[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Prominent Iraq/Iran warmonger Eliot Cohen speaking at UIUC November 9, 2017

Wed Nov 8 23:11:56 UTC 2017

With all due respect Carl, we must not be wasting our precious time dealing with a Mole for Military Intelligence like Helbrig. That is precisely why he and other MI Moles like him Infiltrate Peace Lists. Fab.

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From: C G Estabrook [mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 5:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Prominent Iraq/Iran warmonger Eliot Cohen speaking at UIUC November 9, 2017

We should be prepared for mole-to-mole combat. (I’m surprised that Ron, AWARE’s resident Hegelian, hasn’t reminded us to traverse these buried Teutonic passages.)

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Shakespeare uses the “Old Mole” to represent the ghost of Hamlet’s father who keeps speaking from under the stage, despite Hamlet and Horatio shifting their ground, seeking a secret place to swear their oath. The ghost repeats, “Swear by his sword!” and Hamlet says, “Well said, old mole! Canst work i’ th’ earth so fast? A worthy pioner! Once more remove, good friends!” (Hamlet, 1.5).

Hegel uses the ghost of Hamlet's father, a.k.a. Old Mole, as a metaphor for Spirit in 'Philosophy of History.' Reviewing the entirety of history up to the present, he says,

“All this time was required to produce the philosophy of our day; so tardily and slowly did the World-spirit work to reach this goal. What we pass in rapid review when we recall it, stretched itself out in reality to this great length of time. For in this lengthened period, the Notion of Spirit, invested with its entire concrete development, its external subsistence, its wealth, is striving to bring spirit to perfection, to make progress itself and to develop from spirit. It goes ever on and on, because spirit is progress alone. Spirit often seems to have forgotten and lost itself, but inwardly opposed to itself, it is inwardly working ever forward (as when Hamlet says of the ghost of his father, “Well said, old mole! canst work i’ the ground so fast?”) until grown strong in itself it bursts asunder the crust of earth which divided it from the sun, its Notion, so that the earth crumbles away.” (Philosophy of History. Conclusion).

In 'The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte,' Marx continues the metaphor:

“But the revolution is thoroughgoing. It is still traveling through purgatory. It does its work methodically. By December 2, 1851, it had completed half of its preparatory work; now it is completing the other half. It first completed the parliamentary power in order to be able to overthrow it. Now that it has achieved this, it completes the executive power, reduces it to its purest expression, isolates it, sets it up against itself as the sole target, in order to concentrate all its forces of destruction against it. And when it has accomplished this second half of its preliminary work, Europe will leap from its seat and exult: Well burrowed, old mole!” (The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte, 7)

Lenin cites this passage in 'State and Revolution,' to show how Marx took the State in historical context, rather than as some historically invariant formation. Rosa Luxemburg also uses the metaphor in Old Mole. 
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—CGE

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu> wrote:
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> As I said before, based upon prior experience, Roger is a Mole for US Military Intelligence whose assigned task is to disrupt Peace Lists.
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> Fab
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> Francis A. Boyle
> Law Building
> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
> Champaign, IL 61820 USA
> 217-333-7954 (phone)
> 217-244-1478 (fax)
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> From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com [mailto:naiman.uiuc at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 3:07 PM
> To: C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>
> Cc: Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>; Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>; Peace-discuss <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Prominent Iraq/Iran warmonger Eliot Cohen speaking at UIUC November 9, 2017
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> What the hell. I'm with Carl on this. Come on. If you are on a list called "peace" in the United States, your top obligation and responsibility in the world is the contribution of the United States government to not-peace. If you can't deal with that obligation and responsibility, you should shut the hell up. 
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> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:48 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> Oh, we’re responsible for only perhaps 40,000 corpses in that war. That’s ok then.
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> > On Nov 5, 2017, at 4:50 AM, Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> > There you go - exterminate 200,000 Iraqis - US never did that and you know it.  Why spread lies - does it make you feel big?
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> > On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > And speaking of ACDIS and Kolodziej and the wars against Iraq and warmongering and NeoCons,  Kolodziej tried to blackball me off of the All University Forum held in Foelinger Auditorium  on the eve of  Bush Sr’s War against Iraq in mid-January of 1991. Meanwhile Kolodziej had flown in the NeoCon Warmonger Geoff Kemp to argue in favor of the war that would exterminate about 200,000 Iraqis. Bombs away once  again at the warmongering University of Illinois!
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> > Fab.
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