[Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG
Boyle, Francis A
fboyle at illinois.edu
Sat Nov 4 13:48:22 UTC 2017
Right Carl. About 1.5 million dead and counting under Obama and now Trump. Fab.
Francis A. Boyle
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG
Of course the US committed war crimes in Iraq. The US invasion of that country is the greatest international crime of the century - so far.
On ‘American Free Press,’ see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press>.
> On Nov 4, 2017, at 8:11 AM, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com> wrote:
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> You do know that Christopher Bollyn is NOT a reporter but is a Neo Nazi operative of long standing and that the American Free Press is not a news organization, but a Neo Nazi front - look up Willis Carto - he was Bollyn's boss and founded the American Free Press - this website that has reports of conference for American Free Press and The Barnes Review used to have a prominent picture of a Nazi flag behind the blogger Alex Hassinger - Douglas Lind Rokke of Urbana spoke at this event and Dave von Kleist the producer of Rokke's first anti-US propaganda video "Beyond Treason" was the master of ceremonies - http://www.chairmanofnordwave.blogspot.com
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> Carto died in 2015 - there are a number of good sources on Carto in a simple Google search -
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> Learn about Neo Nazis - read this book - "Blood and Politics" - it mentions Bollyn and extensively discusses Carto - pg 382, which I can e-mail to all who request - has Carto's establishment of The Barnes Review, a Holocaust Denial publication - The American Free Press replaced Carto's The Spotlight after Carto lost a legal battle - Bollyn is also mentioned in connection with a Pat Buchanan campaign apparatus
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> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:57 AM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu> wrote:
> I also want to make it clear for the record that before the invasions of Saipan, Tinian and Okinawa my Father, a Marine, was ordered by his Captain not to take prisoners of war on the grounds of reciprocity that the Japanese did not take Prisoners of War of our Men. My Father disobeyed these clearly illegal orders and took Japanese Prisoners of War. I cite the example of my Father to my law students to refute the objection that you cannot expect soldiers to obey the laws of war during combat. If my Father could obey the laws of war at Saipan, Tinian, and Okinawa, any other soldier should be able to do the same. Meanwhile,while I am teaching this to my students, the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty aid, abet, and promote and facilitate war crimes and crimes against humanity from the safety of their offices. My Father later became a Lawyer. RIP. The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are despicable! Fab.
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> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG
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> Mattis expected his troops to be peacekeepers. They brought soccer balls with them when they deployed.
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> LOL! Marines don’t play soccer or teach kids to play soccer.. My Dad was a Marine. He invaded Saipan, Tinian and Okinawa before he became a Lawyer. Marines destroy anyone and anything that is in front of them as they are trained to do and did at Fallujah under Mattis—A Real Mad Dog War Criminal. Fab.
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> A War Crime in Real Time
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> Obliterating Fallujah
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> The obliteration of Fallujah continues apace. Article 6(b) of the 1945 Nuremberg Charter defines a Nuremberg War Crime in relevant part as the ". . . wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages. . ." According to this definitive definition, the Bush Jr. administration's destruction of Fallujah constitutes a war crime for which Nazis were tried and executed. There is nothing surprising about that.
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> Since the Bush Jr. administration's installation in power by the United States Supreme Court in January of 2001, the peoples of the world have witnessed a government in the United States of America that has demonstrated little if any respect for fundamental considerations of international law, international organizations, and human rights, let alone appreciation of the requirements for maintaining international peace and security. What the world has watched instead is a comprehensive and malicious assault upon the integrity of the international legal order by a group of men and women who are thoroughly Machiavellian in their perception of international relations and in their conduct of both foreign policy and domestic affairs. This is not simply a question of giving or withholding the benefit of the doubt when it comes to complicated matters of foreign affairs and defense policies to a U.S. government charged with the security of both its own citizens and those of its allies in Europe, the Western Hemisphere, and the Pacific. Rather, the Bush Jr. administration's foreign policy constitutes ongoing criminal activity under well-recognized principles of both international law and U.S. domestic law, in particular the Nuremberg Charter, the Nuremberg Judgment, and the Nuremberg Principles. So their obliteration of Fallujah was to be expected.
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> One generation ago the peoples of the world asked themselves: Where were the "good" Germans? Well, there were some good Germans. The Lutheran theologian and pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer was the foremost exemplar of someone who led a life of principled opposition to the Nazi-terror state even unto death.
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> Today the peoples of the world are likewise asking themselves: Where are the "good" Americans? Well, there are some good Americans. Like three Catholic Nuns in Denver, they are getting arrested and going to jail for protesting against United States weapons of mass destruction (WMD) whose power for human extermination far exceeds even the wildest fantasies of Hitler and the Nazis. Or else for protesting against illegal U.S.. military interventions around the world. Just recently the Nuclear Resister estimated that since the Fall of 2002, there have been more than 9,500 anti-war related arrests in the United States alone. Many more will be coming.
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> This same right of civil resistance extends pari passu to all citizens of the world community of states. Everyone around the world has both the right and the duty under international law to resist ongoing criminal activities perpetrated by the Bush Jr. administration and its nefarious foreign accomplices such as Blair, Berlusconi, Howard, Koizumi, Kwasniewski, etc. by all non-violent means possible. If it is not so restrained, the Bush Jr. administration could very well precipitate a Third World War.
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> Despite the best efforts by the Bush Jr. Leaguers to the contrary, we American Citizens still have our First Amendment Rights: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom to Petition our Government for the Redress of these massive Grievances, Civil Resistance, etc. We are going to have to start vigorously exercising all of our First Amendment Rights right now. We must use them or else, as the saying goes, we will lose them. We must act not only for the good of the Peoples of Southwest Asia, but for our future, that of our children, that of our nation as a democratic society committed to the Rule of Law and the U.S. Constitution. The Nazis had their "homeland" too
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> Francis A. Boyle, Professor of Law, University of Illinois, is author of Foundations of World Order, Duke University Press, The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence, and Palestine, Palestinians and International Law, by Clarity Press. He can be reached at: FBOYLE at LAW.UIUC.EDU
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> Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power.
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> Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival.
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> On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
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> My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.”
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> For more on that theme, see <https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201701191049765550-how-trump-presidency-will-play-out/>.
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> On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided.
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> On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu> wrote:
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> A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community:
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> The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES!
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> Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM
> Author: digital.media
> Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump
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> By C.G. ESTABROOK
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> The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows:
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> "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia.
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