[Peace-discuss] FW: [Peace] Carl's posting related to alignment of "war and abortion"

[Estabrook, Carl G]

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From: Estabrook, Carl G
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:05 PM
To: bjornsona at ameritech.net; Karen Aram via Peace
Subject: RE: [Peace] Carl's posting related to alignment of "war and abortion"

I am not saying "that the only way Americans MIGHT join together right now while we still have a chance is if both sides gave a little on their 'I will NEVER budge' issues. A COMPROMISE, not full scale giving in, is what we need."

I am saying that we need to examine the implications of opposition to America's wars. It's a contradiction to be appalled (as we should be) at our responsibility for ending the lives of children in a bus in Yemen and ignoring our responsibility for the ending of lives of children in wombs in America.

--CGE

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From: Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] on behalf of bjornsona--- via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 11:26 AM
To: Karen Aram via Peace
Subject: Re: [Peace] Carl's posting related to alignment of "war and abortion"

Carl is  correct in a strategic sense that the only way Americans MIGHT  join together right now while we still have a chance is if both sides gave a little on their "I will NEVER budge"  issues. A COMPROMISE, not full scale giving in, is what we need. I have a friend who thinks this one issue has been a major cause of many of our woes because so many potential activists put blinders on to the rest of the atrocities happening in the world. Joining up is the only way we will get anywhere. I appreciate ANSWER, Karen.

 If prayer and cohesion do not work, unfortunately it looks like bigger wars, starvation, earthquakes might do it. See USGS for increasing size and depth of earthquakes  in Ring of Fire - moving to 6.5s (yet not corresponding release of pressure along U. S. Pacific coast). See web site SOTT predicting large crop yield losses across the globe from this year and difficult growth next year from volcanic ash covering sun and unpredictable weather. Hate to be gloomy..being realistic while MSM distracts.

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From: Karen Aram via Peace
Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2018 9:09 AM
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Subject:[Peace] Carl's posting related to alignment of "war and abortion"


Carl’s letter to the NG below is fine, it’s his opinion and he has a right to express his opinion , placing it on FB along with the Peace Discuss List, is also his right. However, when he places it on the AWARE FB page, where he represents the AWARE group, I must object. I now see why the group has failed to recruit new members, and has lost many from previous years, given its affiliation with anti-abortion issues, not just war, that along with the election of Obama, on the assumption he was a peace candidate.

Carl is right on target, when his focus is on anti-war, which is why I have always supported him and AWARE, but now he has taken AWARE to the “right,” along with his apologist attitude towards Trump, thus I recommend the ANSWER Coalition with their local group now in Champaign, for those interested in supporting the anti-war movement.

Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.N.S.W.E.R.


Please also see Carl’s letter on the AWARE FB page below:


"Anti-war and anti-abortion efforts belong together. The contemporary anti-war movement grows out of the appalling fact that the US government has killed more than 20 million people in almost 40 nations since World War II - and has done so to maintain the economic control of the world that the US inherited as the only largely undamaged major country after that war.

Abortion is the leading cause of death in the US today. An abortion obviously ends a human life; it ought to be opposed by all of us who say that our political views are that we’re “against anything that kills people or destroys the planet we live on."

But most of my friends who’ve had an abortion or seriously considered it have done so for economic reasons. Most of them privileged people, they have been unable to countenance the burdens, financial and personal, that would come with a(nother) child. That’s clearly even more the case for those who lack their privileges.

Those of us opposed to the destruction of human life - at home or abroad, before or after birth - must also be opposed to the circumstances that lead people to end unborn human lives. Medicare for all, child supports, free education, and a universal basic income must be insisted upon by those of us who are opposed to abortion and war.”
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