[Peace-discuss] [nppryan] FW: Teaching Against the Death Penalty

Boyle, Francis A fboyle at illinois.edu
Sun Jun 10 14:25:02 UTC 2018


Why I even had a Membership in the Harvard Faculty Club where I used to eat lunch and dinner in between teaching Harvard Undergraduates like Carl. They still had horse steaks on the menu going back to meat rationing during World War II. Some of the Harvard Faculty had developed a taste for horse meat, so they kept it on the menu. Used to get the horse steaks from horses that had been “retired” from racing at Suffolk Downs. So there was not much fat on the horse steaks. Pretty  Lean cuts of meat I was told. I never tried horse steaks myself. Hi Yo Silver,  away!—at the Harvard Faculty Club. fab

Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
Champaign IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone)
217-244-1478 (fax)
(personal comments only)

From: Roger Helbig [mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 9:06 AM
To: Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
Cc: C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>; Peace-discuss List (peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net) <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [nppryan] FW: Teaching Against the Death Penalty

so when did you begin to teach them to use liars as witnesses - or are you one of those who says, do as I say and not as I do?

Roger

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 6:41 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, I was the first person ever to teach International Human Rights Law to Harvard Undergraduates--that was during the 1977-1978 Academic Year. I don't need to be lectured by you Harvard undergraduate. Fab.

Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
Champaign IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone)
217-244-1478 (fax)
(personal comments only)


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From: C G Estabrook [mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com<mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com>]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 7:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [nppryan] FW: Teaching Against the Death Penalty

Francis—

I admire the principles on which you act in favor of the right to life of even reprobates like Gacy.

I suggest that if we are consistent and 'tell truth' about the murderous devil-law that ends human lives, we will be ashamed of ending so many other human lives.

Regards, Carl


> On Jun 9, 2018, at 7:10 PM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>
> Carl: You really are a Sick Twit! How many human beings  have you represented pro bono publico on death row? I can think of at least 4 in this country alone: John Wayne Gacey tortured to death by Governor Jim Edgar.  African American Amos King tortured to death by Jebbie Bush in Florida. African American Johnny Robinson tortured to death by Jebbie Bush in Florida. African American Brian Baldwin fried to death by Alabama. RIPs.
> Francis A. Boyle
> Professor of Law
>
> Francis A. Boyle
> Law Building
> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
> Champaign IL 61820 USA
> 217-333-7954 (phone)
> 217-244-1478 (fax)
> (personal comments only)
>
> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net>]
> On Behalf Of C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 6:53 PM
> To: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List (peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>)
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [nppryan] FW: Teaching Against the Death
> Penalty
>
> [The law as devil?]
>
>             MORTIMER [K. Aram]
> Peace, cousin Percy. You will make him mad.
>             GLENDOWER [FAB]
> I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
>             HOTSPUR [CGE]
> Why, so can I, or so can any man,
> But will they come when you do call for them?
>             GLENDOWER [FAB]
> Why, I can teach you, cousin, to command the devil.
>             HOTSPUR [CGE]
> And I can teach thee, coz, to shame the devil By telling truth. Tell
> truth and shame the devil.
> If thou have power to raise him, bring him hither, And I’ll be sworn I
> have power to shame him hence.
> O, while you live, tell truth and shame the devil!
>             MORTIMER [K. Aram]
> Come, come, no more of this unprofitable chat.
>
> --Henry IV, Part 1 (3.1)
>
> ###
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
> Carl,
>
> Your insistence on provoking anger by everyone and anyone against the organizations you purport to represent, is the inconsistency. Unlike the brain dead out there, with degrees after their names, who are so concerned with preserving the lives of “fetuses”, while caring nothing for the lives of children we are slaughtering daily, or those who are so concerned with the lives of women, their opportunities for advancement in their careers, while ignoring those we are killing daily elsewhere in the world, you do care about the lives of the already born.
>
> It’s unfortunate you choose to alienate and  prevent any possibility of uniting people, or groups to prevent such wonton deaths, with your personal views that are irrelevant .

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