[Peace-discuss] FW: WAND AGAINST NUCLEAR POWER!

Thu Feb 8 15:14:43 UTC 2018

Karen, re-read what I said and then decide that you made a mistake.  I have
never denied that I served in the US Air Force.  That does not make me
"Military Intelligence".  I am retired.  I stopped serving in the active AF
Reserve in 1994.  I began receiving retired pay when I turned age 60 in
2007.  I have had no active connection with the Air Force other than
receiving a retired pay check since 1994.  Those are the facts.

Roger

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:52 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Roger,
>
> You have, in the past, admitted to having been in the military.
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2018, at 05:28, Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> Bullshit - so say a lot of scientists - I am not in the military - I never
> served in Intelligence - I do my own research - I even corresponded with Dr
> Caldicott and I found her reply not creditable.  I know a number of other
> people who also have found her to be a dishonest information broker.  I am
> probably the only one, though, who wrote to the licensing authority in
> Australia to request that her medical license be revoked since she
> knowingly disseminates false information and that is contrary to the
> Hippocratic Oath.
>
> Roger
>
> Is anyone on this list an attorney who can inform FAB that I am tired of
> his miscontruing who I am and that knowingly lying about someone with the
> intention of damaging their reputation is legally wrong.
>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:11 AM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> *So says “military intelligence.” fab*
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>> *Francis A. Boyle*
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>> *From:* Roger Helbig [mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 12:02 AM
>> *To:* Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>; Peace-discuss <
>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] FW: WAND AGAINST NUCLEAR POWER!
>>
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>>
>> Caldicott may have a great name in the anti-nuclear activist community,
>> but she often lies about the basic science and you have bought into that!
>>  Nuclear power has not  poisoned, polluted, irradiated or murdered any
>> children.  The anti-nuclear weapons movement should divorce itself from the
>> anti-nuclear power movement.  The only real thing that they have in common
>> is the word "nuclear" and then the lies begin because of that vague
>> similarity.
>>
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>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>> *It took me under  a one minute google search to come up with this WAND
>> Statement against nuclear power. So of course the Champaign County Dems are
>> trying to pull a fast one on us on behalf of the nuclear power industry
>> exploiting Helen Caldicott’s Good Name and Reputation and Brainchild. He
>> who paid the Dems Piper called this despicable tune-- Poisoning and
>> polluting and irradiating and murdering our children. That’s the Dems for
>> you. Fab.*
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>> *Francis A. Boyle*
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>> *From:* Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] *On
>> Behalf Of *Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 07, 2018 6:57 PM
>> *To:* Peace-discuss List (peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net) <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> *Subject:* [Peace-discuss] WAND AGAINST NUCLEAR POWER!
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>>
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>> *Here is a very strong Statement against Nuclear Power by WAND**,
>> founded by my Friend Helen Caldicott, who has devoted her entire career
>> working against the dangers of nuclear radiation and nuclear power. The
>> Champaign County Dems can read this as well as we can. Nevertheless on
>> Saturday they are bringing in a Pimp for the Nuclear Power Industry and
>> exploiting the good name of Helen and WAND  in order to poison and pollute
>> and irradiate and murder our children. How dare the Dems do this! He who
>> paid the Dem Piper called this tune! Fab.*
>>
>> *WAND’s thoughts on the disaster in Japan*
>>
>> *Posted by Admin
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>> *WAND is looking at the disaster in Japan with both heartbreak and
>>  nerve-wracking worry. Days after the devastating earthquake and tsunami,
>> the crises are continuing to mount. Of particular concern are the nuclear
>> reactor explosions, fires and radioactive releases, all coming on top of
>> earthquake aftershocks. Our hearts go out to the Japanese people in their
>> desperate need for finding safe shelter and food so they can begin to ease
>> the trauma and process grief. WAND passionately supports efforts to
>> alleviate suffering and diminish evolving threats.*
>>
>> *Here are some lessons we in the United States must learn from the
>> unfolding crisis in Japan:*
>>
>> *1)      Nuclear power is fraught with risk. There is a limit to what can
>> be done to predict, mitigate and control that risk. Particularly at a time
>> when we are cutting federal spending, the U.S. government should stop
>> subsidizing this inherently dangerous energy source with federal loan
>> guarantees and other subsidies. The United States should instead invest in
>> less risky energy solutions. As Georgia WAND has stated: “We ask all those
>> who support nuclear power expansion and the federal loans needed to prop it
>> up - whether here or in other parts of the world - to rethink their
>> position and consider how nuclear power threatens the safety and health of
>> those who live directly downwind and downstream of nuclear power plants. By
>> combining intelligence with imagination we can face "unthinkable" scenarios
>> and turn towards much less risky energy solutions.“ *
>>
>> *We urge you to take action:  Ask the President to stop subsidies for
>> U.S. nuclear power. Send a short message here.
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>> *For more information see our link
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>> of Georgia WAND's response and “Japan's nuke threat 'a wake-up call' for
>> the U.S." from USA Today.
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>> *2)    The United States should also rethink nuclear weapons policy. The
>> specter of radiation exposure in Japan is so frightening because we know
>> the lethality of not just nuclear reactor accidents, but also the
>> devastation of nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Even after
>> the recently passed New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START), the
>> United States plans to maintain thousands of nuclear weapons many times
>> more destructive than the bombs dropped in Japan. More than enough to
>> destroy the world and make the rubble bounce. Over the next 10 years, we
>> plan to spend about $200 Billion on maintaining these nuclear weapons and
>> their delivery systems.*
>>
>> *For more information see "How much can we justify spending on nuclear
>> weapons " in the Washington Post.
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>> *3)    International cooperation to reduce nuclear dangersis crucial and
>> should be strengthened. The United States should ratify the Comprehensive
>> Test Ban Treaty (CTBT).  An extensive monitoring and detection system is
>> being built up as part of the CTBT Organization to support verification
>> efforts of this treaty that prohibits all nuclear weapons test explosions.
>> This monitoring system was important in early detection and warning of the
>> earthquakes and tsunami and it is continuing to play a role in tracking
>> radionuclides in the unfolding nuclear reactor crisis.  The United States
>> should participate in funding to expand this international monitoring
>> system.   It is also essential that the United States show effective
>> leadership with prompt CTBT ratification.  We must be vigilant in
>> preventing environmental degradation and radiation exposure from all
>> sources – including from nuclear test explosions. Moreover the CTBT is
>> crucial to prevent the spread of new and more sophisticated nuclear
>> weapons.**<image001.jpg>*
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>> *For more information see the "Nuclear Test Gauges Beat CNN, Aid
>> Radiation Watch in Japan" from Bloomberg.com
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>> the Project for the CTBT.
>> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__www.projectforthectbt.org_%26d%3DDwMFAg%26c%3DOCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag%26r%3DyYwZJ47Nv_cWJpXjzmEUbBDKAUoXgMrmOckznRGW00w%26m%3DzBpYtYyycaObAxk2xlePehkIjUMHSoZgznXiQczKLYE%26s%3D1Ec-GoT3VdXo1Giu_tfVoPJlb7Tlb9K797gwXy-6j4c%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a881f5d7a084394d98008d56ef7f839%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636536933654843404&sdata=y%2F9GoQXpfUDcS8jHafMyTvF%2BA%2FCC7L7xnXVzEpNdkWk%3D&reserved=0>*
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>> * Tagged as: CTBT
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>> Japan disaster
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>> nuclear weapons
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