[Peace-discuss] Israeli influence…

Thu May 10 16:48:47 UTC 2018

Okay, enough guys, as three of the most intelligent people I know, and yet find myself constantly disagreeing on the various details related to specific issues, this takes the cake, and highlights why the left never gets anywhere. Internal bickering, of which I am most guilty.

I support Carl’s statement below 100%, not that it matters what I support, but it is the point I had been attempting to make when we began this conversation, only Carl presented much better than I.
In addition I must add:

1) Carl did not accuse Mort of anti-semitism. Carl merely pointed out that it is a “form of Anti-semitism” making the rounds, that of blaming the “Zionists or “Jews” as most people see them for absolutely everything. Though we recognize the difference, its amazing how many people worldwide do not.

2) This is dangerous, why? Do I really need ask?

3)Carl’s statement:

"That’s a good example of ‘the higher anti-semitsm’ (“the Jews made us do it”) that exculpates the US from its political and military crimes: “...it leaves the US government untouched on its high pinnacle of nobility, 'Wilsonian idealism,' etc., merely in the grip of an all-powerful force that it cannot escape.”

"Stephen Zunes has rightly pointed out, “there are far more powerful interests that have a stake in what happens in the Persian Gulf region than does AIPAC [or the Lobby generally], such as the oil companies, the arms industry and other special interests whose lobbying influence and campaign contributions far surpass that of the much-vaunted Zionist lobby and its allied donors to congressional races.”

On May 10, 2018, at 09:30, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

That’s a good example of ‘the higher anti-semitsm’ (“the Jews made us do it”)
It’s an absolute disgrace that Carl  accused Mort of being anti-semitic—the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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From: Peace-discuss <peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net>> On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Israeli influence…

On May 10, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote (quoting The Saker),
"Israel has now fully subjugated all the branches of the US government to its agents (the Neocons) and that they now run everything: from the two branches of the Uniparty to Congress, to the media and, now that Trump has abjectly caved in to all their demands, they also run the White House. They apparently also run the CIA, but there still might be some resistance to their lunacy in the Pentagon. The USA is now quite literally run by a Zionist Occupation Government, no doubt about it whatsoever.”

That’s a good example of ‘the higher anti-semitsm’ (“the Jews made us do it”) that exculpates the US from its political and military crimes: “...it leaves the US government untouched on its high pinnacle of nobility, 'Wilsonian idealism,' etc., merely in the grip of an all-powerful force that it cannot escape.”

Stephen Zunes has rightly pointed out, “there are far more powerful interests that have a stake in what happens in the Persian Gulf region than does AIPAC [or the Lobby generally], such as the oil companies, the arms industry and other special interests whose lobbying influence and campaign contributions far surpass that of the much-vaunted Zionist lobby and its allied donors to congressional races.”

—CGE
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