[Peace-discuss] Don't send a Democrat to the House

[Robert Naiman]

I haven't set myself a goal of convincing list members to "support the
Democrats" [*sic*].

You, on the other hand, opened the thread with an appeal for list members
to support Rodney Davis. That's the whole premise of your side of the
discussion.

You claim not to be advocating for electoral abstention, but I'm pretty
sure that you're lying, based on the evidence at hand, even if I didn't
already know you as a pathological liar, as most people here also know you.

I can't imagine that you actually believe you can convince anyone here to
support Rodney Davis. Everyone here knows who Rodney Davis is. People here
are politically active, follow the news. Rodney Davis has made no secret of
who he is. He's a Paul Ryan-Mitch McConnell Republican. Not a Rand
Paul-Mike Lee-Justin Amash Republican. Rodney Davis always votes with Paul
Ryan on war and peace. I'm well aware, because I've appealed to Rodney
Davis many times to vote and advocate like Justin Amash, and have been
rebuffed by Rodney Davis every time. Nobody here has tried harder than me
to get Rodney Davis to vote and advocate more like Justin Amash.

Therefore, you must have some other goal than the impossible goal of
getting people here to support Rodney Davis. I suspect that your goal is to
turn people off of practical engagement in electoral politics in the hopes
that they will eventually join your little cult.

In your lying fantasy story, my project is to get people to "support the
Democrats," no matter what.

But in the world of objective reality, nobody here has tried harder than me
to get Rodney Davis to act on war and peace like a libertarian Republican.

I would have been delighted if you ran against Rodney Davis in the
Republican primary as a libertarian Republican. I publicly encouraged you
to run, right here, on this list. You were too lazy.

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 1:32 AM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> And list members, raise your other hand (and put it over your eyes) if Bob
> has convinced you to support the Democrats...
>
> On May 23, 2018, at 6:07 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> List members, please raise your hand if Carl has convinced you to vote for
> Rodney Davis.
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:07 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> Last week I was an antisemite, Mort. Make up your mind.
>>
>>
>> > On May 23, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > "and Netanyahu has made it clear that he prefers Republicans to
>> Democrats."
>> >
>> > You and Netanyahu.
>> >
>> > From https://dispatchesfromtheedgeblog.wordpress.com/2018/05/23/
>> iran-sanctions-a-prelude-to-war/
>> >
>> > —mkb
>> >
>> >> On May 23, 2018, at 12:29 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The Democrats should not be given control of Congress:
>> >>
>> >> https://theintercept.com/2018/05/21/chuck-schumer-is-the-wor
>> st-possible-democratic-leader-on-foreign-policy-at-the-
>> worst-possible-time/
>> >>
>> >> —CGE
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On May 23, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I’ve been talking about parties and their control of the House - not
>> individual candidates or their records.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have no reason to believe that either Davis or his opponent will
>> become anti-war.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On May 23, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You are not only, not convincing anyone to vote for Rodney, you’ve
>> convinced me to support the Democrat opponent, I will choke while voting
>> for her, but nothing you have said is related to the record of Rodney as a
>> candidate. You continually focus on some fantasy that he is more apt to
>> become anti-war than the Democrat candidate. Wishing it so won’t make it so.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Anyone wishing to contact me, that I care to hear from, has my email
>> address. I am removing myself from Peace Disguss, pun intended.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On May 23, 2018, at 07:14, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Deciding whom to vote for is a bloody waste of time?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On May 23, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Bloody waste of time, distracting us from doing what we should be
>> doing, rising up against the imperialist oligarchs, in order to have the
>> last word.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> “Have a nice day y’all."
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On May 23, 2018, at 06:50, Carl G. Estabrook <
>> galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> And all you have to know about Robert Naiman is his disingenuous
>> work for the neoconservative (more war) and neoliberal (more inequality)
>> Democratic candidate in the last election:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> <https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/19/roaming-charges-pri
>> me-time-green/>.  —CGE
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On May 23, 2018, at 7:50 AM, Robert Naiman <
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> All you have to know about Rodney Davis is this sentence:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> "Sir, I knew Tim Johnson, and you are no Tim Johnson."
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>>
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