[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Those evil Russians

[Estabrook, Carl G]

There was an anti-Russia - even pro-war - demonstration on the floor of the House tonight: Democrats chanting, "USA! USA!"

The Republicans didn't join in.


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You'd raised the question a few months ago, Which party would be least likely to push for war?

My broad answer: I think we're best off at times when the political system is deadlocked.   Remember 2013, when the Obama admin. was all set to attack Syria directly, and backed off when they realized that Congress wouldn't go for it - especially the Republicans who would oppose anything O. supported.

So by that logic, we don't want a House, Senate, and Pres of all the same party.   We're stuck with this Pres for at least a couple more years.

On 07/19/2018 06:39 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote:
This raises the question, which party given control of Congress in the fall elections will be more progressive?

For generations US liberals have answered immediately, “The Democrats!," In spite of wars and accelerating inequality under Democratic administrations. (No president has been at war throughout two terms - until Obama.)

But given the Russia-gate campaign, and the excoriation of President Trump’s peace talks with North Korea and Russia, it seems clear that Democrats' commitment to the ‘war party” disqualifies them from control of the Congress.

Some people (often outside the US political scene) saw this clearly from early on. The Australian journalist and filmmaker John Pilger wrote before the 2016 election, "The CIA has demanded Trump not be elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he not be elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he not be elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Russian president Putin, then with China’s president Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire…”

The war-mongering of the Democrats may require our voting for feckless Republicans, as in this Congressional district (IL-13). That seems to be - deplorably enough - the only anti-war position. —CGE


On Jul 17, 2018, at 10:50 AM, David Johnson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Very well said Karen.

I can only add to your list – The Russians aren’t preventing the American people from having ; universal PUBLIC healthcare, free post high school education, $ 15 minimum wage, clean renewable energy, public control of our water systems and utilities as well as secure retirement pensions. The ones preventing all of the above are the Democrats and the Republicans as you so accurately said.

David J.

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Vince Emanuele:

The Russians didn't gut, attack and destroy unions in the U.S. The Russians aren't responsible for NAFTA, TPP, GATT, outsourcing, corporate welfare, etc. The Russians didn't deregulate the financial industry, allowing Wall Street to destroy our economy and create unprecedented wealth/income inequality. The Russians aren't killing young black kids in the streets. The Russians didn't militarize the police. The Russians didn't create the War on Drugs. The Russians didn't create the School-to-Prison pipeline. The Russians aren't responsible for slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, or the Prison Industrial Complex. The Russians didn't invade Iraq and Afghanistan, spending $3.6 trillion. The Russians didn't poison kids in Flint or East Chicago. The Russians didn't divest in our nation's infrastructure.
The Russians didn't nominate Hillary Clinton, the second most loathed politician in modern history. The Russians didn't subsidize the U.S. fossil fuel industry, allowing the most destructive industries on the planet to kill the living world with no consequences. The Russians didn't destroy the public school system in the U.S., allowing charter schools to privatize public goods. The Russians didn't create our homeless population or shut down our mental health facilities. The Russians didn't enact the Patriot Act, stripping our civil liberties and creating institutions like ICE. The Russians didn't create our immigration crisis, nor are they responsible for putting kids in cages throughout the U.S.
The Russians didn't clear cut old growth forests in the Pacific Northwest, nor did they dam our rivers and kill the salmon. The Russians didn't strip American women of their reproductive rights, or allow the NRA to control our legislative bodies. The Russians didn't allow media corporations to consolidate into five companies that control everything we see, read, or hear. The Russians didn't overthrow democratically elected governments throughout the Western Hemisphere. The Russians didn't allow the pharmaceutical industry to create a nation of addicts. And the Russians aren't allowing U.S. veterans to die by the thousands waiting for treatment.
You must be thinking of the Democrats and Republicans....
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