[Peace-discuss] Lee Camp/Nukes Japan

Tue Jan 16 06:19:11 UTC 2018

The Perpetual War Machine is keeping us (and itself) busy. From the Middle East to the Pacific: surely it is no coincidence that on Jan. 8, 2018, President Trump told Congress he is willing to Ok the sale of $133 million in anti-ICBMs to Japan, followed by a mistaken drill for incoming ICBMs in Hawaii? 
Not only will the initial sale of missiles cost $133 million (sold by Lockheed Martin, Raytheon & BAE Systems), the land platforms will be $ 2 billion. A chunk of change worth inconveniencing a few tourists in Hawaii for. In addition, this sale violates the 30-year-old International Nuclear Treaty, as the Russians have said, since the platforms can be loaded with any type of missile, nuclear or non. Continuing to put anti-ICBM platforms around North Korea (South Korea has them, Japan will) means the missiles are also aimed at China, certainly giving both North Korea and China the impression that the U. S. Is willing to use a preemptive strike.
Found most of this in an article from CNN. Have tried to copy url. No t successful yet. Sending it for what it's worth.
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------ Original message------From: Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discussDate: Mon, Jan 15, 2018 9:04 AMTo: Karen Aram;Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net;Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] Lee Camp interviews Diane Perlman, on how to get rid of nuclear weapons
Karen & David-- 

You both (and of course other members & friends of AWARE) are welcome to come talk about Iran & US fp on AWARE ON THE AIR at noon tomorrow.

I’ll be discussing the remarkable mess of the Mueller investigation & war provocations vs. Russia.

The program will finish up with part of the TRNN interview with Finkelstein, on his new book on Gaza.

As always, I want to keep the program’s focus on US war-making (which Russiagate is finally about).

—CGE

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 7:57 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss  wrote:
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> David
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> Agreed, which is one of the reasons I have deluged the Peace Discuss List with articles promoting varying perspectives of the protests in Iran.
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> We are like spectators at a sporting event, we have our favorite teams but we have no influence on the outcome of the game other than to ensure fairness and no interference on the part of “money interests.” “Money interests" or those we have placed in power through either lack of interest or inability to change our system based on profit. Which is why “opposing any and all U.S. intervention no matter what “ as you say, should always be our main focus.
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>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 02:55, David Johnson  wrote:
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>> Good article about the Iranian protests.
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>> Based on what the U.S. State Dept. / CIA et al have done over the decades in overthrowing governments it didn’t like by means of economic sabotage and astro turf ( fake ) protest groups that were funded and trained and staffed with CIA operatives and hired criminals, culminating in the so called “ color revolutions “ of recent years, we need to be suspicious when things like that which is occurring in Iran happen.
>> However, on the other hand we shouldn’t be dismissive of all protest actions in a particular country that the U.S. government hates as phony and instigated.
>> The Iranian protests are legitimate and I support the Iranian Working class in their struggles against economic austerity as well as their desires to have a more democratic government.
>> That does NOT mean that I support ANY interference in the internal affairs of any country by the U.S. government and it’s bought and paid for proxies.
>> Sometimes it is difficult to determine what is legitimate or not but when it is the case that protests are “ home grown “ and legitimate, I think that anti-war / anti-imperialist activists can “ walk and chew gum at the same time “, by supporting the goals of Working people in a country while at the same time opposing any and all U.S. intervention no matter what.
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>> David J.
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>> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss
>> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 8:44 PM
>> To: Peace-discuss List
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Lee Camp interviews Diane Perlman, on how to get rid of nuclear weapons
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>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 09:57, Lee Camp  wrote:
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>>> Hey Karen-
>>> 
>>>    I have a new episode of Redacted: VIP with Diane Perlman, a member of the group ICAN, which just won the Nobel Peace Prize for their work to get rid of nuclear weapons. Click here to watch. 
>>>    I also have a new article by a member of the Redacted team about what you aren't being told about the protests in Iran. And there's A LOT you aren't being told. Click here to read. 
>>>    And I have live shows coming up in Salt Lake City, Portland, Pittsburgh, Houston, Austin & more. Vote for your city and get details here. 
>>> 
>>> Keep Fighting,
>>> Lee
>>> 
>>>  
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