[Peace-discuss] Reddit a breached/ censored site now

Fri Mar 16 01:53:38 UTC 2018

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43255285

Attached above  - I hope- 03/02 BBC article which is a cornucopia of disinformation. The BBC quoting the Daily Beast about Russia's IRA - the sinister Internet Research Agency- "Russia's most prominent troll factory" - infiltrating Reddit- gasp! 
CBS news caught up 3 days ago with stories that "Russian propaganda" was still on Reddit. Which makes the head hurt with the doublespeak, since the propaganda on Reddit is of course that the Russian oligarch/spy was poisoned by Russians and "we" need to go to war. 
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------ Original message------From: bjornsona at ameritech.netDate: Thu, Mar 15, 2018 2:38 PMTo: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss;Cc: bjornsona at ameritech.net;Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] Reddit a breached/ censored site now

    Perusing Reddit the other evening, I was dismayed to discover its fundamental freewheeling humour and worldwide participation have been overcome by algorithms and trollbots pushing the Russian war line.  Long-time Reddit-ers were discussing how the algorithms (Sometimes they referred to them as bots- I am unclear on their distinctions.)  would have to multiply upvotes and downvotes in order to keep the political Russian discussion alive and on the "New" front page. 
It was obvious enough to true Reddit users those stories did not contain normal Reddit comments, style, poster accounts, or opinions to investigate their own posts and previous upvotes/downvotes They observed the site treating their posts far differently mathematically than 1. i says it will; 2. it has in the past; and 3. than it was treating the propaganda "Russia needs sanctions/Russia is the evil one/ Russia is stealing Ukraine" posts.
You all have undoubtably heard this already. I had seen a fragment of an article last week. Perhaps I can find it. Reddit ers  probably will not believe that garbage - the audience is too global. Losing the platform may annoy them terribly- perhaps not the outcome for which the propagandists were looking.
Odes and laments to the idea of our lost and free social media. The 5 stages of grief have been helpful to me! Maybe time to start paying for encrypted -  one yet? 
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 -----From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss Date: Thu, Mar 15, 2018 7:24 AMTo: David Green;Cc: Peace-discuss List (peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net);Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] SPLC
“Publish and be damned!” seems to me right in such matters. I don’t think legal suppression is right even for scurrilous political views. 
But it seems worthwhile to demand an apology like this. 
Why, who could imagine that the wretched SPLC had "any intention to suggest that any of them* are white supremacists, fascists, and/or anti-Semites, that they hold such views, or that they are engaged in a conspiracy with the Russian government to promote such views or otherwise”?!
—CGE_____________________*  Max Blumenthal, Ben Norton, Tim Pool, Rania Khalek, and Brian Becker

On Mar 15, 2018, at 12:42 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
In spite of SPLC's deserved bad reputation per Cockburn etc., those being slandered by it (Blumenthal, Khalek etc.) are deferring to its more common liberal reputation as a civil rights organization. That may be a tactical move on their part.
Alexander Reid Ross, the culprit, has published on Counterpunch and been i!
 nterviewed by Eric Draitser on their podcast. Similarly, Louis Proyect has attacked Blumenthal etc. on Counterpunch last weekend, and continues to do so during this week on his blog.
So continues the scare campaign against "red-brown" alliances as an aspect of the antiwar movement, promoted by those supporting intensified U.S. intervention in Syria, including the fellow who debated Khalek on TRNN earlier this week, as shown also on AoTA.
It can also be questioned whether legal suppression is an appropriate tactic in this case.
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On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 8:03 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/03/09/update-multipolar-spin-how-fascists-operationalize-left-wing-resentment
splcenter.org
Explanation and apology: The multipolar spin: how fascists operationalize left-wing resentment

March 14, 2018 Facebook Twitter

On March 9, 2018, we posted an article on our Hatewatch blog entitled “The multipolar spin: how fascists oper!
 ationalize left-wing resentment.”

Shortly after its publication, we received complaints registered by or on behalf of several journalists mentioned in the article that it falsely described one or another of them as white supremacists, fascists, and/or anti-Semites, and falsely accused them of engaging in a conspiracy with the Putin regime to promote such views. Because neither we nor the article’s author intended to make any such accusations, we took it down while we re-examined its contents.

That re-examination has caused us to conclude that, while the intent of the article, which we thought was clear at the time of publication, was to show only that individuals on the left share some policy views with respect to multipolarism that are also held by the far right and/or appear on far-right media and conferences advocating them, the article did not make that point as clearly as it could or should have.

Accordingly, we have decided not to re-post it. In addition, we extend a sincere apology to those who believe they have been falsely described in it, including Max Blumenthal, Ben Norton, Tim Pool, Rania Khalek, and Brian Becker, and disclaim, as clearly as we can, any intention to suggest that any of them are white supremacists, fascists, and/or anti-Semites, that they hold such views, or that they are engaged in a conspiracy with the Russian government to promote such views or otherwise.
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