[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Flyer for AWARE demonstration, Saturday 12/2

[Roger Helbig]

Hope you all enjoy the future nuclear wasteland - I really liked Jimmy
Kimmel - "at least they did not elect their unstable leader" - the
North Koreans of course!

Imagine you all were anti-Hillary Clinton too - Trump is an
unmitigated disaster to the entire world and you support him.

Roger

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:12 PM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> Hear hear David Green.
>
> -Karen Medina
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Green via Peace
> Date: 11/29/17 22:54
>
> When Obama was President, many liberals wanted to blame others (Bush) for
> his policies, the hand he was dealt, etc. That was wrong, and needed to be
> counteracted, including by noting the delight that Obama took in using the
> military, drone strikes, etc.
>
> But Trump is now President, and he delights no less in the use of military
> force, although "only" Yemen stands as an egregious example. It may be
> important to counteract prevailing liberal wisdom by noting the
> institutional forces arrayed to influence Trump; but the alleged contrast
> between Trump and Obama becomes less convincing as the year moves to a
> close. It doesn't sound right anymore to see him as somehow opposed to or
> the victim of institutional forces. And it comes to seem like a double
> standard to have focused on Obama's personality as opposed to Trump's
> alleged powerlessness. It does matter that Trump is a genuinely creepy human
> being, although in his own way no more creepy than Obama.
>
> Plus, he's the President right now, and has a lot of power.
>
> DG
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 5:32:10 PM CST, Karen Aram via Peace
> <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>
> I’m sorry, Carl
>
> I don’t like it, the title alone makes AWARE look like “Trump defenders.”
> It’s one thing to say this in conversation when explaining our wars, to
> those who think the problem began with Trump, but as a title, it sucks. Most
> people in this town are Democrats and won’t bother to read it.
>
> I’m not pleased with some of that which is in the article either, because
> the focus  on the election is old news. Its time to move on. Trump is
> President and he is responsible for that which occurs on his watch.
>
> Trump bombed Syria and that is an impeachable offense, granted every other
> President before him, committed war crimes that were also impeachable
> offenses, Bush and most especially Obama, but Trump has been in power for
> almost a year now. His provocations of war with Korea, and Iran are
> extremely dangerous.
>
>
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