[Peace-discuss] FW: WAND AGAINST NUCLEAR POWER!

[Boyle, Francis A]

Every Peace List has at least one MOLE who is there to disrupt it. Fab.

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From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:21 AM
To: Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
Cc: Peace-discuss <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] FW: WAND AGAINST NUCLEAR POWER!

Roger

I did not make a mistake, you did in fact admit to being in the military previously, the US Air Force does qualify as military. Your recent statement this morning, was to deny being in the military.

That aside, your attempts to vilify even going so far as taking action against those concerned with war, or nuclear proliferation certainly raises “red flags” of concern.

And, why we have you on this “Peace Discuss List” is beyond me, as you certainly don’t support “peace” when all you do is support the USG actions and military build up.

End of conversation on my part. Waste of time.


On Feb 8, 2018, at 07:14, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com<mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com>> wrote:

Karen, re-read what I said and then decide that you made a mistake.  I have never denied that I served in the US Air Force.  That does not make me "Military Intelligence".  I am retired.  I stopped serving in the active AF Reserve in 1994.  I began receiving retired pay when I turned age 60 in 2007.  I have had no active connection with the Air Force other than receiving a retired pay check since 1994.  Those are the facts.

Roger

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:52 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Roger,

You have, in the past, admitted to having been in the military.


On Feb 8, 2018, at 05:28, Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Bullshit - so say a lot of scientists - I am not in the military - I never served in Intelligence - I do my own research - I even corresponded with Dr Caldicott and I found her reply not creditable.  I know a number of other people who also have found her to be a dishonest information broker.  I am probably the only one, though, who wrote to the licensing authority in Australia to request that her medical license be revoked since she knowingly disseminates false information and that is contrary to the Hippocratic Oath.

Roger

Is anyone on this list an attorney who can inform FAB that I am tired of his miscontruing who I am and that knowingly lying about someone with the intention of damaging their reputation is legally wrong.

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:11 AM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>> wrote:
So says “military intelligence.” fab

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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] FW: WAND AGAINST NUCLEAR POWER!

Caldicott may have a great name in the anti-nuclear activist community, but she often lies about the basic science and you have bought into that!   Nuclear power has not  poisoned, polluted, irradiated or murdered any children.  The anti-nuclear weapons movement should divorce itself from the anti-nuclear power movement.  The only real thing that they have in common is the word "nuclear" and then the lies begin because of that vague similarity.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
It took me under  a one minute google search to come up with this WAND Statement against nuclear power. So of course the Champaign County Dems are trying to pull a fast one on us on behalf of the nuclear power industry exploiting Helen Caldicott’s Good Name and Reputation and Brainchild. He who paid the Dems Piper called this despicable tune-- Poisoning and polluting and irradiating and murdering our children. That’s the Dems for you. Fab.

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Subject: [Peace-discuss] WAND AGAINST NUCLEAR POWER!

Here is a very strong Statement against Nuclear Power by WAND, founded by my Friend Helen Caldicott, who has devoted her entire career working against the dangers of nuclear radiation and nuclear power. The Champaign County Dems can read this as well as we can. Nevertheless on Saturday they are bringing in a Pimp for the Nuclear Power Industry and exploiting the good name of Helen and WAND  in order to poison and pollute and irradiate and murder our children. How dare the Dems do this! He who paid the Dem Piper called this tune! Fab.
WAND’s thoughts on the disaster in Japan
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WAND is looking at the disaster in Japan with both heartbreak and  nerve-wracking worry. Days after the devastating earthquake and tsunami, the crises are continuing to mount. Of particular concern are the nuclear reactor explosions, fires and radioactive releases, all coming on top of earthquake aftershocks. Our hearts go out to the Japanese people in their desperate need for finding safe shelter and food so they can begin to ease the trauma and process grief. WAND passionately supports efforts to alleviate suffering and diminish evolving threats.
Here are some lessons we in the United States must learn from the unfolding crisis in Japan:
1)      Nuclear power is fraught with risk. There is a limit to what can be done to predict, mitigate and control that risk. Particularly at a time when we are cutting federal spending, the U.S. government should stop subsidizing this inherently dangerous energy source with federal loan guarantees and other subsidies. The United States should instead invest in less risky energy solutions. As Georgia WAND has stated: “We ask all those who support nuclear power expansion and the federal loans needed to prop it up - whether here or in other parts of the world - to rethink their position and consider how nuclear power threatens the safety and health of those who live directly downwind and downstream of nuclear power plants. By combining intelligence with imagination we can face "unthinkable" scenarios and turn towards much less risky energy solutions.“
We urge you to take action:  Ask the President to stop subsidies for U.S. nuclear power. Send a short message here. <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__www.whitehouse.gov_contact%26d%3DDwMFAg%26c%3DOCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag%26r%3DyYwZJ47Nv_cWJpXjzmEUbBDKAUoXgMrmOckznRGW00w%26m%3DzBpYtYyycaObAxk2xlePehkIjUMHSoZgznXiQczKLYE%26s%3D83BAqp-eWDvnKyWee3iUp8g8YigFNfFP-w1W568XaUw%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a881f5d7a084394d98008d56ef7f839%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636536933654843404&sdata=a1lFNlJZvBL%2BLcGZqor6TlHt%2BU4VjKgC9%2B%2BF7viK%2F7I%3D&reserved=0>
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2)    The United States should also rethink nuclear weapons policy. The specter of radiation exposure in Japan is so frightening because we know the lethality of not just nuclear reactor accidents, but also the devastation of nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Even after the recently passed New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START), the United States plans to maintain thousands of nuclear weapons many times more destructive than the bombs dropped in Japan. More than enough to destroy the world and make the rubble bounce. Over the next 10 years, we plan to spend about $200 Billion on maintaining these nuclear weapons and their delivery systems.
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3)    International cooperation to reduce nuclear dangersis crucial and should be strengthened. The United States should ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT).  An extensive monitoring and detection system is being built up as part of the CTBT Organization to support verification efforts of this treaty that prohibits all nuclear weapons test explosions.  This monitoring system was important in early detection and warning of the earthquakes and tsunami and it is continuing to play a role in tracking radionuclides in the unfolding nuclear reactor crisis.  The United States should participate in funding to expand this international monitoring system.   It is also essential that the United States show effective leadership with prompt CTBT ratification.  We must be vigilant in preventing environmental degradation and radiation exposure from all sources – including from nuclear test explosions. Moreover the CTBT is crucial to prevent the spread of new and more sophisticated nuclear weapons.<image001.jpg><https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__www.wand.org_wp-2Dcontent_uploads_2011_03_031411tsunamigeo-5F512x288.jpg%26d%3DDwMFAg%26c%3DOCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag%26r%3DyYwZJ47Nv_cWJpXjzmEUbBDKAUoXgMrmOckznRGW00w%26m%3DzBpYtYyycaObAxk2xlePehkIjUMHSoZgznXiQczKLYE%26s%3DNzOu_ecZVWsD7supadeoymKhMaqbAWZGWl-JjH6ZrFE%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a881f5d7a084394d98008d56ef7f839%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636536933654843404&sdata=p%2B%2FAnZsL%2BjbV33KorPF%2F%2BIIwSMQ1zatuEN72kfvi%2Ff0%3D&reserved=0>
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