[Peace-discuss] [Peace] "...thinking makes it so"

[ewj at pigs.ag]

it smells to me like the Southern Poverty Law Center has something to do with it.

The SPLC is a hater of freedom.and free speech.

>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>  To: C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>
>  Cc: peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>, Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>  Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace]  "...thinking makes it so"
>  Sent: Jul 04 '18 12:07
>  
>  I'm not sure of the precise origin of the notion of "hate crimes" in
>  the law in our own country, if there is such an origin; but my
>  sense--perhaps more directly applicable to European and Canadian laws
>  that directly monitor speech--has long been that what Norman
>  Finkelstein has called the "Holocaust Industry" contributed to the
>  development of such a notion, by equating the actuality of the
>  Holocaust, anti-semitic beliefs, and criticism of Israel's very real
>  crimes.
>  
>  DG
>  
>  On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 9:47 PM C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>  
>  > It might mean
>  > (a) opinion constitutes moral worth - "it’s good/evil if you think
>  > it is”; or
>  > (b) opinion misinterprets moral worth - "it’s good, but you
>  > mistakenly think it evil.”
>  >
>  > HAMLET, 2.2=================================================
>  >
>  > • Hamlet. ... What news ?
>  >
>  > • Rosencrantz. None, my lord, but that the world's grown honest.
>  > • Hamlet. Then is doomsday near! But your news is not true. Let
>  > me
>  > question more in particular. What have you, my good friends,
>  > deserved at the hands of Fortune that she sends you to prison
>  > hither?
>  >
>  > • Guildenstern. Prison, my lord?
>  >
>  > • Hamlet. Denmark's a prison.
>  >
>  > • Rosencrantz. Then is the world one.
>  >
>  > • Hamlet. A goodly one; in which there are many confines, wards,
>  > and
>  > dungeons, Denmark being one o' th' worst.
>  >
>  > • Rosencrantz. We think not so, my lord.
>  >
>  > • Hamlet. Why, then 'tis none to you; for there is nothing either
>  > good
>  > or bad but thinking makes it so. To me it is a prison.
>  >
>  > • Rosencrantz. Why, then your ambition makes it one. 'Tis too
>  > narrow for your
>  > mind.
>  >
>  > • Hamlet. O God, I could be bounded in a nutshell and count
>  > myself a
>  > king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams.
>  >
>  > • Guildenstern. Which dreams indeed are ambition; for the very
>  > substance of
>  > the ambitious is merely the shadow of a dream.
>  >
>  > • Hamlet. A dream itself is but a shadow.
>  >
>  > • Rosencrantz. Truly, and I hold ambition of so airy and light a
>  > quality that
>  > it is but a shadow's shadow.
>  >
>  > • Hamlet. Then are our beggars bodies, and our monarchs and
>  > outstretch'd
>  > heroes the beggars' shadows. Shall we to th' court? for, by my
>  > fay, I cannot reason.
>  > =========================================================
>  >
>  > On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:08 PM, David Green via Peace
>  > <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>  >
>  > How is the line from Hamlet misunderstood?
>  >
>  > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:57 PM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
>  > <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>  > One of the most misunderstood lines in Shakespeare is Hamlet’s
>  > “...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it
>  > so.”
>  >
>  > Here a FOA (Friend of AWARE) brilliantly applies it to current US
>  > politics (h/t K. Aram):
>  >
>  > "Today I had two discussions, one with people advocating hate crime
>  > laws, and another with people defending Antifa, and it occurred to
>  > me that they were pretty much the same people.
>  >
>  > "Hate crime laws are actually thought crime laws, in that they take
>  > what is already a crime, and add years to the sentence if the perp
>  > was thinking bad thoughts when they committed the crime.
>  >
>  > "Antifas are people who commit crimes, and expect to go unpunished
>  > at all, because they were thinking good thoughts when they committed
>  > the crime.
>  >
>  > "This is magical thinking, the idea that thoughts are more
>  > important than reality. This is very American, since we have had
>  > multiple Think Yourself Rich fads, from Napoleon Hill to Oprah. And
>  > we are earnestly told that having a president who 'believes' in
>  > climate change is more important than actual policy changes. And, of
>  > course, the latest fad in which you can think yourself right into
>  > the opposite sex. (And not in the old 'think yourself irresistible'
>  > way.)
>  >
>  > "I think I'll just be over here, in the corner, visualizing
>  > peace.” --Paula Densnow
>  >
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