[Peace-discuss] Rally at U of I Thursday 6:45 opposing warmonger Dershowitz as role model.

Wed Apr 25 19:39:04 UTC 2018

Those who object to his presence rather than to what he’s saying.

What do you think of what he said to the News-Gazette?

> On Apr 25, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> Who is saying he should be deplatformed?
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> Sent on my Virgin Mobile Phone.
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> From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
> Date: Wed, Apr 25, 2018 2:09 PM
> To: Francis A Boyle;
> Cc: Peace-discuss List (peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net);
> Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] Rally at U of I Thursday 6:45 opposing warmonger Dershowitz as role model.
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> [Alan Dershowitz is reprehensible, on Israel and even on torture, as his debates with his childhood friend Noam Chomsky show - but no one can be wrong all the time, as the account in today’s News-Gazette shows. I think those who say he should be ‘de-platformed’ at UIUC are making a mistake. If you don’t believe in free speech for people you despise - and Dershowitz is despicable - you don’t believe in it at all. The following is from the C-U News-Gazette, 25 April 2018.]
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> Dershowitz ... has criticized Mueller's inquiry into possible collusion by the Trump campaign with Russians meddling in the 2016 presidential election.
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> Dershowitz says he isn't defending Trump but thinks special prosecutors are "dangerous to democratic values." He has criticized the use of criminal investigations as political weapons, including the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server.
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> "It's a problem I've had for years. I wrote a whole book about it when Bill Clinton was subject to the special-prosecutor law. I have said nothing different now. It's just that people don't like when I say it when it helps Donald Trump," he said.
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> "I think we should figure out a system to eliminate the need for a special counsel," he said. "Their goal is to get somebody or a group that has a target on its back. If you don't get them, you've failed in your job."
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> ....Dershowitz said he's given Trump four pieces of advice: "Don't fire, don't pardon, don't tweet, and don't testify."
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> [All four are wrong: [1] Mueller’s ‘probe’ is an attempt to reassert the neocon anti-Russian policy of the Obama-Clinton administration, which Trump properly attacked in the campaign; Mueller should be fired. [2] Pardons should extend to the other victims of the neocon-neolib Bush-Obama administrations, such as Leonard Peltier; if some reprobates go free, so be it: none of the torturers of the Bush-Obama era have been imprisoned.  [3] Trump’s tweets produce the important popular political discussions that Obama’s mendacities occluded. [4] Trump surely should testify, as he apparently wants to; the corporate media analysis of his character takes the place of an account of his actions.]
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> Dershowitz has argued that there is no federal statute against "collusion" and doesn't believe it's a crime, though other lawyers say it would violate campaign-finance laws.
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> "At the moment, I haven't seen any evidence of any criminal activity or an impeachable offense. That doesn't mean I'm going to vote for him," said Dershowitz, who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016...
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> Dershowitz said the bigger danger for Trump lies in the investigation by the U.S. attorney's office in New York focusing on his business dealings and relationships with women before he became president.
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> "He doesn't have any constitutional defense for what he did before he became president," Dershowitz said.
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> He criticized investigators for the way they handled the raid of Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen — subpoenaing email records without any opportunity for challenge by Cohen, and trying to create an FBI "taint team" to remove any records covered by attorney-client privilege before turning them over to investigators.
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> "That doesn't protect the privilege," he said. "A judge or judicial officer should be doing the review."
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> U.S. District Court Judge Kimba Wood — one of Dershowitz's former students — signaled that she may appoint an outside attorney for that review but has yet to make a final decision.
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> "I think they ought to reserve searching lawyers' offices to the most serious crimes, not for technical violations of the law," Dershowitz said. "The reason they raided his office was, one, to get him to flip against President Trump, if he has anything to flip about; and, second, to see if they could find material on President Trump. He's a means toward an end."
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> ...He disagrees with the president on many fronts — he's against the travel ban, the death penalty and some of the Trump's racially charged language, including a recent reference to immigrant "breeding," reminiscent of Nazi propaganda about Jews during the Holocaust. Those statements "have the effect of at least encouraging racist expression in this country. I think he ought to be more careful about the language he uses as president," Dershowitz said...
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> Dershowitz, a strong supporter of Israel, has clashed with administrators at the University of California Berkeley and elsewhere over restrictions on outside speakers. He said universities are no longer teaching students the value of free speech.
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> "I'm a liberal Democrat, but I have views somewhat different from the radical left. And the radical left is determined to try to shut me down," he said. "I'm a much worse enemy to the radical left than the right-wing conservatives. They can laugh at them. They're extreme. I present an alternative liberal model that will attract lots of students away from the radicals."
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> —CGE
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> > On Apr 25, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> > Hey! Hey!
> > Dershowitz Say!
> > How many kids!
> > Did you kill today!
> >  
> > Fab
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> > Francis A. Boyle
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> > From: Peace-discuss <peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net> On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 9:28 AM
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> > Subject: [Peace-discuss] Rally at U of I Thursday 6:45 opposing warmonger Dershowitz as role model.
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> > Please join us Thursday evening 6:45pm at the Foelinger Bldg. to speak against Professor Alan Dershowitz, and the U of I, continuing to support warmongers as role models for students.
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> > 
> > The Gies College of Business at UIUC has invited retired Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz to speak on April 26th. Dershowitz supports gunning down unarmed protestors in Gaza, opposes BDS, given business interests in Israel, and amongst other things, called for the military strike on Syria. 
> > Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians.
> > See: counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan
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