[Peace-discuss] [Peace] My plea, related to the Yellow Vest movement in France

[C. G. Estabrook]

An interim suggestion: <https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/12/07/what-if-we-just-buy-off-big-fossil-fuel-a-novel-plan-to-mitigate-the-climate-calamity/>.


> On Dec 10, 2018, at 7:55 AM, Mildred O'brien <moboct1 at aim.com> wrote:
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> Carl:  I second your suggestion, and would add that I think there should be a universal law in this country which prevents military-industry-complex contractors (if/when necessary) profiting from government contracts, effective immediately--before capitalism (as we know it) is abolished.  Imagine such a radical idea, and how $750 B could be used here and now!  
> 
> Midge
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> To: Ron Szoke <r-szoke at illinois.edu>
> Cc: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>; Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2018 8:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My plea, related to the Yellow Vest movement in France
> 
> Why not nationalize major industries and run them in the public interest rather than in the interest of the stockholders’ profits? The stockholders can be paid in long term government bonds - so long as a progressive wealth tax is instituted.
> 
> The Obama administration had a chance to do that with the US automotive industry - but instead bailed out the stockholders and restored their profits and control. (I assume you condemned that at the time, Ron?)
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> 
> > On Dec 9, 2018, at 7:51 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Recently, with advancing age, I have become softer on half-measures that seem to offer some actual real-world possibility of "progress,” as I would view it.  One is a program of government (public) ownership of a controlling percentage of stock of major corporations in basic industries.  
> > 
> > That is not a panacea, of course, & I expect to receive within minutes a torrent of denunciation along the lines of “That’s stupid & crazy!  It won’t work!  It can’t be done!  It would have all kinds of unanticipated horrible consequences!”  etc., etc.  And those would be the most rational ones amid the obscene insults & accusations.
> > 
> > I once heard  that the French government owns (or owned) a sizable chunk of Renault.  Have no idea whether this is true, & whether it exempted the Renault workers from the uprisings of 1968 & 2018.  Can someone enlighten me/us on this?  
> > 
> > Or shall we stick with our usual “Who do we traduce & BLAME?” & the standard sneer-jeer-smear routine?
> > 
> > ~~ Ron
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