[Peace-discuss] Don't send a Democrat to the House

Thu May 24 20:14:04 UTC 2018

Carl you appear to be unaware of the GPUS platform on which Jill Stein
stood, and which you claimed to have supported a couple of posts ago.  You
seem also to be unaware of other developments in the GPUS.

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 3:54 PM C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:

> David, you seem unaware that the founding principles of the Prairie Greens
> explicitly recognize that there are a variety of views among Greens on
> abortion.
>
>
> On May 24, 2018, at 1:28 PM, David Enstrom <daenstrom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Carl, you hold a few un-green values.  Advicate in your name for
> republicans and leave the GPUS out of it.  You have a history of attempting
> to insert your very un-green ideas into the GPUS and hurting the party in
> Champaign County in the process.  Your anti-choice sentiments, I
> understand, drove Greens away locally.
>
>
> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You’re not reading very closely, David.
>>
>> I was in fact defending the Green presidential candidate against Robert
>> Naiman, “a paid, professional Democrat progressive attacking the Green
>> Party and Jill Stein.”
>>
>> And there is in fact a debate among members and friends of the Green
>> party about what Greens should do this year in the 13th IL CD, where there
>> is no Green candidate - (1) abstain, (2) vote for the Democrat, or (3) vote
>> for the Republican. I take it your choice is (2).
>>
>> —CGE
>>
>>
>> On May 24, 2018, at 12:35 PM, David Enstrom via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>> Carl, I don't mind your campaigning for Reblicans on this site, but I do
>> very much mind you doing it "as a Green".
>>
>> I will say to the group that Carl's views  regarding the US House and
>> Rep. Davis do not represent the views of the GPUS at ANY level.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:01 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob—
>>>
>>> My argument (as you know) has been that the Democrats shouldn’t be given
>>> control of the House.
>>>
>>> I’ll let list members judge if I am a "pathological liar.” My judgement
>>> is that you need to get your prescription refilled…
>>>
>>> And I’m not sure what you think “my little cult” is. I haven’t received
>>> instructions from Moscow in weeks now…
>>>
>>> As a Green (and former candidate for Congress) I supported and voted for
>>> Jill Stein in the last election.
>>>
>>> Your position was accurately captured by John Stauber, "author of 'Toxic
>>> Sludge is Good for You' and a leading expert on the politics of propaganda
>>> and disinformation. Stauber knows a smear when he sees one” (CounterPunch
>>> editor Jeffrey St Clair):
>>>
>>> “Robert Naiman epitomizes the attitude of the paid,
>>> professional Democrat progressives attacking the Green Party and Jill
>>> Stein. These shills see no hypocrisy in embracing a candidate supported by
>>> Wall Street, the Koch brothers and the neoconservatives who with Hillary
>>> lied America into attacking Iraq.  So there it is, Hillary is his champion
>>> while a woman running on the most progressive platform in America is just a
>>> damned Communist.  Rather than back down when he himself was exposed, he
>>> doubled down with a smear befitting the worst of American politics. Naiman
>>> is not an aberration however; indeed, he embodies the funded progressive
>>> elite who since 2000 have become a front group for the Democrats
>>> liberal oligarchs such as George Soros and his Democracy Alliance” <
>>> https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/19/roaming-charges-prime-time-green/
>>> >.
>>>
>>> You haven’t "set [yourself] a goal of convincing list members [and
>>> others] to 'support the Democrats’”? Really?
>>>
>>> Regards,  Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2018, at 1:45 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I haven't set myself a goal of convincing list members to "support the
>>> Democrats" [*sic*].
>>>
>>> You, on the other hand, opened the thread with an appeal for list
>>> members to support Rodney Davis. That's the whole premise of your side of
>>> the discussion.
>>>
>>> You claim not to be advocating for electoral abstention, but I'm pretty
>>> sure that you're lying, based on the evidence at hand, even if I didn't
>>> already know you as a pathological liar, as most people here also know you.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine that you actually believe you can convince anyone here
>>> to support Rodney Davis. Everyone here knows who Rodney Davis is. People
>>> here are politically active, follow the news. Rodney Davis has made no
>>> secret of who he is. He's a Paul Ryan-Mitch McConnell Republican. Not a
>>> Rand Paul-Mike Lee-Justin Amash Republican. Rodney Davis always votes with
>>> Paul Ryan on war and peace. I'm well aware, because I've appealed to Rodney
>>> Davis many times to vote and advocate like Justin Amash, and have been
>>> rebuffed by Rodney Davis every time. Nobody here has tried harder than me
>>> to get Rodney Davis to vote and advocate more like Justin Amash.
>>>
>>> Therefore, you must have some other goal than the impossible goal of
>>> getting people here to support Rodney Davis. I suspect that your goal is to
>>> turn people off of practical engagement in electoral politics in the hopes
>>> that they will eventually join your little cult.
>>>
>>> In your lying fantasy story, my project is to get people to "support the
>>> Democrats," no matter what.
>>>
>>> But in the world of objective reality, nobody here has tried harder than
>>> me to get Rodney Davis to act on war and peace like a libertarian
>>> Republican.
>>>
>>> I would have been delighted if you ran against Rodney Davis in the
>>> Republican primary as a libertarian Republican. I publicly encouraged you
>>> to run, right here, on this list. You were too lazy.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 1:32 AM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And list members, raise your other hand (and put it over your eyes) if
>>>> Bob has convinced you to support the Democrats...
>>>>
>>>> On May 23, 2018, at 6:07 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> List members, please raise your hand if Carl has convinced you to vote
>>>> for Rodney Davis.
>>>>
>>>>
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