[Peace-discuss] Hate in America: Where it comes from and why it's back

[Karen Aram]

My take on “hate” in relation to “anger.”

Was the torture and murder of the young Chinese scholar any less horrific because it was not a “hate” crime? Meaning, he didn’t murder her because she is Chinese, proven by those being caucasian that he attempted to “pick up” before her.

Were the slaughters of those in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya due to “hate?” and therefore greater crimes than our killing and destroying to steal their resources?

 There are those that will criticize my example, because we shouldn’t refer to the accused as a “murderer” before he has been tried, and found guilty, that is true. Just as true is that the federal government shouldn’t have the right to implement the death penalty in a state that did away with capital punishment, because it was a “hate” crime or because it was particularly offensive.

Some people, Thai Buddhists, equate “anger” with “hate.” I think this a mistake. Because I hate specific “behaviors” doesn’t mean I hate the individual committing those behaviors.

Expressing anger in Thailand, is sinful, one is always expected to be “jai yen,” or cool heart, “mai pen rai,” means “never mind” and while this is truly an attribute when it comes to minor issues, and as a culture much more pleasant than those always angry, arguing etc. However, it becomes problematic when related to major issues.  Oppression of anger often erupts in “horrific violence” when given the “go ahead” by the state/government. Thus it becomes evident that suppression of anger is at least in Thai culture, a means of oppressing the people.

When anger becomes hatred, towards individuals that is problematic and solves nothing, anger needs to be directed at abusive systems of power, focused on solutions, not hatred.

If American and you’re not angry at the injustices being perpetrated against others throughout the world and here, then I must ask, where is your humanity?


On Nov 18, 2017, at 00:28, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

The principal use of the category of ‘hate’ is to undermine the canons of free speech. So criticism of Israel can’t be defended as free speech: it is rather ‘hate speech’.

The tactic is extended across the range of identity politics. Thus criticism of homosexuality becomes ‘homophobic’ hate speech and can be suppressed as such, etc.


On Nov 17, 2017, at 10:47 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

IMO the notion of such thing as a hate crime has always been related to the Zionist agenda, although perhaps much else. It gets back to criticisms that have evolved regarding the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center. Hating on hate has become a big business, and heavily politicized. Indeed the whole Matthew Shepard case has been strongly critiqued, among others.

On ‎Friday‎, ‎November‎ ‎17‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎08‎:‎40‎ ‎PM, Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com<mailto:kmedina67 at gmail.com>> wrote:


So, I guess I have two naive questions.

1. Does the motive of hate have to be proven? If so, how can that be proven?
2. Is rape ever treated as a hate crime by the justice system?

-karen medina

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