al Qaeda but aside from that, correct me if I'm wrong, but they do not pose an international terrorist threat. They don't attack people abroad, as far as I know. Is there a possibility of making peace with them right now in Afghanistan with them controlling so much territory, and this war just never seeming to end? Col. Wilkerson: I think I'd be moving that way if I were the United States and I had a brain. I'd be moving that way, because as I said, this is a much bigger game than just these regional terrorist groups, or even as you say, terrorist groups with a global capability. Which, to this point, has only been Al Qaeda. I say that because you're looking at a nuclear country in Pakistan. You're looking at a nuclear country in India, and of course, China. You're looking at the intersection of all the interests of these countries, plus the imperial power, the United States, all coming to bear right there. You've got India and Pakistan still not settled, in terms of the main issues between them. You've got Pakistan supporting the Taliban to per debate Afghanistan because that gives India heartburn. You've got Kashmir, again, bubbling a little bit. You've got Modi in India and what he's done to stabilize India; but the problem between the Muslims and the Hindus in that country. You've got India as a major, shall we say bulwark against China. More and more are closely associated with the United States; particularly, it's navy. You've got all these powers aligning themselves from time to time in different ways, but basically, laying themselves down as China versus the United States; and the others having to choose from time to time which side diplomatically or otherwise they'll be on, on any given issue. It's all about power. It's all about grand strategic power. Frankly, these terrorists are insignificant to that. They're a problem. They're a problem that has to be dealt with by all of those countries in the region. Rashkari Kayaba, for example, in Kashmir. They're not the grand strategic problem that the interstices and the interplay of all these great powers and near great powers in the region are. Aaron Mate: Now, on the issue of foreign powers in Afghanistan, I want to play for you the comment of General John Nicholson, the Commander of US forces in Afghanistan. He recently suggested that Russia is now arming the Taliban. This is what he said. John Nicholson: We continue to get reports of this assistance, and of course, we have the overt legitimacy lent to the Taliban by the Russians, that really occurred late last year, beginning through this process they've been undertaking. Reporter: You're not refuting that there's any weapons. John Nicholson: Oh no, I'm not refuting that. Aaron Mate: Colonel, there's a certain irony here, whether or not the charge is true or not; because in the 80s, we all remember that it was the US that waged sort of this proxy fight against Russia through support of the forces that eventually became the Taliban ... Drawing Russia into this long, protracted war inside Afghanistan that lasted about ten years. Now the US is inside Afghanistan as an occupying force of it's own, has been there even longer. It's been there 15 years. Now, we have the US accusing Russia of arming the Taliban, who the US long ago armed to weaken Russia. Col. Wilkerson: You just named the great game. The partners change, the side fluctuate a bit, but the great game goes on. If I were to ... I'm not saying that I believe General Nicholson. I'm not saying that I believe that the Russians are arming the Taliban, but if I were Moscow, I would be arming the Taliban. I would be turning the tables on the other empire in the world, the United States. I would be doing it for good reasons, good, solid, strategic reasons because the United States is in Afghanistan. That's very close to my borders. I don't like the United States in Afghanistan. I don't like it in Georgia. I don't like it in Ukraine. I don't like it in Latvia, Estonia, or Lithuania, either. This is all about power. It's about strategic power. If I were Moscow, I would be arming the Taliban against the United States in Afghanistan in an effort to get the United States out of Afghanistan. Aaron Mate: Okay, so I'm sorry to end on this grim note, but you've mentioned all these different foreign powers and their [inaudible 00:15:44] inside Afghanistan. You mentioned you thinking that the US will be there for decades to come. What does this mean then for the people of Afghanistan? Col. Wilkerson: As with the people of all the satellite countries that the United States and the Soviet Union, they then to contesting imperial powers, per debated with their proxy wars and everything, probably the same thing. I mean I recall Central Africa, I recall Angola, I recall Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Southeast Asia in general, South America, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras. These are places where the great powers play in their proxy wars. It's all shifted now. Not completely, of course. There's still some things going on in other places, too, like Yemen. It shifted and it's major focus now, instead of being in South America, in Africa, or wherever, it's major focus is right there in Central Asia on the old silk road, if you will, and the contestation between some fairly formidable powers: China, India, Russia, the United States. This is history. It's happening. It's about real power interests. It's about real economic and financial interests. It's going to go on. We use terrorism as an excuse to be places or to do things when in fact, it has very little to do with terrorism and everything to do with great power, economics, and the finances associated with that great power. Aaron Mate: Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, the former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State, Colin Powell, now a professor at the College of William and Mary. Colonel, thank you as always. Col. Wilkerson: Thanks for having me. Aaron Mate: Thank you for joining us on 'The Real News.' END -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun May 7 17:42:43 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:42:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=C2=A0Colonel_Lawrence_Wilkerson=3A?= =?utf-8?b?wqBMb25nZXN0wqBVLlMuwqBXYXLCoFdpbGzCoEdvwqBvbsKgZm9ywqBEZWNh?= =?utf-8?q?des?= Message-ID: Col. Wilkerson is only one of many, former USG employees confirming what some of us have been saying for some time: Watch this video from The Real News Network, or read the below: http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival= Lawrence Wilkerson is a retired United States Army soldier and former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell. Wilkerson is an adjunct professor at the College of William & Mary where he teaches courses on US national security. He also instructs a senior seminar in the Honors Department at the George Washington University entitled "National Security Decision Making." ________________________________ transcript [Wilkerson on Afghanistan: The Longest U.S. War Will Go on for Decades]Aaron Mate: It's 'The Real News,' I'm Aaron Mate. Afghanistan is the longest US war, and it's deadlier than ever. The new US government report says the toll for Afghan civilians and military forces last year was the highest on record. The violence forced more than 660,000 people to flee their homes, also the most to date. US generals have requested thousands of additional troops. In a recent interview, national security advisor, H.R. McMaster hinted at a looming escalation. H.R. McMaster: This is really the modern day frontier between barbarism and civilization. With those high stakes in mind, recognizing that the Taliban groups that we're fighting here, that the ISIS groups that we alongside, really the Afghan forces are really fighting and we're just enabling them in the Eastern part of the country, are a threat to all civilized peoples. Aaron Mate: The Taliban is said to control at least one-third of Afghanistan, more than 15 years after the US invasion. A recent Taliban attack on an Afghan base was one of it's worst to date, killing some 160 Afghan soldiers. The violence could only rise as the spring fighting season begins. Joining me is Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State, Colin Powell; now a distinguished professor at the College of William and Mary in Virginia. Colonel Wilkerson, welcome back. Col. Wilkerson: Good to be here. Aaron Mate: We have talk now of President Trump sending more US troops back to Afghanistan at the rest of it's generals. What amazes me about this discussion is that it wasn't too long ago, in 2011 at the height of President Obama's surge, we had 100,000 US troops there. That wasn't sufficient to beat the Taliban, so now with about 9,000 troops, there's talk of sending a few thousand more; as if that could somehow make a difference. What do you make of what is this never ending US war in Afghanistan, almost 16 years old? Col. Wilkerson: The first thing I make of it is that I've heard this before. I guess I'm getting too old. I've heard generals ask from foreign theaters for more troops, enough times to know that none of them have succeeded with those more troops; and that it seems to be the only thing that generals know how to ask for, more troops. That said, the situation in Afghanistan is truly bad. It's probably as bad as it has been in the past 16 years. The Taliban, as you indicated, control more territory now probably than they have at any time since the inception of the conflict, when they more or less were the government of the state of Afghanistan. It's looking pretty bad. That said, I think the strategic rationale for staying in Afghanistan is shifting. Let me back up just a moment and say that if it is going to shift, then the major impediment to what has been, according to the generals, the problem in Afghanistan, too few troops, is going to be exacerbated majorly. We simply do not have enough troops to do all these brush fire wars, these peripheral empire wars. We just don't have enough troops. If we're going to do these things, and we're going to do them more effectively, we'd better think about conscription, or at least a much larger armed force than we have. Given recruitment details of late, there's no way we could recruit an all volunteer force of that size, so as I said, we probably need to be thinking about conscription. All of that to say that I think the strategic rational has shifted, I think we're staying in Afghanistan for the next 50 years. The reason I say that is because Afghanistan presents us with the only opportunity, land opportunity, territory opportunity upon which to put US forces that can, at any given time that they desire to, that the president orders it, interdict, interfere with, or give the Chinese some trouble with their one belt, one road theory; essentially building a new silk road from Xinjiang Province all the way through the region and up into Europe. The only way the United States can impact that with hard military force would be from a position somewhere along that route. We discovered, with regard to the Eastern Mediterranean in Afghanistan, for example, that it's extremely difficult, if not well nigh impossible to do it out of the Eastern Mediterranean with naval air forces and air forces. I don't see that we are going to leave Afghanistan if this is indeed the shifting strategic rationale any time soon. Aaron Mate: Okay, so this is a reasoning that is not mentioned, if ever mentioned, as a reason for the US being in Afghanistan. You're saying that it is not linked to Taliban control of Afghanistan, and their original harboring of Al Qaeda, but actually US designs when it comes to China. When you served under the Bush administration, back in 2001 when this invasion was launched, was China a consideration back then? Col. Wilkerson: China was a consideration only in the sense that we knew we were getting very close. After all, we'd had an experience with getting close to the Chinese border when we ran Korea in '50, you may recall. The Chinese entered with 300,000 volunteers. Situations changed a lot, but we were somewhat concerned about having a border with China, and being in Afghanistan, that features that border. People looking at it at that time made sure that the Chinese knew that we were not going to linger. Well, we've lingered for 16, almost 17 years now. We're looking at a whole different tapestry of possibilities now, too. We're looking at the possible Israeli now financed I understand largely by people like Goldman Sachs. Wow, wonder why Donald Trump has Goldman Sachs in the White House. Pipeline, running up from. Aaron Mate: Well, wait a second, Colonel Wilkerson. Are you suggesting that Goldman Sachs being in the White House is somehow linked to the Israeli government's financial ties to Goldman? Col. Wilkerson: How in the world would anyone ever not think that? I mean how could I be so naïve to think that I don't believe Goldman Sachs is connected in some way to the leadership in Israel, and the Israeli leadership connected to Goldman Sachs? Aaron Mate: Well, that may be true, but that doesn't mean that, that's why Trump has them in the White House. I mean it could just be, as many administrations have close ties to Wall Street, Trump is just following that trend; certainly as a billionaire with a lot of billionaire friends, that's not very implausible. Col. Wilkerson: Oh absolutely, absolutely. President Obama, President Bush, everybody has Goldman Sachs in the White House, whether it's Bob Reuben, the most powerful member of Clinton's administration, or it's Larry Summers, or whomever. We always have Goldman Sachs in the White House, as it were. That's how influence is exerted. You stopped me as I was trying to tell you about the pipeline coming out of Israel and going up into Europe. The pipeline coming out of Iran, and going ostensibly into Europe. The old TAPI pipipeline, the Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India. There are so many pipelines running across there at the tune of billions and billions of dollars in investment and potential investment, and ultimate profit, that one boggles when one looks at a map at what's happening in this area both East, West, and North and South now. It's very difficult for me. Now, I have to realize that we don't have too many strategic thinkers in the White House, nor apparently anymore do we have too many in the Pentagon. If there are any, they've got to be looking at things like this. They got to be looking at Afghanistan and saying, "Voila! Look what we have here. We have a place where we have military forces in the middle of all of this." If I were a military professional and I saw that, I don't believe I'd be recommending to the Commander in Chief that we remove those military forces any time soon. Aaron Mate: Okay, let me put you the conventional reasons that we hear for arguing against the US withdrawal. It's said that now we don't just have the Taliban, but there's also the remaining Al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan. Now we also have ISIS with a foothold there, especially on the border with Pakistan. We also have the Haqqani network, another militant group. Then, there's the central argument also that if the US withdraws, it's feared that, that would destabilize Pakistan. How do you address those issues? Col. Wilkerson: Those are all serious issues. Of course, had we not invaded Iraq in March of 2003, all of that would probably be a hell of a lot lesser level than it is right now. I read an analysis, I believe it was by the Soufan Group recently, where we had so many thousands of Al Qaeda, for example, in the world immediately after 9/11, and now we have so many more thousands of them. We have all kinds of other organizations, too, like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's ISIS, which came out of Iraq, and the Al Qaeda. The policies of the United States have indeed created lots more problems in the world, particularly problems with burgeoning and growing terrorist groups, who are burgeoning and growing on account of our policies with regard to them. So yes, but I would not look at that except as a tactical issue. Bad, got to be dealt with, of course; but it's a tactical issue. The strategic issue, the issue of trillions of dollars, the issues of two clashing economies, the issues indeed of the two giants of the world, the United States and China, criss-cross nicely in Afghanistan; and Pakistan, who happens to be ostensibly a US ally that seems more often a Chinese ally than it does US. Yes, your point is well taken, but I pull it up into the grand strategic issues, rather than the tactical issues and say this is all about the great game. The great game used to be Russia and England, and so forth. The great game is now the United States and China. Aaron Mate: You mention Pakistan being a Chinese ally. There are elements in Pakistan that are also closely tied to the Taliban. The Taliban itself, as a foe, as a US foe, now they did harbor Al Qaeda but aside from that, correct me if I'm wrong, but they do not pose an international terrorist threat. They don't attack people abroad, as far as I know. Is there a possibility of making peace with them right now in Afghanistan with them controlling so much territory, and this war just never seeming to end? Col. Wilkerson: I think I'd be moving that way if I were the United States and I had a brain. I'd be moving that way, because as I said, this is a much bigger game than just these regional terrorist groups, or even as you say, terrorist groups with a global capability. Which, to this point, has only been Al Qaeda. I say that because you're looking at a nuclear country in Pakistan. You're looking at a nuclear country in India, and of course, China. You're looking at the intersection of all the interests of these countries, plus the imperial power, the United States, all coming to bear right there. You've got India and Pakistan still not settled, in terms of the main issues between them. You've got Pakistan supporting the Taliban to per debate Afghanistan because that gives India heartburn. You've got Kashmir, again, bubbling a little bit. You've got Modi in India and what he's done to stabilize India; but the problem between the Muslims and the Hindus in that country. You've got India as a major, shall we say bulwark against China. More and more are closely associated with the United States; particularly, it's navy. You've got all these powers aligning themselves from time to time in different ways, but basically, laying themselves down as China versus the United States; and the others having to choose from time to time which side diplomatically or otherwise they'll be on, on any given issue. It's all about power. It's all about grand strategic power. Frankly, these terrorists are insignificant to that. They're a problem. They're a problem that has to be dealt with by all of those countries in the region. Rashkari Kayaba, for example, in Kashmir. They're not the grand strategic problem that the interstices and the interplay of all these great powers and near great powers in the region are. Aaron Mate: Now, on the issue of foreign powers in Afghanistan, I want to play for you the comment of General John Nicholson, the Commander of US forces in Afghanistan. He recently suggested that Russia is now arming the Taliban. This is what he said. John Nicholson: We continue to get reports of this assistance, and of course, we have the overt legitimacy lent to the Taliban by the Russians, that really occurred late last year, beginning through this process they've been undertaking. Reporter: You're not refuting that there's any weapons. John Nicholson: Oh no, I'm not refuting that. Aaron Mate: Colonel, there's a certain irony here, whether or not the charge is true or not; because in the 80s, we all remember that it was the US that waged sort of this proxy fight against Russia through support of the forces that eventually became the Taliban ... Drawing Russia into this long, protracted war inside Afghanistan that lasted about ten years. Now the US is inside Afghanistan as an occupying force of it's own, has been there even longer. It's been there 15 years. Now, we have the US accusing Russia of arming the Taliban, who the US long ago armed to weaken Russia. Col. Wilkerson: You just named the great game. The partners change, the side fluctuate a bit, but the great game goes on. If I were to ... I'm not saying that I believe General Nicholson. I'm not saying that I believe that the Russians are arming the Taliban, but if I were Moscow, I would be arming the Taliban. I would be turning the tables on the other empire in the world, the United States. I would be doing it for good reasons, good, solid, strategic reasons because the United States is in Afghanistan. That's very close to my borders. I don't like the United States in Afghanistan. I don't like it in Georgia. I don't like it in Ukraine. I don't like it in Latvia, Estonia, or Lithuania, either. This is all about power. It's about strategic power. If I were Moscow, I would be arming the Taliban against the United States in Afghanistan in an effort to get the United States out of Afghanistan. Aaron Mate: Okay, so I'm sorry to end on this grim note, but you've mentioned all these different foreign powers and their [inaudible 00:15:44] inside Afghanistan. You mentioned you thinking that the US will be there for decades to come. What does this mean then for the people of Afghanistan? Col. Wilkerson: As with the people of all the satellite countries that the United States and the Soviet Union, they then to contesting imperial powers, per debated with their proxy wars and everything, probably the same thing. I mean I recall Central Africa, I recall Angola, I recall Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Southeast Asia in general, South America, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras. These are places where the great powers play in their proxy wars. It's all shifted now. Not completely, of course. There's still some things going on in other places, too, like Yemen. It shifted and it's major focus now, instead of being in South America, in Africa, or wherever, it's major focus is right there in Central Asia on the old silk road, if you will, and the contestation between some fairly formidable powers: China, India, Russia, the United States. This is history. It's happening. It's about real power interests. It's about real economic and financial interests. It's going to go on. We use terrorism as an excuse to be places or to do things when in fact, it has very little to do with terrorism and everything to do with great power, economics, and the finances associated with that great power. Aaron Mate: Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, the former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State, Colin Powell, now a professor at the College of William and Mary. Colonel, thank you as always. Col. Wilkerson: Thanks for having me. Aaron Mate: Thank you for joining us on 'The Real News.' END -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun May 7 17:42:43 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:42:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=C2=A0Colonel_Lawrence_Wilkerson=3A?= =?utf-8?b?wqBMb25nZXN0wqBVLlMuwqBXYXLCoFdpbGzCoEdvwqBvbsKgZm9ywqBEZWNh?= =?utf-8?q?des?= Message-ID: Col. Wilkerson is only one of many, former USG employees confirming what some of us have been saying for some time: Watch this video from The Real News Network, or read the below: http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival= Lawrence Wilkerson is a retired United States Army soldier and former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell. Wilkerson is an adjunct professor at the College of William & Mary where he teaches courses on US national security. He also instructs a senior seminar in the Honors Department at the George Washington University entitled "National Security Decision Making." ________________________________ transcript [Wilkerson on Afghanistan: The Longest U.S. War Will Go on for Decades]Aaron Mate: It's 'The Real News,' I'm Aaron Mate. Afghanistan is the longest US war, and it's deadlier than ever. The new US government report says the toll for Afghan civilians and military forces last year was the highest on record. The violence forced more than 660,000 people to flee their homes, also the most to date. US generals have requested thousands of additional troops. In a recent interview, national security advisor, H.R. McMaster hinted at a looming escalation. H.R. McMaster: This is really the modern day frontier between barbarism and civilization. With those high stakes in mind, recognizing that the Taliban groups that we're fighting here, that the ISIS groups that we alongside, really the Afghan forces are really fighting and we're just enabling them in the Eastern part of the country, are a threat to all civilized peoples. Aaron Mate: The Taliban is said to control at least one-third of Afghanistan, more than 15 years after the US invasion. A recent Taliban attack on an Afghan base was one of it's worst to date, killing some 160 Afghan soldiers. The violence could only rise as the spring fighting season begins. Joining me is Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State, Colin Powell; now a distinguished professor at the College of William and Mary in Virginia. Colonel Wilkerson, welcome back. Col. Wilkerson: Good to be here. Aaron Mate: We have talk now of President Trump sending more US troops back to Afghanistan at the rest of it's generals. What amazes me about this discussion is that it wasn't too long ago, in 2011 at the height of President Obama's surge, we had 100,000 US troops there. That wasn't sufficient to beat the Taliban, so now with about 9,000 troops, there's talk of sending a few thousand more; as if that could somehow make a difference. What do you make of what is this never ending US war in Afghanistan, almost 16 years old? Col. Wilkerson: The first thing I make of it is that I've heard this before. I guess I'm getting too old. I've heard generals ask from foreign theaters for more troops, enough times to know that none of them have succeeded with those more troops; and that it seems to be the only thing that generals know how to ask for, more troops. That said, the situation in Afghanistan is truly bad. It's probably as bad as it has been in the past 16 years. The Taliban, as you indicated, control more territory now probably than they have at any time since the inception of the conflict, when they more or less were the government of the state of Afghanistan. It's looking pretty bad. That said, I think the strategic rationale for staying in Afghanistan is shifting. Let me back up just a moment and say that if it is going to shift, then the major impediment to what has been, according to the generals, the problem in Afghanistan, too few troops, is going to be exacerbated majorly. We simply do not have enough troops to do all these brush fire wars, these peripheral empire wars. We just don't have enough troops. If we're going to do these things, and we're going to do them more effectively, we'd better think about conscription, or at least a much larger armed force than we have. Given recruitment details of late, there's no way we could recruit an all volunteer force of that size, so as I said, we probably need to be thinking about conscription. All of that to say that I think the strategic rational has shifted, I think we're staying in Afghanistan for the next 50 years. The reason I say that is because Afghanistan presents us with the only opportunity, land opportunity, territory opportunity upon which to put US forces that can, at any given time that they desire to, that the president orders it, interdict, interfere with, or give the Chinese some trouble with their one belt, one road theory; essentially building a new silk road from Xinjiang Province all the way through the region and up into Europe. The only way the United States can impact that with hard military force would be from a position somewhere along that route. We discovered, with regard to the Eastern Mediterranean in Afghanistan, for example, that it's extremely difficult, if not well nigh impossible to do it out of the Eastern Mediterranean with naval air forces and air forces. I don't see that we are going to leave Afghanistan if this is indeed the shifting strategic rationale any time soon. Aaron Mate: Okay, so this is a reasoning that is not mentioned, if ever mentioned, as a reason for the US being in Afghanistan. You're saying that it is not linked to Taliban control of Afghanistan, and their original harboring of Al Qaeda, but actually US designs when it comes to China. When you served under the Bush administration, back in 2001 when this invasion was launched, was China a consideration back then? Col. Wilkerson: China was a consideration only in the sense that we knew we were getting very close. After all, we'd had an experience with getting close to the Chinese border when we ran Korea in '50, you may recall. The Chinese entered with 300,000 volunteers. Situations changed a lot, but we were somewhat concerned about having a border with China, and being in Afghanistan, that features that border. People looking at it at that time made sure that the Chinese knew that we were not going to linger. Well, we've lingered for 16, almost 17 years now. We're looking at a whole different tapestry of possibilities now, too. We're looking at the possible Israeli now financed I understand largely by people like Goldman Sachs. Wow, wonder why Donald Trump has Goldman Sachs in the White House. Pipeline, running up from. Aaron Mate: Well, wait a second, Colonel Wilkerson. Are you suggesting that Goldman Sachs being in the White House is somehow linked to the Israeli government's financial ties to Goldman? Col. Wilkerson: How in the world would anyone ever not think that? I mean how could I be so naïve to think that I don't believe Goldman Sachs is connected in some way to the leadership in Israel, and the Israeli leadership connected to Goldman Sachs? Aaron Mate: Well, that may be true, but that doesn't mean that, that's why Trump has them in the White House. I mean it could just be, as many administrations have close ties to Wall Street, Trump is just following that trend; certainly as a billionaire with a lot of billionaire friends, that's not very implausible. Col. Wilkerson: Oh absolutely, absolutely. President Obama, President Bush, everybody has Goldman Sachs in the White House, whether it's Bob Reuben, the most powerful member of Clinton's administration, or it's Larry Summers, or whomever. We always have Goldman Sachs in the White House, as it were. That's how influence is exerted. You stopped me as I was trying to tell you about the pipeline coming out of Israel and going up into Europe. The pipeline coming out of Iran, and going ostensibly into Europe. The old TAPI pipipeline, the Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India. There are so many pipelines running across there at the tune of billions and billions of dollars in investment and potential investment, and ultimate profit, that one boggles when one looks at a map at what's happening in this area both East, West, and North and South now. It's very difficult for me. Now, I have to realize that we don't have too many strategic thinkers in the White House, nor apparently anymore do we have too many in the Pentagon. If there are any, they've got to be looking at things like this. They got to be looking at Afghanistan and saying, "Voila! Look what we have here. We have a place where we have military forces in the middle of all of this." If I were a military professional and I saw that, I don't believe I'd be recommending to the Commander in Chief that we remove those military forces any time soon. Aaron Mate: Okay, let me put you the conventional reasons that we hear for arguing against the US withdrawal. It's said that now we don't just have the Taliban, but there's also the remaining Al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan. Now we also have ISIS with a foothold there, especially on the border with Pakistan. We also have the Haqqani network, another militant group. Then, there's the central argument also that if the US withdraws, it's feared that, that would destabilize Pakistan. How do you address those issues? Col. Wilkerson: Those are all serious issues. Of course, had we not invaded Iraq in March of 2003, all of that would probably be a hell of a lot lesser level than it is right now. I read an analysis, I believe it was by the Soufan Group recently, where we had so many thousands of Al Qaeda, for example, in the world immediately after 9/11, and now we have so many more thousands of them. We have all kinds of other organizations, too, like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's ISIS, which came out of Iraq, and the Al Qaeda. The policies of the United States have indeed created lots more problems in the world, particularly problems with burgeoning and growing terrorist groups, who are burgeoning and growing on account of our policies with regard to them. So yes, but I would not look at that except as a tactical issue. Bad, got to be dealt with, of course; but it's a tactical issue. The strategic issue, the issue of trillions of dollars, the issues of two clashing economies, the issues indeed of the two giants of the world, the United States and China, criss-cross nicely in Afghanistan; and Pakistan, who happens to be ostensibly a US ally that seems more often a Chinese ally than it does US. Yes, your point is well taken, but I pull it up into the grand strategic issues, rather than the tactical issues and say this is all about the great game. The great game used to be Russia and England, and so forth. The great game is now the United States and China. Aaron Mate: You mention Pakistan being a Chinese ally. There are elements in Pakistan that are also closely tied to the Taliban. The Taliban itself, as a foe, as a US foe, now they did harbor Al Qaeda but aside from that, correct me if I'm wrong, but they do not pose an international terrorist threat. They don't attack people abroad, as far as I know. Is there a possibility of making peace with them right now in Afghanistan with them controlling so much territory, and this war just never seeming to end? Col. Wilkerson: I think I'd be moving that way if I were the United States and I had a brain. I'd be moving that way, because as I said, this is a much bigger game than just these regional terrorist groups, or even as you say, terrorist groups with a global capability. Which, to this point, has only been Al Qaeda. I say that because you're looking at a nuclear country in Pakistan. You're looking at a nuclear country in India, and of course, China. You're looking at the intersection of all the interests of these countries, plus the imperial power, the United States, all coming to bear right there. You've got India and Pakistan still not settled, in terms of the main issues between them. You've got Pakistan supporting the Taliban to per debate Afghanistan because that gives India heartburn. You've got Kashmir, again, bubbling a little bit. You've got Modi in India and what he's done to stabilize India; but the problem between the Muslims and the Hindus in that country. You've got India as a major, shall we say bulwark against China. More and more are closely associated with the United States; particularly, it's navy. You've got all these powers aligning themselves from time to time in different ways, but basically, laying themselves down as China versus the United States; and the others having to choose from time to time which side diplomatically or otherwise they'll be on, on any given issue. It's all about power. It's all about grand strategic power. Frankly, these terrorists are insignificant to that. They're a problem. They're a problem that has to be dealt with by all of those countries in the region. Rashkari Kayaba, for example, in Kashmir. They're not the grand strategic problem that the interstices and the interplay of all these great powers and near great powers in the region are. Aaron Mate: Now, on the issue of foreign powers in Afghanistan, I want to play for you the comment of General John Nicholson, the Commander of US forces in Afghanistan. He recently suggested that Russia is now arming the Taliban. This is what he said. John Nicholson: We continue to get reports of this assistance, and of course, we have the overt legitimacy lent to the Taliban by the Russians, that really occurred late last year, beginning through this process they've been undertaking. Reporter: You're not refuting that there's any weapons. John Nicholson: Oh no, I'm not refuting that. Aaron Mate: Colonel, there's a certain irony here, whether or not the charge is true or not; because in the 80s, we all remember that it was the US that waged sort of this proxy fight against Russia through support of the forces that eventually became the Taliban ... Drawing Russia into this long, protracted war inside Afghanistan that lasted about ten years. Now the US is inside Afghanistan as an occupying force of it's own, has been there even longer. It's been there 15 years. Now, we have the US accusing Russia of arming the Taliban, who the US long ago armed to weaken Russia. Col. Wilkerson: You just named the great game. The partners change, the side fluctuate a bit, but the great game goes on. If I were to ... I'm not saying that I believe General Nicholson. I'm not saying that I believe that the Russians are arming the Taliban, but if I were Moscow, I would be arming the Taliban. I would be turning the tables on the other empire in the world, the United States. I would be doing it for good reasons, good, solid, strategic reasons because the United States is in Afghanistan. That's very close to my borders. I don't like the United States in Afghanistan. I don't like it in Georgia. I don't like it in Ukraine. I don't like it in Latvia, Estonia, or Lithuania, either. This is all about power. It's about strategic power. If I were Moscow, I would be arming the Taliban against the United States in Afghanistan in an effort to get the United States out of Afghanistan. Aaron Mate: Okay, so I'm sorry to end on this grim note, but you've mentioned all these different foreign powers and their [inaudible 00:15:44] inside Afghanistan. You mentioned you thinking that the US will be there for decades to come. What does this mean then for the people of Afghanistan? Col. Wilkerson: As with the people of all the satellite countries that the United States and the Soviet Union, they then to contesting imperial powers, per debated with their proxy wars and everything, probably the same thing. I mean I recall Central Africa, I recall Angola, I recall Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Southeast Asia in general, South America, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras. These are places where the great powers play in their proxy wars. It's all shifted now. Not completely, of course. There's still some things going on in other places, too, like Yemen. It shifted and it's major focus now, instead of being in South America, in Africa, or wherever, it's major focus is right there in Central Asia on the old silk road, if you will, and the contestation between some fairly formidable powers: China, India, Russia, the United States. This is history. It's happening. It's about real power interests. It's about real economic and financial interests. It's going to go on. We use terrorism as an excuse to be places or to do things when in fact, it has very little to do with terrorism and everything to do with great power, economics, and the finances associated with that great power. Aaron Mate: Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, the former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State, Colin Powell, now a professor at the College of William and Mary. Colonel, thank you as always. Col. Wilkerson: Thanks for having me. Aaron Mate: Thank you for joining us on 'The Real News.' END -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lawrence Wilkerson, this in relation to N.Korea, on "The Real News" Message-ID: ________________________________ May 2, 2017 Wilkerson: U.S. Incoherence, THAAD Missile System Disrupt the Korean Peninsula Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, says the Trump administration's mixed messages on North Korea and the new THAAD missile system are sowing confusion in the Korean Peninsula ahead of a crucial South Korean vote ________________________________ Full Episode The Wilkerson Report [http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2017-05-01/lwilkerson0501afghanistan-thumb.jpg] Wilkerson on Afghanistan: The Longest U.S. War Will Go on for Decades [http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2017-04-01/lwilkerson0501nkorea-thumb.jpg] Wilkerson: U.S. Incoherence, THAAD Missile System Disrupt the Korean Peninsula [http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2017-02-01/lwilkerson0227mcmaster-thumb.jpg] Wilkerson: Trump's New National Security Advisor Believes in Empire, More Realpolitik than Flynn [http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2017-02-01/gcohen0223epa-thumb.jpg] Global Warming is a Public Health Nightmare [http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2017-02-01/lwilkerson0213trump-thumb.jpg] How Trump Could Widen Divisions Within the Republican Party [http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2017-01-01/lwilkerson0123report-thumb.jpg] Invoking God, Trump Calls for International War Against ISIS - Is Iraq Next? 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[http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2015-07-01/lwilkerson0728iranturkey-thumb.jpg] Turkey Enters Fight Against ISIS, But Target is Still Assad [http://therealnews.com/permalinkedgraphics/video_page_banner.png] ________________________________ audio [Share to Facebook] [Share to Twitter] [http://therealnews.com/permalinkedgraphics/webml_share.png] [http://therealnews.com/t2/images/donate_btn.png] "The Real News Network" delivers as the title indicates -"Real News". Not news cycle trash or fluff. - Laviero Log in and tell us why you support TRNN ________________________________ biography Lawrence Wilkerson is a retired United States Army soldier and former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell. Wilkerson is an adjunct professor at the College of William & Mary where he teaches courses on US national security. He also instructs a senior seminar in the Honors Department at the George Washington University entitled "National Security Decision Making." ________________________________ transcript [Wilkerson: U.S. Incoherence, THAAD Missile System Disrupt the Korean Peninsula]Aaron Mate: It's the Real News. I'm Aaron Mate. Amid ongoing tensions, President Trumps says, "We'll see" on military action in North Korea. Donald Trump: Would not happy. If he does a nuclear test, I will not be happy. And I can tell you also, I don't believe that the president of China, who is a very respected man, will be happy either. Reporter: Not happy, you mean military action? Donald Trump: I don't know. I mean, we'll see. Aaron Mate: In recent days, Trump has made threats like that, and also said he's open to talks with the North Korean regime. A North Korean missile test this weekend failed for the second time in two weeks. Tensions remain high with the U.S. aircraft carrier, Carl Vinson, still in the Korean peninsula. Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson is former chief of staff to Secretary of State, Colin Powell, now professor at the College of William and Mary in Virginia. Colonel, welcome. Col. Wilkerson: Thanks. Aaron Mate: We have all different kinds of talk coming from the Trump administration. Secretary of State Tillerson said that the White House could open direct talks. Now we have Trump saying, "We'll see" on military action. Can you help us make sense of what this administration's approach is to this very serious issue? Col. Wilkerson: I wish I could make sense of this administration. I don't even pretend to be able to. I can only surmise that on the positive side, what they're trying to do is they're trying to build as much leverage as possible, in other words, in sort of like street talk, they're trying to scare Kim Jong Un and his generals enough so that when they do get to the talks, which they inevitably will get to, they have a high ground from which to negotiate. That's the only rationale thing I can assume here. The frightening side of both that and what might be just plain ineptitude is that one, the high ground for leverage might lead us to an unexpected exchange of fire and war, and two, it might not be what I'm saying it is. It might simply be ineptitude. It might the fact that these people don't know what they're doing. And that scares me to death. There are 250,000 American citizens in and around Seoul. A noncombatant evacuation operation which is contemplated with any war plan, would simply be untenable. You couldn't do it. So you'd lose many of those Americans in the first onslaught. And that first onslaught would be pretty bad. I mean, yes, we'll win against North Korea, we being the United States and our allies, the South Koreans, but it's going to be a bloody fight in that first 90 to 120 days, and we're going to lose a lot of soul and we're going to lose a lot of people, Koreans and Americans. Aaron Mate: Now from ineptitude, I want to go to altitude. That's a terminal high altitude area of defense, this new THAAD missile defense system that's just been put online in South Korea by the U.S. What is the significance of that? Col. Wilkerson: It has a lot of significance that is insignificant, and what I mean by that is, we don't even know if it'll work. That's the first real problem. And it could be a lot of egg on our face if it doesn't, in the event of a firing and our having to fire it. Second, it's extraordinarily expensive and probably is as much where it is in Europe and now on the Korean peninsula to pay off military contractors who get huge profits from this system. And third, it is a destabilizing instrument in the sense that China sees it, its radar in particular, as being against them and not necessarily the North Koreans, just as the Russians do with our systems in Europe. So it's very destabilizing. We're not sure it'll work and it costs unbelievably. And when Donald Trump came out and said that the Koreans were probably going to pay the billion dollar cost for this deployment, I knew the Koreans were going to come back and say, "Ha, in a pig's eye, we are." And of course, he had to back down on that. They're going to have an election. And they're very likely going to elect a president who is not going to be very favorable towards THAAD, and so to get it in there like that, before this president gets elected and therefore hope that's a fait accompli and that we've tied the hands of the new president, was a little bit disingenuous and even stupid, but that's the way this administration operates. So you can see why I'm deeply concerned over what they might cause to happen on the peninsula. Aaron Mate: Yeah, so you mentioned this upcoming election. It's in about a week. The THAAD system has been an issue in this election campaign, and so has relations with North Korea. There's been a conservative government in South Korea for close to a decade, mostly recently under Park Geun-hye who was forced to resign over some corruption issues. But now though, with potentially a progressive government coming in, wanting to revive the Sunshine Policy of better relations with North Korea, what does that portend for the future of this conflict? Can South Korea play more of a role here in diffusing tensions between North Korea and the U.S.? Col. Wilkerson: I certainly hope they can. One of the things that I noted constantly when I was in the George W. Bush administration was that in meeting after meeting after meeting, we rarely, rarely thought about or even considered our ally on the peninsula. It was always about us. It was always this or that thing that pertained to us or our interests, and I would always have to bring up the question of, "What about our ally's interests?" "What about the South Koreans?" I mean, after all, it's going to be their soil upon which the nuclear weapons fall more than likely. So I hope that what you just asked about is answered with yes. The South Koreans are going to get more and more involved, they're going to get more and more attuned to their own interests. Not that they should become a troublesome ally, if you will, but we should pay more attention to what their interests are and what they want to do on the peninsula. And I have to say, because most of my friends, my colleagues, and my contacts, are in the more or less conservative groups in South Korea, but I have to say that the only time that we seem to make any progress with regard to reunification of the peninsula on some decent, stable, prosperous, even terms is when these other governments get in, governments with whom I have not a great deal of contact and don't know a great many people within their political circles. But they do seem to be the only ones who are willing to stand up for Korea as it were, and that needs to happen. Aaron Mate: That's a really interesting revelation about the Bush administration's internal talks about South Korea and the danger from North Korea, because not only are they on the front line there, but also they're hosting 25,000 U.S. troops. So you'd think that people in the government would be also concerned for that purpose, because you have so many American forces there. Col. Wilkerson: Yes. And one could argue that all the exercises, all the Carl Vinsons steaming towards the peninsula, and all the rhetoric, especially this brinksmanship-like rhetoric which is trying to match Kim Jong Un for any brinksmanship deed he does, is very alarming and very disturbing. And it's not the United States that this artillery, Passchendaele or Verdun-like artillery concentrations are going to fall on. It's Korea. It's the capital city of Seoul, one of the most thriving and multifaceted and incredible cities on the face of the earth right now - some 15 million or so souls within its metropolitan area, and that's where these artillery rounds are going to fall. And I can't tell you how many meetings I've been in where we're talking about this situation and we don't even mention our allies. After all, like the Germans, when we were talking about taking Russia on with nuclear weapons on the plains of Europe, the Germans would sometimes look and you know, those weapons are going to fall on our soil. Well, that's what happens when you forget about the people you're allegedly ostensibly defending in the first place. Aaron Mate: You know, in that clip we heard earlier of President Trump, he mentioned the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, as he does often when he talks about North Korea. What do you make of the Trump administration's strategy so far, which appears to be effectively outsourcing the North Korea issue to the Chinese government? Col. Wilkerson: Well, this has been a very interesting series of events with President Trump. First we had one China policy, maybe that's out the door. "I think I'm going to take a telephone call from the president of Taiwan. I might even let the president of Taiwan pass through the United States like a normal human being." And then all of a sudden you get, "Oh no, the one China policy is still operational, and aw yeah, I don't want to hear anymore from those people on Taiwan." And then you get the meeting at Mar-a-Lago and "I'm eating a beautiful piece of chocolate cake while I'm telling the premiere of China or the president of China that I'm sending 59 cruise missiles into Syria." This is all, if it has any coherence at all, and I'm not one who's going to assign it any coherence, but if it has any coherence, it's real estate. It's negotiations. It's let's scare everybody to death. Let's make some people think we're insane. Let's really gain some leverage here, and then let's negotiate. So you really go after China big time. You make Xi feel like he doesn't even know where we're coming from and you try to get him to bring pressure on North Korea. Now, what's going to really happen? What's really going to happen is Xi Jinping is going to act like, and his polit bureau and others are going to act like they've brought more pressure to bear on the DPRK. But are they really going to bring more pressure to bear, because they've got vital stakes in this game, too, and North Korea is a buffer they're never going to give up, not unless they're forced to. So, are they really going to do anything? Yeah, they'll do a little bit. It'll look like things are happening and so forth, and maybe a little bit of pressure will be brought. And maybe that's when we'll say, "Aha, pressure was brought by China. Now we can talk, and we'll sit down and talk." Great. Praise God if we do that. But it'll all be a charade in essence. But if the charade works and we sit down and talk, I'll be the first one to clap. Aaron Mate: Yeah, when you say buffer, just bringing us back to a point we touched on earlier in the conversation, North Korea for China is also a buffer against those 25,000 U.S. troops stationed in South Korea. Col. Wilkerson: Absolutely. And against the potential ... And here's the real slammer here. If you look at the war plans and you look at the flow of forces in those war plans, and remember, I mentioned earlier that those forces are getting slimmer and slimmer and slimmer, but nonetheless, they're still fairly formidable, especially what we call blue air, and that's U.S. air flowing on the peninsula in the event of executing a war plan. It's pretty formidable. I mean, when you talk what's going to come to that peninsula in a very short period of time, under 5027, 5028, 5029, any of the war plans, it's formidable. I mean, you're looking at a lot of bomb dropping capability, of precision guided munition capability coming to that peninsula in a very short time under any one of the war plan scenarios, and primarily to go after that artillery to try and get it before it's shot an eighth or a ninth or a tenth round. So it's awesome, what's coming to that peninsula in the event of executing a war plan. So, yeah, the north needs to know that and they need to be apprised of that. Aaron Mate: Finally, let me ask you about what the North Korea issues means for the broader problem of nuclear proliferation. I imagine that one reason North Korea has been hesitant to give up its nuclear weapon is that it's a bargaining chip, and it's a bargaining chip that deters attacks from countries like the U.S. who have a long history of military action in the peninsula, going back to the Korean War, and threatening North Korea with action over many years. What does North Korea's experience say or portend for other countries viewing nuclear weapons, given that arguably what's prevented a U.S. attack on the regimen in North Korea is the fact that they possess a nuclear weapon? Col. Wilkerson: I think it's a terrible signal that's gone out. Just as terrible as the signal the United States sent by invading Iraq, by attacking Libya and unseating Muammar Gaddafi by sending TLAMs into Syria and so forth. I think we've been sending a signal that other leaders around the world, be they good, bad, or indifferent, have interpreted as I would have interpreted had I been they. And that is, the United States will attack anybody at any time and you better be careful. And if you have a nuclear weapon in your storehouse, you're probably a little bit safer than you would be without one. Well, that sends a signal to people who have the technical and at least the funds to build a nuclear weapon to do so. That's not a very positive signal to be sending out. And ultimately, as I indicated, the United States is responsible for that signal going out. Aaron Mate: Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, now professor at the College of William and Mary. Colonel Wilkerson, thank you. Col. Wilkerson: Thanks for having me. Aaron Mate: And thank you for joining us on the Real News. END -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lawrence Wilkerson, this in relation to N.Korea, on "The Real News" Message-ID: ________________________________ May 2, 2017 Wilkerson: U.S. Incoherence, THAAD Missile System Disrupt the Korean Peninsula Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, says the Trump administration's mixed messages on North Korea and the new THAAD missile system are sowing confusion in the Korean Peninsula ahead of a crucial South Korean vote ________________________________ Full Episode The Wilkerson Report [http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2017-05-01/lwilkerson0501afghanistan-thumb.jpg] Wilkerson on Afghanistan: The Longest U.S. War Will Go on for Decades [http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2017-04-01/lwilkerson0501nkorea-thumb.jpg] Wilkerson: U.S. Incoherence, THAAD Missile System Disrupt the Korean Peninsula [http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2017-02-01/lwilkerson0227mcmaster-thumb.jpg] Wilkerson: Trump's New National Security Advisor Believes in Empire, More Realpolitik than Flynn [http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2017-02-01/gcohen0223epa-thumb.jpg] Global Warming is a Public Health Nightmare [http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2017-02-01/lwilkerson0213trump-thumb.jpg] How Trump Could Widen Divisions Within the Republican Party [http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2017-01-01/lwilkerson0123report-thumb.jpg] Invoking God, Trump Calls for International War Against ISIS - Is Iraq Next? 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[http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2015-07-01/lwilkerson0728iranturkey-thumb.jpg] Turkey Enters Fight Against ISIS, But Target is Still Assad [http://therealnews.com/permalinkedgraphics/video_page_banner.png] ________________________________ audio [Share to Facebook] [Share to Twitter] [http://therealnews.com/permalinkedgraphics/webml_share.png] [http://therealnews.com/t2/images/donate_btn.png] "The Real News Network" delivers as the title indicates -"Real News". Not news cycle trash or fluff. - Laviero Log in and tell us why you support TRNN ________________________________ biography Lawrence Wilkerson is a retired United States Army soldier and former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell. Wilkerson is an adjunct professor at the College of William & Mary where he teaches courses on US national security. He also instructs a senior seminar in the Honors Department at the George Washington University entitled "National Security Decision Making." ________________________________ transcript [Wilkerson: U.S. Incoherence, THAAD Missile System Disrupt the Korean Peninsula]Aaron Mate: It's the Real News. I'm Aaron Mate. Amid ongoing tensions, President Trumps says, "We'll see" on military action in North Korea. Donald Trump: Would not happy. If he does a nuclear test, I will not be happy. And I can tell you also, I don't believe that the president of China, who is a very respected man, will be happy either. Reporter: Not happy, you mean military action? Donald Trump: I don't know. I mean, we'll see. Aaron Mate: In recent days, Trump has made threats like that, and also said he's open to talks with the North Korean regime. A North Korean missile test this weekend failed for the second time in two weeks. Tensions remain high with the U.S. aircraft carrier, Carl Vinson, still in the Korean peninsula. Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson is former chief of staff to Secretary of State, Colin Powell, now professor at the College of William and Mary in Virginia. Colonel, welcome. Col. Wilkerson: Thanks. Aaron Mate: We have all different kinds of talk coming from the Trump administration. Secretary of State Tillerson said that the White House could open direct talks. Now we have Trump saying, "We'll see" on military action. Can you help us make sense of what this administration's approach is to this very serious issue? Col. Wilkerson: I wish I could make sense of this administration. I don't even pretend to be able to. I can only surmise that on the positive side, what they're trying to do is they're trying to build as much leverage as possible, in other words, in sort of like street talk, they're trying to scare Kim Jong Un and his generals enough so that when they do get to the talks, which they inevitably will get to, they have a high ground from which to negotiate. That's the only rationale thing I can assume here. The frightening side of both that and what might be just plain ineptitude is that one, the high ground for leverage might lead us to an unexpected exchange of fire and war, and two, it might not be what I'm saying it is. It might simply be ineptitude. It might the fact that these people don't know what they're doing. And that scares me to death. There are 250,000 American citizens in and around Seoul. A noncombatant evacuation operation which is contemplated with any war plan, would simply be untenable. You couldn't do it. So you'd lose many of those Americans in the first onslaught. And that first onslaught would be pretty bad. I mean, yes, we'll win against North Korea, we being the United States and our allies, the South Koreans, but it's going to be a bloody fight in that first 90 to 120 days, and we're going to lose a lot of soul and we're going to lose a lot of people, Koreans and Americans. Aaron Mate: Now from ineptitude, I want to go to altitude. That's a terminal high altitude area of defense, this new THAAD missile defense system that's just been put online in South Korea by the U.S. What is the significance of that? Col. Wilkerson: It has a lot of significance that is insignificant, and what I mean by that is, we don't even know if it'll work. That's the first real problem. And it could be a lot of egg on our face if it doesn't, in the event of a firing and our having to fire it. Second, it's extraordinarily expensive and probably is as much where it is in Europe and now on the Korean peninsula to pay off military contractors who get huge profits from this system. And third, it is a destabilizing instrument in the sense that China sees it, its radar in particular, as being against them and not necessarily the North Koreans, just as the Russians do with our systems in Europe. So it's very destabilizing. We're not sure it'll work and it costs unbelievably. And when Donald Trump came out and said that the Koreans were probably going to pay the billion dollar cost for this deployment, I knew the Koreans were going to come back and say, "Ha, in a pig's eye, we are." And of course, he had to back down on that. They're going to have an election. And they're very likely going to elect a president who is not going to be very favorable towards THAAD, and so to get it in there like that, before this president gets elected and therefore hope that's a fait accompli and that we've tied the hands of the new president, was a little bit disingenuous and even stupid, but that's the way this administration operates. So you can see why I'm deeply concerned over what they might cause to happen on the peninsula. Aaron Mate: Yeah, so you mentioned this upcoming election. It's in about a week. The THAAD system has been an issue in this election campaign, and so has relations with North Korea. There's been a conservative government in South Korea for close to a decade, mostly recently under Park Geun-hye who was forced to resign over some corruption issues. But now though, with potentially a progressive government coming in, wanting to revive the Sunshine Policy of better relations with North Korea, what does that portend for the future of this conflict? Can South Korea play more of a role here in diffusing tensions between North Korea and the U.S.? Col. Wilkerson: I certainly hope they can. One of the things that I noted constantly when I was in the George W. Bush administration was that in meeting after meeting after meeting, we rarely, rarely thought about or even considered our ally on the peninsula. It was always about us. It was always this or that thing that pertained to us or our interests, and I would always have to bring up the question of, "What about our ally's interests?" "What about the South Koreans?" I mean, after all, it's going to be their soil upon which the nuclear weapons fall more than likely. So I hope that what you just asked about is answered with yes. The South Koreans are going to get more and more involved, they're going to get more and more attuned to their own interests. Not that they should become a troublesome ally, if you will, but we should pay more attention to what their interests are and what they want to do on the peninsula. And I have to say, because most of my friends, my colleagues, and my contacts, are in the more or less conservative groups in South Korea, but I have to say that the only time that we seem to make any progress with regard to reunification of the peninsula on some decent, stable, prosperous, even terms is when these other governments get in, governments with whom I have not a great deal of contact and don't know a great many people within their political circles. But they do seem to be the only ones who are willing to stand up for Korea as it were, and that needs to happen. Aaron Mate: That's a really interesting revelation about the Bush administration's internal talks about South Korea and the danger from North Korea, because not only are they on the front line there, but also they're hosting 25,000 U.S. troops. So you'd think that people in the government would be also concerned for that purpose, because you have so many American forces there. Col. Wilkerson: Yes. And one could argue that all the exercises, all the Carl Vinsons steaming towards the peninsula, and all the rhetoric, especially this brinksmanship-like rhetoric which is trying to match Kim Jong Un for any brinksmanship deed he does, is very alarming and very disturbing. And it's not the United States that this artillery, Passchendaele or Verdun-like artillery concentrations are going to fall on. It's Korea. It's the capital city of Seoul, one of the most thriving and multifaceted and incredible cities on the face of the earth right now - some 15 million or so souls within its metropolitan area, and that's where these artillery rounds are going to fall. And I can't tell you how many meetings I've been in where we're talking about this situation and we don't even mention our allies. After all, like the Germans, when we were talking about taking Russia on with nuclear weapons on the plains of Europe, the Germans would sometimes look and you know, those weapons are going to fall on our soil. Well, that's what happens when you forget about the people you're allegedly ostensibly defending in the first place. Aaron Mate: You know, in that clip we heard earlier of President Trump, he mentioned the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, as he does often when he talks about North Korea. What do you make of the Trump administration's strategy so far, which appears to be effectively outsourcing the North Korea issue to the Chinese government? Col. Wilkerson: Well, this has been a very interesting series of events with President Trump. First we had one China policy, maybe that's out the door. "I think I'm going to take a telephone call from the president of Taiwan. I might even let the president of Taiwan pass through the United States like a normal human being." And then all of a sudden you get, "Oh no, the one China policy is still operational, and aw yeah, I don't want to hear anymore from those people on Taiwan." And then you get the meeting at Mar-a-Lago and "I'm eating a beautiful piece of chocolate cake while I'm telling the premiere of China or the president of China that I'm sending 59 cruise missiles into Syria." This is all, if it has any coherence at all, and I'm not one who's going to assign it any coherence, but if it has any coherence, it's real estate. It's negotiations. It's let's scare everybody to death. Let's make some people think we're insane. Let's really gain some leverage here, and then let's negotiate. So you really go after China big time. You make Xi feel like he doesn't even know where we're coming from and you try to get him to bring pressure on North Korea. Now, what's going to really happen? What's really going to happen is Xi Jinping is going to act like, and his polit bureau and others are going to act like they've brought more pressure to bear on the DPRK. But are they really going to bring more pressure to bear, because they've got vital stakes in this game, too, and North Korea is a buffer they're never going to give up, not unless they're forced to. So, are they really going to do anything? Yeah, they'll do a little bit. It'll look like things are happening and so forth, and maybe a little bit of pressure will be brought. And maybe that's when we'll say, "Aha, pressure was brought by China. Now we can talk, and we'll sit down and talk." Great. Praise God if we do that. But it'll all be a charade in essence. But if the charade works and we sit down and talk, I'll be the first one to clap. Aaron Mate: Yeah, when you say buffer, just bringing us back to a point we touched on earlier in the conversation, North Korea for China is also a buffer against those 25,000 U.S. troops stationed in South Korea. Col. Wilkerson: Absolutely. And against the potential ... And here's the real slammer here. If you look at the war plans and you look at the flow of forces in those war plans, and remember, I mentioned earlier that those forces are getting slimmer and slimmer and slimmer, but nonetheless, they're still fairly formidable, especially what we call blue air, and that's U.S. air flowing on the peninsula in the event of executing a war plan. It's pretty formidable. I mean, when you talk what's going to come to that peninsula in a very short period of time, under 5027, 5028, 5029, any of the war plans, it's formidable. I mean, you're looking at a lot of bomb dropping capability, of precision guided munition capability coming to that peninsula in a very short time under any one of the war plan scenarios, and primarily to go after that artillery to try and get it before it's shot an eighth or a ninth or a tenth round. So it's awesome, what's coming to that peninsula in the event of executing a war plan. So, yeah, the north needs to know that and they need to be apprised of that. Aaron Mate: Finally, let me ask you about what the North Korea issues means for the broader problem of nuclear proliferation. I imagine that one reason North Korea has been hesitant to give up its nuclear weapon is that it's a bargaining chip, and it's a bargaining chip that deters attacks from countries like the U.S. who have a long history of military action in the peninsula, going back to the Korean War, and threatening North Korea with action over many years. What does North Korea's experience say or portend for other countries viewing nuclear weapons, given that arguably what's prevented a U.S. attack on the regimen in North Korea is the fact that they possess a nuclear weapon? Col. Wilkerson: I think it's a terrible signal that's gone out. Just as terrible as the signal the United States sent by invading Iraq, by attacking Libya and unseating Muammar Gaddafi by sending TLAMs into Syria and so forth. I think we've been sending a signal that other leaders around the world, be they good, bad, or indifferent, have interpreted as I would have interpreted had I been they. And that is, the United States will attack anybody at any time and you better be careful. And if you have a nuclear weapon in your storehouse, you're probably a little bit safer than you would be without one. Well, that sends a signal to people who have the technical and at least the funds to build a nuclear weapon to do so. That's not a very positive signal to be sending out. And ultimately, as I indicated, the United States is responsible for that signal going out. Aaron Mate: Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, now professor at the College of William and Mary. Colonel Wilkerson, thank you. Col. Wilkerson: Thanks for having me. Aaron Mate: And thank you for joining us on the Real News. END -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon May 8 12:24:10 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 12:24:10 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Profiles in Courage Award 2017 & 2018 Nomination Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:19 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: Profiles in Courage Award 2017 & 2018 Nomination I guess it is only appropriate that Obama got a "Profiles in Courage" Award. Everyone knows Ted Sorensen wrote that book for JFK, a Harvard History Major who did not know what the Monroe Doctrine was. So when they gave the P-U-litzer Prize to JFK for Sorensen's book, JFK just pocketed it, never giving any credit to Ted. So it has remained until today. That's a Real Profile in Courage for everyone involved, including Obama for accepting their Profile in Hypocrisy Award, which he truly deserves. For the 2018 Profiles in Courage Award, I hereby nominate Obama's Harvard Law ConnedLaw Teacher Larry Tribe for his successful work helping Big Coal pollute, poison and murder our children. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 8 12:38:13 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 12:38:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From "The Real News" a worthwhile article Message-ID: * Jobs * Log In Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 0 Comments By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions of people. Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on Earth Day? Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their stupidity of denial about climate change. The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and war are the number one threat to the Earth. There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable gadgets and grandstand. George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody that does not conform. Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally crushed by the police state. Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war movement. I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war. Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it possible for people to want to do something about climate change and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social services? During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, less safe, and less free. Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and popular socialist domestic programs? In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is part of the problem, not the solution. “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire mean more austerity at home. We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the war machine. Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed permanently. Is anybody listening to these scientists? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 8 12:38:13 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 12:38:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From "The Real News" a worthwhile article Message-ID: * Jobs * Log In Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 0 Comments By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions of people. Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on Earth Day? Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their stupidity of denial about climate change. The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and war are the number one threat to the Earth. There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable gadgets and grandstand. George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody that does not conform. Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally crushed by the police state. Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war movement. I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war. Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it possible for people to want to do something about climate change and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social services? During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, less safe, and less free. Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and popular socialist domestic programs? In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is part of the problem, not the solution. “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire mean more austerity at home. We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the war machine. Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed permanently. Is anybody listening to these scientists? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 8 16:51:49 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 16:51:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Excellent Counterpunch article Message-ID: MAY 5, 2017 War and Empire: the American Way of Life by PAUL ATWOOD * * * * Email * * [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/07/print-sp.png] [Screen Shot 2017-05-05 at 9.37.19 AM] Photo courtesy of CC BY 2.0 A few months ago I received a message from a professor at the Khomeini Institute for Education and Research in Tehran, Iran, informing me that my 2010 book “War and Empire: The American Way of Life” (London, Pluto Press) had been translated into Farsi. He requested that I write an Introduction for Iranian readers. What follows is that Introduction. Two years ago the Xinhua Peoples’ Press in Beijing, China also published a translation in Mandarin. In the aftermath of Saddam Hussein’s 1991 attempt to annex Kuwait the U.S. deliberately destroyed much of Iraq’s water and sewer infrastructure. The Pentagon even admitted on its website that these acts would lead to mass outbreaks of disease. These were certifiable war crimes under international law. After Saddam’s defeat the U.S. also imposed widespread sanctions on his regime that included preventing necessary medicines from reaching Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens perished as a result. In an infamous interview in 1996 Madeleine Albright, then the Secretary of State, was asked to justify the deaths of 500,000 children. She defended these atrocities by saying “I think this is a very hard choice but we think the price is worth it.” Twenty-one years have elapsed since Albright uttered her rationalization of this vicious barbarity and it has been virtually “disappeared” from the collective memory of Americans. But it is far from being the only one. Today much the same is being visited upon the children of Mosul, Syria and Yemen. Fifty thousand more marines are slated for deployment to Afghanistan and the new Defense Secretary’s bellicose rhetoric threatens Iran. When I undertook to write this book I could not imagine that it would ever be translated into Farsi or Mandarin Chinese. Over the course of my teaching career I had become increasingly concerned about the vacancy of knowledge about their nation’s past on the part of my students and by extension many millions of my fellow American citizens. This condition of ignorance is the effect of the incomplete and, too often, dishonest orthodoxy in required school texts and by the distortion of the real past by popular culture, Hollywood films and corporate controlled network television, especially the purported “news.” George Orwell was correct. “Who controls the present controls the past.” What the majority of Americans are conditioned to think they know about their past (and that of many other peoples) is myth, and too often, sheer illusion. Misdirection and manipulation about proclaimed threats from abroad since 1945 has led directly into wars and unjust armed interventions and coups in many other nations. The results are always tragic on a colossal scale. None of this is accidental or new. Since the end of World War II the U.S. ruling elites have set forth an agenda claimed to foster what they call a “liberal world order” in which democracy and human rights for all are the declared goals. But little about real U.S. actions in the world supports these claims. Washington has overthrown elected governments and waged catastrophic war upon helpless civilians in many nations since 1945. The public is told that national security and “vital interests” are at stake and the corporate controlled media ensure that key realities are omitted, or distorted. It is no secret that today much of the human species is living in existential crisis-whether from war, economic exploitation or dire effects of climate change- and the profound ignorance about how the past shapes the present is a major factor in our failure to fashion a more peaceful and beneficial future. This volume is simply an attempt to illuminate much of the hidden history of the United States in the hope that more citizens in the United States will realize that we cannot continue on this destructive path and must find a way to cooperate with other nations instead of seeking to dominate them or outcompete them in a self-defeating contest for diminishing resources. Many American officials pay lip service to international cooperation but they really mean collaboration with the overarching American agenda. The words of those who have formulated the grand strategy for American global dominance since the U.S. emerged as the most militarily dominant nation after WWII must be taken seriously but desires for global dominance were evident long before. Consider the oft-quoted language of George F. Kennan, the U.S. State Department’s architect of the Cold War with the Soviet Union immediately after World War II. In a top secret document circulated only to other key officials he took notice of the fact that the American population was (in 1948) only 6.3% of the world’s but that the U.S. effectively controlled about 50% of the world’s resources. The object of U.S. policy, he declared, should be to maintain that disparity and employ “straight power tactics” to enforce this global inequality, while avoiding all rhetoric about commitment to human rights, raising other peoples’ living standards, democratization and the like. Kennan’s vision, coupled with the U.S. creation of the World Bank and International Monetary fund, anticipated a globalized economy under firm control by American and allied European banks and industries, and backed by American firepower. Much closer in time to the present is the comprehensive plan for complete American dominance of the planet projected in brutally frank and exacting detail by former national security chief Zbigniev Brzezinsky in his book, The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geo-strategic Imperatives. Eurasia is the globe’s largest continent and is geopolitically axial. A power that dominates Asia would dominate two of the three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa’s subordination…About 75 percent of the world’s people live in Eurasia and most of the world’s wealth is there as well…Eurasia accounts for about three-fourths of the world’s energy resources. Upon assuming the presidency of the U.S. in 2001 George W. Bush filled his administration with so called Neo-Conservatives, members of the Project for a New American Century, who, with their allies in the Pentagon, called for nothing less than “full spectrum dominance” of planet Earth. Exploiting the hysteria mounted in the U.S. after the events of September 11, 2001 Bush II then proceeded to call for all-out war against what he termed the “axis of evil.” General Wesley Clark, a 2004 Democratic Party candidate for president, later revealed that the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld Administration had secret plans all along to overthrow the [warempire] governments of Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia and Sudan, and “finish off” Iran. All that was needed was a “new Pearl Harbor” and the events of September 11, 2001 provided that pretext, launching a state of permanent war primarily against the Muslim world. Citizens of the U.S., like myself, who have long studied these matters and have opposed our nation’s imperial policies know that what these men, and many others like them, have proposed is exactly what they accused Nazi Germany and Communist Russia of attempting. Of course, proponents of what the first Bush deemed the “New World Order” in 1991 allege that this American imperium will constitute a radical departure from past empires and will instead usher in and guarantee a new age of democracy and human rights for all humanity. They assert this even as their bombs and those of their allies shatter the lives literally of millions in the Islamic world. The U.S. began its history as a colony of the early British Empire and an outpost of nascent capitalism though this essential fact is de-emphasized in standard accounts in favor of the claim that the primary incentive for the colonial project was “freedom of religion.” The earliest British colonies in North America, Virginia and Massachusetts, were established as joint-stock companies, precursors of the modern corporation, to return profits to the mother country from resources of fish, game, furs, lumber and later, tobacco, cotton and the industries that followed. Acquisition of these valued assets required the conquest, displacement or extermination of the native populations already living here. The name, Massachusetts, for example, the state where I live, is all that remains of the people who once inhabited the area of what is now Boston. Later, the profits derived from forcible acquisition of the land, and the slave labor to cultivate it underwrote the industrial revolution and this catapulted the United States into position as the richest nation on earth and soon the militarily most powerful. Only a century after breaking away from British rule the United States itself leapt upon the stage of empire to compete with other Europeans for dominance in the world, taking the former Spanish colonies of Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, and Guam by force, and annexing Hawaii. Brooks Adams, the descendant of two presidents, exulted that “this war is the first gun in the battle for ownership of the world.” In the Senate Albert Beveridge proclaimed that “The power that rules the Pacific rules the world.” U.S. entry into both World Wars and all subsequent armed interventions is almost always mystified and characterized as a defense of democracy and human rights. In no case was American national security remotely threatened if by that we mean the vulnerability to invasion and military defeat. Since the end of World War II the United States has waged numerous full scale wars and many smaller conflicts in the name of national security and claims of principle and high ideals. Americans are unremittingly habituated to believe Madeleine Albright’s all-encompassing contention that the United States is “the indispensable nation.” The end result of our actions has been many millions dead, maimed, reduced to penury, and desolated with grief. Americans are encouraged to see ourselves as humanitarians yet the widespread denial of our collective responsibility for the raw misery for those on the receiving end of our military firepower is nothing less than indefensible. Until WWII the U.S. was perceived, if not exactly as a benevolent friend of Muslim peoples, at least it was not yet seen as one more imperial power set upon exploiting the greater Middle East. This positive estimation changed virtually the moment that war ended and the regional shift toward virulent anti-Americanism originated in Iran. During World War II Iran had been co-occupied by Soviet, British and American troops. The Allies violated Iran’s declared neutrality because they thought that the country’s ruler, Reza Shah, was too friendly with Nazi Germany and they wished to use Iranian territory to transship supplies from the Persian Gulf to the USSR. The British owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now British Petroleum) had virtually monopolized production and profits from the industry and the Allies also wanted to prevent the country’s oil reserves from potential access by Germany. The three nations had agreed to withdraw from Iran within six months after the war’s end. In March of 1946 Soviet troops had still not withdrawn and Washington claimed that this was evidence of Stalin’s desire to expand communism and threaten the entire region. The reality was that the Soviet Union had suffered immense damage from the war and needed energy supplies to rebuild. Russians wanted some guarantee from Iran that they could purchase a certain quota of Iranian oil for this purpose and sought to gain an oil concession in the Azerbaijani region of Iran, which bordered the Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan. Washington and the Iranian government feared that the Soviets might act to annex the territory when Iranian Azerbaijanis declared a separate republic. President Truman later claimed that he threatened the USSR with American military intervention. The U.S. State Department advised the Iranian prime minister, Ahmad Qavam, to negotiate and when Iran accepted the oil concession the Red Army withdrew. However, the Iranian parliament, the Majlis, later disavowed the agreement. These actions undertaken by Washington constituted the first direct American intervention in the Middle East as well as the first skirmish of the post-WWII Cold War. Anti-Soviet rhetoric claimed that the Soviet Union was bent on “world conquest” and pointed to the occupation of Eastern Europe by the Red Army. Omitted was all mention of the fact that as Nazi Germany had marched through the nations of Eastern Europe it had subjected their governments and made them allies. Then many waged war themselves against the USSR. Thus, the Red Army was occupying those nations for the same reason the United States and Britain were occupying Germany, Austria and Italy. American elites had plans for the reconstruction of Europe that would reintegrate the entire region into a revived capitalist order under American authority and communist Russia’s occupation of Eastern Europe was seen to obstruct those goals. No consideration was given to the very real security concerns that the Soviets had, especially about their eastern borders from whence twice in the early 20th Century they had been invaded. In fact, Russian non-actions at the time, not only with respect to Iran, indicated exactly the opposite of what Washington wanted the world to believe. The Red Army could easily have re-entered Iranian territory after the Majlis reneged on the oil concession and there was nothing, short of the atomic bomb that could have dislodged them. But it did not. Within a few years Soviet troops also withdrew from Austria and Manchuria quite in contradiction to the American assertion that they were intent on global conquest. There was no evidence whatever of Soviet designs to expand beyond what it declared to be its security zone in Eastern Europe. The U.S. had committed itself to an adversarial relationship with its former ally, in the absence of which the Nazis would never have been defeated, and it had initiated its long-term intervention into the internal affairs of Iran and many other nations, which, of course, continue to this day. When the Shah was overthrown in 1979 few Americans had any sense of why this occurred, especially because most journalists supinely omitted any reportage of crimes committed by the “king of kings” against the Iranian people. The public had been conditioned to believe for decades that Mohammed Reza Shah Pahlavi was a benevolent sovereign, beloved by his people, a staunch ally of the United States, and a pillar of stability in the region. Most had no sense that the Shah was installed by the Central Intelligence Agency when it conspired with other Iranians to topple the elected government of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953 because he had the temerity to insist that the oil resources of his nation were the birthright of the Iranian people rather than the property of western oil companies. The public had no understanding of how brutal the Shah’s dictatorship was in fact and no comprehension of the role Washington had played in enabling his feared secret police, the SAVAK, to terrorize all Iranians who objected to his policies. To the extent that the general public took any notice at all of Iran they accepted the claim that the Shah was America’s “policeman in the Gulf,” aiding the United States in its efforts to “contain” the threat of the Soviet Union. The real menace to the interests of American corporate elites emanated from the upsurge in nationalism among all peoples around the globe who had been victims of western colonialism. World War II effectively finished Europe’s empires and nations from Indonesia, Vietnam, India, to Kenya, Congo, Guatemala, Cuba, Chile and many others were rising in the post-war period to obtain independence, and who, like Iran in the early 1950s, sought to nationalize their resources. From the perspective of the would-be American overlords this was their cardinal sin. Such appropriations of national reserves like Vietnam’s independence movement, Egypt’s nationalization of the Suez Canal, Mossadegh’s actions, or Qassim’s appropriations of oil in Iraq in 1956, if successfully carried out and allowed to stand, would have thwarted the grand strategy of the U.S. to exert American corporate control over such assets, markets and cheaper foreign labor and the immense profits that would acrue to American industrial and banking giants. Since communist ideology also promoted national independence for western colonies intense government and media propaganda convinced the American citizenry that resistance to the American agenda and global turmoil was all the work of the Soviet devil. Even before WWII ended key members of the ruling elite sought preventive measures against a return to depression and mass unemployment. Sixteen million veterans were returning to civilian life. Would they face renewed unemployment and soup kitchens as so many had in the Great Depression of the 1930s? The director of war production, who had formerly been chief executive officer of the General Electric Company, a giant in what President Dwight Eisenhower would later designate the “Military-Industrial Complex,” argued that the U.S. needed a “permanent war economy.” Many of the massive corporations that now dominate the American political economy either grew exponentially during WWII or got their start as a result of government contracts financed by new taxation and borrowing. Only such massive government intervention put citizens back to work or in the military regiments. Given the nature of capitalism few among elite decision makers in the postwar could imagine restructuring such production to meet purely domestic purposes primarily because there was less profit to be made. War or the manufactured threat of war is the lifeblood of the military corporations and their financiers. Thus the ally that had been indispensable in the defeat of Nazism overnight became the new menace to American national security, despite the fact that the USSR had suffered upwards of 30 million deaths and its principal cities lay in ruins. From that moment on the “Cold War” became the ideological organizing touchstone of American society. Even then many citizens resisted the new precepts. Henry Wallace, who had been vice president under Roosevelt, led the popular movement for cooperation between the two post-war giants but he was reviled by the high priests of political orthodoxy as a “fellow traveler” of the communists, as were any who dissented from the new agenda. Inside the inner sanctum of the new “National Security State” a top secret document, NSC-68, specified a comprehensive blueprint to militarize American society, called for a tripling of taxation to expand the military budget and achieve nuclear supremacy by creating the hydrogen bomb. Even so the populace resisted until in the words of Secretary of State Dean Acheson “Thank God Korea came along.” Though Acheson himself had declared that Korea was outside of America’s “defensive perimeter,” warhawks in Washington and on Wall Street declared that the civil war between Korean factions on the other side of the planet imperiled the “free world.” What actually was at risk was the new militarized superstate, and the tax guaranteed profits to the corporations embedded in the war economy. The war that followed left 3 million Koreans and 37,000 US soldiers dead, threatened China with nuclear destruction, leading the Chinese to deploy their own nukes in short order. To cite only some cases, from 1947 to the present the United States has intervened politically or violently in Iran, China, Ukraine, Italy, Greece, Egypt, Vietnam, Guatemala, Indonesia, Congo, Cuba, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Cambodia, Laos, Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, and most recently has intruded brutally in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Syria. Though internal domestic opposition to American interventions and wars has always surfaced the majority of the public historically succumbs to the incessant propaganda projected by U.S. governments of either party and their corporate allies and the media that military action is necessary for reasons of national security or to protect favored allies. Recently “humanitarian intervention” has surfaced as justification for American deployments in Muslim countries. The doctrine’s principal exponent, former UN ambassador Samantha Power, was instrumental in toppling the Libyan regime of Muammar Qaddafi, with catastrophic results for innumerable civilians. Along with her boss Hillary Clinton, and National Security adviser Susan Rice, these “gentle” women also encouraged the Obama administration to support and arm the rebellion against the Assad regime in Syria leading to today’s incessantly violent chaos, uncountable deaths, the outflow of hundreds of thousands of refugees and the destabilization of numerous nations from Africa to Europe. In 1991 the pretext of the communist menace disappeared with the dissolution of the Soviet Union. That brief window of peaceful cooperation closed rapidly and Russia was soon demonized again as the principal menace to “liberal order.” The Trump Administration won election in great part because it promised a more cooperative relationship with Russia, one of the only ray’s of light in that dismal campaign. But what is now termed the American “deep state” is fostering a renewed condition of militarized tension with that nation. Trump also promised millions that he would renew the American economy and bring back jobs for millions who feel betrayed and impoverished by the flight of investment capital overseas in search of cheaper labor and the robotization of such industries that remain. “America First” is Trump’s watchword. Yet he has turned management of the U.S. economy over to the very bankers who orchestrated the swindles that led to the near collapse of the world economy in 2008. As I write these words Trump has launched missiles at a Syrian airfield, employed the U.S.’s deadliest weapon short of nukes in Afghanistan, bombed Yemen, and sent troops to Somalia. His Secretary of Defense, former General James Mattis, affectionately called “mad dog” by his troops, threatens Iran, falsely accusing it of violations of the recently signed agreement on nuclear proliferation. Trump is recklessly threatening North Korea, potentially creating an extreme risk of a nuclear event that would certainly also engage China. He has called for an increase in military spending that by itself is almost larger than the entire military budget of any other country. Despite promises of prosperity for all the taxes to fund all this will fall on the shoulders of the broad American middle class and generations to come, not on the giant corporations that are all but tax exempt- as it appears Trump himself has been for decades. Rather than sanely reducing the risk of war as he promised his presidency looks increasingly worrying. As his foreign policies take shape they are indistinguishable from those of his Democratic Party opponents and the global dominance doctrines of Bush’s neo-conservatives. They are all fated to fail and unless derailed ensure yet more widespread war and suffering. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 8 16:51:49 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 16:51:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Excellent Counterpunch article Message-ID: MAY 5, 2017 War and Empire: the American Way of Life by PAUL ATWOOD * * * * Email * * [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/07/print-sp.png] [Screen Shot 2017-05-05 at 9.37.19 AM] Photo courtesy of CC BY 2.0 A few months ago I received a message from a professor at the Khomeini Institute for Education and Research in Tehran, Iran, informing me that my 2010 book “War and Empire: The American Way of Life” (London, Pluto Press) had been translated into Farsi. He requested that I write an Introduction for Iranian readers. What follows is that Introduction. Two years ago the Xinhua Peoples’ Press in Beijing, China also published a translation in Mandarin. In the aftermath of Saddam Hussein’s 1991 attempt to annex Kuwait the U.S. deliberately destroyed much of Iraq’s water and sewer infrastructure. The Pentagon even admitted on its website that these acts would lead to mass outbreaks of disease. These were certifiable war crimes under international law. After Saddam’s defeat the U.S. also imposed widespread sanctions on his regime that included preventing necessary medicines from reaching Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens perished as a result. In an infamous interview in 1996 Madeleine Albright, then the Secretary of State, was asked to justify the deaths of 500,000 children. She defended these atrocities by saying “I think this is a very hard choice but we think the price is worth it.” Twenty-one years have elapsed since Albright uttered her rationalization of this vicious barbarity and it has been virtually “disappeared” from the collective memory of Americans. But it is far from being the only one. Today much the same is being visited upon the children of Mosul, Syria and Yemen. Fifty thousand more marines are slated for deployment to Afghanistan and the new Defense Secretary’s bellicose rhetoric threatens Iran. When I undertook to write this book I could not imagine that it would ever be translated into Farsi or Mandarin Chinese. Over the course of my teaching career I had become increasingly concerned about the vacancy of knowledge about their nation’s past on the part of my students and by extension many millions of my fellow American citizens. This condition of ignorance is the effect of the incomplete and, too often, dishonest orthodoxy in required school texts and by the distortion of the real past by popular culture, Hollywood films and corporate controlled network television, especially the purported “news.” George Orwell was correct. “Who controls the present controls the past.” What the majority of Americans are conditioned to think they know about their past (and that of many other peoples) is myth, and too often, sheer illusion. Misdirection and manipulation about proclaimed threats from abroad since 1945 has led directly into wars and unjust armed interventions and coups in many other nations. The results are always tragic on a colossal scale. None of this is accidental or new. Since the end of World War II the U.S. ruling elites have set forth an agenda claimed to foster what they call a “liberal world order” in which democracy and human rights for all are the declared goals. But little about real U.S. actions in the world supports these claims. Washington has overthrown elected governments and waged catastrophic war upon helpless civilians in many nations since 1945. The public is told that national security and “vital interests” are at stake and the corporate controlled media ensure that key realities are omitted, or distorted. It is no secret that today much of the human species is living in existential crisis-whether from war, economic exploitation or dire effects of climate change- and the profound ignorance about how the past shapes the present is a major factor in our failure to fashion a more peaceful and beneficial future. This volume is simply an attempt to illuminate much of the hidden history of the United States in the hope that more citizens in the United States will realize that we cannot continue on this destructive path and must find a way to cooperate with other nations instead of seeking to dominate them or outcompete them in a self-defeating contest for diminishing resources. Many American officials pay lip service to international cooperation but they really mean collaboration with the overarching American agenda. The words of those who have formulated the grand strategy for American global dominance since the U.S. emerged as the most militarily dominant nation after WWII must be taken seriously but desires for global dominance were evident long before. Consider the oft-quoted language of George F. Kennan, the U.S. State Department’s architect of the Cold War with the Soviet Union immediately after World War II. In a top secret document circulated only to other key officials he took notice of the fact that the American population was (in 1948) only 6.3% of the world’s but that the U.S. effectively controlled about 50% of the world’s resources. The object of U.S. policy, he declared, should be to maintain that disparity and employ “straight power tactics” to enforce this global inequality, while avoiding all rhetoric about commitment to human rights, raising other peoples’ living standards, democratization and the like. Kennan’s vision, coupled with the U.S. creation of the World Bank and International Monetary fund, anticipated a globalized economy under firm control by American and allied European banks and industries, and backed by American firepower. Much closer in time to the present is the comprehensive plan for complete American dominance of the planet projected in brutally frank and exacting detail by former national security chief Zbigniev Brzezinsky in his book, The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geo-strategic Imperatives. Eurasia is the globe’s largest continent and is geopolitically axial. A power that dominates Asia would dominate two of the three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa’s subordination…About 75 percent of the world’s people live in Eurasia and most of the world’s wealth is there as well…Eurasia accounts for about three-fourths of the world’s energy resources. Upon assuming the presidency of the U.S. in 2001 George W. Bush filled his administration with so called Neo-Conservatives, members of the Project for a New American Century, who, with their allies in the Pentagon, called for nothing less than “full spectrum dominance” of planet Earth. Exploiting the hysteria mounted in the U.S. after the events of September 11, 2001 Bush II then proceeded to call for all-out war against what he termed the “axis of evil.” General Wesley Clark, a 2004 Democratic Party candidate for president, later revealed that the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld Administration had secret plans all along to overthrow the [warempire] governments of Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia and Sudan, and “finish off” Iran. All that was needed was a “new Pearl Harbor” and the events of September 11, 2001 provided that pretext, launching a state of permanent war primarily against the Muslim world. Citizens of the U.S., like myself, who have long studied these matters and have opposed our nation’s imperial policies know that what these men, and many others like them, have proposed is exactly what they accused Nazi Germany and Communist Russia of attempting. Of course, proponents of what the first Bush deemed the “New World Order” in 1991 allege that this American imperium will constitute a radical departure from past empires and will instead usher in and guarantee a new age of democracy and human rights for all humanity. They assert this even as their bombs and those of their allies shatter the lives literally of millions in the Islamic world. The U.S. began its history as a colony of the early British Empire and an outpost of nascent capitalism though this essential fact is de-emphasized in standard accounts in favor of the claim that the primary incentive for the colonial project was “freedom of religion.” The earliest British colonies in North America, Virginia and Massachusetts, were established as joint-stock companies, precursors of the modern corporation, to return profits to the mother country from resources of fish, game, furs, lumber and later, tobacco, cotton and the industries that followed. Acquisition of these valued assets required the conquest, displacement or extermination of the native populations already living here. The name, Massachusetts, for example, the state where I live, is all that remains of the people who once inhabited the area of what is now Boston. Later, the profits derived from forcible acquisition of the land, and the slave labor to cultivate it underwrote the industrial revolution and this catapulted the United States into position as the richest nation on earth and soon the militarily most powerful. Only a century after breaking away from British rule the United States itself leapt upon the stage of empire to compete with other Europeans for dominance in the world, taking the former Spanish colonies of Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, and Guam by force, and annexing Hawaii. Brooks Adams, the descendant of two presidents, exulted that “this war is the first gun in the battle for ownership of the world.” In the Senate Albert Beveridge proclaimed that “The power that rules the Pacific rules the world.” U.S. entry into both World Wars and all subsequent armed interventions is almost always mystified and characterized as a defense of democracy and human rights. In no case was American national security remotely threatened if by that we mean the vulnerability to invasion and military defeat. Since the end of World War II the United States has waged numerous full scale wars and many smaller conflicts in the name of national security and claims of principle and high ideals. Americans are unremittingly habituated to believe Madeleine Albright’s all-encompassing contention that the United States is “the indispensable nation.” The end result of our actions has been many millions dead, maimed, reduced to penury, and desolated with grief. Americans are encouraged to see ourselves as humanitarians yet the widespread denial of our collective responsibility for the raw misery for those on the receiving end of our military firepower is nothing less than indefensible. Until WWII the U.S. was perceived, if not exactly as a benevolent friend of Muslim peoples, at least it was not yet seen as one more imperial power set upon exploiting the greater Middle East. This positive estimation changed virtually the moment that war ended and the regional shift toward virulent anti-Americanism originated in Iran. During World War II Iran had been co-occupied by Soviet, British and American troops. The Allies violated Iran’s declared neutrality because they thought that the country’s ruler, Reza Shah, was too friendly with Nazi Germany and they wished to use Iranian territory to transship supplies from the Persian Gulf to the USSR. The British owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now British Petroleum) had virtually monopolized production and profits from the industry and the Allies also wanted to prevent the country’s oil reserves from potential access by Germany. The three nations had agreed to withdraw from Iran within six months after the war’s end. In March of 1946 Soviet troops had still not withdrawn and Washington claimed that this was evidence of Stalin’s desire to expand communism and threaten the entire region. The reality was that the Soviet Union had suffered immense damage from the war and needed energy supplies to rebuild. Russians wanted some guarantee from Iran that they could purchase a certain quota of Iranian oil for this purpose and sought to gain an oil concession in the Azerbaijani region of Iran, which bordered the Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan. Washington and the Iranian government feared that the Soviets might act to annex the territory when Iranian Azerbaijanis declared a separate republic. President Truman later claimed that he threatened the USSR with American military intervention. The U.S. State Department advised the Iranian prime minister, Ahmad Qavam, to negotiate and when Iran accepted the oil concession the Red Army withdrew. However, the Iranian parliament, the Majlis, later disavowed the agreement. These actions undertaken by Washington constituted the first direct American intervention in the Middle East as well as the first skirmish of the post-WWII Cold War. Anti-Soviet rhetoric claimed that the Soviet Union was bent on “world conquest” and pointed to the occupation of Eastern Europe by the Red Army. Omitted was all mention of the fact that as Nazi Germany had marched through the nations of Eastern Europe it had subjected their governments and made them allies. Then many waged war themselves against the USSR. Thus, the Red Army was occupying those nations for the same reason the United States and Britain were occupying Germany, Austria and Italy. American elites had plans for the reconstruction of Europe that would reintegrate the entire region into a revived capitalist order under American authority and communist Russia’s occupation of Eastern Europe was seen to obstruct those goals. No consideration was given to the very real security concerns that the Soviets had, especially about their eastern borders from whence twice in the early 20th Century they had been invaded. In fact, Russian non-actions at the time, not only with respect to Iran, indicated exactly the opposite of what Washington wanted the world to believe. The Red Army could easily have re-entered Iranian territory after the Majlis reneged on the oil concession and there was nothing, short of the atomic bomb that could have dislodged them. But it did not. Within a few years Soviet troops also withdrew from Austria and Manchuria quite in contradiction to the American assertion that they were intent on global conquest. There was no evidence whatever of Soviet designs to expand beyond what it declared to be its security zone in Eastern Europe. The U.S. had committed itself to an adversarial relationship with its former ally, in the absence of which the Nazis would never have been defeated, and it had initiated its long-term intervention into the internal affairs of Iran and many other nations, which, of course, continue to this day. When the Shah was overthrown in 1979 few Americans had any sense of why this occurred, especially because most journalists supinely omitted any reportage of crimes committed by the “king of kings” against the Iranian people. The public had been conditioned to believe for decades that Mohammed Reza Shah Pahlavi was a benevolent sovereign, beloved by his people, a staunch ally of the United States, and a pillar of stability in the region. Most had no sense that the Shah was installed by the Central Intelligence Agency when it conspired with other Iranians to topple the elected government of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953 because he had the temerity to insist that the oil resources of his nation were the birthright of the Iranian people rather than the property of western oil companies. The public had no understanding of how brutal the Shah’s dictatorship was in fact and no comprehension of the role Washington had played in enabling his feared secret police, the SAVAK, to terrorize all Iranians who objected to his policies. To the extent that the general public took any notice at all of Iran they accepted the claim that the Shah was America’s “policeman in the Gulf,” aiding the United States in its efforts to “contain” the threat of the Soviet Union. The real menace to the interests of American corporate elites emanated from the upsurge in nationalism among all peoples around the globe who had been victims of western colonialism. World War II effectively finished Europe’s empires and nations from Indonesia, Vietnam, India, to Kenya, Congo, Guatemala, Cuba, Chile and many others were rising in the post-war period to obtain independence, and who, like Iran in the early 1950s, sought to nationalize their resources. From the perspective of the would-be American overlords this was their cardinal sin. Such appropriations of national reserves like Vietnam’s independence movement, Egypt’s nationalization of the Suez Canal, Mossadegh’s actions, or Qassim’s appropriations of oil in Iraq in 1956, if successfully carried out and allowed to stand, would have thwarted the grand strategy of the U.S. to exert American corporate control over such assets, markets and cheaper foreign labor and the immense profits that would acrue to American industrial and banking giants. Since communist ideology also promoted national independence for western colonies intense government and media propaganda convinced the American citizenry that resistance to the American agenda and global turmoil was all the work of the Soviet devil. Even before WWII ended key members of the ruling elite sought preventive measures against a return to depression and mass unemployment. Sixteen million veterans were returning to civilian life. Would they face renewed unemployment and soup kitchens as so many had in the Great Depression of the 1930s? The director of war production, who had formerly been chief executive officer of the General Electric Company, a giant in what President Dwight Eisenhower would later designate the “Military-Industrial Complex,” argued that the U.S. needed a “permanent war economy.” Many of the massive corporations that now dominate the American political economy either grew exponentially during WWII or got their start as a result of government contracts financed by new taxation and borrowing. Only such massive government intervention put citizens back to work or in the military regiments. Given the nature of capitalism few among elite decision makers in the postwar could imagine restructuring such production to meet purely domestic purposes primarily because there was less profit to be made. War or the manufactured threat of war is the lifeblood of the military corporations and their financiers. Thus the ally that had been indispensable in the defeat of Nazism overnight became the new menace to American national security, despite the fact that the USSR had suffered upwards of 30 million deaths and its principal cities lay in ruins. From that moment on the “Cold War” became the ideological organizing touchstone of American society. Even then many citizens resisted the new precepts. Henry Wallace, who had been vice president under Roosevelt, led the popular movement for cooperation between the two post-war giants but he was reviled by the high priests of political orthodoxy as a “fellow traveler” of the communists, as were any who dissented from the new agenda. Inside the inner sanctum of the new “National Security State” a top secret document, NSC-68, specified a comprehensive blueprint to militarize American society, called for a tripling of taxation to expand the military budget and achieve nuclear supremacy by creating the hydrogen bomb. Even so the populace resisted until in the words of Secretary of State Dean Acheson “Thank God Korea came along.” Though Acheson himself had declared that Korea was outside of America’s “defensive perimeter,” warhawks in Washington and on Wall Street declared that the civil war between Korean factions on the other side of the planet imperiled the “free world.” What actually was at risk was the new militarized superstate, and the tax guaranteed profits to the corporations embedded in the war economy. The war that followed left 3 million Koreans and 37,000 US soldiers dead, threatened China with nuclear destruction, leading the Chinese to deploy their own nukes in short order. To cite only some cases, from 1947 to the present the United States has intervened politically or violently in Iran, China, Ukraine, Italy, Greece, Egypt, Vietnam, Guatemala, Indonesia, Congo, Cuba, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Cambodia, Laos, Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, and most recently has intruded brutally in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Syria. Though internal domestic opposition to American interventions and wars has always surfaced the majority of the public historically succumbs to the incessant propaganda projected by U.S. governments of either party and their corporate allies and the media that military action is necessary for reasons of national security or to protect favored allies. Recently “humanitarian intervention” has surfaced as justification for American deployments in Muslim countries. The doctrine’s principal exponent, former UN ambassador Samantha Power, was instrumental in toppling the Libyan regime of Muammar Qaddafi, with catastrophic results for innumerable civilians. Along with her boss Hillary Clinton, and National Security adviser Susan Rice, these “gentle” women also encouraged the Obama administration to support and arm the rebellion against the Assad regime in Syria leading to today’s incessantly violent chaos, uncountable deaths, the outflow of hundreds of thousands of refugees and the destabilization of numerous nations from Africa to Europe. In 1991 the pretext of the communist menace disappeared with the dissolution of the Soviet Union. That brief window of peaceful cooperation closed rapidly and Russia was soon demonized again as the principal menace to “liberal order.” The Trump Administration won election in great part because it promised a more cooperative relationship with Russia, one of the only ray’s of light in that dismal campaign. But what is now termed the American “deep state” is fostering a renewed condition of militarized tension with that nation. Trump also promised millions that he would renew the American economy and bring back jobs for millions who feel betrayed and impoverished by the flight of investment capital overseas in search of cheaper labor and the robotization of such industries that remain. “America First” is Trump’s watchword. Yet he has turned management of the U.S. economy over to the very bankers who orchestrated the swindles that led to the near collapse of the world economy in 2008. As I write these words Trump has launched missiles at a Syrian airfield, employed the U.S.’s deadliest weapon short of nukes in Afghanistan, bombed Yemen, and sent troops to Somalia. His Secretary of Defense, former General James Mattis, affectionately called “mad dog” by his troops, threatens Iran, falsely accusing it of violations of the recently signed agreement on nuclear proliferation. Trump is recklessly threatening North Korea, potentially creating an extreme risk of a nuclear event that would certainly also engage China. He has called for an increase in military spending that by itself is almost larger than the entire military budget of any other country. Despite promises of prosperity for all the taxes to fund all this will fall on the shoulders of the broad American middle class and generations to come, not on the giant corporations that are all but tax exempt- as it appears Trump himself has been for decades. Rather than sanely reducing the risk of war as he promised his presidency looks increasingly worrying. As his foreign policies take shape they are indistinguishable from those of his Democratic Party opponents and the global dominance doctrines of Bush’s neo-conservatives. They are all fated to fail and unless derailed ensure yet more widespread war and suffering. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Institute for Public Accuracy . [mailto:ipa at accuracy.org] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:10 PM To: francis.a.boyle at gmail.com Subject: Drone Killings: "Making Children Afraid of Sunny Days" [http://app.meltwaterpress.com/mpress/statistic.html?accessCode=8156f2ac04d0ac2b8620461e0ba77a897888fe6d&distributionId=535142&contact=francis.a.boyle at gmail.com] Drone Killings: "Making Children Afraid of Sunny Days" The award winning documentary "National Bird" -- which is now airing on PBS stations --- is available for a limited time online through PBS. The film "follows the dramatic journey of three whistleblowers determined to break the silence around one of the most controversial issues of our time: the secret U.S. drone war." The following can be reached for interviews via Cara White, cara.white [at[ mac.com. SONIA KENNEBECK, @NationalBirdDoc Kennebeck, director and producer of "National Bird," said today: “While the drone war is considered by many a legacy of the Obama administration, President Trump’s apparent embrace of the drone program is making 'National Bird' incredibly timely. ... "As 'National Bird' shows, this weapon greatly impacts the people and the societies in the target countries, and also the pilots and analysts operating the drones. The drone war is not as clean and surgical as politicians want us to believe, and it is not even remotely clear if it is ... reducing terrorism.” LISA LING, @aretvet Ling is one of the drone whistleblowers profiled in "National Bird." She said today: "I believe the public should be made aware of what is being done in our name. We should be informed of strikes and that which governs them. From the ground, people living under drones have no idea if ordnance will be dropped, where it will be dropped, or when it will be dropped. A constant threat overhead that could kill you, your family, friends, neighbors. ... "No one is immune from a strike. This is nothing short of terror, the kind of terror that makes children afraid of sunny days. We are not fighting a finite army. A person becomes a 'terrorist' when they say they are. If, as General McChrystal has suggested, five new terrorists are created when there is a strike, when will these 'wars' end? All of this warrants a public debate, this film starts the necessary conversation." Ling is a former technical sergeant on drone surveillance systems, grew up in California and initially joined the military as an army medic and nurse. When it became apparent that she was adept with computers, she transferred to a combat communications squadron, which later became an intelligence squadron. Her final deployment as a technical sergeant was to Beale Air Force Base, California, where she worked on the Distributed Ground System (DGS), a weapons system that makes use of drones to collect vast amounts of data to find and kill targets. Like other whistleblowers featured in the film, Ling had a top-secret clearance. NBC News reported recently: "Trump Admin Ups Drone Strikes, Tolerates More Civilian Deaths: U.S. Officials." The Washington Post reported in November: "Obama administration expands elite military unit’s powers to hunt foreign fighters globally." May 8, 2017 Institute for Public Accuracy 980 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 (202) 347-0020 * accuracy.org * ipa at accuracy.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 8 20:49:35 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 20:49:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The lesson of East Timor, by John Pilger Message-ID: * * * * * * ort * Op-Edge * In vision * In motion * RT360 * Shows * More HomeOp-Edge The universal lesson of East Timor [John Pilger] Journalist, film-maker and author, John Pilger is one of two to win British journalism’s highest award twice. For his documentary films, he has won an Emmy and a British Academy Award, a BAFTA. Among numerous other awards, he has won a Royal Television Society Best Documentary Award. His epic 1979 Cambodia Year Zero is ranked by the British Film Institute as one of the ten most important documentaries of the 20th century. Published time: 8 May, 2017 11:36 Get short URL [The universal lesson of East Timor] An aerial view of East Timor's town of Dili during sunset. © Bazuki Muhammad / Reuters 21 Filming undercover in East Timor in 1993 I followed a landscape of crosses: great black crosses etched against the sky, crosses on peaks, crosses marching down the hillsides, crosses beside the road. They littered the earth and crowded the eye. The inscriptions on the crosses revealed the extinction of whole families, wiped out in the space of a year, a month, a day. Village after village stood as memorials. Kraras is one such village. Known as the "village of the widows", the population of 287 people was murdered by Indonesian troops. Using a typewriter with a faded ribbon, a local priest had recorded the name, age, cause of death and date of the killing of every victim. In the last column, he identified the Indonesian battalion responsible for each murder. It was evidence of genocide. I still have this document, which I find difficult to put down, as if the blood of East Timor is fresh on its pages. On the list is the dos Anjos family. In 1987, I interviewed Arthur Stevenson, known as Steve, a former Australian commando who had fought the Japanese in the Portuguese colony of East Timor in 1942. He told me the story of Celestino dos Anjos, whose ingenuity and bravery had saved his life, and the lives of other Australian soldiers fighting behind Japanese lines. Steve described the day leaflets fluttered down from a Royal Australian Air Force plane; "We shall never forget you," the leaflets said. Soon afterwards, the Australians were ordered to abandon the island of Timor, leaving the people to their fate. When I met Steve, he had just received a letter from Celestino's son, Virgillo, who was the same age as his own son. Virgillo wrote that his father had survived the Indonesian invasion of East Timor in 1975, but he went on: "In August 1983, Indonesian forces entered our village, Kraras. They looted, burned and massacred, with fighter aircraft overhead. On 27 September 1983, they made my father and my wife dig their own graves and they machine-gunned them. My wife was pregnant." The Kraras list is an extraordinary political document that shames Indonesia's Faustian partners in the West and teaches us how much of the world is run. The fighter aircraft that attacked Kraras came from the United States; the machine guns and surface-to-air missiles came from Britain; the silence and betrayal came from Australia. Read more [Notorious Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot pictured during his show trial July 25, 1997, at the Khmer Rouge stronghold of Anlong Veng in northern Cambodia. © Reuters]From Pol Pot to ISIS: The Blood Never Dried The priest of Kraras wrote on the final page: "To the capitalist governors of the world, Timor's petroleum smells better than Timorese blood and tears. Who will take this truth to the world? ... It is evident that Indonesia would never have committed such a crime if it had not received favourable guarantees from [Western] governments." As the Indonesian dictator General Suharto was about to invade East Timor (the Portuguese had abandoned their colony), he tipped off the ambassadors of Australia, the United States and Britain. In secret cables subsequently leaked, the Australian ambassador, Richard Woolcott, urged his government to "act in a way which would be designed to minimise the public impact in Australia and show private understanding to Indonesia." He alluded to the beckoning spoils of oil and gas in the Timor Sea that separated the island from northern Australia. There was no word of concern for the Timorese. In my experience as a reporter, East Timor was the greatest crime of the late 20th century. I had much to do with Cambodia, yet not even Pol Pot put to death as many people - proportionally - as Suharto killed and starved in East Timor. In 1993, the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Australian Parliament estimated that "at least 200,000" East Timorese, a third of the population, had perished under Suharto. Australia was the only western country formally to recognise Indonesia's genocidal conquest. The murderous Indonesian special forces known as Kopassus were trained by Australian special forces at a base near Perth. The prize in resources, said Foreign Minister Gareth Evans, was worth "zillions" of dollars. In my 1994 film, Death of a Nation: the Timor Conspiracy, a gloating Evans is filmed lifting a champagne glass as he and Ali Alatas, Suharto's foreign minister, fly over the Timor Sea, having signed a piratical treaty that divided the oil and gas riches of the Timor Sea. I also filmed witnesses such as Abel Gutteras, now the Ambassador of Timor-Leste (East Timor's post independence name) to Australia. He told me, "We believe we can win and we can count on all those people in the world to listen - that nothing is impossible, and peace and freedom are always worth fighting for." Remarkably, they did win. Many people all over the world did hear them, and a tireless movement added to the pressure on Suharto's backers in Washington, London and Canberra to abandon the dictator. But there was also a silence. For years, the free press of the complicit countries all but ignored East Timor. There were honourable exceptions, such as the courageous Max Stahl, who filmed the 1991 massacre in the Santa Cruz cemetery. Leading journalists almost literally fell at the feet of Suharto. In a photograph of a group of Australian editors visiting Jakarta, led by the Murdoch editor Paul Kelly, one of them is bowing to Suharto, the genocidist. Read more [A Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 stealth fighter jet lands at the Avalon Airshow in Victoria, Australia, March 3, 2017. © Australian Defence Force]Australia is sleepwalking into confrontation with China From 1999 to 2002, the Australian Government took an estimated $1.2 billion in revenue from one oil and gas field in the Timor Sea. During the same period, Australia gave less than $200 million in so-called aid to East Timor. In 2002, two months before East Timor won its independence, as Ben Doherty reported in January, "Australia secretly withdrew from the maritime boundary dispute resolution procedures of the UN convention the Law of the Sea, and the equivalent jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice, so that it could not be compelled into legally binding international arbitration". The former Prime Minister John Howard has described his government's role in East Timor's independence as "noble". Howard's foreign minister, Alexander Downer, once burst into the cabinet room in Dili, East Timor, and told Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri, "We are very tough ... Let me give you a tutorial in politics ..." Today, it is Timor-Leste that is giving the tutorial in politics. After years of trickery and bullying by Canberra, the people of Timor-Leste have demanded and won the right to negotiate before the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) a legal maritime boundary and a proper share of the oil and gas. Australia owes Timor Leste a huge debt - some would say, billions of dollars in reparations. Australia should hand over, unconditionally, all royalties collected since Gareth Evans toasted Suharto's dictatorship while flying over the graves of its victims. The Economist lauds Timor-Leste as the most democratic country in southeast Asia today. Is that an accolade? Or does it mean approval of a small and vulnerable country joining the great game of globalisation? For the weakest, globalisation is an insidious colonialism that enables transnational finance and its camp-followers to penetrate deeper, as Edward Said wrote, than the old imperialists in their gun boats. It can mean a model of development that gave Indonesia, under Suharto, gross inequality and corruption; that drove people off their land and into slums, then boasted about a growth rate. The people of Timor-Leste deserve better than faint praise from the "capitalist governors of the world", as the priest of Kraras wrote. They did not fight and die and vote for entrenched poverty and a growth rate. They deserve the right to sustain themselves when the oil and gas run out as it will. At the very least, their courage ought to be a beacon in our memory: a universal political lesson. Bravo, Timor-Leste. Bravo and beware. On May 5, John Pilger was presented with the Order of Timor-Leste by East Timor's Ambassador to Australia, Abel Gutteras, in recognition of his reporting on East Timor under Indonesia's brutal occupation, especially his landmark documentary film, Death of a Nation: the Timor Conspiracy. John Pilger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 8 20:49:35 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 20:49:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The lesson of East Timor, by John Pilger Message-ID: * * * * * * ort * Op-Edge * In vision * In motion * RT360 * Shows * More HomeOp-Edge The universal lesson of East Timor [John Pilger] Journalist, film-maker and author, John Pilger is one of two to win British journalism’s highest award twice. For his documentary films, he has won an Emmy and a British Academy Award, a BAFTA. Among numerous other awards, he has won a Royal Television Society Best Documentary Award. His epic 1979 Cambodia Year Zero is ranked by the British Film Institute as one of the ten most important documentaries of the 20th century. Published time: 8 May, 2017 11:36 Get short URL [The universal lesson of East Timor] An aerial view of East Timor's town of Dili during sunset. © Bazuki Muhammad / Reuters 21 Filming undercover in East Timor in 1993 I followed a landscape of crosses: great black crosses etched against the sky, crosses on peaks, crosses marching down the hillsides, crosses beside the road. They littered the earth and crowded the eye. The inscriptions on the crosses revealed the extinction of whole families, wiped out in the space of a year, a month, a day. Village after village stood as memorials. Kraras is one such village. Known as the "village of the widows", the population of 287 people was murdered by Indonesian troops. Using a typewriter with a faded ribbon, a local priest had recorded the name, age, cause of death and date of the killing of every victim. In the last column, he identified the Indonesian battalion responsible for each murder. It was evidence of genocide. I still have this document, which I find difficult to put down, as if the blood of East Timor is fresh on its pages. On the list is the dos Anjos family. In 1987, I interviewed Arthur Stevenson, known as Steve, a former Australian commando who had fought the Japanese in the Portuguese colony of East Timor in 1942. He told me the story of Celestino dos Anjos, whose ingenuity and bravery had saved his life, and the lives of other Australian soldiers fighting behind Japanese lines. Steve described the day leaflets fluttered down from a Royal Australian Air Force plane; "We shall never forget you," the leaflets said. Soon afterwards, the Australians were ordered to abandon the island of Timor, leaving the people to their fate. When I met Steve, he had just received a letter from Celestino's son, Virgillo, who was the same age as his own son. Virgillo wrote that his father had survived the Indonesian invasion of East Timor in 1975, but he went on: "In August 1983, Indonesian forces entered our village, Kraras. They looted, burned and massacred, with fighter aircraft overhead. On 27 September 1983, they made my father and my wife dig their own graves and they machine-gunned them. My wife was pregnant." The Kraras list is an extraordinary political document that shames Indonesia's Faustian partners in the West and teaches us how much of the world is run. The fighter aircraft that attacked Kraras came from the United States; the machine guns and surface-to-air missiles came from Britain; the silence and betrayal came from Australia. Read more [Notorious Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot pictured during his show trial July 25, 1997, at the Khmer Rouge stronghold of Anlong Veng in northern Cambodia. © Reuters]From Pol Pot to ISIS: The Blood Never Dried The priest of Kraras wrote on the final page: "To the capitalist governors of the world, Timor's petroleum smells better than Timorese blood and tears. Who will take this truth to the world? ... It is evident that Indonesia would never have committed such a crime if it had not received favourable guarantees from [Western] governments." As the Indonesian dictator General Suharto was about to invade East Timor (the Portuguese had abandoned their colony), he tipped off the ambassadors of Australia, the United States and Britain. In secret cables subsequently leaked, the Australian ambassador, Richard Woolcott, urged his government to "act in a way which would be designed to minimise the public impact in Australia and show private understanding to Indonesia." He alluded to the beckoning spoils of oil and gas in the Timor Sea that separated the island from northern Australia. There was no word of concern for the Timorese. In my experience as a reporter, East Timor was the greatest crime of the late 20th century. I had much to do with Cambodia, yet not even Pol Pot put to death as many people - proportionally - as Suharto killed and starved in East Timor. In 1993, the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Australian Parliament estimated that "at least 200,000" East Timorese, a third of the population, had perished under Suharto. Australia was the only western country formally to recognise Indonesia's genocidal conquest. The murderous Indonesian special forces known as Kopassus were trained by Australian special forces at a base near Perth. The prize in resources, said Foreign Minister Gareth Evans, was worth "zillions" of dollars. In my 1994 film, Death of a Nation: the Timor Conspiracy, a gloating Evans is filmed lifting a champagne glass as he and Ali Alatas, Suharto's foreign minister, fly over the Timor Sea, having signed a piratical treaty that divided the oil and gas riches of the Timor Sea. I also filmed witnesses such as Abel Gutteras, now the Ambassador of Timor-Leste (East Timor's post independence name) to Australia. He told me, "We believe we can win and we can count on all those people in the world to listen - that nothing is impossible, and peace and freedom are always worth fighting for." Remarkably, they did win. Many people all over the world did hear them, and a tireless movement added to the pressure on Suharto's backers in Washington, London and Canberra to abandon the dictator. But there was also a silence. For years, the free press of the complicit countries all but ignored East Timor. There were honourable exceptions, such as the courageous Max Stahl, who filmed the 1991 massacre in the Santa Cruz cemetery. Leading journalists almost literally fell at the feet of Suharto. In a photograph of a group of Australian editors visiting Jakarta, led by the Murdoch editor Paul Kelly, one of them is bowing to Suharto, the genocidist. Read more [A Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 stealth fighter jet lands at the Avalon Airshow in Victoria, Australia, March 3, 2017. © Australian Defence Force]Australia is sleepwalking into confrontation with China From 1999 to 2002, the Australian Government took an estimated $1.2 billion in revenue from one oil and gas field in the Timor Sea. During the same period, Australia gave less than $200 million in so-called aid to East Timor. In 2002, two months before East Timor won its independence, as Ben Doherty reported in January, "Australia secretly withdrew from the maritime boundary dispute resolution procedures of the UN convention the Law of the Sea, and the equivalent jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice, so that it could not be compelled into legally binding international arbitration". The former Prime Minister John Howard has described his government's role in East Timor's independence as "noble". Howard's foreign minister, Alexander Downer, once burst into the cabinet room in Dili, East Timor, and told Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri, "We are very tough ... Let me give you a tutorial in politics ..." Today, it is Timor-Leste that is giving the tutorial in politics. After years of trickery and bullying by Canberra, the people of Timor-Leste have demanded and won the right to negotiate before the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) a legal maritime boundary and a proper share of the oil and gas. Australia owes Timor Leste a huge debt - some would say, billions of dollars in reparations. Australia should hand over, unconditionally, all royalties collected since Gareth Evans toasted Suharto's dictatorship while flying over the graves of its victims. The Economist lauds Timor-Leste as the most democratic country in southeast Asia today. Is that an accolade? Or does it mean approval of a small and vulnerable country joining the great game of globalisation? For the weakest, globalisation is an insidious colonialism that enables transnational finance and its camp-followers to penetrate deeper, as Edward Said wrote, than the old imperialists in their gun boats. It can mean a model of development that gave Indonesia, under Suharto, gross inequality and corruption; that drove people off their land and into slums, then boasted about a growth rate. The people of Timor-Leste deserve better than faint praise from the "capitalist governors of the world", as the priest of Kraras wrote. They did not fight and die and vote for entrenched poverty and a growth rate. They deserve the right to sustain themselves when the oil and gas run out as it will. At the very least, their courage ought to be a beacon in our memory: a universal political lesson. Bravo, Timor-Leste. Bravo and beware. On May 5, John Pilger was presented with the Order of Timor-Leste by East Timor's Ambassador to Australia, Abel Gutteras, in recognition of his reporting on East Timor under Indonesia's brutal occupation, especially his landmark documentary film, Death of a Nation: the Timor Conspiracy. John Pilger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 9 12:28:51 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 12:28:51 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Awards Message-ID: * WSWS * ICFI * Mehring Books * Mobile * RSS Feeds * Podcast * Newsletter * Select a language Afrikaans >العربية Čeština Deutsch Ελληνικά English Español فارسی Français Bahasa Indonesia Italiano Norsk Polski Português Română Русский Srpskohrvatski Sinhalese தமிழ் Türkçe اُردُو‎ 中文 [http://www.wsws.org/img/title.png] [http://www.wsws.org/img/logo.png] Published by the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI) Click here for advanced search » * Home * Perspectives * World News * World Economy * Arts Review * History * Science * Philosophy * Workers Struggles * ICFI/Marxist Library * Chronology * Full Archive * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » Hypocrisy and lies: Barack Obama accepts “Profile in Courage” award in Boston By Kate Randall 9 May 2017 Former President Barack Obama took time out from his whirlwind schedule of island-hopping with the rich and famous—and collecting six-figure speaking fees for Wall Street appearances—to travel Sunday to the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston to receive this year’s Profile in Courage award. Set up by members of President Kennedy’s family in 1989, the award recognizes government officials whose actions supposedly “demonstrate the qualities of politically courageous leadership in the spirit of Profiles in Courage, President Kennedy’s 1957 Pulitzer prize-winning book, which recounts the stories of eight US Senators who risked their careers by embracing unpopular positions for the greater good,” according to the library’s web site. Gerald Ford was honored in 2001 for granting a “full, free and absolute pardon” to former Richard Nixon, who resigned in disgrace in August 1974. Former President George H.W. Bush was awarded the prize in 2014 for crafting a budget deal that included tax increases after saying famously during his election campaign, “Read my lips: no new taxes.” Such figures are hardly regarded today by wide layers of the American population as models of courage. However, the presentation of the award to Barack Obama Sunday evening brought the entire operation to new level of cynicism. The Kennedy Library notes on his award: “Throughout his two terms in office, President Obama upheld the highest standards of dignity, decency and integrity, serving not just as a political leader, but a moral leader, offering hope and healing to the country and providing young men and women of all backgrounds with an example they can emulate in their own lives.” What exactly is the example that Obama set to be emulated by “young men and women of all backgrounds?” He had doors opened for him throughout his political career, was guided and groomed by ruling circles as someone who could be marketed as a candidate of “change” while orchestrating the greatest redistribution of wealth in American history—to the rich—expanding war abroad and escalating the assault on democratic rights. Now, having left office, Obama is preparing to make millions through lucrative book deals and speaking engagements as payment for services rendered. Although Obama did not mention the Affordable Care Act or “Trumpcare” in the course of his remarks accepting the award, it is clear that the passage of Obamacare was one of the main reasons he was chosen. In an appearance on NBC’s “Today Show” Friday by JFK’s daughter Caroline Kennedy, former ambassador to Japan, and grandson Jack Schlossberg, Schlossberg said Obama “made touch choices over the eight years to give people health care.” The ACA, however, did not “give people health care,” but required that they purchase it from private insurance companies. It has created the framework for corporations to slash health care, while shifting the burden of costs onto the backs of workers. In his remarks, Obama exuded complacency about the current congressional wrangling over health care and offered outright falsehoods concerning the current state of politics in America today. Referring to “some of the men and women who were elected to Congress the same year I was elected to the White House," he said, "They took votes to save the financial system and the economy, even when it was highly unpopular. They took votes to save the auto industry when even in Michigan people didn’t want to see bailouts. They took votes to crack down on abuses on Wall Street, despite pressure from lobbyists and sometimes their donors.” But why were the votes to bail out Wall Street and the auto industry so unpopular? Precisely because they let the Wall Street swindlers off scot-free and slashed the jobs and wages of autoworkers. There was no crackdown on abuses by Wall Street. Eight years after the 2008 crisis—the eight years of Obama’s tenure as president—stock market speculation is at even higher levels. Obama then stated that Democratic legislators found themselves in “a debate about whether a nation as wealthy as the United States of America would finally make health care not a privilege but a right for all Americans.” He continued, “They had a chance to insure millions and prevent untold worry and suffering and bankruptcy, and even death, but that this same vote would likely cost them their new seats, perhaps end their political careers.” He went on: “I hope that current members of Congress recall that it actually doesn’t take a lot of courage to aid those who are already powerful, already comfortable, already influential. But is does require some courage to champion the vulnerable and the sick and the infirm, and those who often have no access to the corridors of power.” Earlier on Sunday, Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price appeared on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” spewing outright lies about the House Republicans’ proposed American Health Care Act (AHCA) to “repeal and replace” Obamacare. He stated with a straight face that it would not throw millions off Medicaid, the insurance program for the poor—despite a proposed funding cut of $880 billion over a decade—and that millions of people would be not be uninsurable due to “preexisting conditions.” Where was the courage of the former president to “champion the vulnerable and the sick” in the face of this assault on Americans’ health care? The passion and outrage are not there because, in the end, the congressional “debate” over health care is one between friends, in which the for-profit health care industry is king. The health and very lives of people will be at risk whatever compromise the Democrats and Republicans put together and impose on the American people. The next stage of the health care counterrevolution builds upon the pro-corporate framework of Obamacare. In the ceremonious proceedings on Sunday, there was no mention of the Democratic administration’s two terms of unending war, its targeting of American citizens for drone assassination, its ravaging of cities such as Mosul and the killing of civilians and drowning of thousands of refugees seeking to flee war-torn areas hit by US airstrikes. What kind of “courage” is on display here? Rather, the audience was offered platitudes bearing no relation to reality. The former president urged those gathered to “joyfully embrace our responsibility as citizens, to stay true to our allegiance, to our highest and best ideals, to maintain our regard and concern for the poor and the marginalized, to put our personal or party interests aside when duty to our country calls.” All in all, a nauseating spectacle. WSWS.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue May 9 14:42:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 14:42:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: NYT: Murdering Marty Lederman of Georgetown Law on Syria Attack Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. 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URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Tue May 9 15:23:35 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 15:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] NPR transcript with Lederman/Koh References: <2124123146.5406024.1494343415895.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2124123146.5406024.1494343415895@mail.yahoo.com> ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST: When the United States carries out an attack on another nation, as it did last night on an air base in Syria, there is usually a legal justification to back it up. Not this time, at least the Trump administration has offered none so far. With no prior blessing from either the United Nations or Congress, many are asking whether the attack on Syria broke the law. NPR's David Welna has the story.DAVID WELNA, BYLINE: One thing you cannot say about the Tomahawk missile attack of that Syrian air base, that the Trump administration did not warn it was coming. At the United Nations yesterday, U.S. ambassador Nikki Haley told her colleagues that when the international community fails to act collectively against the indiscriminate use of chemical weapons, nation states may act alone. Today, Haley sought to justify last night's airstrikes.(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)NIKKI HALEY: The United States will not stand by when chemical weapons are used. It is in our vital national security interests to prevent the spread and use of chemical weapons.WELNA: But Georgetown law professor Marty Lederman, who served in the Obama Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, says the U.S. has veered outside international law under Article 2 of the United Nations Charter. He says the state cannot use force within the territory of another state without that state's consent.MARTY LEDERMAN: There are one or two exceptions to the norm. One is if it's an act of inherent self-defense. That's not at issue here. Another would be if the U.N. Security Council had approved it. That also has not happened here. And so there does not appear that there is any argument, at least none that we've heard yet, why this action would not breach the United Nations Charter.WELNA: Another veteran of the Obama administration, however, is defending the Syria airstrike. Harold Koh is a Yale law professor who was the State Department's legal adviser during Obama's first term. Koh says a limited one-shot action like this should not be forbidden.HAROLD KOH: If you are rushing your spouse to a hospital to deliver a baby and you're trying to decide whether you can run a red light, you take that risk and hope that you're not going to be held liable after the fact. And that's essentially what they did last night.WELNA: Which is why Koh says there need to be exceptions in international law, as well.KOH: If the ban on the use of force in the U.N. Charter is absolute, unless there is a U.N. Security Council resolution, Russia or China could commit genocide against its own people indefinitely and veto resolutions against it, and nobody could do a thing about it. How can that be consistent with the purposes of the U.N.?WELNA: Trump could have also sought prior approval from Congress for last night's attack in the form of a new authorization for the use of military force or AUMF. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain says a new a new AUMF is needed but not right now.(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)JOHN MCCAIN: We have to respect the role of the president as commander in chief. And I would be glad and will continue to engage in negotiations with my Democrat friends on a new AUMF, but I'm not ready for Congress to micromanage the commander in chief.WELNA: Georgetown's Lederman says Obama refused to order airstrikes against Syria's military because Congress would not agree to it.LEDERMAN: President Trump might have had much more success, either internationally or domestically with Republican Congress, at attaining such authorization. And one of the most important and, thus far, unanswered questions in this episode is why he did not even make any efforts to put this under stronger international law or domestic law footing?WELNA: A footing that many in Congress are now demanding. David Welna, NPR News, Washington. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Tue May 9 16:10:36 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 16:10:36 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NPR transcript with Lederman/Koh In-Reply-To: <2124123146.5406024.1494343415895@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2124123146.5406024.1494343415895.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2124123146.5406024.1494343415895@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <610C15AA-FE4A-4ECB-97D0-F1EB499BAA10@illinois.edu> How vile can these characters get? On May 9, 2017, at 10:23 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST: When the United States carries out an attack on another nation, as it did last night on an air base in Syria, there is usually a legal justification to back it up. Not this time, at least the Trump administration has offered none so far. With no prior blessing from either the United Nations or Congress, many are asking whether the attack on Syria broke the law. NPR's David Welna has the story. DAVID WELNA, BYLINE: One thing you cannot say about the Tomahawk missile attack of that Syrian air base, that the Trump administration did not warn it was coming. At the United Nations yesterday, U.S. ambassador Nikki Haley told her colleagues that when the international community fails to act collectively against the indiscriminate use of chemical weapons, nation states may act alone. Today, Haley sought to justify last night's airstrikes. (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING) NIKKI HALEY: The United States will not stand by when chemical weapons are used. It is in our vital national security interests to prevent the spread and use of chemical weapons. WELNA: But Georgetown law professor Marty Lederman, who served in the Obama Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, says the U.S. has veered outside international law under Article 2 of the United Nations Charter. He says the state cannot use force within the territory of another state without that state's consent. MARTY LEDERMAN: There are one or two exceptions to the norm. One is if it's an act of inherent self-defense. That's not at issue here. Another would be if the U.N. Security Council had approved it. That also has not happened here. And so there does not appear that there is any argument, at least none that we've heard yet, why this action would not breach the United Nations Charter. WELNA: Another veteran of the Obama administration, however, is defending the Syria airstrike. Harold Koh is a Yale law professor who was the State Department's legal adviser during Obama's first term. Koh says a limited one-shot action like this should not be forbidden. HAROLD KOH: If you are rushing your spouse to a hospital to deliver a baby and you're trying to decide whether you can run a red light, you take that risk and hope that you're not going to be held liable after the fact. And that's essentially what they did last night. WELNA: Which is why Koh says there need to be exceptions in international law, as well. KOH: If the ban on the use of force in the U.N. Charter is absolute, unless there is a U.N. Security Council resolution, Russia or China could commit genocide against its own people indefinitely and veto resolutions against it, and nobody could do a thing about it. How can that be consistent with the purposes of the U.N.? WELNA: Trump could have also sought prior approval from Congress for last night's attack in the form of a new authorization for the use of military force or AUMF. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain says a new a new AUMF is needed but not right now. (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING) JOHN MCCAIN: We have to respect the role of the president as commander in chief. And I would be glad and will continue to engage in negotiations with my Democrat friends on a new AUMF, but I'm not ready for Congress to micromanage the commander in chief. WELNA: Georgetown's Lederman says Obama refused to order airstrikes against Syria's military because Congress would not agree to it. LEDERMAN: President Trump might have had much more success, either internationally or domestically with Republican Congress, at attaining such authorization. And one of the most important and, thus far, unanswered questions in this episode is why he did not even make any efforts to put this under stronger international law or domestic law footing? WELNA: A footing that many in Congress are now demanding. David Welna, NPR News, Washington. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cge at shout.net Tue May 9 16:17:39 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 11:17:39 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> Message-ID: AWARE will distribute the following flyer at the Champaign Art Theatre Tuesday, May 9, before the 7pm showing of the film "Sonita," part of THE SEVENTH ART STAND, the Theater's film series against Islamophobia & the #MuslimBan ["Two-time Sundance Film Festival award winner Sonita tells the inspiring story of Sonita Alizadeh, an 18-year-old Afghan refugee in Iran, who thinks of Michael Jackson and Rihanna as her spiritual parents and dreams of becoming a big-name rapper. For the time being, her only fans are the other teenage girls in a Tehran shelter. And her family has a very different future planned for her: as a bride she’s worth $9,000. Iranian director Rokhsareh Ghaem Maghami (Going Up the Stairs) poignantly shifts from observer to participant altering expectations, as Sonita’s story unfolds in this personal and joyful portrait. An intimate portrait of creativity and womanhood, Sonita highlights the rarely seen intricacies and shifting contrasts of Iranian society through the lens of an artist who is defining the next generation."] ================================== The U.S. is Illegally Making War in the Mideast Pres. Trump: Bring U.S. Troops and Weapons Home The U.S. military is today killing people in seven Mideast and African countries - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. Thousands of U.S. troops are fighting in these countries, although most Americans don’t know that. In addition, the 70,000-member U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ - American death squads - are active in three-quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping (‘rendition’), torture, and murder. [Map of Iran, surrounded by US military bases] The U.S. government says that we’re fighting terrorism, but we are in fact creating terrorists - in response particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. Since World War II ended in 1945, the U.S. has attempted to exercise military control over the Mideast and its energy resources. The U.S. doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia, and so control over them gives the U.S. a major advantage over China, Germany, and other countries - a chokehold which benefits only the American economic elite, the one percent. In 2003 the US illegally invaded Iraq - and killed perhaps a million people for that purpose - and now has thousands of troops and mercenaries throughout the Mideast. Those of us in AWARE, like other anti-war groups in the United States and around the world, call upon President Trump to ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, and human rights; ~ (2) end U.S. wars in the Mideast and war provocations against Russia (in Eastern Europe) and China (in the South China Sea), and stop the drone assassinations; ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); bring U.S. troops (and weapons) home; ~ (4) stop U.S. support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at : ~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast ~ Medicare for all ~ Universal basic income ~ ================================== From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 9 17:35:41 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 17:35:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NPR transcript with Lederman/Koh In-Reply-To: <610C15AA-FE4A-4ECB-97D0-F1EB499BAA10@illinois.edu> References: <2124123146.5406024.1494343415895.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2124123146.5406024.1494343415895@mail.yahoo.com> <610C15AA-FE4A-4ECB-97D0-F1EB499BAA10@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Someone needs to tell Harold Killer Koh, that his example of running a red light because your wife is having a baby, a real emergency that one, says the woman who had two emergency C-sections. Never mind the potential killing and disabling of maybe four people in another car, or a pedestrian, perhaps another woman with a baby or five kids at home. A selfish act promoted by Hollywood films for decades. We’re speaking of the same people, who think slaughtering thousands in an effort to control their resources is not a selfish act either. Here is a typical propaganda narrative that we see everywhere: When the United States carries out an attack on another nation, as it did last night on an air base in Syria, there is usually a legal justification to back it up. Really? Was there a legal justification for US attacks on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.,etc? There was a lot of propaganda supporting those attacks, but legal justification? On May 9, 2017, at 09:10, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss > wrote: How vile can these characters get? On May 9, 2017, at 10:23 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST: When the United States carries out an attack on another nation, as it did last night on an air base in Syria, there is usually a legal justification to back it up. Not this time, at least the Trump administration has offered none so far. With no prior blessing from either the United Nations or Congress, many are asking whether the attack on Syria broke the law. NPR's David Welna has the story. DAVID WELNA, BYLINE: One thing you cannot say about the Tomahawk missile attack of that Syrian air base, that the Trump administration did not warn it was coming. At the United Nations yesterday, U.S. ambassador Nikki Haley told her colleagues that when the international community fails to act collectively against the indiscriminate use of chemical weapons, nation states may act alone. Today, Haley sought to justify last night's airstrikes. (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING) NIKKI HALEY: The United States will not stand by when chemical weapons are used. It is in our vital national security interests to prevent the spread and use of chemical weapons. WELNA: But Georgetown law professor Marty Lederman, who served in the Obama Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, says the U.S. has veered outside international law under Article 2 of the United Nations Charter. He says the state cannot use force within the territory of another state without that state's consent. MARTY LEDERMAN: There are one or two exceptions to the norm. One is if it's an act of inherent self-defense. That's not at issue here. Another would be if the U.N. Security Council had approved it. That also has not happened here. And so there does not appear that there is any argument, at least none that we've heard yet, why this action would not breach the United Nations Charter. WELNA: Another veteran of the Obama administration, however, is defending the Syria airstrike. Harold Koh is a Yale law professor who was the State Department's legal adviser during Obama's first term. Koh says a limited one-shot action like this should not be forbidden. HAROLD KOH: If you are rushing your spouse to a hospital to deliver a baby and you're trying to decide whether you can run a red light, you take that risk and hope that you're not going to be held liable after the fact. And that's essentially what they did last night. WELNA: Which is why Koh says there need to be exceptions in international law, as well. KOH: If the ban on the use of force in the U.N. Charter is absolute, unless there is a U.N. Security Council resolution, Russia or China could commit genocide against its own people indefinitely and veto resolutions against it, and nobody could do a thing about it. How can that be consistent with the purposes of the U.N.? WELNA: Trump could have also sought prior approval from Congress for last night's attack in the form of a new authorization for the use of military force or AUMF. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain says a new a new AUMF is needed but not right now. (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING) JOHN MCCAIN: We have to respect the role of the president as commander in chief. And I would be glad and will continue to engage in negotiations with my Democrat friends on a new AUMF, but I'm not ready for Congress to micromanage the commander in chief. WELNA: Georgetown's Lederman says Obama refused to order airstrikes against Syria's military because Congress would not agree to it. LEDERMAN: President Trump might have had much more success, either internationally or domestically with Republican Congress, at attaining such authorization. And one of the most important and, thus far, unanswered questions in this episode is why he did not even make any efforts to put this under stronger international law or domestic law footing? WELNA: A footing that many in Congress are now demanding. 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Never mind the potential killing and disabling of maybe four people in another car, or a pedestrian, perhaps another woman with a baby or five kids at home. A selfish act promoted by Hollywood films for decades.  We’re speaking of the same people, who think slaughtering thousands in an effort to control their resources is not a selfish act either. Here is a typical propaganda narrative that we see everywhere: When the United States carries out an attack on another nation, as it did last night on an air base in Syria, there is usually a legal justification to back it up. Really? Was there a legal justification for US attacks on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.,etc? There was a lot of propaganda supporting those attacks, but legal justification? On May 9, 2017, at 09:10, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss wrote: How vile can these characters get? On May 9, 2017, at 10:23 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:When the United States carries out an attack on another nation, as it did last night on an air base in Syria, there is usually a legal justification to back it up. Not this time, at least the Trump administration has offered none so far. With no prior blessing from either the United Nations or Congress, many are asking whether the attack on Syria broke the law. NPR's David Welna has the story.DAVID WELNA, BYLINE: One thing you cannot say about the Tomahawk missile attack of that Syrian air base, that the Trump administration did not warn it was coming. At the United Nations yesterday, U.S. ambassador Nikki Haley told her colleagues that when the international community fails to act collectively against the indiscriminate use of chemical weapons, nation states may act alone. Today, Haley sought to justify last night's airstrikes.(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)NIKKI HALEY: The United States will not stand by when chemical weapons are used. It is in our vital national security interests to prevent the spread and use of chemical weapons.WELNA: But Georgetown law professor Marty Lederman, who served in the Obama Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, says the U.S. has veered outside international law under Article 2 of the United Nations Charter. He says the state cannot use force within the territory of another state without that state's consent.MARTY LEDERMAN: There are one or two exceptions to the norm. One is if it's an act of inherent self-defense. That's not at issue here. Another would be if the U.N. Security Council had approved it. That also has not happened here. And so there does not appear that there is any argument, at least none that we've heard yet, why this action would not breach the United Nations Charter.WELNA: Another veteran of the Obama administration, however, is defending the Syria airstrike. Harold Koh is a Yale law professor who was the State Department's legal adviser during Obama's first term. Koh says a limited one-shot action like this should not be forbidden.HAROLD KOH: If you are rushing your spouse to a hospital to deliver a baby and you're trying to decide whether you can run a red light, you take that risk and hope that you're not going to be held liable after the fact. And that's essentially what they did last night.WELNA: Which is why Koh says there need to be exceptions in international law, as well.KOH: If the ban on the use of force in the U.N. Charter is absolute, unless there is a U.N. Security Council resolution, Russia or China could commit genocide against its own people indefinitely and veto resolutions against it, and nobody could do a thing about it. How can that be consistent with the purposes of the U.N.?WELNA: Trump could have also sought prior approval from Congress for last night's attack in the form of a new authorization for the use of military force or AUMF. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain says a new a new AUMF is needed but not right now.(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)JOHN MCCAIN: We have to respect the role of the president as commander in chief. And I would be glad and will continue to engage in negotiations with my Democrat friends on a new AUMF, but I'm not ready for Congress to micromanage the commander in chief.WELNA: Georgetown's Lederman says Obama refused to order airstrikes against Syria's military because Congress would not agree to it.LEDERMAN: President Trump might have had much more success, either internationally or domestically with Republican Congress, at attaining such authorization. And one of the most important and, thus far, unanswered questions in this episode is why he did not even make any efforts to put this under stronger international law or domestic law footing?WELNA: A footing that many in Congress are now demanding. 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Georgetown Law December 1976 Right out of HLS Looking for a job So the path took me To Georgetown Law 2 days of interviews Seemed to go alright Then ushered in to meet Dean Butch Fisher Who bragged about being The youngest legal advisor In the history of the State Department 36 Not impressed But would play the game Mr Boyle The Faculty would like to hire you But we believe you need More seasoning Salt or pepper, I wondered We would like you to go work For DOS Legal Advisor for 4 or 5 years And then we will hire you Are you f-ing serious Sell my soul After State just spent The past 15 years Committing genocide in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos Exterminating upwards of 3 million human beings Murdering 58,000 of my generation Some of whom were friends Are you f-ing serious Dean Butch Who do you think you're dealing with I politely declined and came here Back then ranked the same as Georgetown Law So I came out alright But not to have the taint Of the State Department After my name Where things have never changed Murder, death, destruction, invasions Assassinations, drones, genocide Harold Koh fit right in like a glove Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 9:43 AM To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: FW: NYT: Murdering Marty Lederman of Georgetown Law on Syria Attack Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 9 20:07:16 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 20:07:16 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NPR transcript with Lederman/Koh In-Reply-To: <1874648009.1716988.1494357681166@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2124123146.5406024.1494343415895.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2124123146.5406024.1494343415895@mail.yahoo.com> <610C15AA-FE4A-4ECB-97D0-F1EB499BAA10@illinois.edu> <1874648009.1716988.1494357681166@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In Bangkok when ambulances with their sirens blaring were stopped in traffic, with little notice by other cars, I was at first horrified that people weren’t taking notice. Over the years I watched films with police chases whereby all that mattered was the goal of the “police” to catch the bad guy, at everyones expense, with pedestrians, shop keepers, all being mere “collateral damage.” Then I began to recognize the manipulation of audiences to the narcissism of the “elites,” or “stars” or whoever was the central figure in the film. Yes, the young mother of two who was killed by an ISP officer in Decatur, which you wrote about last year, David, is a prime example of this manipulation by the powers that be, to the concept of narcissism and the resultant “collateral damage.” At the U of I COL discussion over a year ago, in relation to “The Legitimacy of Targeted Killing.” I was again an audience to the view of people being “collateral damage” when we target one person against all laws, for execution without due process. All others killed in the process are “yes, isn’t that awful, sigh, too bad, but you know “collateral damage.” This is the thinking of the Harold K. Koh’s and all those in power. The idea that some lives are worth more than others is played out daily on the streets of America, across the Middle East and North Africa by our bombs, weapons, and sheer callousness. As Mort asked earlier, “how vile can these characters get?” I have to respond, it just keeps getting worse every day, until the people throw off the shackles of manipulation by the mainstream media and lies of government. On May 9, 2017, at 12:21, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: It was almost exactly one year ago that a young mother of two was killed by an ISP officer in Decatur on a 100 mph chase on city streets to apprehend a disturbed man who had shot at a police officer in Mahomet and was fleeing on the interstate miles away. On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 12:35 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: Someone needs to tell Harold Killer Koh, that his example of running a red light because your wife is having a baby, a real emergency that one, says the woman who had two emergency C-sections. Never mind the potential killing and disabling of maybe four people in another car, or a pedestrian, perhaps another woman with a baby or five kids at home. A selfish act promoted by Hollywood films for decades. We’re speaking of the same people, who think slaughtering thousands in an effort to control their resources is not a selfish act either. Here is a typical propaganda narrative that we see everywhere: When the United States carries out an attack on another nation, as it did last night on an air base in Syria, there is usually a legal justification to back it up. Really? Was there a legal justification for US attacks on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.,etc? There was a lot of propaganda supporting those attacks, but legal justification? On May 9, 2017, at 09:10, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss > wrote: How vile can these characters get? On May 9, 2017, at 10:23 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST: When the United States carries out an attack on another nation, as it did last night on an air base in Syria, there is usually a legal justification to back it up. Not this time, at least the Trump administration has offered none so far. With no prior blessing from either the United Nations or Congress, many are asking whether the attack on Syria broke the law. NPR's David Welna has the story. DAVID WELNA, BYLINE: One thing you cannot say about the Tomahawk missile attack of that Syrian air base, that the Trump administration did not warn it was coming. At the United Nations yesterday, U.S. ambassador Nikki Haley told her colleagues that when the international community fails to act collectively against the indiscriminate use of chemical weapons, nation states may act alone. Today, Haley sought to justify last night's airstrikes. (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING) NIKKI HALEY: The United States will not stand by when chemical weapons are used. It is in our vital national security interests to prevent the spread and use of chemical weapons. WELNA: But Georgetown law professor Marty Lederman, who served in the Obama Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, says the U.S. has veered outside international law under Article 2 of the United Nations Charter. He says the state cannot use force within the territory of another state without that state's consent. MARTY LEDERMAN: There are one or two exceptions to the norm. One is if it's an act of inherent self-defense. That's not at issue here. Another would be if the U.N. Security Council had approved it. That also has not happened here. And so there does not appear that there is any argument, at least none that we've heard yet, why this action would not breach the United Nations Charter. WELNA: Another veteran of the Obama administration, however, is defending the Syria airstrike. Harold Koh is a Yale law professor who was the State Department's legal adviser during Obama's first term. Koh says a limited one-shot action like this should not be forbidden. HAROLD KOH: If you are rushing your spouse to a hospital to deliver a baby and you're trying to decide whether you can run a red light, you take that risk and hope that you're not going to be held liable after the fact. And that's essentially what they did last night. WELNA: Which is why Koh says there need to be exceptions in international law, as well. KOH: If the ban on the use of force in the U.N. Charter is absolute, unless there is a U.N. Security Council resolution, Russia or China could commit genocide against its own people indefinitely and veto resolutions against it, and nobody could do a thing about it. How can that be consistent with the purposes of the U.N.? WELNA: Trump could have also sought prior approval from Congress for last night's attack in the form of a new authorization for the use of military force or AUMF. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain says a new a new AUMF is needed but not right now. (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING) JOHN MCCAIN: We have to respect the role of the president as commander in chief. And I would be glad and will continue to engage in negotiations with my Democrat friends on a new AUMF, but I'm not ready for Congress to micromanage the commander in chief. WELNA: Georgetown's Lederman says Obama refused to order airstrikes against Syria's military because Congress would not agree to it. LEDERMAN: President Trump might have had much more success, either internationally or domestically with Republican Congress, at attaining such authorization. And one of the most important and, thus far, unanswered questions in this episode is why he did not even make any efforts to put this under stronger international law or domestic law footing? WELNA: A footing that many in Congress are now demanding. David Welna, NPR News, Washington. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 20:25:29 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Politicians In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60188B2F-9910-41DD-B3B1-D1B19B94AFF8@illinois.edu> https://harpers.org/archive/1982/08/the-tedium-twins/ > On May 9, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > "H.L. Mencken once said that a campaigning politician would cheerfully pronounce himself in favor of cannibalism if he thought it would gain votes. With all due respect to the Sage of Baltimore, his aphorism is now in need of revision. Today, the only way cannibalism could gain support would be if the cannibals hired a lobbyist, formed a political action committee, and began writing checks.” > > Mike Lofgren pg. 66 “The Deep State”. > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rogers told the committee that evidence points to the likelihood that Russia tried to help boost Trump over Clinton, but he could not sign off on that explanation because he didn’t believe enough evidence had been found to prove it. Cotton conceded most of that evidence was classified and could not be discussed in the hearing, but he pointed to campaign statements Trump had made about boosting defense spending and North American oil exploration. “None of those things seem to be favorable to the Kremlin,” Cotton said. “Did your agency take those things into account?” [7c833864-4d0b-496a-983f-8aa07df382a9.gif] Rogers said the NSA had considered those remarks, and then Cotton recited a litany of statements and actions hyped for years by conservative media that he suggested showed weakness by former President Barack Obama. “President Trump promised to reverse those policies, Secretary Clinton largely campaigned on continuity,” Cotton said. “That doesn’t sound to me something that the Kremlin would be happy about.” Rogers said the intelligence seemed clear that Russia preferred Trump, even if he couldn’t say with certainty that Putin worked on behalf of the Republican candidate. “Do you think, given that eight-year history of the Obama administration, that Russian intelligence and leadership felt emboldened to undertake the hacks of those e-mail systems and release them?” Cotton said. 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Again, everything is promoted as “the personal” rather than “the societal.” As Hannah Arendt pointed out, we do not exist in this world alone, we exist within a society, thus as a philosopher she preferred being referred to as a “political philosopher.” 13 Reasons Why 13 Reasons Why presents a reasonably accurate portrayal of life for high school students. This generation will live shorter lives, enjoy fewer job opportunities and experience more debt than their parents’ generation. American teenagers today have lived every day of their lives with the US carrying out bloody military operations in some corner of the globe. It is distressing but hardly incomprehensible that the overall suicide rate in the US has risen by 25 percent since 1999 for every age group under 75. One of the more shocking spikes has taken place among girls between the ages of 10 and 14, whose suicide rate has tripled over the last 15 years. The series is limited in its social critique, but there is a definite acknowledgment of forces greater than the characters’ immediate circumstances. At one point, Hannah’s parents consider using her college savings to pay the bills for their struggling small business, which has been unable to compete with the new corporate “megaplex.” Another scene shows the school system failing to help Hannah during a last-ditch visit to the guidance counselor. In a secondary strand of the drama, school officials are preoccupied with covering up any wrongdoing in Hannah’s death for fear of a lawsuit and loss of funding. The show’s makers seem themselves at a loss as to whom to blame. There is a recognition that something is seriously wrong. Hints and suggestions are dropped: Economic hardship? Some misguided or perverse ideology? Failing institutions? Yet nothing concrete is said. Instead, the audience is left with the meager and futile message that we all must be nicer to one another. A great Marxist, Leon Trotsky, once noted that, “fortunately,” even under the most dire economic conditions, only a tiny percentage of the population were driven to ending their own lives. “But peoples never resort to suicide,” he pointed out. “When their burdens are intolerable they seek a way out through revolution.” -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed May 10 16:24:03 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 11:24:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Take a Flyer on the Market Message-ID: AWARE has a selection of our recent flyers to put on the table at Saturday's Farmers’ Market. Which one is the best to thrust into people’s hands? I’ll make more of those. From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed May 10 18:33:47 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 18:33:47 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Take a Flyer on the Market In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All of them. Iran, and Yemen. We need more of the Egypt ones I distributed last week at the Art Theatre, for those who care, about Egypt. “Veterans Against War “is good for everyone, and we should have copies of those available at all times. The one in relation to “No War with China,” is important, as well as those we have from the past related to Russia. Do we have one related to North Korea? An explanation of the politics behind that one might be good. By that one, I’m referring to “US provocations in Asia, and the placement of THAAD in S. Korea. The flyer in relation to “AWARE” who we are, and what we stand for, is important at times, and should always be available. I will go through my stash of flyers later today and let you know, but the above are the most recent which come to mind. > On May 10, 2017, at 09:24, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: > > AWARE has a selection of our recent flyers to put on the table at Saturday's Farmers’ Market. > > Which one is the best to thrust into people’s hands? I’ll make more of those. > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From cge at shout.net Wed May 10 22:00:49 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 17:00:49 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Comey-dian... In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> Message-ID: [John Steppling] "I keep reading postings about how Trump firing the head of the FBI is an assault on democracy, or the American way of life, or something. The front page of the Huffington Post is hysterical with cries for the need to investigate Russian hacking. I have had three friends (sic) refuse to discuss this with me when I questioned their sanity in believing the russian hacking narrative. Not argue it...but refuse to argue it. Not one, but three. There is no evidence of anything out of the ordinary here. If there were, trust me we would have heard about it by now. "So what I take from this is that the white establishment....to which the aforementioned friends belong, really, is in crises. If Obama had fired the head of the FBI what would the reaction have been? (the answer is nothing.) "But how is the US/Saudi assault on a defenceless Yemen not an assault on Democracy? I mean congress didnt authorize it did they? Or how is the orgy of state murder in Arkansas...including the suppression of new evidence that might have exonerated one of the men executed.....how is that not an assault on Democracy? How is the illegal assassination of Qadaffi not an assault on Democracy or the coup orchestrated by Clinton as secretary of state in Ukraine not an assault on Democracy? How is the coup in Honduras or the current attacks on Venezuela not ....well...you get the idea. How is the war on Syria.....and it is ON SYRIA.....how is that not cause for outrage? None of these things matter to liberal America. Dead Arab children....pshaw...can't be bothered. The execution of mentally impaired men, from the underclass, denied adequate representation....meh, cant be bothered. BUT....but when Trump fires the head of a notoriously corrupt organ of surveillance and arrest and worse.....an organization founded to quell dissent and rid the nation of commies and minority troublemakers......how am I supposed to care exactly?" --CGE From mickalideh at gmail.com Wed May 10 23:22:54 2017 From: mickalideh at gmail.com (Harry Mickalide) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 18:22:54 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> Message-ID: It still seems weird to me that AWARE is willing to engage in the long-term work of education, but will not support Black Students for Revolution or Project1000 doing concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work on campus. On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:17 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > AWARE will distribute the following flyer at the Champaign Art Theatre > Tuesday, May 9, before the 7pm showing of the film "Sonita," part of THE > SEVENTH ART STAND, the Theater's film series against Islamophobia & the > #MuslimBan > > ["Two-time Sundance Film Festival award winner Sonita tells the inspiring > story of Sonita Alizadeh, an 18-year-old Afghan refugee in Iran, who thinks > of Michael Jackson and Rihanna as her spiritual parents and dreams of > becoming a big-name rapper. For the time being, her only fans are the other > teenage girls in a Tehran shelter. And her family has a very different > future planned for her: as a bride she’s worth $9,000. Iranian director > Rokhsareh Ghaem Maghami (Going Up the Stairs) poignantly shifts from > observer to participant altering expectations, as Sonita’s story unfolds in > this personal and joyful portrait. An intimate portrait of creativity and > womanhood, Sonita highlights the rarely seen intricacies and shifting > contrasts of Iranian society through the lens of an artist who is defining > the next generation."] > > ================================== > The U.S. is Illegally Making War in the Mideast > Pres. Trump: Bring U.S. Troops and Weapons Home > > The U.S. military is today killing people in seven Mideast and African > countries - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. > Thousands of U.S. troops are fighting in these countries, although most > Americans don’t know that. In addition, the 70,000-member U.S. ‘Special > Operations Command’ - American death squads - are active in three-quarters > of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping > (‘rendition’), torture, and murder. > > [Map of Iran, surrounded by US military bases] > > The U.S. government says that we’re fighting terrorism, but we are in fact > creating terrorists - in response particularly to the drone assassinations, > “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed > more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > > Since World War II ended in 1945, the U.S. has attempted to exercise > military control over the Mideast and its energy resources. The U.S. > doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by > America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia, and so control over them > gives the U.S. a major advantage over China, Germany, and other countries - > a chokehold which benefits only the American economic elite, the one > percent. In 2003 the US illegally invaded Iraq - and killed perhaps a > million people for that purpose - and now has thousands of troops and > mercenaries throughout the Mideast. > > Those of us in AWARE, like other anti-war groups in the United States and > around the world, call upon President Trump to > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, > and human rights; > ~ (2) end U.S. wars in the Mideast and war provocations against Russia (in > Eastern Europe) and China (in the South China Sea), and stop the drone > assassinations; > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 > foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); > bring U.S. troops (and weapons) home; > ~ (4) stop U.S. support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi > Arabia; and > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. > > ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at > : > ~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast > ~ Medicare for all ~ Universal basic income ~ > ================================== > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mickalideh at gmail.com Wed May 10 23:26:13 2017 From: mickalideh at gmail.com (Harry Mickalide) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 18:26:13 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> Message-ID: Like, we in AWARE want to distribute power more evenly across the world, but we are unwilling to support the students trying to seize power and democratize our own university. On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Harry Mickalide wrote: > It still seems weird to me that AWARE is willing to engage in the > long-term work of education, but will not support Black Students for > Revolution or Project1000 doing concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work > on campus. > > On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:17 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> AWARE will distribute the following flyer at the Champaign Art Theatre >> Tuesday, May 9, before the 7pm showing of the film "Sonita," part of THE >> SEVENTH ART STAND, the Theater's film series against Islamophobia & the >> #MuslimBan >> >> ["Two-time Sundance Film Festival award winner Sonita tells the inspiring >> story of Sonita Alizadeh, an 18-year-old Afghan refugee in Iran, who thinks >> of Michael Jackson and Rihanna as her spiritual parents and dreams of >> becoming a big-name rapper. For the time being, her only fans are the other >> teenage girls in a Tehran shelter. And her family has a very different >> future planned for her: as a bride she’s worth $9,000. Iranian director >> Rokhsareh Ghaem Maghami (Going Up the Stairs) poignantly shifts from >> observer to participant altering expectations, as Sonita’s story unfolds in >> this personal and joyful portrait. An intimate portrait of creativity and >> womanhood, Sonita highlights the rarely seen intricacies and shifting >> contrasts of Iranian society through the lens of an artist who is defining >> the next generation."] >> >> ================================== >> The U.S. is Illegally Making War in the Mideast >> Pres. Trump: Bring U.S. Troops and Weapons Home >> >> The U.S. military is today killing people in seven Mideast and African >> countries - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. >> Thousands of U.S. troops are fighting in these countries, although most >> Americans don’t know that. In addition, the 70,000-member U.S. ‘Special >> Operations Command’ - American death squads - are active in three-quarters >> of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping >> (‘rendition’), torture, and murder. >> >> [Map of Iran, surrounded by US military bases] >> >> The U.S. government says that we’re fighting terrorism, but we are in >> fact creating terrorists - in response particularly to the drone >> assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - >> which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and >> hundreds of children. >> >> Since World War II ended in 1945, the U.S. has attempted to exercise >> military control over the Mideast and its energy resources. The U.S. >> doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by >> America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia, and so control over them >> gives the U.S. a major advantage over China, Germany, and other countries - >> a chokehold which benefits only the American economic elite, the one >> percent. In 2003 the US illegally invaded Iraq - and killed perhaps a >> million people for that purpose - and now has thousands of troops and >> mercenaries throughout the Mideast. >> >> Those of us in AWARE, like other anti-war groups in the United States and >> around the world, call upon President Trump to >> ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, >> and human rights; >> ~ (2) end U.S. wars in the Mideast and war provocations against Russia >> (in Eastern Europe) and China (in the South China Sea), and stop the drone >> assassinations; >> ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 >> foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); >> bring U.S. troops (and weapons) home; >> ~ (4) stop U.S. support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and >> Saudi Arabia; and >> ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. >> >> ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at >> : >> ~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast >> ~ Medicare for all ~ Universal basic income ~ >> ================================== >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 11 02:18:30 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 21:18:30 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> Message-ID: <19D31995-628F-42C0-BC1C-205F0E09A25A@illinois.edu> Harry— It would be helpful to members and friends of AWARE (‘Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort’) - and others - if you would set out (1) what the "concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work on campus” being done by Black Students for Revolution or Project1000 consists of; and (2) what "support the students trying to seize power and democratize our own university” are asking for. Regards, Carl > On May 10, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Like, we in AWARE want to distribute power more evenly across the world, but we are unwilling to support the students trying to seize power and democratize our own university. > > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: > It still seems weird to me that AWARE is willing to engage in the long-term work of education, but will not support Black Students for Revolution or Project1000 doing concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work on campus. > > On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:17 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: > AWARE will distribute the following flyer at the Champaign Art Theatre Tuesday, May 9, before the 7pm showing of the film "Sonita," part of THE SEVENTH ART STAND, the Theater's film series against Islamophobia & the #MuslimBan > > ["Two-time Sundance Film Festival award winner Sonita tells the inspiring story of Sonita Alizadeh, an 18-year-old Afghan refugee in Iran, who thinks of Michael Jackson and Rihanna as her spiritual parents and dreams of becoming a big-name rapper. For the time being, her only fans are the other teenage girls in a Tehran shelter. And her family has a very different future planned for her: as a bride she’s worth $9,000. Iranian director Rokhsareh Ghaem Maghami (Going Up the Stairs) poignantly shifts from observer to participant altering expectations, as Sonita’s story unfolds in this personal and joyful portrait. An intimate portrait of creativity and womanhood, Sonita highlights the rarely seen intricacies and shifting contrasts of Iranian society through the lens of an artist who is defining the next generation."] > > ================================== > The U.S. is Illegally Making War in the Mideast > Pres. Trump: Bring U.S. Troops and Weapons Home > > The U.S. military is today killing people in seven Mideast and African countries - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. Thousands of U.S. troops are fighting in these countries, although most Americans don’t know that. In addition, the 70,000-member U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ - American death squads - are active in three-quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping (‘rendition’), torture, and murder. > > [Map of Iran, surrounded by US military bases] > > The U.S. government says that we’re fighting terrorism, but we are in fact creating terrorists - in response particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > > Since World War II ended in 1945, the U.S. has attempted to exercise military control over the Mideast and its energy resources. The U.S. doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia, and so control over them gives the U.S. a major advantage over China, Germany, and other countries - a chokehold which benefits only the American economic elite, the one percent. In 2003 the US illegally invaded Iraq - and killed perhaps a million people for that purpose - and now has thousands of troops and mercenaries throughout the Mideast. > > Those of us in AWARE, like other anti-war groups in the United States and around the world, call upon President Trump to > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, and human rights; > ~ (2) end U.S. wars in the Mideast and war provocations against Russia (in Eastern Europe) and China (in the South China Sea), and stop the drone assassinations; > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); bring U.S. troops (and weapons) home; > ~ (4) stop U.S. support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. > > ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at > : > ~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast > ~ Medicare for all ~ Universal basic income ~ > ================================== > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Thu May 11 03:46:54 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 22:46:54 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm Message-ID: Amen, Harry.Amen, Project1000Amen, Black Students for Revolution -karen medinaAWARE member Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss Date: 5/10/17 18:26 (GMT-06:00) To: "C. G. Estabrook" Cc: Peace List , Peace-discuss List , prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm Like, we in AWARE want to distribute power more evenly across the world, but we are unwilling to support the students trying to seize power and democratize our own university. On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Harry Mickalide wrote: It still seems weird to me that AWARE is willing to engage in the long-term work of education, but will not support Black Students for Revolution or Project1000 doing concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work on campus. On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:17 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: AWARE will distribute the following flyer at the Champaign Art Theatre Tuesday, May 9, before the 7pm showing of the film "Sonita," part of THE SEVENTH ART STAND, the Theater's film series against Islamophobia & the #MuslimBan ["Two-time Sundance Film Festival award winner Sonita tells the inspiring story of Sonita Alizadeh, an 18-year-old Afghan refugee in Iran, who thinks of Michael Jackson and Rihanna as her spiritual parents and dreams of becoming a big-name rapper. For the time being, her only fans are the other teenage girls in a Tehran shelter. And her family has a very different future planned for her: as a bride she’s worth $9,000. Iranian director Rokhsareh Ghaem Maghami (Going Up the Stairs) poignantly shifts from observer to participant altering expectations, as Sonita’s story unfolds in this personal and joyful portrait. An intimate portrait of creativity and womanhood, Sonita highlights the rarely seen intricacies and shifting contrasts of Iranian society through the lens of an artist who is defining the next generation."] ================================== The U.S. is Illegally Making War in the Mideast Pres. Trump: Bring U.S. Troops and Weapons Home The U.S. military is today killing people in seven Mideast and African countries - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. Thousands of U.S. troops are fighting in these countries, although most Americans don’t know that. In addition, the 70,000-member U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ - American death squads - are active in three-quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping (‘rendition’), torture, and murder. [Map of Iran, surrounded by US military bases] The U.S. government says that we’re fighting terrorism, but we are in fact creating terrorists - in response particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. Since World War II ended in 1945, the U.S. has attempted to exercise military control over the Mideast and its energy resources. The U.S. doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia, and so control over them gives the U.S. a major advantage over China, Germany, and other countries - a chokehold which benefits only the American economic elite, the one percent. In 2003 the US illegally invaded Iraq - and killed perhaps a million people for that purpose - and now has thousands of troops and mercenaries throughout the Mideast. Those of us in AWARE, like other anti-war groups in the United States and around the world, call upon President Trump to ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, and human rights; ~ (2) end U.S. wars in the Mideast and war provocations against Russia (in Eastern Europe) and China (in the South China Sea), and stop the drone assassinations; ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); bring U.S. troops (and weapons) home; ~ (4) stop U.S. support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at : ~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast ~ Medicare for all ~ Universal basic income ~ ================================== _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Thu May 11 03:54:07 2017 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 22:54:07 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> Message-ID: <3ee32a18-0516-a316-6f28-5aa4e25c17e0@gmail.com> Well - I was happy to be among the supportive people when the Black United Front bravely spoke to the Board of Trustees to put forward their demands. And though I wasn't able to be there when the faculty senate considered the #Project1000 proposal, I did spread the word on facebook that it was happening, and hope others who wouldn't otherwise have known about it might have attended that. And I consider myself part of AWARE. That said, yes, AWARE has generally not tried to live up to the Anti-Racism in its name, which is there thanks to the words chosen by Mark Enslin long ago. On 5/10/17 6:26 PM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss wrote: > Like, we in AWARE want to distribute power more evenly across the > world, but we are unwilling to support the students trying to seize > power and democratize our own university. > > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: > > It still seems weird to me that AWARE is willing to engage in the > long-term work of education, but will not support Black Students > for Revolution or Project1000 doing concrete anti-racist > anti-capitalist work on campus. > > On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:17 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace > > wrote: > > AWARE will distribute the following flyer at the Champaign Art > Theatre Tuesday, May 9, before the 7pm showing of the film > "Sonita," part of THE SEVENTH ART STAND, the Theater's film > series against Islamophobia & the #MuslimBan > > ["Two-time Sundance Film Festival award winner Sonita tells > the inspiring story of Sonita Alizadeh, an 18-year-old Afghan > refugee in Iran, who thinks of Michael Jackson and Rihanna as > her spiritual parents and dreams of becoming a big-name > rapper. For the time being, her only fans are the other > teenage girls in a Tehran shelter. And her family has a very > different future planned for her: as a bride she’s worth > $9,000. Iranian director Rokhsareh Ghaem Maghami (Going Up the > Stairs) poignantly shifts from observer to participant > altering expectations, as Sonita’s story unfolds in this > personal and joyful portrait. An intimate portrait of > creativity and womanhood, Sonita highlights the rarely seen > intricacies and shifting contrasts of Iranian society through > the lens of an artist who is defining the next generation."] > > ================================== > The U.S. is Illegally Making War in the Mideast > Pres. Trump: Bring U.S. Troops and Weapons Home > > The U.S. military is today killing people in seven Mideast and > African countries - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, > Somalia, and Pakistan. Thousands of U.S. troops are fighting > in these countries, although most Americans don’t know that. > In addition, the 70,000-member U.S. ‘Special Operations > Command’ - American death squads - are active in > three-quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities > include kidnapping (‘rendition’), torture, and murder. > > [Map of Iran, surrounded by US military bases] > > The U.S. government says that we’re fighting terrorism, but we > are in fact creating terrorists - in response particularly to > the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign > of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > > Since World War II ended in 1945, the U.S. has attempted to > exercise military control over the Mideast and its energy > resources. The U.S. doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but > Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic > competitors in Europe and Asia, and so control over them gives > the U.S. a major advantage over China, Germany, and other > countries - a chokehold which benefits only the American > economic elite, the one percent. In 2003 the US illegally > invaded Iraq - and killed perhaps a million people for that > purpose - and now has thousands of troops and mercenaries > throughout the Mideast. > > Those of us in AWARE, like other anti-war groups in the United > States and around the world, call upon President Trump to > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, > international law, and human rights; > ~ (2) end U.S. wars in the Mideast and war provocations > against Russia (in Eastern Europe) and China (in the South > China Sea), and stop the drone assassinations; > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more > than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has > more than twelve); bring U.S. troops (and weapons) home; > ~ (4) stop U.S. support for human rights abusers, notably > Israel and Saudi Arabia; and > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. > > ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at > : > ~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast > ~ Medicare for all ~ Universal basic income ~ > ================================== > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ESTABROOK" , prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net, Peace-discuss List Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm Harry— It would be helpful to members and friends of AWARE (‘Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort’) - and others - if you would set out  (1) what the "concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work on campus” being done by Black Students for Revolution or Project1000 consists of; and  (2) what "support the students trying to seize power and democratize our own university” are asking for. Regards, Carl  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 11 04:15:15 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 23:15:15 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AF4642D-553F-42BA-AFB4-A0A63B9D84BC@illinois.edu> I recall reading that. It seemed to me at the time susceptible to e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: >. AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. —CGE > On May 10, 2017, at 10:57 PM, kmedina67 wrote: > > Carl, > > You have seen a copy of the demands of the Students. Months ago. > > It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands. > -karen medina > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" > Date: 5/10/17 21:18 (GMT-06:00) > To: Harry Mickalide > Cc: peace , "C. G. ESTABROOK" , prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net, Peace-discuss List > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm > > Harry— > > It would be helpful to members and friends of AWARE (‘Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort’) - and others - if you would set out > > (1) what the "concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work on campus” being done by Black Students for Revolution or Project1000 consists of; and > > (2) what "support the students trying to seize power and democratize our own university” are asking for. > > Regards, Carl > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Thu May 11 04:36:38 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 04:36:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From "The Real News" a worthwhile article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2600401A-2B87-4430-852C-9BF8E46DA054@illinois.edu> Pretty good, but weak on the science, as, for example in the statement: The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. He lets his antiwar feelings mislead him on the science of global warming and what it is due to. —mkb On May 8, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: * Jobs * Log In Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 0 Comments By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions of people. Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on Earth Day? Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their stupidity of denial about climate change. The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and war are the number one threat to the Earth. There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable gadgets and grandstand. George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody that does not conform. Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally crushed by the police state. Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war movement. I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war. Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it possible for people to want to do something about climate change and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social services? During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, less safe, and less free. Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and popular socialist domestic programs? In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is part of the problem, not the solution. “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire mean more austerity at home. We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the war machine. Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed permanently. 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He lets his antiwar feelings mislead him on the science of global warming and what it is due to. —mkb On May 8, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: * Jobs * Log In Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 0 Comments By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions of people. Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on Earth Day? Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their stupidity of denial about climate change. The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and war are the number one threat to the Earth. There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable gadgets and grandstand. George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody that does not conform. Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally crushed by the police state. Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war movement. I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war. Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it possible for people to want to do something about climate change and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social services? During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, less safe, and less free. Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and popular socialist domestic programs? In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is part of the problem, not the solution. “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire mean more austerity at home. We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the war machine. Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed permanently. Is anybody listening to these scientists? _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Thu May 11 04:48:20 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 23:48:20 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm Message-ID: Point to items on their list of demands that are identity politics. -------- Original message --------From: "Carl G. Estabrook" Date: 5/10/17 23:15 (GMT-06:00) To: kmedina67 Cc: Harry Mickalide , peace , "C. G. ESTABROOK" , prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net, Peace-discuss List Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm I recall reading that. It seemed to me at the time susceptible to e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: . AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort.   —CGE   On May 10, 2017, at 10:57 PM, kmedina67 wrote: Carl,   You have seen a copy of the demands of the Students. Months ago. It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands.-karen medina Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" Date: 5/10/17 21:18 (GMT-06:00) To: Harry Mickalide Cc: peace , "C. G. ESTABROOK" , prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net, Peace-discuss List Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm Harry— It would be helpful to members and friends of AWARE (‘Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort’) - and others - if you would set out  (1) what the "concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work on campus” being done by Black Students for Revolution or Project1000 consists of; and  (2) what "support the students trying to seize power and democratize our own university” are asking for. Regards, Carl  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 11 05:02:10 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 00:02:10 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B97F573-46D6-4F75-A93B-A69C8F9C227D@illinois.edu> Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > On May 10, 2017, at 11:48 PM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > Point to items on their list of demands that are identity politics. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Carl G. Estabrook" > Date: 5/10/17 23:15 (GMT-06:00) > To: kmedina67 > Cc: Harry Mickalide , peace , "C. G. ESTABROOK" , prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net, Peace-discuss List > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm > > I recall reading that. It seemed to me at the time susceptible to e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: > > >. > > AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. > > We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. > > But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. > > —CGE > > >> On May 10, 2017, at 10:57 PM, kmedina67 > wrote: >> >> Carl, >> >> You have seen a copy of the demands of the Students. Months ago. >> >> It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands. >> -karen medina >> >> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" > >> Date: 5/10/17 21:18 (GMT-06:00) >> To: Harry Mickalide > >> Cc: peace >, "C. G. ESTABROOK" >, prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net , Peace-discuss List > >> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm >> >> Harry— >> >> It would be helpful to members and friends of AWARE (‘Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort’) - and others - if you would set out >> >> (1) what the "concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work on campus” being done by Black Students for Revolution or Project1000 consists of; and >> >> (2) what "support the students trying to seize power and democratize our own university” are asking for. >> >> Regards, Carl >> > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 11 05:27:38 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 00:27:38 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: <3ee32a18-0516-a316-6f28-5aa4e25c17e0@gmail.com> References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <3ee32a18-0516-a316-6f28-5aa4e25c17e0@gmail.com> Message-ID: From the beginning, AWARE has been particularly concerned with the racism bound up with 21st-century US war-making, hence especially anti-Arab, anti-Iranian, and anti-Muslim (I know, I know) racism. The US government has used such racism overtly and covertly to justify its Mideast wars (See the argument between McMaster & Trump over “radical Islamic terrorism.") (The closest I came to a fight handing out anti-war flyers involved a purported veteran of Iraq who told me I didn't understand how evil the ‘hajjs’ were. That’s a derogatory term in the US military for Iraqis/muslims - from the Arabic for the pilgrimage to Mecca…) —CGE > On May 10, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Well - I was happy to be among the supportive people when the Black United Front bravely spoke to the Board of Trustees to put forward their demands. And though I wasn't able to be there when the faculty senate considered the #Project1000 proposal, I did spread the word on facebook that it was happening, and hope others who wouldn't otherwise have known about it might have attended that. And I consider myself part of AWARE. > > That said, yes, AWARE has generally not tried to live up to the Anti-Racism in its name, which is there thanks to the words chosen by Mark Enslin long ago. > > On 5/10/17 6:26 PM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss wrote: >> Like, we in AWARE want to distribute power more evenly across the world, but we are unwilling to support the students trying to seize power and democratize our own university. >> >> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: >> It still seems weird to me that AWARE is willing to engage in the long-term work of education, but will not support Black Students for Revolution or Project1000 doing concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work on campus. >> >> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:17 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: >> AWARE will distribute the following flyer at the Champaign Art Theatre Tuesday, May 9, before the 7pm showing of the film "Sonita," part of THE SEVENTH ART STAND, the Theater's film series against Islamophobia & the #MuslimBan >> >> ["Two-time Sundance Film Festival award winner Sonita tells the inspiring story of Sonita Alizadeh, an 18-year-old Afghan refugee in Iran, who thinks of Michael Jackson and Rihanna as her spiritual parents and dreams of becoming a big-name rapper. For the time being, her only fans are the other teenage girls in a Tehran shelter. And her family has a very different future planned for her: as a bride she’s worth $9,000. Iranian director Rokhsareh Ghaem Maghami (Going Up the Stairs) poignantly shifts from observer to participant altering expectations, as Sonita’s story unfolds in this personal and joyful portrait. An intimate portrait of creativity and womanhood, Sonita highlights the rarely seen intricacies and shifting contrasts of Iranian society through the lens of an artist who is defining the next generation."] >> >> ================================== >> The U.S. is Illegally Making War in the Mideast >> Pres. Trump: Bring U.S. Troops and Weapons Home >> >> The U.S. military is today killing people in seven Mideast and African countries - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. Thousands of U.S. troops are fighting in these countries, although most Americans don’t know that. In addition, the 70,000-member U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ - American death squads - are active in three-quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping (‘rendition’), torture, and murder. >> >> [Map of Iran, surrounded by US military bases] >> >> The U.S. government says that we’re fighting terrorism, but we are in fact creating terrorists - in response particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. >> >> Since World War II ended in 1945, the U.S. has attempted to exercise military control over the Mideast and its energy resources. The U.S. doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia, and so control over them gives the U.S. a major advantage over China, Germany, and other countries - a chokehold which benefits only the American economic elite, the one percent. In 2003 the US illegally invaded Iraq - and killed perhaps a million people for that purpose - and now has thousands of troops and mercenaries throughout the Mideast. >> >> Those of us in AWARE, like other anti-war groups in the United States and around the world, call upon President Trump to >> ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, and human rights; >> ~ (2) end U.S. wars in the Mideast and war provocations against Russia (in Eastern Europe) and China (in the South China Sea), and stop the drone assassinations; >> ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); bring U.S. troops (and weapons) home; >> ~ (4) stop U.S. support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and >> ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. >> >> ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at >> : >> ~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast >> ~ Medicare for all ~ Universal basic income ~ >> ================================== >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 11 06:09:45 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 01:09:45 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: <3ee32a18-0516-a316-6f28-5aa4e25c17e0@gmail.com> References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <3ee32a18-0516-a316-6f28-5aa4e25c17e0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8DC18B27-81A8-45E3-9FD3-CA9BF87FD024@illinois.edu> A dozen years ago AWARE split - and was practically destroyed - over racism. A majority (probably) of the then rather large group insisted that presidential aspirant Barack Obama was an anti-war figure whom AWARE should support. A minority argued that he was a conventional politician who would duplicitously support the war. At least one prominent member of AWARE took the position that one couldn’t treat black politicians the same way one treated white politicians. He and most of the majority eventually left the group. I wrote about the matter at the time: >. —CGE > On May 10, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Well - I was happy to be among the supportive people when the Black United Front bravely spoke to the Board of Trustees to put forward their demands. And though I wasn't able to be there when the faculty senate considered the #Project1000 proposal, I did spread the word on facebook that it was happening, and hope others who wouldn't otherwise have known about it might have attended that. And I consider myself part of AWARE. > > That said, yes, AWARE has generally not tried to live up to the Anti-Racism in its name, which is there thanks to the words chosen by Mark Enslin long ago. > > On 5/10/17 6:26 PM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss wrote: >> Like, we in AWARE want to distribute power more evenly across the world, but we are unwilling to support the students trying to seize power and democratize our own university. >> >> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: >> It still seems weird to me that AWARE is willing to engage in the long-term work of education, but will not support Black Students for Revolution or Project1000 doing concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work on campus. >> >> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:17 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: >> AWARE will distribute the following flyer at the Champaign Art Theatre Tuesday, May 9, before the 7pm showing of the film "Sonita," part of THE SEVENTH ART STAND, the Theater's film series against Islamophobia & the #MuslimBan. […] >> >> ================================== >> The U.S. is Illegally Making War in the Mideast >> Pres. Trump: Bring U.S. Troops and Weapons Home >> >> The U.S. military is today killing people in seven Mideast and African countries - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. Thousands of U.S. troops are fighting in these countries, although most Americans don’t know that. In addition, the 70,000-member U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ - American death squads - are active in three-quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping (‘rendition’), torture, and murder. >> >> [Map of Iran, surrounded by US military bases] >> >> The U.S. government says that we’re fighting terrorism, but we are in fact creating terrorists - in response particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. >> >> Since World War II ended in 1945, the U.S. has attempted to exercise military control over the Mideast and its energy resources. The U.S. doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia, and so control over them gives the U.S. a major advantage over China, Germany, and other countries - a chokehold which benefits only the American economic elite, the one percent. In 2003 the US illegally invaded Iraq - and killed perhaps a million people for that purpose - and now has thousands of troops and mercenaries throughout the Mideast. >> >> Those of us in AWARE, like other anti-war groups in the United States and around the world, call upon President Trump to >> ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, and human rights; >> ~ (2) end U.S. wars in the Mideast and war provocations against Russia (in Eastern Europe) and China (in the South China Sea), and stop the drone assassinations; >> ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); bring U.S. troops (and weapons) home; >> ~ (4) stop U.S. support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and >> ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. >> >> ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at : >> ~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast ~ Medicare for all ~ Universal basic income ~ >> ================================== >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Thu May 11 08:17:21 2017 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 03:17:21 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: <0B97F573-46D6-4F75-A93B-A69C8F9C227D@illinois.edu> References: <0B97F573-46D6-4F75-A93B-A69C8F9C227D@illinois.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > Misplace your Google button again, Carl? *snicker* https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands > On May 10, 2017, at 11:48 PM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > Point to items on their list of demands that are identity politics. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Carl G. Estabrook" > Date: 5/10/17 23:15 (GMT-06:00) > To: kmedina67 > Cc: Harry Mickalide , peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net>, "C. G. ESTABROOK" , > prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net, Peace-discuss List < > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre > tonight 6-7pm > > I recall reading that. It seemed to me at the time susceptible to e.g. > Adolph Reed’s critique: > > . > > AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - > and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. > > We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to > do that as well. > > But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and > therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism > effort. > > —CGE > > > > On May 10, 2017, at 10:57 PM, kmedina67 wrote: > > Carl, > > You have seen a copy of the demands of the Students. Months ago. > > It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you > can Google their demands. > -karen medina > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" > Date: 5/10/17 21:18 (GMT-06:00) > To: Harry Mickalide > Cc: peace , "C. G. ESTABROOK" , > prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net, Peace-discuss List < > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre > tonight 6-7pm > > Harry— > > It would be helpful to members and friends of AWARE (‘Anti-War Anti-Racism > Effort’) - and others - if you would set out > > (1) what the "concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work on campus” being > done by Black Students for Revolution or Project1000 consists of; and > > (2) what "support the students trying to seize power and democratize our > own university” are asking for. > > Regards, Carl > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 11 11:24:56 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 11:24:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From "The Real News" a worthwhile article In-Reply-To: <2600401A-2B87-4430-852C-9BF8E46DA054@illinois.edu> References: <2600401A-2B87-4430-852C-9BF8E46DA054@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Mort Are you saying that he is wrong, the Pentagon isn’t the number one polluter of the Earth? On May 10, 2017, at 21:36, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Pretty good, but weak on the science, as, for example in the statement: The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. He lets his antiwar feelings mislead him on the science of global warming and what it is due to. —mkb On May 8, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: * Jobs * Log In Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 0 Comments By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions of people. Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on Earth Day? Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their stupidity of denial about climate change. The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and war are the number one threat to the Earth. There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable gadgets and grandstand. George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody that does not conform. Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally crushed by the police state. Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war movement. I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war. Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it possible for people to want to do something about climate change and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social services? During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, less safe, and less free. Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and popular socialist domestic programs? In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is part of the problem, not the solution. “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire mean more austerity at home. We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the war machine. Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed permanently. Is anybody listening to these scientists? _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 11 11:24:56 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 11:24:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From "The Real News" a worthwhile article In-Reply-To: <2600401A-2B87-4430-852C-9BF8E46DA054@illinois.edu> References: <2600401A-2B87-4430-852C-9BF8E46DA054@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Mort Are you saying that he is wrong, the Pentagon isn’t the number one polluter of the Earth? On May 10, 2017, at 21:36, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Pretty good, but weak on the science, as, for example in the statement: The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. He lets his antiwar feelings mislead him on the science of global warming and what it is due to. —mkb On May 8, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: * Jobs * Log In Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 0 Comments By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions of people. Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on Earth Day? Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their stupidity of denial about climate change. The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and war are the number one threat to the Earth. There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable gadgets and grandstand. George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody that does not conform. Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally crushed by the police state. Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war movement. I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war. Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it possible for people to want to do something about climate change and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social services? During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, less safe, and less free. Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and popular socialist domestic programs? In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is part of the problem, not the solution. “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire mean more austerity at home. We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the war machine. Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed permanently. Is anybody listening to these scientists? _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 11 12:03:06 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 07:03:06 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <0B97F573-46D6-4F75-A93B-A69C8F9C227D@illinois.edu> Message-ID: More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ feature on the Peace-discuss archives, John. This is from six months ago, re >: > ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). > See Adolph Reed's mordant description (expressed I admit in somewhat clotted prose): > > "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. > "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. > "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” >. > > It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) > It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. > >. > > AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. > And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. > > I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. Regards, Carl > On May 11, 2017, at 3:17 AM, John W. wrote: > > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: > > Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > > Misplace your Google button again, Carl? *snicker* > > https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands > > > >> On May 10, 2017, at 11:48 PM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> >> Point to items on their list of demands that are identity politics. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" > >> Date: 5/10/17 23:15 (GMT-06:00) >> To: kmedina67 > >> Cc: Harry Mickalide >, peace >, "C. G. ESTABROOK" >, prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net , Peace-discuss List > >> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm >> >> I recall reading that. It seemed to me at the time susceptible to e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: >> >> >. >> >> AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. >> >> We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. >> >> But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On May 10, 2017, at 10:57 PM, kmedina67 > wrote: >>> >>> Carl, >>> >>> You have seen a copy of the demands of the Students. Months ago. >>> >>> It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands. >>> -karen medina >>> >>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" > >>> Date: 5/10/17 21:18 (GMT-06:00) >>> To: Harry Mickalide > >>> Cc: peace >, "C. G. ESTABROOK" >, prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net , Peace-discuss List > >>> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm >>> >>> Harry— >>> >>> It would be helpful to members and friends of AWARE (‘Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort’) - and others - if you would set out >>> >>> (1) what the "concrete anti-racist anti-capitalist work on campus” being done by Black Students for Revolution or Project1000 consists of; and >>> >>> (2) what "support the students trying to seize power and democratize our own university” are asking for. >>> >>> Regards, Carl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Thu May 11 14:06:18 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 09:06:18 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm Message-ID: Carl, Google it. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: "Carl G. Estabrook"  Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > wrote: Point to items on their list that are identity politics -------- Original message -------- e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: . AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort.   —CGE Carl,   It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands.-karen medina -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 11 14:20:45 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 09:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. This is from six months ago, re >: > ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). > See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : > > "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. > "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. > "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” >. > > It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) > It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. > >. > > AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. > And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. > > I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. Regards, Carl > On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace wrote: > > > Carl, Google it. > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Carl G. Estabrook" > > Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > > >> > wrote: >> >> Point to items on their list that are identity politics >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: >> >> >. >> >> AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. >> >> We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. >> >> But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> >>> >>> Carl, >>> >>> It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands. >>> -karen medina >>> > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Thu May 11 15:02:31 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 15:02:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From "The Real News" a worthwhile article In-Reply-To: References: <2600401A-2B87-4430-852C-9BF8E46DA054@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <4688CA43-AD2A-4D86-9460-BFE90022A922@illinois.edu> Insofar as CO2 emissions and climate change, yes. On May 11, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: Mort Are you saying that he is wrong, the Pentagon isn’t the number one polluter of the Earth? On May 10, 2017, at 21:36, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Pretty good, but weak on the science, as, for example in the statement: The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. He lets his antiwar feelings mislead him on the science of global warming and what it is due to. —mkb On May 8, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: * Jobs * Log In Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 0 Comments By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions of people. Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on Earth Day? Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their stupidity of denial about climate change. The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and war are the number one threat to the Earth. There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable gadgets and grandstand. George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody that does not conform. Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally crushed by the police state. Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war movement. I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war. Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it possible for people to want to do something about climate change and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social services? During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, less safe, and less free. Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and popular socialist domestic programs? In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is part of the problem, not the solution. “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire mean more austerity at home. We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the war machine. Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed permanently. Is anybody listening to these scientists? _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Thu May 11 15:02:31 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 15:02:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From "The Real News" a worthwhile article In-Reply-To: References: <2600401A-2B87-4430-852C-9BF8E46DA054@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <4688CA43-AD2A-4D86-9460-BFE90022A922@illinois.edu> Insofar as CO2 emissions and climate change, yes. On May 11, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: Mort Are you saying that he is wrong, the Pentagon isn’t the number one polluter of the Earth? On May 10, 2017, at 21:36, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Pretty good, but weak on the science, as, for example in the statement: The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. He lets his antiwar feelings mislead him on the science of global warming and what it is due to. —mkb On May 8, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: * Jobs * Log In Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 0 Comments By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions of people. Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on Earth Day? Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their stupidity of denial about climate change. The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and war are the number one threat to the Earth. There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable gadgets and grandstand. George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody that does not conform. Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally crushed by the police state. Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war movement. I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war. Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it possible for people to want to do something about climate change and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social services? During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, less safe, and less free. Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and popular socialist domestic programs? In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is part of the problem, not the solution. “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire mean more austerity at home. We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the war machine. Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed permanently. Is anybody listening to these scientists? _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mickalideh at gmail.com Thu May 11 15:13:47 2017 From: mickalideh at gmail.com (Harry Mickalide) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 10:13:47 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands >From demand 1 "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." >From demand 8 "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." >From demand 13 They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary > organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, > Karen. > > This is from six months ago, re : > > ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and > provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). > See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : > > "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a > class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the > expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in > which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. > "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique > of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally > naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups > supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I > have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral > economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the > resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, > 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions > were LGBT people. > "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more > unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves > candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in > service to, the ruling class” reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/>. > > It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise > from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces > killers?) > It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class > conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since > WWII, we should be clear about causes. > in-37-nations-since-wwii/>. > > AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and > why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world > today. > And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur > says. > > I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. > —CGE > > > Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, > that still seems right to me. > > Regards, Carl > > > > On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: > > > Carl, Google it. > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Carl G. Estabrook" > > Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > > > > wrote: > > Point to items on their list that are identity politics > > -------- Original message -------- > e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: > > . > > AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - > and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. > > We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to > do that as well. > > But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and > therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism > effort. > > —CGE > > > > > Carl, > > It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you > can Google their demands. > -karen medina > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com Thu May 11 15:38:58 2017 From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 10:38:58 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <351518DF-262B-427F-BA42-B849F8942FE4@gmail.com> Well argued, Harry Deb Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace wrote: > > Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. > > Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. > https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands > > From demand 1 > "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." > > From demand 8 > "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." > > From demand 13 > They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." > > Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. > >> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >> More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. >> >> This is from six months ago, re : >> >>> ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). >>> See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : >>> >>> "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. >>> "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. >>> "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” . >>> >>> It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) >>> It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. >>> . >>> >>> AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. >>> And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. >>> >>> I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE >> >> Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. >> >> Regards, Carl >> >> >> >>> On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace wrote: >>> >>> >>> Carl, Google it. >>> >>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" >>> >>> Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) >>> >>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Point to items on their list that are identity politics >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. >>>> >>>> We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. >>>> >>>> But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. >>>> >>>> —CGE >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Carl, >>>>> >>>>> It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. 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As to signing on support for bsfruiuc, I thought we had, given Stuart, Karen Medina, David Johnson and I, once I had actually seen the website and “demands,” all supported this action. David Green and Carl did not express support as I recall, but AWARE does not require a consensus. I am especially pleased with #13 which is something AWARE has called for, and the inclusion of Myanmar is especially pleasing to me, given my past work with the Burmese Student activists, ABSDF, and the killings that the military government has perpetrated against their Muslim population, which is a “genocide”. I agree with everything Carl says in respect to “Identity Politics,” but I also believe that to build mass movements against the US government, the greatest purveyor of violence in the world, and all those in power functioning within our system of corporate capitalism, the U of I, being one, we need to support and unite with others who are fighting for their rights, as much as we possibly can. We need to do this without watering down or muting that which, like climate change, is the most destructive issue facing humanity today, war. So I am suggesting to my colleagues within AWARE that we support the Demands of the bsfr group at the U of I, as we continue our work related to “anti-war” and hope that some young people on campus will join us in this endeavor. On May 11, 2017, at 08:13, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss > wrote: Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands From demand 1 "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." From demand 8 "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." From demand 13 They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. This is from six months ago, re : ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” . It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. . AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: Carl, Google it. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Carl G. Estabrook" Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > wrote: Point to items on their list that are identity politics -------- Original message -------- e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: . AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. —CGE Carl, It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands. -karen medina _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 11 16:32:55 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 11:32:55 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> Harry— I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them. That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U. AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. Regards, Carl > On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide wrote: > > Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. > > Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. > https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands > > From demand 1 > "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." > > From demand 8 > "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." > > From demand 13 > They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." > > Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: > More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. > > This is from six months ago, re >: > >> ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). >> See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : >> >> "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. >> "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. >> "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” >. >> >> It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) >> It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. >> >. >> >> AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. >> And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. >> >> I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE > > Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. > > Regards, Carl > > > >> On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: >> >> >> Carl, Google it. >> >> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" >> >> Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) >> >> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Point to items on their list that are identity politics >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: >>> >>> >. >>> >>> AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. >>> >>> We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. >>> >>> But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Carl, >>>> >>>> It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands. >>>> -karen medina >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 11 16:37:28 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 16:37:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From "The Real News" a worthwhile article In-Reply-To: <4688CA43-AD2A-4D86-9460-BFE90022A922@illinois.edu> References: <2600401A-2B87-4430-852C-9BF8E46DA054@illinois.edu> <4688CA43-AD2A-4D86-9460-BFE90022A922@illinois.edu> Message-ID: So the science is wrong. Is it so far off that “climate change” deniers have a case to make in respect to the data? My purpose in posting this article from a website known and supported by some within AWARE is to point out the lack of “concern” across the nation, in respect to war. It is I believe a result of too many serious issues today. On May 11, 2017, at 08:02, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Insofar as CO2 emissions and climate change, yes. On May 11, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: Mort Are you saying that he is wrong, the Pentagon isn’t the number one polluter of the Earth? On May 10, 2017, at 21:36, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Pretty good, but weak on the science, as, for example in the statement: The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. He lets his antiwar feelings mislead him on the science of global warming and what it is due to. —mkb On May 8, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: * Jobs * Log In Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 0 Comments By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions of people. Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on Earth Day? Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their stupidity of denial about climate change. The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and war are the number one threat to the Earth. There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable gadgets and grandstand. George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody that does not conform. Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally crushed by the police state. Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war movement. I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war. Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it possible for people to want to do something about climate change and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social services? During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, less safe, and less free. Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and popular socialist domestic programs? In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is part of the problem, not the solution. “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire mean more austerity at home. We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the war machine. Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed permanently. Is anybody listening to these scientists? _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 11 16:37:28 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 16:37:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From "The Real News" a worthwhile article In-Reply-To: <4688CA43-AD2A-4D86-9460-BFE90022A922@illinois.edu> References: <2600401A-2B87-4430-852C-9BF8E46DA054@illinois.edu> <4688CA43-AD2A-4D86-9460-BFE90022A922@illinois.edu> Message-ID: So the science is wrong. Is it so far off that “climate change” deniers have a case to make in respect to the data? My purpose in posting this article from a website known and supported by some within AWARE is to point out the lack of “concern” across the nation, in respect to war. It is I believe a result of too many serious issues today. On May 11, 2017, at 08:02, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Insofar as CO2 emissions and climate change, yes. On May 11, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: Mort Are you saying that he is wrong, the Pentagon isn’t the number one polluter of the Earth? On May 10, 2017, at 21:36, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Pretty good, but weak on the science, as, for example in the statement: The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. He lets his antiwar feelings mislead him on the science of global warming and what it is due to. —mkb On May 8, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: * Jobs * Log In Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 0 Comments By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions of people. Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on Earth Day? Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their stupidity of denial about climate change. The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and war are the number one threat to the Earth. There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable gadgets and grandstand. George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody that does not conform. Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally crushed by the police state. Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war movement. I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war. Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it possible for people to want to do something about climate change and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social services? During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, less safe, and less free. Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and popular socialist domestic programs? In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is part of the problem, not the solution. “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire mean more austerity at home. We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the war machine. Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed permanently. Is anybody listening to these scientists? _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From salevy at illinois.edu Thu May 11 17:10:36 2017 From: salevy at illinois.edu (Stuart Levy) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 12:10:36 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From "The Real News" a worthwhile article In-Reply-To: References: <2600401A-2B87-4430-852C-9BF8E46DA054@illinois.edu> <4688CA43-AD2A-4D86-9460-BFE90022A922@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <0d0a96b6-19de-db86-44e6-3198bc923444@illinois.edu> (removing Peace from the Cc list, leaving peace-discuss) What I've heard identified as the largest aggregate contributor to CO2 emissions is not the DoD itself, but the DoD combined with the whole military industry. On 5/11/17 11:37 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > So the science is wrong. Is it so far off that “climate change” > deniers have a case to make in respect to the data? My purpose in > posting this article from a website known and supported by some within > AWARE is to point out the lack of “concern” across the nation, in > respect to war. It is I believe a result of too many serious issues > today. > > >> On May 11, 2017, at 08:02, Brussel, Morton K > > wrote: >> >> Insofar as CO2 emissions and climate change, yes. >> >>> On May 11, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Karen Aram >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mort >>> >>> Are you saying that he is wrong, the Pentagon isn’t the number one >>> polluter of the Earth? >>> >>> >>>> On May 10, 2017, at 21:36, Brussel, Morton K >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Pretty good, but weak on the science, as, for example in the >>>> statement: The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels >>>> and the number one polluter of the Earth. >>>> >>>> He lets his antiwar feelings mislead him on the science of global >>>> warming and what it is due to. >>>> >>>> —mkb >>>> >>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jobs >>>>> * Log In >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change >>>>> >>>>> FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 >>>>> 0 Comments >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 >>>>> >>>>> The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not >>>>> want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. >>>>> >>>>> The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a >>>>> complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA >>>>> has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of >>>>> rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions >>>>> of people. >>>>> >>>>> Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of >>>>> minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the >>>>> liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the >>>>> war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. >>>>> >>>>> I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. >>>>> Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The >>>>> Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number >>>>> one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on >>>>> Earth Day? >>>>> >>>>> Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The >>>>> liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and >>>>> Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck >>>>> in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their >>>>> stupidity of denial about climate change. >>>>> >>>>> The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by >>>>> omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The >>>>> Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and >>>>> every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards >>>>> nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. >>>>> >>>>> Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel >>>>> good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was >>>>> carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. >>>>> >>>>> Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be >>>>> mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and >>>>> students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus >>>>> activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but >>>>> scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and >>>>> war are the number one threat to the Earth. >>>>> >>>>> There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against >>>>> war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about >>>>> war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who >>>>> just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable >>>>> gadgets and grandstand. >>>>> >>>>> George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist >>>>> demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam >>>>> without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also >>>>> gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody >>>>> that does not conform. >>>>> >>>>> Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change >>>>> is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big >>>>> Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and >>>>> make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and >>>>> powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally >>>>> crushed by the police state. >>>>> >>>>> Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. >>>>> There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has >>>>> slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention >>>>> of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits >>>>> billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. >>>>> >>>>> There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in >>>>> the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No >>>>> discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass >>>>> starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by >>>>> scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. >>>>> >>>>> Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about >>>>> climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t >>>>> until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget >>>>> for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any >>>>> budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and >>>>> relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war >>>>> movement. >>>>> >>>>> I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I >>>>> belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is >>>>> an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought >>>>> after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a >>>>> good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown >>>>> St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception >>>>> was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. >>>>> >>>>> We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams >>>>> Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers >>>>> of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across >>>>> the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. >>>>> >>>>> Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked >>>>> through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a >>>>> freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told >>>>> that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was >>>>> supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the >>>>> continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. >>>>> >>>>> Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood >>>>> our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going >>>>> to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war >>>>> signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. >>>>> Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got >>>>> cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of >>>>> distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people >>>>> wanted any dialog about war. >>>>> >>>>> Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been >>>>> eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep >>>>> asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it >>>>> possible for people to want to do something about climate change >>>>> and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They >>>>> just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… >>>>> >>>>> The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as >>>>> conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the >>>>> best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in >>>>> the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; >>>>> and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. >>>>> >>>>> The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated >>>>> world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to >>>>> bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white >>>>> Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly >>>>> black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social >>>>> services? >>>>> >>>>> During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with >>>>> raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage >>>>> treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a >>>>> year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and >>>>> flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. >>>>> >>>>> What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all >>>>> over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be >>>>> going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, >>>>> poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the >>>>> economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war >>>>> profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, >>>>> Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, >>>>> less safe, and less free. >>>>> >>>>> Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic >>>>> economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the >>>>> socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even >>>>> Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. >>>>> >>>>> Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from >>>>> cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that >>>>> being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be >>>>> “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. >>>>> >>>>> If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did >>>>> Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular >>>>> social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? >>>>> There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that >>>>> doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and >>>>> popular socialist domestic programs? >>>>> >>>>> In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS >>>>> has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States >>>>> get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is >>>>> part of the problem, not the solution. >>>>> >>>>> “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking >>>>> without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is >>>>> unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It >>>>> is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate >>>>> change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. >>>>> >>>>> Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve >>>>> in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not >>>>> improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass >>>>> transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no >>>>> reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against >>>>> climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire >>>>> mean more austerity at home. >>>>> >>>>> We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change >>>>> and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass >>>>> protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that >>>>> refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be >>>>> disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the >>>>> war machine. >>>>> >>>>> Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. >>>>> Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial >>>>> about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to >>>>> 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed >>>>> permanently. Is anybody listening to these scientists? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>>>> >>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>>> >>> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mickalideh at gmail.com Thu May 11 17:23:25 2017 From: mickalideh at gmail.com (Harry Mickalide) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 12:23:25 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> Message-ID: So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > Harry— > > I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three > points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a > universal basic income.) > > But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - > constitute identity politics as Reed describes them. > > That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that > have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U. > > AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the > purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. > > I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. > > Regards, Carl > > > On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: > > Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black > Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of > being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that > BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. > > Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. > https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands > > From demand 1 > "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are > making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on > wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at > the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s > education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and > students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free > reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an > immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state > funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." > > From demand 8 > "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human > rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in > ensuring that for all people." > > From demand 13 > They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or > enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, > Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private > military contractors and weapons manufacturers." > > Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse > to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared > blackness? That seems hella racist to me. > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary >> organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, >> Karen. >> >> This is from six months ago, re : >> >> ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and >> provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). >> See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : >> >> "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a >> class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the >> expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in >> which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. >> "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the >> critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto >> equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into >> groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we >> do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that >> moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the >> resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, >> 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions >> were LGBT people. >> "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more >> unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves >> candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in >> service to, the ruling class” > eed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/>. >> >> It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise >> from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces >> killers?) >> It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class >> conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since >> WWII, we should be clear about causes. >> > 20-million-in-37-nations-since-wwii/>. >> >> AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and >> why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world >> today. >> And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur >> says. >> >> I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that >> effort. —CGE >> >> >> Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands >> seem, that still seems right to me. >> >> Regards, Carl >> >> >> >> On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace < >> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> >> >> Carl, Google it. >> >> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" >> >> Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> Point to items on their list that are identity politics >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: >> >> . >> >> AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism >> - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. >> >> We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to >> do that as well. >> >> But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and >> therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism >> effort. >> >> —CGE >> >> >> >> >> Carl, >> >> It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you >> can Google their demands. >> -karen medina >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 11 17:33:01 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 12:33:01 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> Message-ID: AWARE has traditionally operated by consensus. > On May 11, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Harry Mickalide wrote: > > So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: > Harry— > > I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) > > But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them. > > That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U. > > AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. > > I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. > > Regards, Carl > > >> On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: >> >> Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. >> >> Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. >> https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands >> >> From demand 1 >> "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." >> >> From demand 8 >> "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." >> >> From demand 13 >> They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." >> >> Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. >> >> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: >> More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. >> >> This is from six months ago, re >: >> >>> ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). >>> See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : >>> >>> "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. >>> "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. >>> "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” >. >>> >>> It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) >>> It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. >>> >. >>> >>> AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. >>> And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. >>> >>> I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE >> >> Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. >> >> Regards, Carl >> >> >> >>> On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Carl, Google it. >>> >>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" >>> >>> Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) >>> >>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Point to items on their list that are identity politics >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: >>>> >>>> >. >>>> >>>> AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. >>>> >>>> We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. >>>> >>>> But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. >>>> >>>> —CGE >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Carl, >>>>> >>>>> It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands. >>>>> -karen medina >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Thu May 11 17:45:01 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 17:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <1082906546.10000890.1494524701393@mail.yahoo.com> I personally did not support the substance of at least one of the demands, nor the tone of many of them. Nevertheless, it was not my intention to object to consensual support of others. DG On Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:34 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: AWARE has traditionally operated by consensus.  On May 11, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Harry Mickalide wrote: So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: Harry— I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them.  That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U.  AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. Regards, Carl       On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide wrote: Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it.https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our- demands >From demand 1"While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." >From demand 8 "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." >From demand 13 They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. This is from six months ago, re : ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” . It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. . AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says.  I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me.  Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace wrote: Carl, Google it. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: "Carl G. Estabrook"  Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > wrote: Point to items on their list that are identity politics -------- Original message -------- e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: . AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort.   —CGE Carl,   It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands.-karen medina ______________________________ _________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mai lman/listinfo/peace ______________________________ _________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mai lman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 11 17:53:00 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 17:53:00 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> Message-ID: We set a precedent last year, when a person approached us to be on the program, someone on this list who has made his views known, that of anti-semitism, holocaust denier, blames the Jews for everything. I openly was opposed to having a known racist on the program. Ron, Stuart, Karen M. in their support for “freedom of speech” disagreed with me, Carl wasn’t sure given he supports freedom of speech, but the program has limited time. I, given I was alone on this issue, insisted on bringing David Johnson, and David Green into the picture, and they agreed with me. Karen M. then took the position that we weren’t preventing this person from his freedom of speech, he could get his own program. So, from my perspective the vote, majority rules, set a precedent. We need not always be in agreement on every issue. On May 11, 2017, at 10:23, Harry Mickalide via Peace > wrote: So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Harry— I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them. That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U. AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands From demand 1 "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." From demand 8 "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." From demand 13 They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. This is from six months ago, re : ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” . It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. . AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: Carl, Google it. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Carl G. Estabrook" Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > wrote: Point to items on their list that are identity politics -------- Original message -------- e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: . AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. —CGE Carl, It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 11 17:57:31 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 17:57:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From "The Real News" a worthwhile article In-Reply-To: <0d0a96b6-19de-db86-44e6-3198bc923444@illinois.edu> References: <2600401A-2B87-4430-852C-9BF8E46DA054@illinois.edu> <4688CA43-AD2A-4D86-9460-BFE90022A922@illinois.edu> <0d0a96b6-19de-db86-44e6-3198bc923444@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Thank you Stuart. I will try to remember the clarification. On May 11, 2017, at 10:10, Stuart Levy > wrote: (removing Peace from the Cc list, leaving peace-discuss) What I've heard identified as the largest aggregate contributor to CO2 emissions is not the DoD itself, but the DoD combined with the whole military industry. On 5/11/17 11:37 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: So the science is wrong. Is it so far off that “climate change” deniers have a case to make in respect to the data? My purpose in posting this article from a website known and supported by some within AWARE is to point out the lack of “concern” across the nation, in respect to war. It is I believe a result of too many serious issues today. On May 11, 2017, at 08:02, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Insofar as CO2 emissions and climate change, yes. On May 11, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: Mort Are you saying that he is wrong, the Pentagon isn’t the number one polluter of the Earth? On May 10, 2017, at 21:36, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Pretty good, but weak on the science, as, for example in the statement: The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. He lets his antiwar feelings mislead him on the science of global warming and what it is due to. —mkb On May 8, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: * Jobs * Log In Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 0 Comments By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions of people. Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on Earth Day? Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their stupidity of denial about climate change. The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and war are the number one threat to the Earth. There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable gadgets and grandstand. George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody that does not conform. Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally crushed by the police state. Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war movement. I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war. Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it possible for people to want to do something about climate change and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social services? During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, less safe, and less free. Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and popular socialist domestic programs? In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is part of the problem, not the solution. “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire mean more austerity at home. We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the war machine. Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed permanently. Is anybody listening to these scientists? _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 11 18:05:30 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 18:05:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Now, are we all happy? I think we’ve beaten up on Carl enough for one day. I hope the bfsuiuc appreciate our worthy contribution of support and feel a sense of obligation to support us, in our efforts to prevent the killing and devastation of people of color around the world. War does have an impact on “people of color” here in the US. They are the ones who suffer the most from our wars, either through conscription or loss of social services, and the militarization of the US police forces across the nation. On May 11, 2017, at 10:53, Karen Aram via Peace > wrote: We set a precedent last year, when a person approached us to be on the program, someone on this list who has made his views known, that of anti-semitism, holocaust denier, blames the Jews for everything. I openly was opposed to having a known racist on the program. Ron, Stuart, Karen M. in their support for “freedom of speech” disagreed with me, Carl wasn’t sure given he supports freedom of speech, but the program has limited time. I, given I was alone on this issue, insisted on bringing David Johnson, and David Green into the picture, and they agreed with me. Karen M. then took the position that we weren’t preventing this person from his freedom of speech, he could get his own program. So, from my perspective the vote, majority rules, set a precedent. We need not always be in agreement on every issue. On May 11, 2017, at 10:23, Harry Mickalide via Peace > wrote: So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Harry— I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them. That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U. AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands From demand 1 "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." From demand 8 "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." From demand 13 They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. This is from six months ago, re : ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” . It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. . AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: Carl, Google it. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Carl G. Estabrook" Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > wrote: Point to items on their list that are identity politics -------- Original message -------- e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: . AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. —CGE Carl, It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands. -karen medina _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 11 18:13:35 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 13:13:35 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <8353A809-11EB-4743-8582-9F7425F8E5D1@illinois.edu> I thought airing his views distracted from AWARE’s purpose. I think endorsing identity politics does, too. —CGE > On May 11, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > We set a precedent last year, when a person approached us to be on the program, someone on this list who has made his views known, that of anti-semitism, holocaust denier, blames the Jews for everything. I openly was opposed to having a known racist on the program. > > Ron, Stuart, Karen M. in their support for “freedom of speech” disagreed with me, Carl wasn’t sure given he supports freedom of speech, but the program has limited time. > > I, given I was alone on this issue, insisted on bringing David Johnson, and David Green into the picture, and they agreed with me. Karen M. then took the position that we weren’t preventing this person from his freedom of speech, he could get his own program. > > So, from my perspective the vote, majority rules, set a precedent. We need not always be in agreement on every issue. > > >> On May 11, 2017, at 10:23, Harry Mickalide via Peace > wrote: >> >> So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? >> >> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> Harry— >> >> I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) >> >> But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them. >> >> That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U. >> >> AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. >> >> I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. >> >> Regards, Carl >> >> >>> On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: >>> >>> Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. >>> >>> Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. >>> https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands >>> >>> From demand 1 >>> "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." >>> >>> From demand 8 >>> "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." >>> >>> From demand 13 >>> They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." >>> >>> Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. >>> >>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: >>> More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. >>> >>> This is from six months ago, re >: >>> >>>> ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). >>>> See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : >>>> >>>> "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. >>>> "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. >>>> "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” >. >>>> >>>> It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) >>>> It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. >>>> >. >>>> >>>> AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. >>>> And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. >>>> >>>> I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE >>> >>> Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. >>> >>> Regards, Carl >>> >>> >>> >>>> On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Carl, Google it. >>>> >>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" >>>> >>>> Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) >>>> >>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Point to items on their list that are identity politics >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: >>>>> >>>>> >. >>>>> >>>>> AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. >>>>> >>>>> We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. >>>>> >>>>> But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. >>>>> >>>>> —CGE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Carl, >>>>>> >>>>>> It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 11 18:27:44 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 18:27:44 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: <8353A809-11EB-4743-8582-9F7425F8E5D1@illinois.edu> References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> <8353A809-11EB-4743-8582-9F7425F8E5D1@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Then we can remain our own little clique of anti-war activists known as AWARE? If we don’t grow, if we don’t recruit new people, young people who will inherit the mess that further war creates, then what is the point, other than making us feel good about ourselves. If after so many years, we aren’t making progress, then its time to try something else. We have been ineffective in countering the growing, perpetual war, machine. By we, I mean the national anti-war movement. The only real reason to demonstrate, protest, educate, speak out is to build mass movements, to frighten our elected Representatives into supporting the will of the people, not the corporations lining their pockets. If that means supporting some with their IP issues, then so be it. Though as I said, I really like #13, it highlights an issue I have been attempting to make for the past couple years with much effort and little support. On May 11, 2017, at 11:13, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: I thought airing his views distracted from AWARE’s purpose. I think endorsing identity politics does, too. —CGE On May 11, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: We set a precedent last year, when a person approached us to be on the program, someone on this list who has made his views known, that of anti-semitism, holocaust denier, blames the Jews for everything. I openly was opposed to having a known racist on the program. Ron, Stuart, Karen M. in their support for “freedom of speech” disagreed with me, Carl wasn’t sure given he supports freedom of speech, but the program has limited time. I, given I was alone on this issue, insisted on bringing David Johnson, and David Green into the picture, and they agreed with me. Karen M. then took the position that we weren’t preventing this person from his freedom of speech, he could get his own program. So, from my perspective the vote, majority rules, set a precedent. We need not always be in agreement on every issue. On May 11, 2017, at 10:23, Harry Mickalide via Peace > wrote: So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Harry— I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them. That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U. AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands From demand 1 "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." From demand 8 "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." From demand 13 They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. This is from six months ago, re : ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” . It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. . AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: Carl, Google it. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Carl G. Estabrook" Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > wrote: Point to items on their list that are identity politics -------- Original message -------- e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: . AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. —CGE Carl, It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands. -karen medina _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If we don’t grow, if we don’t recruit new people, young people who will inherit the mess that further war creates, then what is the point, other than making us feel good about ourselves. > > If after so many years, we aren’t making progress, then its time to try something else. We have been ineffective in countering the growing, perpetual war, machine. By we, I mean the national anti-war movement. > > The only real reason to demonstrate, protest, educate, speak out is to build mass movements, to frighten our elected Representatives into supporting the will of the people, not the corporations lining their pockets. > > If that means supporting some with their IP issues, then so be it. Though as I said, I really like #13, it highlights an issue I have been attempting to make for the past couple years with much effort and little support. > > >> On May 11, 2017, at 11:13, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> I thought airing his views distracted from AWARE’s purpose. >> >> I think endorsing identity politics does, too. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On May 11, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>> >>> We set a precedent last year, when a person approached us to be on the program, someone on this list who has made his views known, that of anti-semitism, holocaust denier, blames the Jews for everything. I openly was opposed to having a known racist on the program. >>> >>> Ron, Stuart, Karen M. in their support for “freedom of speech” disagreed with me, Carl wasn’t sure given he supports freedom of speech, but the program has limited time. >>> >>> I, given I was alone on this issue, insisted on bringing David Johnson, and David Green into the picture, and they agreed with me. Karen M. then took the position that we weren’t preventing this person from his freedom of speech, he could get his own program. >>> >>> So, from my perspective the vote, majority rules, set a precedent. We need not always be in agreement on every issue. >>> >>> >>>> On May 11, 2017, at 10:23, Harry Mickalide via Peace > wrote: >>>> >>>> So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >>>> Harry— >>>> >>>> I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) >>>> >>>> But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them. >>>> >>>> That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U. >>>> >>>> AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. >>>> >>>> I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. >>>> >>>> Regards, Carl >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. >>>>> >>>>> Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. >>>>> https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands >>>>> >>>>> From demand 1 >>>>> "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." >>>>> >>>>> From demand 8 >>>>> "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." >>>>> >>>>> From demand 13 >>>>> They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." >>>>> >>>>> Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: >>>>> More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. >>>>> >>>>> This is from six months ago, re >: >>>>> >>>>>> ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). >>>>>> See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : >>>>>> >>>>>> "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. >>>>>> "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. >>>>>> "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” >. >>>>>> >>>>>> It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) >>>>>> It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. >>>>>> >. >>>>>> >>>>>> AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. >>>>>> And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. >>>>>> >>>>>> I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE >>>>> >>>>> Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Carl >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Carl, Google it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>>>>> >>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" >>>>>> >>>>>> Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Point to items on their list that are identity politics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>>> e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> —CGE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carl, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 11 18:58:13 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 18:58:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> <8353A809-11EB-4743-8582-9F7425F8E5D1@illinois.edu> Message-ID: That will be fun. I have spoken of it, but I meant to say “success” not “support” below. I get IP, but if we reject everything that appears to be IP in contrast to that which maybe a priority, we become “purists.” Harry, and the student group isn’t asking for our “first born grandchild,” they’re not even asking us for “monetary contributions.” They are simply asking us to support, with our name, their concerns and issues. Most of which we support. See you Saturday at the market. On May 11, 2017, at 11:37, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: You should plan to talk about it on AOTA. I’ll attack IP. —CGE On May 11, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: Then we can remain our own little clique of anti-war activists known as AWARE? If we don’t grow, if we don’t recruit new people, young people who will inherit the mess that further war creates, then what is the point, other than making us feel good about ourselves. If after so many years, we aren’t making progress, then its time to try something else. We have been ineffective in countering the growing, perpetual war, machine. By we, I mean the national anti-war movement. The only real reason to demonstrate, protest, educate, speak out is to build mass movements, to frighten our elected Representatives into supporting the will of the people, not the corporations lining their pockets. If that means supporting some with their IP issues, then so be it. Though as I said, I really like #13, it highlights an issue I have been attempting to make for the past couple years with much effort and little support. On May 11, 2017, at 11:13, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: I thought airing his views distracted from AWARE’s purpose. I think endorsing identity politics does, too. —CGE On May 11, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: We set a precedent last year, when a person approached us to be on the program, someone on this list who has made his views known, that of anti-semitism, holocaust denier, blames the Jews for everything. I openly was opposed to having a known racist on the program. Ron, Stuart, Karen M. in their support for “freedom of speech” disagreed with me, Carl wasn’t sure given he supports freedom of speech, but the program has limited time. I, given I was alone on this issue, insisted on bringing David Johnson, and David Green into the picture, and they agreed with me. Karen M. then took the position that we weren’t preventing this person from his freedom of speech, he could get his own program. So, from my perspective the vote, majority rules, set a precedent. We need not always be in agreement on every issue. On May 11, 2017, at 10:23, Harry Mickalide via Peace > wrote: So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Harry— I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them. That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U. AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands From demand 1 "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." From demand 8 "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." From demand 13 They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. This is from six months ago, re : ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” . It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. . AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: Carl, Google it. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Carl G. Estabrook" Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > wrote: Point to items on their list that are identity politics -------- Original message -------- e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: . AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. 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Estabrook) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 15:00:28 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Identity politics (IP) In-Reply-To: References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> <8353A809-11EB-4743-8582-9F7425F8E5D1@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <7E620F7F-EA39-42C1-96E5-9B03C0FD1836@illinois.edu> Many of my ancestors were Puritans. IP is 'the left wing of neoliberalism’ - capitalism’s protean disguise. In order to have the appearance of credibility, IP must in fact attack real, existing evils (e.g. racial discrimination) - but it displaces "the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power [including war] onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do.” Thus the root of the problems is thought to be ‘white supremacy’ or ‘Islamic terrorism’ - rather than class struggles. (Reread the hundred-year-old “Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism.”) In short, concentrating on identity (a position we choose - see the current debate over the Hypatia article) interferes with understanding why the governmnet we’re responsible for has killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations since the end of WWII - and what we might do about it. —CGE > On May 11, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > That will be fun. > > I have spoken of it, but I meant to say “success” not “support” below. > > I get IP, but if we reject everything that appears to be IP in contrast to that which maybe a priority, we become “purists.” > > Harry, and the student group isn’t asking for our “first born grandchild,” they’re not even asking us for “monetary contributions.” They are simply asking us to support, with our name, their concerns and issues. Most of which we support. > > See you Saturday at the market. > > >> On May 11, 2017, at 11:37, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> You should plan to talk about it on AOTA. >> >> I’ll attack IP. —CGE >> >> >>> On May 11, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>> >>> Then we can remain our own little clique of anti-war activists known as AWARE? If we don’t grow, if we don’t recruit new people, young people who will inherit the mess that further war creates, then what is the point, other than making us feel good about ourselves. >>> >>> If after so many years, we aren’t making progress, then its time to try something else. We have been ineffective in countering the growing, perpetual war, machine. By we, I mean the national anti-war movement. >>> >>> The only real reason to demonstrate, protest, educate, speak out is to build mass movements, to frighten our elected Representatives into supporting the will of the people, not the corporations lining their pockets. >>> >>> If that means supporting some with their IP issues, then so be it. Though as I said, I really like #13, it highlights an issue I have been attempting to make for the past couple years with much effort and little support. >>> >>> >>>> On May 11, 2017, at 11:13, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >>>> >>>> I thought airing his views distracted from AWARE’s purpose. >>>> >>>> I think endorsing identity politics does, too. >>>> >>>> —CGE >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 11, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We set a precedent last year, when a person approached us to be on the program, someone on this list who has made his views known, that of anti-semitism, holocaust denier, blames the Jews for everything. I openly was opposed to having a known racist on the program. >>>>> >>>>> Ron, Stuart, Karen M. in their support for “freedom of speech” disagreed with me, Carl wasn’t sure given he supports freedom of speech, but the program has limited time. >>>>> >>>>> I, given I was alone on this issue, insisted on bringing David Johnson, and David Green into the picture, and they agreed with me. Karen M. then took the position that we weren’t preventing this person from his freedom of speech, he could get his own program. >>>>> >>>>> So, from my perspective the vote, majority rules, set a precedent. We need not always be in agreement on every issue. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On May 11, 2017, at 10:23, Harry Mickalide via Peace > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >>>>>> Harry— >>>>>> >>>>>> I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) >>>>>> >>>>>> But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them. >>>>>> >>>>>> That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U. >>>>>> >>>>>> AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, Carl >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. >>>>>>> https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From demand 1 >>>>>>> "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From demand 8 >>>>>>> "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From demand 13 >>>>>>> They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: >>>>>>> More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is from six months ago, re >: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). >>>>>>>> See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. >>>>>>>> "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. >>>>>>>> "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” >. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) >>>>>>>> It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. >>>>>>>> >. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. >>>>>>>> And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, Carl >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carl, Google it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>>>> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Point to items on their list that are identity politics >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>>>>> e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> —CGE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Carl, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. 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URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Thu May 11 20:16:41 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 20:16:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From "The Real News" a worthwhile article In-Reply-To: <0d0a96b6-19de-db86-44e6-3198bc923444@illinois.edu> References: <2600401A-2B87-4430-852C-9BF8E46DA054@illinois.edu> <4688CA43-AD2A-4D86-9460-BFE90022A922@illinois.edu> <0d0a96b6-19de-db86-44e6-3198bc923444@illinois.edu> Message-ID: “Hearing” does not suffice… Get some scientifically reliable references. On May 11, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Levy, Stuart A > wrote: (removing Peace from the Cc list, leaving peace-discuss) What I've heard identified as the largest aggregate contributor to CO2 emissions is not the DoD itself, but the DoD combined with the whole military industry. On 5/11/17 11:37 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: So the science is wrong. Is it so far off that “climate change” deniers have a case to make in respect to the data? My purpose in posting this article from a website known and supported by some within AWARE is to point out the lack of “concern” across the nation, in respect to war. It is I believe a result of too many serious issues today. On May 11, 2017, at 08:02, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Insofar as CO2 emissions and climate change, yes. On May 11, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: Mort Are you saying that he is wrong, the Pentagon isn’t the number one polluter of the Earth? On May 10, 2017, at 21:36, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Pretty good, but weak on the science, as, for example in the statement: The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. He lets his antiwar feelings mislead him on the science of global warming and what it is due to. —mkb On May 8, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: * Jobs * Log In Earth Day Denial that War Causes Climate Change FRIDAY, 28 APRIL 2017 06:55 0 Comments By David William Pear, April 26, 2017 The liberal-middleclass is brain dead about the wars. They do not want to hear about war, speak about war or see war protesters. The liberal-middleclass has emotionally numbed out. They have a complete lack of empathy for the millions of people that the USA has slaughtered, the nations that the USA has bombed to piles of rubble, and the suffering the USA has caused to tens of millions of people. Out of sight and out of mind, the USA has destroyed millions of minds, bodies, homes and lives forever. The indifference of the liberal-middleclass is mind boggling. Some sadistically see the war images as entertainment and even beautiful displays of power. I am still reeling from Earth Day and the March for Science. Where was the message that war is destroying the Earth? The Pentagon is the number one consumer of fossil fuels and the number one polluter of the Earth. Why was the Pentagon given a pass on Earth Day? Do scientists deny that war causes global warming? The liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald J. Trump about climate change. They have their heads stuck in the sand too. At least the Republicans are honest in their stupidity of denial about climate change. The liberal-middle-class’s dishonest stupidity is to lie by omission and not confront war as the number one polluter. The Pentagon and militarism are the greatest danger to the Earth and every living creature on it. The world is racing headlong towards nuclear war and the liberal-middleclass is in deep denial. Earth Day and the March for Science were more hypocrisy and feel good faux solidarity of concern for the Earth. Earth Day was carefully stage-managed to not offend or affect any change. Earth Day was just a fun day. Those that attended appeared to be mostly liberal-middleclass families, couples, singles and students. It was a sterile showing of solidarity, with the bonus activity of hugging science. Science is worth hugging, but scientists were mum on Earth Day that the Pentagon, militarism and war are the number one threat to the Earth. There were very few speeches, posters or demonstration against war. None of the “Top Ten Posters” were antiwar. Talking about war was a conversation stopper and spoiled the fun for others who just wanted to enjoy organic snacks, browse among sustainable gadgets and grandstand. George Orwell wrote about the mind control effect of conformist demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any risk, and they reinforce the status quo. It also gives the Thought Police an opportunity to take names of anybody that does not conform. Earth Day was like Orwell’s two minutes of hate. Climate Change is the liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the main stream media know how to co-opt dissent and make it meaningless, while letting the people feel relevant and powerful. Real protests and real power of the people are brutally crushed by the police state. Any act considered unpatriotic was discouraged during Earth Day. There was no mourning for the millions of people the USA has slaughtered in the past couple of decades. There was no mention of the USA poisoning South Asia with uranium and burn pits billowing out a smorgasbord of carcinogenic chemical pollution. There was no scientific discussion of the poisonous ingredients in the Mother of All Bombs and the pollution caused by war. No discussion of nuclear winter, radiation sickness, and mass starvation from a nuclear war. Nor were there any pledges by scientists not to work for the military industrial complex. Like Mark Twain said about the weather: everybody talks about climate change but nobody does anything about it. And they won’t until there is a stop to war. Until then there will be no budget for doing something about climate change. Nor will there be any budget for healthcare, education, mass transportation and relieving suffering and ignorance. Lacking is a massive anti-war movement. I had the personal experience of being a spoiler on Earth Day. I belong to St. Pete for Peace in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is an anti-war group that has been able to survive the peace drought after the USA invasion of Iraq in 2003. We thought it would be a good idea to take an anti-war rally to Williams Park in downtown St. Petersburg where there was an Earth Day fair. Our reception was anything but warm. It was like a cold bucket of Agent Orange. We were warned not to take our anti-war posters into Williams Park. It was not the police that warned us, it was the organizers of St. Pete Earth Day. They told us to stay on the corner across the street and out of sight or they would have us arrested. Thinking that I had a Constitutional right to do so, I walked through the park anyway with an upside down American flag as a freedom of speech statement. I was immediately accosted and told that no demonstrations were allowed. I thought Earth Day was supposed to be a demonstration, and a protest against the continued destruction of the Earth and all its living creatures. Florida is one of those “Stand Your Ground” states. So we stood our ground with open carry of anti-war signs. We were not going to go quietly. As we walked through the fair with our anti-war signs we said “Happy Earth Day” to the vendors and attendees. Their responses were a few polite “thank you’s”. Mostly we got cold stares or avoidance of eye contact. My upside down flag of distress got a few hoots and confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war. Normally I do not write about myself, but Earth Day has been eating away at me. It left me angry and dumbfounded. I keep asking myself, “is the liberal-middleclass braindead?” Is it possible for people to want to do something about climate change and not see the connection to war, militarism and empire? They just don’t get it: war, climate change, war, climate change, war… The liberal-middleclass is as stuck in the American mythology as conservative Republicans. They still think that capitalism is the best of all possible worlds; that America is the best country in the world; that America cares about democracy and human rights; and that being anti-war is unpatriotic. The liberal-middleclass are too comfortable in their isolated world of high rise condominiums and SUV’s. What will it take to bring them down from their ivory tower in the mostly white Northside of St. Petersburg? Do they ever think about the mostly black Southside of St. Petersburg and its lack of basic social services? During the rainy season in Florida, the Southside is flooded with raw sewage because the city closed the Albert Whitted sewage treatment plant for lack of funds. The city saved $32 million a year by letting raw sewage flood the black neighborhood and flowing into Tampa Bay where it pollutes the water. What has happened in St. Petersburg has happened in cities all over America. It is called austerity. Funding that should be going to education, housing, mass transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are being sucked out of the economy. The money is going for militarism, war making and war profiteering. The money spent by the Department of Defense, Homeland Security and the Police State are making us less secure, less safe, and less free. Empire building, imperialism and war are perverting the domestic economy, sucking out its resources and denying citizens of the socialist programs that the Bernie Revolution talked about. Even Bernie Sanders does not take on the military industrial complex. Either Bernie is just another politician or he suffers from cognitive dissonance. His supporters made excuses for him that being anti-war during his 2016 presidential campaign would be “political suicide”, and that secretly Bernie was anti-war. If being anti-war would be political suicide, then how did Bernie’s supporters think that the country could pay for popular social programs like healthcare for everyone and free college? There is not enough money for Bernie’s boondoggle F-35 that doesn’t fly right, never ending wars that cannot be won and popular socialist domestic programs? In a recent CNN interview Bernie said: "Assad has got to go. ISIS has got to be defeated, but I do not want to see the United States get sucked into perpetual warfare in the Middle East.” Bernie is part of the problem, not the solution. “Assad has to go and ISIS has to be defeated” is magical thinking without “getting bogged down in perpetual war”. Thinking so is unconsciously letting the warmongers continue the status quo. It is saying more war, more destruction, more death and more climate change. Bernie’s revolution has melted like the Arctic ice. Nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance is going to improve in America until the dogs of war are leashed. Education will not improve. There will be no single payer healthcare, no mass transportation, no free college, no antipoverty programs, no reparations for the oppressed, and no progress made against climate change until we stop the wars. Foreign wars and empire mean more austerity at home. We can be relevant, powerful and do something about climate change and save millions of lives. We can hit the streets with mass protests against war. Support whistleblowers and those that refuse to obey illegal orders. Refuse to cooperate. Be disruptive. Use non-violent civil disobedience to sabotage the war machine. Otherwise, wars have doomed us to the ravages of climate change. Nuclear war is a real possibility that the public is in denial about. A group of scientists just advanced the Doomsday Clock to 2 ½ minutes until midnight at which time we are doomed permanently. Is anybody listening to these scientists? _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 11 20:31:22 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 20:31:22 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Identity politics (IP) In-Reply-To: <7E620F7F-EA39-42C1-96E5-9B03C0FD1836@illinois.edu> References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> <8353A809-11EB-4743-8582-9F7425F8E5D1@illinois.edu> <7E620F7F-EA39-42C1-96E5-9B03C0FD1836@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Carl, who is “concentrating” on IP? We’re simply lending our name in support of their issues. Some of which maybe IP, some is not. One could say “war in Asia” is IP for me, because my daughters are half Asian, because my husband was Asian. Its not, given that I was anti-war long before I met him or had them. Is IP, when someone who is of Muslim origin, should not be protesting against war in the Middle East because for them that would be IP? I understand very well, why IP is a “problem,” when it becomes a distraction from the larger issues. As far as I’m concerned this conversation is a distraction. An all day discussion in relation to AWARE support for a student group on campus in relation to issues most of us support? If they were Nazi’s or the KKK, then it might be worth this much discussion or attention…… I’m finished. On May 11, 2017, at 13:00, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Many of my ancestors were Puritans. IP is 'the left wing of neoliberalism’ - capitalism’s protean disguise. In order to have the appearance of credibility, IP must in fact attack real, existing evils (e.g. racial discrimination) - but it displaces "the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power [including war] onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do.” Thus the root of the problems is thought to be ‘white supremacy’ or ‘Islamic terrorism’ - rather than class struggles. (Reread the hundred-year-old “Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism.”) In short, concentrating on identity (a position we choose - see the current debate over the Hypatia article) interferes with understanding why the governmnet we’re responsible for has killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations since the end of WWII - and what we might do about it. —CGE On May 11, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: That will be fun. I have spoken of it, but I meant to say “success” not “support” below. I get IP, but if we reject everything that appears to be IP in contrast to that which maybe a priority, we become “purists.” Harry, and the student group isn’t asking for our “first born grandchild,” they’re not even asking us for “monetary contributions.” They are simply asking us to support, with our name, their concerns and issues. Most of which we support. See you Saturday at the market. On May 11, 2017, at 11:37, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: You should plan to talk about it on AOTA. I’ll attack IP. —CGE On May 11, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: Then we can remain our own little clique of anti-war activists known as AWARE? If we don’t grow, if we don’t recruit new people, young people who will inherit the mess that further war creates, then what is the point, other than making us feel good about ourselves. If after so many years, we aren’t making progress, then its time to try something else. We have been ineffective in countering the growing, perpetual war, machine. By we, I mean the national anti-war movement. The only real reason to demonstrate, protest, educate, speak out is to build mass movements, to frighten our elected Representatives into supporting the will of the people, not the corporations lining their pockets. If that means supporting some with their IP issues, then so be it. Though as I said, I really like #13, it highlights an issue I have been attempting to make for the past couple years with much effort and little support. On May 11, 2017, at 11:13, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: I thought airing his views distracted from AWARE’s purpose. I think endorsing identity politics does, too. —CGE On May 11, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: We set a precedent last year, when a person approached us to be on the program, someone on this list who has made his views known, that of anti-semitism, holocaust denier, blames the Jews for everything. I openly was opposed to having a known racist on the program. Ron, Stuart, Karen M. in their support for “freedom of speech” disagreed with me, Carl wasn’t sure given he supports freedom of speech, but the program has limited time. I, given I was alone on this issue, insisted on bringing David Johnson, and David Green into the picture, and they agreed with me. Karen M. then took the position that we weren’t preventing this person from his freedom of speech, he could get his own program. So, from my perspective the vote, majority rules, set a precedent. We need not always be in agreement on every issue. On May 11, 2017, at 10:23, Harry Mickalide via Peace > wrote: So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Harry— I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them. That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U. AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands From demand 1 "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." From demand 8 "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." From demand 13 They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. This is from six months ago, re : ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” . It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. . AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: Carl, Google it. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Carl G. Estabrook" Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > wrote: Point to items on their list that are identity politics -------- Original message -------- e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: . AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. —CGE Carl, It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. But you can Google their demands. -karen medina _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 11 21:05:51 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 16:05:51 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Identity politics (IP) In-Reply-To: References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> <8353A809-11EB-4743-8582-9F7425F8E5D1@illinois.edu> <7E620F7F-EA39-42C1-96E5-9B03C0FD1836@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <7EDA5B9C-0D02-416C-A3FB-FCF5A4F7613C@illinois.edu> As the Clinton campaign showed (Obama too), the owners of our society think that IP is their best tool to cover their tracks. IP means ignoring the objective differences of class (you belong to one, whether you know it or not) for subjective differences (whom you think of yourself as). According to IP, "a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people…" —CGE > On May 11, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Carl, who is “concentrating” on IP? We’re simply lending our name in support of their issues. Some of which maybe IP, some is not. > > One could say “war in Asia” is IP for me, because my daughters are half Asian, because my husband was Asian. Its not, given that I was anti-war long before I met him or had them. > > Is IP, when someone who is of Muslim origin, should not be protesting against war in the Middle East because for them that would be IP? > > I understand very well, why IP is a “problem,” when it becomes a distraction from the larger issues. > > As far as I’m concerned this conversation is a distraction. An all day discussion in relation to AWARE support for a student group on campus in relation to issues most of us support? > > If they were Nazi’s or the KKK, then it might be worth this much discussion or attention…… > > I’m finished. > > >> On May 11, 2017, at 13:00, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> Many of my ancestors were Puritans. >> >> IP is 'the left wing of neoliberalism’ - capitalism’s protean disguise. >> >> In order to have the appearance of credibility, IP must in fact attack real, existing evils (e.g. racial discrimination) - but it displaces "the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power [including war] onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do.” Thus the root of the problems is thought to be ‘white supremacy’ or ‘Islamic terrorism’ - rather than class struggles. (Reread the hundred-year-old “Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism.”) >> >> In short, concentrating on identity (a position we choose - see the current debate over the Hypatia article) interferes with understanding why the governmnet we’re responsible for has killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations since the end of WWII - and what we might do about it. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On May 11, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>> >>> That will be fun. >>> >>> I have spoken of it, but I meant to say “success” not “support” below. >>> >>> I get IP, but if we reject everything that appears to be IP in contrast to that which maybe a priority, we become “purists.” >>> >>> Harry, and the student group isn’t asking for our “first born grandchild,” they’re not even asking us for “monetary contributions.” They are simply asking us to support, with our name, their concerns and issues. Most of which we support. >>> >>> See you Saturday at the market. >>> >>> >>>> On May 11, 2017, at 11:37, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >>>> >>>> You should plan to talk about it on AOTA. >>>> >>>> I’ll attack IP. —CGE >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 11, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Then we can remain our own little clique of anti-war activists known as AWARE? If we don’t grow, if we don’t recruit new people, young people who will inherit the mess that further war creates, then what is the point, other than making us feel good about ourselves. >>>>> >>>>> If after so many years, we aren’t making progress, then its time to try something else. We have been ineffective in countering the growing, perpetual war, machine. By we, I mean the national anti-war movement. >>>>> >>>>> The only real reason to demonstrate, protest, educate, speak out is to build mass movements, to frighten our elected Representatives into supporting the will of the people, not the corporations lining their pockets. >>>>> >>>>> If that means supporting some with their IP issues, then so be it. Though as I said, I really like #13, it highlights an issue I have been attempting to make for the past couple years with much effort and little support. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On May 11, 2017, at 11:13, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought airing his views distracted from AWARE’s purpose. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think endorsing identity politics does, too. >>>>>> >>>>>> —CGE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 11, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We set a precedent last year, when a person approached us to be on the program, someone on this list who has made his views known, that of anti-semitism, holocaust denier, blames the Jews for everything. I openly was opposed to having a known racist on the program. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ron, Stuart, Karen M. in their support for “freedom of speech” disagreed with me, Carl wasn’t sure given he supports freedom of speech, but the program has limited time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I, given I was alone on this issue, insisted on bringing David Johnson, and David Green into the picture, and they agreed with me. Karen M. then took the position that we weren’t preventing this person from his freedom of speech, he could get his own program. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, from my perspective the vote, majority rules, set a precedent. We need not always be in agreement on every issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 11, 2017, at 10:23, Harry Mickalide via Peace > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >>>>>>>> Harry— >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, Carl >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. >>>>>>>>> https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From demand 1 >>>>>>>>> "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From demand 8 >>>>>>>>> "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From demand 13 >>>>>>>>> They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: >>>>>>>>> More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is from six months ago, re >: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). >>>>>>>>>> See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. >>>>>>>>>> "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. >>>>>>>>>> "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” >. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) >>>>>>>>>> It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. >>>>>>>>>> >. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. >>>>>>>>>> And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, Carl >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Carl, Google it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Point to items on their list that are identity politics >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>>>>>>> e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in an anti-war anti-racism effort. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> —CGE >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Carl, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell phone. 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Estabrook) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 17:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Identity politics (IP) In-Reply-To: <7EDA5B9C-0D02-416C-A3FB-FCF5A4F7613C@illinois.edu> References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <4265F060-4D39-4773-8B8E-01C4C493BA75@illinois.edu> <8353A809-11EB-4743-8582-9F7425F8E5D1@illinois.edu> <7E620F7F-EA39-42C1-96E5-9B03C0FD1836@illinois.edu> <7EDA5B9C-0D02-416C-A3FB-FCF5A4F7613C@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <165C861B-3935-47EA-92F4-048BB4C42218@illinois.edu> [IP is a substitute for left politics] The defensible heart of identity politics is its commitment to opposing forms of discrimination like racism, sexism, and homophobia. I share that commitment. But opposing discrimination today has no more to do with a left politics than do equally powerful ethical commitments against, say, violence or dishonesty. Why? Because the core of a left politics is its critique of and resistance to capitalism—its commitment to decommodifying education, health care, and housing, and creating a more economically equal society. Neither hostility to discrimination nor the accompanying enthusiasm for diversity makes the slightest contribution to accomplishing any of those goals. Just the opposite, in fact. They function instead to provide inequality with a meritocratic justification: If everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed, there’s no injustice when some people fail. This is why Adolph Reed and I have been arguing that identity politics is not an alternative to class politics but a form of it: It’s the politics of an upper class that has no problem with seeing people being left behind as long as they haven’t been left behind because of their race or sex. That’s why elite institutions like universities make an effort to recruit black people as well as white into the ruling class. They’re seeking to legitimate the class structure, not abolish it. Of course, if we’re going to accept a ruling class, one that’s open to people other than straight white men is preferable. But shouldn’t the left be more committed to doing something for the vast majority of people of all races, genders, and sexual orientations who will never belong to that class? We’ve never thought the fact that a few white people get to become rich was a victory for poor white people, so why should substituting in a few black people change the equation? It’s not racism that creates the difference between classes; it’s capitalism. And it’s not anti-racism that can combat the difference; it’s socialism. We’re frequently told that black poverty is worse than white poverty—more isolating, more concentrated—and maybe that’s true. But why, politically, should it matter? You don’t build the left by figuring out which victim has been most victimized; you build it by organizing all the victims. When it comes to the value of universal health care, for example, we don’t need to worry for a second about whether the black descendants of slaves are worse off than the white descendants of coal miners. The goal is not to make sure that black people are no sicker than white people; it’s to make everybody healthy. That’s why they call it universal. Discrimination is neoliberalism’s theory of inequality. Even poor whites have started to buy it—a large number appear to think anti-white bias is their real problem! Obviously, they’re wrong, but when, as Barbara and Karen Fields point out, the language of victimization has become so impoverished that it consists of nothing but discrimination, you go with what you’ve got. A new left politics will need to change that. Instead of a more complicated understanding of identity—of race, sex, and intersectionality (that opiate of the professional managerial class)—we need a more profound understanding of exploitation. --Walter Benn Michaels, The Nation, December 18, 2016 From moboct1 at aim.com Fri May 12 20:20:37 2017 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:20:37 -0400 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <15bfe51fc65-6c9a-1b51@webprd-m42.mail.aol.com> Is anyone concerned enough about the status of Prof. Lou Turner as discussed by Gus Wood on the Labor Hour several weeks ago to fill us in on the latest development there?  Seems like it should hold some interest for bsfr in addition to tilting windmills.MO'B-----Original Message-----From: Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss To: Karen Aram CC: peace ; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Peace-discuss List ; prairiegreens ; Harry Mickalide Sent: Thu, 11 May 2017 13:37Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Join us to leaflet the Art Theatre tonight 6-7pm You should plan to talk about it on AOTA.I’ll attack IP. —CGEOn May 11, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Karen Aram wrote: Then we can remain our own little clique of anti-war activists known as AWARE?  If we don’t grow, if we don’t recruit new people, young people who will inherit the mess that further war creates, then what is the point, other than making us feel good about ourselves.  If after so many years, we aren’t making progress, then its time to try something else. We have been ineffective in countering the growing, perpetual war, machine. By we, I mean the national anti-war movement.  The only real reason to demonstrate, protest, educate, speak out is to build mass movements, to frighten our elected Representatives into supporting the will of the people, not the corporations lining their pockets. If that means supporting some with their IP issues, then so be it. Though as I said, I really like #13, it highlights an issue I have been attempting to make for the past couple years with much effort and little support.    On May 11, 2017, at 11:13, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: I thought airing his views distracted from AWARE’s purpose. I think endorsing identity politics does, too.  —CGE On May 11, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Karen Aram wrote: We set a precedent last year, when a person approached us to be on the program, someone on this list who has made his views known, that of anti-semitism, holocaust denier, blames the Jews for everything. I openly was opposed to having a known racist on the program.  Ron, Stuart, Karen M. in their support for “freedom of speech” disagreed with me, Carl wasn’t sure given he supports freedom of speech, but the program has limited time.  I, given I was alone on this issue, insisted on bringing David Johnson, and David Green into the picture, and they agreed with me. Karen M. then took the position that we weren’t preventing this person from his freedom of speech, he could get his own program.  So, from my perspective the vote, majority rules, set a precedent. We need not always be in agreement on every issue. On May 11, 2017, at 10:23, Harry Mickalide via Peace wrote: So that's Harry Mickalide, David Johnson, Karen Aram, Stuart Levy, and Karen Medina all for having AWARE sign on as officially supporting the demands. What is AWARE's policy on organization-wide decisions? Do we need consensus or a majority vote? On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: Harry— I and I’m sure other members and friends of AWARE support those three points (and perhaps stronger versions, including free tuition and a universal basic income.) But the bulk of the 13 demands - containing some legitimate complaints - constitute identity politics as Reed describes them.  That’s separate from and at worst a distraction from the politics that have animated the "Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort” of C-U.  AWARE members may support the demands, but I think it’s outside the purpose of AWARE as an organization to do so. I hope members of both groups will cooperate in combatting war and racism. Regards, Carl        On May 11, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide wrote: Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands >From demand 1 "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." >From demand 8 "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in ensuring that for all people." >From demand 13 They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss archives, Karen. This is from six months ago, re : ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign). See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” . It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?) It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. . AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says.  I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the demands seem, that still seems right to me.  Regards, Carl On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace wrote: Carl, Google it. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Carl G. Estabrook"  Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) > wrote: Point to items on their list that are identity politics -------- Original message --------  e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: . AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective ways to do that as well. 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URL: From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Sat May 13 01:17:35 2017 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 20:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE at Farmer's Market - and SJP UIUC #SaltwaterChallenge - and Black Students for Revolution UIUC's demands In-Reply-To: References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <8fa0951d-d6d6-d538-12d6-53bb8dbffe35@gmail.com> AWARE will have a table at the Farmer's Market, for the first time this season, tomorrow morning -- Saturday, May 13th, 8am-noon. We'll have a collection of anti-war flyers, as well as buttons and bumper stickers. I'll also bring some copies of the Black Students for Revolution's demands - we can talk about them with whoever stops by. On the whole I think that they're admirable. Another admirable effort - hearing about this now - is the #SaltwaterChallenge international campaign, which Students from Justice in Palestine UIUC is participating in, in solidarity with some 1700 Palestinians in Israeli prisons who are protesting the only way they can: through a hunger strike, now in its 21st day. Theirs is a risky effort which merits our awareness and support. SJP UIUC thanks several other UIUC student groups as supporting them in that effort, including Black Students for Revolution , Black United Front UIUC , UIUC Beyond Coal , UMMA UIUC , and Arab Student Association at UIUC . Stuart On 5/11/17 10:13 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss wrote: > Carl, here is my frustration. You continue to assert that BSFR (Black > Students for Revolution) is engaging in identity politics at the > expense of being anti-capitalist and anti-war when multiple people > have told you that BSFR is very much anti-capitalist and anti-war. > > Here are some quotes from their list of demands to prove it. > https://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands > > From demand 1 > "While students are being handcuffed with loans, private lenders are > making a profit and the federal government is spending public funds on > wars, drones, wall street bailouts, and corporate subsidies. Situated > at the intersection of white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy, > today’s education model marginalizes and excludes both the working > class and students of color. As a first step towards a tuition-free > and debt-free reality within higher education, we demand that tuition > hikes come to an immediate and permanent end, and that MAP Grants, > regardless of state funding, should continue to be issued to recipients." > > From demand 8 > "We believe adequate shelter, food, water, and health care are human > rights owed to all workers, and that a living wage is a first step in > ensuring that for all people." > > From demand 13 > They call for divestment from "corporations which actively support or > enable states currently carrying out human right’s abuses (e.g., > Israel, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar), all private prison corporations, and > all private military contractors and weapons manufacturers." > > Despite this clear overlap between the goals of AWARE and BSFR, you > refuse to support them because they are also choosing to rally around > their shared blackness? That seems hella racist to me. > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > > wrote: > > More useful than Google (not, perhaps, the most revolutionary > organization...) is the ‘Search’ function on the Peace-discuss > archives, Karen. > > This is from six months ago, re > >: > >> ...The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature >> and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton >> campaign). >> See Adolph Reed's mordant description … : >> >> "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it >> is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of >> neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a >> political order and moral economy in which capitalist market >> forces are treated as unassailable nature. >> "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the >> critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class >> power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity >> that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we >> essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, >> following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a >> society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the >> resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were >> black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the >> appropriate proportions were LGBT people. >> "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses >> more unambiguously the social position of people who consider >> themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant >> staff positions in service to, the ruling class” >> > >. >> >> It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can >> arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among >> Special Forces killers?) >> It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign >> class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in >> 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes. >> > >. >> >> AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of >> how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of >> violence in the world today. >> And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as >> Hotspur says. >> >> I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to >> that effort. —CGE > > Six months on, and as worthwhile as some of the goals of the > demands seem, that still seems right to me. > > Regards, Carl > > > >> On May 11, 2017, at 9:06 AM, kmedina67 via Peace >> > wrote: >> >> >> Carl, Google it. >> >> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" >> >> Send me their list of demands (and read Reed…) >> >> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Point to items on their list that are identity politics >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> e.g. Adolph Reed’s critique: >>> >>> >> >. >>> >>> AWARE was founded to foster local opposition to US war-making >>> and racism - and, by implication, capitalism, the source of both. >>> >>> We should be willing to cooperate with others who have effective >>> ways to do that as well. >>> >>> But as Reed explains, identity politics is a defense of >>> capitalism - and therefore at best only accidentally useful in >>> an anti-war anti-racism effort. >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Carl, >>>> >>>> It is online. I can't copy and paste the url from my cell >>>> phone. But you can Google their demands. >>>> -karen medina >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From salevy at illinois.edu Sat May 13 01:22:32 2017 From: salevy at illinois.edu (Stuart Levy) Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 20:22:32 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Worldwide Cyber Attack today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4395fc7b-e1a8-b20c-ffc9-3b09618c894b@illinois.edu> (removing Peace from Cc...) There's a good article about this on Common Dreams this afternoon -- It used an Windows vulnerability discovered by the NSA years ago, but only revealed to Microsoft after the NSA tools were leaked. Microsoft released a fix pretty quickly - in March - but organizations that don't often update their software remained vulnerable. The NSA could have told Microsoft years earlier. The argument: don't hang on to discovered security holes because "only us good guys know about them", since of course it doesn't stay that way. As Edward Snowden said today, this is the consequence. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/05/12/nsa-tools-built-despite-warnings-used-global-cyber-attack On 5/12/17 7:44 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > I saw it this morning on Sky News International, NHS was hit, at least > 40 or their hospitals and organizations. Only later was I able to > acquire the link below from RT.com > > > > https://www.rt.com/usa/388187-leaked-nsa-exploit-ransomware/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The NSA could have told Microsoft years > earlier. > > The argument: don't hang on to discovered security holes because "only us > good guys know about them", since of course it doesn't stay that way. As > Edward Snowden said today, this is the consequence. > > https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/05/12/nsa-tools- > built-despite-warnings-used-global-cyber-attack > > > On 5/12/17 7:44 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > I saw it this morning on Sky News International, NHS was hit, at least 40 > or their hospitals and organizations. Only later was I able to acquire the > link below from RT.com > > > > https://www.rt.com/usa/388187-leaked-nsa-exploit-ransomware/ > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing listPeace-discuss at lists.chambana.nethttps://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat May 13 01:39:57 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 20:39:57 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Worldwide Cyber Attack today In-Reply-To: References: <4395fc7b-e1a8-b20c-ffc9-3b09618c894b@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <3E44AAA8-B30F-417E-8E74-9171220503D8@illinois.edu> One of the very few authentic American heroes of the vicious SW Asian wars. > On May 12, 2017, at 8:25 PM, Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Snowden is probably as much at fault as anyone - his initial theft probably was exploited by Russian hackers - he is NO HERO, just a common thief > > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: > (removing Peace from Cc...) > > There's a good article about this on Common Dreams this afternoon -- > > It used an Windows vulnerability discovered by the NSA years ago, but only revealed to Microsoft after the NSA tools were leaked. Microsoft released a fix pretty quickly - in March - but organizations that don't often update their software remained vulnerable. The NSA could have told Microsoft years earlier. > > The argument: don't hang on to discovered security holes because "only us good guys know about them", since of course it doesn't stay that way. As Edward Snowden said today, this is the consequence. > > https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/05/12/nsa-tools-built-despite-warnings-used-global-cyber-attack > > > On 5/12/17 7:44 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> I saw it this morning on Sky News International, NHS was hit, at least 40 or their hospitals and organizations. Only later was I able to acquire the link below from RT.com >> >> >> >> https://www.rt.com/usa/388187-leaked-nsa-exploit-ransomware/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat May 13 01:58:31 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 20:58:31 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE at Farmer's Market - and SJP UIUC #SaltwaterChallenge - and Black Students for Revolution UIUC's demands In-Reply-To: <8fa0951d-d6d6-d538-12d6-53bb8dbffe35@gmail.com> References: <362A6EB4-3C49-4054-877F-4EE7E0F0BF27@illinois.edu> <8fa0951d-d6d6-d538-12d6-53bb8dbffe35@gmail.com> Message-ID: Stuart— If the AWARE table will include copies of the Black Students for Revolution's demands, I’d like also to distribute flyers containing the comments of Adolph Reed and Walter Benn Michaels on identity politics. (Both statements have recently been posted to the AWARE fb page.) As you know, I think AWARE should concentrate on anti-war work, especially at this time when war politics have been so propagandized by the last administration and this one. We should be trying to cut through the fog, not increasing it with IP. Regards, Carl > On May 12, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Stuart Levy wrote: > > AWARE will have a table at the Farmer's Market, for the first time this season, tomorrow morning -- Saturday, May 13th, 8am-noon. > > We'll have a collection of anti-war flyers, as well as buttons and bumper stickers. > > I'll also bring some copies of the Black Students for Revolution's demands - we can talk about them with whoever stops by. On the whole I think that they're admirable. > > Another admirable effort - hearing about this now - is the #SaltwaterChallenge international campaign, which Students from Justice in Palestine UIUC is participating in, in solidarity with some 1700 Palestinians in Israeli prisons who are protesting the only way they can: through a hunger strike, now in its 21st day. Theirs is a risky effort which merits our awareness and support. > > SJP UIUC thanks several other UIUC student groups as supporting them in that effort, including Black Students for Revolution , Black United Front UIUC , UIUC Beyond Coal , UMMA UIUC , and Arab Student Association at UIUC . > > Stuart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat May 13 10:47:34 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 10:47:34 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: 'There is Very Little Moon Jae-in Can Do About THAAD Deployment in South Korea' Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 5:46 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: 'There is Very Little Moon Jae-in Can Do About THAAD Deployment in South Korea' https://sputniknews.com/asia/201705131053570195-moon-thaad-us-china/ The multifaceted issue of the US Theater High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-ballistic missile system deployment in South Korea could be resolved only with the participation of the United States and China, analysts told Sputnik. WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - South Korean President-elect Moon Jae-in will probably be unable to prevent the deployment of the US THAAD system in his country despite his expressed opposition to it. "There is very little he [Moon] can do about THAAD now," University of Illinois International Law Professor Francis Boyle said on Friday. "[US President Donald] Trump rammed it in there before Moon's election precisely to preempt Moon from taking any steps to stop THAAD. Newly elected South Korean President Moon Jae-in takes an oath during his inauguration ceremony at the National Assembly in Seoul, South Korea, May 10, 2017. (c) REUTERS/ Ahn Young-joon/Pool THAAD Issue Resolution 'Nowhere as Near as the US Expects' Moon, who advocates peacefully reducing tensions between North and South Korea and who has expressed skepticism about deploying THAAD, was elected president by a wide margin on Tuesday. Boyle said Moon would have no choice but to accept US military diktats because of Washington's massive armed presence in his country. "In all honesty, with 28,000 US troops there, South Korea is basically under the de facto military occupation by the United States left over from the Korean War," he said. The deployment of THAAD in South Korea was really a US strategic move against China and Beijing's efforts would be required to convince Trump to remove it, Boyle recalled. "The United States put THAAD in there as part of their 'pivot against China' that was started by [previous US president Barack] Obama. It will really be up to Chinese President Xi [Jinping] to convince Trump to pull out THAAD - if that can be done," he said. A Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) interceptor arrives at Osan Air Base in Pyeongtaek, South Korea, in this handout picture provided by the United States Forces Korea (USFK) and released by Yonhap on March 7, 2017. Picture taken on March 6, 2017 (c) REUTERS/ USFK/Yonhap Was Beijing's Latest Rocket Test 'Aimed at THAAD'? Boyle suggested that pulling the THAAD system out of South Korea could be accomplished as part of an overall deal among between the United States, China and North Korea for the denuclearization of the North. "I am confident President Moon will do what he can to promote such a deal," he said. From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat May 13 12:17:28 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 12:17:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Dirty Dersh Defends Trump Firing Comey Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 7:13 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Dirty Dersh Defends Trump Firing Comey It's nice to see Dirty Dersh defending Trump firing Comey. When I was at HLS during Watergate, most of us did see a problem with Tricky Dick firing Archie Cox. Not that Comey is Cox. But Dershed sounds and looks a lot like Borked to me. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat May 13 12:40:59 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 12:40:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: HLS Warren: "Nobody is above the law!" Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 7:38 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: HLS Warren: "Nobody is above the law!" Jeeze Liz. I just have one question to ask you that I would like a straight answer to: Did you exploit the Legal Academy's Affirmative Action Programs to Advance your own career in the Legal Academy? Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cge at shout.net Sat May 13 21:36:13 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 16:36:13 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Identity politics poses the danger of irrelevancy to the anti-war movement In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> Message-ID: [Last month the journal 'Historical Materialism' presented a forum at New York University. Here's a description from .] ...Of the 60 scheduled panels, not a single one relates to the subject of war. The words “imperialism,” “war,” “Iraq,” “North Korea,” “Afghanistan,” “Libya” and “Somalia” do not appear in any panel title. Instead, the NYU panel features discussion topics such as “Queer(ing) Marxism,” “Women’s Strikes in the Age of Feminization,” “The International Women’s Strike and the Anticapitalist Feminist Movement,” “Silencing the Subaltern: Resistance & Gender in Postcolonial Theory,” “Concerning Violence: Subjections, Resistance, Subversions,” “Adorno: Subjectivity and Critique,” “New Directions in Marxist/Feminist Theory,” “Race, Repetition, Rebellion: The Political Economy of Surplus,” and “Late Althusser: Politics and Theoretical Practice.” Any connections that the radicalized middle class once had to anti-imperialism or socialism are long gone. The categories of analysis they employ have nothing to do with class or historical materialism. War, social inequality and poverty all take a back seat to what really interests them: race, gender and their own sex lives. From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sat May 13 21:56:12 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 21:56:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Identity politics poses the danger of irrelevancy to the anti-war movement In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> Message-ID: <492338020.654432.1494712572144@mail.yahoo.com> https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/04/20/pseu-a20.html This is the correct link-- On Saturday, May 13, 2017 4:36 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: [Last month the journal 'Historical Materialism' presented a forum at New York University. Here's a description from .] ...Of the 60 scheduled panels, not a single one relates to the subject of war. The words “imperialism,” “war,” “Iraq,” “North Korea,” “Afghanistan,” “Libya” and “Somalia” do not appear in any panel title. Instead, the NYU panel features discussion topics such as “Queer(ing) Marxism,” “Women’s Strikes in the Age of Feminization,” “The International Women’s Strike and the Anticapitalist Feminist Movement,” “Silencing the Subaltern: Resistance & Gender in Postcolonial Theory,” “Concerning Violence: Subjections, Resistance, Subversions,” “Adorno: Subjectivity and Critique,” “New Directions in Marxist/Feminist Theory,” “Race, Repetition, Rebellion: The Political Economy of Surplus,” and “Late Althusser: Politics and Theoretical Practice.” Any connections that the radicalized middle class once had to anti-imperialism or socialism are long gone. The categories of analysis they employ have nothing to do with class or historical materialism. War, social inequality and poverty all take a back seat to what really interests them: race, gender and their own sex lives. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Sat May 13 22:01:51 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 22:01:51 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] How to Build an Autocracy? Message-ID: <62A36504-8314-4B6C-941B-314797A4256D@illinois.edu> A bagatelle for those who think that maybe ever larger, more militant & aggressive mass protests are the way to advance anti-war & equalitarian policies under Trump: Civil unrest will not be a problem for the Trump presidency. It will be a resource. Trump will likely want not to repress it, but to publicize it—and the conservative entertainment-outrage complex will eagerly assist him. Immigration protesters marching with Mexican flags; Black Lives Matter demonstrators bearing antipolice slogans—these are the images of the opposition that Trump will wish his supporters to see. The more offensively the protesters behave, the more pleased Trump will be. Calculated outrage is an old political trick, but nobody in the history of American politics has deployed it as aggressively, as repeatedly, or with such success as Donald Trump. If there is harsh law enforcement by the Trump administration, it will benefit the president not to the extent that it quashes unrest, but to the extent that it enflames more of it, ratifying the apocalyptic vision that haunted his speech at the convention. — from How to Build an Autocracy By David Frum in the March 2017 Atlantic magazine. ——— Recently, it has seemed (to me) that the only thing that may rescue the Trump regime is a wag-the-dog attack on N. Korea or a big terrorist attack at home — both of which can be arranged. ~~ Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Sat May 13 22:07:28 2017 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 17:07:28 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Identity politics poses the danger of irrelevancy to the anti-war movement In-Reply-To: <492338020.654432.1494712572144@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <492338020.654432.1494712572144@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 4:56 PM, David Green via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/04/20/pseu-a20.html > > This is the correct link-- > So....the same one that Carl had at the bottom of his post? > On Saturday, May 13, 2017 4:36 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > [Last month the journal 'Historical Materialism' presented a forum at > New York University. Here's a description from .] > > ...Of the 60 scheduled panels, not a single one relates to the subject > of war. The words “imperialism,” “war,” “Iraq,” “North Korea,” > “Afghanistan,” “Libya” and “Somalia” do not appear in any panel title. > > Instead, the NYU panel features discussion topics such as “Queer(ing) > Marxism,” “Women’s Strikes in the Age of Feminization,” “The > International Women’s Strike and the Anticapitalist Feminist Movement,” > “Silencing the Subaltern: Resistance & Gender in Postcolonial Theory,” > “Concerning Violence: Subjections, Resistance, Subversions,” “Adorno: > Subjectivity and Critique,” “New Directions in Marxist/Feminist Theory,” > “Race, Repetition, Rebellion: The Political Economy of Surplus,” and > “Late Althusser: Politics and Theoretical Practice.” > > Any connections that the radicalized middle class once had to > anti-imperialism or socialism are long gone. The categories of analysis > they employ have nothing to do with class or historical materialism. > War, social inequality and poverty all take a back seat to what really > interests them: race, gender and their own sex lives. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sat May 13 22:16:04 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 22:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Identity politics poses the danger of irrelevancy to the anti-war movement In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <492338020.654432.1494712572144@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1280968841.679220.1494713764677@mail.yahoo.com> My bad, when I first clicked on Carl's link it brought up a different article. Don't know why. On Saturday, May 13, 2017 5:07 PM, John W. wrote: On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 4:56 PM, David Green via Peace wrote: https://www.wsws.org/en/ articles/2017/04/20/pseu-a20. html This is the correct link-- So....the same one that Carl had at the bottom of his post?   On Saturday, May 13, 2017 4:36 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: [Last month the journal 'Historical Materialism' presented a forum at New York University. Here's a description from .] ...Of the 60 scheduled panels, not a single one relates to the subject of war. The words “imperialism,” “war,” “Iraq,” “North Korea,” “Afghanistan,” “Libya” and “Somalia” do not appear in any panel title. Instead, the NYU panel features discussion topics such as “Queer(ing) Marxism,” “Women’s Strikes in the Age of Feminization,” “The International Women’s Strike and the Anticapitalist Feminist Movement,” “Silencing the Subaltern: Resistance & Gender in Postcolonial Theory,” “Concerning Violence: Subjections, Resistance, Subversions,” “Adorno: Subjectivity and Critique,” “New Directions in Marxist/Feminist Theory,” “Race, Repetition, Rebellion: The Political Economy of Surplus,” and “Late Althusser: Politics and Theoretical Practice.” Any connections that the radicalized middle class once had to anti-imperialism or socialism are long gone. The categories of analysis they employ have nothing to do with class or historical materialism. War, social inequality and poverty all take a back seat to what really interests them: race, gender and their own sex lives. ______________________________ _________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana. net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss ______________________________ _________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 13 22:20:58 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 22:20:58 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] How to Build an Autocracy? In-Reply-To: <62A36504-8314-4B6C-941B-314797A4256D@illinois.edu> References: <62A36504-8314-4B6C-941B-314797A4256D@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Lessons from David Frum?” You’ve got to be kidding. If he has his way, we will have the usual demonstrations against “Trump”, with limited unity, and probably over something he “says” rather than what our government does, all in order to put a Democrat in the White House, the next election. On May 13, 2017, at 15:01, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss > wrote: A bagatelle for those who think that maybe ever larger, more militant & aggressive mass protests are the way to advance anti-war & equalitarian policies under Trump: Civil unrest will not be a problem for the Trump presidency. It will be a resource. Trump will likely want not to repress it, but to publicize it—and the conservative entertainment-outrage complex will eagerly assist him. Immigration protesters marching with Mexican flags; Black Lives Matter demonstrators bearing antipolice slogans—these are the images of the opposition that Trump will wish his supporters to see. The more offensively the protesters behave, the more pleased Trump will be. Calculated outrage is an old political trick, but nobody in the history of American politics has deployed it as aggressively, as repeatedly, or with such success as Donald Trump. If there is harsh law enforcement by the Trump administration, it will benefit the president not to the extent that it quashes unrest, but to the extent that it enflames more of it, ratifying the apocalyptic vision that haunted his speech at the convention. — from How to Build an Autocracy By David Frum in the March 2017 Atlantic magazine. ——— Recently, it has seemed (to me) that the only thing that may rescue the Trump regime is a wag-the-dog attack on N. Korea or a big terrorist attack at home — both of which can be arranged. ~~ Ron _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat May 13 22:22:09 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 17:22:09 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] How to Build an Autocracy? In-Reply-To: <62A36504-8314-4B6C-941B-314797A4256D@illinois.edu> References: <62A36504-8314-4B6C-941B-314797A4256D@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <0B7E58DE-CEE2-4B97-A8FA-F878DAA5B27E@illinois.edu> The ‘protests’ and ‘#resistance’ are inspired by the political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagon-spooks etc.) who think their right-to-rule was illegitimately denied by Trump’s election. They will be even more enraged if the essential policies of their pro-war/pro-Wall Street politics - hostility to Russia and China - are reversed by the Trump administration. There were indications this week (in addition to to the firing of Comey) that that was happening, viz. and to wit: Russia - >; and China - >. —CGE > On May 13, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > A bagatelle for those who think that maybe ever larger, more militant & aggressive mass protests are the way to advance anti-war & equalitarian policies under Trump: > Civil unrest will not be a problem for the Trump presidency. It will be a resource. Trump will likely want not to repress it, but to publicize it—and the conservative entertainment-outrage complex will eagerly assist him. Immigration protesters marching with Mexican flags; Black Lives Matter demonstrators bearing antipolice slogans—these are the images of the opposition that Trump will wish his supporters to see. The more offensively the protesters behave, the more pleased Trump will be. > > Calculated outrage is an old political trick, but nobody in the history of American politics has deployed it as aggressively, as repeatedly, or with such success as Donald Trump. If there is harsh law enforcement by the Trump administration, it will benefit the president not to the extent that it quashes unrest, but to the extent that it enflames more of it, ratifying the apocalyptic vision that haunted his speech at the convention. > > — from > How to Build an Autocracy > > By David Frum in the March 2017 Atlantic magazine. > > ——— > > Recently, it has seemed (to me) that the only thing that may rescue the Trump regime is a wag-the-dog attack on N. Korea or a big terrorist attack at home — both of which can be arranged. > > ~~ Ron > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 13 22:23:51 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 22:23:51 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: UPTV6: "News From Neptune - Episode #341" References: <3f14aa85491fb013.1494709175547.826106.709701.en-US.c2b52b491d5749ad@google.com> Message-ID: [https://www.gstatic.com/youtube/img/email/email_logo.png] Check out the latest video from your channel subscriptions for May 13, 2017. [http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4SD5QEEHNps/sddefault.jpg?w=640&h=360&feature=em-subs_digest&sigh=Ip0iaAznSyfRLl_6gIhUnKCKhKw] News From Neptune - Episode #341 1 day ago • 8 views [https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vV4WZKigmq0/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/kbalKMTc6Zw/s50-mo/photo.jpg] UPTV6 + 12 more Recommended [http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/b3dyJBplBwU/mqdefault.jpg] The New Rule of The World by John Pilger by West Papua Liberaton Organization 6,880 views [http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/TK0R_06zOOY/mqdefault.jpg] Racing To The Precipice: Prof Noam Chomsky (March 2017) by Understanding Climate Change 123,504 views [http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/QT4MO9uQxgc/mqdefault.jpg] Full Interview: Noam Chomsky on Trump's First 75 Days &... by Democracy Now! 295,790 views [http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/U7EyfO0TRm4/mqdefault.jpg] Noam Chomsky, "Neo-Liberalism: An Accounting" by UMassEconomics 23,441 views [http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/Eb5cqAya3CM/mqdefault.jpg] Noam Chomsky: Prospects for Human Survival by dktyph 2,724 views [http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/mXNO_g4hlKw/mqdefault.jpg] Director John Pilger: Disastrous consequences if US pro... by CGTN 77,249 views © 2017 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 YouTube sends email summaries like these so you can keep up with your channel subscriptions. 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[http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4SD5QEEHNps/sddefault.jpg?w=640&h=360&feature=em-subs_digest&sigh=Ip0iaAznSyfRLl_6gIhUnKCKhKw] News From Neptune - Episode #341 1 day ago • 8 views [https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vV4WZKigmq0/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/kbalKMTc6Zw/s50-mo/photo.jpg] UPTV6 + 12 more Recommended [http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/b3dyJBplBwU/mqdefault.jpg] The New Rule of The World by John Pilger by West Papua Liberaton Organization 6,880 views [http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/TK0R_06zOOY/mqdefault.jpg] Racing To The Precipice: Prof Noam Chomsky (March 2017) by Understanding Climate Change 123,504 views [http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/QT4MO9uQxgc/mqdefault.jpg] Full Interview: Noam Chomsky on Trump's First 75 Days &... by Democracy Now! 295,790 views [http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/U7EyfO0TRm4/mqdefault.jpg] Noam Chomsky, "Neo-Liberalism: An Accounting" by UMassEconomics 23,441 views [http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/Eb5cqAya3CM/mqdefault.jpg] Noam Chomsky: Prospects for Human Survival by dktyph 2,724 views [http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/mXNO_g4hlKw/mqdefault.jpg] Director John Pilger: Disastrous consequences if US pro... by CGTN 77,249 views © 2017 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 YouTube sends email summaries like these so you can keep up with your channel subscriptions. If you no longer want to receive these updates, you may edit your preferences here or unsubscribe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 13 22:35:20 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 22:35:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Identity politics poses the danger of irrelevancy to the anti-war movement In-Reply-To: <1280968841.679220.1494713764677@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <492338020.654432.1494712572144@mail.yahoo.com> <1280968841.679220.1494713764677@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good article, one of the reasons I use the WSWS.Org as a reference much of the time. The author didn’t mention the ISO’s Ashley Smith, being one of those “supporting war” in Syria, with his “we need to support the rebels” and anyone who doesn’t is a supporter of “Assad the Dictator.” On May 13, 2017, at 15:16, David Green via Peace > wrote: My bad, when I first clicked on Carl's link it brought up a different article. Don't know why. On Saturday, May 13, 2017 5:07 PM, John W. > wrote: On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 4:56 PM, David Green via Peace > wrote: https://www.wsws.org/en/ articles/2017/04/20/pseu-a20. html This is the correct link-- So....the same one that Carl had at the bottom of his post? On Saturday, May 13, 2017 4:36 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: [Last month the journal 'Historical Materialism' presented a forum at New York University. Here's a description from >.] ...Of the 60 scheduled panels, not a single one relates to the subject of war. The words “imperialism,” “war,” “Iraq,” “North Korea,” “Afghanistan,” “Libya” and “Somalia” do not appear in any panel title. Instead, the NYU panel features discussion topics such as “Queer(ing) Marxism,” “Women’s Strikes in the Age of Feminization,” “The International Women’s Strike and the Anticapitalist Feminist Movement,” “Silencing the Subaltern: Resistance & Gender in Postcolonial Theory,” “Concerning Violence: Subjections, Resistance, Subversions,” “Adorno: Subjectivity and Critique,” “New Directions in Marxist/Feminist Theory,” “Race, Repetition, Rebellion: The Political Economy of Surplus,” and “Late Althusser: Politics and Theoretical Practice.” Any connections that the radicalized middle class once had to anti-imperialism or socialism are long gone. The categories of analysis they employ have nothing to do with class or historical materialism. War, social inequality and poverty all take a back seat to what really interests them: race, gender and their own sex lives. > ______________________________ _________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana. net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss ______________________________ _________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat May 13 22:37:56 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 17:37:56 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] How to Build an Autocracy? In-Reply-To: <62A36504-8314-4B6C-941B-314797A4256D@illinois.edu> References: <62A36504-8314-4B6C-941B-314797A4256D@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <4EC4C72F-2659-4317-80F6-5C61D10F417B@illinois.edu> On the efficacy of protest - not against Trump, practically an irrelevancy - but against the penchant for war and ecocide among neolibs, necons, military, spooks, etc.- see Jeffrey St. Clair, “…The End of the Age of Protest”: >. —CGE > On May 13, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > A bagatelle for those who think that maybe ever larger, more militant & aggressive mass protests are the way to advance anti-war & equalitarian policies under Trump: > Civil unrest will not be a problem for the Trump presidency. It will be a resource. Trump will likely want not to repress it, but to publicize it—and the conservative entertainment-outrage complex will eagerly assist him. Immigration protesters marching with Mexican flags; Black Lives Matter demonstrators bearing antipolice slogans—these are the images of the opposition that Trump will wish his supporters to see. The more offensively the protesters behave, the more pleased Trump will be. > > Calculated outrage is an old political trick, but nobody in the history of American politics has deployed it as aggressively, as repeatedly, or with such success as Donald Trump. If there is harsh law enforcement by the Trump administration, it will benefit the president not to the extent that it quashes unrest, but to the extent that it enflames more of it, ratifying the apocalyptic vision that haunted his speech at the convention. > > — from > How to Build an Autocracy > > By David Frum in the March 2017 Atlantic magazine. > > ——— > > Recently, it has seemed (to me) that the only thing that may rescue the Trump regime is a wag-the-dog attack on N. Korea or a big terrorist attack at home — both of which can be arranged. > > ~~ Ron > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat May 13 22:40:55 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 22:40:55 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Identity politics poses the danger of irrelevancy to the anti-war movement In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <492338020.654432.1494712572144@mail.yahoo.com> <1280968841.679220.1494713764677@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: How many and who on the so-called “Left” mongered for Obama’s wars against Syria and/or Libya. All Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing. So-called Uniting for Peace and Justice threw me off their list when I argued that their Darling Little Harvard Law Obama should be impeached for destroying Libya and exterminating 50,000 Libyans. Just a Front Organization for the Dems. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 5:35 PM To: David Green Cc: peace at lists.chambana.net; C. G. Estabrook ; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Identity politics poses the danger of irrelevancy to the anti-war movement Good article, one of the reasons I use the WSWS.Org as a reference much of the time. The author didn’t mention the ISO’s Ashley Smith, being one of those “supporting war” in Syria, with his “we need to support the rebels” and anyone who doesn’t is a supporter of “Assad the Dictator.” On May 13, 2017, at 15:16, David Green via Peace > wrote: My bad, when I first clicked on Carl's link it brought up a different article. Don't know why. On Saturday, May 13, 2017 5:07 PM, John W. > wrote: On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 4:56 PM, David Green via Peace > wrote: https://www.wsws.org/en/ articles/2017/04/20/pseu-a20. html This is the correct link-- So....the same one that Carl had at the bottom of his post? On Saturday, May 13, 2017 4:36 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: [Last month the journal 'Historical Materialism' presented a forum at New York University. Here's a description from >.] ...Of the 60 scheduled panels, not a single one relates to the subject of war. The words “imperialism,” “war,” “Iraq,” “North Korea,” “Afghanistan,” “Libya” and “Somalia” do not appear in any panel title. Instead, the NYU panel features discussion topics such as “Queer(ing) Marxism,” “Women’s Strikes in the Age of Feminization,” “The International Women’s Strike and the Anticapitalist Feminist Movement,” “Silencing the Subaltern: Resistance & Gender in Postcolonial Theory,” “Concerning Violence: Subjections, Resistance, Subversions,” “Adorno: Subjectivity and Critique,” “New Directions in Marxist/Feminist Theory,” “Race, Repetition, Rebellion: The Political Economy of Surplus,” and “Late Althusser: Politics and Theoretical Practice.” Any connections that the radicalized middle class once had to anti-imperialism or socialism are long gone. The categories of analysis they employ have nothing to do with class or historical materialism. War, social inequality and poverty all take a back seat to what really interests them: race, gender and their own sex lives. > ______________________________ _________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana. net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss ______________________________ _________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat May 13 22:46:17 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 22:46:17 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Identity politics poses the danger of irrelevancy to the anti-war movement References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <492338020.654432.1494712572144@mail.yahoo.com> <1280968841.679220.1494713764677@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And of course Amy Badman is a disgrace—having mongered for war against Libya for eight months straight along with Juan Cole of UMichigan who is reported to be a CIA Asset. All major campuses have CIA Asset Profs including our own. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 5:41 PM To: 'Karen Aram' ; David Green Cc: C. G. Estabrook ; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Identity politics poses the danger of irrelevancy to the anti-war movement How many and who on the so-called “Left” mongered for Obama’s wars against Syria and/or Libya. All Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing. So-called Uniting for Peace and Justice threw me off their list when I argued that their Darling Little Harvard Law Obama should be impeached for destroying Libya and exterminating 50,000 Libyans. Just a Front Organization for the Dems. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 5:35 PM To: David Green > Cc: peace at lists.chambana.net; C. G. Estabrook >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Identity politics poses the danger of irrelevancy to the anti-war movement Good article, one of the reasons I use the WSWS.Org as a reference much of the time. The author didn’t mention the ISO’s Ashley Smith, being one of those “supporting war” in Syria, with his “we need to support the rebels” and anyone who doesn’t is a supporter of “Assad the Dictator.” On May 13, 2017, at 15:16, David Green via Peace > wrote: My bad, when I first clicked on Carl's link it brought up a different article. Don't know why. On Saturday, May 13, 2017 5:07 PM, John W. > wrote: On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 4:56 PM, David Green via Peace > wrote: https://www.wsws.org/en/ articles/2017/04/20/pseu-a20. html This is the correct link-- So....the same one that Carl had at the bottom of his post? On Saturday, May 13, 2017 4:36 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: [Last month the journal 'Historical Materialism' presented a forum at New York University. Here's a description from >.] ...Of the 60 scheduled panels, not a single one relates to the subject of war. The words “imperialism,” “war,” “Iraq,” “North Korea,” “Afghanistan,” “Libya” and “Somalia” do not appear in any panel title. Instead, the NYU panel features discussion topics such as “Queer(ing) Marxism,” “Women’s Strikes in the Age of Feminization,” “The International Women’s Strike and the Anticapitalist Feminist Movement,” “Silencing the Subaltern: Resistance & Gender in Postcolonial Theory,” “Concerning Violence: Subjections, Resistance, Subversions,” “Adorno: Subjectivity and Critique,” “New Directions in Marxist/Feminist Theory,” “Race, Repetition, Rebellion: The Political Economy of Surplus,” and “Late Althusser: Politics and Theoretical Practice.” Any connections that the radicalized middle class once had to anti-imperialism or socialism are long gone. The categories of analysis they employ have nothing to do with class or historical materialism. War, social inequality and poverty all take a back seat to what really interests them: race, gender and their own sex lives. > ______________________________ _________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana. net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss ______________________________ _________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun May 14 13:22:24 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 13:22:24 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?b?RndkOiBEb25hbGTCoFRydW1wOsKgVGhlwqBS?= =?utf-8?b?YXfCoGFuZMKgTmFrZWTCoEZhY2XCoG9mwqBhwqBTeXN0ZW3CoFRoYXTCoFNo?= =?utf-8?b?b3dlcnPCoFNwZWN1bGF0b3JzwqB3aXRowqBPYnNjZW5lwqBSaWNoZXPCoA==?= References: Message-ID: > > Watch this video from The Real News Network, I think you’ll find it interesting. Or read the brief article. > > http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2996 From jbw292002 at gmail.com Mon May 15 02:49:57 2017 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 21:49:57 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Fwd: Donald Trump: The Raw and Naked Face of a System That Showers Speculators with Obscene Riches Message-ID: There didn't seem to be a video. On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Karen Aram via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Watch this video from The Real News Network, I think you’ll find it > interesting. Or read the brief article. > > > > http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2996 > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 15 11:34:12 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 11:34:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Donald Trump: The Raw and Naked Face of a System That Showers Speculators with Obscene Riches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, they may have taken it down. You’ll just have to read it. “The Real News” is a pretty good online news network. On May 14, 2017, at 19:49, John W. > wrote: There didn't seem to be a video. On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Karen Aram via Peace > wrote: > Watch this video from The Real News Network, I think you’ll find it interesting. Or read the brief article. > > http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2996 _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 15 13:45:57 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 13:45:57 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] So much blood now on her hands, hero from the past. Message-ID: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » Burmese government rejects international inquiry into anti-Rohingya pogrom By John Roberts WSWS.ORG 15 May 2017 A European tour by the Burmese (Myanmar) head of government Aung San Suu Kyi this month has been marked by shameless hypocrisy, outright lies and cover-up of the campaign by the military and nationalist thugs to terrorise the country’s Rohingya Muslim minority. On May 2 in Brussels, the European Union headquarters, Suu Kyi, flatly rejected a fact-finding investigation mission proposed on March 24 at the annual meeting of the 47-member UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) in Geneva. The military’s campaign in Rakhine state, bordering Bangladesh, seeks to drive Rohingyas from the country. The offensive began last October after attacks, allegedly by Rohingya militants, on border posts that killed nine members of the security forces. The “clearance operation” has the full backing and complicity of Suu Kyi’s National League for Democracy (NLD) government. UN reports from February, based on hundreds of interviews with refugees in Bangladesh and satellite imagery, provided evidence of murders, rape, pillaging, kidnappings and the burning of whole villages. Over 70,000 Rohingya had fled the country, joining over 300,000 living in squalid camps in Bangladesh, with many more dispersed throughout South and South East Asia. At a joint press conference with Suu Kyi, EU foreign affairs commissioner Federica Mogherini said the EU supported the UNHRC mission, saying it would the reveal the truth “about the past” by “establishing the facts.” Standing beside Mogherini, Suu Kyi declared: “We do not agree with it. We have dissociated ourselves from the resolution because we do not think it is in keeping with what is happening on the ground.” As state counsellor and foreign minister, Suu Kyi heads a hybrid government in which the NLD shares power as a junior partner with the country’s military. Both groups are mired in anti-Rohingya chauvinism that dominates the Burmese political establishment. This coalition was established under a 2008 constitution imposed by the military junta that exercised a brutal dictatorship for over half a century. The generals continue to retain veto power over constitutional changes and exercise direct control over key state bodies, including the defence, home affairs and border security ministries. The Brussels statement is not Suu Kyi’s first attempt to cover up the military’s crimes against the Rohingya. Last November, her office issued a statement that no crimes were being committed because the armed forces command said so. On April 6, as UN reports made clear the extent of the pogrom, and international concerns increased, Suu Kyi made a rare personal statement. She told the BBC no “cleansing operation” was underway in the closed-off province and expressed her support for the army. “They are free to go in and fight,” she said, “military matters are to be left to the army.” Military commander Min Aung Hlaing, who played a major role in installing Suu Kyi, made the military’s position clear in March. He said Rohingya were illegal “Bengali” immigrants who had no right to live in Burma. In reality, many Rohingya families have lived in the region for generations, but have been largely denied citizenship. Suu Kyi’s Brussels statement was her most explicit on an international stage. Long promoted by the Western powers as a “democrat,” she publicly supported the pogrom in Rakhine and rejected any international scrutiny. Nevertheless, the European political establishment continued to fete her. Mogherini said there was one point of difference but many other issues of agreement, and other progress during the NLD’s 12 months in office. Suu Kyi’s trip included meetings with the Pope and Belgium’s King Philippe and Prime Minister Charles Michel. She also met Britain’s Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles and was granted the Freedom of the City of London, the financial capital. That award cited her “non-violent struggle over many years for democracy and her steadfast dedication to create a society where people can live in peace, security and freedom.” The UNHRC resolution itself proposed a watered-down investigation based on the assumption of cooperation from Burmese authorities. It was drafted as a result of direct intervention by EU diplomats at the Geneva meeting. The UN has been complicit in covering up developments in the Rakhine region. Since 2012 the campaign against the Rohingya has continued with various levels of violence without any major UN response. The intensity of the current offensive has created a large refugee outflow, creating a regional crisis that forced the UN to act. Yanghee Lee, the UN special rapporteur on human rights in Burma, and UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra’as al-Hussein urged the Geneva meeting to “at a minimum” establish a Commission of Inquiry (COI), the UN’s highest form of investigation, and al-Hussein spoke of a review by the International Criminal Court. EU diplomats blocked the COI proposal, eventually settling on a more limited fact-finding mission, with the clear intention of protecting Suu Kyi. The Burmese UN ambassador rejected the plan, however. Significant geopolitical and economic interests are involved. The Obama administration worked to bring the NLD into office to wedge Burma away from China as part of Washington’s strategy of undercutting Beijing’s influence in Asia. Washington took advantage of the junta’s need to end Western sanctions and lessen its economic and political dependence on China. With an eye to its own global interests, the EU jumped in to begin the lifting of sanctions. EU corporations covet Burma’s largely untapped natural resources and potential as a cheap labour platform. As part of its own machinations, Suu Kyi’s government has maintained a relationship with Beijing. In April, she sent Burmese President Htin Kyaw and a delegation to China to sign economic agreements and reaffirm Burma’s support for the One China policy. Beijing, in turn, promised to help the regime in its efforts to end conflicts with ethnic groups along China’s borders and gave Burma a non-interference assurance in the Rakhine. Suu Kyi spent five days in China last August and is due to arrive again on May 14 to discuss further participation in China’s One Belt infrastructure initiative across Eurasia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 15 13:45:57 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 13:45:57 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] So much blood now on her hands, hero from the past. Message-ID: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » Burmese government rejects international inquiry into anti-Rohingya pogrom By John Roberts WSWS.ORG 15 May 2017 A European tour by the Burmese (Myanmar) head of government Aung San Suu Kyi this month has been marked by shameless hypocrisy, outright lies and cover-up of the campaign by the military and nationalist thugs to terrorise the country’s Rohingya Muslim minority. On May 2 in Brussels, the European Union headquarters, Suu Kyi, flatly rejected a fact-finding investigation mission proposed on March 24 at the annual meeting of the 47-member UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) in Geneva. The military’s campaign in Rakhine state, bordering Bangladesh, seeks to drive Rohingyas from the country. The offensive began last October after attacks, allegedly by Rohingya militants, on border posts that killed nine members of the security forces. The “clearance operation” has the full backing and complicity of Suu Kyi’s National League for Democracy (NLD) government. UN reports from February, based on hundreds of interviews with refugees in Bangladesh and satellite imagery, provided evidence of murders, rape, pillaging, kidnappings and the burning of whole villages. Over 70,000 Rohingya had fled the country, joining over 300,000 living in squalid camps in Bangladesh, with many more dispersed throughout South and South East Asia. At a joint press conference with Suu Kyi, EU foreign affairs commissioner Federica Mogherini said the EU supported the UNHRC mission, saying it would the reveal the truth “about the past” by “establishing the facts.” Standing beside Mogherini, Suu Kyi declared: “We do not agree with it. We have dissociated ourselves from the resolution because we do not think it is in keeping with what is happening on the ground.” As state counsellor and foreign minister, Suu Kyi heads a hybrid government in which the NLD shares power as a junior partner with the country’s military. Both groups are mired in anti-Rohingya chauvinism that dominates the Burmese political establishment. This coalition was established under a 2008 constitution imposed by the military junta that exercised a brutal dictatorship for over half a century. The generals continue to retain veto power over constitutional changes and exercise direct control over key state bodies, including the defence, home affairs and border security ministries. The Brussels statement is not Suu Kyi’s first attempt to cover up the military’s crimes against the Rohingya. Last November, her office issued a statement that no crimes were being committed because the armed forces command said so. On April 6, as UN reports made clear the extent of the pogrom, and international concerns increased, Suu Kyi made a rare personal statement. She told the BBC no “cleansing operation” was underway in the closed-off province and expressed her support for the army. “They are free to go in and fight,” she said, “military matters are to be left to the army.” Military commander Min Aung Hlaing, who played a major role in installing Suu Kyi, made the military’s position clear in March. He said Rohingya were illegal “Bengali” immigrants who had no right to live in Burma. In reality, many Rohingya families have lived in the region for generations, but have been largely denied citizenship. Suu Kyi’s Brussels statement was her most explicit on an international stage. Long promoted by the Western powers as a “democrat,” she publicly supported the pogrom in Rakhine and rejected any international scrutiny. Nevertheless, the European political establishment continued to fete her. Mogherini said there was one point of difference but many other issues of agreement, and other progress during the NLD’s 12 months in office. Suu Kyi’s trip included meetings with the Pope and Belgium’s King Philippe and Prime Minister Charles Michel. She also met Britain’s Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles and was granted the Freedom of the City of London, the financial capital. That award cited her “non-violent struggle over many years for democracy and her steadfast dedication to create a society where people can live in peace, security and freedom.” The UNHRC resolution itself proposed a watered-down investigation based on the assumption of cooperation from Burmese authorities. It was drafted as a result of direct intervention by EU diplomats at the Geneva meeting. The UN has been complicit in covering up developments in the Rakhine region. Since 2012 the campaign against the Rohingya has continued with various levels of violence without any major UN response. The intensity of the current offensive has created a large refugee outflow, creating a regional crisis that forced the UN to act. Yanghee Lee, the UN special rapporteur on human rights in Burma, and UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra’as al-Hussein urged the Geneva meeting to “at a minimum” establish a Commission of Inquiry (COI), the UN’s highest form of investigation, and al-Hussein spoke of a review by the International Criminal Court. EU diplomats blocked the COI proposal, eventually settling on a more limited fact-finding mission, with the clear intention of protecting Suu Kyi. The Burmese UN ambassador rejected the plan, however. Significant geopolitical and economic interests are involved. The Obama administration worked to bring the NLD into office to wedge Burma away from China as part of Washington’s strategy of undercutting Beijing’s influence in Asia. Washington took advantage of the junta’s need to end Western sanctions and lessen its economic and political dependence on China. With an eye to its own global interests, the EU jumped in to begin the lifting of sanctions. EU corporations covet Burma’s largely untapped natural resources and potential as a cheap labour platform. As part of its own machinations, Suu Kyi’s government has maintained a relationship with Beijing. In April, she sent Burmese President Htin Kyaw and a delegation to China to sign economic agreements and reaffirm Burma’s support for the One China policy. Beijing, in turn, promised to help the regime in its efforts to end conflicts with ethnic groups along China’s borders and gave Burma a non-interference assurance in the Rakhine. Suu Kyi spent five days in China last August and is due to arrive again on May 14 to discuss further participation in China’s One Belt infrastructure initiative across Eurasia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cge at shout.net Mon May 15 16:28:09 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 11:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE leaflets the Art Theatre on Tuesday, May 16, 6-7pm, on U.S. crimes in Yemen In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> Message-ID: [Champaign's Art Theatre is presenting films and a panel on Yemen tomorrow.] "'The Mulberry House' This screening is part of THE SEVENTH ART STAND Tue, May 16 at 7:00pm "Filmmaker Sara Ishaq grew up in Yemen to a Yemeni father and a Scottish mother. As a teenager, she became increasingly suffocated by the constraints of her surroundings, and at age 17, finally decided to move to Scotland, where her mother now resides. Her father, however, would only approve under the condition that she would not forsake her Yemeni roots – a promise she made, but could not keep. Ten years later, in 2011, Sara returns to Yemen prepared to reconnect with her long-severed roots, only to find her country teetering on the brink of a revolution. THE MULBERRY HOUSE focuses on the shifting dynamics between women and men within the context of a modern Yemeni family, testing all preconceived ideas about identity, customs, and familial and social bonds. (2013, Sara Ishaq, Yemen-Scotland, 65 min, HD, Eng subs) "Preceded by: KARAMA HAS NO WALLS (2013, 26 min, digital. In Arabic with English subtitles.) Ishaq’s earlier film is a gripping, eye-witness account of the tragic day – March 18, 2011 – that changed the course of the revolution in Yemen, when pro-government snipers opened fire on a peaceful gathering of protesters, sparking national outrage and ultimately leading to the end of 33 years of autocratic rule. "Post-show discussion w/ Hadi Esfahani & Angela Williams (Center for South Asian & Middle Eastern Studies)" ==================================================== [The Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana will be distributing the following flyer outside the theater before the film. You're welcome to join us for leafleting and discussion.] VOICES FOR CREATIVE NONVIOLENCE | CHICAGO, ILLINOIS | MARCH 20, 2017 {outline map of MENA - Mideast and North Africa} REALITY AND THE U.S.-MADE FAMINE IN YEMEN | KATHY KELLY {Kathy Kelly (kathy at vcnv.org) co-coordinates Voices for Creative Nonviolence (www.vcnv.org)} This week at the Voices for Creative Nonviolence office in Chicago, my colleague Sabia Rigby prepared a presentation for a local high school. She’ll team up with a young friend of ours, himself a refugee from Iraq, to talk about refugee crises driven by war. Sabia recently returned from Kabul where she helped document the young Afghan Peace Volunteers’ efforts to help bring warmth, food and education to internally displaced families living in makeshift camps, having fled the Afghan War when it raged near their former homes. Last year Sabia had been visiting with refugees in “the Calais Jungle,” who were fleeing the Middle East and several African countries for Britain. Thwarted from crossing the English Channel, a large mass of people were stopped in this refugee camp in Calais, France, from which French authorities eventually evacuated them, defying their careful solidarity and burning their camp to the ground. As part of her high school talk, Sabia prepared a handout to show where refugees are the most welcomed. One detail astonished her. In FY 2016, the U.S. admitted 84,995 refugees, but Yemen, the poorest country in the Arab world took in 117,000 new refugees and migrants in 2016, and hosts more than 255,000 refugees from Somalia. Yemen is now beginning to host the world’s worst humanitarian crisis. What’s more, the country is regularly targeted by Saudi and U.S. airstrikes. Since we are also planning a week of fast and action related to the tragic circumstances Yemen faces, we were astounded when we realized Yemen is a path of escape for Somalis fleeing the Horn of Africa, refugees of one conflict, stranded in their flight, and trapped in a country where deadly conflict is precipitating into deadlier famine. After years of U.S. support for dictator Ali Abdullah Saleh, civil war has wracked Yemen since 2014. Its neighbor Saudi Arabia, itself among the region’s cruelest dictatorships and a staunch U.S. ally, became nervous in 2015 about the outcome and, with support from nine regional allies, began subjecting the country to a punishing barrage of airstrikes, and also imposed a blockade that ended the inflow of food and supplies to Yemen through a major port. This was accomplished with massive, ongoing weapons shipments from the U.S., which has also waged independent airstrikes that have killed dozens of civilians, including women and children. Pummeled by airstrikes and fighting, facing economic collapse and on the brink of famine, how could this tiny, impoverished country absorb thousands upon thousands of desperate migrants? Yemen imports 90% of its food. Because of the blockade, food and fuel prices are rising and scarcity is at crisis levels. UNICEF estimates that more than 460,000 children in Yemen face severe malnutrition, and 3.3 million children and pregnant or lactating women suffer acute malnutrition. More than 10,000 people have been killed, including 1,564 children, and millions have been displaced from their homes, but worse is the groundwork laid for the far greater devastation of famine. Iona Craig, in the IRIN publication, recently wrote: In the middle of a vast expanse of grey scrubland, a rapidly growing population of more than 120 families huddle under parched trees. Escaping the latest wave of conflict on Yemen’s Red Sea coast, they walked two days to get to this camp southwest of Taiz city. But on arrival, the scores of women and children found nothing. No support from aid agencies. No food. No water. No shelter. The elderly talk of eating the trees to survive, while children beg for water from local farmers. A mother cradles her clearly malnourished baby in her arms. Now comes word that on March 16th, forty-two Somali people were killed in sustained gunfire from the air as they set forth in a boat attempting to flee Yemen. “I took cover in the belly of the ship,” said Ibrahim Ali Zeyad, a Somali who survived the attack. “People were falling left and right. Everyone kept screaming, ‘We are Somali! We are Somali!’” But the shooting continued for what felt like half an hour. The attack on Yemen traps both Yemenis and fleeing Somalis in the worst of four developing crises which collectively amount, one U.N. official warns, to the worst humanitarian crisis in the history of the U.N. As of this writing, no one has taken responsibility for the strike, but survivors say they were attacked by a helicopter gunship. The boat was carrying 140 people as it headed north off the coast of Yemen. Meanwhile, US weapons makers, including General Dynamics, Raytheon, and Lockheed Martin, profit massively from weapon sales to Saudi Arabia. In December, 2017, Medea Benjamin wrote: “Despite the repressive nature of the Saudi regime, U.S. governments have not only supported the Saudis on the diplomatic front, but militarily. Under the Obama administration, this has translated into massive weapons sales of $115 billion.” At this critical juncture, all member states of the UN must call for an end to the blockade and airstrikes, a silencing of all guns, and a negotiated settlement to the war in Yemen. The worst malefactors, the U.S. and Saudi Arabia, must abandon cynical maneuvering against rivals like Iran, in the face of such an unspeakable human cost as Yemen is being made to pay. U.S. people bear responsibility to demand a radical departure from U.S. policy which exacerbates the deadly tragedy faced by people living in Yemen. Choosing a path of clear opposition to U.S. policies toward Yemen, U.S. citizens should demand elected representatives stop all drone attacks and military “special operations” within Yemen, end all U.S. weapon sales and military aid to Saudi Arabia, and provide compensation to those who suffered losses caused by U.S. attacks. Our group of activists long functioned under the name “Voices in the Wilderness,” a campaign to defy U.S. economic warfare against Iraq, a form of war through imposition of economic sanctions which directly contributed to the deaths of over 500,000 children. Lost in a culture of hostile unreality and unbearable silence concerning economic warfare, we were evoking, perhaps unconsciously, the plight of refugees seeking survival. We didn’t succeed in lifting the brutal economic sanctions against Iraq, but we surely learned harsh realities about how callous and reckless U.S. policy makers could be. We must ground ourselves in reality and in solidarity with the greater part of the world’s people. As our neighbors around the world flee in desperation across borders or within the confines of their own countries, we must continually educate ourselves about the reality of what our nation’s actions mean to the world’s poor. Building toward a time when our voices may unite and be heard, we must raise them now in crying out for the people of Yemen. {ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at ~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast ~ Medicare for all ~ Universal basic income ~} ### From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon May 15 16:36:17 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 16:36:17 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?b?Rlc6IFlFTUVOOiDigJxTYXVkaXMsIEVtaXJh?= =?utf-8?q?tis_and_USA_are_Inflicting_a_War_of_Genocide_Against_the_Houthi?= =?utf-8?q?s_=7E_Prof=2E_Francis_Boyle?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: "Francis Boyle" - BingNews Posted on: Thursday, March 30, 2017 12:00 PM Author: "Francis Boyle" - BingNews Subject: YEMEN: “Saudis, Emiratis and USA are Inflicting a War of Genocide Against the Houthis ~ Prof. Francis Boyle “In a nutshell the Saudis, Emiratis and the USA are inflicting a war of genocide against the Houthis,” University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle said on Thursday. Any increase in US military support for the Saudi-led ... View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon May 15 18:00:05 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 18:00:05 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Will the Moon Rise in Korea? Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: "Francis Boyle" - BingNews Posted on: Sunday, May 14, 2017 12:20 PM Author: "Francis Boyle" - BingNews Subject: Will the Moon Rise in Korea? Below I’ve posted some thoughts on these questions from long-time peace activist and international law professor Francis Boyle. As a fellow human rights lawyer I have great respect for President Moon and his pronounced willingness to carry on the ... View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 15 18:33:07 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 18:33:07 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Trump(ets) of Doom: On Bringing der Fuehrer Back Home References: <11050395.2818.0@wordpress.com> Message-ID: No mention of our expanded wars under Obama, but the point has been made. It’s also amusing: Respond to this post by replying above this line New post on Smoke and Mirrors [http://1.gravatar.com/blavatar/71c401cdd13b08a361e28195c5cae882?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2Fs0.wp.com%2Fi%2Femails%2Fblavatar.png] [http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/5af2cf3964f6ce7ef87f07a4f8c6bf0e?s=50&d=identicon&r=G] Trump(ets) of Doom: On Bringing der Fuehrer Back Home by mjw51 As a 60s teen who read Camus and Sartre and fancied himself an existentialist, I used to think that all serious moral-ethical-political challenges were in the past and all we could do now was ask ourselves what we would have done had we been German in the 30s or whether we would have gone to fight like Orwell in the Spanish Civil War. Somehow growing long hair, dropping acid and protesting the Vietnam war, or getting kicked out of high-school for refusing to stand for the Lord's Prayer (among other things), just didn't quite reach the level of the political and ethical challenges to personal integrity that confronted so many in the 30s. It never occurred to me then that hindsight (especially the hindsight embodied in a historical tendency to valorize "the left" in the literary world that I entered almost every time I opened a book) might have been creating a clarity that people alive at the time could not possibly have experienced in reaching for a decision about which road to take. I realize now that part of the reason nothing in my then-contemporary environment seemed to require the level of moral-political commitment that had characterized the left in the 30s was due to the elevation of fascism, especially in its Nazi variety, to the heights of metaphysical evil. I mean, LBJ was bad, but he wasn't Hitler, right? Ultimately the Vietnam war killed around 3 million SE Asians and devastated 3 countries. The United States used chemical weapons, anti-personnel bombs and massive non-stop terror bombing as well as torture and assassination in a pointless and ultimately fruitless display of callous disregard for international law and human life. But within a few years, American politicians, American media and Americans in all walks of life were wallowing in self-pity over the Vietnam Syndrome and the high cost of gasoline. Oh, and the 58 thousand American soldiers who died so that 3 million SE Asians--men, women and children-- would never again threaten American freedoms. By the end of that episode of mass murder in the service of democracy, a majority of Americans had come around to the view that the war was a bad thing. The mind boggled. The combination of Richard Nixon and the Kent State shootings had somehow trumped the mindless slaughter and finally motivated Americans to oppose the war. In recent years, various Arab dictators have been promoted to "Hitler-status" as the American public is primed for yet another war on yet another poor country filled with yet more non-white people whose children will die in massive numbers so that freedom and democracy can replace the Hitler du jour who oppresses them. While domestic politics in the United States often revolves around what looks like nothing more or less than a game of "victim-victim, who is the victim?", foreign policy often revolves around the question of "who is the Hitler that the American war machine needs to take out next?" This is known as liberal interventionism. So it's liberal. Putting aside the utility of maintaining a pervasive awareness of a "Hitler-Nazi = Ultimate Evil" equation for the apartheid and genocidal state of Israel, it is even more obvious that by never quite reaching the levels of iniquity of Nazi Germany, Americans can usually obscure their own marked tendency to mass slaughter from themselves. The Vietnam War in popular memory was not so much an American travesty as it was a Nixon crime. Gulf War II was not an American crime against humanity so much as it was a Bush crime, a Rumsfeld crime, a Cheney and a neocon crime. It is never about America and Americans and their constant rush to support American wars. But along comes Trump, a genuinely ugly and vulgar man from the get-go. Suddenly Americans are able to envision a homegrown Hitler and an American Fascism sprouting all around them like unwelcome weeds on the otherwise pristine suburban lawn surrounded by the white picket fence of American feigned innocence. The man isn't in office for a month and "Antifa" are out in skinny jeans and hoodies bashing fashis and setting off fireworks in order to keep media darlings like Ann Coulter from speaking at universities. A "Resistance" springs up, and immediately all kinds of folks who'd gladly bomb the shit out of brown folks are "anti-fascist". It's almost as if history began, yet again, on the day Donald Trump was elected President of the United States. And what distinguishes Trump and "the Trump era" and "Trumpism" from all the other American administrations that have deliberately and consciously slaughtered millions of non-white poor people? Racism apparently. Who knew? mjw51 | May 15, 2017 at 2:43 pm | Categories: Uncategorized | URL: http://wp.me/pKmIb-Js Comment See all comments Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from Smoke and Mirrors. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions. Trouble clicking? 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It’s also amusing: Respond to this post by replying above this line New post on Smoke and Mirrors [http://1.gravatar.com/blavatar/71c401cdd13b08a361e28195c5cae882?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2Fs0.wp.com%2Fi%2Femails%2Fblavatar.png] [http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/5af2cf3964f6ce7ef87f07a4f8c6bf0e?s=50&d=identicon&r=G] Trump(ets) of Doom: On Bringing der Fuehrer Back Home by mjw51 As a 60s teen who read Camus and Sartre and fancied himself an existentialist, I used to think that all serious moral-ethical-political challenges were in the past and all we could do now was ask ourselves what we would have done had we been German in the 30s or whether we would have gone to fight like Orwell in the Spanish Civil War. Somehow growing long hair, dropping acid and protesting the Vietnam war, or getting kicked out of high-school for refusing to stand for the Lord's Prayer (among other things), just didn't quite reach the level of the political and ethical challenges to personal integrity that confronted so many in the 30s. It never occurred to me then that hindsight (especially the hindsight embodied in a historical tendency to valorize "the left" in the literary world that I entered almost every time I opened a book) might have been creating a clarity that people alive at the time could not possibly have experienced in reaching for a decision about which road to take. I realize now that part of the reason nothing in my then-contemporary environment seemed to require the level of moral-political commitment that had characterized the left in the 30s was due to the elevation of fascism, especially in its Nazi variety, to the heights of metaphysical evil. I mean, LBJ was bad, but he wasn't Hitler, right? Ultimately the Vietnam war killed around 3 million SE Asians and devastated 3 countries. The United States used chemical weapons, anti-personnel bombs and massive non-stop terror bombing as well as torture and assassination in a pointless and ultimately fruitless display of callous disregard for international law and human life. But within a few years, American politicians, American media and Americans in all walks of life were wallowing in self-pity over the Vietnam Syndrome and the high cost of gasoline. Oh, and the 58 thousand American soldiers who died so that 3 million SE Asians--men, women and children-- would never again threaten American freedoms. By the end of that episode of mass murder in the service of democracy, a majority of Americans had come around to the view that the war was a bad thing. The mind boggled. The combination of Richard Nixon and the Kent State shootings had somehow trumped the mindless slaughter and finally motivated Americans to oppose the war. In recent years, various Arab dictators have been promoted to "Hitler-status" as the American public is primed for yet another war on yet another poor country filled with yet more non-white people whose children will die in massive numbers so that freedom and democracy can replace the Hitler du jour who oppresses them. While domestic politics in the United States often revolves around what looks like nothing more or less than a game of "victim-victim, who is the victim?", foreign policy often revolves around the question of "who is the Hitler that the American war machine needs to take out next?" This is known as liberal interventionism. So it's liberal. Putting aside the utility of maintaining a pervasive awareness of a "Hitler-Nazi = Ultimate Evil" equation for the apartheid and genocidal state of Israel, it is even more obvious that by never quite reaching the levels of iniquity of Nazi Germany, Americans can usually obscure their own marked tendency to mass slaughter from themselves. The Vietnam War in popular memory was not so much an American travesty as it was a Nixon crime. Gulf War II was not an American crime against humanity so much as it was a Bush crime, a Rumsfeld crime, a Cheney and a neocon crime. It is never about America and Americans and their constant rush to support American wars. But along comes Trump, a genuinely ugly and vulgar man from the get-go. Suddenly Americans are able to envision a homegrown Hitler and an American Fascism sprouting all around them like unwelcome weeds on the otherwise pristine suburban lawn surrounded by the white picket fence of American feigned innocence. The man isn't in office for a month and "Antifa" are out in skinny jeans and hoodies bashing fashis and setting off fireworks in order to keep media darlings like Ann Coulter from speaking at universities. A "Resistance" springs up, and immediately all kinds of folks who'd gladly bomb the shit out of brown folks are "anti-fascist". It's almost as if history began, yet again, on the day Donald Trump was elected President of the United States. And what distinguishes Trump and "the Trump era" and "Trumpism" from all the other American administrations that have deliberately and consciously slaughtered millions of non-white poor people? Racism apparently. Who knew? mjw51 | May 15, 2017 at 2:43 pm | Categories: Uncategorized | URL: http://wp.me/pKmIb-Js Comment See all comments Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from Smoke and Mirrors. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions. Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: https://mjw51.wordpress.com/2017/05/15/trumpets-of-doom-on-bringing-der-fuehrer-back-home/ Thanks for flying with [https://s0.wp.com/i/emails/blavatar-default.png] WordPress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Mon May 15 18:48:37 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 18:48:37 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] More Chinese "soft power" Message-ID: <51F7DD40-8A6F-4217-B3A1-3B09FDA62661@illinois.edu> U.S. Companies Court Chinese Infrastructure Spending New York Times DealBook 5/15/17 By Sei Chong China plans a $1 trillion spending spree to invest in infrastructure all over the world in an initiative called “One Belt, One Road.” The money has not yet been earmarked, but American companies are already looking at ways to get a piece of the action. For example, Citibank won a contract last month to handle a $3 billion bond offering from Bank of China, which aims to use the money to open branches across Asia, Eastern Europe and East Africa. A big hurdle to winning bids though, is China’s preference for its own companies. One way for American companies to increase their chances would be to increase manufacturing in China, not in the United States, to satisfy Beijing’s requirements that some of the work be done locally. James Zimmerman, a former chairman of the American Chamber of Commerce in China, is skeptical that non-Chinese companies can benefit from the spending. “Tell us what we are going to get out of this,” he said, referring to the West. “It’s a nonstarter if it’s all about bringing Chinese goods to Europe, or if it’s all one way.” # # # From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 15 19:31:58 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 19:31:58 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] More Chinese "soft power" In-Reply-To: <51F7DD40-8A6F-4217-B3A1-3B09FDA62661@illinois.edu> References: <51F7DD40-8A6F-4217-B3A1-3B09FDA62661@illinois.edu> Message-ID: It’s actually $5 trillion. And American companies getting a “piece” of the action might mean “peace," instead of the US usual war. See below: [Honour guards march before a welcoming ceremony ahead of the Belt and Road forum at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China, on May 13. Photo: Reuters] Honour guards march before a welcoming ceremony ahead of the Belt and Road forum at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China, on May 13. Photo: Reuters CHINABELT AND ROAD FORUMOPINION Peace, harmony and happiness, plus a deluge of yuan Inclusive globalization, win-win global trade, Made in China 2025 ... President Xi uses Belt and Road Forum to explain how sprawling trade initiative will change China and the world By PEPE ESCOBAR MAY 15, 2017 2:48 AM (UTC+8) * * * * * * 4,212 * 26 President Xi Jinping, in his keynote speech that opened the two-day Belt and Road Forum for International Cooperation in Beijing, did his best to explain the future of the New Silk Roads. Xi said that the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) – that what was once “One Belt, One Road” (OBOR) – is a multilateral project set to bring “peace, harmony and happiness” across Eurasia by “strategically connecting” nations as diverse as Russia, Mongolia, Turkey and Vietnam through development plans that are already operational. And, he added, they will be a success because extra funds are already on their way. THE DAILYBrief Must-reads from across Asia - directly to your inbox Xi told his audience, that included Russian President Vladimir Putin, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte and a host of other world leaders and top ranking officials, that he had proposed an additional RMB 780 billion (approximately US$113 billion) to be disbursed through multiple sources. These include the Silk Road Fund; the China Development Bank; the Export and Import Bank of China and also overseas capital provided by Chinese banks. The Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) is not part – at least not yet – of this proposed package. That’s still a long way towards fulfilling Asia’s gargantuan infrastructure needs – estimated to be at least $5 trillion up to 2022. Economic logic certainly points to connectivity between Asia and Europe compressing as mutual trade multiplies. Italy and the UK are already enthusiastic supporters of OBOR/BRI. As too are Germany’s industrialists. [China's route through Pakistan to the Arabian Sea. Image: Agence France-Presse] China’s route through Pakistan to the Arabian Sea. Image: Agence France-Presse Significantly, before the summit, Xi was in a phone call with new French President Emmanuel Macron, who took power this Sunday. Xi not only offered the requisite support for EU integration; he encouraged Macron to buy into the New Silk Roads – which are not exactly understood in France’s business and media – as part of a unified EU strategy. There’s no question that this massive attempt at infrastructure building – pipelines, ports, roads, high-speed rail, fiber-optic cables – that aims to unify Eurasia into a seamless trade emporium is the definitive 21st century geoeconomic/geopolitical project. OBOR/BRI will configure Globalization Mark II, or which Xi in Davos defined as “inclusive globalization”. Which is really the same as interpreting OBOR/BRI as “de-Americanized globalization”. And OBOR/BRI will certainly act as an essential component of Xi’s Made in China 2025 strategy and the now central aspirational “Chinese Dream” concept. The initiative has become the trade/economic foreign policy arm of Xi’s drive to move China into the status of a “moderately affluent” society. What Xi is aiming at during the Beijing summit is to address two key but controversial points. How China proposes to finance OBOR/BRI. And how to build a consensus that this is a Eurasia-wide “win-win” operation. About that black or white cat New Silk Road activity is already frantic. Take the China-Europe Railway Express for for instance. It spans 51 different rail links with freight trains already connecting 27 Chinese and 28 European cities. There’s also a planned rail line between China and Laos and a high-speed rail between Yunnan province in China and Thailand. In Malaysia there is Kuantan port industrial park and aluminium and palm oil processing. In Turkey three state-owned Chinese companies are turning the country’s third largest port, Kumport, into a key OBOR/BRI node. Among all these myriad projects, arguably the most ambitious is the US$46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). It’s a complex network of roads, rail, oil/gas pipelines, ports, airports and special economic zones linking Xinjiang to Gwadar port in Balochistan and is first New Silk Road project to get direct investment from the Silk Road Fund. In November 2016, an upgraded and extended Karakoram highway linked this Arabian Sea port with the ancient Chinese silk road of Kashgar. As Xi has stressed, China, beyond CPEC, will get even closer, geopolitically, to Pakistan under the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). Cue to India throwing tantrums – and then sending a low-level delegation to the Beijing summit. That could be said to be counterproductive because China and India’s development strategies are not mutually exclusive. India is the second largest shareholder of the AIIB, after China and both China and India are equal partners in the New Development Bank (NDB) – the BRICS bank – which is not directly implicated in financing OBOR/BRI projects. And most of all China and India are both members of the Bangladesh-China-India-Myanmar Economic Corridor (BCIM-EC); that has the aim of – what else – economic development. BCIM-EC could either become a branch of OBOR/BRI or proceed as a stand-alone mechanism, with equal voice by all members. So to upgrade Deng Xiaoping. “It doesn’t matter if the New Silk Road cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice”. And catching mice in the 21st century means Eurasia integration. * * * * On May 15, 2017, at 11:48, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss > wrote: U.S. Companies Court Chinese Infrastructure Spending New York Times DealBook 5/15/17 By Sei Chong China plans a $1 trillion spending spree to invest in infrastructure all over the world in an initiative called “One Belt, One Road.” The money has not yet been earmarked, but American companies are already looking at ways to get a piece of the action. For example, Citibank won a contract last month to handle a $3 billion bond offering from Bank of China, which aims to use the money to open branches across Asia, Eastern Europe and East Africa. A big hurdle to winning bids though, is China’s preference for its own companies. One way for American companies to increase their chances would be to increase manufacturing in China, not in the United States, to satisfy Beijing’s requirements that some of the work be done locally. James Zimmerman, a former chairman of the American Chamber of Commerce in China, is skeptical that non-Chinese companies can benefit from the spending. “Tell us what we are going to get out of this,” he said, referring to the West. “It’s a nonstarter if it’s all about bringing Chinese goods to Europe, or if it’s all one way.” # # # _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon May 15 19:47:03 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 14:47:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] More Chinese "soft power" In-Reply-To: References: <51F7DD40-8A6F-4217-B3A1-3B09FDA62661@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And here's Escobar’s follow-up: >. > On May 15, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > It’s actually $5 trillion. And American companies getting a “piece” of the action might mean “peace," instead of the US usual war. > > See below: > > > Honour guards march before a welcoming ceremony ahead of the Belt and Road forum at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China, on May 13. Photo: Reuters > CHINA BELT AND ROAD FORUM OPINION > Peace, harmony and happiness, plus a deluge of yuan > > Inclusive globalization, win-win global trade, Made in China 2025 ... President Xi uses Belt and Road Forum to explain how sprawling trade initiative will change China and the world > > By PEPE ESCOBAR MAY 15, 2017 2:48 AM (UTC+8) > <> 4,212 26 > President Xi Jinping, in his keynote speech that opened the two-day Belt and Road Forum for International Cooperation in Beijing, did his best to explain the future of the New Silk Roads. > > Xi said that the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) – that what was once “One Belt, One Road” (OBOR) – is a multilateral project set to bring “peace, harmony and happiness” across Eurasia by “strategically connecting” nations as diverse as Russia, Mongolia, Turkey and Vietnam through development plans that are already operational. And, he added, they will be a success because extra funds are already on their way. > > THE DAILY > Brief > > Must-reads from across Asia - directly to your inbox > > Xi told his audience, that included Russian President Vladimir Putin, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte and a host of other world leaders and top ranking officials, that he had proposed an additional RMB 780 billion (approximately US$113 billion) to be disbursed through multiple sources. > > These include the Silk Road Fund; the China Development Bank; the Export and Import Bank of China and also overseas capital provided by Chinese banks. The Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) is not part – at least not yet – of this proposed package. > > That’s still a long way towards fulfilling Asia’s gargantuan infrastructure needs – estimated to be at least $5 trillion up to 2022. > > Economic logic certainly points to connectivity between Asia and Europe compressing as mutual trade multiplies. Italy and the UK are already enthusiastic supporters of OBOR/BRI. As too are Germany’s industrialists. > > China’s route through Pakistan to the Arabian Sea. Image: Agence France-Presse > Significantly, before the summit, Xi was in a phone call with new French President Emmanuel Macron, who took power this Sunday. Xi not only offered the requisite support for EU integration; he encouraged Macron to buy into the New Silk Roads – which are not exactly understood in France’s business and media – as part of a unified EU strategy. > > There’s no question that this massive attempt at infrastructure building – pipelines, ports, roads, high-speed rail, fiber-optic cables – that aims to unify Eurasia into a seamless trade emporium is the definitive 21st century geoeconomic/geopolitical project. > > OBOR/BRI will configure Globalization Mark II, or which Xi in Davos defined as “inclusive globalization”. > > Which is really the same as interpreting OBOR/BRI as “de-Americanized globalization” . > > And OBOR/BRI will certainly act as an essential component of Xi’s Made in China 2025 strategy and the now central aspirational “Chinese Dream” concept. The initiative has become the trade/economic foreign policy arm of Xi’s drive to move China into the status of a “moderately affluent” society. > > What Xi is aiming at during the Beijing summit is to address two key but controversial points. How China proposes to finance OBOR/BRI. And how to build a consensus that this is a Eurasia-wide “win-win” operation. > > About that black or white cat > > New Silk Road activity is already frantic. Take the China-Europe Railway Express for for instance. It spans 51 different rail links with freight trains already connecting 27 Chinese and 28 European cities. There’s also a planned rail line between China and Laos and a high-speed rail between Yunnan province in China and Thailand. In Malaysia there is Kuantan port industrial park and aluminium and palm oil processing. In Turkey three state-owned Chinese companies are turning the country’s third largest port, Kumport, into a key OBOR/BRI node. > > Among all these myriad projects, arguably the most ambitious is the US$46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). It’s a complex network of roads, rail, oil/gas pipelines, ports, airports and special economic zones linking Xinjiang to Gwadar port in Balochistan and is first New Silk Road project to get direct investment from the Silk Road Fund. > > In November 2016, an upgraded and extended Karakoram highway linked this Arabian Sea port with the ancient Chinese silk road of Kashgar. > > As Xi has stressed, China, beyond CPEC, will get even closer, geopolitically, to Pakistan under the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). > > Cue to India throwing tantrums – and then sending a low-level delegation to the Beijing summit. > > That could be said to be counterproductive because China and India’s development strategies are not mutually exclusive. India is the second largest shareholder of the AIIB, after China and both China and India are equal partners in the New Development Bank (NDB) – the BRICS bank – which is not directly implicated in financing OBOR/BRI projects. > > And most of all China and India are both members of the Bangladesh-China-India-Myanmar Economic Corridor (BCIM-EC); that has the aim of – what else – economic development. BCIM-EC could either become a branch of OBOR/BRI or proceed as a stand-alone mechanism, with equal voice by all members. > > So to upgrade Deng Xiaoping. “It doesn’t matter if the New Silk Road cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice”. And catching mice in the 21st century means Eurasia integration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On May 15, 2017, at 11:48, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> U.S. Companies Court Chinese Infrastructure Spending >> New York Times DealBook 5/15/17 >> By Sei Chong >> >> China plans a $1 trillion spending spree to invest in infrastructure all over the world in an initiative called “One Belt, One Road.” The money has not yet been earmarked, but American companies are already looking at ways to get a piece of the action. >> For example, Citibank won a contract last month to handle a $3 billion bond offering from Bank of China, which aims to use the money to open branches across Asia, Eastern Europe and East Africa. >> A big hurdle to winning bids though, is China’s preference for its own companies. >> One way for American companies to increase their chances would be to increase manufacturing in China, not in the United States, to satisfy Beijing’s requirements that some of the work be done locally. >> James Zimmerman, a former chairman of the American Chamber of Commerce in China, is skeptical that non-Chinese companies can benefit from the spending. “Tell us what we are going to get out of this,” he said, referring to the West. “It’s a nonstarter if it’s all about bringing Chinese goods to Europe, or if it’s all one way.” >> # >> # # >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's not about "defending" the country - it's about lining the pockets and filling the off-shore bank accounts of the 1% who supply the arms and seek to control the resources of other countries. The politicians and the people who buy them are perfectly willing to sacrifice the lives of our young people to further their greed. And if the kid does come home, they will not be cared for or cared about - funding has been cut for veteran benefits by Congress on a regular basis. David James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue May 16 02:03:14 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 02:03:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?FW=3A_Criminal_Prosecution_Call_?= =?windows-1252?q?for_NSA_Officials_Silent_About_=27WannaCry=92_Virus_Thre?= =?windows-1252?q?at?= Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:59 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Criminal Prosecution Call for NSA Officials Silent About 'WannaCry’ Virus Threat https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201705161053647646-nsa-wannacry-virus-prosecution/ University of Illinois International Law Professor Francis Boyle said the NSA’s clandestine possession of the virus reflected the vast scope of its own secret and illicit hacking operations around the world. "The Biggest Hacker in the World today is the NSA, which is one of the most lawless branches of the United States government, operating in gross violation of the US Constitution and International Law," he said. NSA secret operations had also targeted sovereign governments, Boyle pointed out. The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) logo is displayed in the lobby of CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia, on August 14, 2008 © AFP 2017/ SAUL LOEB New Wikileaks 'Vault-7' Batch Reveals Top Secret CIA Virus Control System HIVE Countries subjected to such attacks included "but [were] not limited to illegal offensive hack attacks against Iran and North Korea that we know of, as well as spying upon all the American People in blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution," Boyle stated. The Fourth Amendment expressly requires a warrant based upon probable cause, Boyle also remarked. Boyle dismissed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) set up by President Jimmy Carter and most recently revised by President Barack Obama as a hollow excuse to allow the US Deep State to continue carrying out unlimited secret surveillance activities. "The so-called FISA Court that is supposed to supervise the NSA is nothing more than a kangaroo court with a rubber stamp that has eviscerated the Fourth Amendment and International Law," he said. Regular US federal judges destroyed their own reputations when they agreed to serve on such courts, Boyle maintained. It is an absolute disgrace that any reputable Article III US federal judge would serve on the FISA Court and the FISA Appeals Court, Boyle added. ... 0 0 From r-szoke at illinois.edu Tue May 16 04:50:29 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 04:50:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] At 92, the only surviving Nuremberg prosecutor Message-ID: <3D6AC0A8-D228-413E-87D1-95E0AA2B0DCD@illinois.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » Media claims Trump revealed classified information to Russian visitors By Patrick Martin 16 May 2017 A sensationalized report published on the web site of the Washington Post Monday afternoon claims that President Trump conveyed classified information to two high-ranking Russian officials during their well-publicized meeting last Wednesday at the White House. The article, headlined, “Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian diplomats,” claims that Trump discussed possible terrorist attacks by ISIS using laptops carried on passenger aircraft during a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. According to the Post report, Trump disclosed information obtained from “a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the US government, officials said. The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State.” The newspaper claimed that after the meeting, recognizing the potential damage, White House officials called the CIA and the National Security Agency, which were in contact with the government that was the source of the information on ISIS. The incident, assuming it is accurately reported and not a piece of deliberate disinformation from the US intelligence apparatus, suggests, among other things, that at least one country allied with Washington still maintains friendly relations with ISIS. Both Saudi Arabia and Qatar come to mind. Washington itself played a role in the creation of the Islamic fundamentalist group, initially built up as part of the US regime-change operation in Syria directed at the government of Bashar al-Assad, Russia’s only ally in the Middle East. ISIS only came into direct conflict with the US after it sent forces across the Syria-Iraq border in 2014, and particularly after its rout of the Iraqi Army in the capture of Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city, in June 2014. ISIS has been sustained since then with supplies and new recruits who have been able to reach its landlocked territory either through Turkey—a NATO ally of the United States—or through Saudi Arabia and Iraq, both non-NATO allies of the US. Any one of these countries, as well as the sheikdom of Qatar, which has heavily financed Sunni fundamentalist groups like ISIS, could be the “U.S. partner” described in the Post report. In terms of US domestic politics, the Post report is clearly aimed at providing another boost for the anti-Russian campaign alleging that the Trump presidential campaign colluded with Russian intelligence agencies in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. No significant evidence has yet been produced to substantiate claims that the Russian government was responsible for the hacking of materials subsequently published by WikiLeaks. Nor has there been any evidence of Trump-Russia collusion. The anti-Russia campaign has been launched in opposition to Trump’s initial suggestions of a more cooperative relationship with Moscow, including a pullback from efforts to overthrow Assad in Syria, to focus more military resources on China and East Asia. The nature of the security breach alleged in the Post article hardly justifies the screaming headlines in the newspaper, the breathless reports that led the Monday evening news broadcasts on ABC and CBS, and the hours of cable television coverage that have ensued. Trump’s major blunder, if the report is accurate, is to share information about potential ISIS terrorism with Russia without having permission to do so from the “U.S. partner,” an action that “jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State,” according to the Post. From the standpoint of the deepening US political crisis, the main question raised by the Post report is how details of a closed-door meeting in the Oval Office made its way to the newspaper. The most likely sources are the CIA and NSA. The two spy agencies were either represented at the meeting or informed of Trump’s comments afterwards by White House homeland security adviser Thomas Bossert. In other words, the Post report is another shot fired in the internecine war within the American state apparatus, initially focused on foreign policy, particularly in relation to Syria and Russia, but more generally provoked by the personalist, authoritarian character of the Trump administration, and Trump’s role as a loose cannon in both domestic and foreign policy. White House officials flatly rebuffed the Post claims that Trump released information inappropriately. “The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation,” H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser said in a statement. “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly.” The Post claims that Trump revealed to Lavrov and Kislyak the name of a city in ISIS territory where the details of the new terrorist threat had been learned, but the newspaper would not reveal this name to its readers, “at the urging of officials who warned that revealing them would jeopardize important intelligence capabilities.” In other words, the newspaper chose to enlist in the ranks of the military-intelligence officials waging political warfare against Trump. 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Join us, if you wish. ============== VOICES FOR CREATIVE NONVIOLENCE | CHICAGO, ILLINOIS | MARCH 20, 2017 REALITY AND THE U.S.-MADE FAMINE IN YEMEN | KATHY KELLY This week at the Voices for Creative Nonviolence office in Chicago, my colleague Sabia Rigby prepared a presentation for a local high school. She’ll team up with a young friend of ours, himself a refugee from Iraq, to talk about refugee crises driven by war. Sabia recently returned from Kabul where she helped document the young Afghan Peace Volunteers’ efforts to help bring warmth, food and education to internally displaced families living in makeshift camps, having fled the Afghan War when it raged near their former homes. Last year Sabia had been visiting with refugees in “the Calais Jungle,” who were fleeing the Middle East and several African countries for Britain. Thwarted from crossing the English Channel, a large mass of people were stopped in this refugee camp in Calais, France, from which French authorities eventually evacuated them, defying their careful solidarity and burning their camp to the ground. As part of her high school talk, Sabia prepared a handout to show where refugees are the most welcomed. One detail astonished her. In FY 2016, the U.S. admitted 84,995 refugees, but Yemen, the poorest country in the Arab world took in 117,000 new refugees and migrants in 2016, and hosts more than 255,000 refugees from Somalia. Yemen is now beginning to host the world’s worst humanitarian crisis. What’s more, the country is regularly targeted by Saudi and U.S. airstrikes. Since we are also planning a week of fast and action related to the tragic circumstances Yemen faces, we were astounded when we realized Yemen is a path of escape for Somalis fleeing the Horn of Africa, refugees of one conflict, stranded in their flight, and trapped in a country where deadly conflict is precipitating into deadlier famine. After years of U.S. support for dictator Ali Abdullah Saleh, civil war has wracked Yemen since 2014. Its neighbor Saudi Arabia, itself among the region’s cruelest dictatorships and a staunch U.S. ally, became nervous in 2015 about the outcome and, with support from nine regional allies, began subjecting the country to a punishing barrage of airstrikes, and also imposed a blockade that ended the inflow of food and supplies to Yemen through a major port. This was accomplished with massive, ongoing weapons shipments from the U.S., which has also waged independent airstrikes that have killed dozens of civilians, including women and children. Pummeled by airstrikes and fighting, facing economic collapse and on the brink of famine, how could this tiny, impoverished country absorb thousands upon thousands of desperate migrants? Yemen imports 90% of its food. Because of the blockade, food and fuel prices are rising and scarcity is at crisis levels. UNICEF estimates that more than 460,000 children in Yemen face severe malnutrition, and 3.3 million children and pregnant or lactating women suffer acute malnutrition. More than 10,000 people have been killed, including 1,564 children, and millions have been displaced from their homes, but worse is the groundwork laid for the far greater devastation of famine. Iona Craig, in the IRIN publication, recently wrote: “In the middle of a vast expanse of grey scrubland, a rapidly growing population of more than 120 families huddle under parched trees. Escaping the latest wave of conflict on Yemen’s Red Sea coast, they walked two days to get to this camp southwest of Taiz city. “But on arrival, the scores of women and children found nothing. No support from aid agencies. No food. No water. “No shelter. The elderly talk of eating the trees to survive, while children beg for water from local farmers. A mother cradles her clearly malnourished baby in her arms.” Now comes word that on March 16th, forty-two Somali people were killed in sustained gunfire from the air as they set forth in a boat attempting to flee Yemen. “I took cover in the belly of the ship,” said Ibrahim Ali Zeyad, a Somali who survived the attack. “People were falling left and right. Everyone kept screaming, ‘We are Somali! We are Somali!’” But the shooting continued for what felt like half an hour. The attack on Yemen traps both Yemenis and fleeing Somalis in the worst of four developing crises which collectively amount, one U.N. official warns, to the worst humanitarian crisis in the history of the U.N. As of this writing, no one has taken responsibility for the strike, but survivors say they were attacked by a helicopter gunship. The boat was carrying 140 people as it headed north off the coast of Yemen. Meanwhile, US weapons makers, including General Dynamics, Raytheon, and Lockheed Martin, profit massively from weapon sales to Saudi Arabia. In December, 2017, Medea Benjamin wrote: “Despite the repressive nature of the Saudi regime, U.S. governments have not only supported the Saudis on the diplomatic front, but militarily. Under the Obama administration, this has translated into massive weapons sales of $115 billion.” At this critical juncture, all member states of the UN must call for an end to the blockade and airstrikes, a silencing of all guns, and a negotiated settlement to the war in Yemen. The worst malefactors, the U.S. and Saudi Arabia, must abandon cynical maneuvering against rivals like Iran, in the face of such an unspeakable human cost as Yemen is being made to pay. U.S. people bear responsibility to demand a radical departure from U.S. policy which exacerbates the deadly tragedy faced by people living in Yemen. Choosing a path of clear opposition to U.S. policies toward Yemen, U.S. citizens should demand elected representatives stop all drone attacks and military “special operations” within Yemen, end all U.S. weapon sales and military aid to Saudi Arabia, and provide compensation to those who suffered losses caused by U.S. attacks. Our group of activists long functioned under the name “Voices in the Wilderness,” a campaign to defy U.S. economic warfare against Iraq, a form of war through imposition of economic sanctions which directly contributed to the deaths of over 500,000 children. Lost in a culture of hostile unreality and unbearable silence concerning economic warfare, we were evoking, perhaps unconsciously, the plight of refugees seeking survival. We didn’t succeed in lifting the brutal economic sanctions against Iraq, but we surely learned harsh realities about how callous and reckless U.S. policy makers could be. We must ground ourselves in reality and in solidarity with the greater part of the world’s people. As our neighbors around the world flee in desperation across borders or within the confines of their own countries, we must continually educate ourselves about the reality of what our nation’s actions mean to the world’s poor. Building toward a time when our voices may unite and be heard, we must raise them now in crying out for the people of Yemen. {Kathy Kelly (kathy at vcnv.org) co-coordinates Voices for Creative Nonviolence (www.vcnv.org )} ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at ~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast ~ Medicare for all ~ Universal basic income ~ ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 16:59:22 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] An important discussion (transcript provided) In-Reply-To: <1533443159.1123807.1494971255880@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1533443159.1123807.1494971255880.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1533443159.1123807.1494971255880@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Also discussed on today’s AWARE ON THE AIR. > On May 16, 2017, at 4:47 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Trump Heads to Saudi Arabia - Target Iran and Iraq? > > > > Trump Heads to Saudi Arabia - Target Iran and Iraq? > By The Real News Network > Sabah Alnasseri and Paul Jay discuss the Trump/Saudi plan for an anti-Iran Arab alliance and to use ISIS as just... > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed May 17 02:25:32 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 21:25:32 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Why You Should Visit Russia In-Reply-To: <591b520743e18_1cecd4e72df07923465@ip-10-0-0-61.mail> References: <591b520743e18_1cecd4e72df07923465@ip-10-0-0-61.mail> Message-ID: <7345A4C4-04C6-420C-8984-7B8712A9D594@illinois.edu> In this generation Russian rulers have built up their cities and the economic supports for the majority, while US rulers have destroyed theirs. (Contrast Moscow with large US cities.) At some point, the US majority will demand that its standard of living improve to approach that of the Russian ‘middle class.’ Instead, a generation of US administrations - from Clinton to Obama - have tried to do what they could to destroy the Russian economy (and have done much the same for the economic prospects of the US majority, while serving the interests of the1%). Herbert Stein's Law: "If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.” —CGE > On May 16, 2017, at 2:24 PM, David Swanson via WarIsACrime.org wrote: > > Why You Should Visit Russia > > By David Swanson > http://davidswanson.org/why-you-should-visit-russia/ > > Just back from a week in Moscow, I feel obliged to point out a few things about it. > > • Most people there still love Americans. > • Many people there speak English. > • Learning basic Russian is not that hard. > • Moscow is the biggest city in Europe (and far bigger than any in the United States). > • Moscow has the charm, culture, architecture, history, activities, events, parks, museums, and entertainment to match any other city in Europe. > • It’s warm there now with flowers everywhere. > • Moscow is safer than U.S. cities. You can walk around alone at night with no worries. > • The Metro goes everywhere. A train comes every 2 minutes. The trains have free Wi-Fi. So do the parks. > • You can rent bicycles at lots of different spots and return them to any other. > • You can fly direct from New York to Moscow, and if you fly on the Russian airline Aeroflot you’ll get a nostalgic reminder of what it’s like to have airplane seats large enough to hold a human being. > • Everybody says that St. Petersburg and various other cities are even more beautiful than Moscow. > • Right now the sun is up from 4:00 a.m. to 8:30 p.m. in Moscow, and until 9:30 p.m. in St. Petersburg. The longest day of the year in St. Petersburg is 18-and-a-half hours. > > > Americans seem not to know about Russia. While four-and-a-half million Americans visit Italy in a year, and two-and-a-half million go to Germany as tourists, only 86 thousand go to Russia. 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To update your email address or to stop receiving emails from David Swanson, please click here. > > From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed May 17 11:34:10 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 11:34:10 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Release of Chelsea Manning Message-ID: Whistleblower Chelsea Manning to be released from prison today By Genevieve Leigh WSWS.ORG 17 May 2017 Army private Chelsea Manning, the military intelligence analyst who made public evidence of US war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, is scheduled to be released from military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, today after completing more than 7 years of her 35-year prison sentence. Chelsea Manning was arrested by the Army in 2010 after providing WikiLeaks with hundreds of thousands of internal Army “incident logs” and about 250,000 diplomatic cables from American embassies around the world. In August 2013, she pleaded guilty to 20 of 22 charges against her and was sentenced to 35 years in prison, a sentence 10 times longer than any previous punishment imposed on a federal employee, military or civilian, for leaking classified information. After receiving the sentence, Manning announced that she was transgendered and took the name Chelsea Manning (previously she had identified as a man and was known by the name of Bradley Manning). She later began hormone therapy and requested gender reassignment surgery, which the Army repeatedly denied. The release of Chelsea Manning is a politically significant event. Manning is rightfully a hero in the eyes of millions of workers and young people around the world who recognize what extraordinary courage it took to inform the American public about the criminal actions being carried out by the US military. The number of crimes exposed by the material provided by Manning is staggering. Included in the leaked material was the infamous video that went on to be published on the Internet by WikiLeaks under the title “Collateral Murder,” showing an American helicopter attack on civilians in Baghdad that killed 16 people, including two Reuters journalists. Other documents including “after-action reports” describing US soldiers’ experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan, proving that civilian deaths were far higher than officially acknowledged. The cables revealed damning evidence of official US lying, including dossiers on the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay proving that most of them had no significant role in terrorist operations. Despite the massive evidence provided, not a single person was jailed, arrested, or even charged for any of the documented crimes. Instead, the military brass together with the Obama administration ruthlessly persecuted Manning for what is a far greater “crime” in the eyes of the ruling class: exposing the murderous nature of the US war machine. The US political and military establishment, seething with anger, used Chelsea Manning to set an example for any other potential whistleblowers. The retaliation was merciless. Immediately following the revelations, Manning was forcibly detained in an outdoor cage in an attempt to break her psychologically. From July 2010 to April 2011, she was held under atrocious conditions at Quantico Marine brig in Virginia, much of that time stripped naked as a “security” measure. All told, Chelsea Manning spent nearly a year and a half in solitary confinement, 23 hours a day, a form of detention classified as torture by human rights groups. After sentencing, conditions would continue to worsen for Manning, leading to two separate attempts to take her own life, for which she was threatened with more severe treatment. Just last year, the Army considered sentencing Manning to indefinite solitary confinement for possessing unauthorized reading material and an expired tube of toothpaste. President Obama commuted Manning’s sentence to just over seven years, in one of his final actions before leaving office January 20. This was no great humanitarian action, as some sought to characterize it at the time, but rather a calculation that the global image of US imperialism would suffer if, as appeared likely, Manning had been driven by her ordeal to carry out a third and successful suicide attempt. It was Obama and Hillary Clinton, in particular, who spearheaded the persecution of Manning and other whistleblowers. The class hatred of the Democratic Party toward Manning is demonstrated by their silence as she reaches her final day in prison. Moreover, under conditions where the Democratic Party is lining up with the military-intelligence apparatus to indict the Trump administration for handing over “secrets” to Russian envoys, the Democrats wish to distance themselves as much as possible from the example of Chelsea Manning, who offended the CIA and Pentagon by handing over evidence of their crimes to the American people. Manning has kept in touch with her supporters and the outside world throughout her experience mainly through Twitter. Recently, she wrote of her pending release: “I want that indescribable feeling of connection with people and nature again, without razor wire or a visitation booth. I want to be able to hug my family and friends again. And swimming—I want to go swimming!” It has recently been reported that Manning, who is now 29, will remain an active duty soldier in the U.S. Army after today’s release. She will be placed on voluntary excess leave rather than being discharged. While it is technically possible, it is highly unlikely that she will be called to actual military service. Under this status she will be unpaid, but will have access to health care and other benefits that will allow her to complete her gender reassignment surgery. It should be noted that these benefits are not guaranteed. If Manning’s appeal of her court-martial conviction is denied, she could be dishonorably discharged and lose her health benefits. Manning has not publicly announced any plans for what she will do after today beyond her surgery. Her ACLU attorney, Chase Strangio, told NBC News, “She is waiting to experience life outside of prison before declaring any future plans. ... After so many years of government control over her body and gender, I know she is eager to grow her hair, express her gender and negotiate decisions on her own terms.” While Manning’s release from prison will grant her physical freedom, she will still be restricted in many ways. One important aspect of the voluntary excess leave status is that it makes her vulnerable to new military retribution if she “steps out of line” in the eyes of the military establishment. Manning’s military defense counsel, David Coombs, told NBC News that “Chelsea is still subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). ... She wouldn’t be charged again for the same offenses, but if she committed a new crime, the military would still have jurisdiction over her.” An offense warranting military action includes things such as a fistfight, speaking or writing critically of the political or military establishment, or revealing previously unreleased classified information. “You would want to be careful in terms of what you want to write or say if you’re still under military control,” Coombs warned. “Let’s say you write something critical, now you run the real chance of being called on the carpet for that.” Nonetheless, Manning has voiced some critical political views through Twitter since her commutation. In a guest column in Britain’s Guardian, Manning wrote that “after eight years of attempted compromise and relentless disrespect in return, we are moving into darker times.” Additionally, Manning has said former president Barack Obama left a “vulnerable legacy,” noting that he had achieved “very few permanent accomplishments.” The persecution of more whistleblowers than all other administrations combined, including Chelsea Manning, will forever be a hallmark of the Obama administration. This policy was embraced by all prominent members of the Democratic party, including then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who in December 2011, while Manning was being tortured and persecuted, defended the campaign against her on the grounds that “some information which is sensitive, which does affect the security of individuals and relationships, deserves to be protected and we will continue to take necessary steps to do so.” For its part, the Trump administration, determined to outdo the reactionary policies of the Obama administration in every way, has recently escalated the witch-hunt and persecution of other prominent whistleblowers—Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, and Edward Snowden, the NSA whistleblower now in forced exile in Russia. Snowden, in a recent comment, expressed his solidarity with Manning’s ongoing struggle, saying, “I’m grateful that Chelsea will finally have a chance to enjoy the freedoms she gave so much to defend. Courage to her—and volume to her voice.” The increasingly vicious crackdown on whistleblowers reveals most openly the immense fear within the ruling establishment of growing opposition within the working class. The true face of US imperialism has again and again been exposed with the help of brave individuals like Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden. The defense of these individuals, and an end to the crimes that they have risked their lives to expose, can only come from the mobilization of the international working class. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed May 17 11:57:31 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 11:57:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] David Green's Letter in News Gazette Message-ID: Yeah, "science" and "scientists" must have been like this during Nazi Germany. Ditto for "lawyers" and the "law". 70 years after World War II, the Nazis have won. Fab Stanlingrad We got off the boat at the dock Walking into town I was asked Could I lay some flowers At the War Memorial On the Banks of the Volga? Of course I said yes Honored and pleased My Dad had fought the Japanese At Saipan and Tinian and Okinawa Nazis were not his war But We were all Allies together In the Noble Cause to Defeat Fascism As I neared the Statue On the Banks of the Volga Young Komsomol Girl appeared All dressed in white Carrying a wreath of red roses She gave to me A band was playing Joyful, not somber, but subdued Town Elders assembled Sun was shining Most beautiful day On the Banks of the Volga I lay my wreath of roses To the Defenders and Victims of Stalingrad Bowed my head in silent reflection If the Soviets had not held at Stalingrad All Europe today would be speaking German And saluting: Heil Hitler! Deutschland, Deutschland But not Uber Alles My Dad was smiling On the Banks of the Volga ; Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed May 17 13:20:05 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 13:20:05 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Impeachment? Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:16 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Impeachment? Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers Is not war the ultimate blowjob? Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. 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URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Wed May 17 14:19:01 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 14:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] My N-G letter of the month References: <1334941200.1834543.1495030741041.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334941200.1834543.1495030741041@mail.yahoo.com> I read with interest May Berenbaum’s  (5/7) conclusion that the March for Science “wasnot about scientists as a special interest group—it was … in support of scienceas an economic engine for the state and the nation, as a force for fairness andjustice, and as a defining dimension of our community's character.”However, scientific research as such is at best neutral inrelation to these endeavors, and at worst subject to complicity with economicexploitation, social inequality, and resulting effects on community character,including those which result from perpetual aggressive wars.Societies noted for their advanced science and technologyperpetrated the Holocaust, invaded Vietnam, and enforce apartheid in occupied Palestine.In the midst of the Vietnam War, our greatest cognitivescientist and political dissident, Noam Chomsky, wrote “It is theresponsibility of intellectuals to speak the truth and to expose lies. This, atleast, may seem enough of a truism to pass over without comment. Not so,however. For the modern intellectual, it is not at all obvious.”During the subsequent half-century, neoliberal policies supportedby “the best and brightest” have determined that American workers can no longerbe allowed to produce their consumer items; can no longer afford what they doproduce without indebtedness; and can no longer be allowed free higher (includingscientific) education. But scientific research continues apace, especially thatwhich leads reliably to corporate profit, but only randomly to generalprogress.This critique may seem far afield from entomology, butperhaps it shouldn’t be. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Wed May 17 14:21:56 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 14:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Release of Chelsea Manning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <644138353.1848273.1495030916928@mail.yahoo.com> And the behavior of mainstream LGBTQ organizations, including the Human Rights Campaign, has been abysmal: The LGBTQ Movement is an Intersectional Fail | | | | | | | | | | | The LGBTQ Movement is an Intersectional Fail In recent years “intersectionality” has been the biggest buzz word in progressive circles, liberally sprinkled i... | | | | On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:34 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: Whistleblower Chelsea Manning to be released from prison today By Genevieve Leigh WSWS.ORG   17 May 2017 Army private Chelsea Manning, the military intelligence analyst who made public evidence of US war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, is scheduled to be released from military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, today after completing more than 7 years of her 35-year prison sentence.Chelsea Manning was arrested by the Army in 2010 after providing WikiLeaks with hundreds of thousands of internal Army “incident logs” and about 250,000 diplomatic cables from American embassies around the world. In August 2013, she pleaded guilty to 20 of 22 charges against her and was sentenced to 35 years in prison, a sentence 10 times longer than any previous punishment imposed on a federal employee, military or civilian, for leaking classified information.After receiving the sentence, Manning announced that she was transgendered and took the name Chelsea Manning (previously she had identified as a man and was known by the name of Bradley Manning). She later began hormone therapy and requested gender reassignment surgery, which the Army repeatedly denied.The release of Chelsea Manning is a politically significant event. Manning is rightfully a hero in the eyes of millions of workers and young people around the world who recognize what extraordinary courage it took to inform the American public about the criminal actions being carried out by the US military.The number of crimes exposed by the material provided by Manning is staggering. Included in the leaked material was the infamous video that went on to be published on the Internet by WikiLeaks under the title “Collateral Murder,” showing an American helicopter attack on civilians in Baghdad that killed 16 people, including two Reuters journalists.Other documents including “after-action reports” describing US soldiers’ experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan, proving that civilian deaths were far higher than officially acknowledged. The cables revealed damning evidence of official US lying, including dossiers on the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay proving that most of them had no significant role in terrorist operations.Despite the massive evidence provided, not a single person was jailed, arrested, or even charged for any of the documented crimes. Instead, the military brass together with the Obama administration ruthlessly persecuted Manning for what is a far greater “crime” in the eyes of the ruling class: exposing the murderous nature of the US war machine. The US political and military establishment, seething with anger, used Chelsea Manning to set an example for any other potential whistleblowers.The retaliation was merciless. Immediately following the revelations, Manning was forcibly detained in an outdoor cage in an attempt to break her psychologically. From July 2010 to April 2011, she was held under atrocious conditions at Quantico Marine brig in Virginia, much of that time stripped naked as a “security” measure. All told, Chelsea Manning spent nearly a year and a half in solitary confinement, 23 hours a day, a form of detention classified as torture by human rights groups.After sentencing, conditions would continue to worsen for Manning, leading to two separate attempts to take her own life, for which she was threatened with more severe treatment. Just last year, the Army considered sentencing Manning to indefinite solitary confinement for possessing unauthorized reading material and an expired tube of toothpaste.President Obama commuted Manning’s sentence to just over seven years, in one of his final actions before leaving office January 20. This was no great humanitarian action, as some sought to characterize it at the time, but rather a calculation that the global image of US imperialism would suffer if, as appeared likely, Manning had been driven by her ordeal to carry out a third and successful suicide attempt.It was Obama and Hillary Clinton, in particular, who spearheaded the persecution of Manning and other whistleblowers. The class hatred of the Democratic Party toward Manning is demonstrated by their silence as she reaches her final day in prison. Moreover, under conditions where the Democratic Party is lining up with the military-intelligence apparatus to indict the Trump administration for handing over “secrets” to Russian envoys, the Democrats wish to distance themselves as much as possible from the example of Chelsea Manning, who offended the CIA and Pentagon by handing over evidence of their crimes to the American people.Manning has kept in touch with her supporters and the outside world throughout her experience mainly through Twitter. Recently, she wrote of her pending release: “I want that indescribable feeling of connection with people and nature again, without razor wire or a visitation booth. I want to be able to hug my family and friends again. And swimming—I want to go swimming!”It has recently been reported that Manning, who is now 29, will remain an active duty soldier in the U.S. Army after today’s release. She will be placed on voluntary excess leave rather than being discharged. While it is technically possible, it is highly unlikely that she will be called to actual military service. Under this status she will be unpaid, but will have access to health care and other benefits that will allow her to complete her gender reassignment surgery. It should be noted that these benefits are not guaranteed. If Manning’s appeal of her court-martial conviction is denied, she could be dishonorably discharged and lose her health benefits.Manning has not publicly announced any plans for what she will do after today beyond her surgery. Her ACLU attorney, Chase Strangio, told NBC News, “She is waiting to experience life outside of prison before declaring any future plans. ... After so many years of government control over her body and gender, I know she is eager to grow her hair, express her gender and negotiate decisions on her own terms.”While Manning’s release from prison will grant her physical freedom, she will still be restricted in many ways. One important aspect of the voluntary excess leave status is that it makes her vulnerable to new military retribution if she “steps out of line” in the eyes of the military establishment. Manning’s military defense counsel, David Coombs, told NBC News that “Chelsea is still subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). ... She wouldn’t be charged again for the same offenses, but if she committed a new crime, the military would still have jurisdiction over her.”An offense warranting military action includes things such as a fistfight, speaking or writing critically of the political or military establishment, or revealing previously unreleased classified information. “You would want to be careful in terms of what you want to write or say if you’re still under military control,” Coombs warned. “Let’s say you write something critical, now you run the real chance of being called on the carpet for that.”Nonetheless, Manning has voiced some critical political views through Twitter since her commutation. In a guest column in Britain’s Guardian, Manning wrote that “after eight years of attempted compromise and relentless disrespect in return, we are moving into darker times.” Additionally, Manning has said former president Barack Obama left a “vulnerable legacy,” noting that he had achieved “very few permanent accomplishments.”The persecution of more whistleblowers than all other administrations combined, including Chelsea Manning, will forever be a hallmark of the Obama administration. This policy was embraced by all prominent members of the Democratic party, including then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who in December 2011, while Manning was being tortured and persecuted, defended the campaign against her on the grounds that “some information which is sensitive, which does affect the security of individuals and relationships, deserves to be protected and we will continue to take necessary steps to do so.”For its part, the Trump administration, determined to outdo the reactionary policies of the Obama administration in every way, has recently escalated the witch-hunt and persecution of other prominent whistleblowers—Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, and Edward Snowden, the NSA whistleblower now in forced exile in Russia.Snowden, in a recent comment, expressed his solidarity with Manning’s ongoing struggle, saying, “I’m grateful that Chelsea will finally have a chance to enjoy the freedoms she gave so much to defend. Courage to her—and volume to her voice.”The increasingly vicious crackdown on whistleblowers reveals most openly the immense fear within the ruling establishment of growing opposition within the working class. The true face of US imperialism has again and again been exposed with the help of brave individuals like Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden. The defense of these individuals, and an end to the crimes that they have risked their lives to expose, can only come from the mobilization of the international working class._______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cge at shout.net Wed May 17 15:51:16 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 10:51:16 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] This week's AWARE ON THE AIR In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> Message-ID: <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> Recorded at Urbana Public Television on Tuesday 16 May: . ### From cge at shout.net Wed May 17 15:58:32 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 10:58:32 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune In-Reply-To: <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> Message-ID: <67ddb84dcd90b85ed6339a05eaf437a4@shout.net> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SD5QEEHNps&list=PL459B599460673620 From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed May 17 18:05:12 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 18:05:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Obama Called Trump a 'Bullsh*tter':Pot Calling Kettle Black Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:03 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Obama Called Trump a 'Bullsh*tter':Pot Calling Kettle Black http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/obama-called-trump-bullshtter?akid=15579.2196.ore133&rd=1&src=newsletter1077067&t=3 Obama learned how to become a World Class Bullshitter at Harvard Law School--A Magna Cum Laude Harvard Law Bullshitter. Fab. From moboct1 at aim.com Wed May 17 20:53:27 2017 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:53:27 -0400 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Big secret, really? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15c182fd5d5-2be3-6154@webprd-a86.mail.aol.com> It's beginning to look like the GOP-DNC/Deep State is set on getting the Apprentice President out of of office, so they can put their man they can control in place.I'm sick and tired of EVERY newscast starting and being preoccupied with the latest twittered outrage by the Apprentice, just like they did during the campaign.  Why do they do it?  I'll answer that: BIG $$$, a continuation of their $6 billion profit from the last election.  And it will continue so long as consumers of Trumpwatch can't get enough of his puerile behavior.  The way to arrest juvenile tantrums is to deny the attention they crave.  I suggest the media try that tactic which of course they won't as they mirror the same need for attention, which for both of them is motivated by profit.Midge O'Brien -----Original Message-----From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss To: Peace-discuss AWARE Sent: Tue, May 16, 2017 1:28 pmSubject: [Peace-discuss] Big secret, really?   PrintLeafletFeedbackShare » Media claims Trump revealed classified information to Russian visitors By Patrick Martin  16 May 2017 A sensationalized report published on the web site of the Washington Post Monday afternoon claims that President Trump conveyed classified information to two high-ranking Russian officials during their well-publicized meeting last Wednesday at the White House. The article, headlined, “Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian diplomats,” claims that Trump discussed possible terrorist attacks by ISIS using laptops carried on passenger aircraft during a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. According to the Post report, Trump disclosed information obtained from “a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the US government, officials said. The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State.” The newspaper claimed that after the meeting, recognizing the potential damage, White House officials called the CIA and the National Security Agency, which were in contact with the government that was the source of the information on ISIS. The incident, assuming it is accurately reported and not a piece of deliberate disinformation from the US intelligence apparatus, suggests, among other things, that at least one country allied with Washington still maintains friendly relations with ISIS. Both Saudi Arabia and Qatar come to mind. Washington itself played a role in the creation of the Islamic fundamentalist group, initially built up as part of the US regime-change operation in Syria directed at the government of Bashar al-Assad, Russia’s only ally in the Middle East. ISIS only came into direct conflict with the US after it sent forces across the Syria-Iraq border in 2014, and particularly after its rout of the Iraqi Army in the capture of Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city, in June 2014. ISIS has been sustained since then with supplies and new recruits who have been able to reach its landlocked territory either through Turkey—a NATO ally of the United States—or through Saudi Arabia and Iraq, both non-NATO allies of the US. Any one of these countries, as well as the sheikdom of Qatar, which has heavily financed Sunni fundamentalist groups like ISIS, could be the “U.S. partner” described in the Post report. In terms of US domestic politics, the Post report is clearly aimed at providing another boost for the anti-Russian campaign alleging that the Trump presidential campaign colluded with Russian intelligence agencies in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. No significant evidence has yet been produced to substantiate claims that the Russian government was responsible for the hacking of materials subsequently published by WikiLeaks. Nor has there been any evidence of Trump-Russia collusion. The anti-Russia campaign has been launched in opposition to Trump’s initial suggestions of a more cooperative relationship with Moscow, including a pullback from efforts to overthrow Assad in Syria, to focus more military resources on China and East Asia. The nature of the security breach alleged in the Post article hardly justifies the screaming headlines in the newspaper, the breathless reports that led the Monday evening news broadcasts on ABC and CBS, and the hours of cable television coverage that have ensued. Trump’s major blunder, if the report is accurate, is to share information about potential ISIS terrorism with Russia without having permission to do so from the “U.S. partner,” an action that “jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State,” according to the Post. >From the standpoint of the deepening US political crisis, the main question raised by the Post report is how details of a closed-door meeting in the Oval Office made its way to the newspaper. The most likely sources are the CIA and NSA. The two spy agencies were either represented at the meeting or informed of Trump’s comments afterwards by White House homeland security adviser Thomas Bossert. In other words, the Post report is another shot fired in the internecine war within the American state apparatus, initially focused on foreign policy, particularly in relation to Syria and Russia, but more generally provoked by the personalist, authoritarian character of the Trump administration, and Trump’s role as a loose cannon in both domestic and foreign policy. White House officials flatly rebuffed the Post claims that Trump released information inappropriately. “The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation,” H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser said in a statement. “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly.” The Post claims that Trump revealed to Lavrov and Kislyak the name of a city in ISIS territory where the details of the new terrorist threat had been learned, but the newspaper would not reveal this name to its readers, “at the urging of officials who warned that revealing them would jeopardize important intelligence capabilities.” In other words, the newspaper chose to enlist in the ranks of the military-intelligence officials waging political warfare against Trump. The reported blurting out of classified information to the Russians led several Democratic congressmen to recall Republican criticism of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton for being “extremely careless” with classified information that was found on the private email server she used while secretary of state. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From moboct1 at aim.com Wed May 17 20:55:56 2017 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:55:56 -0400 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Chelsea Manning Leaves Prison, Closing an Extraordinary Leak Case In-Reply-To: References: <591CB75F.00000051@pmta04.ewr1.nytimes.com> Message-ID: <15c18321a9d-2be3-6176@webprd-a86.mail.aol.com> Arguably the best (if not only) good thing Obama did during his eight years in office.Midge O'Brien-----Original Message-----From: Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss To: Peace-discuss AWARE Sent: Wed, May 17, 2017 3:54 pmSubject: [Peace-discuss] Chelsea Manning Leaves Prison, Closing an Extraordinary Leak Case From: r-szoke Subject: NYTimes.com: Chelsea Manning Leaves Prison, Closing an Extraordinary Leak Case Date: May 17, 2017 at 3:49:35 PM CDT Reply-To:   Sent by r-szoke at illinois.edu: Chelsea Manning Leaves Prison, Closing an Extraordinary Leak Case By CHARLIE SAVAGE Ms. Manning was released from military prison on Wednesday. The bulk of her sentence for leaking government secrets was commuted by President Barack Obama. Or, copy and paste this URL into your browser: https://nyti.ms/2qskt5s Copyright 2017 | The New York Times Company | NYTimes.com 620 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10018   _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed May 17 21:35:20 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:35:20 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Big secret, really? In-Reply-To: <15c182fd5d5-2be3-6154@webprd-a86.mail.aol.com> References: <15c182fd5d5-2be3-6154@webprd-a86.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <538B7880-1328-4CA5-BE1A-4C2CDC0C6629@illinois.edu> The Obama-Clinton administration went far towards provoking military confrontation with Russia and China, from Ukraine to the South China Sea. It's the fear of the US political establishment that the new administration will not keep that up; after all, Trump attacked that policy during the campaign. A belligerent US stance towards Russia and China serves the interests of the US 1% by retarding the economic integration of Eurasia, which is a challenge to the world economic dominance of the US 1%. "...there is a growing Washington consensus that consists of traditional liberals and progressives as well as Democratic globalist interventionists and neoconservatives who believe that Donald Trump must be removed from office no matter what it takes. The interventionists and neocons in particular already control most of the foreign policy mechanisms but they continue to see Trump as a possible impediment to their plans for aggressive action against a host of enemies, most particularly Russia. As they are desirous of bringing down Trump 'legally' through either impeachment or Article 25 of the Constitution which permits removal for incapacity, it might be termed a constitutional coup... "The rationale Trump haters have fabricated is simple: the president and his team colluded with the Russians to rig the 2016 election in his favor, which, if true, would provide grounds for impeachment. The driving force, in terms of the argument being made, is that removing Trump must be done 'for the good of the country' and to 'correct a mistake made by the American voters.' The mainstream media is completely on board of the process, including the outlets that flatter themselves by describing their national stature, most notably the New York Times and Washington Post. "...we are moving in a direction that is far more dangerous than Trump. A soft coup engineered by the national security and intelligence agencies would be far more dangerous to our democracy than anything Donald Trump can do.” —CGE > On May 17, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > It's beginning to look like the GOP-DNC/Deep State is set on getting the Apprentice President out of of office, so they can put their man they can control in place. > > I'm sick and tired of EVERY newscast starting and being preoccupied with the latest twittered outrage by the Apprentice, just like they did during the campaign. Why do they do it? I'll answer that: BIG $$$, a continuation of their $6 billion profit from the last election. And it will continue so long as consumers of Trumpwatch can't get enough of his puerile behavior. The way to arrest juvenile tantrums is to deny the attention they crave. I suggest the media try that tactic which of course they won't as they mirror the same need for attention, which for both of them is motivated by profit. > > Midge O'Brien > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > To: Peace-discuss AWARE > Sent: Tue, May 16, 2017 1:28 pm > Subject: [Peace-discuss] Big secret, really? > > Media claims Trump revealed classified information to Russian visitors > By Patrick Martin > 16 May 2017 > A sensationalized report published on the web site of the Washington Post Monday afternoon claims that President Trump conveyed classified information to two high-ranking Russian officials during their well-publicized meeting last Wednesday at the White House. > The article, headlined, “Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian diplomats,” claims that Trump discussed possible terrorist attacks by ISIS using laptops carried on passenger aircraft during a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. > According to the Post report, Trump disclosed information obtained from “a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the US government, officials said. The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State.” > The newspaper claimed that after the meeting, recognizing the potential damage, White House officials called the CIA and the National Security Agency, which were in contact with the government that was the source of the information on ISIS. > The incident, assuming it is accurately reported and not a piece of deliberate disinformation from the US intelligence apparatus, suggests, among other things, that at least one country allied with Washington still maintains friendly relations with ISIS. Both Saudi Arabia and Qatar come to mind. > Washington itself played a role in the creation of the Islamic fundamentalist group, initially built up as part of the US regime-change operation in Syria directed at the government of Bashar al-Assad, Russia’s only ally in the Middle East. ISIS only came into direct conflict with the US after it sent forces across the Syria-Iraq border in 2014, and particularly after its rout of the Iraqi Army in the capture of Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city, in June 2014. > ISIS has been sustained since then with supplies and new recruits who have been able to reach its landlocked territory either through Turkey—a NATO ally of the United States—or through Saudi Arabia and Iraq, both non-NATO allies of the US. Any one of these countries, as well as the sheikdom of Qatar, which has heavily financed Sunni fundamentalist groups like ISIS, could be the “U.S. partner” described in the Post report. > In terms of US domestic politics, the Post report is clearly aimed at providing another boost for the anti-Russian campaign alleging that the Trump presidential campaign colluded with Russian intelligence agencies in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. > No significant evidence has yet been produced to substantiate claims that the Russian government was responsible for the hacking of materials subsequently published by WikiLeaks. Nor has there been any evidence of Trump-Russia collusion. The anti-Russia campaign has been launched in opposition to Trump’s initial suggestions of a more cooperative relationship with Moscow, including a pullback from efforts to overthrow Assad in Syria, to focus more military resources on China and East Asia. > The nature of the security breach alleged in the Post article hardly justifies the screaming headlines in the newspaper, the breathless reports that led the Monday evening news broadcasts on ABC and CBS, and the hours of cable television coverage that have ensued. > Trump’s major blunder, if the report is accurate, is to share information about potential ISIS terrorism with Russia without having permission to do so from the “U.S. partner,” an action that “jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State,” according to the Post. > From the standpoint of the deepening US political crisis, the main question raised by the Post report is how details of a closed-door meeting in the Oval Office made its way to the newspaper. The most likely sources are the CIA and NSA. The two spy agencies were either represented at the meeting or informed of Trump’s comments afterwards by White House homeland security adviser Thomas Bossert. > In other words, the Post report is another shot fired in the internecine war within the American state apparatus, initially focused on foreign policy, particularly in relation to Syria and Russia, but more generally provoked by the personalist, authoritarian character of the Trump administration, and Trump’s role as a loose cannon in both domestic and foreign policy. > White House officials flatly rebuffed the Post claims that Trump released information inappropriately. “The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation,” H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser said in a statement. “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly.” > The Post claims that Trump revealed to Lavrov and Kislyak the name of a city in ISIS territory where the details of the new terrorist threat had been learned, but the newspaper would not reveal this name to its readers, “at the urging of officials who warned that revealing them would jeopardize important intelligence capabilities.” > In other words, the newspaper chose to enlist in the ranks of the military-intelligence officials waging political warfare against Trump. > The reported blurting out of classified information to the Russians led several Democratic congressmen to recall Republican criticism of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton for being “extremely careless” with classified information that was found on the private email server she used while secretary of state. > > ______________________________ From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 18 00:30:27 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 00:30:27 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sen. Durbin speaking up for peace building? References: <13dc7-1c7e-591cbecc@list.fcnl.org> Message-ID: See below: I have a lot of respect for the “Friends” but I think they are being duped. View online › [Friends Committee on National Legislation] Dear Karen, Sen. Richard Durbin just urged the U.S. government to invest in preventing conflicts before they break out. Today, he signed on as an original cosponsor of the Elie Wiesel Genocide and Atrocities Prevention Act, key legislation that supports structures and funding to help prevent the worst kinds of violence before they happen. Thank Sen. Durbin for his leadership on genocide and atrocities prevention. The Trump administration’s first statements about foreign policy have focused on military power rather than investments in shared security. With this legislation, senators from both major political parties are urging the administration to move quickly to protect the U.S. capacity for atrocities prevention. Specifically, the legislation requires forward-looking interagency cooperation to address atrocities before they happen, flexible funding, training for foreign service officers, and better intelligence to identify potential atrocity risks. Make sure Sen. Durbin knows you support his leadership in preventing deadly conflict before it starts. Foreign policy experts and military leaders agree that military force won’t prevent violence. Gen. Thomas Waldhauser, head of U.S. Command in Africa, told senators in March, “We could knock off all of ISIL and Boko Haram this afternoon, but by the end of the week, those ranks would be filled. Many people, especially those in uniform, have said we can’t kill our way to victory here.” At a time when the U.S. is facing multiple foreign policy crises, the U.S. should increase investment in the cost-effective programs that promote diplomacy, development, and international cooperation. We need more tools in our foreign policy toolbox, not fewer. [Allyson Neville] Sincerely, Allyson Neville Legislative Associate Prevention of Violent Conflict P.S. Not in Illinois? Update your address. About the Legislation * Legislation Summary * FCNL's Statement * 5 Reasons to Support the Elie Wiesel Act [https://act.fcnl.org/o.gif?akid=7294.81351.nY0cvS] [Friends Committee on National Legislation] We are Quakers and friends changing public policy. Find Events | Make a Donation | More About FCNL Follow us on: [Twitter] [Facebook] [Instagram] [YouTube] 245 2nd Street NE Washington, DC 20002 | 800-630-1330 © Friends Committee on National Legislation | Powered by ActionKit | Design by Threespot You can unsubscribe from this mailing list at any time. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 18 00:34:24 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 00:34:24 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Chelsea Manning Leaves Prison, Closing an Extraordinary Leak Case In-Reply-To: <15c18321a9d-2be3-6176@webprd-a86.mail.aol.com> References: <591CB75F.00000051@pmta04.ewr1.nytimes.com> <15c18321a9d-2be3-6176@webprd-a86.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Obama also did the Iran deal, that is currently being undone, by the neocons. The Trump administration may not want war with China or Russia, business opportunities abound, nuclear war not so attractive. Iran is another story, and always has been. On May 17, 2017, at 13:55, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss > wrote: Arguably the best (if not only) good thing Obama did during his eight years in office. Midge O'Brien -----Original Message----- From: Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss > To: Peace-discuss AWARE > Sent: Wed, May 17, 2017 3:54 pm Subject: [Peace-discuss] Chelsea Manning Leaves Prison, Closing an Extraordinary Leak Case From: r-szoke > Subject: NYTimes.com: Chelsea Manning Leaves Prison, Closing an Extraordinary Leak Case Date: May 17, 2017 at 3:49:35 PM CDT Reply-To: > Sent by r-szoke at illinois.edu: [http://i1.nyt.com/images/misc/nytlogo194x27.gif] [https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/05/17/us/17manning/17manning-thumbStandard.jpg] Chelsea Manning Leaves Prison, Closing an Extraordinary Leak Case By CHARLIE SAVAGE Ms. Manning was released from military prison on Wednesday. The bulk of her sentence for leaking government secrets was commuted by President Barack Obama. 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: USATODAY.com [mailto:newsletters at e.usatoday.com] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:40 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: BREAKING: Trump complains that appointment of special counsel is "the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history" Having trouble viewing this email? | View it in your browser [USA Today Breaking News] [http://images.e.usatoday.com/lib/fefb1576716306/i/1/4a81ad00-a.jpg] [FB] [TW] [g+] [Ins] Hours after accepting special counsel decision, Trump took to Twitter Thursday to protest the decision. "With all of the illegal acts that took place in the Clinton campaign & Obama Administration, there was never a special councel appointed!" Trump tweeted, misspelling the word "counsel." He also tweeted that the decision is "the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history!" 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URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Fri May 19 01:41:40 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 20:41:40 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: [IllinoisSinglePayer] what's up with Bernie Sanders and a Senate single-payer bill? In-Reply-To: <997602702.1192968.1495151785816@mail.yahoo.com> References: <997602702.1192968.1495151785816@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006001d2d041$12bc7d00$38357700$@comcast.net> From: IllinoisSinglePayer at yahoogroups.com [mailto:IllinoisSinglePayer at yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:56 PM To: IllinoisSinglePayer at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [IllinoisSinglePayer] what's up with Bernie Sanders and a Senate single-payer bill? U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders Yesterday at 11:07am · Congratulations to the New York State Assembly for moving forward on a single payer health care bill. At a time when the U.S. remains the only major nation on earth not to guarantee health care for all, New York can play an important role in leading us forward. I will soon be introducing Medicare for All single payer national legislation which is being supported by grass-roots organizations all across this country. Please don't forget. Health care is a right, not a privilege. Description: Image removed by sender. Single Payer Success in NY as Medicare-for-All Bill Passes State Assembly 'The New York State Assembly is leading the way with the only kind of healthcare bill that will put people before profits' COMMONDREAMS.ORG LikeShow more reactions Comment Share Top Comments On Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:53 PM, "Anne Scheetz annescheetz at gmail.com [IllinoisSinglePayer]" wrote: Sanders can always choose to issue a public statement giving a date when he will introduce a bill. I don't consider my phone calls a source of accurate information, rather as part of a campaign of pressure. I would argue that no one knows for sure what Sanders will do. We do know that he must be getting pressured against moving single-payer forward. It's up to us to exert pressure from our side, for what we want. If the HC-N! folks give us reasons why any kind of demonstration will be harmful, I will listen to them. These are the practical difficulties I can think of with a demonstration: * Some of us will be inside, some outside; but we don't know yet exactly who will be going--some people who applied have not been accepted. * As Sonja points out, the venue doesn't lend itself to visibility, and I don't think we know what part of the facility the conference will use * We don't know when Sanders will speak; in fact, I don't think any of the schedule has been published * A note of thanks I got from HC-N! for a contribution included something about a "single-payer track" at the conference but we don't know any details * It's difficult to talk to people about a date and time when we don't know the schedule I am interested in opinions of all Illinois activists. Anne On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Bill Bianchi pdachicago at gmail.com [IllinoisSinglePayer] > wrote: Well it sounds like he won't introduce a bill before the summit. I think it would be entirely appropriate to circulate flyers reminding everyone that Bernie promised to do so, and we're looking forward to it with great anticipation. My two cents Bill Bianchi Illinois Single Payer Coalition 773-636-1927 cell 773-935-3346 On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Anne Scheetz annescheetz at gmail.com [IllinoisSinglePayer] > wrote: There is some discussion going on among individuals over how to respond to the fact that Bernie Sanders has not yet introduced a Senate single-payer bill. (Emails as well as rumors about such a bill have been circulating since at least the end of March.) I believe this issue requires discussion by anyone who might have an opinion. More specifically, about whether we should take any action, if he has neither introduced the bill nor committed to a date, by the People's Summit, June 9 to 11 in Chicago, at which he is scheduled to speak. We discussed this at the recent ISPC Chicago meeting. As you know, an email went out today asking people to call Sanders' office to say we want him to introduce a companion bill to HR 676. (Also to call our US representatives.) The same Take Action is posted here on the ISPC website. Two responses: Justine James authorized me to share this: Just called Bernie Sanders office and was told, in an exasperated tone, that Senator Sanders will be introducing a counterpart to HR 676. Was told that no date for intro would be made public as "...wouldn't the pharmacy companies like to have that information." I called today as well, and was told that Sanders will introduce a single-payer bill; it won't be a companion bill to HR 676 because Sanders "believes in a different way of writing legislation;" and they don't know when the bill will be introduced "because the legislative calendar is private." This is the second time I have been told they don't know a date. Other people have information and opinions that I don't have permission to share, but that I hope they will contribute to this discussion. It is too early to decide for sure what we will do at the June conference. (Some people will be inside and some will be outside.) But I believe we should be discussing it; it's only three weeks away. When we decided on April 1 on a campaign to persuade Dick Durbin to sign on as a co-sponsor to the Sanders bill and then work for it, we expected it to be introduced in May. That hasn't happened obviously. Anne __._,_.___ _____ Posted by: MARTY _____ Reply via web post • Reply to sender • Reply to group • Start a New Topic • Messages in this topic (5) _____ Description: Image removed by sender. Have you tried the highest rated email app? With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. 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In-Reply-To: <006001d2d041$12bc7d00$38357700$@comcast.net> References: <997602702.1192968.1495151785816@mail.yahoo.com> <006001d2d041$12bc7d00$38357700$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3B4A1640-F9A9-4200-8378-2AFB80133ADC@illinois.edu> It’s about time. > On May 18, 2017, at 8:41 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote: > > From: IllinoisSinglePayer at yahoogroups.com [mailto:IllinoisSinglePayer at yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:56 PM > To: IllinoisSinglePayer at yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [IllinoisSinglePayer] what's up with Bernie Sanders and a Senate single-payer bill? > > U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders > Yesterday at 11:07am · > Congratulations to the New York State Assembly for moving forward on a single payer health care bill. At a time when the U.S. remains the only major nation on earth not to guarantee health care for all, New York can play an important role in leading us forward. I will soon be introducing Medicare for All single payer national legislation which is being supported by grass-roots organizations all across this country. Please don't forget. Health care is a right, not a privilege. > > > Single Payer Success in NY as Medicare-for-All Bill Passes State Assembly > 'The New York State Assembly is leading the way with the only kind of healthcare bill that will put people before profits' > COMMONDREAMS.ORG > LikeShow more reactions > CommentShare > Top Comments > > > On Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:53 PM, "Anne Scheetz annescheetz at gmail.com [IllinoisSinglePayer]" wrote: > > Sanders can always choose to issue a public statement giving a date when he will introduce a bill. > > I don't consider my phone calls a source of accurate information, rather as part of a campaign of pressure. I would argue that no one knows for sure what Sanders will do. We do know that he must be getting pressured against moving single-payer forward. It's up to us to exert pressure from our side, for what we want. > > If the HC-N! folks give us reasons why any kind of demonstration will be harmful, I will listen to them. > > These are the practical difficulties I can think of with a demonstration: > • Some of us will be inside, some outside; but we don't know yet exactly who will be going--some people who applied have not been accepted. > • As Sonja points out, the venue doesn't lend itself to visibility, and I don't think we know what part of the facility the conference will use > • We don't know when Sanders will speak; in fact, I don't think any of the schedule has been published > • A note of thanks I got from HC-N! for a contribution included something about a "single-payer track" at the conference but we don't know any details > • It's difficult to talk to people about a date and time when we don't know the schedule > > > I am interested in opinions of all Illinois activists. > > Anne > > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Bill Bianchi pdachicago at gmail.com [IllinoisSinglePayer] wrote: > > Well it sounds like he won't introduce a bill before the summit. I think it would be entirely appropriate to circulate flyers reminding everyone that Bernie promised to do so, and we're looking forward to it with great anticipation. > My two cents > > Bill Bianchi > Illinois Single Payer Coalition > 773-636-1927 cell > 773-935-3346 > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Anne Scheetz annescheetz at gmail.com [IllinoisSinglePayer] wrote: > > There is some discussion going on among individuals over how to respond to the fact that Bernie Sanders has not yet introduced a Senate single-payer bill. (Emails as well as rumors about such a bill have been circulating since at least the end of March.) I believe this issue requires discussion by anyone who might have an opinion. > > More specifically, about whether we should take any action, if he has neither introduced the bill nor committed to a date, by the People's Summit, June 9 to 11 in Chicago, at which he is scheduled to speak. We discussed this at the recent ISPC Chicago meeting. > > As you know, an email went out today asking people to call Sanders' office to say we want him to introduce a companion bill to HR 676. (Also to call our US representatives.) The same Take Action is posted here on the ISPC website. Two responses: > > Justine James authorized me to share this: > Just called Bernie Sanders office and was told, in an exasperated tone, that Senator Sanders will be introducing a counterpart to HR 676. Was told that no date for intro would be made public as "...wouldn't the pharmacy companies like to have that information." > > I called today as well, and was told that Sanders will introduce a single-payer bill; it won't be a companion bill to HR 676 because Sanders "believes in a different way of writing legislation;" and they don't know when the bill will be introduced "because the legislative calendar is private." This is the second time I have been told they don't know a date. > > Other people have information and opinions that I don't have permission to share, but that I hope they will contribute to this discussion. > > It is too early to decide for sure what we will do at the June conference. (Some people will be inside and some will be outside.) But I believe we should be discussing it; it's only three weeks away. > > When we decided on April 1 on a campaign to persuade Dick Durbin to sign on as a co-sponsor to the Sanders bill and then work for it, we expected it to be introduced in May. That hasn't happened obviously. > > Anne > > From moboct1 at aim.com Fri May 19 12:31:00 2017 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 08:31:00 -0400 Subject: [Peace-discuss] We still need an independent commission In-Reply-To: <15c20a773cd-67f3-95e@webprd-a19.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <15c20b08cc8-67f3-9b0@webprd-a19.mail.aol.com> Dear Senator Durbin:I don't think it's possible to have an "Independent Commission" appointed by Congressional politicians of either party to investigate so-called Russian cyber interference in U.S. elections, for which there is no evidence.  It is more likely that Hillary's campaign/DNC-Podesta emails revealed by Wikileaks were not from Russian hackers but insider LEAKS possibly by Seth Rich, who was shot and killed early in the morning of July 10 last year in his Wash. D.C. neighborhood on his way to work with no apparent witnesses. Democrats have silently neglected interest in pursuing investigation of the murder of this employee of the Democrat presidential campaign.Midge O'BrienSavoy, Illinois      -----Original Message-----From: Dick Durbin To: Midge O'Brien Sent: Thu, May 18, 2017 4:12 pmSubject: We still need an independent commission #AOLMsgPart_2_3c434a38-f6c1-44b8-9362-ba892f8ab2da td{color: black;} .aolReplacedBody #aolmail_AOLMsgPart_2_90fc045e-6210-45af-bfbe-112efe2c34de td{color: black;} .aolReplacedBody .aolmail_aolReplacedBody div,.aolReplacedBody .aolmail_aolReplacedBody p{ font-family:"Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-weight:400; font-size:17px; line-height:1.4; color:#364350; } .aolReplacedBody .aolmail_aolReplacedBody a{ color:#147FD7; text-decoration:underline; } Midge, Last night, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein appointed a special counsel to investigate the Trump Administration’s ties with Russia. This is an important step, and it happened in large part because you joined me in speaking up and demanding an independent investigation. But while a special counsel is necessary to uncover the full extent of the Trump administration’s relationship with Russia and prosecute any crimes that may have been committed, it will not address the broader questions around Russia’s cyberattacks and interference in the 2016 election. For that, we need a nonpartisan independent commission. Add your name to mine now to tell Republican leaders that, in addition to a special counsel, it’s time to form an independent commission. With allies questioning the stability of the Administration and whether to even share intelligence with the U.S. government, the situation is unraveling rapidly. An independent commission should be looking into Trump’s Russian connections, and it’s up to all of us to ensure that this issue stays front and center until we have solutions to prevent future foreign interference in our democracy. Thank you for all you’ve done to demand answers so far. Now, let’s keep pressing forward until we have the full account the American people deserve. My best, Dick Durbin ADD YOUR NAME     Paid for by Friends of Dick Durbin   This email was sent to moboct1 at aim.com. Should you want to unsubscribe, you can click here. Join Senator Durbin in taking on powerful special interests on behalf of hard-working middle class families by making a contribution to our campaign here. Friends of Dick Durbin Attn: Online Department 10‌1 W. Grand, S‌uite 200 Chicago, IL 606‌54  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[mailto:accuracy at accuracy.org] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 8:08 AM To: francis.a.boyle at gmail.com Subject: Trump's Syria Bombing Impeachable -- Interviews Available [http://app.meltwaterpress.com/mpress/statistic.html?accessCode=198c984c38ae02504df2d06bc110361b46ec44fb&distributionId=537356&contact=francis.a.boyle at gmail.com] Trump's Syria Bombing Impeachable CBS News reports: "U.S. aircraft conduct strike on Syrian army convoy." Earlier this year, The Hill reported "Top aide: Obama worried about impeachment for Syria actions." Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) tweeted Thursday after initial reports of the strike: "If true, this is FRICKIN ILLEGAL. Trump does not have Congressional authorization to attack Syria, a country that has not attacked US." He also tweeted: "Congress authorized President to use force in 2 cases: terrorists & Iraq. @realDonaldTrump has NO AUTHORIZATION to attack Syrian regime." FRANCIS BOYLE, (217) 333-7954, fboyle at illinois.edu Boyle is professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. He said today: "The U.S. strike clearly violates the War Powers Resolution, the War Powers Clause of the United States Constitution and the United Nations Charter. It's impeachable. "These so-called deconfliction zones are de facto partitions of Syria in violation of its territorial sovereignty and political independence." The Hill report states: "President Obama's deputy national security adviser says in a new interview that the threat of impeachment 'was a factor' in Obama's decision not to pursue a tougher intervention policy in Syria. "'We actually had Congress warning us against taking action without congressional authorization, which we interpreted as the president could face impeachment,' Ben Rhodes told Politico Magazine. "When asked to elaborate, the president's adviser said that Republicans, including then-Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), made it clear that premature military action without congressional approval would be unconstitutional." For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy: Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020, (202) 421-6858; David Zupan, (541) 484-9167 May 19, 2017 Institute for Public Accuracy 980 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 (202) 347-0020 * accuracy.org * ipa at accuracy.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 20:41:46 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune, May 19 In-Reply-To: <67ddb84dcd90b85ed6339a05eaf437a4@shout.net> References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <67ddb84dcd90b85ed6339a05eaf437a4@shout.net> Message-ID: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ3hOFbbSzo From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 20 13:52:28 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 13:52:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] My comments on This week's AWARE ON THE AIR In-Reply-To: <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> Message-ID: I agree with both Carl and W.B. Michaels, the Black Agenda Report etc., and what they have to say in respect to the definition and genesis of Identity Politics, but I wonder how we would have reacted during the 60’s in relation to the Civil Rights movement? That was certainly IP, but it was something very necessary, way past due, and did bring about equality for many. Not all, given our neoliberal, capitalist system. It was however, a first step in the process. MLK recognized this fact and had he not been murdered by the USG, he would have continued in this endeavor. Not to give all credit to MLK as most of the groundwork had been completed when CORE etc., invited him to take a leading role. My point, is when viewing various programs, organizations I think we must be cautious not to judge too quickly whether they be IP or not. That being said, we need to also determine what is meant by "support." Diluting the anti-war movement, our program on AOTA, should be guarded against, and calls to focus on either local issues or IP, as well as the “ iscussions" related to IP become a "distraction" in and of themselves, from US foreign policy which is diluting funds from necessary social services across the nation, killing millions and flooding Europe with refugees, and creating chaos for all. I also agree with Stuarts suggestion that we reach across the aisle to support other groups, in an effort to unite. I refer to that as “ evolution 101" as only when groups unite in common cause against a government that is corrupt, unjust, and abusive will there be any chance for success. Remaining divided on issues, is exactly what IP was designed to accomplish. Though I myself have failed in my efforts to unite with others, I support those who do try, and hope they are successful, otherwise as the film “Obey” clearly points out, we are doomed. On May 17, 2017, at 08:51, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: Recorded at Urbana Public Television on Tuesday 16 May: . ### _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 20 13:57:47 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 13:57:47 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My comments on This week's AWARE ON THE AIR In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> Message-ID: Spell check has changed the word revolution to evolution, in the last paragraph, a significant difference. On May 20, 2017, at 06:52, Karen Aram via Peace > wrote: I agree with both Carl and W.B. Michaels, the Black Agenda Report etc., and what they have to say in respect to the definition and genesis of Identity Politics, but I wonder how we would have reacted during the 60’s in relation to the Civil Rights movement? That was certainly IP, but it was something very necessary, way past due, and did bring about equality for many. Not all, given our neoliberal, capitalist system. It was however, a first step in the process. MLK recognized this fact and had he not been murdered by the USG, he would have continued in this endeavor. Not to give all credit to MLK as most of the groundwork had been completed when CORE etc., invited him to take a leading role. My point, is when viewing various programs, organizations I think we must be cautious not to judge too quickly whether they be IP or not. That being said, we need to also determine what is meant by "support." Diluting the anti-war movement, our program on AOTA, should be guarded against, and calls to focus on either local issues or IP, as well as the “ iscussions" related to IP become a "distraction" in and of themselves, from US foreign policy which is diluting funds from necessary social services across the nation, killing millions and flooding Europe with refugees, and creating chaos for all. I also agree with Stuarts suggestion that we reach across the aisle to support other groups, in an effort to unite. I refer to that as “ evolution 101" as only when groups unite in common cause against a government that is corrupt, unjust, and abusive will there be any chance for success. Remaining divided on issues, is exactly what IP was designed to accomplish. Though I myself have failed in my efforts to unite with others, I support those who do try, and hope they are successful, otherwise as the film “Obey” clearly points out, we are doomed. On May 17, 2017, at 08:51, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: Recorded at Urbana Public Television on Tuesday 16 May: . ### _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 20 15:26:36 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 15:26:36 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune, May 19 In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <67ddb84dcd90b85ed6339a05eaf437a4@shout.net> Message-ID: Excellent program as always. I particularly liked David’s question in relation to the impact on the US working class, if our current administration is successful at promoting peace as opposed to war, in relation to China. Of course prevention of nuclear war, is the first and most worthy goal, but I would like to hear a little more discussion in relation to “US jobs won’t “come back” whether we have war or peace, which is why we need at the very least a guaranteed income for all, along with universal healthcare for all. Socialism as opposed to capitalist neoliberalism, etc. > On May 19, 2017, at 18:41, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ3hOFbbSzo > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From galliher at illinois.edu Sat May 20 17:30:55 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 12:30:55 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] News from Neptune, May 19 In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <67ddb84dcd90b85ed6339a05eaf437a4@shout.net> Message-ID: Thanks, & I quite agree. And in the current discussion, we should remember, as Adolph Reed et al. say, identity politics is neoliberalism (if its ‘left wing’). —CGE > On May 20, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Excellent program as always. I particularly liked David’s question in relation to the impact on the US working class, if our current administration is successful at promoting peace as opposed to war, in relation to China. > > Of course prevention of nuclear war, is the first and most worthy goal, but I would like to hear a little more discussion in relation to “US jobs won’t “come back” whether we have war or peace, which is why we need at the very least a guaranteed income for all, along with universal healthcare for all. Socialism as opposed to capitalist neoliberalism, etc. > >> On May 19, 2017, at 18:41, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ3hOFbbSzo >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Prairiegreens mailing list > Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens > http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Sat May 20 19:25:19 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:25:19 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Costs of War panel--update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01d2d19e$d17772f0$746658d0$@comcast.net> -----Original Message----- From: Debra Schrishuhn [mailto:deb at pdamerica.org] Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 11:40 AM To: Gus Wood; David Johnson; Maryam Ar-Raheem; Niloofar Shambayati Subject: Costs of War panel--update Good news, Everyone. We now have three co-sponsors for the Costs of War panel: People demanding Action Jobs with Justice (thank you, David) Eco-Justice Collaborative Plus requests out to other organizations. Would it be beneficial to have a face-to-face meeting or a teleconference so that we are all on the same page? I am amenable to either option if you all think it would help. JwJ is also interested in expanding this into a series of panel discussions on war and peace if we draw a good crowd and get some local encouragement. Finally, Mort Brussel has evidently done a good deal of work on pulling together stats and cost figures related to America's wars in the past 20 years. Shall I reach out to him for documentation or perhaps as a fourth panelist? Faith manages, Deb From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sun May 21 14:33:55 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 14:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] BAR: Peace Activists confront Amy Goodman re Syria References: <650356257.3288100.1495377235788.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <650356257.3288100.1495377235788@mail.yahoo.com> Peace Activists Confront Amy Goodman on Biased Syria Coverage | Black Agenda Report | | | | | | | | | | | Peace Activists Confront Amy Goodman on Biased Syria Coverage | Black Agend... | | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 21 15:13:15 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 15:13:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Response to Trump in Riyadh Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 10:10 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Response to Trump in Riyadh Trump is just another White Racist Iron Fist for Judeo-Christian U.S. Imperialism and Capitalism all over the world. Trump forthrightly and proudly admitted that the United States is in the Middle East in order to steal their oil. At least he was honest about it. Unlike his predecessors who lied about it going back to President George Bush Sr. with his War for Oil against Iraq in 1991. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy... Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley's military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America's economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the "open door" policy. But over the next four decades America's aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the "Pacific" would ineluctably pave the way for Japan's attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America's precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and then the Democratic Obama administration and now the Trump administration are threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of: (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled "humanitarian intervention" or its avatar "responsibility to protect." Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world's hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system - oil and gas. The Bush Jr./Obama administrations targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration established the U.S. Pentagon's Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, exploit, and plunder both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. Trump is just another White Racist Iron Fist for Judeo-Christian U.S. Imperialism and Capitalism all over the world. Trump forthrightly and proudly admitted that the United States is in the Middle East in order to steal their oil. At least he was honest about it. Unlike his predecessors who lied about it going back to President George Bush Sr. with his War for Oil against Iraq in 1991. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated "unlimited imperialism" in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): "The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination-a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror's lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind..." It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun May 21 16:43:36 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 16:43:36 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] War Message-ID: “Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies: from these proceed debts and taxes, and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bring the many under the domination of the few…..No nation could reserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” James Madison, "Political Observations,” 1795 From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun May 21 16:43:36 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 16:43:36 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] War Message-ID: “Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies: from these proceed debts and taxes, and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bring the many under the domination of the few…..No nation could reserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” James Madison, "Political Observations,” 1795 From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun May 21 17:21:31 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 17:21:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Response to Trump in Riyadh Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 10:10 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Response to Trump in Riyadh Trump is just another White Racist Iron Fist for Judeo-Christian U.S. Imperialism and Capitalism all over the world. Trump forthrightly and proudly admitted that the United States is in the Middle East in order to steal their oil. At least he was honest about it. Unlike his predecessors who lied about it going back to President George Bush Sr. with his War for Oil against Iraq in 1991. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy... Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley's military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America's economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the "open door" policy. But over the next four decades America's aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the "Pacific" would ineluctably pave the way for Japan's attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America's precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and then the Democratic Obama administration and now the Trump administration are threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of: (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled "humanitarian intervention" or its avatar "responsibility to protect." Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world's hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system - oil and gas. The Bush Jr./Obama administrations targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration established the U.S. Pentagon's Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, exploit, and plunder both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. Trump is just another White Racist Iron Fist for Judeo-Christian U.S. Imperialism and Capitalism all over the world. Trump forthrightly and proudly admitted that the United States is in the Middle East in order to steal their oil. At least he was honest about it. Unlike his predecessors who lied about it going back to President George Bush Sr. with his War for Oil against Iraq in 1991. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated "unlimited imperialism" in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): "The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination-a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror's lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind..." It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun May 21 21:56:21 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 21:56:21 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Prof. Stephen Cohen on Russia Message-ID: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/asset/img/paging-arrow.png] Back to Videos Princeton Russia Expert Stephen Cohen: Assault On President Trump From "Fourth Branch Of Government" Designed To Undermine U.S.-Russia Alliance Against Terrorism 2.6k Shares Posted By Tim Hains On Date May 17, 2017 NYU and Princeton professor of Russian studies Stephen Cohen told FNC's Tucker Carlson Tuesday night that the baseless accusations of treason against President Trump in the media have become a security threat to the U.S. and could potentially damage any hope of a diplomatic rapprochement, and alliance against Islamic terrorism, with Russia. When asked if the president could have given unauthorized information to the Russians, Cohen said: "No." "Nor have I in all these decades ever heard an elected memnber of Congress say that we should have no relations with the Russians at all," he explained. "Presumably that would also include nuclear weapons control?" "When I see, I guess it was a Democrat... asking what are the Russians doing in the White House anyway? Well they're dealing with President Trump over the national security of our nation. What's at stake here is a proposal by Putin of Russia and Trump of America to join hands in an alliance against international terrorism. And if you had asked me a few days ago: What is the #1 threat to the United States today, I would have said international terrorism. I don't know if you agree, it is certainly up there." "Today, I would say it is this assault on President Trump. It has been going on a year," he said. "Can we be clear? What he's being accused of is treason. This has never happened before in America, that there is a Russia agent in the White House. And we have a whole array of allegations from Putin helped him get in the White House, to his associates are doing wrong things with Russians." "There is no evidence there was any wrongdoing, and indeed Flynn should have talked to the Russian ambassador. That was his job. This is beyond belief now... This has become a national security threat to us in and of itself,"he explained. "Two motives have dirven this false narrative about Trump, that he is somehow a Kremlin agent. There have been two forces. One is the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party, which doesn't want to admit she lost the election... and that may be because she wants to run again.... At the same time, there has long been in Washington, let's call it the fourth branch of government -- the intelligence services, who have opposed any rapprochement or cooperation with Russia." "Remember, in 2016, President Obama worked out a deal with Russian president Vladimir Putin, for military cooperation in Syria. He said he was going to share intelligence with Russia, the way Trump and the Russians were supposed to do the other day. Our Department of Defense said they wouldn't share intelligence, and a few days later, they killed Syrian soldiers ["by accident"] violating the agreement, and that was that," he explained. "So we can ask: Who is making our foreign policy in Washington today?" Host Tucker Carlson presses him to explain and Cohen says: "You and I have to ask a subversive question. Are there really three branches of government. Or is there a fourth branch of government? These intel services? What we know for a fact, Obama tried not very hard, but he tried for a military alliance with Putin in Syria against terrorism, but it was sabotaged by the Department of Defense and its allies in the intelligence services. Trump sais on the campaign trail, 'Wouldn't it be great to cooperate with Russia?' My answer is, it would be great. And Trump wants that to happen, but he is being thwarted. Every time he gets close, we get a new leak of a story." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun May 21 21:56:21 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 21:56:21 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Prof. Stephen Cohen on Russia Message-ID: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/asset/img/paging-arrow.png] Back to Videos Princeton Russia Expert Stephen Cohen: Assault On President Trump From "Fourth Branch Of Government" Designed To Undermine U.S.-Russia Alliance Against Terrorism 2.6k Shares Posted By Tim Hains On Date May 17, 2017 NYU and Princeton professor of Russian studies Stephen Cohen told FNC's Tucker Carlson Tuesday night that the baseless accusations of treason against President Trump in the media have become a security threat to the U.S. and could potentially damage any hope of a diplomatic rapprochement, and alliance against Islamic terrorism, with Russia. When asked if the president could have given unauthorized information to the Russians, Cohen said: "No." "Nor have I in all these decades ever heard an elected memnber of Congress say that we should have no relations with the Russians at all," he explained. "Presumably that would also include nuclear weapons control?" "When I see, I guess it was a Democrat... asking what are the Russians doing in the White House anyway? Well they're dealing with President Trump over the national security of our nation. What's at stake here is a proposal by Putin of Russia and Trump of America to join hands in an alliance against international terrorism. And if you had asked me a few days ago: What is the #1 threat to the United States today, I would have said international terrorism. I don't know if you agree, it is certainly up there." "Today, I would say it is this assault on President Trump. It has been going on a year," he said. "Can we be clear? What he's being accused of is treason. This has never happened before in America, that there is a Russia agent in the White House. And we have a whole array of allegations from Putin helped him get in the White House, to his associates are doing wrong things with Russians." "There is no evidence there was any wrongdoing, and indeed Flynn should have talked to the Russian ambassador. That was his job. This is beyond belief now... This has become a national security threat to us in and of itself,"he explained. "Two motives have dirven this false narrative about Trump, that he is somehow a Kremlin agent. There have been two forces. One is the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party, which doesn't want to admit she lost the election... and that may be because she wants to run again.... At the same time, there has long been in Washington, let's call it the fourth branch of government -- the intelligence services, who have opposed any rapprochement or cooperation with Russia." "Remember, in 2016, President Obama worked out a deal with Russian president Vladimir Putin, for military cooperation in Syria. He said he was going to share intelligence with Russia, the way Trump and the Russians were supposed to do the other day. Our Department of Defense said they wouldn't share intelligence, and a few days later, they killed Syrian soldiers ["by accident"] violating the agreement, and that was that," he explained. "So we can ask: Who is making our foreign policy in Washington today?" Host Tucker Carlson presses him to explain and Cohen says: "You and I have to ask a subversive question. Are there really three branches of government. Or is there a fourth branch of government? These intel services? What we know for a fact, Obama tried not very hard, but he tried for a military alliance with Putin in Syria against terrorism, but it was sabotaged by the Department of Defense and its allies in the intelligence services. Trump sais on the campaign trail, 'Wouldn't it be great to cooperate with Russia?' My answer is, it would be great. And Trump wants that to happen, but he is being thwarted. Every time he gets close, we get a new leak of a story." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 22 01:12:03 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 01:12:03 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Counterpunch Message-ID: MAY 19, 2017 “Hegemony How-To”: Rethinking Activism and Embracing Power by BRUCE E. LEVINE * * * * Email * * [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/07/print-sp.png] Occupy Wall Street insider Jonathan Smucker’s recently published Hegemony How-To: a Roadmap for Radicals (AK Press, 2017) is the post-Occupy guide for how to be smarter about politics. Smucker, a long-time grassroots organizer, does not dismiss what Occupy did right but is honest about its failures. The 99% remain just as powerless as ever, and we still have endless wars, corporate control, and increasing social and economic injustices. In the tradition of Saul Alinsky and Antonio Gramsci, Smucker points out that “knowledge of what is wrong with a social system and knowledge of how to change the system are two completely different categories of knowledge.” Before touching on how Hegemony How-Tospeaks directly to my own experience, a feel for Smucker’s punches. Smucker spares nothing and no one—including himself—in his passion to achieve political victory. Smucker asks himself: “How many times, I wondered, had I favored a particular action or tactic because I really thought it was likely to change a decision-maker’s position or win over key allies, as opposed to gravitating toward an action because it expressed my activist identity and self-conception? How concerned were we really, in our practice, with political outcomes?” Smucker concludes, “We often seemed more preoccupied with the purity of our political expression than with how to move from Point A to Point B. It felt as if having the right line about everything was more important than making measurable progress on anything.” Smucker does not ignore what Occupy Wall Street did well. “OccupyWall Street,” for many Americans, was a way of saying “Fuck Wall Street” and standing up to it. Through its language of the 99% and the 1%, Occupy compelled the mainstream media to talk about class injustice, and so Occupy helped restore some sense of class consciousness. Occupying public space gave powerless people a taste of power and gave many alienated people a taste of community. However, Smucker is frustrated that Occupy couldn’t move to the next level and actually accomplish political goals such as creating greater economic and social justice. And so Smucker, like a good coach, replays the game film to see how his team caught the 1% by surprise, gained an advantage—but then lost the game. Failed social movements, Smucker tells us, often don’t overcome the political identify paradox. Specifically, social movements need to foster a group identify and have a dedicated core willing to put in many hours. But fostering this group identity can lead to [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2017/05/hegemonyhowto.jpg] isolation and failure to connect with others outside the group. The group that only cares about cohesiveness and maintaining its identity is not going to accomplish anything but just that. Focusing exclusively on creating a strong identify can “create a wall between them and potential allies.” Smucker observes, “Building a community, for example, is a worthy pursuit. But these motivations become a problem when they trump our motivation to accomplish our ostensible political goals.” One byproduct of focusing too much on group identity is being dismissive of potential allies because they were not radical enough. For Smucker, “Every time a prominent supporter was snubbed, a message was sent to all potential supporters: ‘Your support is not wanted. This thing is ours.’ ” Successful social movements build a large base of support “outside the choir,” and they put great effort into actively courting influential supporters. Smucker tells us, “Occupy Wall Street had an incredible opportunity to do this—indeed, many influential supporters were courting us—but too often we did precisely the opposite.” While most people would label Smucker as a major “activist,” Smucker disdains the word activist, and he encourages people to abandon it. He proclaims, “I dislike the label activist. . . It lets everyone else off the hook!” This “activism” self-identification simply sets you apart from the broader society that you need to engage in. Smucker reflects that activism “has morphed into a specific identify that centers on a hobby—something akin to being a skier or a ‘theater person—rather than a civic or political responsibility that necessarily traverses groups and interests.” When activists seek only mutual validations from likeminded activists, Smucker points out, “some of the most idealistic and collectively minded young people in society remove themselves voluntarily from the institutions and social networks that they were organically positioned to influence and contest.” If people want change, they must continue connecting with the greater society. At a deeper level, the Occupy movement, and many radicals, fail because of what Smucker calls their “humanistic ambivalence toward power”—they are uncomfortable with power, while their opposition is not. Hegemony refers to leadership or predominant influence, and Smucker tells us, “I am well aware that the title of this book may be read by some of my comrades as a provocation, insofar as it suggests that hegemony is not in and of itself something to stand against, but rather something to attain. To be clear, it is intended to be a provocation.” Smucker reacquaints us with Martin Luther King’s observations about power, “Power properly understood is nothing but the ability to achieve purpose . . . And one of the great problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have usually been contrasted as opposites—polar opposites—so that love is identified with a resignation of power, and power with a denial of love.” King concludes, “It is precisely this collision of immoral power with powerless morality which constitutes the major crisis of our times.” One reason that the civil rights movement in the 1960s was successful was that movement members across its spectrum, from Malcolm X to Martin Luther King, while differing on the strategies for acquiring power, embraced the need for power. Smucker’s book provides some much needed “linguistic-political therapy.” For example, he points out that the phrase “the personal is political” is now often used to mean something almost completely opposite of its original meaning. He reminds us that the phrase was first used by Carol Hanisch in 1969 to mean that when we talk among ourselves, we realize that what we may have considered to be our individual personal problems are societal and structural problems that require collective political actions. However, today, the phrase has come to mean that individual actions, such as consumer ones, are political actions; and the phrase is used to justify not being involved in collective political actions. Buying “green” is not a bad thing, but the loss of the true meaning of “the personal is political” is one other way that we have become politically impotent. In addition to providing linguistic therapy and not pulling any punches in his analyses, Smucker’s book is replete with “how-to” specifics in the areas of building a larger base, creating a “leaderful” (not leaderless) movement, organizing, and teamwork. Hegemony How-To speaks directly to my own experiences on a couple of different levels. For the last twenty years, I have been involved in the social justice movement for truly informed choice in mental health (the “go to” publication for this movement is Mad in America). Despite our movement having been repeatedly proven scientifically correct (for example, our claim of psychiatric diagnosis invalidity is now affirmed by the National Institute of Mental Health), we continue to lose the political battle to giant drug companies and their allies in psychiatry. We are losing the political battle for exactly the reasons that Smucker addresses in Hegemony How-To. Smucker’s book speaks to me on another level. Like Smucker, I also have been frustrated by progressives’ exclusive focus on what’s wrong with the system while neglecting the real politics necessary to change it. In the “pre-Occupy era,” I observed how many progressives were behaving as if the general public was not politically engaged because they were ignorant of political realities. However, the polls showed that the majority of people did get how they were being screwed. In that era, it appeared to me that progressives were neglecting the reality that many Americans had become politically “broken” and demoralized; that the truth was not setting them free to act; and that a psychology of oppression had been created which required a liberation psychology. I wrote about this in Get Up, Stand Up, published in the spring of 2011; and in the summer of 2011, I was happy to hear some Occupy organizers were reading it. When Occupy Wall Street took off in the fall of 2011, my publisher donated 100 copies to the Occupy Wall Street library. However, within a few months, these books, along with the rest of the library and the encampment, had gotten thrown in dumpsters by the New York City Police Department during its Zuccotti Park invasion. After that, it appeared to me that all that we—myself included—had accomplished were our own ego trips. But now owing to Smucker, I am happy to say that we can gain more out of the Occupy movement than ego trips. We can learn something from what Occupy did manage to pull off but we can learn even more from the movement’s mistakes, and we can learn to embrace power, become politically smarter, and focus on what it actually takes to win. Join the debate on Facebook Bruce E. Levine, a practicing clinical psychologist, writes and speaks about how society, culture, politics and psychology intersect. He is the author of Get Up, Stand Up: Uniting Populists, Energizing the Defeated, and Battling the Corporate Elite (Chelsea Green Publishing, 2011). His webs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 22 01:12:03 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 01:12:03 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Counterpunch Message-ID: MAY 19, 2017 “Hegemony How-To”: Rethinking Activism and Embracing Power by BRUCE E. LEVINE * * * * Email * * [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/07/print-sp.png] Occupy Wall Street insider Jonathan Smucker’s recently published Hegemony How-To: a Roadmap for Radicals (AK Press, 2017) is the post-Occupy guide for how to be smarter about politics. Smucker, a long-time grassroots organizer, does not dismiss what Occupy did right but is honest about its failures. The 99% remain just as powerless as ever, and we still have endless wars, corporate control, and increasing social and economic injustices. In the tradition of Saul Alinsky and Antonio Gramsci, Smucker points out that “knowledge of what is wrong with a social system and knowledge of how to change the system are two completely different categories of knowledge.” Before touching on how Hegemony How-Tospeaks directly to my own experience, a feel for Smucker’s punches. Smucker spares nothing and no one—including himself—in his passion to achieve political victory. Smucker asks himself: “How many times, I wondered, had I favored a particular action or tactic because I really thought it was likely to change a decision-maker’s position or win over key allies, as opposed to gravitating toward an action because it expressed my activist identity and self-conception? How concerned were we really, in our practice, with political outcomes?” Smucker concludes, “We often seemed more preoccupied with the purity of our political expression than with how to move from Point A to Point B. It felt as if having the right line about everything was more important than making measurable progress on anything.” Smucker does not ignore what Occupy Wall Street did well. “OccupyWall Street,” for many Americans, was a way of saying “Fuck Wall Street” and standing up to it. Through its language of the 99% and the 1%, Occupy compelled the mainstream media to talk about class injustice, and so Occupy helped restore some sense of class consciousness. Occupying public space gave powerless people a taste of power and gave many alienated people a taste of community. However, Smucker is frustrated that Occupy couldn’t move to the next level and actually accomplish political goals such as creating greater economic and social justice. And so Smucker, like a good coach, replays the game film to see how his team caught the 1% by surprise, gained an advantage—but then lost the game. Failed social movements, Smucker tells us, often don’t overcome the political identify paradox. Specifically, social movements need to foster a group identify and have a dedicated core willing to put in many hours. But fostering this group identity can lead to [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2017/05/hegemonyhowto.jpg] isolation and failure to connect with others outside the group. The group that only cares about cohesiveness and maintaining its identity is not going to accomplish anything but just that. Focusing exclusively on creating a strong identify can “create a wall between them and potential allies.” Smucker observes, “Building a community, for example, is a worthy pursuit. But these motivations become a problem when they trump our motivation to accomplish our ostensible political goals.” One byproduct of focusing too much on group identity is being dismissive of potential allies because they were not radical enough. For Smucker, “Every time a prominent supporter was snubbed, a message was sent to all potential supporters: ‘Your support is not wanted. This thing is ours.’ ” Successful social movements build a large base of support “outside the choir,” and they put great effort into actively courting influential supporters. Smucker tells us, “Occupy Wall Street had an incredible opportunity to do this—indeed, many influential supporters were courting us—but too often we did precisely the opposite.” While most people would label Smucker as a major “activist,” Smucker disdains the word activist, and he encourages people to abandon it. He proclaims, “I dislike the label activist. . . It lets everyone else off the hook!” This “activism” self-identification simply sets you apart from the broader society that you need to engage in. Smucker reflects that activism “has morphed into a specific identify that centers on a hobby—something akin to being a skier or a ‘theater person—rather than a civic or political responsibility that necessarily traverses groups and interests.” When activists seek only mutual validations from likeminded activists, Smucker points out, “some of the most idealistic and collectively minded young people in society remove themselves voluntarily from the institutions and social networks that they were organically positioned to influence and contest.” If people want change, they must continue connecting with the greater society. At a deeper level, the Occupy movement, and many radicals, fail because of what Smucker calls their “humanistic ambivalence toward power”—they are uncomfortable with power, while their opposition is not. Hegemony refers to leadership or predominant influence, and Smucker tells us, “I am well aware that the title of this book may be read by some of my comrades as a provocation, insofar as it suggests that hegemony is not in and of itself something to stand against, but rather something to attain. To be clear, it is intended to be a provocation.” Smucker reacquaints us with Martin Luther King’s observations about power, “Power properly understood is nothing but the ability to achieve purpose . . . And one of the great problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have usually been contrasted as opposites—polar opposites—so that love is identified with a resignation of power, and power with a denial of love.” King concludes, “It is precisely this collision of immoral power with powerless morality which constitutes the major crisis of our times.” One reason that the civil rights movement in the 1960s was successful was that movement members across its spectrum, from Malcolm X to Martin Luther King, while differing on the strategies for acquiring power, embraced the need for power. Smucker’s book provides some much needed “linguistic-political therapy.” For example, he points out that the phrase “the personal is political” is now often used to mean something almost completely opposite of its original meaning. He reminds us that the phrase was first used by Carol Hanisch in 1969 to mean that when we talk among ourselves, we realize that what we may have considered to be our individual personal problems are societal and structural problems that require collective political actions. However, today, the phrase has come to mean that individual actions, such as consumer ones, are political actions; and the phrase is used to justify not being involved in collective political actions. Buying “green” is not a bad thing, but the loss of the true meaning of “the personal is political” is one other way that we have become politically impotent. In addition to providing linguistic therapy and not pulling any punches in his analyses, Smucker’s book is replete with “how-to” specifics in the areas of building a larger base, creating a “leaderful” (not leaderless) movement, organizing, and teamwork. Hegemony How-To speaks directly to my own experiences on a couple of different levels. For the last twenty years, I have been involved in the social justice movement for truly informed choice in mental health (the “go to” publication for this movement is Mad in America). Despite our movement having been repeatedly proven scientifically correct (for example, our claim of psychiatric diagnosis invalidity is now affirmed by the National Institute of Mental Health), we continue to lose the political battle to giant drug companies and their allies in psychiatry. We are losing the political battle for exactly the reasons that Smucker addresses in Hegemony How-To. Smucker’s book speaks to me on another level. Like Smucker, I also have been frustrated by progressives’ exclusive focus on what’s wrong with the system while neglecting the real politics necessary to change it. In the “pre-Occupy era,” I observed how many progressives were behaving as if the general public was not politically engaged because they were ignorant of political realities. However, the polls showed that the majority of people did get how they were being screwed. In that era, it appeared to me that progressives were neglecting the reality that many Americans had become politically “broken” and demoralized; that the truth was not setting them free to act; and that a psychology of oppression had been created which required a liberation psychology. I wrote about this in Get Up, Stand Up, published in the spring of 2011; and in the summer of 2011, I was happy to hear some Occupy organizers were reading it. When Occupy Wall Street took off in the fall of 2011, my publisher donated 100 copies to the Occupy Wall Street library. However, within a few months, these books, along with the rest of the library and the encampment, had gotten thrown in dumpsters by the New York City Police Department during its Zuccotti Park invasion. After that, it appeared to me that all that we—myself included—had accomplished were our own ego trips. But now owing to Smucker, I am happy to say that we can gain more out of the Occupy movement than ego trips. We can learn something from what Occupy did manage to pull off but we can learn even more from the movement’s mistakes, and we can learn to embrace power, become politically smarter, and focus on what it actually takes to win. Join the debate on Facebook Bruce E. Levine, a practicing clinical psychologist, writes and speaks about how society, culture, politics and psychology intersect. He is the author of Get Up, Stand Up: Uniting Populists, Energizing the Defeated, and Battling the Corporate Elite (Chelsea Green Publishing, 2011). His webs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With that, Dee Dum Don's most disturbing act to date is his sudden dismissal of this country's top law enforcement officer while in the midst of a national security investigation (sad). Unfortunately, the only thing now standing between the American people and this madman is a worthless, sniveling Republican-controlled congress (bad). BRETT THOMPSON -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 22 11:26:09 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 11:26:09 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News Gazette Letter Message-ID: It’s the dangerous leader, the dangerous government in our march to war. Home » Opinion » Letters to the Editor Leader a menace to free world Thu, 05/18/2017 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette Like many Americans, I'm very concerned about the recent erratic behavior of one of the world's nuclear-armed dictators. Each day brings fresh news coverage of this portly figure with funny hair issuing bizarre nonsensical statements. Despite appearing to be mentally unstable, this so-called world leader still has considerable resources at his disposal. He is the leader of a radical right-wing group known as the GOP that has recently declared war on the American people. He also commands a vast legion of internet trolls who blindly follow his every word. With that, Dee Dum Don's most disturbing act to date is his sudden dismissal of this country's top law enforcement officer while in the midst of a national security investigation (sad). Unfortunately, the only thing now standing between the American people and this madman is a worthless, sniveling Republican-controlled congress (bad). BRETT THOMPSON -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 22 14:33:02 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 14:33:02 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Chilling Trump speech, listen to Media Benjamin and Trita Parsi analysis on DN.Org Message-ID: Democracy Now covers Trumps speech in Saudi, which is really chilling. Listen to what Medea Benjamin and Trita Parsi have to say. See: WWW.DemocracyNow.Org From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 22 14:33:02 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 14:33:02 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Chilling Trump speech, listen to Media Benjamin and Trita Parsi analysis on DN.Org Message-ID: Democracy Now covers Trumps speech in Saudi, which is really chilling. Listen to what Medea Benjamin and Trita Parsi have to say. See: WWW.DemocracyNow.Org From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon May 22 14:47:20 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 14:47:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Trump in Riyadh And Oil Wars | Countercurrents Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:43 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Trump in Riyadh And Oil Wars | Countercurrents http://www.countercurrents.org/2017/05/22/trump-in-riyadh-and-oil-wars/ From cge at shout.net Mon May 22 16:14:04 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 11:14:04 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] President's speech in Saudi Arabia In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <67ddb84dcd90b85ed6339a05eaf437a4@shout.net> Message-ID: <732e53f32e95c5347b2620f67bb496b3@shout.net> To the editor, Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette: The US launched an aggressive war against Iraq in 2003 and killed perhaps a million people - but then lost the war to the Iraqi Shia, allied with Iran. The US has been torturing Iran since the CIA overthrew a democratic government there in 1953, but Iran has now largely freed itself of US control. On his visit to Saudi Arabia, President Trump announced a new crusade against Iran - a second round of the Iraq debacle - but the matter is complicated now (as it wasn't in 2003) by the Mideast presence of Russia (and China). Of course US war-making is illegal under the UN charter (and the US Constitution), while Russia's presence - at the invitation of the legitimate governments of Syria and Iran - is legal. But that doesn't stop the US from fomenting war by means of its clients in the KSA and the GCC, in order to continue its generations-long control of oil from the region - to the profits on the US 1%. American leaders of this and earlier administrations are liable for prosecution as the German leaders were at Nuremberg, for initiating “a war of aggression ... the supreme international crime...” The Clinton administration admitted its sanctions killed a half million children in Iraq in the 1990s; the Obama and Trump administrations have placed similar sanctions on Iran. We must demand that the government for which we are responsible stop killing men, women, and children in the Mideast and bring all US troops (and weapons) home. --C. G. Estabrook From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon May 22 16:21:09 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:21:09 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Trump in Riyadh And Oil Wars | Countercurrents Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:43 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Trump in Riyadh And Oil Wars | Countercurrents http://www.countercurrents.org/2017/05/22/trump-in-riyadh-and-oil-wars/ From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 22 20:26:34 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 20:26:34 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Counterpunch References: Message-ID: My personal opinion on this article in relation to the Occupy Movement, is that they were very successful. Perhaps not in their ultimate goal, but successful in organizing and bringing together in common cause, people of differing issues. Those issues were related, whether war, or impoverishment and they focus of their grievances was accurate Wall Street. Wall Street is one of the major influences on US foreign as well as domestic policy. As to “power,” I like what Chris Hedges said recently “it’s not for us to acquire power, it’s for us to scare the shit out of “power.” Unfortunately, power may have grown too powerful, to be scared of the people. MAY 19, 2017 “Hegemony How-To”: Rethinking Activism and Embracing Power by BRUCE E. LEVINE * * * * Email * * [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/07/print-sp.png] Occupy Wall Street insider Jonathan Smucker’s recently published Hegemony How-To: a Roadmap for Radicals (AK Press, 2017) is the post-Occupy guide for how to be smarter about politics. Smucker, a long-time grassroots organizer, does not dismiss what Occupy did right but is honest about its failures. The 99% remain just as powerless as ever, and we still have endless wars, corporate control, and increasing social and economic injustices. In the tradition of Saul Alinsky and Antonio Gramsci, Smucker points out that “knowledge of what is wrong with a social system and knowledge of how to change the system are two completely different categories of knowledge.” Before touching on how Hegemony How-Tospeaks directly to my own experience, a feel for Smucker’s punches. Smucker spares nothing and no one—including himself—in his passion to achieve political victory. Smucker asks himself: “How many times, I wondered, had I favored a particular action or tactic because I really thought it was likely to change a decision-maker’s position or win over key allies, as opposed to gravitating toward an action because it expressed my activist identity and self-conception? How concerned were we really, in our practice, with political outcomes?” Smucker concludes, “We often seemed more preoccupied with the purity of our political expression than with how to move from Point A to Point B. It felt as if having the right line about everything was more important than making measurable progress on anything.” Smucker does not ignore what Occupy Wall Street did well. “OccupyWall Street,” for many Americans, was a way of saying “Fuck Wall Street” and standing up to it. Through its language of the 99% and the 1%, Occupy compelled the mainstream media to talk about class injustice, and so Occupy helped restore some sense of class consciousness. Occupying public space gave powerless people a taste of power and gave many alienated people a taste of community. However, Smucker is frustrated that Occupy couldn’t move to the next level and actually accomplish political goals such as creating greater economic and social justice. And so Smucker, like a good coach, replays the game film to see how his team caught the 1% by surprise, gained an advantage—but then lost the game. Failed social movements, Smucker tells us, often don’t overcome the political identify paradox. Specifically, social movements need to foster a group identify and have a dedicated core willing to put in many hours. But fostering this group identity can lead to [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2017/05/hegemonyhowto.jpg] isolation and failure to connect with others outside the group. The group that only cares about cohesiveness and maintaining its identity is not going to accomplish anything but just that. Focusing exclusively on creating a strong identify can “create a wall between them and potential allies.” Smucker observes, “Building a community, for example, is a worthy pursuit. But these motivations become a problem when they trump our motivation to accomplish our ostensible political goals.” One byproduct of focusing too much on group identity is being dismissive of potential allies because they were not radical enough. For Smucker, “Every time a prominent supporter was snubbed, a message was sent to all potential supporters: ‘Your support is not wanted. This thing is ours.’ ” Successful social movements build a large base of support “outside the choir,” and they put great effort into actively courting influential supporters. Smucker tells us, “Occupy Wall Street had an incredible opportunity to do this—indeed, many influential supporters were courting us—but too often we did precisely the opposite.” While most people would label Smucker as a major “activist,” Smucker disdains the word activist, and he encourages people to abandon it. He proclaims, “I dislike the label activist. . . It lets everyone else off the hook!” This “activism” self-identification simply sets you apart from the broader society that you need to engage in. Smucker reflects that activism “has morphed into a specific identify that centers on a hobby—something akin to being a skier or a ‘theater person—rather than a civic or political responsibility that necessarily traverses groups and interests.” When activists seek only mutual validations from likeminded activists, Smucker points out, “some of the most idealistic and collectively minded young people in society remove themselves voluntarily from the institutions and social networks that they were organically positioned to influence and contest.” If people want change, they must continue connecting with the greater society. At a deeper level, the Occupy movement, and many radicals, fail because of what Smucker calls their “humanistic ambivalence toward power”—they are uncomfortable with power, while their opposition is not. Hegemony refers to leadership or predominant influence, and Smucker tells us, “I am well aware that the title of this book may be read by some of my comrades as a provocation, insofar as it suggests that hegemony is not in and of itself something to stand against, but rather something to attain. To be clear, it is intended to be a provocation.” Smucker reacquaints us with Martin Luther King’s observations about power, “Power properly understood is nothing but the ability to achieve purpose . . . And one of the great problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have usually been contrasted as opposites—polar opposites—so that love is identified with a resignation of power, and power with a denial of love.” King concludes, “It is precisely this collision of immoral power with powerless morality which constitutes the major crisis of our times.” One reason that the civil rights movement in the 1960s was successful was that movement members across its spectrum, from Malcolm X to Martin Luther King, while differing on the strategies for acquiring power, embraced the need for power. Smucker’s book provides some much needed “linguistic-political therapy.” For example, he points out that the phrase “the personal is political” is now often used to mean something almost completely opposite of its original meaning. He reminds us that the phrase was first used by Carol Hanisch in 1969 to mean that when we talk among ourselves, we realize that what we may have considered to be our individual personal problems are societal and structural problems that require collective political actions. However, today, the phrase has come to mean that individual actions, such as consumer ones, are political actions; and the phrase is used to justify not being involved in collective political actions. Buying “green” is not a bad thing, but the loss of the true meaning of “the personal is political” is one other way that we have become politically impotent. In addition to providing linguistic therapy and not pulling any punches in his analyses, Smucker’s book is replete with “how-to” specifics in the areas of building a larger base, creating a “leaderful” (not leaderless) movement, organizing, and teamwork. Hegemony How-To speaks directly to my own experiences on a couple of different levels. For the last twenty years, I have been involved in the social justice movement for truly informed choice in mental health (the “go to” publication for this movement is Mad in America). Despite our movement having been repeatedly proven scientifically correct (for example, our claim of psychiatric diagnosis invalidity is now affirmed by the National Institute of Mental Health), we continue to lose the political battle to giant drug companies and their allies in psychiatry. We are losing the political battle for exactly the reasons that Smucker addresses in Hegemony How-To. Smucker’s book speaks to me on another level. Like Smucker, I also have been frustrated by progressives’ exclusive focus on what’s wrong with the system while neglecting the real politics necessary to change it. In the “pre-Occupy era,” I observed how many progressives were behaving as if the general public was not politically engaged because they were ignorant of political realities. However, the polls showed that the majority of people did get how they were being screwed. In that era, it appeared to me that progressives were neglecting the reality that many Americans had become politically “broken” and demoralized; that the truth was not setting them free to act; and that a psychology of oppression had been created which required a liberation psychology. I wrote about this in Get Up, Stand Up, published in the spring of 2011; and in the summer of 2011, I was happy to hear some Occupy organizers were reading it. When Occupy Wall Street took off in the fall of 2011, my publisher donated 100 copies to the Occupy Wall Street library. However, within a few months, these books, along with the rest of the library and the encampment, had gotten thrown in dumpsters by the New York City Police Department during its Zuccotti Park invasion. After that, it appeared to me that all that we—myself included—had accomplished were our own ego trips. But now owing to Smucker, I am happy to say that we can gain more out of the Occupy movement than ego trips. We can learn something from what Occupy did manage to pull off but we can learn even more from the movement’s mistakes, and we can learn to embrace power, become politically smarter, and focus on what it actually takes to win. Join the debate on Facebook Bruce E. Levine, a practicing clinical psychologist, writes and speaks about how society, culture, politics and psychology intersect. He is the author of Get Up, Stand Up: Uniting Populists, Energizing the Defeated, and Battling the Corporate Elite (Chelsea Green Publishing, 2011). His webs _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LEVINE * * * * Email * * [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/07/print-sp.png] Occupy Wall Street insider Jonathan Smucker’s recently published Hegemony How-To: a Roadmap for Radicals (AK Press, 2017) is the post-Occupy guide for how to be smarter about politics. Smucker, a long-time grassroots organizer, does not dismiss what Occupy did right but is honest about its failures. The 99% remain just as powerless as ever, and we still have endless wars, corporate control, and increasing social and economic injustices. In the tradition of Saul Alinsky and Antonio Gramsci, Smucker points out that “knowledge of what is wrong with a social system and knowledge of how to change the system are two completely different categories of knowledge.” Before touching on how Hegemony How-Tospeaks directly to my own experience, a feel for Smucker’s punches. Smucker spares nothing and no one—including himself—in his passion to achieve political victory. Smucker asks himself: “How many times, I wondered, had I favored a particular action or tactic because I really thought it was likely to change a decision-maker’s position or win over key allies, as opposed to gravitating toward an action because it expressed my activist identity and self-conception? How concerned were we really, in our practice, with political outcomes?” Smucker concludes, “We often seemed more preoccupied with the purity of our political expression than with how to move from Point A to Point B. It felt as if having the right line about everything was more important than making measurable progress on anything.” Smucker does not ignore what Occupy Wall Street did well. “OccupyWall Street,” for many Americans, was a way of saying “Fuck Wall Street” and standing up to it. Through its language of the 99% and the 1%, Occupy compelled the mainstream media to talk about class injustice, and so Occupy helped restore some sense of class consciousness. Occupying public space gave powerless people a taste of power and gave many alienated people a taste of community. However, Smucker is frustrated that Occupy couldn’t move to the next level and actually accomplish political goals such as creating greater economic and social justice. And so Smucker, like a good coach, replays the game film to see how his team caught the 1% by surprise, gained an advantage—but then lost the game. Failed social movements, Smucker tells us, often don’t overcome the political identify paradox. Specifically, social movements need to foster a group identify and have a dedicated core willing to put in many hours. But fostering this group identity can lead to [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2017/05/hegemonyhowto.jpg] isolation and failure to connect with others outside the group. The group that only cares about cohesiveness and maintaining its identity is not going to accomplish anything but just that. Focusing exclusively on creating a strong identify can “create a wall between them and potential allies.” Smucker observes, “Building a community, for example, is a worthy pursuit. But these motivations become a problem when they trump our motivation to accomplish our ostensible political goals.” One byproduct of focusing too much on group identity is being dismissive of potential allies because they were not radical enough. For Smucker, “Every time a prominent supporter was snubbed, a message was sent to all potential supporters: ‘Your support is not wanted. This thing is ours.’ ” Successful social movements build a large base of support “outside the choir,” and they put great effort into actively courting influential supporters. Smucker tells us, “Occupy Wall Street had an incredible opportunity to do this—indeed, many influential supporters were courting us—but too often we did precisely the opposite.” While most people would label Smucker as a major “activist,” Smucker disdains the word activist, and he encourages people to abandon it. He proclaims, “I dislike the label activist. . . It lets everyone else off the hook!” This “activism” self-identification simply sets you apart from the broader society that you need to engage in. Smucker reflects that activism “has morphed into a specific identify that centers on a hobby—something akin to being a skier or a ‘theater person—rather than a civic or political responsibility that necessarily traverses groups and interests.” When activists seek only mutual validations from likeminded activists, Smucker points out, “some of the most idealistic and collectively minded young people in society remove themselves voluntarily from the institutions and social networks that they were organically positioned to influence and contest.” If people want change, they must continue connecting with the greater society. At a deeper level, the Occupy movement, and many radicals, fail because of what Smucker calls their “humanistic ambivalence toward power”—they are uncomfortable with power, while their opposition is not. Hegemony refers to leadership or predominant influence, and Smucker tells us, “I am well aware that the title of this book may be read by some of my comrades as a provocation, insofar as it suggests that hegemony is not in and of itself something to stand against, but rather something to attain. To be clear, it is intended to be a provocation.” Smucker reacquaints us with Martin Luther King’s observations about power, “Power properly understood is nothing but the ability to achieve purpose . . . And one of the great problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have usually been contrasted as opposites—polar opposites—so that love is identified with a resignation of power, and power with a denial of love.” King concludes, “It is precisely this collision of immoral power with powerless morality which constitutes the major crisis of our times.” One reason that the civil rights movement in the 1960s was successful was that movement members across its spectrum, from Malcolm X to Martin Luther King, while differing on the strategies for acquiring power, embraced the need for power. Smucker’s book provides some much needed “linguistic-political therapy.” For example, he points out that the phrase “the personal is political” is now often used to mean something almost completely opposite of its original meaning. He reminds us that the phrase was first used by Carol Hanisch in 1969 to mean that when we talk among ourselves, we realize that what we may have considered to be our individual personal problems are societal and structural problems that require collective political actions. However, today, the phrase has come to mean that individual actions, such as consumer ones, are political actions; and the phrase is used to justify not being involved in collective political actions. Buying “green” is not a bad thing, but the loss of the true meaning of “the personal is political” is one other way that we have become politically impotent. In addition to providing linguistic therapy and not pulling any punches in his analyses, Smucker’s book is replete with “how-to” specifics in the areas of building a larger base, creating a “leaderful” (not leaderless) movement, organizing, and teamwork. Hegemony How-To speaks directly to my own experiences on a couple of different levels. For the last twenty years, I have been involved in the social justice movement for truly informed choice in mental health (the “go to” publication for this movement is Mad in America). Despite our movement having been repeatedly proven scientifically correct (for example, our claim of psychiatric diagnosis invalidity is now affirmed by the National Institute of Mental Health), we continue to lose the political battle to giant drug companies and their allies in psychiatry. We are losing the political battle for exactly the reasons that Smucker addresses in Hegemony How-To. Smucker’s book speaks to me on another level. Like Smucker, I also have been frustrated by progressives’ exclusive focus on what’s wrong with the system while neglecting the real politics necessary to change it. In the “pre-Occupy era,” I observed how many progressives were behaving as if the general public was not politically engaged because they were ignorant of political realities. However, the polls showed that the majority of people did get how they were being screwed. In that era, it appeared to me that progressives were neglecting the reality that many Americans had become politically “broken” and demoralized; that the truth was not setting them free to act; and that a psychology of oppression had been created which required a liberation psychology. I wrote about this in Get Up, Stand Up, published in the spring of 2011; and in the summer of 2011, I was happy to hear some Occupy organizers were reading it. When Occupy Wall Street took off in the fall of 2011, my publisher donated 100 copies to the Occupy Wall Street library. However, within a few months, these books, along with the rest of the library and the encampment, had gotten thrown in dumpsters by the New York City Police Department during its Zuccotti Park invasion. After that, it appeared to me that all that we—myself included—had accomplished were our own ego trips. But now owing to Smucker, I am happy to say that we can gain more out of the Occupy movement than ego trips. We can learn something from what Occupy did manage to pull off but we can learn even more from the movement’s mistakes, and we can learn to embrace power, become politically smarter, and focus on what it actually takes to win. Join the debate on Facebook Bruce E. Levine, a practicing clinical psychologist, writes and speaks about how society, culture, politics and psychology intersect. He is the author of Get Up, Stand Up: Uniting Populists, Energizing the Defeated, and Battling the Corporate Elite (Chelsea Green Publishing, 2011). His webs _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 22 20:41:46 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 20:41:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [New post] Let them eat cake!! References: <61854989.1794.0@wordpress.com> Message-ID: A land where I resided for 22 years, there was a thriving middle class, though no one ever concerned themselves with the poor. Then the elites decided it was time to take action against those pesky protestors, and allowed one of the military factions to take over by way of a coup. The status of Thailand, land of smiles, is business as usual with tourists ever flocking to the beaches and temples etc. The poor continue to be poor and the middle class is generally content to have streets cleared of protestors, never mind the choking smog and poverty throughout the provinces. One wonders how long this will continue………see below: Begin forwarded message: From: Uglytruth-Thailand > Subject: [New post] Let them eat cake!! Date: May 20, 2017 at 22:25:34 PDT New post on Uglytruth-Thailand [http://s0.wp.com/i/emails/blavatar.png] [http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/b94c98491e599510a5ec039e64af3261?s=50&d=identicon&r=G] Let them eat cake!! by uglytruththailand Giles Ji Ungpakorn Generalissimo Prayut has been frothing at the mouth about the poor. The junta’s idea about dealing with poverty was to make poor people go through the demeaning process of registering themselves as “poor” in order to receive small miserable payments. This year about 13 million people registered. At the same time, the junta has made attempts to cut the minimum wage and cut spending on health and education. [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/patron_client.gif?w=560] Millionaire dictator Prayut (worth 129 million baht three years ago) helped himself to state funded salaries by seizing power in a military coup. Top Thai generals grab much more than their military salaries by giving themselves multiple paid positions and creaming off percentages from arms purchases and other under the table activities. Yet Prayut had the gall to give a lecture to the poor. The poor, he said, need to change their life-styles and stop being “lazy”. He ranted that the country could not afford to look after the poor. This is at a time when the junta’s cronies have been helping themselves to salaries for doing nothing, while never attending meetings. No doubt they have been “hard at work” lining their own pockets with various corrupt business dealings and state paid foreign shopping trips. In the same week megalomaniac Prayut ranted about nurses. Thousands of nurses have been protesting because they are sick and tired of their temporary contracts and low pay. Their main demand is to be appointed as permanent state employees. At the same time, two thousand temporary staff at the Ministry of Justice are facing uncertainty about their futures. [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/5e15af2ff8aa4a50b2f522f1afc8a896_620.jpg?w=300] Prayut harangued the nurses, asking them if they thought they were the only people who worked hard. He shouted that the country couldn’t afford to give everyone permanent jobs. The military then announced that they were in the process of buying some more tanks. This is after huge sums were spent on buying Chinese submarines. The junta are also spending millions on the late king’s funeral and the new king is enjoying himself flitting around in his own state funded airliner between his palace in Germany and royal palaces in Thailand. Over the last three years since Prayut’s coup, military spending has sky-rocketed, increasing every year by huge amounts. Currently the military budget stands at 222 billion baht, more than the government spends on public health. [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/e242e6f404b748809d2aca3f70a78cf8.jpg?w=300] After the nurses protested, the Ministry of Health promised to gradually appoint some of them to permanent posts over a period of 3 years. This falls short of the nurses’ demands, but it does show that mass protests are effective and still possible if people have the determination. After threatening to shut down Facebook unless they censored articles and pictures which the junta do not like, Prayut gave a TV lecture on the need for Thai people to “think outside the box”. He claimed that the government was doing all that it could to develop the use of the internet! In reality anyone daring to think outside the junta’s box faces being dragged off for “attitude changing sessions” in secret military camps and also being imprisoned under the draconian lèse-majesté law. Merely asking in public about the missing 1932 revolution plaque, or attempting to commemorate Prayut’s massacre of Red Shirt pro-democracy demonstrators in 2010, has resulted in arrests. [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/34371036740_eb3a97c9fa.jpg?w=300] [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/18519654_10154620174321699_633740128743057462_n.jpg?w=300] This is indeed a lying, corrupt and hypocritical authoritarian regime. uglytruththailand | May 21, 2017 at 5:25 am | Tags: General Prayut Chan-ocha, Giles Ji Ungpakorn, Military junta, nurses protest, poverty, Thai politics, Welfare State | Categories: Thai politics | URL: http://wp.me/p4bxj7-sW Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from Uglytruth-Thailand. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions. Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: https://uglytruththailand.wordpress.com/2017/05/21/let-them-eat-cake/ Thanks for flying with [https://s0.wp.com/i/emails/blavatar-default.png] WordPress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 22 20:41:46 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 20:41:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [New post] Let them eat cake!! References: <61854989.1794.0@wordpress.com> Message-ID: A land where I resided for 22 years, there was a thriving middle class, though no one ever concerned themselves with the poor. Then the elites decided it was time to take action against those pesky protestors, and allowed one of the military factions to take over by way of a coup. The status of Thailand, land of smiles, is business as usual with tourists ever flocking to the beaches and temples etc. The poor continue to be poor and the middle class is generally content to have streets cleared of protestors, never mind the choking smog and poverty throughout the provinces. One wonders how long this will continue………see below: Begin forwarded message: From: Uglytruth-Thailand > Subject: [New post] Let them eat cake!! Date: May 20, 2017 at 22:25:34 PDT New post on Uglytruth-Thailand [http://s0.wp.com/i/emails/blavatar.png] [http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/b94c98491e599510a5ec039e64af3261?s=50&d=identicon&r=G] Let them eat cake!! by uglytruththailand Giles Ji Ungpakorn Generalissimo Prayut has been frothing at the mouth about the poor. The junta’s idea about dealing with poverty was to make poor people go through the demeaning process of registering themselves as “poor” in order to receive small miserable payments. This year about 13 million people registered. At the same time, the junta has made attempts to cut the minimum wage and cut spending on health and education. [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/patron_client.gif?w=560] Millionaire dictator Prayut (worth 129 million baht three years ago) helped himself to state funded salaries by seizing power in a military coup. Top Thai generals grab much more than their military salaries by giving themselves multiple paid positions and creaming off percentages from arms purchases and other under the table activities. Yet Prayut had the gall to give a lecture to the poor. The poor, he said, need to change their life-styles and stop being “lazy”. He ranted that the country could not afford to look after the poor. This is at a time when the junta’s cronies have been helping themselves to salaries for doing nothing, while never attending meetings. No doubt they have been “hard at work” lining their own pockets with various corrupt business dealings and state paid foreign shopping trips. In the same week megalomaniac Prayut ranted about nurses. Thousands of nurses have been protesting because they are sick and tired of their temporary contracts and low pay. Their main demand is to be appointed as permanent state employees. At the same time, two thousand temporary staff at the Ministry of Justice are facing uncertainty about their futures. [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/5e15af2ff8aa4a50b2f522f1afc8a896_620.jpg?w=300] Prayut harangued the nurses, asking them if they thought they were the only people who worked hard. He shouted that the country couldn’t afford to give everyone permanent jobs. The military then announced that they were in the process of buying some more tanks. This is after huge sums were spent on buying Chinese submarines. The junta are also spending millions on the late king’s funeral and the new king is enjoying himself flitting around in his own state funded airliner between his palace in Germany and royal palaces in Thailand. Over the last three years since Prayut’s coup, military spending has sky-rocketed, increasing every year by huge amounts. Currently the military budget stands at 222 billion baht, more than the government spends on public health. [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/e242e6f404b748809d2aca3f70a78cf8.jpg?w=300] After the nurses protested, the Ministry of Health promised to gradually appoint some of them to permanent posts over a period of 3 years. This falls short of the nurses’ demands, but it does show that mass protests are effective and still possible if people have the determination. After threatening to shut down Facebook unless they censored articles and pictures which the junta do not like, Prayut gave a TV lecture on the need for Thai people to “think outside the box”. He claimed that the government was doing all that it could to develop the use of the internet! In reality anyone daring to think outside the junta’s box faces being dragged off for “attitude changing sessions” in secret military camps and also being imprisoned under the draconian lèse-majesté law. Merely asking in public about the missing 1932 revolution plaque, or attempting to commemorate Prayut’s massacre of Red Shirt pro-democracy demonstrators in 2010, has resulted in arrests. [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/34371036740_eb3a97c9fa.jpg?w=300] [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/18519654_10154620174321699_633740128743057462_n.jpg?w=300] This is indeed a lying, corrupt and hypocritical authoritarian regime. uglytruththailand | May 21, 2017 at 5:25 am | Tags: General Prayut Chan-ocha, Giles Ji Ungpakorn, Military junta, nurses protest, poverty, Thai politics, Welfare State | Categories: Thai politics | URL: http://wp.me/p4bxj7-sW Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from Uglytruth-Thailand. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions. Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: https://uglytruththailand.wordpress.com/2017/05/21/let-them-eat-cake/ Thanks for flying with [https://s0.wp.com/i/emails/blavatar-default.png] WordPress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 22 23:05:42 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 23:05:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Death of the Republic by Chris Hedges Message-ID: Published on Monday, May 22, 2017 by Truthdig The Death of the Republic by Chris Hedges * * * * * * * 28 Comments [https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/styles/cd_large/public/views-article/screen_shot_2017-05-22_at_10.09.59_am.png?itok=o4-P-rS1] The damage to the republic is deeper than Donald Trump. And even when he does, the threat of anti-democratic tyranny will remain. (Cartoon: Mr. Fish/TruthDig) The deep state’s decision in ancient Rome—dominated by a bloated military and a corrupt oligarchy, much like the United States of 2017—to strangle the vain and idiotic Emperor Commodus in his bath in the year 192 did not halt the growing chaos and precipitous decline of the Roman Empire. Commodus, like a number of other late Roman emperors, and like President Trump, was incompetent and consumed by his own vanity. He commissioned innumerable statues of himself as Hercules and had little interest in governance. He used his position as head of state to make himself the star of his own ongoing public show. He fought victoriously as a gladiator in the arena in fixed bouts. Power for Commodus, as it is for Trump, was primarily about catering to his bottomless narcissism, hedonism and lust for wealth. He sold public offices so the ancient equivalents of Betsy DeVos and Steve Mnuchin could orchestrate a vast kleptocracy. "The vast disconnect between the purported values of the state and reality renders political discourse absurd." Commodus was replaced by the reformer Pertinax, the Bernie Sanders of his day, who attempted in vain to curb the power of the Praetorian Guards, the ancient version of the military-industrial complex. This effort saw the Praetorian Guards assassinate Pertinax after he was in power only three months. The Guards then auctioned off the office of emperor to the highest bidder. The next emperor, Didius Julianus, lasted 66 days. There would be five emperors in A.D. 193, the year after the assassination of Commodus. Trump and our decaying empire have ominous historical precedents. If the deep state replaces Trump, whose ineptitude and imbecility are embarrassing to the empire, that action will not restore our democracy any more than replacing Commodus restored democracy in Rome. Our republic is dead. Societies that once were open and had democratic traditions are easy prey for the enemies of democracy. These demagogues pay deference to the patriotic ideals, rituals, practices and forms of the old democratic political system while dismantling it. When the Roman Emperor Augustus—he referred to himself as the “first citizen”—neutered the republic, he was careful to maintain the form of the old republic. Lenin and the Bolsheviks did the same when they seized and crushed the autonomous soviets. Even the Nazis and the Stalinists insisted they ruled democratic states. Thomas Paine wrote that despotic government is a fungus that grows out of a corrupt civil society. This is what happened to these older democracies. It is what happened to us. Our constitutional rights—due process, habeas corpus, privacy, a fair trial, freedom from exploitation, fair elections and dissent—have been taken from us by judicial fiat. These rights exist only in name. The vast disconnect between the purported values of the state and reality renders political discourse absurd. Corporations, cannibalizing the federal budget, legally empower themselves to exploit and pillage. It is impossible to vote against the interests of Goldman Sachs or ExxonMobil. The pharmaceutical and insurance industries can hold sick children hostage while their parents bankrupt themselves trying to save their sons or daughters. Those burdened by student loans can never wipe out the debt by declaring bankruptcy. In many states, those who attempt to publicize the conditions in the vast factory farms where diseased animals are warehoused for slaughter can be charged with a criminal offense. Corporations legally carry out tax boycotts. Companies have orchestrated free trade deals that destroy small farmers and businesses and deindustrialize the country. Labor unions and government agencies designed to protect the public from contaminated air, water and food and from usurious creditors and lenders have been defanged. The Supreme Court, in an inversion of rights worthy of George Orwell, defines unlimited corporate contributions to electoral campaigns as a right to petition the government or a form of free speech. Much of the press, owned by large corporations, is an echo chamber for the elites. State and city enterprises and utilities are sold to corporations that hike rates and deny services to the poor. The educational system is being slowly privatized and turned into a species of vocational training. Wages are stagnant or have declined. Unemployment and underemployment—masked by falsified statistics—have thrust half the country into chronic poverty. Social services are abolished in the name of austerity. Culture and the arts have been replaced by sexual commodification, banal entertainment and graphic depictions of violence. The infrastructure, neglected and underfunded, is collapsing. Bankruptcies, foreclosures, arrests, food shortages and untreated illnesses that lead to early death plague a harried underclass. The desperate flee into an underground economy dominated by drugs, crime and human trafficking. The state, rather than address the economic misery, militarizes police departments and empowers them to use lethal force against unarmed civilians. It fills the prisons with 2.3 million citizens, only a tiny percentage of whom had a trial. One million prisoners work for corporations inside prisons as modern-day slaves. The amendments of the Constitution, designed to protect the citizen from tyranny, are meaningless. The Fourth Amendment, for example, reads: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” The reality is that our telephone calls, emails, texts and financial, judicial and medical records, along with every website we visit and our physical travels, are tracked, recorded and stored in perpetuity in government computer banks. The state tortures, not only in black sites such as those at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan or at Guantanamo Bay, but also in supermax ADX [administrative maximum] facilities such as the one at Florence, Colo., where inmates suffer psychological breakdowns from prolonged solitary confinement. Prisoners, although they are citizens, endure around-the-clock electronic monitoring and 23-hour-a-day lockdowns. They undergo extreme sensory deprivation. They endure beatings. They must shower and go to the bathroom on camera. They can write only one letter a week to one relative and cannot use more than three pieces of paper. They often have no access to fresh air and take their one hour of daily recreation in a huge cage that resembles a treadmill for hamsters. The state uses “special administrative measures,” known as SAMs, to strip prisoners of their judicial rights. SAMs restrict prisoners’ communication with the outside world. They end calls, letters and visits with anyone except attorneys and sharply limit contact with family members. Prisoners under SAMs are not permitted to see most of the evidence against them because of a legal provision called the Classified Information Procedures Act, or CIPA. CIPA, begun under the Reagan administration, allows evidence in a trial to be classified and withheld from those being prosecuted. You can be tried and convicted, like Joseph K. in Franz Kafka’s “The Trial,” without ever seeing the evidence used to find you guilty. Under SAMs, it is against the law for those who have contact with an inmate—including attorneys—to speak about his or her physical and psychological conditions. And when prisoners are released, they have lost the right to vote and receive public assistance and are burdened with fines that, if unpaid, will put them back behind bars. They are subject to arbitrary searches and arrests. They spend the rest of their lives marginalized as members of a vast criminal caste. The executive branch of government has empowered itself to assassinate U.S. citizens. It can call the Army into the streets to quell civil unrest under Section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act, which ended a prohibition on the military acting as a domestic police force. The executive branch can order the military to seize U.S. citizens deemed to be terrorists or associated with terrorists. This is called “extraordinary rendition.” Those taken into custody by the military can be denied due process and habeas corpus rights and held indefinitely in military facilities. Activists and dissidents, whose rights were once protected under the First Amendment, can face indefinite incarceration. Constitutionally protected statements, beliefs and associations are criminalized. The state assumed the power to detain and prosecute people not for what they have done, or even for what they are planning to do, but for holding religious or political beliefs that the state deems seditious. The first of those targeted have been observant Muslims, but they will not be the last. The outward forms of democratic participation—voting, competing political parties, judicial oversight and legislation—are meaningless theater. No one who lives under constant surveillance, who is subject to detention anywhere at any time, whose conversations, messages, meetings, proclivities and habits are recorded, stored and analyzed, who is powerless in the face of corporate exploitation, can be described as free. The relationship between the state and the citizen who is watched constantly is one of master and slave. And the shackles will not be removed if Trump disappears. © 2017 TruthDig [Chris Hedges] Chris Hedges writes a regular column for Truthdig.com. Hedges graduated from Harvard Divinity School and was for nearly two decades a foreign correspondent for The New York Times. He is the author of many books, including: War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning, What Every Person Should Know About War, and American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America. His most recent book is Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon May 22 23:05:42 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 23:05:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Death of the Republic by Chris Hedges Message-ID: Published on Monday, May 22, 2017 by Truthdig The Death of the Republic by Chris Hedges * * * * * * * 28 Comments [https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/styles/cd_large/public/views-article/screen_shot_2017-05-22_at_10.09.59_am.png?itok=o4-P-rS1] The damage to the republic is deeper than Donald Trump. And even when he does, the threat of anti-democratic tyranny will remain. (Cartoon: Mr. Fish/TruthDig) The deep state’s decision in ancient Rome—dominated by a bloated military and a corrupt oligarchy, much like the United States of 2017—to strangle the vain and idiotic Emperor Commodus in his bath in the year 192 did not halt the growing chaos and precipitous decline of the Roman Empire. Commodus, like a number of other late Roman emperors, and like President Trump, was incompetent and consumed by his own vanity. He commissioned innumerable statues of himself as Hercules and had little interest in governance. He used his position as head of state to make himself the star of his own ongoing public show. He fought victoriously as a gladiator in the arena in fixed bouts. Power for Commodus, as it is for Trump, was primarily about catering to his bottomless narcissism, hedonism and lust for wealth. He sold public offices so the ancient equivalents of Betsy DeVos and Steve Mnuchin could orchestrate a vast kleptocracy. "The vast disconnect between the purported values of the state and reality renders political discourse absurd." Commodus was replaced by the reformer Pertinax, the Bernie Sanders of his day, who attempted in vain to curb the power of the Praetorian Guards, the ancient version of the military-industrial complex. This effort saw the Praetorian Guards assassinate Pertinax after he was in power only three months. The Guards then auctioned off the office of emperor to the highest bidder. The next emperor, Didius Julianus, lasted 66 days. There would be five emperors in A.D. 193, the year after the assassination of Commodus. Trump and our decaying empire have ominous historical precedents. If the deep state replaces Trump, whose ineptitude and imbecility are embarrassing to the empire, that action will not restore our democracy any more than replacing Commodus restored democracy in Rome. Our republic is dead. Societies that once were open and had democratic traditions are easy prey for the enemies of democracy. These demagogues pay deference to the patriotic ideals, rituals, practices and forms of the old democratic political system while dismantling it. When the Roman Emperor Augustus—he referred to himself as the “first citizen”—neutered the republic, he was careful to maintain the form of the old republic. Lenin and the Bolsheviks did the same when they seized and crushed the autonomous soviets. Even the Nazis and the Stalinists insisted they ruled democratic states. Thomas Paine wrote that despotic government is a fungus that grows out of a corrupt civil society. This is what happened to these older democracies. It is what happened to us. Our constitutional rights—due process, habeas corpus, privacy, a fair trial, freedom from exploitation, fair elections and dissent—have been taken from us by judicial fiat. These rights exist only in name. The vast disconnect between the purported values of the state and reality renders political discourse absurd. Corporations, cannibalizing the federal budget, legally empower themselves to exploit and pillage. It is impossible to vote against the interests of Goldman Sachs or ExxonMobil. The pharmaceutical and insurance industries can hold sick children hostage while their parents bankrupt themselves trying to save their sons or daughters. Those burdened by student loans can never wipe out the debt by declaring bankruptcy. In many states, those who attempt to publicize the conditions in the vast factory farms where diseased animals are warehoused for slaughter can be charged with a criminal offense. Corporations legally carry out tax boycotts. Companies have orchestrated free trade deals that destroy small farmers and businesses and deindustrialize the country. Labor unions and government agencies designed to protect the public from contaminated air, water and food and from usurious creditors and lenders have been defanged. The Supreme Court, in an inversion of rights worthy of George Orwell, defines unlimited corporate contributions to electoral campaigns as a right to petition the government or a form of free speech. Much of the press, owned by large corporations, is an echo chamber for the elites. State and city enterprises and utilities are sold to corporations that hike rates and deny services to the poor. The educational system is being slowly privatized and turned into a species of vocational training. Wages are stagnant or have declined. Unemployment and underemployment—masked by falsified statistics—have thrust half the country into chronic poverty. Social services are abolished in the name of austerity. Culture and the arts have been replaced by sexual commodification, banal entertainment and graphic depictions of violence. The infrastructure, neglected and underfunded, is collapsing. Bankruptcies, foreclosures, arrests, food shortages and untreated illnesses that lead to early death plague a harried underclass. The desperate flee into an underground economy dominated by drugs, crime and human trafficking. The state, rather than address the economic misery, militarizes police departments and empowers them to use lethal force against unarmed civilians. It fills the prisons with 2.3 million citizens, only a tiny percentage of whom had a trial. One million prisoners work for corporations inside prisons as modern-day slaves. The amendments of the Constitution, designed to protect the citizen from tyranny, are meaningless. The Fourth Amendment, for example, reads: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” The reality is that our telephone calls, emails, texts and financial, judicial and medical records, along with every website we visit and our physical travels, are tracked, recorded and stored in perpetuity in government computer banks. The state tortures, not only in black sites such as those at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan or at Guantanamo Bay, but also in supermax ADX [administrative maximum] facilities such as the one at Florence, Colo., where inmates suffer psychological breakdowns from prolonged solitary confinement. Prisoners, although they are citizens, endure around-the-clock electronic monitoring and 23-hour-a-day lockdowns. They undergo extreme sensory deprivation. They endure beatings. They must shower and go to the bathroom on camera. They can write only one letter a week to one relative and cannot use more than three pieces of paper. They often have no access to fresh air and take their one hour of daily recreation in a huge cage that resembles a treadmill for hamsters. The state uses “special administrative measures,” known as SAMs, to strip prisoners of their judicial rights. SAMs restrict prisoners’ communication with the outside world. They end calls, letters and visits with anyone except attorneys and sharply limit contact with family members. Prisoners under SAMs are not permitted to see most of the evidence against them because of a legal provision called the Classified Information Procedures Act, or CIPA. CIPA, begun under the Reagan administration, allows evidence in a trial to be classified and withheld from those being prosecuted. You can be tried and convicted, like Joseph K. in Franz Kafka’s “The Trial,” without ever seeing the evidence used to find you guilty. Under SAMs, it is against the law for those who have contact with an inmate—including attorneys—to speak about his or her physical and psychological conditions. And when prisoners are released, they have lost the right to vote and receive public assistance and are burdened with fines that, if unpaid, will put them back behind bars. They are subject to arbitrary searches and arrests. They spend the rest of their lives marginalized as members of a vast criminal caste. The executive branch of government has empowered itself to assassinate U.S. citizens. It can call the Army into the streets to quell civil unrest under Section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act, which ended a prohibition on the military acting as a domestic police force. The executive branch can order the military to seize U.S. citizens deemed to be terrorists or associated with terrorists. This is called “extraordinary rendition.” Those taken into custody by the military can be denied due process and habeas corpus rights and held indefinitely in military facilities. Activists and dissidents, whose rights were once protected under the First Amendment, can face indefinite incarceration. Constitutionally protected statements, beliefs and associations are criminalized. The state assumed the power to detain and prosecute people not for what they have done, or even for what they are planning to do, but for holding religious or political beliefs that the state deems seditious. The first of those targeted have been observant Muslims, but they will not be the last. The outward forms of democratic participation—voting, competing political parties, judicial oversight and legislation—are meaningless theater. No one who lives under constant surveillance, who is subject to detention anywhere at any time, whose conversations, messages, meetings, proclivities and habits are recorded, stored and analyzed, who is powerless in the face of corporate exploitation, can be described as free. The relationship between the state and the citizen who is watched constantly is one of master and slave. And the shackles will not be removed if Trump disappears. © 2017 TruthDig [Chris Hedges] Chris Hedges writes a regular column for Truthdig.com. Hedges graduated from Harvard Divinity School and was for nearly two decades a foreign correspondent for The New York Times. He is the author of many books, including: War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning, What Every Person Should Know About War, and American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America. His most recent book is Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com Tue May 23 09:44:30 2017 From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 04:44:30 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] please sign this petition for The People's Budget Message-ID: Folks, We must push back on the destructive Trump/Republican agenda that would gut social services, give more tax breaks to the wealthy, and further bloat the military/industrial complex: Please sign this petition for The People's Budget: https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/peoples-budget-citizen-cosponsor-prog-dems Please sign and share widely. Thanks, Deb From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue May 23 10:58:04 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 10:58:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Trump Returning US Mideast Policy to Traditional Total Support for Saudi Arabia Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:53 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Trump Returning US Mideast Policy to Traditional Total Support for Saudi Arabia https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201705231053882242-trump-total-support-saudi-arabia/ University of Illinois Professor of Law Francis Boyle agreed that Trump was reverted to traditional US support for Saudi Arabia seeking to regain more access to its oil wealth. Moreover, Boyle noted that Trump is just another promoter of US imperialism all over the world. "Trump forthrightly and proudly admitted that the United States is in the Middle East in order to steal their oil. At least he was honest about it. Unlike his predecessors," he stated. However, Boyle warned that this reversion to traditional US policy in the region could provoke reactions that might set off a global conflagration. "The serial imperial aggression launched and menaced by the Republican [George W.] Bush administration and then the Democratic Obama administration and now the Trump administration are threatening to set off World War III," he said. US President Donald Trump bids farewell before he and first lady Melania Trump board Air Force One to depart for Israel from King Khalid International Airport in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia May 22, 2017. (c) REUTERS/ Jonathan Ernst Trump in Riyadh: President Managed to Create Unified Front With Key Arab Allies By exploiting the events of September 11, 2001, the George W. Bush administration had attempted to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples of Central Asia, the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of fighting a war against international terrorism, Boyle explaiend. "The geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world's hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundamental and energizer of the global economic system - oil and gas," he said. The George W. Bush and Obama administrations had targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation, Boyle concluded. From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 23 12:46:25 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 12:46:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] $1.7 trillion in social cuts coming our way. Message-ID: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » Trump calls for $1.7 trillion in social cuts 23 May 2017 The Trump administration will unveil a fiscal year 2018 budget today that includes $1.7 trillion in cuts to major social programs. The plan marks a new stage in a bipartisan social counterrevolution aimed at eviscerating what remains of programs to fight poverty and hunger and provide health care for millions of workers. The unveiling of the budget underscores the reactionary character of the Democrats’ response to a gangster government headed by a fascistic-minded billionaire and composed of Wall Street bankers, far-right ideologues and generals. The Democratic Party has chosen to base its opposition to Trump not on his assault on working and poor people, his attacks on democratic rights, or his reckless militarism, but on his supposed “softness” toward Russia. In the political warfare in Washington, the Democrats are aligned with those sections of the intelligence apparatus and the “deep state” that are determined to compel Trump to abandon any notion of easing relations, and instead continue the Obama administration’s policy of escalating confrontation with Russia. As the Democrats and the so-called “liberal” media pursue their anti-Russia campaign, the Trump administration continues to advance its brutal domestic agenda. Trump’s budget is the opening shot in a stage-managed tussle between the two big business parties over social cuts that will end with the most massive attack on core social programs in US history. The budget includes a cut of $800 billion over a decade in Medicaid, the health insurance program for low-income people jointly administered by the federal government and the states. More than 74 million Americans, or one in five, are currently enrolled in Medicaid, including pregnant women, children and seniors with disabilities. Like the American Health Care Act (AHCA) passed earlier this month by the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, Trump’s budget plan would put an end to Medicaid as a guaranteed benefit based on need, replacing it with per capita funding or block grants to the states. The AHCA would also end the expansion of Medicaid benefits under Obamacare and allow states to impose work requirements for beneficiaries. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that an earlier version of the Republican plan would result in 10 million people being stripped of Medicaid benefits. Trump’s budget would also cut $193 billion over a decade from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), commonly known as food stamps, a 25 percent reduction to be achieved in part by limiting eligibility and imposing work requirements. Welfare benefits, known as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, would be cut by $21 billion. Spending on the Earned Income Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit, which benefit mainly low- and middle-income families, would be reduced by $40 billion. The budget reportedly includes changes in funding for Social Security’s Supplemental Security Income program, which provides cash benefits to the poor and disabled. While gutting social programs, Trump proposes to sharply reduce taxes for the wealthy. In addition to slashing income tax rates for the rich, he is proposing to dramatically cut estate, capital gains and business tax rates. At the same time, he is demanding a huge increase in military spending. While Democrats will make rhetorical criticisms of the Trump budget, the fact is that the administration is escalating a decades-long assault on the working class overseen by both big business parties. The outcome can be seen in the reality of social life in America: Poverty More than 13 percent—some 43.1 million Americans—were living in poverty in 2015. Of these, 19.4 million were living in extreme poverty, which means their family’s cash income was less than half of the poverty line, or about $10,000 a year for a family of four. The poverty rate for children under 18 was 19.7 percent. These are the official poverty rates, based on absurdly low income baselines. In reality, at least half of the population is living in or on the edge of poverty. These are precisely the people targeted by Trump’s proposed cuts to Medicaid, welfare and food stamps. Hunger Almost one in eight US households, 15.8 million, were food insecure in 2015, meaning they had difficulty providing enough food for all their members. Five percent of households had very low food security, meaning the food intake of household members was cut. Three million households were unable to provide adequate, nutritious food for their children. Lack of health care In 2016 under Obamacare, 28.6 million people of all ages, or about 9 percent of the US population, remained uninsured. Many of those insured under plans purchased from private insurers on the Obamacare exchanges were unable to use their insurance because of prohibitively high deductibles and co-pays. Many who gained insurance under Obamacare did so as a result of the expansion of Medicaid. Trump plans to reverse this, throwing millions of people back into the ranks of the uninsured. A bipartisan assault In the wake of Trump’s budget proposal, the Democrats have responded with their standard empty rhetoric. Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer—one of Congress’ biggest recipients of Wall Street campaign money—decried Trump’s “hard-right policies that benefit the ultra-wealthy at the expense of the middle-class.” Just three weeks ago, Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi were hailing the passage of a bipartisan fiscal 2017 budget that cut food stamps by $2.4 billion, slashed funding for education and the environment, and added billions more for the military and border control. Obamacare paved the way for the present assault on Medicaid and the coming attacks on Medicare and Social Security by further subordinating health care to the profit demands of the insurance and pharmaceutical industries and imposing higher costs for reduced benefits on millions of workers. Nothing less than a mass movement of the working class will prevent the destruction of Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, food stamps, public education and every other social gain won by the working class. But this movement must be completely independent of the Democratic Party, the historic graveyard of social protest in America. That includes left-talking demagogues like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. It is not a matter of appealing to or seeking to pressure the Democrats or any other section of the political establishment. They are all in the pocket of Wall Street. The working class needs its own program to secure its basic social rights—a decent-paying job, education, health care, a secure retirement. These rights are not compatible with a capitalist system that is lurching inexorably toward world war and dictatorship. Workers and youth must intervene in this crisis with a socialist and revolutionary program geared to the needs of the vast majority, not the interests of an obscenely rich and corrupt financial oligarchy. Kate Randall WSWS.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 23 12:46:25 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 12:46:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] $1.7 trillion in social cuts coming our way. Message-ID: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » Trump calls for $1.7 trillion in social cuts 23 May 2017 The Trump administration will unveil a fiscal year 2018 budget today that includes $1.7 trillion in cuts to major social programs. The plan marks a new stage in a bipartisan social counterrevolution aimed at eviscerating what remains of programs to fight poverty and hunger and provide health care for millions of workers. The unveiling of the budget underscores the reactionary character of the Democrats’ response to a gangster government headed by a fascistic-minded billionaire and composed of Wall Street bankers, far-right ideologues and generals. The Democratic Party has chosen to base its opposition to Trump not on his assault on working and poor people, his attacks on democratic rights, or his reckless militarism, but on his supposed “softness” toward Russia. In the political warfare in Washington, the Democrats are aligned with those sections of the intelligence apparatus and the “deep state” that are determined to compel Trump to abandon any notion of easing relations, and instead continue the Obama administration’s policy of escalating confrontation with Russia. As the Democrats and the so-called “liberal” media pursue their anti-Russia campaign, the Trump administration continues to advance its brutal domestic agenda. Trump’s budget is the opening shot in a stage-managed tussle between the two big business parties over social cuts that will end with the most massive attack on core social programs in US history. The budget includes a cut of $800 billion over a decade in Medicaid, the health insurance program for low-income people jointly administered by the federal government and the states. More than 74 million Americans, or one in five, are currently enrolled in Medicaid, including pregnant women, children and seniors with disabilities. Like the American Health Care Act (AHCA) passed earlier this month by the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, Trump’s budget plan would put an end to Medicaid as a guaranteed benefit based on need, replacing it with per capita funding or block grants to the states. The AHCA would also end the expansion of Medicaid benefits under Obamacare and allow states to impose work requirements for beneficiaries. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that an earlier version of the Republican plan would result in 10 million people being stripped of Medicaid benefits. Trump’s budget would also cut $193 billion over a decade from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), commonly known as food stamps, a 25 percent reduction to be achieved in part by limiting eligibility and imposing work requirements. Welfare benefits, known as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, would be cut by $21 billion. Spending on the Earned Income Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit, which benefit mainly low- and middle-income families, would be reduced by $40 billion. The budget reportedly includes changes in funding for Social Security’s Supplemental Security Income program, which provides cash benefits to the poor and disabled. While gutting social programs, Trump proposes to sharply reduce taxes for the wealthy. In addition to slashing income tax rates for the rich, he is proposing to dramatically cut estate, capital gains and business tax rates. At the same time, he is demanding a huge increase in military spending. While Democrats will make rhetorical criticisms of the Trump budget, the fact is that the administration is escalating a decades-long assault on the working class overseen by both big business parties. The outcome can be seen in the reality of social life in America: Poverty More than 13 percent—some 43.1 million Americans—were living in poverty in 2015. Of these, 19.4 million were living in extreme poverty, which means their family’s cash income was less than half of the poverty line, or about $10,000 a year for a family of four. The poverty rate for children under 18 was 19.7 percent. These are the official poverty rates, based on absurdly low income baselines. In reality, at least half of the population is living in or on the edge of poverty. These are precisely the people targeted by Trump’s proposed cuts to Medicaid, welfare and food stamps. Hunger Almost one in eight US households, 15.8 million, were food insecure in 2015, meaning they had difficulty providing enough food for all their members. Five percent of households had very low food security, meaning the food intake of household members was cut. Three million households were unable to provide adequate, nutritious food for their children. Lack of health care In 2016 under Obamacare, 28.6 million people of all ages, or about 9 percent of the US population, remained uninsured. Many of those insured under plans purchased from private insurers on the Obamacare exchanges were unable to use their insurance because of prohibitively high deductibles and co-pays. Many who gained insurance under Obamacare did so as a result of the expansion of Medicaid. Trump plans to reverse this, throwing millions of people back into the ranks of the uninsured. A bipartisan assault In the wake of Trump’s budget proposal, the Democrats have responded with their standard empty rhetoric. Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer—one of Congress’ biggest recipients of Wall Street campaign money—decried Trump’s “hard-right policies that benefit the ultra-wealthy at the expense of the middle-class.” Just three weeks ago, Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi were hailing the passage of a bipartisan fiscal 2017 budget that cut food stamps by $2.4 billion, slashed funding for education and the environment, and added billions more for the military and border control. Obamacare paved the way for the present assault on Medicaid and the coming attacks on Medicare and Social Security by further subordinating health care to the profit demands of the insurance and pharmaceutical industries and imposing higher costs for reduced benefits on millions of workers. Nothing less than a mass movement of the working class will prevent the destruction of Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, food stamps, public education and every other social gain won by the working class. But this movement must be completely independent of the Democratic Party, the historic graveyard of social protest in America. That includes left-talking demagogues like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. It is not a matter of appealing to or seeking to pressure the Democrats or any other section of the political establishment. They are all in the pocket of Wall Street. The working class needs its own program to secure its basic social rights—a decent-paying job, education, health care, a secure retirement. These rights are not compatible with a capitalist system that is lurching inexorably toward world war and dictatorship. Workers and youth must intervene in this crisis with a socialist and revolutionary program geared to the needs of the vast majority, not the interests of an obscenely rich and corrupt financial oligarchy. Kate Randall WSWS.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidcnswanson at gmail.com Tue May 23 13:48:46 2017 From: davidcnswanson at gmail.com (David Swanson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 09:48:46 -0400 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Trump Returning US Mideast Policy to Traditional Total Support for Saudi Arabia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump . http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump/ * * *Francis Boyle* is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. Total run time: 29:00 Host: David Swanson. Producer: David Swanson. Music by Duke Ellington. Find this show on Youtube . Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive . Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport . Syndicated by Pacifica Network. *Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week!* *Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website!* *Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at http://TalkNationRadio.org * *and at https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks * -- *David Swanson *is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include *War Is A Lie *. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org . He hosts Talk Nation Radio . He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 23 14:31:01 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 14:31:01 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A must listen References: Message-ID: Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump. http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump/ [https://i2.wp.com/davidswanson.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/boylesm.jpg?resize=250%2C254] Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. Total run time: 29:00 Host: David Swanson. Producer: David Swanson. Music by Duke Ellington. Find this show on Youtube. Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive. Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport. Syndicated by Pacifica Network. Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at http://TalkNationRadio.org and at https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue May 23 14:36:30 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 09:36:30 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A must listen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Trump is not the problem: US war-making is. The ‘Impeach Trump’ movement (along with ‘Russiagate’) is an attempt by the US political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagoners-spooks) to coerce the Trump administration into keeping the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Russia-China-(and Iran) going. It seems to be working. —CGE > On May 23, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > >> >> Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump >> >> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump . >> >> http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump/ >> >> Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. >> >> Total run time: 29:00 >> Host: David Swanson. >> Producer: David Swanson. >> Music by Duke Ellington. >> >> Find this show on Youtube . >> >> Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive . >> >> Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport . >> >> Syndicated by Pacifica Network. >> >> Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! >> >> Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! >> >> Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at >> http://TalkNationRadio.org >> and at >> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks >> >> -- >> David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org . Swanson's books include War Is A Lie . He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org . He hosts Talk Nation Radio . He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. >> Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook . > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 23 14:40:21 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 14:40:21 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A must listen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As noted by Prof. Boyle in the discussion. On May 23, 2017, at 07:36, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Trump is not the problem: US war-making is. The ‘Impeach Trump’ movement (along with ‘Russiagate’) is an attempt by the US political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagoners-spooks) to coerce the Trump administration into keeping the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Russia-China-(and Iran) going. It seems to be working. —CGE On May 23, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump. http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump/ [https://i2.wp.com/davidswanson.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/boylesm.jpg?resize=250%2C254] Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. Total run time: 29:00 Host: David Swanson. Producer: David Swanson. Music by Duke Ellington. Find this show on Youtube. Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive. Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport. Syndicated by Pacifica Network. Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at http://TalkNationRadio.org and at https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue May 23 14:46:00 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 09:46:00 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A must listen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: But the discussion is billed “How to Impeach Trump” - the establishment talking point. So long as they can keep Americans talking about how to impeach Trump, the war party has nothing to worry about. > On May 23, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > As noted by Prof. Boyle in the discussion. > >> On May 23, 2017, at 07:36, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> Trump is not the problem: US war-making is. >> >> The ‘Impeach Trump’ movement (along with ‘Russiagate’) is an attempt by the US political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagoners-spooks) to coerce the Trump administration into keeping the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Russia-China-(and Iran) going. >> >> It seems to be working. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On May 23, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump >>>> >>>> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump . >>>> >>>> http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump/ >>>> >>>> Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. >>>> >>>> Total run time: 29:00 >>>> Host: David Swanson. >>>> Producer: David Swanson. >>>> Music by Duke Ellington. >>>> >>>> Find this show on Youtube . >>>> >>>> Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive . >>>> >>>> Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport . >>>> >>>> Syndicated by Pacifica Network. >>>> >>>> Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! >>>> >>>> Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! >>>> >>>> Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at >>>> http://TalkNationRadio.org >>>> and at >>>> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks >>>> >>>> -- >>>> David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org . Swanson's books include War Is A Lie . He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org . He hosts Talk Nation Radio . He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. >>>> Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook . >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue May 23 14:49:24 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 09:49:24 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] A must listen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: NYT: “John O. Brennan, the former C.I.A. director, said Tuesday that he became concerned last year that the Russian government was trying to influence members of the Trump campaign to act — wittingly or unwittingly — on Moscow’s behalf." > On May 23, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > > But the discussion is billed “How to Impeach Trump” - the establishment talking point. > > So long as they can keep Americans talking about how to impeach Trump, the war party has nothing to worry about. > > >> On May 23, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: >> >> As noted by Prof. Boyle in the discussion. >> >>> On May 23, 2017, at 07:36, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >>> >>> Trump is not the problem: US war-making is. >>> >>> The ‘Impeach Trump’ movement (along with ‘Russiagate’) is an attempt by the US political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagoners-spooks) to coerce the Trump administration into keeping the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Russia-China-(and Iran) going. >>> >>> It seems to be working. >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> >>>> On May 23, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump >>>>> >>>>> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump . >>>>> >>>>> http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump/ >>>>> >>>>> Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. >>>>> >>>>> Total run time: 29:00 >>>>> Host: David Swanson. >>>>> Producer: David Swanson. >>>>> Music by Duke Ellington. >>>>> >>>>> Find this show on Youtube . >>>>> >>>>> Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive . >>>>> >>>>> Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport . >>>>> >>>>> Syndicated by Pacifica Network. >>>>> >>>>> Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! >>>>> >>>>> Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! >>>>> >>>>> Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at >>>>> http://TalkNationRadio.org >>>>> and at >>>>> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org . Swanson's books include War Is A Lie . He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org . He hosts Talk Nation Radio . He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. >>>>> Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook . >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue May 23 14:48:38 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 14:48:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] A must listen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That was His Headline. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:46 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE ; peace Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen But the discussion is billed “How to Impeach Trump” - the establishment talking point. So long as they can keep Americans talking about how to impeach Trump, the war party has nothing to worry about. On May 23, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: As noted by Prof. Boyle in the discussion. On May 23, 2017, at 07:36, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Trump is not the problem: US war-making is. The ‘Impeach Trump’ movement (along with ‘Russiagate’) is an attempt by the US political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagoners-spooks) to coerce the Trump administration into keeping the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Russia-China-(and Iran) going. It seems to be working. —CGE On May 23, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump. http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump/ [https://i2.wp.com/davidswanson.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/boylesm.jpg?resize=250%2C254] Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. Total run time: 29:00 Host: David Swanson. Producer: David Swanson. Music by Duke Ellington. Find this show on Youtube. Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive. Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport. Syndicated by Pacifica Network. Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at http://TalkNationRadio.org and at https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 23 14:57:08 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 14:57:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] A must listen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Carl, I know you don’t like listening to podcasts, but you should do so before making a judgement based on a headline. As I noted on FB Prof. Boyle makes excellent points in respect to the law, that anyone, non lawyers can understand. You might find you’re on the same page in respect to the use of impeachment for purely political purposes. The use of impeachment can be a deterrent to war and save lives when used for the right reasons. My layman’s interpretation. As I said, this is a very worthwhile discussion. I On May 23, 2017, at 07:48, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: That was His Headline. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:46 AM To: Karen Aram > Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE >; peace > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen But the discussion is billed “How to Impeach Trump” - the establishment talking point. So long as they can keep Americans talking about how to impeach Trump, the war party has nothing to worry about. On May 23, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: As noted by Prof. Boyle in the discussion. On May 23, 2017, at 07:36, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Trump is not the problem: US war-making is. The ‘Impeach Trump’ movement (along with ‘Russiagate’) is an attempt by the US political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagoners-spooks) to coerce the Trump administration into keeping the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Russia-China-(and Iran) going. It seems to be working. —CGE On May 23, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump. http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump/ [https://i2.wp.com/davidswanson.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/boylesm.jpg?resize=250%2C254] Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. Total run time: 29:00 Host: David Swanson. Producer: David Swanson. Music by Duke Ellington. Find this show on Youtube. Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive. Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport. Syndicated by Pacifica Network. Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at http://TalkNationRadio.org and at https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director ofWorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio.He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue May 23 15:22:57 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 10:22:57 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] A must listen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15F30F79-E65E-4259-97FE-ACEFD9589510@illinois.edu> I have no judgement on what Francis said, because (as you note) I haven’t heard it. (How about a transcript?) I do think considerations on “How to Impeach Trump” are what the war party wants us to be talking about, instead of anti-war activities. —CGE > On May 23, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Carl, I know you don’t like listening to podcasts, but you should do so before making a judgement based on a headline. > > As I noted on FB Prof. Boyle makes excellent points in respect to the law, that anyone, non lawyers can understand. You might find you’re on the same page in respect to the use of impeachment for purely political purposes. > > The use of impeachment can be a deterrent to war and save lives when used for the right reasons. My layman’s interpretation. > > As I said, this is a very worthwhile discussion. I > >> On May 23, 2017, at 07:48, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> That was His Headline. Fab >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:46 AM >> To: Karen Aram >> Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE ; peace >> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen >> >> But the discussion is billed “How to Impeach Trump” - the establishment talking point. >> >> So long as they can keep Americans talking about how to impeach Trump, the war party has nothing to worry about. >> >> >> On May 23, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> As noted by Prof. Boyle in the discussion. >> >> On May 23, 2017, at 07:36, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> Trump is not the problem: US war-making is. >> The ‘Impeach Trump’ movement (along with ‘Russiagate’) is an attempt by the US political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagoners-spooks) to coerce the Trump administration into keeping the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Russia-China-(and Iran) going. >> It seems to be working. >> —CGE >> >> >> On May 23, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> >> >> Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump >> >> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump. >> http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump/ >> >> Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. >> Total run time: 29:00 >> Host: David Swanson. >> Producer: David Swanson. >> Music by Duke Ellington. >> Find this show on Youtube. >> Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive. >> Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport. >> Syndicated by Pacifica Network. >> Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! >> Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! >> Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at >> http://TalkNationRadio.org >> and at >> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks >> >> >> -- >> David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director ofWorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio.He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. >> Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue May 23 15:27:59 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:27:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] A must listen In-Reply-To: <15F30F79-E65E-4259-97FE-ACEFD9589510@illinois.edu> References: <15F30F79-E65E-4259-97FE-ACEFD9589510@illinois.edu> Message-ID: For the record, David Swanson is one of the top anti-warrior leaders of his generation. I have endorsed one of his books. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:23 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; Peace-discuss AWARE Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen I have no judgement on what Francis said, because (as you note) I haven’t heard it. (How about a transcript?) I do think considerations on “How to Impeach Trump” are what the war party wants us to be talking about, instead of anti-war activities. —CGE > On May 23, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Carl, I know you don’t like listening to podcasts, but you should do so before making a judgement based on a headline. > > As I noted on FB Prof. Boyle makes excellent points in respect to the law, that anyone, non lawyers can understand. You might find you’re on the same page in respect to the use of impeachment for purely political purposes. > > The use of impeachment can be a deterrent to war and save lives when used for the right reasons. My layman’s interpretation. > > As I said, this is a very worthwhile discussion. I > >> On May 23, 2017, at 07:48, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> That was His Headline. Fab >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of >> Carl G. Estabrook via Peace >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:46 AM >> To: Karen Aram >> Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE ; peace >> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen >> >> But the discussion is billed “How to Impeach Trump” - the establishment talking point. >> >> So long as they can keep Americans talking about how to impeach Trump, the war party has nothing to worry about. >> >> >> On May 23, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> As noted by Prof. Boyle in the discussion. >> >> On May 23, 2017, at 07:36, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> Trump is not the problem: US war-making is. >> The ‘Impeach Trump’ movement (along with ‘Russiagate’) is an attempt by the US political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagoners-spooks) to coerce the Trump administration into keeping the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Russia-China-(and Iran) going. >> It seems to be working. >> —CGE >> >> >> On May 23, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> >> >> Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump >> >> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump. >> http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-imp >> each-trump/ >> >> Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. >> Total run time: 29:00 >> Host: David Swanson. >> Producer: David Swanson. >> Music by Duke Ellington. >> Find this show on Youtube. >> Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive. >> Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport. >> Syndicated by Pacifica Network. >> Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! >> Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! >> Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at >> http://TalkNationRadio.org and at >> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks >> >> >> -- >> David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director ofWorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio.He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. >> Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue May 23 15:28:37 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:28:37 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] A must listen In-Reply-To: References: <15F30F79-E65E-4259-97FE-ACEFD9589510@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Sorry, that should be: David Swanson is one of the top anti-war leaders of his generation. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:28 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE Subject: RE: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen For the record, David Swanson is one of the top anti-warrior leaders of his generation. I have endorsed one of his books. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:23 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; Peace-discuss AWARE Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen I have no judgement on what Francis said, because (as you note) I haven’t heard it. (How about a transcript?) I do think considerations on “How to Impeach Trump” are what the war party wants us to be talking about, instead of anti-war activities. —CGE > On May 23, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Carl, I know you don’t like listening to podcasts, but you should do so before making a judgement based on a headline. > > As I noted on FB Prof. Boyle makes excellent points in respect to the law, that anyone, non lawyers can understand. You might find you’re on the same page in respect to the use of impeachment for purely political purposes. > > The use of impeachment can be a deterrent to war and save lives when used for the right reasons. My layman’s interpretation. > > As I said, this is a very worthwhile discussion. I > >> On May 23, 2017, at 07:48, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> That was His Headline. Fab >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of >> Carl G. Estabrook via Peace >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:46 AM >> To: Karen Aram >> Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE ; peace >> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen >> >> But the discussion is billed “How to Impeach Trump” - the establishment talking point. >> >> So long as they can keep Americans talking about how to impeach Trump, the war party has nothing to worry about. >> >> >> On May 23, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> As noted by Prof. Boyle in the discussion. >> >> On May 23, 2017, at 07:36, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> Trump is not the problem: US war-making is. >> The ‘Impeach Trump’ movement (along with ‘Russiagate’) is an attempt by the US political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagoners-spooks) to coerce the Trump administration into keeping the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Russia-China-(and Iran) going. >> It seems to be working. >> —CGE >> >> >> On May 23, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> >> >> Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump >> >> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump. >> http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-imp >> each-trump/ >> >> Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. >> Total run time: 29:00 >> Host: David Swanson. >> Producer: David Swanson. >> Music by Duke Ellington. >> Find this show on Youtube. >> Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive. >> Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport. >> Syndicated by Pacifica Network. >> Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! >> Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! >> Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at >> http://TalkNationRadio.org and at >> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks >> >> >> -- >> David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director ofWorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio.He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. >> Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue May 23 15:31:22 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:31:22 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] A must listen References: <15F30F79-E65E-4259-97FE-ACEFD9589510@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And David just returned from a Peace Mission to Russia. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:29 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE Subject: RE: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen Sorry, that should be: David Swanson is one of the top anti-war leaders of his generation. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:28 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE Subject: RE: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen For the record, David Swanson is one of the top anti-warrior leaders of his generation. I have endorsed one of his books. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:23 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; Peace-discuss AWARE Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen I have no judgement on what Francis said, because (as you note) I haven’t heard it. (How about a transcript?) I do think considerations on “How to Impeach Trump” are what the war party wants us to be talking about, instead of anti-war activities. —CGE > On May 23, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Carl, I know you don’t like listening to podcasts, but you should do so before making a judgement based on a headline. > > As I noted on FB Prof. Boyle makes excellent points in respect to the law, that anyone, non lawyers can understand. You might find you’re on the same page in respect to the use of impeachment for purely political purposes. > > The use of impeachment can be a deterrent to war and save lives when used for the right reasons. My layman’s interpretation. > > As I said, this is a very worthwhile discussion. I > >> On May 23, 2017, at 07:48, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> That was His Headline. Fab >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of >> Carl G. Estabrook via Peace >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:46 AM >> To: Karen Aram >> Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE ; peace >> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen >> >> But the discussion is billed “How to Impeach Trump” - the establishment talking point. >> >> So long as they can keep Americans talking about how to impeach Trump, the war party has nothing to worry about. >> >> >> On May 23, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> As noted by Prof. Boyle in the discussion. >> >> On May 23, 2017, at 07:36, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> Trump is not the problem: US war-making is. >> The ‘Impeach Trump’ movement (along with ‘Russiagate’) is an attempt by the US political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagoners-spooks) to coerce the Trump administration into keeping the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Russia-China-(and Iran) going. >> It seems to be working. >> —CGE >> >> >> On May 23, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> >> >> Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump >> >> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump. >> http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-imp >> each-trump/ >> >> Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. >> Total run time: 29:00 >> Host: David Swanson. >> Producer: David Swanson. >> Music by Duke Ellington. >> Find this show on Youtube. >> Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive. >> Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport. >> Syndicated by Pacifica Network. >> Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! >> Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! >> Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at >> http://TalkNationRadio.org and at >> https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks >> >> >> -- >> David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director ofWorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio.He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. >> Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 23 15:39:43 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:39:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] David Swanson on Crosstalk In-Reply-To: References: <15F30F79-E65E-4259-97FE-ACEFD9589510@illinois.edu> Message-ID: https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/388383-mass-hysteria-western-media/ On May 23, 2017, at 08:31, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: And David just returned from a Peace Mission to Russia. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:29 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE > Subject: RE: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen Sorry, that should be: David Swanson is one of the top anti-war leaders of his generation. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:28 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE > Subject: RE: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen For the record, David Swanson is one of the top anti-warrior leaders of his generation. I have endorsed one of his books. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:23 AM To: Karen Aram > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; Peace-discuss AWARE > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen I have no judgement on what Francis said, because (as you note) I haven’t heard it. (How about a transcript?) I do think considerations on “How to Impeach Trump” are what the war party wants us to be talking about, instead of anti-war activities. —CGE On May 23, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: Carl, I know you don’t like listening to podcasts, but you should do so before making a judgement based on a headline. As I noted on FB Prof. Boyle makes excellent points in respect to the law, that anyone, non lawyers can understand. You might find you’re on the same page in respect to the use of impeachment for purely political purposes. The use of impeachment can be a deterrent to war and save lives when used for the right reasons. My layman’s interpretation. As I said, this is a very worthwhile discussion. I On May 23, 2017, at 07:48, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: That was His Headline. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:46 AM To: Karen Aram > Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE >; peace > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen But the discussion is billed “How to Impeach Trump” - the establishment talking point. So long as they can keep Americans talking about how to impeach Trump, the war party has nothing to worry about. On May 23, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: As noted by Prof. Boyle in the discussion. On May 23, 2017, at 07:36, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Trump is not the problem: US war-making is. The ‘Impeach Trump’ movement (along with ‘Russiagate’) is an attempt by the US political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagoners-spooks) to coerce the Trump administration into keeping the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Russia-China-(and Iran) going. It seems to be working. —CGE On May 23, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump. http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-imp each-trump/ Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. Total run time: 29:00 Host: David Swanson. Producer: David Swanson. Music by Duke Ellington. Find this show on Youtube. Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive. Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport. Syndicated by Pacifica Network. Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at http://TalkNationRadio.org and at https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director ofWorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio.He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue May 23 15:43:18 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:43:18 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: A must listen References: Message-ID: Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump. http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump/ [https://i2.wp.com/davidswanson.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/boylesm.jpg?resize=250%2C254] Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. Total run time: 29:00 Host: David Swanson. Producer: David Swanson. Music by Duke Ellington. Find this show on Youtube. Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive. Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport. Syndicated by Pacifica Network. Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at http://TalkNationRadio.org and at https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue May 23 15:43:20 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:43:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] David Swanson on Crosstalk In-Reply-To: References: <15F30F79-E65E-4259-97FE-ACEFD9589510@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Yeah, David went over to Russia as part of a Peace Delegation in order to counter-act all the anti-Russian warmongering going on over here. He is one of the top anti-war leaders of his generation. That is why I gave him the interview—30 minutes of my time out of respect for him. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:40 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Estabrook, Carl G ; Peace-discuss AWARE Subject: Re:David Swanson on Crosstalk https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/388383-mass-hysteria-western-media/ On May 23, 2017, at 08:31, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: And David just returned from a Peace Mission to Russia. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:29 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE > Subject: RE: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen Sorry, that should be: David Swanson is one of the top anti-war leaders of his generation. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:28 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE > Subject: RE: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen For the record, David Swanson is one of the top anti-warrior leaders of his generation. I have endorsed one of his books. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:23 AM To: Karen Aram > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; Peace-discuss AWARE > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen I have no judgement on what Francis said, because (as you note) I haven’t heard it. (How about a transcript?) I do think considerations on “How to Impeach Trump” are what the war party wants us to be talking about, instead of anti-war activities. —CGE On May 23, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: Carl, I know you don’t like listening to podcasts, but you should do so before making a judgement based on a headline. As I noted on FB Prof. Boyle makes excellent points in respect to the law, that anyone, non lawyers can understand. You might find you’re on the same page in respect to the use of impeachment for purely political purposes. The use of impeachment can be a deterrent to war and save lives when used for the right reasons. My layman’s interpretation. As I said, this is a very worthwhile discussion. I On May 23, 2017, at 07:48, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: That was His Headline. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:46 AM To: Karen Aram > Cc: Peace-discuss AWARE >; peace > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] A must listen But the discussion is billed “How to Impeach Trump” - the establishment talking point. So long as they can keep Americans talking about how to impeach Trump, the war party has nothing to worry about. On May 23, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: As noted by Prof. Boyle in the discussion. On May 23, 2017, at 07:36, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Trump is not the problem: US war-making is. The ‘Impeach Trump’ movement (along with ‘Russiagate’) is an attempt by the US political establishment (Democrats-neocons-Pentagoners-spooks) to coerce the Trump administration into keeping the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Russia-China-(and Iran) going. It seems to be working. —CGE On May 23, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Talk Nation Radio: Francis Boyle on How to Impeach Trump https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-impeach-trump. http://davidswanson.org/talk-nation-radio-francis-boyle-on-how-to-imp each-trump/ Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. Total run time: 29:00 Host: David Swanson. Producer: David Swanson. Music by Duke Ellington. Find this show on Youtube. Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive. Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport. Syndicated by Pacifica Network. Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at http://TalkNationRadio.org and at https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director ofWorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio.He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. 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Professor Boyle has served as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He has represented the Blackfoot Nation, the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989. And he has been a strong advocate over the years for the proper use of the power of impeachment. Total run time: 29:00 Host: David Swanson. Producer: David Swanson. Music by Duke Ellington. Find this show on Youtube. Download from LetsTryDemocracy or Archive. Pacifica stations can also download from Audioport. Syndicated by Pacifica Network. Please encourage your local radio stations to carry this program every week! Please embed the SoundCloud audio on your own website! Past Talk Nation Radio shows are all available free and complete at http://TalkNationRadio.org and at https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/tracks -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's a beautiful quote from the preface regarding the fall of the Soviet Union: "A precious asset, communist ogre in the totalitarian snow, and in 1990 sorely missed. Absent the Cold War with the Russians, how then to defend, honor, and protect the cash flow of the nations military-industrial complex pumping air and iron into the conspicuous consumptions of the American Dream" What comes home to me is not so much the issue of Enemies in Politics, but the issue of why so many of us don't want to hear or talk about it. Content to relegate the issues of war and climate change to the pro & con debates on corporate media and hold on to whatever piece of that dream we still have. We are addicted to fossil fuels and don't want to hear about the death and destruction we cause. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwjenne at gmail.com Tue May 23 18:57:47 2017 From: cwjenne at gmail.com (Wayne Jenne) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 18:57:47 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Chilling Trump speech, listen to Media Benjamin and Trita Parsi analysis on DN.Org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 9:33 AM Karen Aram via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Democracy Now covers Trumps speech in Saudi, which is really chilling. > Listen to what Medea Benjamin and Trita Parsi have to say. > > See: WWW.DemocracyNow.Org > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > I thought about Media all through Trump's speech. It was great to talk to her when she came here just before the election. After the election I read Lewis Lapham's "Age of Folly" which covers the end of the Cold War to Trump the candidate. Here's a beautiful quote from the preface regarding the fall of the Soviet Union: "A precious asset, communist ogre in the totalitarian snow, and in 1990 sorely missed. Absent the Cold War with the Russians, how then to defend, honor, and protect the cash flow of the nations military-industrial complex pumping air and iron into the conspicuous consumptions of the American Dream" What comes home to me is not so much the issue of Enemies in Politics, but the issue of why so many of us don't want to hear or talk about it. Content to relegate the issues of war and climate change to the pro & con debates on corporate media and hold on to whatever piece of that dream we still have. We are addicted to fossil fuels and don't want to hear about the death and destruction we cause. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Tue May 23 19:22:59 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 19:22:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Hillary=E2=80=99s_Hand_Gesture?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_What_Does_It_Really_Mean=3F?= References: Message-ID: <7ED39889-1290-40AD-AADE-0EDBDA221767@illinois.edu> Ah, interesting to hear from those who think that this may not be completely paranoid & insane. Begin forwarded message: From: Newsmax.com > Subject: Hillary’s Hand Gesture: What Does It Really Mean? Date: May 23, 2017 at 9:08:31 AM CDT To: "r-szoke at illinois.edu" > Reply-To: > ‌ [Newsmax.com] Dear Newsmax Reader: Please take a moment to read the special message from our advertising sponsor, Health Sciences Institute. Our sponsors help us keep our news service free, though we do not necessarily endorse this message. Newsmax.com CAUGHT ON TAPE: Hillary Makes Anti-American Hand Gesture (Can you spot it HERE?) 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This email was sent by: Newsmax.com 1501 Northpoint Parkway, Suite 104 West Palm Beach, FL 33407 USA 1732378 9898-1 [http://news.newsmax.com/?K6CDYsfaaxzIFXu9ZaDq57.K6bbzNLv1K] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Tue May 23 21:17:51 2017 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 16:17:51 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] 7pm Tuesday at CPL: the Future of the Champaign County Nursing Home (CCHCC) In-Reply-To: <1664D4F5-1088-420B-A548-DA1E296BAD45@illinois.edu> References: <7c67cea8-b3a4-21f6-808b-d340e4a5863c@gmail.com> <1664D4F5-1088-420B-A548-DA1E296BAD45@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <85b5176d-e351-5ec5-b75a-1da19a57601d@gmail.com> I won't be able to attend this meeting tonight, though it's a very important local issue. Karen Medina won't either. Hope some on this list can go, and let us know if there are things that supporters of the nursing home should be doing ... One I expect they'll mention, for those of us in County Board districts (including mine!) that voted clearly No on allowing sale of the home and Yes on the property tax, will be to let our board members know that we still don't want them to go ahead with privatization. Any sale still requires a 2/3rds vote of the whole county board. On 5/23/17 2:35 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > Please post to this list what actions come out of this meeting. Thanks, CGE > > >> On May 23, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace wrote: >> >> From Champaign County Health Care Consumers: >> >> Community Meeting: >> The Champaign County >> Nursing Home >> >> Tuesday, May 23 at 7 p.m. >> >> >> Please save the date for a special event organized by Champaign County Health Care Consumers: The Future of the Champaign County Nursing Home – Community Meeting. The meeting will be held on Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 7 p.m. at the Champaign Public Library. >> >> Brief Background >> The Champaign County Nursing Home (CCNH) has been facing financial struggles for a number of different reasons. As a result, the Champaign County Board placed two referenda regarding the CCNH on the ballot this past April 4. One question asked about a property tax levy to help support the CCNH. A majority of voters voted against raising the property tax levy for the CCNH. The other question asked about “sale or disposal” of the CCNH. A majority of voters voted yes to this question. And now the Champaign County Board is struggling with the future of the CCNH. >> >> Community Meeting – The Future of the Champaign County Nursing Home >> Must the Champaign County Nursing Home be sold? Isn’t there something that can be done to save the Champaign County Nursing Home and keep it as a publicly owned and operated nursing home? Is anyone doing anything to try to save the CCNH? What is sospecial about the Champaign County Nursing Home? >> >> These are just a few of the questions that will be addressed at the upcoming community meeting. >> >> WHAT: Community Meeting on The Future of the Champaign County Nursing Home >> >> WHEN: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 7 p.m. >> >> WHERE: Champaign Public Library, Robeson Rooms A & B >> 200 W. Green Street, Champaign >> >> WHO: Champaign County Health Care Consumers >> >> Free Parking • Accessible • Refreshments will be provided. >> >> Champaign County Health Care Consumers (CCHCC) Position on the CCNH >> CCHCC believes that we, as a community, should work to save the Champaign County Nursing Home. Selling this important public health care asset to a for-profit corporation would be a tremendous loss to our community, and there are many reasons to fear a decline in quality of care. >> >> >> >> We hope to see you at this important community meeting! >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed May 24 12:21:41 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:21:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Mourning Manchester's Children Message-ID: So who mourns the thousands of Muslim Children of Color murdered by our drones? Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cge at shout.net Wed May 24 12:32:40 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:32:40 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Draft flyer for distribution by AWARE In-Reply-To: <732e53f32e95c5347b2620f67bb496b3@shout.net> References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <67ddb84dcd90b85ed6339a05eaf437a4@shout.net> <732e53f32e95c5347b2620f67bb496b3@shout.net> Message-ID: <2e08009753ad14de91ac93644cf71785@shout.net> President Trump: End war in the Mideast! Get U.S. troops, weapons, mercenaries, and ‘coalition partners’ (NATO) out of the Mideast. Stop supporting human rights violators - notably the allies, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Israel. No war with Iran, with whom the U.S. has a treaty. In the 1930s and 1940s, the countries most responsible for war in the world were Germany and Japan. Today the country most responsible for war is the one for which we are responsible, the United States. Since World War II ended in 1945, U.S. presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The U.S. is - as Martin Luther King said - “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” At this moment our government is making war and killing people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen. Thousands of U.S. troops are fighting in these wars, although most Americans are not aware of it. In addition, the 70,000-members of the U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ are active in three-quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping (‘rendition’), torture, and murder. As the rest of the world recognizes - but Americans don’t - they are nothing less than American death squads - out to get ‘bad guys’ as they say, who might be thought of as affecting ‘American interests’ - usually financial. We rightly deplore “radical Islamic terrorism,” in spite of the fact that the US government set it up 40 years ago to use against Russia, and cooperates with it in various places today. But we are by far the greatest terrorist regime in the world. Why is our government terrorizing the world to the point that international polls show the US is by far the most feared country in the world - not Russia, China, North Korea, or Iran? The answer is simple and horrible. The US is killing people to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. The U.S. doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia, and so control over them gives the U.S. a major advantage over China, Germany, and other countries - a chokehold which benefits only that American economic elite, the one percent. In 2003 the US illegally invaded Iraq - and killed perhaps a million people for that purpose - and now has thousands of troops and mercenaries throughout the Mideast. The U.S. government says that we’re fighting terrorism, but we are in fact creating terrorists - in response particularly to our drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. Anti-war groups in the United States and around the world call upon President Trump to ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); bring US troops (and weapons) home; and withdraw US ‘special forces’ who’ve been sent into 3/4 of the world’s countries; ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. {AWARE of Champaign Urbana Illinois} -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Supported by his gang of Dem law prof thugs Beating up on the N.Y.U. law students few With the courage, integrity, and principles to say Never again! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 7:22 AM To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; David Johnson Subject: Mourning Manchester's Children So who mourns the thousands of Muslim Children of Color murdered by our drones? Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 7:45 AM To: 'rpa discussion' Subject: RE: Mourning Manchester's Children Diss-Ode to Harold Killer Koh Harold Killer Koh Killing Babies where he go Muslim life is cheap you see Jewish life too for the Nazi Carl Schmitt Professor of Law At the Yale Law School Boot-licking Gene Rostow Of the infamous Rostow Brothers Who gave us Vietnam Genociding "gooks" too Obama's War Consigliere Gene and his "kids" for LBJ Some things never change for Dems And their Elite Law School Whores Today At Harvard Law School too Where Killers Obama and Koh First dropped their pooh Along with "Judge" Davey Barron too Obama's Droner-in-Chief Destined for a Cell in The Hague Right next to his student John Yoo A Chip off of Harold's Old Block Cold-blooded Killers and War Criminals too Killer Koh disteaching "human rights" at N.Y.U. Supported by his gang of Dem law prof thugs Beating up on the N.Y.U. law students few With the courage, integrity, and principles to say Never again! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 7:24 AM To: 'rpa discussion' > Subject: FW: Mourning Manchester's Children Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 7:24 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Mourning Manchester's Children So who mourns the thousands of Muslim Children of Color murdered by our drones? Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Roger Helbig [mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:20 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Mourning Manchester's Children Thousands and of course of color - most of them aren't of color, but it suits your lying campaign - and I sure hope a terrorist hits one of your meetings, then you would realize that you embolden our enemies! On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:21 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss > wrote: So who mourns the thousands of Muslim Children of Color murdered by our drones? Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Roger Helbig [mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:20 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Mourning Manchester's Children Thousands and of course of color - most of them aren't of color, but it suits your lying campaign - and I sure hope a terrorist hits one of your meetings, then you would realize that you embolden our enemies! On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:21 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss > wrote: So who mourns the thousands of Muslim Children of Color murdered by our drones? Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. 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Find the conspicuous consumption and single-minded business orientation of many of these Chinese students distasteful?NIP thinks that just shows that you are a racist nativist who secretly wants to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.Never mind how much you have written, said, and/or done about and against the ruthless, neo-Dickensian exploitation of the Chinese proletariat – the source of the wealth that makes it possible for upper-echelon Chinese families to send their only children to U.S. universities.Dare to note that the massive influx of women into the U.S. job market during and since the 1970s has helped the employer class suppress hourly wages and contributed to a crisis in working class family life?NIP says that shows what a male chauvinist you are.  You obviously believe that “a woman’s place is in the home.” You must be a sexist who wants to roll back the clock on women’s rightsNever mind your own longstanding support of gender equality within and beyond the workplace.Worried about recent data showing that white U.S. working class males are undergoing an historic decline in their life expectancy thanks to the collapse of the job market for working class men in the neoliberal era?That shows NIP that you are a white sexist who only cares about white men.Never mind your long opposition to sexism, racism, nativism, and other evils.Find it less than surprising that many working class and rural whites react poorly to the phrase “Black Lives Matter” given the fact that they have been told that their lives don’t matter by neoliberal capitalism over the last four-plus decades?That just shows that you are a racist who doesn’t understand the special oppression experienced by people of color.Never mind your long record of denouncing and opposing racism and your defense of the phrase “Black lives matter.” -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, David. —CGE > On May 24, 2017, at 10:26 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Concerned about the downward pressure that African and Mexican immigrants can have on wages and union bargaining power in your local labor market? > Well, NIP sneers, that just shows what a nativist, white-nationalist FOX News-watching racist you are. > Never mind local employers’ gleeful exploitation of immigrant labor as a low-wage and working class-dividing windfall – or your own efforts to fight for immigrant rights and the inclusion of immigrants in struggles for improved working and living conditions. > Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? Find the conspicuous consumption and single-minded business orientation of many of these Chinese students distasteful? > NIP thinks that just shows that you are a racist nativist who secretly wants to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. > Never mind how much you have written, said, and/or done about and against the ruthless, neo-Dickensian exploitation of the Chinese proletariat – the source of the wealth that makes it possible for upper-echelon Chinese families to send their only children to U.S. universities. > Dare to note that the massive influx of women into the U.S. job market during and since the 1970s has helped the employer class suppress hourly wages and contributed to a crisis in working class family life? > NIP says that shows what a male chauvinist you are. You obviously believe that “a woman’s place is in the home.” You must be a sexist who wants to roll back the clock on women’s rights > Never mind your own longstanding support of gender equality within and beyond the workplace. > Worried about recent data showing that white U.S. working class males are undergoing an historic decline in their life expectancy thanks to the collapse of the job market for working class men in the neoliberal era? > That shows NIP that you are a white sexist who only cares about white men. > Never mind your long opposition to sexism, racism, nativism, and other evils. > Find it less than surprising that many working class and rural whites react poorly to the phrase “Black Lives Matter” given the fact that they have been told that their lives don’t matter by neoliberal capitalism over the last four-plus decades? > That just shows that you are a racist who doesn’t understand the special oppression experienced by people of color. > Never mind your long record of denouncing and opposing racism and your defense of the phrase “Black lives matter.” > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed May 24 18:36:19 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 18:36:19 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A brief statement from Tariq Ali on Democracy Now Message-ID: https://www.democracynow.org/2017/5/24/tariq_ali_manchester_bombing_is_part -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[CODEPINK] [MarillynHewsonShare.jpg] Dear Karen, In 2015, Forbes named Marillyn Hewson, CEO of Lockheed Martin, the highest paid female CEO and “the 20th most powerful woman in the world”. Hewson fashions herself a role model for women, but her company is selling weapons to the Saudi regime, weapons that are killing and maiming women and children day after day. As CEO of a company whose annual report boasts of being “...proud to stand with our international partners to enhance their capabilities to protect the lives of citizens and build a brighter future…”, it seems like a good time to tell Marillyn Hewson that selling weapons to the repressive Saudi regime will not protect lives of Yemeni citizens nor build a brighter future. President Trump’s trip to Saudi Arabia resulted in a massive $110 billion arms deal, and a big chunk of that, $28 billion, will go to Lockheed Martin. Lockheed Martin brags that it plays a major role in “strengthening United States and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia ties to bolster global security.” The company is selling the Saudi military everything from integrated air and missile defense systems to combat ships to tactical aircraft and rotary wing technologies. All will be used to further the Saudi’s aggressive policies in the region and to repress its own people. Sign on to tell Marillyn Hewson to be a real role model for women and live up to her company’s motto about “engineering a better tomorrow” by refusing to sell weapons to the Saudi regime. Marillyn Hewson needs to put people over profit. She should not be facilitating the war in Yemen, where a child dies every 10 minutes from the consequences of war. And since we know that President Trump has become a global salesman for her company, she should give him a call. 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Thanks, David. —CGE > On May 24, 2017, at 10:26 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Concerned about the downward pressure that African and Mexican immigrants can have on wages and union bargaining power in your local labor market? > Well, NIP sneers, that just shows what a nativist, white-nationalist FOX News-watching racist you are. > Never mind local employers’ gleeful exploitation of immigrant labor as a low-wage and working class-dividing windfall – or your own efforts to fight for immigrant rights and the inclusion of immigrants in struggles for improved working and living conditions. > Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? Find the conspicuous consumption and single-minded business orientation of many of these Chinese students distasteful? > NIP thinks that just shows that you are a racist nativist who secretly wants to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. > Never mind how much you have written, said, and/or done about and against the ruthless, neo-Dickensian exploitation of the Chinese proletariat – the source of the wealth that makes it possible for upper-echelon Chinese families to send their only children to U.S. universities. > Dare to note that the massive influx of women into the U.S. job market during and since the 1970s has helped the employer class suppress hourly wages and contributed to a crisis in working class family life? > NIP says that shows what a male chauvinist you are. You obviously > believe that “a woman’s place is in the home.” You must be a sexist who wants to roll back the clock on women’s rights Never mind your own longstanding support of gender equality within and beyond the workplace. > Worried about recent data showing that white U.S. working class males are undergoing an historic decline in their life expectancy thanks to the collapse of the job market for working class men in the neoliberal era? > That shows NIP that you are a white sexist who only cares about white men. > Never mind your long opposition to sexism, racism, nativism, and other evils. > Find it less than surprising that many working class and rural whites react poorly to the phrase “Black Lives Matter” given the fact that they have been told that their lives don’t matter by neoliberal capitalism over the last four-plus decades? > That just shows that you are a racist who doesn’t understand the special oppression experienced by people of color. > Never mind your long record of denouncing and opposing racism and your defense of the phrase “Black lives matter.” > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 25 00:31:37 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 19:31:37 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) In-Reply-To: <00c101d2d4eb$7ccba690$7662f3b0$@comcast.net> References: <402450435.1656827.1495639614085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <402450435.1656827.1495639614085@mail.yahoo.com> <2102E55C-EC4B-43D1-9F7E-DA9065667B13@illinois.edu> <00c101d2d4eb$7ccba690$7662f3b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: NIP = neoliberal identity politics > On May 24, 2017, at 7:11 PM, David Johnson wrote: > > Who is " NIP " ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:43 AM > To: David Green > Cc: Peace-discuss List > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) > > An important selection from Paul Street’s latest on Counterpunch.org. Thanks, David. —CGE > > >> On May 24, 2017, at 10:26 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Concerned about the downward pressure that African and Mexican immigrants can have on wages and union bargaining power in your local labor market? >> Well, NIP sneers, that just shows what a nativist, white-nationalist FOX News-watching racist you are. >> Never mind local employers’ gleeful exploitation of immigrant labor as a low-wage and working class-dividing windfall – or your own efforts to fight for immigrant rights and the inclusion of immigrants in struggles for improved working and living conditions. >> Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? Find the conspicuous consumption and single-minded business orientation of many of these Chinese students distasteful? >> NIP thinks that just shows that you are a racist nativist who secretly wants to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. >> Never mind how much you have written, said, and/or done about and against the ruthless, neo-Dickensian exploitation of the Chinese proletariat – the source of the wealth that makes it possible for upper-echelon Chinese families to send their only children to U.S. universities. >> Dare to note that the massive influx of women into the U.S. job market during and since the 1970s has helped the employer class suppress hourly wages and contributed to a crisis in working class family life? >> NIP says that shows what a male chauvinist you are. You obviously >> believe that “a woman’s place is in the home.” You must be a sexist who wants to roll back the clock on women’s rights Never mind your own longstanding support of gender equality within and beyond the workplace. >> Worried about recent data showing that white U.S. working class males are undergoing an historic decline in their life expectancy thanks to the collapse of the job market for working class men in the neoliberal era? >> That shows NIP that you are a white sexist who only cares about white men. >> Never mind your long opposition to sexism, racism, nativism, and other evils. >> Find it less than surprising that many working class and rural whites react poorly to the phrase “Black Lives Matter” given the fact that they have been told that their lives don’t matter by neoliberal capitalism over the last four-plus decades? >> That just shows that you are a racist who doesn’t understand the special oppression experienced by people of color. >> Never mind your long record of denouncing and opposing racism and your defense of the phrase “Black lives matter.” >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > From brussel at illinois.edu Thu May 25 02:31:32 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 02:31:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) In-Reply-To: <00c101d2d4eb$7ccba690$7662f3b0$@comcast.net> References: <402450435.1656827.1495639614085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <402450435.1656827.1495639614085@mail.yahoo.com> <2102E55C-EC4B-43D1-9F7E-DA9065667B13@illinois.edu> <00c101d2d4eb$7ccba690$7662f3b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1333D51A-30A3-49C7-8657-A283842E8887@illinois.edu> Regarding Street’s comment: > Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? Is this true? One would think that the Chinese students provide in fact a buttress against still higher college costs to American students. They clearly bring in extra funds to the colleges they attend. —mkb > On May 24, 2017, at 7:11 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Who is " NIP " ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:43 AM > To: David Green > Cc: Peace-discuss List > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) > > An important selection from Paul Street’s latest on Counterpunch.org. Thanks, David. —CGE > > >> On May 24, 2017, at 10:26 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Concerned about the downward pressure that African and Mexican immigrants can have on wages and union bargaining power in your local labor market? >> Well, NIP sneers, that just shows what a nativist, white-nationalist FOX News-watching racist you are. >> Never mind local employers’ gleeful exploitation of immigrant labor as a low-wage and working class-dividing windfall – or your own efforts to fight for immigrant rights and the inclusion of immigrants in struggles for improved working and living conditions. >> Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? Find the conspicuous consumption and single-minded business orientation of many of these Chinese students distasteful? >> NIP thinks that just shows that you are a racist nativist who secretly wants to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. >> Never mind how much you have written, said, and/or done about and against the ruthless, neo-Dickensian exploitation of the Chinese proletariat – the source of the wealth that makes it possible for upper-echelon Chinese families to send their only children to U.S. universities. >> Dare to note that the massive influx of women into the U.S. job market during and since the 1970s has helped the employer class suppress hourly wages and contributed to a crisis in working class family life? >> NIP says that shows what a male chauvinist you are. You obviously >> believe that “a woman’s place is in the home.” You must be a sexist who wants to roll back the clock on women’s rights Never mind your own longstanding support of gender equality within and beyond the workplace. >> Worried about recent data showing that white U.S. working class males are undergoing an historic decline in their life expectancy thanks to the collapse of the job market for working class men in the neoliberal era? >> That shows NIP that you are a white sexist who only cares about white men. >> Never mind your long opposition to sexism, racism, nativism, and other evils. >> Find it less than surprising that many working class and rural whites react poorly to the phrase “Black Lives Matter” given the fact that they have been told that their lives don’t matter by neoliberal capitalism over the last four-plus decades? >> That just shows that you are a racist who doesn’t understand the special oppression experienced by people of color. >> Never mind your long record of denouncing and opposing racism and your defense of the phrase “Black lives matter.” >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From galliher at illinois.edu Thu May 25 02:55:44 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 21:55:44 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) In-Reply-To: <1333D51A-30A3-49C7-8657-A283842E8887@illinois.edu> References: <402450435.1656827.1495639614085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <402450435.1656827.1495639614085@mail.yahoo.com> <2102E55C-EC4B-43D1-9F7E-DA9065667B13@illinois.edu> <00c101d2d4eb$7ccba690$7662f3b0$@comcast.net> <1333D51A-30A3-49C7-8657-A283842E8887@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Free tuition, the rule elsewhere, would make the matter irrelevant. > On May 24, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > > Regarding Street’s comment: > >> Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? > > Is this true? One would think that the Chinese students provide in fact a buttress against still higher college costs to American students. They clearly bring in extra funds to the colleges they attend. > > —mkb > > >> On May 24, 2017, at 7:11 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Who is " NIP " ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:43 AM >> To: David Green >> Cc: Peace-discuss List >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) >> >> An important selection from Paul Street’s latest on Counterpunch.org. Thanks, David. —CGE >> >> >>> On May 24, 2017, at 10:26 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Concerned about the downward pressure that African and Mexican immigrants can have on wages and union bargaining power in your local labor market? >>> Well, NIP sneers, that just shows what a nativist, white-nationalist FOX News-watching racist you are. >>> Never mind local employers’ gleeful exploitation of immigrant labor as a low-wage and working class-dividing windfall – or your own efforts to fight for immigrant rights and the inclusion of immigrants in struggles for improved working and living conditions. >>> Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? Find the conspicuous consumption and single-minded business orientation of many of these Chinese students distasteful? >>> NIP thinks that just shows that you are a racist nativist who secretly wants to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. >>> Never mind how much you have written, said, and/or done about and against the ruthless, neo-Dickensian exploitation of the Chinese proletariat – the source of the wealth that makes it possible for upper-echelon Chinese families to send their only children to U.S. universities. >>> Dare to note that the massive influx of women into the U.S. job market during and since the 1970s has helped the employer class suppress hourly wages and contributed to a crisis in working class family life? >>> NIP says that shows what a male chauvinist you are. You obviously >>> believe that “a woman’s place is in the home.” You must be a sexist who wants to roll back the clock on women’s rights Never mind your own longstanding support of gender equality within and beyond the workplace. >>> Worried about recent data showing that white U.S. working class males are undergoing an historic decline in their life expectancy thanks to the collapse of the job market for working class men in the neoliberal era? >>> That shows NIP that you are a white sexist who only cares about white men. >>> Never mind your long opposition to sexism, racism, nativism, and other evils. >>> Find it less than surprising that many working class and rural whites react poorly to the phrase “Black Lives Matter” given the fact that they have been told that their lives don’t matter by neoliberal capitalism over the last four-plus decades? >>> That just shows that you are a racist who doesn’t understand the special oppression experienced by people of color. >>> Never mind your long record of denouncing and opposing racism and your defense of the phrase “Black lives matter.” >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 25 11:51:17 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 11:51:17 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sen. Rand Paul to force a vote on a $110 billion defense deal President Trump signed with Saudi Message-ID: © Greg Nash A message from Kathy Kelly, longtime peace activist. CALL YOUR SENATORS NOW: Sen. Dick Durbin (202) 224-2152 Sen. Tammy Duckworth (202) 224-2854 Sen. Rand Paul intends to force a vote on a $110 billion defense deal President Trump signed with Saudi Arabia, according to an aide to the Kentucky Republican. Paul is expected to introduce a measure to disapprove of the sale later on Wednesday, the aide said, over concerns that the deal may pull the U.S. into Yemen's civil war. The move will allow Paul to force a vote in early June. Under the Arms Export Control Act, he can bring the measure up on the Senate floor after 10 calendar days, but the Senate is leaving town on Friday for a week-long Memorial Day break. The Senate in September overwhelmingly rejected a similar move from Paul to halt a $1.15 billion arms sale between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. Paul argued that that deal, which the Obama administration approved last August, would interject the U.S. in Yemen’s civil war. Saudi Arabia is leading a coalition supporting the former Yemeni government. Trump last Saturday signed a deal with Saudi Arabia aimed at addressing the kingdom’s defenses amid threats from terrorist groups and Iran. The package is expected to include U.S. missiles, bombs, armored personnel carriers, Littoral Combat Ships, terminal high altitude area defense missile systems and munitions. “That was a tremendous day,” Trump said of the deal, according to a pool report. “Hundreds of billions of dollars of investments into the United States and jobs, jobs, jobs.” Trump was visiting Saudi Arabia as part of his first foreign trip as president, which includes stops in Israel and the Vatican. --Jordain Carney contributed to this report, which was updated at 2:57 p.m. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Under the Arms Export Control Act, he can bring the measure up on the Senate floor after 10 calendar days, but the Senate is leaving town on Friday for a week-long Memorial Day break. The Senate in September overwhelmingly rejected a similar move from Paul to halt a $1.15 billion arms sale between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. Paul argued that that deal, which the Obama administration approved last August, would interject the U.S. in Yemen’s civil war. Saudi Arabia is leading a coalition supporting the former Yemeni government. Trump last Saturday signed a deal with Saudi Arabia aimed at addressing the kingdom’s defenses amid threats from terrorist groups and Iran. The package is expected to include U.S. missiles, bombs, armored personnel carriers, Littoral Combat Ships, terminal high altitude area defense missile systems and munitions. “That was a tremendous day,” Trump said of the deal, according to a pool report. “Hundreds of billions of dollars of investments into the United States and jobs, jobs, jobs.” Trump was visiting Saudi Arabia as part of his first foreign trip as president, which includes stops in Israel and the Vatican. --Jordain Carney contributed to this report, which was updated at 2:57 p.m. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: Free tuition, the rule elsewhere, would make the matter irrelevant. > On May 24, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > > Regarding Street’s comment: > >> Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? > > Is this true? One would think that the Chinese students provide in fact a buttress against still higher college costs to American students. They clearly bring in extra funds to the colleges they attend. > > —mkb > > >> On May 24, 2017, at 7:11 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Who is " NIP " ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:43 AM >> To: David Green >> Cc: Peace-discuss List >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) >> >> An important selection from Paul Street’s latest on Counterpunch.org. Thanks, David.  —CGE >> >> >>> On May 24, 2017, at 10:26 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Concerned about the downward pressure that African and Mexican immigrants can have on wages and union bargaining power in your local labor market? >>> Well, NIP sneers, that just shows what a nativist, white-nationalist FOX News-watching racist you are. >>> Never mind local employers’ gleeful exploitation of immigrant labor as a low-wage and working class-dividing windfall – or your own efforts to fight for immigrant rights and the inclusion of immigrants in struggles for improved working and living conditions. >>> Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? Find the conspicuous consumption and single-minded business orientation of many of these Chinese students distasteful? >>> NIP thinks that just shows that you are a racist nativist who secretly wants to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. >>> Never mind how much you have written, said, and/or done about and against the ruthless, neo-Dickensian exploitation of the Chinese proletariat – the source of the wealth that makes it possible for upper-echelon Chinese families to send their only children to U.S. universities. >>> Dare to note that the massive influx of women into the U.S. job market during and since the 1970s has helped the employer class suppress hourly wages and contributed to a crisis in working class family life? >>> NIP says that shows what a male chauvinist you are.  You obviously >>> believe that “a woman’s place is in the home.” You must be a sexist who wants to roll back the clock on women’s rights Never mind your own longstanding support of gender equality within and beyond the workplace. >>> Worried about recent data showing that white U.S. working class males are undergoing an historic decline in their life expectancy thanks to the collapse of the job market for working class men in the neoliberal era? >>> That shows NIP that you are a white sexist who only cares about white men. >>> Never mind your long opposition to sexism, racism, nativism, and other evils. >>> Find it less than surprising that many working class and rural whites react poorly to the phrase “Black Lives Matter” given the fact that they have been told that their lives don’t matter by neoliberal capitalism over the last four-plus decades? >>> That just shows that you are a racist who doesn’t understand the special oppression experienced by people of color. >>> Never mind your long record of denouncing and opposing racism and your defense of the phrase “Black lives matter.” >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu May 25 17:05:01 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 17:05:01 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) In-Reply-To: <880007110.2836255.1495731286771@mail.yahoo.com> References: <402450435.1656827.1495639614085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <402450435.1656827.1495639614085@mail.yahoo.com> <2102E55C-EC4B-43D1-9F7E-DA9065667B13@illinois.edu> <00c101d2d4eb$7ccba690$7662f3b0$@comcast.net> <1333D51A-30A3-49C7-8657-A283842E8887@illinois.edu> <880007110.2836255.1495731286771@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Most important issue, is that we don’t blame the victims, that is immigrants, students, working class women, people of color, poor white males, etc.. We need to focus on the actions of those in power and their design to keep everyone distracted, segregated, and fighting among ourselves, over the injustice and inequities that exist within our system. On May 25, 2017, at 09:54, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: You may be right about this, Mort; but Street perhaps implies that without pricey foreign and out-of-state tuitions, in-state tuition would look like less of a "bargain." The same might be said when comparing tuitions at public and private schools. DG On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:56 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: Free tuition, the rule elsewhere, would make the matter irrelevant. > On May 24, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: > > Regarding Street’s comment: > >> Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? > > Is this true? One would think that the Chinese students provide in fact a buttress against still higher college costs to American students. They clearly bring in extra funds to the colleges they attend. > > —mkb > > >> On May 24, 2017, at 7:11 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> Who is " NIP " ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:43 AM >> To: David Green >> Cc: Peace-discuss List >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) >> >> An important selection from Paul Street’s latest on Counterpunch.org. Thanks, David. —CGE >> >> >>> On May 24, 2017, at 10:26 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> Concerned about the downward pressure that African and Mexican immigrants can have on wages and union bargaining power in your local labor market? >>> Well, NIP sneers, that just shows what a nativist, white-nationalist FOX News-watching racist you are. >>> Never mind local employers’ gleeful exploitation of immigrant labor as a low-wage and working class-dividing windfall – or your own efforts to fight for immigrant rights and the inclusion of immigrants in struggles for improved working and living conditions. >>> Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? Find the conspicuous consumption and single-minded business orientation of many of these Chinese students distasteful? >>> NIP thinks that just shows that you are a racist nativist who secretly wants to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. >>> Never mind how much you have written, said, and/or done about and against the ruthless, neo-Dickensian exploitation of the Chinese proletariat – the source of the wealth that makes it possible for upper-echelon Chinese families to send their only children to U.S. universities. >>> Dare to note that the massive influx of women into the U.S. job market during and since the 1970s has helped the employer class suppress hourly wages and contributed to a crisis in working class family life? >>> NIP says that shows what a male chauvinist you are. You obviously >>> believe that “a woman’s place is in the home.” You must be a sexist who wants to roll back the clock on women’s rights Never mind your own longstanding support of gender equality within and beyond the workplace. >>> Worried about recent data showing that white U.S. working class males are undergoing an historic decline in their life expectancy thanks to the collapse of the job market for working class men in the neoliberal era? >>> That shows NIP that you are a white sexist who only cares about white men. >>> Never mind your long opposition to sexism, racism, nativism, and other evils. >>> Find it less than surprising that many working class and rural whites react poorly to the phrase “Black Lives Matter” given the fact that they have been told that their lives don’t matter by neoliberal capitalism over the last four-plus decades? >>> That just shows that you are a racist who doesn’t understand the special oppression experienced by people of color. >>> Never mind your long record of denouncing and opposing racism and your defense of the phrase “Black lives matter.” >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Fri May 26 02:14:52 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 02:14:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) In-Reply-To: <880007110.2836255.1495731286771@mail.yahoo.com> References: <402450435.1656827.1495639614085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <402450435.1656827.1495639614085@mail.yahoo.com> <2102E55C-EC4B-43D1-9F7E-DA9065667B13@illinois.edu> <00c101d2d4eb$7ccba690$7662f3b0$@comcast.net> <1333D51A-30A3-49C7-8657-A283842E8887@illinois.edu> <880007110.2836255.1495731286771@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I like what Paul Street usually says (we (AWARE) invited him to Urbana a couple of times, way back), but he sometimes goes off the rails, as when he ceased inviting comments on his submissions (to Counterpunch and elsewhere) after I chastised him about his praise of Gilbert Ashcar, defender of the Libya attack by NATO. Incidentally, I can't buy that far-fetched defense, David. Mort On May 25, 2017, at 11:54 AM, David Green > wrote: You may be right about this, Mort; but Street perhaps implies that without pricey foreign and out-of-state tuitions, in-state tuition would look like less of a "bargain." The same might be said when comparing tuitions at public and private schools. DG On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:56 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: Free tuition, the rule elsewhere, would make the matter irrelevant. > On May 24, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: > > Regarding Street’s comment: > >> Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? > > Is this true? One would think that the Chinese students provide in fact a buttress against still higher college costs to American students. They clearly bring in extra funds to the colleges they attend. > > —mkb > > >> On May 24, 2017, at 7:11 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> Who is " NIP " ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:43 AM >> To: David Green >> Cc: Peace-discuss List >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) >> >> An important selection from Paul Street’s latest on Counterpunch.org. Thanks, David. —CGE >> >> >>> On May 24, 2017, at 10:26 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> Concerned about the downward pressure that African and Mexican immigrants can have on wages and union bargaining power in your local labor market? >>> Well, NIP sneers, that just shows what a nativist, white-nationalist FOX News-watching racist you are. >>> Never mind local employers’ gleeful exploitation of immigrant labor as a low-wage and working class-dividing windfall – or your own efforts to fight for immigrant rights and the inclusion of immigrants in struggles for improved working and living conditions. >>> Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? Find the conspicuous consumption and single-minded business orientation of many of these Chinese students distasteful? >>> NIP thinks that just shows that you are a racist nativist who secretly wants to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. >>> Never mind how much you have written, said, and/or done about and against the ruthless, neo-Dickensian exploitation of the Chinese proletariat – the source of the wealth that makes it possible for upper-echelon Chinese families to send their only children to U.S. universities. >>> Dare to note that the massive influx of women into the U.S. job market during and since the 1970s has helped the employer class suppress hourly wages and contributed to a crisis in working class family life? >>> NIP says that shows what a male chauvinist you are. You obviously >>> believe that “a woman’s place is in the home.” You must be a sexist who wants to roll back the clock on women’s rights Never mind your own longstanding support of gender equality within and beyond the workplace. >>> Worried about recent data showing that white U.S. working class males are undergoing an historic decline in their life expectancy thanks to the collapse of the job market for working class men in the neoliberal era? >>> That shows NIP that you are a white sexist who only cares about white men. >>> Never mind your long opposition to sexism, racism, nativism, and other evils. >>> Find it less than surprising that many working class and rural whites react poorly to the phrase “Black Lives Matter” given the fact that they have been told that their lives don’t matter by neoliberal capitalism over the last four-plus decades? >>> That just shows that you are a racist who doesn’t understand the special oppression experienced by people of color. >>> Never mind your long record of denouncing and opposing racism and your defense of the phrase “Black lives matter.” >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Fri May 26 02:29:07 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 02:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) In-Reply-To: References: <402450435.1656827.1495639614085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <402450435.1656827.1495639614085@mail.yahoo.com> <2102E55C-EC4B-43D1-9F7E-DA9065667B13@illinois.edu> <00c101d2d4eb$7ccba690$7662f3b0$@comcast.net> <1333D51A-30A3-49C7-8657-A283842E8887@illinois.edu> <880007110.2836255.1495731286771@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3243880.255108.1495765747893@mail.yahoo.com> Oh well, it was worth a try. Paul does get a little careless sometimes. On Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:15 PM, "Brussel, Morton K" wrote: I like what Paul Street usually says (we (AWARE) invited him to Urbana a couple of times, way back), but he sometimes goes off the rails, as when he ceased inviting comments on his submissions (to Counterpunch and elsewhere) after I chastised him about his praise of Gilbert Ashcar, defender of the Libya attack by NATO.  Incidentally, I can't buy that  far-fetched defense, David. Mort On May 25, 2017, at 11:54 AM, David Green wrote: You may be right about this, Mort; but Street perhaps implies that without pricey foreign and out-of-state tuitions, in-state tuition would look like less of a "bargain." The same might be said when comparing tuitions at public and private schools. DG On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:56 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: Free tuition, the rule elsewhere, would make the matter irrelevant. > On May 24, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > > Regarding Street’s comment: > >> Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? > > Is this true? One would think that the Chinese students provide in fact a buttress against still higher college costs to American students. They clearly bring in extra funds to the colleges they attend. > > —mkb > > >> On May 24, 2017, at 7:11 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Who is " NIP " ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:43 AM >> To: David Green >> Cc: Peace-discuss List >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Neoliberal Identity Politics (excerpt) >> >> An important selection from Paul Street’s latest on Counterpunch.org. Thanks, David.  —CGE >> >> >>> On May 24, 2017, at 10:26 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Concerned about the downward pressure that African and Mexican immigrants can have on wages and union bargaining power in your local labor market? >>> Well, NIP sneers, that just shows what a nativist, white-nationalist FOX News-watching racist you are. >>> Never mind local employers’ gleeful exploitation of immigrant labor as a low-wage and working class-dividing windfall – or your own efforts to fight for immigrant rights and the inclusion of immigrants in struggles for improved working and living conditions. >>> Worried about how the influx of rich students from China is helping inflate college and university tuition costs, helping price working-class U.S. kids out of higher education in the U.S.? Find the conspicuous consumption and single-minded business orientation of many of these Chinese students distasteful? >>> NIP thinks that just shows that you are a racist nativist who secretly wants to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. >>> Never mind how much you have written, said, and/or done about and against the ruthless, neo-Dickensian exploitation of the Chinese proletariat – the source of the wealth that makes it possible for upper-echelon Chinese families to send their only children to U.S. universities. >>> Dare to note that the massive influx of women into the U.S. job market during and since the 1970s has helped the employer class suppress hourly wages and contributed to a crisis in working class family life? >>> NIP says that shows what a male chauvinist you are.  You obviously >>> believe that “a woman’s place is in the home.” You must be a sexist who wants to roll back the clock on women’s rights Never mind your own longstanding support of gender equality within and beyond the workplace. >>> Worried about recent data showing that white U.S. working class males are undergoing an historic decline in their life expectancy thanks to the collapse of the job market for working class men in the neoliberal era? >>> That shows NIP that you are a white sexist who only cares about white men. >>> Never mind your long opposition to sexism, racism, nativism, and other evils. >>> Find it less than surprising that many working class and rural whites react poorly to the phrase “Black Lives Matter” given the fact that they have been told that their lives don’t matter by neoliberal capitalism over the last four-plus decades? >>> That just shows that you are a racist who doesn’t understand the special oppression experienced by people of color. >>> Never mind your long record of denouncing and opposing racism and your defense of the phrase “Black lives matter.” >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 20:02:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune In-Reply-To: <67ddb84dcd90b85ed6339a05eaf437a4@shout.net> References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <67ddb84dcd90b85ed6339a05eaf437a4@shout.net> Message-ID: <03888a7961195446e7dd985988e8dfe9@shout.net> News from Neptune - recorded Friday 26 May at Urbana Public Television: a 'L'ordre règne" edition, for NATO: . Carl Estabrook and David Green discuss the news of the week and its coverage by the media. From moboct1 at aim.com Sat May 27 12:11:09 2017 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 08:11:09 -0400 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] NYT: Few in St. Louis Knew Confederate Memorial Existed. Now, Many Want It Gone. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15c49d141bf-2621-17ee1@webprd-a68.mail.aol.com> DON'T TEAR IT DOWN--INSTEAD, RE-DEDICATE TO VICTIMS OF U.S. WARS!Midge O'Brien-----Original Message-----From: Robert Naiman via Peace To: peace Sent: Sat, May 27, 2017 7:02 amSubject: [Peace] NYT: Few in St. Louis Knew Confederate Memorial Existed. Now, Many Want It Gone. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/st-louis-confederate-monuments-south.htmlFew in St. Louis Knew Confederate Memorial Existed. Now, Many Want It Gone.By JULIE BOSMANMAY 26, 2017ST. LOUIS — The angry, divisive fight over public symbols of the Confederacy has swept through Columbia, S.C., Birmingham, Ala., and New Orleans. This week, the debate made its way some 600 miles north, up the Mississippi River, to St. Louis, the home of a Confederate memorial many residents did not know was in their midst.Here in a graceful public park stands this city’s own grand monument to the Confederacy, a 32-foot-tall granite column adorned with an angel and bronze sculpture of a stoic group of figures. It rises in a thicket of trees, next to a trail teeming with runners, bicyclists and wanderers.Many residents said that until very recently, they had no idea that the 103-year-old memorial honored Confederate soldiers.“Not till they started making all that hoopla over it,” said Larry Randall, 54, who was setting off on a bike ride one afternoon this week in front of the memorial. “I’ve been coming out here for years. I never paid it no mind.”Mr. Randall, who is African-American, said he understood why some people are now calling for it to be removed. “If it’s causing problems, then they should get rid of it. Or maybe just polish the words off,” he said. “I could give a hoot.”This monument has emerged from obscurity in the last few weeks, as four prominent memorials to the Confederacy and its aftermath in New Orleans were pulled down amid protests. The debate has rippled across the South. On Wednesday, Gov. Kay Ivey of Alabama signed a measure that blocked the “relocation, removal, alteration, renaming or other disturbance” of “architecturally significant” monuments that have been on public property for at least 40 years. In Hampton, Ga., a museum said on its Facebook page that it would close next week after a county official asked that it remove all Confederate flags from its building.Here, a vocal group of activists has turned its attention to this city’s Confederate Memorial, arguing that it, too, should be carted away, out of its prominent place in Forest Park, one of the most beloved public spaces in St. Louis.The antimonument activists have a powerful lineup of city officials on their side, including Lyda Krewson, the newly elected mayor of St. Louis, who said that she favored removing the Confederate Memorial from the park permanently.“My own opinion is that it is hurtful,” Ms. Krewson, who is white, said in an interview on Thursday. “It reveres something that, you know, we’re not proud of.”Tishaura O. Jones, the city treasurer, started a GoFundMe page to raise money for the monument’s removal. In about a week, she has gathered more than $11,000.She passes the memorial during her weekly drive to the grocery store, usually with her 9-year-old son in tow. “What I’m trying to do is set the record straight,” she said. “The Confederates, in my opinion, were traitors. And in this country, we honor patriots.”Other St. Louisans are resisting the move, arguing that removing it would be tantamount to blotting out the history of the Civil War. Some have said that the enormous monument is too heavy and expensive to move, particularly when it doesn’t have an obvious new home. Still others say that the monument has rarely attracted attention for more than a century — why should St. Louis be caught up in a debate that, in their view, belongs to the Deep South?“My first choice would be that everyone forget it was there, like before,” said George Stair, 77, who paused at the monument on an evening walk with his wife, Jane Yu, who agreed that it should stay.Mr. Stair gazed at the sculpture. “I feel like it’s O.K. to honor ordinary soldiers,” he said. “People went to Vietnam even though they didn’t agree with it.”Missouri, once a slave state, was torn between North and South during the Civil War, a border state where families and neighbors sympathized with warring sides and were often pitted against one another.“It was a divided state, which explains why we have so many of these problems here today,” said Mark L. Trout, the executive director of the Missouri Civil War Museum outside St. Louis. (Mr. Trout said his museum would be happy to accept the memorial as a gift, though he did not have a place for it to be displayed at the moment.)Divisions over the Confederate Memorial turned especially sharp this week, when demonstrators calling for its removal gathered in the park on Tuesday evening. They were joined by a handful of counter-protesters, men who told reporters that they were from outside St. Louis and who carried a Confederate flag.One opponent of the statue, Amy Maxwell, said that people from both groups were carrying handguns, and at one point someone snatched the Confederate flag and ran off, instigating a chase from the pro-monument group.Sometime during the night, the monument was spray-painted in blue with the phrases “This is treason” and “Black lives matter.” Workers were seen on Wednesday morning removing the words.Out for a run on Wednesday, Ms. Maxwell, a 22-year-old student at Saint Louis University, paused in front of the memorial, stepped around the metal barriers and spat on it.Ms. Maxwell, who is white, said she planned to demonstrate every week until it is removed. “It would be nice to have some black abolitionists memorialized in this city.”Dorothy Bohnenkamp, 51, a psychotherapist who was born and raised in St. Louis, was taking her usual run in the park on Wednesday, directly past the memorial.She said she had rarely given the monument a thought until recently, when it appeared in the news, and was not cheering for its removal.“Personally, I don’t see where it represents anything specifically related to racism,” Ms. Bohnenkamp, who is black, said. “So they take it down. What does that represent? It’s still the same history.”Ms. Krewson, the mayor, said she would like to act quickly, drawing up a plan for removal within the next three weeks. She has seen cost estimates of close to $130,000, and envisions using a mix of public and private money for the project.For now, the memorial has become an object of curiosity in the park. Passers-by stopped to inspect the monument, snapped cellphone pictures and traced their fingers over the worn and stained surface.Ayana Parker, 12, was exercising with her mother, Shalonda Bolden, in the park when they paused to read the lettering on the memorial.“It’s nice that it’s honoring soldiers,” Ayana said. Her mother gently explained that the memorial was honoring Confederate soldiers in particular.“It’s for the people who wanted to keep slavery?” Ayana said, her eyes returning to the monument. She grew quiet. “Oh.”Ms. Bolden said she didn’t believe the memorial should be destroyed. “They should put it in a museum so people can get an explanation of what it is,” she said. “It just shouldn’t be here.”===Robert NaimanPolicy DirectorJust Foreign Policywww.justforeignpolicy.orgnaiman at justforeignpolicy.org(202) 448-2898 x1 _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Sat May 27 12:35:55 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 07:35:55 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] NYT: Few in St. Louis Knew Confederate Memorial Existed. Now, Many Want It Gone. In-Reply-To: <15c49d141bf-2621-17ee1@webprd-a68.mail.aol.com> References: <15c49d141bf-2621-17ee1@webprd-a68.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: The people who are objecting to it aren't asking for it to be torn down. They're asking for it to be moved to a local museum which has already agreed to accept it. The park district says it doesn't have the money to move the statue. So a local official started a GoFundMe page to raise the money to move it. She's halfway to her goal. https://www.gofundme.com/forest-park-monument Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > *DON'T TEAR IT DOWN--INSTEAD, RE-DEDICATE TO VICTIMS OF U.S. WARS!*Midge > O'Brien > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Naiman via Peace > To: peace > Sent: Sat, May 27, 2017 7:02 am > Subject: [Peace] NYT: Few in St. Louis Knew Confederate Memorial Existed. > Now, Many Want It Gone. > > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/us/st-louis-confederate- > monuments-south.html > > Few in St. Louis Knew Confederate Memorial Existed. Now, Many Want It Gone. > By JULIE BOSMAN > MAY 26, 2017 > > ST. LOUIS — The angry, divisive fight over public symbols of the > Confederacy has swept through Columbia, S.C., Birmingham, Ala., and New > Orleans. This week, the debate made its way some 600 miles north, up the > Mississippi River, to St. Louis, the home of a Confederate memorial many > residents did not know was in their midst. > > Here in a graceful public park stands this city’s own grand monument to > the Confederacy, a 32-foot-tall granite column adorned with an angel and > bronze sculpture of a stoic group of figures. It rises in a thicket of > trees, next to a trail teeming with runners, bicyclists and wanderers. > > Many residents said that until very recently, they had no idea that the > 103-year-old memorial honored Confederate soldiers. > > “Not till they started making all that hoopla over it,” said Larry > Randall, 54, who was setting off on a bike ride one afternoon this week in > front of the memorial. “I’ve been coming out here for years. I never paid > it no mind.” > > Mr. Randall, who is African-American, said he understood why some people > are now calling for it to be removed. “If it’s causing problems, then they > should get rid of it. Or maybe just polish the words off,” he said. “I > could give a hoot.” > > This monument has emerged from obscurity in the last few weeks, as four > prominent memorials to the Confederacy and its aftermath in New Orleans > were pulled down amid protests. The debate has rippled across the South. On > Wednesday, Gov. Kay Ivey of Alabama signed a measure that blocked the > “relocation, removal, alteration, renaming or other disturbance” of > “architecturally significant” monuments that have been on public property > for at least 40 years. In Hampton, Ga., a museum said on its Facebook page > that it would close next week after a county official asked that it remove > all Confederate flags from its building. > > Here, a vocal group of activists has turned its attention to this city’s > Confederate Memorial, arguing that it, too, should be carted away, out of > its prominent place in Forest Park, one of the most beloved public spaces > in St. Louis. > > The antimonument activists have a powerful lineup of city officials on > their side, including Lyda Krewson, the newly elected mayor of St. Louis, > who said that she favored removing the Confederate Memorial from the park > permanently. > > “My own opinion is that it is hurtful,” Ms. Krewson, who is white, said in > an interview on Thursday. “It reveres something that, you know, we’re not > proud of.” > > Tishaura O. Jones, the city treasurer, started a GoFundMe page > to raise money for the > monument’s removal. In about a week, she has gathered more than $11,000. > > She passes the memorial during her weekly drive to the grocery store, > usually with her 9-year-old son in tow. “What I’m trying to do is set the > record straight,” she said. “The Confederates, in my opinion, were > traitors. And in this country, we honor patriots.” > > Other St. Louisans are resisting the move, arguing that removing it would > be tantamount to blotting out the history of the Civil War. Some have said > that the enormous monument is too heavy and expensive to move, particularly > when it doesn’t have an obvious new home. Still others say that the > monument has rarely attracted attention for more than a century — why > should St. Louis be caught up in a debate that, in their view, belongs to > the Deep South? > > “My first choice would be that everyone forget it was there, like before,” > said George Stair, 77, who paused at the monument on an evening walk with > his wife, Jane Yu, who agreed that it should stay. > > Mr. Stair gazed at the sculpture. “I feel like it’s O.K. to honor ordinary > soldiers,” he said. “People went to Vietnam even though they didn’t agree > with it.” > > Missouri, once a slave state, was torn between North and South during the > Civil War, a border state where families and neighbors sympathized with > warring sides and were often pitted against one another. > > “It was a divided state, which explains why we have so many of these > problems here today,” said Mark L. Trout, the executive director of the > Missouri Civil War Museum outside St. Louis. (Mr. Trout said his museum > would be happy to accept the memorial as a gift, though he did not have a > place for it to be displayed at the moment.) > > Divisions over the Confederate Memorial turned especially sharp this week, > when demonstrators calling for its removal gathered in the park on Tuesday > evening. They were joined by a handful of counter-protesters, men who told > reporters that they were from outside St. Louis and who carried a > Confederate flag. > > One opponent of the statue, Amy Maxwell, said that people from both groups > were carrying handguns, and at one point someone snatched the Confederate > flag and ran off, instigating a chase from the pro-monument group. > > Sometime during the night, the monument was spray-painted in blue with the > phrases “This is treason” and “Black lives matter.” Workers were seen on > Wednesday morning removing the words. > > Out for a run on Wednesday, Ms. Maxwell, a 22-year-old student at Saint > Louis University, paused in front of the memorial, stepped around the metal > barriers and spat on it. > > Ms. Maxwell, who is white, said she planned to demonstrate every week > until it is removed. “It would be nice to have some black abolitionists > memorialized in this city.” > > Dorothy Bohnenkamp, 51, a psychotherapist who was born and raised in St. > Louis, was taking her usual run in the park on Wednesday, directly past the > memorial. > > She said she had rarely given the monument a thought until recently, when > it appeared in the news, and was not cheering for its removal. > > “Personally, I don’t see where it represents anything specifically related > to racism,” Ms. Bohnenkamp, who is black, said. “So they take it down. What > does that represent? It’s still the same history.” > > Ms. Krewson, the mayor, said she would like to act quickly, drawing up a > plan for removal within the next three weeks. She has seen cost estimates > of close to $130,000, and envisions using a mix of public and private money > for the project. > > For now, the memorial has become an object of curiosity in the park. > Passers-by stopped to inspect the monument, snapped cellphone pictures and > traced their fingers over the worn and stained surface. > > Ayana Parker, 12, was exercising with her mother, Shalonda Bolden, in the > park when they paused to read the lettering on the memorial. > > “It’s nice that it’s honoring soldiers,” Ayana said. Her mother gently > explained that the memorial was honoring Confederate soldiers in particular. > > “It’s for the people who wanted to keep slavery?” Ayana said, her eyes > returning to the monument. She grew quiet. “Oh.” > > Ms. Bolden said she didn’t believe the memorial should be destroyed. “They > should put it in a museum so people can get an explanation of what it is,” > she said. “It just shouldn’t be here.” > > === > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> > > _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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THE RABBIT HOLE Denying the truth, doesn't change the facts. * SYRIA RELATED MEDIA CONTRIBUTIONS * WHO AM I? * CONTACT ME Hot Topics * April 21, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // U.S./Turkey Complicit in the Use of Chemical Weapons by Daesh and “Moderate Rebels” in Syria and Iraq * April 21, 2017 in U.S. Domestic and Foreign Politics // The US, Crusader of Democracy? * April 20, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Voices from Al Hasaka: Part II (Illegally Enforcing the Kurdish Curriculum) * April 19, 2017 in MSM Propaganda // Cognitive Dissonance: The Most Prolific Psychological Plague of our Time * April 17, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // A Tale of Two Shi’a Towns Targeted by CIA-Backed “Moderate Rebels” * April 6, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Syrian Man Recounts 33 Days Of Torture At Hands Of CIA-Backed FSA * March 27, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Syria: The Bleeding Heart of The Resistance Axis سوريا هي القلب الدامي لمحور المقاومة (Arabic version) * March 25, 2017 in MSM Propaganda // 2,190 Days Of Suffering: Jasmine Describes Surviving The “Rebel” Invasion * March 21, 2017 in U.S. Domestic and Foreign Politics // ‘The State Cannot Convict Itself’: Operation ‘Gladio’ & the Crimes of U.S. Empire * March 19, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Syria: The Bleeding Heart of the Axis of Resistance * May 27, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // US-Funded Kurdish-Led SDF Assisting Daesh in Escaping or Setting Them Up for Elimination? * May 21, 2017 in U.S. Domestic and Foreign Politics // Trump’s First International trip: Religious Pilgrimage or Blood Money Alliance? * May 19, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Could Geneva IV Become as Effective as Astana? * May 17, 2017 in MSM Propaganda // “New Hollywood Plot” to Undermine Syrian Peace Negotiations * May 12, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // The X Files of Turkey & the US: The Conflict Is Out There * May 12, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // The Decade-Long U.S. Campaign to Foment Syria’s “Revolution” and Unseat Assad * May 9, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Syria: Battle Plans Post Astana De-escalation Agreement * May 5, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // De-escalation Zone Memorandum – Decisive Step Towards Peace in Syria * May 4, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // De-escalation Zones in Syria: New Memorandum Signed at Astana Peace Talks Meeting * May 2, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // INVESTIGATION: Route Used for Transporting US-Funded Weapons to AlQaeda EXPOSED * April 30, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Britain and US Sponsor a Proposal to Balkanize Southern Syria * April 28, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Syrian Chessboard: Deadly Turkish Airstrikes Provoke Washington * April 27, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Israeli Aggression: Airstrikes near Damascus International Airport rock the capital * April 24, 2017 in U.S. Domestic and Foreign Politics // Creating Sectarian Divide “Cataclysmic Conflict”, Neutralizing Syria before attacking Iran, recruiting FAKEtivists and Dumas Exposé * April 24, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // America’s Foreign Policy “Coup”: Destabilizing the Middle East and Faking the Case Against Syria (Part I of a Series) Flemish Priest speaks the TRUTH about Syria Posted on February 8, 2017 by Sarah Abed in Syria Related Articles, Uncategorized // 1 Comment [https://sarahabed.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/download_3_-400x226.jpg?w=400&h=226&crop=1] “The Media Coverage on Syria is the Biggest Media Lie of our Time”: Interview with Flemish Priest in Syria By Père Daniel Maes Global Research , January 28, 2017 Signs of the Times 24 January 2017 Flemish Father Daniël Maes (78) lives in Syria in the sixth-century-old Mar Yakub monastery in the city of Qara, 90 kilometers north of the capital Damascus. Father Daniel has been a witness to the “civil war” and according to him, Western reports on the conflict in Syria are very misleading. In short: “the Americans and their allies want to completely ruin the country.” Interviewer: You are very critical of the media coverage on Syria. What is bothering you? Father Daniel: “The idea that a popular uprising took place against President Assad is completely false. I’ve been in Qara since 2010 and I have seen with my own eyes how agitators from outside Syria organized protests against the government and recruited young people. That was filmed and aired by Al Jazeera to give the impression that a rebellion was taking place. Murders were committed by foreign terrorists, against the Sunni and Christian communities, in an effort to sow religious and ethnic discord among the Syrian people. While in my experience, the Syrian people were actually very united. Before the war, this was a harmonious country: a secular state in which different religious communities lived side by side peacefully. There was hardly any poverty, education was free, and health care was good. It was only not possible to freely express your political views. But most people did not care about that.” Interviewer: Mother Agnès-Mariam, of your Mar Yakub (“Saint Jacob”) monastery, is accused of siding with the regime. She has friends at the highest level. Father Daniel: “mother Agnès-Mariam helps the population: she has recently opened a soup kitchen in Aleppo, where 25,000 meals are prepared five times a week. Look, it is miraculous that we are still alive. We owe that to the army of Assad’s government and to Vladimir Putin, because he decided to intervene when the rebels threatened to take power. When thousands of terrorists settled in Qara, we became afraid for our lives. They came from the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia, Europe, Turkey, Libya, there were many Chechens. They formed a foreign occupation force, all allied to al-Qaeda and other terrorists. Armed to the teeth by the West and their allies with the intention to act against us, they literally said: “This country belongs to us now.” Often, they were drugged, they fought each other, in the evening they fired randomly. We had to hide in the crypts of the monastery for a long time. When the Syrian army chased them away, everybody was happy: the Syrian citizens because they hate the foreign rebels, and we because peace had returned.” Interviewer: You say that the Syrian Army protects civilians, yet there are all sorts of reports about war crimes committed by Assad’s forces, such as the bombardments with barrel bombs. Father Daniel: “Do you not know that the media coverage on Syria is the biggest media lie of our time? They have sold pure nonsense about Assad: It was actually the rebels who plundered and killed. Do you think that the Syrian people are stupid?Do you think those people were forced to cheer for Assad and Putin? It is the Americans who have a hand in all of this, for pipelines and natural resources in this region and to thwart Putin.” Saudi Arabia and Qatar want to establish a Sunni state in Syria, without religious freedom. Therefore, Assad must go. You know, when the Syrian army was preparing for the battle in Aleppo, Muslim soldiers came to me to be blessed. Between ordinary Muslims and Christians, there is no problem. It is those radical Islamic, Western-backed rebels who want to massacre us. They are all al Qaeda and IS. There are not any moderate fighters anymore.” Interviewer: You once mentioned Hillary Clinton to be a ‘devil in holy water’, because as foreign minister, she deliberately worsened the conflict. Father Daniel: “I am happy with Trump. He sees what every normal person understands: That the United States should stop undermining countries which possess natural resources. The Americans’ attempt to impose a unipolar world is the biggest problem. Trump understands that radical Islam is a bigger threat than Russia. What do I care whether he occasionally takes off his pants? If Trump practices geopolitics the way he has promised to do so, then the future looks bright. Then it will become similar to Putin’s approach. And hopefully then, there will be a solution for Syria, and peace will return.” Interviewer: You understand that your analysis is controversial and will encounter much criticism? Father Daniel: “I speak from personal observation. And no one has to believe me, right? But I know one thing: The media can either contribute to the massacre of the Syrian people or help the Syrian people, with their media coverage. 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THE RABBIT HOLE Denying the truth, doesn't change the facts. * SYRIA RELATED MEDIA CONTRIBUTIONS * WHO AM I? * CONTACT ME Hot Topics * April 21, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // U.S./Turkey Complicit in the Use of Chemical Weapons by Daesh and “Moderate Rebels” in Syria and Iraq * April 21, 2017 in U.S. Domestic and Foreign Politics // The US, Crusader of Democracy? * April 20, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Voices from Al Hasaka: Part II (Illegally Enforcing the Kurdish Curriculum) * April 19, 2017 in MSM Propaganda // Cognitive Dissonance: The Most Prolific Psychological Plague of our Time * April 17, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // A Tale of Two Shi’a Towns Targeted by CIA-Backed “Moderate Rebels” * April 6, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Syrian Man Recounts 33 Days Of Torture At Hands Of CIA-Backed FSA * March 27, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Syria: The Bleeding Heart of The Resistance Axis سوريا هي القلب الدامي لمحور المقاومة (Arabic version) * March 25, 2017 in MSM Propaganda // 2,190 Days Of Suffering: Jasmine Describes Surviving The “Rebel” Invasion * March 21, 2017 in U.S. Domestic and Foreign Politics // ‘The State Cannot Convict Itself’: Operation ‘Gladio’ & the Crimes of U.S. Empire * March 19, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Syria: The Bleeding Heart of the Axis of Resistance * May 27, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // US-Funded Kurdish-Led SDF Assisting Daesh in Escaping or Setting Them Up for Elimination? * May 21, 2017 in U.S. Domestic and Foreign Politics // Trump’s First International trip: Religious Pilgrimage or Blood Money Alliance? * May 19, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Could Geneva IV Become as Effective as Astana? * May 17, 2017 in MSM Propaganda // “New Hollywood Plot” to Undermine Syrian Peace Negotiations * May 12, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // The X Files of Turkey & the US: The Conflict Is Out There * May 12, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // The Decade-Long U.S. Campaign to Foment Syria’s “Revolution” and Unseat Assad * May 9, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Syria: Battle Plans Post Astana De-escalation Agreement * May 5, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // De-escalation Zone Memorandum – Decisive Step Towards Peace in Syria * May 4, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // De-escalation Zones in Syria: New Memorandum Signed at Astana Peace Talks Meeting * May 2, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // INVESTIGATION: Route Used for Transporting US-Funded Weapons to AlQaeda EXPOSED * April 30, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Britain and US Sponsor a Proposal to Balkanize Southern Syria * April 28, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Syrian Chessboard: Deadly Turkish Airstrikes Provoke Washington * April 27, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // Israeli Aggression: Airstrikes near Damascus International Airport rock the capital * April 24, 2017 in U.S. Domestic and Foreign Politics // Creating Sectarian Divide “Cataclysmic Conflict”, Neutralizing Syria before attacking Iran, recruiting FAKEtivists and Dumas Exposé * April 24, 2017 in Syria Related Articles // America’s Foreign Policy “Coup”: Destabilizing the Middle East and Faking the Case Against Syria (Part I of a Series) Flemish Priest speaks the TRUTH about Syria Posted on February 8, 2017 by Sarah Abed in Syria Related Articles, Uncategorized // 1 Comment [https://sarahabed.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/download_3_-400x226.jpg?w=400&h=226&crop=1] “The Media Coverage on Syria is the Biggest Media Lie of our Time”: Interview with Flemish Priest in Syria By Père Daniel Maes Global Research , January 28, 2017 Signs of the Times 24 January 2017 Flemish Father Daniël Maes (78) lives in Syria in the sixth-century-old Mar Yakub monastery in the city of Qara, 90 kilometers north of the capital Damascus. Father Daniel has been a witness to the “civil war” and according to him, Western reports on the conflict in Syria are very misleading. In short: “the Americans and their allies want to completely ruin the country.” Interviewer: You are very critical of the media coverage on Syria. What is bothering you? Father Daniel: “The idea that a popular uprising took place against President Assad is completely false. I’ve been in Qara since 2010 and I have seen with my own eyes how agitators from outside Syria organized protests against the government and recruited young people. That was filmed and aired by Al Jazeera to give the impression that a rebellion was taking place. Murders were committed by foreign terrorists, against the Sunni and Christian communities, in an effort to sow religious and ethnic discord among the Syrian people. While in my experience, the Syrian people were actually very united. Before the war, this was a harmonious country: a secular state in which different religious communities lived side by side peacefully. There was hardly any poverty, education was free, and health care was good. It was only not possible to freely express your political views. But most people did not care about that.” Interviewer: Mother Agnès-Mariam, of your Mar Yakub (“Saint Jacob”) monastery, is accused of siding with the regime. She has friends at the highest level. Father Daniel: “mother Agnès-Mariam helps the population: she has recently opened a soup kitchen in Aleppo, where 25,000 meals are prepared five times a week. Look, it is miraculous that we are still alive. We owe that to the army of Assad’s government and to Vladimir Putin, because he decided to intervene when the rebels threatened to take power. When thousands of terrorists settled in Qara, we became afraid for our lives. They came from the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia, Europe, Turkey, Libya, there were many Chechens. They formed a foreign occupation force, all allied to al-Qaeda and other terrorists. Armed to the teeth by the West and their allies with the intention to act against us, they literally said: “This country belongs to us now.” Often, they were drugged, they fought each other, in the evening they fired randomly. We had to hide in the crypts of the monastery for a long time. When the Syrian army chased them away, everybody was happy: the Syrian citizens because they hate the foreign rebels, and we because peace had returned.” Interviewer: You say that the Syrian Army protects civilians, yet there are all sorts of reports about war crimes committed by Assad’s forces, such as the bombardments with barrel bombs. Father Daniel: “Do you not know that the media coverage on Syria is the biggest media lie of our time? They have sold pure nonsense about Assad: It was actually the rebels who plundered and killed. Do you think that the Syrian people are stupid?Do you think those people were forced to cheer for Assad and Putin? It is the Americans who have a hand in all of this, for pipelines and natural resources in this region and to thwart Putin.” Saudi Arabia and Qatar want to establish a Sunni state in Syria, without religious freedom. Therefore, Assad must go. You know, when the Syrian army was preparing for the battle in Aleppo, Muslim soldiers came to me to be blessed. Between ordinary Muslims and Christians, there is no problem. It is those radical Islamic, Western-backed rebels who want to massacre us. They are all al Qaeda and IS. There are not any moderate fighters anymore.” Interviewer: You once mentioned Hillary Clinton to be a ‘devil in holy water’, because as foreign minister, she deliberately worsened the conflict. Father Daniel: “I am happy with Trump. He sees what every normal person understands: That the United States should stop undermining countries which possess natural resources. The Americans’ attempt to impose a unipolar world is the biggest problem. Trump understands that radical Islam is a bigger threat than Russia. What do I care whether he occasionally takes off his pants? If Trump practices geopolitics the way he has promised to do so, then the future looks bright. Then it will become similar to Putin’s approach. And hopefully then, there will be a solution for Syria, and peace will return.” Interviewer: You understand that your analysis is controversial and will encounter much criticism? Father Daniel: “I speak from personal observation. And no one has to believe me, right? But I know one thing: The media can either contribute to the massacre of the Syrian people or help the Syrian people, with their media coverage. Unfortunately, there are too many followers and cowards among journalists.” -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat May 27 18:41:52 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:41:52 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Manchester bomber In-Reply-To: <00c101d2d4eb$7ccba690$7662f3b0$@comcast.net> References: <402450435.1656827.1495639614085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <402450435.1656827.1495639614085@mail.yahoo.com> <2102E55C-EC4B-43D1-9F7E-DA9065667B13@illinois.edu> <00c101d2d4eb$7ccba690$7662f3b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2419F554-02BD-4E69-A490-0995EFC6FFCE@illinois.edu> David— In re your discussion of the Manchester bomber on WLH today. Regards, CGE =========================================================== Pepe Escobar: THE MANCHESTER-LIBYA CONNECTION IN FIVE MINUTES Let’s focus on Ramadan, father of the Manchester “martyr” Salman Obeidi; now that’s a nasty piece of work. He hails from the al-Obeidi tribe, from al Gubbah in eastern Libya. Under Gaddafi he was a Sgt. Major, very pious and Islamist-connected. He left Libya in 1991 and settled down in the Saudi Wahhabi paradise where – crucially – he trained mujahideen fighting in Afghanistan against the Najibullah government, after the Soviet retreat. In 1992 the mujahideen enter Kabul, as in bomb it to death, including the recently “normalized” Hekmatyar. Ramadan goes to London and then Manchester, joining the Libyan Islamist diaspora that coalesces around the Libya Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). Ramadan connects with none other that Abu Anas Al-Libbi – who also lives in Manchester – and will become the brains behind the al-Qaeda attacks on Kenya and Tanzania in 1998. Ramadan also connects with the infamous Abdelhakim Belhaj – former mujahid in Afghanistan and VERY close to… Osama Bin Laden. Belhaj convinces Ramadan to go back to Libya. After the Cameron/Sarkozy/NATO “liberation” of Libya, Ramadan joins the Al Umma party, whose leader is Sami al Saadi, one of the LIFG’s top commanders, and gets very close to the Grand Mufti Sadeq al-Ghariani, the spiritual guide of hardcore Islamist militias linked to Belhaj. Three years ago Ramadan was part of the Islamist militia raid that re-conquered Tripoli’s airport; son Salman flew from Manchester for this one, was shot, and treated in Turkey. Ramadan was also part of the Benghazi Defense Brigades; a mish mash of Islamists from Katiba 17 (financed by Qatar and instrumental in the Benghazi revolt against Gaddafi) and Ansar al Sharia. You all remember what happened on 9/11, 2012; it was Ansar al Sharia operatives who attacked the US consulate in Benghazi. Arguably the key point in all this mess is that Ramadan profited from the MI5 rat line transporting Libyans back to the home country to fight Gaddafi. The minister in charge of authorizing this “policy”? Theresa May. MI5 and the British government always knew, all along, what Ramadan was all about. He was certainly an asset; the Brits were heavily involved in eastern Libya from the start. He has not been arrested; he’s now under protection, Mafia-style. His “arrest” took place – how lovely! - just as a shadow flight carrying US Special Forces landed in Misrata. The only missing link is why son Salman “betrayed” his al-Qaeda Dad by converting to Daesh. This is just an ultra-concise summary of the whole stinking-to-high-heavens scam. But you get the drift. ### From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 27 19:44:54 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 19:44:54 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Film on Netflix Message-ID: The film “War Machine,” starring Brad Pitt, is based upon the book “The Operators” written by the late Michael Hastings. It’s about Gen. Stanley A Mc Chrystal’s time in Afghanistan. It may not be a very good or moving film, its attempt at comedy is a bit overdone and falls short. But it is an anti-war film that even the simplest person can understand. As we send more troops back there now. From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 27 19:44:54 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 19:44:54 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Film on Netflix Message-ID: The film “War Machine,” starring Brad Pitt, is based upon the book “The Operators” written by the late Michael Hastings. It’s about Gen. Stanley A Mc Chrystal’s time in Afghanistan. It may not be a very good or moving film, its attempt at comedy is a bit overdone and falls short. But it is an anti-war film that even the simplest person can understand. As we send more troops back there now. From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 27 21:05:32 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 21:05:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Syria Message-ID: Yet Another Video Shows U.S.-Funded White Helmets Assisting Public Executions in Rebel-Held Syria FRIDAY, 26 MAY 2017 09:30 By Ben Norton, Max Blumenthal / AlterNet The shocking regime change scandal mainstream media refuses to touch. [http://www.alternet.org/sites/default/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/white_helmets_daraa_execution.png?itok=fAgaXkMG] Photo Credit: Facebook screencapture Syria Civil Defense, popularly known as the White Helmets, can be seen in a new video assisting in a public execution in a rebel-held town in Syria. It is at least the second such execution video featuring members of the Nobel Prize-nominated group. The White Helmets have received at least $23 million in funding from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), a wing of the State Department. The British Foreign Office and other European governments have pitched in as well. Frequently cited as an invaluable source of information by major Western media outlets, the group was the subject of an Academy Award-winning 2016 Netflix documentary, The White Helmets. Endorsements from A-list Hollywood celebrities like George Clooney and Justin Timberlake, as well as Hillary Clinton and British Foreign Minister Boris Johnson, have followed. Large corporate media networks have yet to report on the dark side of the White Helmets, however, and films like the widely celebrated Netflix feature function as uncritical commercials for the group, helping to keep the public in a state of ignorance about the domination of the Western-backed Syrian armed opposition by extremist Salafi jihadist groups, and about the civil conflict in general. While CNN and other outlets rely heavily on footage taken by White Helmets members, not one major Western media outlet has reported on the latest execution video starring the group’s uniformed members. The video, which Syrian opposition activists uploaded to Facebook, shows three men from the White Helmets rushing into the center of a crowd, mere seconds after an alleged criminal was shot in the head, and removing the body on a stretcher. A member of the White Helmets can be seen celebrating along with the crowd of onlookers. WARNING: This video features violence that may disturb viewers. The men in the video were clearly identified by their signature white helmets, along with vests embroidered with the Syria Civil Defense logo. The public execution took place in the small city of Jasim, in Syria’s southern Daraa province — which is often described as a hub for "moderate" rebels. Activists posted the video on May 16 on the Facebook page Coordination of the City of Al-Harra, Mother of the Martyrs, a site for the opposition in the neighboring city of Al-Harra. Two days later, Syria Civil Defense released a carefully crafted statement admitting its members were involved in the execution. The statement noted that a tribal council in Jasim had asked the White Helmets "to humanely dispose of the body of a person that had been sentenced to death, by the local court, for murder." The group said it had "conducted an investigation" into the execution, and in response dismissed a White Helmet leader, while temporarily suspending two other team members. Executing an Oscar-worthy performance This is not the first time the White Helmets have appeared as participants in a public execution. A jarring execution filmed in 2015 in the rebel-held town of Haritan shows two members of Syria Civil Defense waiting just off camera while a member of Syria's al-Qaeda affiliate, Jabhat al-Nusra, reads out a death sentence, before shooting a man dressed in street clothes in the head. Seconds later, the White Helmets team tosses the man's body onto a stretcher and scrambles away. WARNING: This video features violence that may disturb viewers. The 2015 video prompted a carefully worded statement by the organization, condemning the killing and claiming its members were simply fulfilling their task by performing “the emergency burial of the dead.” A British public relations outfit called the Syria Campaign was hired by an influential British-Syrian billionaire, Ayman Asfari, to market the White Helmets to the Western public. As Max Blumenthal has reported for AlterNet, the Syria Campaign was itself the creation of a slick New York City- and London-based public relations firm called Purpose. Among the PR group’s greatest achievements was fundraising for the widely celebrated Netflix documentary. This year, the makers of the film were awarded with an Oscar for Best Documentary Short. As he received the honor before millions of viewers around the world, director Orlando Einsiedel read a prepared statement from Read al-Saleh, the director of the White Helmets: “Our organization is guided by a verse in the Quran: ‘To save one life is to save all of humanity.’” But the execution videos call into question the White Helmets’ claims to act as an impartial, life-saving rescue organization, and raise serious questions about the motives of its funders and promoters within public relations firms and mainstream newsrooms. ‘Hidden soldiers’ of al-Qaeda and ISIS? The White Helmets operate exclusively within the armed Syrian opposition, working closely with al-Qaeda’s local affiliate, Jabhat al-Nusra, and even ISIS. The British journalist and ISIS hostage John Cantlie inadvertently exposed the group’s relationship with ISIS when he referred to a White Helmets team as “the Islamic State’s fire brigade” in a propaganda video he was forced to participate in. Videos and photos of White Helmets members posing triumphantly on the corpses of Syrian soldiers and joining fighters in accostingan alleged political opponent have circulated throughout social media. In March 2015, the extremist-sympathizing opposition media outlet Sarmeen posted a video featuring the White Helmets gleefully joining a chant with Salafi jihadist fighters in Idlib, as they fire a fusillade of bullets into the air. A member of Syria Civil Defense grabs a flag from one of the militants and begins waving it: a black flag with the shahada in white letters, a common Salafi jihadist symbol, emblazoned with the name of Jaish al-Sunna, an extremist Islamist militia that is allied with Syria’s al-Qaeda affiliate and that has reportedly recruited child soldiers with the help of the al-Qaeda-linked fundamentalist Saudi warlord Abdullah al-Muhaysini. Another upload to YouTube, posted the same day by the rebel media outlet, shows White Helmets joining the extremist militants in songs and chants. Al-Muhaysini, the ideological leader of Syria’s Salafi jihadist rebels, has repeatedly praised the White Helmets. The Saudi warlord, who has been implicated in numerous war crimes in Syria, including mass executions of captured Syrian soldiers, insisted in an interview that there is no difference between the “mujahideen” (Salafi jihadist fighters) and the White Helmets. He even favorably described Syria Civil Defense members as mujahideen. In May 2015, a White Helmets member named Muawiya Hassan Agha posted a grotesque video to Facebook (since deleted) that showed extremist Syrian rebels torturing two captured soldiers they later executed. Agha had also been filmed celebrating the capture of Idlib by al-Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate. Rumors circulated that Agha was dismissed from the White Helmets when his involvement in the atrocities came to light. This March, a leader of Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham, the powerful newly rebranded al-Qaeda-led rebel coalition in Syria, hailed the White Helmets in a special video message as the “hidden soldiers of the revolution.” For more coverage of the White Helmets scandal, read Max Blumenthal’s two-part investigation here and here, and Gareth Porter’s expose of White Helmets misinformation. Ben Norton is a reporter for AlterNet's Grayzone Project. You can follow him on Twitter at @BenjaminNorton. Max Blumenthal is a senior editor of the Grayzone Project at AlterNet, and the award-winning author of Goliath and Republican Gomorrah. His most recent book is The 51 Day War: Ruin and Resistance in Gaza. Follow him on Twitter at @MaxBlumenthal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat May 27 21:05:32 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 21:05:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Syria Message-ID: Yet Another Video Shows U.S.-Funded White Helmets Assisting Public Executions in Rebel-Held Syria FRIDAY, 26 MAY 2017 09:30 By Ben Norton, Max Blumenthal / AlterNet The shocking regime change scandal mainstream media refuses to touch. [http://www.alternet.org/sites/default/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/white_helmets_daraa_execution.png?itok=fAgaXkMG] Photo Credit: Facebook screencapture Syria Civil Defense, popularly known as the White Helmets, can be seen in a new video assisting in a public execution in a rebel-held town in Syria. It is at least the second such execution video featuring members of the Nobel Prize-nominated group. The White Helmets have received at least $23 million in funding from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), a wing of the State Department. The British Foreign Office and other European governments have pitched in as well. Frequently cited as an invaluable source of information by major Western media outlets, the group was the subject of an Academy Award-winning 2016 Netflix documentary, The White Helmets. Endorsements from A-list Hollywood celebrities like George Clooney and Justin Timberlake, as well as Hillary Clinton and British Foreign Minister Boris Johnson, have followed. Large corporate media networks have yet to report on the dark side of the White Helmets, however, and films like the widely celebrated Netflix feature function as uncritical commercials for the group, helping to keep the public in a state of ignorance about the domination of the Western-backed Syrian armed opposition by extremist Salafi jihadist groups, and about the civil conflict in general. While CNN and other outlets rely heavily on footage taken by White Helmets members, not one major Western media outlet has reported on the latest execution video starring the group’s uniformed members. The video, which Syrian opposition activists uploaded to Facebook, shows three men from the White Helmets rushing into the center of a crowd, mere seconds after an alleged criminal was shot in the head, and removing the body on a stretcher. A member of the White Helmets can be seen celebrating along with the crowd of onlookers. WARNING: This video features violence that may disturb viewers. The men in the video were clearly identified by their signature white helmets, along with vests embroidered with the Syria Civil Defense logo. The public execution took place in the small city of Jasim, in Syria’s southern Daraa province — which is often described as a hub for "moderate" rebels. Activists posted the video on May 16 on the Facebook page Coordination of the City of Al-Harra, Mother of the Martyrs, a site for the opposition in the neighboring city of Al-Harra. Two days later, Syria Civil Defense released a carefully crafted statement admitting its members were involved in the execution. The statement noted that a tribal council in Jasim had asked the White Helmets "to humanely dispose of the body of a person that had been sentenced to death, by the local court, for murder." The group said it had "conducted an investigation" into the execution, and in response dismissed a White Helmet leader, while temporarily suspending two other team members. Executing an Oscar-worthy performance This is not the first time the White Helmets have appeared as participants in a public execution. A jarring execution filmed in 2015 in the rebel-held town of Haritan shows two members of Syria Civil Defense waiting just off camera while a member of Syria's al-Qaeda affiliate, Jabhat al-Nusra, reads out a death sentence, before shooting a man dressed in street clothes in the head. Seconds later, the White Helmets team tosses the man's body onto a stretcher and scrambles away. WARNING: This video features violence that may disturb viewers. The 2015 video prompted a carefully worded statement by the organization, condemning the killing and claiming its members were simply fulfilling their task by performing “the emergency burial of the dead.” A British public relations outfit called the Syria Campaign was hired by an influential British-Syrian billionaire, Ayman Asfari, to market the White Helmets to the Western public. As Max Blumenthal has reported for AlterNet, the Syria Campaign was itself the creation of a slick New York City- and London-based public relations firm called Purpose. Among the PR group’s greatest achievements was fundraising for the widely celebrated Netflix documentary. This year, the makers of the film were awarded with an Oscar for Best Documentary Short. As he received the honor before millions of viewers around the world, director Orlando Einsiedel read a prepared statement from Read al-Saleh, the director of the White Helmets: “Our organization is guided by a verse in the Quran: ‘To save one life is to save all of humanity.’” But the execution videos call into question the White Helmets’ claims to act as an impartial, life-saving rescue organization, and raise serious questions about the motives of its funders and promoters within public relations firms and mainstream newsrooms. ‘Hidden soldiers’ of al-Qaeda and ISIS? The White Helmets operate exclusively within the armed Syrian opposition, working closely with al-Qaeda’s local affiliate, Jabhat al-Nusra, and even ISIS. The British journalist and ISIS hostage John Cantlie inadvertently exposed the group’s relationship with ISIS when he referred to a White Helmets team as “the Islamic State’s fire brigade” in a propaganda video he was forced to participate in. Videos and photos of White Helmets members posing triumphantly on the corpses of Syrian soldiers and joining fighters in accostingan alleged political opponent have circulated throughout social media. In March 2015, the extremist-sympathizing opposition media outlet Sarmeen posted a video featuring the White Helmets gleefully joining a chant with Salafi jihadist fighters in Idlib, as they fire a fusillade of bullets into the air. A member of Syria Civil Defense grabs a flag from one of the militants and begins waving it: a black flag with the shahada in white letters, a common Salafi jihadist symbol, emblazoned with the name of Jaish al-Sunna, an extremist Islamist militia that is allied with Syria’s al-Qaeda affiliate and that has reportedly recruited child soldiers with the help of the al-Qaeda-linked fundamentalist Saudi warlord Abdullah al-Muhaysini. Another upload to YouTube, posted the same day by the rebel media outlet, shows White Helmets joining the extremist militants in songs and chants. Al-Muhaysini, the ideological leader of Syria’s Salafi jihadist rebels, has repeatedly praised the White Helmets. The Saudi warlord, who has been implicated in numerous war crimes in Syria, including mass executions of captured Syrian soldiers, insisted in an interview that there is no difference between the “mujahideen” (Salafi jihadist fighters) and the White Helmets. He even favorably described Syria Civil Defense members as mujahideen. In May 2015, a White Helmets member named Muawiya Hassan Agha posted a grotesque video to Facebook (since deleted) that showed extremist Syrian rebels torturing two captured soldiers they later executed. Agha had also been filmed celebrating the capture of Idlib by al-Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate. Rumors circulated that Agha was dismissed from the White Helmets when his involvement in the atrocities came to light. This March, a leader of Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham, the powerful newly rebranded al-Qaeda-led rebel coalition in Syria, hailed the White Helmets in a special video message as the “hidden soldiers of the revolution.” For more coverage of the White Helmets scandal, read Max Blumenthal’s two-part investigation here and here, and Gareth Porter’s expose of White Helmets misinformation. Ben Norton is a reporter for AlterNet's Grayzone Project. You can follow him on Twitter at @BenjaminNorton. Max Blumenthal is a senior editor of the Grayzone Project at AlterNet, and the award-winning author of Goliath and Republican Gomorrah. His most recent book is The 51 Day War: Ruin and Resistance in Gaza. Follow him on Twitter at @MaxBlumenthal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Sun May 28 02:29:23 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 21:29:23 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Film on Netflix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002e01d2d75a$389baa80$a9d2ff80$@comcast.net> Watched it yesterday evening. Started out good and then kind of fizzled to mediocre at best. Nevertheless anti-war and I salute ( no pun attended ) the effort. David J. -----Original Message----- From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:45 PM To: Peace-discuss AWARE; peace-discuss; Peace Subject: [Peace-discuss] Film on Netflix The film “War Machine,” starring Brad Pitt, is based upon the book “The Operators” written by the late Michael Hastings. It’s about Gen. Stanley A Mc Chrystal’s time in Afghanistan. It may not be a very good or moving film, its attempt at comedy is a bit overdone and falls short. But it is an anti-war film that even the simplest person can understand. As we send more troops back there now. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Sun May 28 17:05:14 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:05:14 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Brzezinski: CIA entered Afghanistan before the Russians Message-ID: <00a001d2d7d4$934f44d0$b9edce70$@comcast.net> Brzezinski on Afghanistan, Islam and the Soviet Union Description: http://www.defenddemocracy.press/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/unnamed11.jpg Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct? Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention. Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it? B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would. Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today? B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire. Read also: Washington's march of folly Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists? B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war? Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today. B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries. Translated from the French by Bill Blum -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The conference will be three days of panels, workshops, discussions, a Saturday evening rally with cultural performances and a Sunday march to Richmond’s African Burial Ground to declare UNAC’s support for the Community Proposal for a nine-acre Shockoe Bottom Memorial Park. Who’s coming? Nearly 80 organizations. And these are just some of the nationally known speakers: Ajamu Baraka, 2016 Vice Presidential Green Party candidate; Founder, Black Alliance for Peace Brian Becker, Director, ANSWER Coalition Medea Benjamin, Co-Founder, CODEPINK Maurice Carney, Executive Director, Friends of the Congo Sara Flounders, Co-Coordinator, International Action Center Glen Ford, Executive Editor, Black Agenda Report Jaribu Hill, Executive Director, Mississippi Workers Center for Human Rights Margaret Kimberley, Editor & Senior Columnist, Black Agenda Report Ray LaForest, Director, Haiti Support Network Joe Lombardo, Co-Coordinator, United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC) Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst; Co-Founder, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity Charo Mina-Rojas, Afro-Colombian activist with the Colombian Ethnic Commission for Peace David Swanson, Co-Founder & Director, World Beyond War, Campaign Coordinator RootsAction.org Gail Walker, Executive Director, IFCO / Pastors for Peace Ann Wright, Ret. U.S. Army Colonel, former diplomat & now active member of Code Pink and Veterans for Peace Kevin Zeese, Director, Popular Resistance And we’ll have Virginia activists as well, including: Adeeb Abed, Founder & President, Arab American Association of Central Virginia Saba Abed, Co-Founder, Ibn Rushd Cultural Center Askari Danso, Virginia Prisoner Leader; Co-Host, Sankofa Radio; Columnist, The Virginia Defender Ana Edwards, Chair, Defenders’ Sacred Ground Historical Reclamation Project Micky Alexander Jordan, Southerners On New Ground (SONG) Rebecca Keel, Southerners On New Ground (SONG) Lee Robinson, All African People's Revolutionary Party (GC) Adria Scharf, Director, Richmond Peace Education Center Carolina Velez, ICE Out of RVA Whitney Whiting, A leading Community Activist in the campaign to stop the Atlantic Coastal Pipeline And a Representative from Raise Up Fight for $15 Plus speakers from many other countries, including Canada, Colombia, the Philippines, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine and Venezuela. Sign up at http://unacconference2017.org -- The RootsAction.org Team P.S. RootsAction is an independent online force endorsed by Jim Hightower, Barbara Ehrenreich, Cornel West, Daniel Ellsberg, Glenn Greenwald, Naomi Klein, Bill Fletcher Jr., Laura Flanders, former U.S. Senator James Abourezk, Frances Fox Piven, Lila Garrett, Phil Donahue, Sonali Kolhatkar, and many others. Help support DavidSwanson.org, WarIsACrime.org, andTalkNationRadio.org by clicking here: http://davidswanson.org/donate. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Wed May 31 21:21:32 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 21:21:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] DemNow! andTimothy Snyder Message-ID: <4AA391A1-4E53-4B6F-A02B-B95AE8E4B361@illinois.edu> Interesting interview with smart guy, Yale prof Timothy Snyder, who talks about how to prevent authoritarianism without ever taking into account what the U.S. has done in its overthrow of governments and its wars to in fact promote authoritarianism (think of Chile, Brazil, Central America, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia,…). He is also the one who most vociferously defended the coup in Ukraine, the attacks against the separatist Donbas region, and its fascist overtones. What lies behind this is his deep antagonism to Russia.. I found it curious also that he never alluded to American militarism and the consequences it has for authoritarianism. He’s written a book “On Tyranny”. It might be interesting to parse. When I saw that Snyder was featured on DemocracyNow!, I was tempted to ignore it. —mkb