[Peace-discuss] fyi

Sun May 27 16:20:36 UTC 2018

Y'all are funny.  I get So tired of men debating women bearing children without having had the experience of  debating/choosing every morsel of food and drink going into one's mouth for 9 -1/2  months AND the entire period of breastfeeding. Also the experience of the severe discomfort that can result from an unfortunate food choice: both in a woman's body, the baby who is breastfeedings' body, which therefore makes the woman and possibly her family extremely unhappy, and some choices of which might have developmental repercussions for months and years. I get tired of people who have not been sexually, physically, emotionally or verbally abused as children having absolutely no idea what Complex PTSD, that almost always arises from such abuse, does to an adult's ability to make proper adult decisions, such as whether or not they are capable of being in a relationship or raising an emotionally stable child. Making laws and  judgments to curtail someone with C-PTSD from accessing c
 ontraception, abortion, mental & physical health care, only leads to more violence in this country. Breedin' and birthin' and belongin' to the human race are heavy, man.
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------ Original message------From: C. G. Estabrook  via Peace-discussDate: Sun, May 27, 2018 10:15 AMTo: ewj;Cc: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss;Karen Aram;Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] fyi
A prophet w/o honor in his own country...

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On May 27, 2018, at 10:11 AM, ewj via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Everything I needed to know about populations i learned from hop hornbeam and Escherichia coli   That there social justice stuff must be some powerful shit if it can overturn laws of physics.  There must be a catch.  I bet it is expensive or illegal or both.  

About large families being the result of poverty...are you saying that avarice is linked to hating children.  wait wasnt that what wcfields was trying to tell us all.along?

On 2018-05-27 22:17 ,  C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss Wrote: 

Don’t be ridiculous. Population stabilizes with development and social justice.
People aren’t poor because they have too many children. People have too many children because they’re poor - an extended family in the only form of social security in societies lacking social justice. 

On May 27, 2018, at 9:06 AM, David Enstrom via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
Che's remark shows an ignorance of the relationships between over population, individual suffering, environmental degradation and WAR.  Che clearly not a demographer.   On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 8:51 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
The US contraceptive and anti-natal policies were meant to reduce the population pressures for social justice in America’s semi-colonies, particularly in Latin America.
Hence Che’s remark.

On May 27, 2018, at 8:39 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Fear of forced sterilization is not an excuse for preventing a woman’s choice over her body. In fact, forcing childbirth is little different from forced sterilization. Killing the unborn, we’re speaking of seeds and fetuses not babies, is not the same thing
 as killing children already born, living their lives. 

On May 27, 2018, at 03:45, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

The US has long sponsored contraceptive and anti-natal policies in Latin America. (Not, for the most part, so brutally as Israel’s sterilization programs for Bedouins, African refugees, etc.)

Che Guevara is supposed to have attacked those programs by saying, “It’s easier to kill a guerrilla in the womb than in the hills."  

On May 26, 2018, at 11:10 PM, David Enstrom via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/26/uganda-american-aid-birth-control/

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