[Peace-discuss] Don't send a Democrat to the House

Wed May 23 17:29:15 UTC 2018

The Democrats should not be given control of Congress:

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/21/chuck-schumer-is-the-worst-possible-democratic-leader-on-foreign-policy-at-the-worst-possible-time/ <https://theintercept.com/2018/05/21/chuck-schumer-is-the-worst-possible-democratic-leader-on-foreign-policy-at-the-worst-possible-time/>

—CGE

> On May 23, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> I’ve been talking about parties and their control of the House - not individual candidates or their records.
> 
> I have no reason to believe that either Davis or his opponent will become anti-war.
> 
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>> On May 23, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
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>> You are not only, not convincing anyone to vote for Rodney, you’ve convinced me to support the Democrat opponent, I will choke while voting for her, but nothing you have said is related to the record of Rodney as a candidate. You continually focus on some fantasy that he is more apt to become anti-war than the Democrat candidate. Wishing it so won’t make it so.
>> 
>> Anyone wishing to contact me, that I care to hear from, has my email address. I am removing myself from Peace Disguss, pun intended.
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>>> On May 23, 2018, at 07:14, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
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>>> Deciding whom to vote for is a bloody waste of time?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 23, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Bloody waste of time, distracting us from doing what we should be doing, rising up against the imperialist oligarchs, in order to have the last word. 
>>>> 
>>>> “Have a nice day y’all."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 23, 2018, at 06:50, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> And all you have to know about Robert Naiman is his disingenuous work for the neoconservative (more war) and neoliberal (more inequality) Democratic candidate in the last election:
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/19/roaming-charges-prime-time-green/ <https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/19/roaming-charges-prime-time-green/>>.  —CGE
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 23, 2018, at 7:50 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All you have to know about Rodney Davis is this sentence:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Sir, I knew Tim Johnson, and you are no Tim Johnson." 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Robert Naiman
>>>>>> Policy Director
>>>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org <http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/>
>>>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>>>>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> Robert, while I commend you for acquiring those promises from Democrats, the fact that they are personal promises. and they aren’t willing to “put it in writing” so to speak on their website etc., not that it’s a guarantee either, it doesn’t make one feel anymore secure or confident.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> While I generally agree with your statement in relation to “those choosing not to vote,” I no longer support the whole electoral process as anything more than an exercise in futility and distraction, the reason I posted the Chris Hedges article in the first place, and especially when the distinction between candidates being little different. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However, given the abysmal record of Rodney Davis, almost anyone would likely be better and it would be a true miscarriage of justice if he were to be re-elected. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 22, 2018, at 23:25, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I promise that if Betsy Dirksen Londrigan is elected to the House, she will vote against unauthorized U.S. participation in the Saudi war in Yemen. She and her staff have given me personal commitments to this effect. I would not be supporting her so strongly otherwise. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I promise that if Democrats retake the House, we will get more votes in the House on war and peace. Just now the House Rules Committee blocked floor consideration of Rep. Khanna's amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that would have prohibited U.S. refueling of Saudi warplanes bombing Yemen. If Dems retake the House, Jim McGovern will be chair of the Rules Committee. It's going to be an anti-war amendment Jamboree. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm totally in favor of giving Democrats a hard time on war and peace. But ultra-left electoral abstentionism hasn't done squat and isn't going to do squat to give Democrats a hard time on war and peace. Democratic politicians care about ultra-left electoral abstentionism like the ocean cares about the discharge of a squirt gun. Some people may find ultra-left electoral abstentionism emotionally satisfying personally, but then we should understand that what is driving them is a selfish personal desire for self-actualization, not an informed desire to make the world less unjust. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Robert Naiman
>>>>>>> Policy Director
>>>>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org <http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/>
>>>>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>>>>>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> What would it mean to have “given up on electoral politics”? And why do you think I’d done it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But I have yet to hear an answer to the question, 'Which is to be preferred in 2019, a House controlled by the Democrat or by the Republican party, and why?'
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Your answer should be well-spelt, grammatical, and contain the term ‘Russiagate’…
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> —CGE
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 22, 2018, at 10:43 PM, David Enstrom via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bizzare and contorted about sums this string up bery nicely.  Carl I thought you and given up on electoral politics.  I guess I was mistaken.  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:28 PM Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Which is more likely to hesitate at Deep State war-mongering, a Republican House, or a Democratic one?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John Pilger wrote in 2016, “The CIA, Pentagon generals, and the pro-war New York Times demand Trump not be elected. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Russian president Putin, then with China’s president Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire…”
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The Democrats' panic at the threat that Trump would abandon Obama's war provocations produced Russiagate. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> They should not be rewarded for that with control of the House.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> —CGE
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