[Peace-discuss] FW: The higher anti-Semitism

[Carl G. Estabrook]

It’s not a lie, Mort. 

You wrote, "Just to show another point of view, a paragraph from Saker … 'The USA is now quite literally run by a Zionist Occupation Government, no doubt about it whatsoever.'”

Did you quote it because you thought it was false?


> On May 10, 2018, at 9:48 PM, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> Your first paragraph includes a willful blatant lie: 
> I asserted no such thing as “The USA is now quite literally run by a Zionist Occupation Government, no doubt about it whatsoever”!  That is a Saker quote. Get the difference?
> I wanted to point out that you constantly let Israel and its cohort “off the hook” by denying the gross, yes undeniable, heinous influence of the Zionist lobby (and Israel/Netanyahu) in U.S.foreign policy. The Saker, and Max Blumenthal, are closer to the truth in my opinion. 
> 
>> On May 10, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> The ‘higher antisemitism’ that Mort (and apparently you) hold is the belief that much of  US foreign policy is run in the peculiar interests of the Israeli government. Mort goes further to assert that “The USA is now quite literally run by a Zionist Occupation Government, no doubt about it whatsoever”! 
>> 
>> On the contrary, the US is the godfather, and Israel (like the KSA) is a local caporegime. As Kissinger wrote, "Regional groupings supported by the United States will have to take over major responsibility for their immediate areas, with the United States being more concerned with the overall framework of order than with the management of every regional enterprise." 
>> 
>> The US is run by government institutions that serve the interests of dominant social groups in America (‘the ruling class’), influenced as they may be by various interest groups  (‘lobbies’), of which the Israel lobby is not the only one nor even probably the most influential. 
>> 
>> But the ‘higher anti-semitism’ excuses crimes of the US government on the crude and false excuse, 'the Jews [the government of Israel and the Israel lobby] made us do it.'  
>> 
>> —CGE
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 10, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No I understood full well what  you wrote. So did Mort. Anti-Semitism is the Last Refuge of a Scoundrel. Fab.
>>> 
>>> Francis A. Boyle
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>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: C G Estabrook [mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 8:22 PM
>>> To: Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
>>> Cc: peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>; peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The higher anti-Semitism
>>> 
>>> You obviously misinterpret what I wrote, Francis.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 10, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> “the higher anti-semitism.”
>>>> ---------
>>>> You slimed Mort just like Larry Summers slimed me. Pathetic!
>>>> Fab
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Francis A. Boyle
>>>> Law Building
>>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 6:53 PM
>>>> To: Peace-discuss List (peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net) <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>> Cc: peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>
>>>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] The higher anti-Semitism
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve apparently been unclear in my reference to “the higher anti-semitism.” Perhaps I should eschew irony.
>>>> 
>>>> By ‘the higher anti-semitism’ I mean the view that US foreign policy is run for the interests of the Israeli government - roughly the Mearsheimer-Walt thesis - or the view that “The USA is now quite literally run by a Zionist Occupation Government, no doubt about it whatsoever,” as Mort quotes.
>>>> 
>>>> The US is run by government institutions that serve the interests of dominant social groups in America (‘the ruling class’), influenced as they may be by various interest groups  (‘lobbies’), of which the Israel lobby is not the only one nor even probably the most influential. 
>>>> 
>>>> But the ‘higher anti-semitism’ excuses the crimes of the US government on the crude and false excuse, 'the Jews [the government of Israel and the Israel lobby] made us do it.'  
>>>> 
>>>> --CGE
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