From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 15:09:21 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 10:09:21 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] a few moments to reflect on racism
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https://theintercept.com/2018/10/31/donald-trump-2016-election-economic-distress/


> On Nov 1, 2018, at 3:35 AM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Amid the maelstrom of endless news cycles and bloviating politicians,
> we need to take a few moments to reflect on the underlying racism
> among ourselves. Sadly, the
> candidacy locally and nationally of people of color sparks negative
> and racist reactions from the electoral opposition in words and actions
> that range from dog whistle politics to outright acts of violence and
> hate crimes.
> 
> I commend all who work to raise awareness about the pernicious issues
> of institutionalized racism that pervade our society and community. We
> must begin talking with one another, not at each other, and we must be
> willing to go beyond our own comfort zones to learn how others
> experience the world. Here, I am not just talking about people of
> different political perspectives communicating, but within our own
> ranks, we must condemn
> the casual racism of disrespect and the tendency to dismiss
> individuals because their looks or their perspective or their speech
> or their dress is unfamiliar, not what we are expecting, or associated
> with a particular socio-economic stratum.
> 
> I think often of the Senegalese conservationist Baba Dioum:
> 
> "In the end we will conserve only what we love, we will love only what
> we understand, and we will understand only what we are taught." (paper
> presented to General Assembly of the International Union for the
> Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources, 1968.)
> 
> Although his focus was the natural world, his words are applicable to
> much more than forestry and wildlife. Put another way, exposure leads
> to education, education leads to understanding, understanding leads to
> appreciation, and appreciation and love lead to action.
> 
> If you have a few moments to spare, please read this article:
> 
> https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-midterms-candidates-of-color_us_5bd0d365e4b0d38b587f6dcf
> 
> Be well,
> Deb
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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Thu Nov  1 15:22:23 2018
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 10:22:23 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Brazil, Fascism and the Left Wing of Neoliberalism
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October 29, 2018 

 
<https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/10/29/brazil-fascism-and-the-left-wing-of
-neoliberalism/> Brazil, Fascism and the Left Wing of Neoliberalism

by  <https://www.counterpunch.org/author/3abre/> Rob Urie 

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With Jair Bolsonaro’s electoral victory in Sunday’s runoff election for
president of Brazil, a global resurgence of the radical right is
indisputable. Mr. Bolsonaro is a particularly ugly representative of this
movement, both politically repressive and culturally intolerant. The
question being asked in the bourgeois press is: what psychological malady is
taking hold that could persuade voters to elect such a person?

The framing poses the resurgence as inexplicable, as the result of the
fundamental flaw of democracy: the voters. A litany of failures is
redistributed downward. Because Mr. Bolsonaro is politically repressive and
culturally intolerant, the electorate must want political repression and
cultural intolerance. Because Mr. Bolsonaro is a gender bully and
homophobic, voters must be gender bullies and homophobic.

Missing from explanations of the rise of Mr. Bolsonaro is that for the last
decade Brazil has experienced the
<https://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/21/brazil-lost-decade-recession/> worst
economic recession in the country’s history (graph below). Fourteen million
formerly employed, working age Brazilians are now unemployed. As was true in
the U.S. and peripheral Europe from 2008 forward, the liberal response has
been austerity as the Brazilian ruling class was made richer and more
politically powerful.

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Graph: Brazil entered recession in 2008 along with much of the rest of the
world in the global financial crisis. It re-entered recession in 2012 in
what turned into the worst economic downturn in the country’s history. The
liberal response, sponsored by Wall Street and the IMF, was a decade of
austerity. Source: St. Louis Federal Reserve.

Since 2014, Brazil’s public debt/GDP ratio has climbed from 20% to 75%
<https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/398061-markets-imf-send-brazil-clear-me
ssage-reform-your-economy> proclaims a worried IMF. That some fair portion
of that climb came from falling GDP due to economic austerity mandated by
the IMF and Wall Street is left unmentioned. A decade of austerity got
liberal President Dilma Rousseff removed from office in 2016 in what can
only be called a Wall Street putsch. Perhaps Bolsonaro will tell Wall Street
where to stick its loans (not).

Back in the U.S., everyone knows that the liberalization of finance and
trade in the 1990s was the result of political calculations. That this
liberalization was/is bipartisan suggests that maybe the political
calculations served certain economic interests. Never mind that these
interests were given what they asked for and crashed the economy with it. If
economic problems result from political calculations, the solution is
political— elect better leaders. If they are driven by economic interests,
the solution is to change the way that economic relationships are organized.

Between 1928 and 1932 German industrial production fell by 58%. By 1933, six
million formerly employed German workers were begging in the streets and
digging through garbage looking for items to sell. The liberal (Socialist
Party) response was half-measures and austerity. Within the liberal frame,
the Depression was a political problem to be addressed in the realm of the
political. Centrist accommodation defined the existing realm. Adolf Hitler
was appointed Chancellor of Germany in 1933, the pit of the Great
Depression.

In Brazil in the early-mid 2000s, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, better known as
Lula, implemented a Left program that pulled twenty million Brazilians out
of poverty. The Brazilian economy briefly recovered after Wall Street
crashed it in 2008 before Brazilian public debt was used to force the
implementation of austerity. Dilma Rousseff capitulated and Brazil
re-entered recession. Rousseff was removed from power in 2016. Hemmed in by
Wall Street and
<https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2018/07/11/pr18288-imf-executive-board
-concludes-2018-article-iv-consultation-with-brazil> IMF mandated austerity,
any liberal government that might be elected would meet the same fate as
Rousseff.

In Italy in the 1920s, repayment of war debts from WWI led to austerity and
recession that preceded the rise of fascist leader Benito Mussolini. In
Germany, payment of war reparations and repayment of industrial loans
limited the ability of the Weimar government to respond to the Great
Depression. Liberal governments that facilitated the financialization of
industrial economies in the 1920s were left to serve as debt collectors in
the capitalist crisis that followed.

Since 2008, the fiscal structure of the EU (European Union) combined with
wildly unbalanced trade relationships led to a decade of austerity,
recession and depression for the European periphery. In the U.S., by 2009
Wall Street was pushing austerity and cuts to Social Security and Medicare
as necessary to fiscal stability. The consequences of four decades of
financialized neoliberal trade policies were by no means equally shared.
Internal and external class relations were made evident through narrowly
distributed booms followed by widely distributed busts.

With the presumed shared goal of ending the threat of fascism:

The ideological premises behind the logic that claims fascists as the
explanation of fascism emerge from liberalism. The term here is meant as
description. Liberalism proceeds from specific ontological assumptions.
Within this temporal frame, a bit of social logic: If fascists already
existed, why didn’t fascism?  The question of whether to fight fascists or
fascism depends on the answer. The essentialist view is that characteristics
intrinsic to fascists make them fascists. This is the basis of scientific
racism. And it underlies fascist race theory.

The theory of a strongman who exploits people who have a predisposition
towards fascism is essentialist as well if receptivity is intrinsic, e.g.
due to psychology, genetics, etc. Liberal-Left commentary in recent years
has tended toward the essentialist view— that fascists are born or otherwise
predisposed toward fascism. Unconsidered is that non-fascists are equally
determined in this frame. If ‘deplorables’ were born that way, four decades
of neoliberalism is absolved.

The problem of analogy, the question of what fascism is and how European
fascism of the twentieth century bears relation to the present, can’t be
answered in the liberal frame. The rise and fall of a global radical right
have been episodic. It has tied in history to the development of global
capitalism in a center-and-periphery model of asymmetrical economic power.
Finance from the center facilitates economic expansion until financial
crisis interrupts the process. Peripheral governments are left to manage
debt repayment with collapsed economies.

Globally, debt has forced policy convergence between political parties of
differing ideologies. European center-left parties have pushed austerity
even when ideology would suggest the opposite. In 2015, self-identified
Marxists in Greece’s SYRIZA party capitulated to the austerity and
privatization demands from EU creditors led by Germany. Even Lenin
negotiated with Wall Street creditors (on behalf of Russia) in the months
after the October Revolution. In a political frame, the solution from below
is to elect leaders and parties who will act on their rhetoric.

The practical problem with doing this is the power of creditors. Debtors
that repudiate their debts are closed out of capital markets. The power to
create money that is accepted in payment is a privilege of the center
countries that also happen to be creditors. Capitalist expansion creates
interdependencies that produce immediate, deep shortages if debts aren’t
serviced. Debt is a weapon whose proceeds can be delivered to one group and
the obligation to repay it to another. The U.S. position was expressed when
the IMF knowingly made unpayable loans to Ukraine to support a U.S.
sponsored coup there in 2015.

Fascist racialization has analog in existing capitalist class relations.
Immigration status, race and gender define a social taxonomy of economic
exploitation.  <https://www.wnyc.org/story/invention-race/> Race was
invented decades into the Anglo-American manifestation of slavery to
naturalize exploitation of Blacks. Gender difference represents the
evolution of unpaid to paid labor for women in the capitalist West. Claiming
these as causing exploitation gets the temporal sequence wrong. These were /
are exploitable classes before explanations of their special status were
created.

This isn’t to suggest that capitalist class relations form a complete
explanation of fascist racialization. But the ontological premise that
‘freezes,’ and thereby reifies racialization, is fundamental to capitalism.
This relates to the point argued below that the educated German bourgeois,
in the form of the Nazi scientists and engineers brought to the U.S.
following WWII, found Nazi racialization plausible through what has long
been put forward as an antithetical mode of understanding. Put differently,
it wasn’t just the rabble that found grotesque racial caricatures plausible.
The question is why?

Propaganda was developed and refined by Edward Bernays in the 1910s to help
the Wilson administration sell WWI to a skeptical public. It has been used
by the American government and in capitalist advertising since that time.
The idea was to integrate psychology with words and images to get people to
act according to the desires and wishes of those putting it forward.

The operational frame of propaganda is instrumental: to use people to
achieve ends they had no part in conceiving. The political perspective is
dictatorial, benevolent or otherwise. Propaganda has been used by the
American government ever since. Similar methods were used by the Italian and
German fascists in their to rise to power.

Since WWI, commercial propaganda has become ubiquitous in the U.S.
Advertising firms hire psychologists to craft advertising campaigns with no
regard for the concern that psychological coercion removes free choice from
capitalism. The distinction between political and commercial propaganda is
based on intent, not method. Its use by Woodrow Wilson (above) is
instructive: a large and vocal anti-war movement had legitimate reasons for
opposing the U.S. entry into WWI. The goal of Bernays and Wilson was to
stifle political opposition.

Following WWII, the U.S. brought 1,600 Nazi scientists and engineers (and
their families) to the U.S. to work for the Department of Defense and
American industry through a program called
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip> Operation Paperclip.
Many were dedicated and enthusiastic Nazis. Some were reported to have been
bona fide war criminals. In contrast to liberal / neoliberal assertions that
Nazism was irrational politics, the Nazi scientists fit seamlessly into
American military production. There was no apparent contradiction between
being a Nazi and being a scientist.

The problem isn’t just that many committed Nazis were scientists. Science
and technology created the Nazi war machine. Science and technology were
fully integrated into the creation and running of the Nazi concentration
camps. American race ‘science,’ eugenics, formed the basis of Nazi race
theory. Science and technology formed the functional core of Nazism. And the
Nazi scientists and engineers of Operation Paperclip were major contributors
to American post-war military dominance.

A dimensional tension of Nazism lay between romantic myths of an ancient and
glorious past and the bourgeois task of moving industrialization and
modernity forward. The focus of liberal and neoliberal analysis has been on
this mythology as an irrational mode of reason. Missing is that Nazism
wouldn’t have moved past the German borders if it hadn’t had bourgeois basis
in the science and technology needed for industrial might. This keeps the
broad project within the ontological and administrative premises of
liberalism.

This is no doubt disconcerting to theorists of great difference. If
Bolsonaro can impose austerity while maintaining an unjust peace, Wall
Street and the IMF will smile and ask for more. American business interests
are
<https://theintercept.com/2018/10/25/brazil-election-jair-bolsonaro-us-inves
tors/> already circling Brazil, knowing that captive consumers combined with
enforceable property rights and a pliable workforce means profits. Where
were liberals when the Wall Street that Barack Obama saved was squeezing the
people of Brazil, Spain, Greece and Portugal to repay debts incurred by the
oligarchs? Liberalism is the link between capitalism and fascism, not its
antithesis.

Having long ago abandoned Marx, the American Left is lost in the temporal
logic of liberalism. The way to fight fascists is to end the threat of
fascism. This means taking on Wall Street and the major institutions of
Western capitalism.

 

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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Thu Nov  1 20:20:19 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 20:20:19 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Vote against all Republicans. Every single one.
 from The Washington Post
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From: "Szoke, Ron" <r-szoke at illinois.edu<mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>>
Subject: Opinion | Vote against all Republicans. Every single one. from The Washington Post
Date: November 1, 2018

https://wapo.st/2Q4KgKN?tid=ss_mail&utm_term=.97eea88a495e

Max Boot is the generally pro-military author of The Savage Wars of Peace: Small Wars and the Rise of American Power (Basic/Perseus, 2002, 428 pages),
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 21:18:50 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 16:18:50 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Vote against all Republicans. Every single one.
 from The Washington Post
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Some people will be surprised that a particularly vicious war-monger urges a vote against all Republicans. That suggests again that it would be a mistake to give Democrats control of the Congress in the upcoming election. —CGE
 

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 3:20 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> From: "Szoke, Ron" <r-szoke at illinois.edu>
> Subject: Opinion | Vote against all Republicans. Every single one. from The Washington Post
> Date: November 1, 2018 
> 
> https://wapo.st/2Q4KgKN?tid=ss_mail&utm_term=.97eea88a495e
> 
> Max Boot is the generally pro-military author of The Savage Wars of Peace: Small Wars and the Rise of American Power (Basic/Perseus, 2002, 428 pages),
> & many articles in the Wall Street Journal.  
> 
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Fri Nov  2 00:39:15 2018
From: galliher at illinois.edu (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:39:15 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted
 it on the NFN Utube page.
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The voting of war credits in 1914 split and largely destroyed the socialist movement in Germany. But even after that, the lines may seem sharper in hindsight.

"Terms like capitalism & socialism have been so evacuated of meaning that I don't like to use them.There's nothing remotely like capitalism in existence. To the extent there ever was, it disappeared by the 20’s. Every industrial society is one form or another of state capitalism.” [Noam Chomsky]


> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:45 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Also Carl,
> 
> As you probably are aware of but I thought I should mention it anyway, is that the break / division in the Socialist movement in Germany that led to the creation of the separate political tendencies of Social Democrats ( Liberals who wanted to only reform capitalism ) and Socialists, Communists, and Anarchists who wanted to abolish capitalism was the Social Democratic faction supporting World War 1.
> 
> David J. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Johnson [mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net] 
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:43 AM
> To: 'C G Estabrook'; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube page.
> 
> Carl,
> 
> It was a SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC ( Liberal ) Government, NOT an anti-capitalist SOCIALIST government.
> 
> As you mentioned in an earlier post, Rosa Luxemburg and Liebknecht were critics of Lenin and the Bolsheviks but they were still anti-capitalists. The type of government they would have created if the German revolution of 1918 / 1919 had not been brutally repressed by Ebert and the Social Democrats ( Liberals ) with the use of the pre-Nazi Freikorp in order to save capitalism, would have been much different ( better ) than what existed in Lenin's Russia. An example of what it may have looked like was the Bavarian Socialist government that was established with Kurt Eisner that lasted a brief time before the Freikorp destroyed it after securing the major cities of Berlin, Hamburg, etc..
> 
> David J.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C G Estabrook [mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:41 PM
> To: David Johnson
> Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube page.
> 
> My specific point is that Luxemburg was murdered on the orders of a socialist government.
> 
> It’s undeniable that there have been murderous disputes among groups belonging to the socialist tradition.
> 
> "Friedrich Ebert was a German politician of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and the first President of Germany from 1919 until his death in office in 1925 … Some historians have defended Ebert's actions as unfortunate but inevitable if the creation of a socialist state on the model that had been promoted by Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht and the communist Spartacists was to be prevented … [Ebert] has been called a traitor by leftists … whereas those who think his policies were justified claim that he saved Germany from Bolshevik excesses.” [Wikipedia]
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 4:15 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> What is your SPECIFIC point Carl ?
>> 
>> Are you denying or trying intentionally to confuse the issue of the difference between a REAL Socialist ( anti-capitalist ) and a Social Democrat ( Pro-Capitalist Liberal ) ?
>> 
>> David J.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 1:31 PM
>> To: Karen Aram
>> Cc: peace; Peace; peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube page.
>> 
>> Does this approach the “No true Scotsman” argument? Or does it help us to say what a real critique of capitalism looked like a century ago?
>> 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman>
>> 
>> —CGE
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Carl: 
>>> 
>>> Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert,”
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Social Democrats are NOT real Socialists – They are not anti-capitalists. They want to reform capitalism so it is more humane, but they will go to whatever lengths ( including murder ) to save capitalism. Ebert may have started out socialist, but moved to the right, joining the liberals and conservatives, with the SDP violently opposing the revolution of 1919.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 27, 2018, at 19:43, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Karen—
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you indeed for listening to and commenting on the program. 
>>>> 
>>>> As you acknowledge, Rosa Luxemburg was indeed murdered by Freikorps at the direction of the socialist government of Friedrich Ebert. She was of course a critic of that government -  from the Left, not from the Right.
>>>> 
>>>> Chomsky admires Luxemburg’s politics and her critique of Leninism - which is why contemporary Marxist-Leninists attack them both. —CGE
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 27, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> : Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant
>>>>> Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Carl:
>>>>> your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg,
>>>>> with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic
>>>>> Party, violently opposed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> David:
>>>>> I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi,
>>>>> on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.
>>>>> MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.
>>>>> The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Peace mailing list
>>>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net
>>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>>>> 
>>> 
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Fri Nov  2 04:39:28 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 04:39:28 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] It happened here, 1936-39:  The German American Bund
Message-ID: <BA0545A5-E278-4334-85D8-DB386ADBCA2C@illinois.edu>

In the United States, the German American Bund, an American Nazi organization, was formed in 1936, and soon grew to have tens of thousands of members.                

                Read this:
                https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/06/american-nazis-in-the-1930sthe-german-american-bund/529185/

From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Fri Nov  2 12:23:12 2018
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 07:23:12 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted
	it on the NFN Utube page.
In-Reply-To: <AF08A9DA-C175-417B-BD6D-C1EA45D62B94@illinois.edu>
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Indeed Carl,

I tend to agree with Chomsky.

Trying to define the terms " Socialism " and "Capitalism " is difficult at times even among people who are on the Left ( The REAL Left ). And even more difficult when talking to someone in the general U.S. public. Ask any ten Americans what Socialism and / or Capitalism is, and you will get at least 9 different answers.

David J.

-----Original Message-----
From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 7:39 PM
To: David Johnson
Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube page.

The voting of war credits in 1914 split and largely destroyed the socialist movement in Germany. But even after that, the lines may seem sharper in hindsight.

"Terms like capitalism & socialism have been so evacuated of meaning that I don't like to use them.There's nothing remotely like capitalism in existence. To the extent there ever was, it disappeared by the 20’s. Every industrial society is one form or another of state capitalism.” [Noam Chomsky]


> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:45 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Also Carl,
> 
> As you probably are aware of but I thought I should mention it anyway, is that the break / division in the Socialist movement in Germany that led to the creation of the separate political tendencies of Social Democrats ( Liberals who wanted to only reform capitalism ) and Socialists, Communists, and Anarchists who wanted to abolish capitalism was the Social Democratic faction supporting World War 1.
> 
> David J. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Johnson [mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net] 
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:43 AM
> To: 'C G Estabrook'; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube page.
> 
> Carl,
> 
> It was a SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC ( Liberal ) Government, NOT an anti-capitalist SOCIALIST government.
> 
> As you mentioned in an earlier post, Rosa Luxemburg and Liebknecht were critics of Lenin and the Bolsheviks but they were still anti-capitalists. The type of government they would have created if the German revolution of 1918 / 1919 had not been brutally repressed by Ebert and the Social Democrats ( Liberals ) with the use of the pre-Nazi Freikorp in order to save capitalism, would have been much different ( better ) than what existed in Lenin's Russia. An example of what it may have looked like was the Bavarian Socialist government that was established with Kurt Eisner that lasted a brief time before the Freikorp destroyed it after securing the major cities of Berlin, Hamburg, etc..
> 
> David J.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C G Estabrook [mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:41 PM
> To: David Johnson
> Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube page.
> 
> My specific point is that Luxemburg was murdered on the orders of a socialist government.
> 
> It’s undeniable that there have been murderous disputes among groups belonging to the socialist tradition.
> 
> "Friedrich Ebert was a German politician of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and the first President of Germany from 1919 until his death in office in 1925 … Some historians have defended Ebert's actions as unfortunate but inevitable if the creation of a socialist state on the model that had been promoted by Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht and the communist Spartacists was to be prevented … [Ebert] has been called a traitor by leftists … whereas those who think his policies were justified claim that he saved Germany from Bolshevik excesses.” [Wikipedia]
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 4:15 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> What is your SPECIFIC point Carl ?
>> 
>> Are you denying or trying intentionally to confuse the issue of the difference between a REAL Socialist ( anti-capitalist ) and a Social Democrat ( Pro-Capitalist Liberal ) ?
>> 
>> David J.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 1:31 PM
>> To: Karen Aram
>> Cc: peace; Peace; peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube page.
>> 
>> Does this approach the “No true Scotsman” argument? Or does it help us to say what a real critique of capitalism looked like a century ago?
>> 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman>
>> 
>> —CGE
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Carl: 
>>> 
>>> Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert,”
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Social Democrats are NOT real Socialists – They are not anti-capitalists. They want to reform capitalism so it is more humane, but they will go to whatever lengths ( including murder ) to save capitalism. Ebert may have started out socialist, but moved to the right, joining the liberals and conservatives, with the SDP violently opposing the revolution of 1919.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 27, 2018, at 19:43, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Karen—
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you indeed for listening to and commenting on the program. 
>>>> 
>>>> As you acknowledge, Rosa Luxemburg was indeed murdered by Freikorps at the direction of the socialist government of Friedrich Ebert. She was of course a critic of that government -  from the Left, not from the Right.
>>>> 
>>>> Chomsky admires Luxemburg’s politics and her critique of Leninism - which is why contemporary Marxist-Leninists attack them both. —CGE
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 27, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> : Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant
>>>>> Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Carl:
>>>>> your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg,
>>>>> with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic
>>>>> Party, violently opposed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> David:
>>>>> I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi,
>>>>> on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.
>>>>> MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.
>>>>> The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Peace mailing list
>>>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net
>>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Peace mailing list
>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net
>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Peace-discuss mailing list
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>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Fri Nov  2 13:45:55 2018
From: galliher at illinois.edu (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 08:45:55 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted
 it on the NFN Utube page.
In-Reply-To: <002701d472a6$d30477d0$790d6770$@comcast.net>
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Marx’ “Capital” describes a system in which the government/state (“the executive committee of the bourgeoisie”) plays a relatively minor role. But that’s not been true of states for a century, whether the states call themselves capitalist or socialist.

And it won’t be changed by demanding the election of candidates from ’the other party.’ 

It seems that Luxemburg was right when she said, “The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening.”

A current example would be to give an honest account of why Trump was elected, rather than the Democrat party’s lies about “the basket of deplorables.”

Our media programs are candles guttering tin the darkness on this All Souls’ Day.

Regards, CGE


> On Nov 2, 2018, at 7:23 AM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Indeed Carl,
> 
> I tend to agree with Chomsky.
> 
> Trying to define the terms " Socialism " and "Capitalism " is difficult at times even among people who are on the Left ( The REAL Left ). And even more difficult when talking to someone in the general U.S. public. Ask any ten Americans what Socialism and / or Capitalism is, and you will get at least 9 different answers.
> 
> David J.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 7:39 PM
> To: David Johnson
> Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube page.
> 
> The voting of war credits in 1914 split and largely destroyed the socialist movement in Germany. But even after that, the lines may seem sharper in hindsight.
> 
> "Terms like capitalism & socialism have been so evacuated of meaning that I don't like to use them.There's nothing remotely like capitalism in existence. To the extent there ever was, it disappeared by the 20’s. Every industrial society is one form or another of state capitalism.” [Noam Chomsky]
> 
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:45 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Also Carl,
>> 
>> As you probably are aware of but I thought I should mention it anyway, is that the break / division in the Socialist movement in Germany that led to the creation of the separate political tendencies of Social Democrats ( Liberals who wanted to only reform capitalism ) and Socialists, Communists, and Anarchists who wanted to abolish capitalism was the Social Democratic faction supporting World War 1.
>> 
>> David J. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Johnson [mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:43 AM
>> To: 'C G Estabrook'; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube page.
>> 
>> Carl,
>> 
>> It was a SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC ( Liberal ) Government, NOT an anti-capitalist SOCIALIST government.
>> 
>> As you mentioned in an earlier post, Rosa Luxemburg and Liebknecht were critics of Lenin and the Bolsheviks but they were still anti-capitalists. The type of government they would have created if the German revolution of 1918 / 1919 had not been brutally repressed by Ebert and the Social Democrats ( Liberals ) with the use of the pre-Nazi Freikorp in order to save capitalism, would have been much different ( better ) than what existed in Lenin's Russia. An example of what it may have looked like was the Bavarian Socialist government that was established with Kurt Eisner that lasted a brief time before the Freikorp destroyed it after securing the major cities of Berlin, Hamburg, etc..
>> 
>> David J.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C G Estabrook [mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:41 PM
>> To: David Johnson
>> Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube page.
>> 
>> My specific point is that Luxemburg was murdered on the orders of a socialist government.
>> 
>> It’s undeniable that there have been murderous disputes among groups belonging to the socialist tradition.
>> 
>> "Friedrich Ebert was a German politician of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and the first President of Germany from 1919 until his death in office in 1925 … Some historians have defended Ebert's actions as unfortunate but inevitable if the creation of a socialist state on the model that had been promoted by Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht and the communist Spartacists was to be prevented … [Ebert] has been called a traitor by leftists … whereas those who think his policies were justified claim that he saved Germany from Bolshevik excesses.” [Wikipedia]
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 4:15 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What is your SPECIFIC point Carl ?
>>> 
>>> Are you denying or trying intentionally to confuse the issue of the difference between a REAL Socialist ( anti-capitalist ) and a Social Democrat ( Pro-Capitalist Liberal ) ?
>>> 
>>> David J.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 1:31 PM
>>> To: Karen Aram
>>> Cc: peace; Peace; peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube page.
>>> 
>>> Does this approach the “No true Scotsman” argument? Or does it help us to say what a real critique of capitalism looked like a century ago?
>>> 
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman>
>>> 
>>> —CGE
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Carl: 
>>>> 
>>>> Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert,”
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Social Democrats are NOT real Socialists – They are not anti-capitalists. They want to reform capitalism so it is more humane, but they will go to whatever lengths ( including murder ) to save capitalism. Ebert may have started out socialist, but moved to the right, joining the liberals and conservatives, with the SDP violently opposing the revolution of 1919.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 27, 2018, at 19:43, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Karen—
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you indeed for listening to and commenting on the program. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As you acknowledge, Rosa Luxemburg was indeed murdered by Freikorps at the direction of the socialist government of Friedrich Ebert. She was of course a critic of that government -  from the Left, not from the Right.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chomsky admires Luxemburg’s politics and her critique of Leninism - which is why contemporary Marxist-Leninists attack them both. —CGE
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 27, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David
>>>>>> : Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant
>>>>>> Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Carl:
>>>>>> your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg,
>>>>>> with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic
>>>>>> Party, violently opposed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David:
>>>>>> I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi,
>>>>>> on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.
>>>>>> MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.
>>>>>> The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Peace mailing list
>>>>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net
>>>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Peace mailing list
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>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> 
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> 


From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 02:49:17 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 21:49:17 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune 2 November 2018
Message-ID: <C798F2F8-B842-4600-A39E-9EE505839D8C@gmail.com>

[J. B. Nicholson]  Notes on News from Neptune episode #401 
"Why Vote?” edition

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN6v5JKjQ-U

Links to items mentioned on the show.

Thomas Ferguson & Benjamin Page on "The Economic and Social Roots of Populist Rebellion: Support for Donald Trump in 2016"
https://www.ineteconomics.org/…/the-economic-and-social-roo…

Related: https://theintercept.com/…/the-midterms-are-days-away-what…/-- "The Midterms Are Days Away. What Will Drive Trump Voters: Race or Class?" (Political scientist John Sides debates The Intercept’s senior politics editor Briahna Joy Gray on whether Trump voters were motivated by race or class.)

My answer: Probably class.

Jonathan Cook on "Bolsonaro: a Monster Engineered by Our Media"
https://www.counterpunch.org/…/bolsonaro-a-monster-enginee…/

Max Fischer on "The Weaknesses in Liberal Democracy That May Be Pulling It Apart"
https://www.nytimes.com/…/am…/democracy-brazil-populism.html

Stephen F. Cohen on "Who’s Really ‘Undermining’ American Democracy?"
https://on.rt.com/9hrz
https://www.thenation.com/…/whos-really-undermining-americ…/

The Real News on fascism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROqYhUGvKUo -- with Ben Norton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqcuA26CbOE -- with Paul Jay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LRlOd-Pies

Karen E. Fields and Barbara J. Fields' "RACE CRAFT: The Soul of Inequality in American Life"
Complete text: https://thecharnelhouse.org/…/barbara-j-fields-and-karen-fi…
Interview: https://www.jacobinmag.com/…/karen-barbara-fields-racecraf…/

Dead Pundits Society shows (including Adolph Reed, Jr. episodes)
RSS feed: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/…/soundcloud:users:…/sounds.rss

Adolph Reed, Jr. on "The Trouble With Uplift"
https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-trouble-with-uplift-reed

Bruce Dixon on "How Stupid Do Stacey Abrams, Lucy McBath and Most Other Progressive Democrat Congressional Candidates Think We Are?"
https://blackagendareport.com/how-stupid-do-stacey-abrams-l…

Stacey Abrams on Democracy Now (Amy Goodman pushing identity politics in order to stump for an inadequate candidate we haven't been given good reason to support.)
https://www.democracynow.org/…/meet_stacey_abrams_democrat_…
https://www.democracynow.org/…/oprah_winfrey_campaigns_with…

New York Times on "Yemen Girl Who Turned World’s Eyes to Famine Is Dead"
https://www.nytimes.com/…/yemen-starvation-amal-hussain.html

-J

From brussel at illinois.edu  Sat Nov  3 03:16:27 2018
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 03:16:27 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Preparing for war?
Message-ID: <40A72E0B-0450-4B45-B3E7-D5E083111B91@illinois.edu>

Warning of a dire future. So far, the Russians (and Chinese) have tried to be conciliatory, despite war-preparing behavior by what Saker labels AngloZionism, but that may be changing …

http://www.unz.com/tsaker/a-senior-russian-diplomat-confirms-russia-is-preparing-for-war-is-anybody-listening/

—mkb

From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 14:04:12 2018
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 09:04:12 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE demonstration today, 11/3, 2-4pm,
	Main and Neil in Champaign
Message-ID: <a518e61e-fe76-cca8-ae04-da0b62e21303@gmail.com>

AWARE's monthly demonstration against the wars and US participation in
them returns today,

     Saturday, Nov. 3rd,  2-4PM
     corners of Main and Neil, downtown Champaign

We still have last month's flyers calling for the US to stop helping
Saudi Arabia and the UAE make war in Yemen, which has created the
world's largest humanitarian crisis.

Also relevant, and related, are damaging economic sanctions which the US
is about to re-impose on Iran, after the US unilaterally withdrew from
the multiparty agreement.   

Karen M is bringing signs and flyers.

Hope to see you there.
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From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 09:04:46 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Flyer for today's demo
Message-ID: <589A812C-9826-47E8-BA4D-BFE817EE1845@gmail.com>

Flyer to be distributes at AWARE's regular anti-war demonstration in downtown Champaign on Saturday 3 November, 2-4pm

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 14:10:47 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 09:10:47 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Flyer to be distributed at today's regular anti-war
 demo in downtown Champaign
Message-ID: <C30D70E6-320B-44DC-A604-41407BACFC4E@gmail.com>

WHILE WE ARE  PREOCCUPIED WITH POLITICS AT HOME,
OUR GOVERNMENT IS KILLING PEOPLE 
IN WARS AROUND THE WORLD

International polls show that the United States - not Russia, China, Iran, or Israel - is by far the most feared government in the world. The wars the U.S. is waging in eight countries, and its war provocations against Russia and China, risk a wider - even nuclear - war. 

 ~ Although most Americans are not aware of it, the U.S. government is today making war - and killing people - in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen - principally to control the flow of oil out of the Mideast and North Africa, which the US uses as a weapon against its economic rivals from Germany to China.
 ~ The ongoing drone assassination program - called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - has killed thousands of people (most of them not the presumed targets), including American citizens and hundreds of children.
 ~ More than a quarter of a million American troops are stationed in a thousand U.S. bases on foreign soil, most of them surrounding Russia and China.
 ~ The 70,000-members of the U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ are active in three quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities have included kidnapping (the U.S. government calls it ‘rendition’), torture, and murder. 

Since World War II the United States has killed between 20 and 30 million people in wars (in Korea, Vietnam, the Mideast, and elsewhere) designed to maintain the world-wide economic dominance that the US inherited at the end of World War II, as the only largely undamaged major country.

It is unfortunately the basis of US foreign policy to use war and the threats of war to retard the economic development of Russia and China as competitors to American control of the world economy - from U.S. support for a fascist coup in Ukraine to U.S. naval provocations in the South China Sea and huge NATO military exercises in eastern Europe.

The rest of the world recognizes that the U.S. government is what Martin Luther King called it long ago - “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” 

With other peace groups around the world, we call upon President Trump and our government to close all foreign military bases, bring all U.S. troops (and weapons) home, and provide social supports - including free medical care, education, and a universal basic income - for Americans, who have been made poorer by generations of our government’s wars.

~~~
AWARE, the ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT 
(on Facebook at <AWARE of Champaign-Urbana Illinois>)

Write our representatives in Congress - demand U.S. troops and weapons out of the Mideast 
~ Medicare for all ~ free education through college ~ universal basic income ~

Representative Rodney Davis: <https://rodneydavis.house.gov/contact/>
Senator Tammy Duckworth: <https://www.duckworth.senate.gov/content/contact-senator>
Senator Dick Durbin: <https://www.durbin.senate.gov/contact/email>

###



From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 15:42:10 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 10:42:10 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Peterloo: A film by Mike Leigh
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Friday, 02 November 2018 21:25Peterloo
Written by Mike Wayne
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*Mike Wayne reviews Mike Leigh's new film, a complex, powerful
reconstruction of a key historical moment in the ongoing class struggle of
the British working class.*

Mike Leigh’s only previous foray into historical drama was the 1999 Topsy
Turvey and his films have mostly been small scale, intimate and personal
stories rather than the explicitly political territory Ken Loach is well
known for. And yet with Peterloo, Leigh has made what is arguably his most
accomplished and important work and possibly one of the most significant
works of historical film drama on British history.

Admittedly the subject matter instantly lends the work the potential for
significance, just because this is an example of a story from history which
has not received the attention it deserves, in the popular culture or in
our education system. Here was an episode when the British state responded
with violence towards the working class, who were struggling to establish
something like the substantive and meaningful democracy which the elites
today pretend was there all along. It was not of course and neither was it
graciously handed down by benevolent elites. They were forced to concede
it, under pressure, but they did so having already demonstrated they if
they were pushed too far and too fast, they would not hesitate to respond
with violence.

[image: Peterloo]

In the early years of the nineteenth century the British ruling class were
concerned to produce their own ‘hostile environment’ towards the demands
for democratic representation that were coming from the labouring classes,
especially inspired by the French revolution of 1789. The film begins on
the battlefield of Waterloo (1815) where we meet Joseph, a bugler,
stumbling around half-dazed, surrounded by cannon fire. Joseph will still
be wearing his distinctive red soldier’s coat on a very different
battlefield in St Peter’s Field, Manchester (1819) at the film’s climactic
scene. This visual linking via Joseph of the two battlefields, is the
film’s temporal sleight of hand, as it feels that only a matter of months
had passed rather than four years. It is a brilliant compression and one
example of the way Leigh eschews naturalism for a more pointed construction
of historical and social truth. And here is the true measure of Peterloo’s
significance and achievement. Because while at the level of historical
content any film that recovers a repressed history is welcome, this film,
so richly underpinned by historical research, has marshalled its material
into a formal architecture that does justice to the subject matter.

One of the basic dilemmas that confronted Leigh in telling this story was
that it is unintelligible unless it is understood as a collective story and
a story of different collectives, or classes converging with tragic
consequences at a point in time and space. Yet our storytelling conventions
and habits are largely built around individual heroes whose goals and
actions push things along. As a result our stories do not usually ring true
as historical events. Leigh’s solution is to strike a balance between a
focus on one family who take us into the film initially and who reappear
consistently throughout, and a much wider ensemble of individuals and
groups, many based on the real historical figures involved in the period,
who collectively develop the political action. The family is Joseph’s, and
he returns to it, traumatised by what he has seen. His mother Nellie
(Maxine Peake) is politically aware while his father Joshua works in the
local mills. The family’s difficulties in surviving exemplify how hard life
is and provide the personal evidence of what is at stake. But it is the
confidence the film has to spread its dramaturgy much wider than this
family unit, which is key in developing the social and historical
understanding of what is happening and why.

[image: Peterloo Unit 28491R resized]

An early sequence convinced me that I was already watching a breakthrough
film, when we are introduced to a number of the local magistrates in a
series of vignettes. Here we see them meet out their brutal penalties
(flogging, transportation and hanging) for a series of petty crimes
committed by the impoverished. The fear and loathing of the local
bourgeoisie of the working class is moderated slightly by the national
government and the aristocracy there, and in the army. They are that much
more secure in their rule and confident in their position to urge caution,
although when a potato is hurled at the Prince Regent as he waves to the
crowd, they are quick enough to suspend habeas corpus. So the one essential
ingredient for the compelling realism of this film, that all the key
classes are present and correct, is fulfilled. But there are fine
individual portraits within these ruling class social types, even when the
range of opinions they express falls within the narrow compass of their
prejudices and fears. It is the working-class characters, and to a lesser
extent their liberal middle-class reform allies, who represent a range of
opinion and perspectives on the issues of the day.

This is a film that is very much about the communication of ideas, whether
in the written form (letters, the press) or above all through oral speech.
There are a lot of speeches in this film, the content of which has mostly
been culled from what the real people these characters are based on did
say, according to the historical records. But this does not make the film
dull or like a series of lectures. This is because the speeches are
themselves intrinsically interesting and powerful and in the case of the
working-class characters especially, a treat to hear the eloquence, passion
and politics with which they cognise their situation. But the film is
careful to always have some little drama playing around the speeches to
give them a wider layer of narrative interest. It may be that police spies
are watching, or that there are disagreements between speakers or that
there is some lively interaction between audience and speakers. But there
is also the ever-present potential and actual consequences of communication
and speech as well.

[image: Peterloo Unit 21881R4 resized]

This is a film about the dangers of rhetorical overload. The industrial
bourgeoisie ramp up pressure for a violent reaction to the working class
demands for political reform by their hysterical reports of what the
workers are up to. The young working-class radicals are tempted by
agent-provocateurs to talk of arming the workers, thereby overstepping the
mark and allowing the government to arrest them. Or there are the
rhetorical flourishes of the middle-class leaders of a women’s reform group
whose words go over the heads of the working-class members of the audience.
And when they speak up and talk of their experience during a recent strike,
the middle-class leaders quickly move on.

This last scene points to the internal class tensions between the working
class and the liberal reformers. This is central to the film’s portrayal of
the relationship between Samuel Bamford (a great enthusiastic performance
by Neil Bell) a working class radical and the middle class Wiltshire
landowner Henry Hunt (played by Rory Kinnear, a superb piece of classed
casting). It is Bamford who is instrumental in the film in getting Henry
Hunt invited to address the crowd in St Peter’s Field after he impresses
him with a speech in London. But they fall out when Bamford suggests that
it would be wise to have some small number of men armed with cudgels and
swords on the day in case the forces of ‘law and order’ are unleashed on
them. Hunt, who does not know the situation in the North as well as he does
in London, rejects the idea and subsequently has Bamford banished from the
platform on the day as the vast crowd assemble. How resonant that is now,
when metaphorically the middle class dominate the public media platforms
and the working-class representatives and organic intellectuals are nowhere
to be seen.

[image: PETERLOO credit Entertainment One UK]

It is a touch of genius that in a film full of speeches, we barely hear any
of Henry Hunt’s on the crucial day. This is because it is no longer that
relevant. Of far more importance is the way the local bourgeoisie prepare
to set the Yeomanry and cavalry on the crowd. Bamford’s prescience as to
the possibility of violence and the need for self-defence raises a question
which is all too rare in British political discourse, namely, how to
respond to the violence of the British state. There are no easy answers to
this question as the history of the North of Ireland shows. Yet it is a
question rarely even broached, such is the invisibility of the violence of
the British state within mainstream discourse.

Leigh incidentally has said that he regrets not having Irish Mancunians
play a bigger role in the film, and while it is a shame both for the
historical record and the added layer of contemporary resonance it would
have lent the film, we must also recognise the difficult choices inevitably
involved in bringing this story to the big screen. The final climactic
scene is incredibly shocking even in the absence of the kind of bloody gore
we expect from contemporary films. It is shocking because of the evident
and appalling injustice meted out to the crowd by a ruling class for whom
the workers are deeply inferior. The descendants of that ruling class are
all around us and in their basic attitudes towards the working class, they
have barely made any progress since the nineteenth century. Leigh’s
complex, powerful reconstruction of a moment in the ongoing class war,
needs to be seen and debated widely.


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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  3 18:13:10 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 18:13:10 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Flyer to be distributed at today's
 regular anti-war demo in downtown Champaign
In-Reply-To: <C30D70E6-320B-44DC-A604-41407BACFC4E@gmail.com>
References: <C30D70E6-320B-44DC-A604-41407BACFC4E@gmail.com>
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Carl

The message below is fine, but you implemented it on the AWARE FB page, of a posting of Rodney Davis, feigning interest in his constituents. Thats an underhanded way of promoting Davis as if he was an anti-war candidate, he is not. 


> On Nov 3, 2018, at 07:10, C G Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> WHILE WE ARE  PREOCCUPIED WITH POLITICS AT HOME,
> OUR GOVERNMENT IS KILLING PEOPLE 
> IN WARS AROUND THE WORLD
> 
> International polls show that the United States - not Russia, China, Iran, or Israel - is by far the most feared government in the world. The wars the U.S. is waging in eight countries, and its war provocations against Russia and China, risk a wider - even nuclear - war. 
> 
> ~ Although most Americans are not aware of it, the U.S. government is today making war - and killing people - in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen - principally to control the flow of oil out of the Mideast and North Africa, which the US uses as a weapon against its economic rivals from Germany to China.
> ~ The ongoing drone assassination program - called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - has killed thousands of people (most of them not the presumed targets), including American citizens and hundreds of children.
> ~ More than a quarter of a million American troops are stationed in a thousand U.S. bases on foreign soil, most of them surrounding Russia and China.
> ~ The 70,000-members of the U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ are active in three quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities have included kidnapping (the U.S. government calls it ‘rendition’), torture, and murder. 
> 
> Since World War II the United States has killed between 20 and 30 million people in wars (in Korea, Vietnam, the Mideast, and elsewhere) designed to maintain the world-wide economic dominance that the US inherited at the end of World War II, as the only largely undamaged major country.
> 
> It is unfortunately the basis of US foreign policy to use war and the threats of war to retard the economic development of Russia and China as competitors to American control of the world economy - from U.S. support for a fascist coup in Ukraine to U.S. naval provocations in the South China Sea and huge NATO military exercises in eastern Europe.
> 
> The rest of the world recognizes that the U.S. government is what Martin Luther King called it long ago - “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” 
> 
> With other peace groups around the world, we call upon President Trump and our government to close all foreign military bases, bring all U.S. troops (and weapons) home, and provide social supports - including free medical care, education, and a universal basic income - for Americans, who have been made poorer by generations of our government’s wars.
> 
> ~~~
> AWARE, the ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT 
> (on Facebook at <AWARE of Champaign-Urbana Illinois>)
> 
> Write our representatives in Congress - demand U.S. troops and weapons out of the Mideast 
> ~ Medicare for all ~ free education through college ~ universal basic income ~
> 
> Representative Rodney Davis: <https://rodneydavis.house.gov/contact/>
> Senator Tammy Duckworth: <https://www.duckworth.senate.gov/content/contact-senator>
> Senator Dick Durbin: <https://www.durbin.senate.gov/contact/email>
> 
> ###
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Peace at lists.chambana.net
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 22:02:13 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 17:02:13 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Incident during demo this afternoon
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyES0cU_eUCwMrhhP-rSKqM0LAx+dwgAwF=qR-_nFtd0Qw@mail.gmail.com>

At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The military
does not protect my "freedom."

Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the
southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me
and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to
drop the sign.

I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate the
issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for
caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the
police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down
Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I
told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I
obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).

I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took
several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and
descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including
even my height and weight.

He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he had
not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.

David Green
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  3 22:23:45 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 22:23:45 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
In-Reply-To: <CAOiGAyES0cU_eUCwMrhhP-rSKqM0LAx+dwgAwF=qR-_nFtd0Qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiGAyES0cU_eUCwMrhhP-rSKqM0LAx+dwgAwF=qR-_nFtd0Qw@mail.gmail.com>
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David

So sorry you had to go through that, a description of the couple would be helpful, so next month they can be avoided if seen. Sorry, also I wasn’t there, she pushed a man, but likely wouldn’t push a woman, knowing there might be consequences. 

I once had an 8 or 10 year old girl, kick my sign, it was in the seventy’s while protesting on behalf of farm workers, in front of the Safeway in DC. She kept kicking it, and wouldn’t stop when I told her to do so. It was a cloth sign held close to the ground, so there was nothing I could do. She had a gang of girls behind her, and she was determined to prove how tough she was. It was a tough neighborhood, and I wasn’t about to get into a fight with a little girl, nor was I going to allow myself to be bullied by one either. When she challenged by asking me, “what was I going to do about it," as she kicked it again. I told her to “meet me in the parking lot at 4:00PM,” it was 3:00, I told her she’d better be there, and she said the same to me as she and her friends left. I got the hell out of there by 3:30, because sometimes its best not to engage. Sun Tzu 101

PS 20:30?



> On Nov 3, 2018, at 15:02, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The military does not protect my "freedom."
> 
> Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to drop the sign.
> 
> I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
> 
> I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including even my height and weight.
> 
> He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
> 
> David Green
> _______________________________________________
> Peace mailing list
> Peace at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace


From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 22:44:40 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 17:44:40 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR08MB2382068E771081E91C741E9CA3C80@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAOiGAyES0cU_eUCwMrhhP-rSKqM0LAx+dwgAwF=qR-_nFtd0Qw@mail.gmail.com>
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No reason to believe they'll ever show up again, just a random thing I
would guess. I did give a description of her to the officer. Nothing will
come of it.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:23 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:

> David
>
> So sorry you had to go through that, a description of the couple would be
> helpful, so next month they can be avoided if seen. Sorry, also I wasn’t
> there, she pushed a man, but likely wouldn’t push a woman, knowing there
> might be consequences.
>
> I once had an 8 or 10 year old girl, kick my sign, it was in the seventy’s
> while protesting on behalf of farm workers, in front of the Safeway in DC.
> She kept kicking it, and wouldn’t stop when I told her to do so. It was a
> cloth sign held close to the ground, so there was nothing I could do. She
> had a gang of girls behind her, and she was determined to prove how tough
> she was. It was a tough neighborhood, and I wasn’t about to get into a
> fight with a little girl, nor was I going to allow myself to be bullied by
> one either. When she challenged by asking me, “what was I going to do about
> it," as she kicked it again. I told her to “meet me in the parking lot at
> 4:00PM,” it was 3:00, I told her she’d better be there, and she said the
> same to me as she and her friends left. I got the hell out of there by
> 3:30, because sometimes its best not to engage. Sun Tzu 101
>
> PS 20:30?
>
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 2018, at 15:02, David Green via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The
> military does not protect my "freedom."
> >
> > Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the
> southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me
> and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to
> drop the sign.
> >
> > I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate
> the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for
> caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the
> police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down
> Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I
> told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I
> obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
> >
> > I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took
> several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and
> descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including
> even my height and weight.
> >
> > He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he
> had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
> >
> > David Green
> > _______________________________________________
> > Peace mailing list
> > Peace at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  3 22:58:34 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 22:58:34 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
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David

My experience with a child, wasn’t to diminish what took place to you today, but rather to point out how disturbing it is when something like this happens. We are usually approached by people who are genuinely supportive and appreciate what we’re doing, so when someone is rude and abusive, it leaves us a bit shaken. I was shaken by a kid, and I still remember it, from long ago. We are usually demonstrating on behalf of others, their welfare, for peace, so violence is the last thing we want or expect. If anyone thinks they are deterring us from our cause, by their actions, they are so very wrong.


On Nov 3, 2018, at 15:44, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com<mailto:davidgreen50 at gmail.com>> wrote:

No reason to believe they'll ever show up again, just a random thing I would guess. I did give a description of her to the officer. Nothing will come of it.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:23 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
David

So sorry you had to go through that, a description of the couple would be helpful, so next month they can be avoided if seen. Sorry, also I wasn’t there, she pushed a man, but likely wouldn’t push a woman, knowing there might be consequences.

I once had an 8 or 10 year old girl, kick my sign, it was in the seventy’s while protesting on behalf of farm workers, in front of the Safeway in DC. She kept kicking it, and wouldn’t stop when I told her to do so. It was a cloth sign held close to the ground, so there was nothing I could do. She had a gang of girls behind her, and she was determined to prove how tough she was. It was a tough neighborhood, and I wasn’t about to get into a fight with a little girl, nor was I going to allow myself to be bullied by one either. When she challenged by asking me, “what was I going to do about it," as she kicked it again. I told her to “meet me in the parking lot at 4:00PM,” it was 3:00, I told her she’d better be there, and she said the same to me as she and her friends left. I got the hell out of there by 3:30, because sometimes its best not to engage. Sun Tzu 101

PS 20:30?



> On Nov 3, 2018, at 15:02, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
> At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The military does not protect my "freedom."
>
> Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to drop the sign.
>
> I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
>
> I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including even my height and weight.
>
> He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
>
> David Green
> _______________________________________________
> Peace mailing list
> Peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:Peace at lists.chambana.net>
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace


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From ewj at pigs.ag  Sun Nov  4 00:23:54 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2018 08:23:54 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Incident during demo this afternoon
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obviously one of those loony Killary supporters acting on their orders to not be civil...

On Nov 4, 2018, 06:02, at 06:02, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The
>military
>does not protect my "freedom."
>
>Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the
>southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up
>to me
>and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me
>to
>drop the sign.
>
>I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate
>the
>issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for
>caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked
>the
>police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them
>down
>Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot.
>I
>told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to.
>I
>obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
>
>I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took
>several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident
>and
>descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info,
>including
>even my height and weight.
>
>He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he
>had
>not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
>
>David Green
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 02:58:39 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:58:39 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
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It will take me a few days to get over being shaken and angry by this
violent incident. I was so horrified that I didn't have the wherewithal to
either laugh at her or punch her in the face. That's probably for the best.
The man whom she was with in a way facilitated the whole scene. It's hard
to imagine that she would do what she did without him standing there and
trying to make light of it. A very ugly scene, unlike anything I've seen
since 2003.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:58 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> David
>
> My experience with a child, wasn’t to diminish what took place to you
> today, but rather to point out how disturbing it is when something like
> this happens. We are usually approached by people who are genuinely
> supportive and appreciate what we’re doing, so when someone is rude and
> abusive, it leaves us a bit shaken. I was shaken by a kid, and I still
> remember it, from long ago. We are usually demonstrating on behalf of
> others, their welfare, for peace, so violence is the last thing we want or
> expect. If anyone thinks they are deterring us from our cause, by their
> actions, they are so very wrong.
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2018, at 15:44, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No reason to believe they'll ever show up again, just a random thing I
> would guess. I did give a description of her to the officer. Nothing will
> come of it.
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:23 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David
>>
>> So sorry you had to go through that, a description of the couple would be
>> helpful, so next month they can be avoided if seen. Sorry, also I wasn’t
>> there, she pushed a man, but likely wouldn’t push a woman, knowing there
>> might be consequences.
>>
>> I once had an 8 or 10 year old girl, kick my sign, it was in the
>> seventy’s while protesting on behalf of farm workers, in front of the
>> Safeway in DC. She kept kicking it, and wouldn’t stop when I told her to do
>> so. It was a cloth sign held close to the ground, so there was nothing I
>> could do. She had a gang of girls behind her, and she was determined to
>> prove how tough she was. It was a tough neighborhood, and I wasn’t about to
>> get into a fight with a little girl, nor was I going to allow myself to be
>> bullied by one either. When she challenged by asking me, “what was I going
>> to do about it," as she kicked it again. I told her to “meet me in the
>> parking lot at 4:00PM,” it was 3:00, I told her she’d better be there, and
>> she said the same to me as she and her friends left. I got the hell out of
>> there by 3:30, because sometimes its best not to engage. Sun Tzu 101
>>
>> PS 20:30?
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 3, 2018, at 15:02, David Green via Peace <
>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The
>> military does not protect my "freedom."
>> >
>> > Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the
>> southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me
>> and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to
>> drop the sign.
>> >
>> > I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate
>> the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for
>> caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the
>> police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down
>> Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I
>> told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I
>> obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
>> >
>> > I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took
>> several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and
>> descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including
>> even my height and weight.
>> >
>> > He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he
>> had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
>> >
>> > David Green
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Peace mailing list
>> > Peace at lists.chambana.net
>> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>>
>>
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  4 12:02:38 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 12:02:38 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
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Exactly, she had a man to back her up, make her feel strong and empowered, but she also knew that a man demonstrating on behalf of peace would likely not fight back and she could do as she wished and get away with it. Very representational, the USG with our weapons.

It’s going to take a while to get over such an ugly incident. Things have gotten much uglier and more violent since 2003, just as the USG has gotten uglier and meaner, destroying so many lives since 2003.

 Your sign was absolutely correct, the US military has not protected us, in fact it has left us all more vulnerable, with every nation we destroy, with the millions of lives we’ve destroyed, we have created more hatred from others. With more funding going to support the military, not individual soldiers but weapons, contractors etc, less is available for social services, creating more poverty every day.

Take care, but don’t give up fighting for peace, many are with you.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 19:58, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com<mailto:davidgreen50 at gmail.com>> wrote:

It will take me a few days to get over being shaken and angry by this violent incident. I was so horrified that I didn't have the wherewithal to either laugh at her or punch her in the face. That's probably for the best. The man whom she was with in a way facilitated the whole scene. It's hard to imagine that she would do what she did without him standing there and trying to make light of it. A very ugly scene, unlike anything I've seen since 2003.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:58 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:


David

My experience with a child, wasn’t to diminish what took place to you today, but rather to point out how disturbing it is when something like this happens. We are usually approached by people who are genuinely supportive and appreciate what we’re doing, so when someone is rude and abusive, it leaves us a bit shaken. I was shaken by a kid, and I still remember it, from long ago. We are usually demonstrating on behalf of others, their welfare, for peace, so violence is the last thing we want or expect. If anyone thinks they are deterring us from our cause, by their actions, they are so very wrong.


On Nov 3, 2018, at 15:44, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com<mailto:davidgreen50 at gmail.com>> wrote:

No reason to believe they'll ever show up again, just a random thing I would guess. I did give a description of her to the officer. Nothing will come of it.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:23 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
David

So sorry you had to go through that, a description of the couple would be helpful, so next month they can be avoided if seen. Sorry, also I wasn’t there, she pushed a man, but likely wouldn’t push a woman, knowing there might be consequences.

I once had an 8 or 10 year old girl, kick my sign, it was in the seventy’s while protesting on behalf of farm workers, in front of the Safeway in DC. She kept kicking it, and wouldn’t stop when I told her to do so. It was a cloth sign held close to the ground, so there was nothing I could do. She had a gang of girls behind her, and she was determined to prove how tough she was. It was a tough neighborhood, and I wasn’t about to get into a fight with a little girl, nor was I going to allow myself to be bullied by one either. When she challenged by asking me, “what was I going to do about it," as she kicked it again. I told her to “meet me in the parking lot at 4:00PM,” it was 3:00, I told her she’d better be there, and she said the same to me as she and her friends left. I got the hell out of there by 3:30, because sometimes its best not to engage. Sun Tzu 101

PS 20:30?



> On Nov 3, 2018, at 15:02, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
> At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The military does not protect my "freedom."
>
> Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to drop the sign.
>
> I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
>
> I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including even my height and weight.
>
> He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
>
> David Green
> _______________________________________________
> Peace mailing list
> Peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:Peace at lists.chambana.net>
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace



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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 12:17:00 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 06:17:00 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
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And we think that our demonstrations have no effect…

Sorry you had to put up with this, David, but it’s certainly worthwhile. Thanks.


> On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:02 PM, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The military does not protect my "freedom."
> 
> Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to drop the sign.
> 
> I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
> 
> I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including even my height and weight.
> 
> He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
> 
> David Green
> _______________________________________________
> Peace mailing list
> Peace at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace


From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 16:56:03 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 10:56:03 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
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I think it's telling that when we hold up signs against war, the reactions
are generally positive. There were certainly positive reactions to my
anti-military sign yesterday, but when you bring in the military, that
triggers a certain group of people. Our media propaganda has, for obvious
reasons, managed to separate the military from the crimes of the state. The
profession of military innocence, evidenced by the flyover that apparently
occurred before the football game (about 2:25 when we were already out
there), is a case in point. There were two or three nasty drive-by comments
even before this incident, which is untypical of our demonstrations over
the past couple of years.

DG

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 6:17 AM C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:

> And we think that our demonstrations have no effect…
>
> Sorry you had to put up with this, David, but it’s certainly worthwhile.
> Thanks.
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:02 PM, David Green via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The
> military does not protect my "freedom."
> >
> > Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the
> southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me
> and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to
> drop the sign.
> >
> > I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate
> the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for
> caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the
> police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down
> Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I
> told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I
> obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
> >
> > I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took
> several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and
> descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including
> even my height and weight.
> >
> > He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he
> had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
> >
> > David Green
> > _______________________________________________
> > Peace mailing list
> > Peace at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>
>
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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Sun Nov  4 17:00:53 2018
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 11:00:53 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
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You should have followed them anyway at a " safe " distance and got their license plate number, as well as - make, color and model of their car.  And if possible, cell phone footage of the people and their vehicle, and people from AWARE who were there prepared to be witnesses.
The cop intentionally gave you the wrong advise because now they can say that they don't know who to go after.
Don't think the cops are unbiased. We learned that isn't the case back in 2003 at the demos  on North Prospect when the cops refused to do anything about the manager of the Tire store physically assaulting 82 year old Bob Wahlfeld.
Live and learn.
And I understand, if this has never happened to you before, one is not certain about what should be done. Not to mention the shock and disbelief of the incident itself.

David J.

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From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 6:17 AM
To: David Green
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And we think that our demonstrations have no effect…

Sorry you had to put up with this, David, but it’s certainly worthwhile. Thanks.


> On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:02 PM, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The military does not protect my "freedom."
> 
> Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to drop the sign.
> 
> I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
> 
> I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including even my height and weight.
> 
> He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
> 
> David Green
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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Sun Nov  4 17:11:12 2018
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 11:11:12 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: My yard sign
In-Reply-To: <CA+KvURuEFkhFpudsv54GrXKkSuBJ+c+_KpyF-Xpxwka2v7QgLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+KvURs9ViG5uANq9VqifNHqD+jvYjG31k+_KcRRHEBLgedVNg@mail.gmail.com>
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On a lighter note,

 

A Plumber friend of mine just now sent this to me, and I could not help myself, but I just had to share it with everyone.

 

David J.

 

 

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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 18:19:32 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 12:19:32 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
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Thanks David; it's hard to be prepared to be rational when a situation gets
out of control. It would have been easy for me to follow them at a safe
distance; but the 911 officer I had on the phone was adamant, and I
"followed orders." And of course situations like that create paradoxes in
terms of relying on the police.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 11:01 AM David Johnson via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> You should have followed them anyway at a " safe " distance and got their
> license plate number, as well as - make, color and model of their car.  And
> if possible, cell phone footage of the people and their vehicle, and people
> from AWARE who were there prepared to be witnesses.
> The cop intentionally gave you the wrong advise because now they can say
> that they don't know who to go after.
> Don't think the cops are unbiased. We learned that isn't the case back in
> 2003 at the demos  on North Prospect when the cops refused to do anything
> about the manager of the Tire store physically assaulting 82 year old Bob
> Wahlfeld.
> Live and learn.
> And I understand, if this has never happened to you before, one is not
> certain about what should be done. Not to mention the shock and disbelief
> of the incident itself.
>
> David J.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On
> Behalf Of C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 6:17 AM
> To: David Green
> Cc: Peace Discuss; peace
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
>
> And we think that our demonstrations have no effect…
>
> Sorry you had to put up with this, David, but it’s certainly worthwhile.
> Thanks.
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:02 PM, David Green via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The
> military does not protect my "freedom."
> >
> > Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the
> southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me
> and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to
> drop the sign.
> >
> > I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate
> the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for
> caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the
> police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down
> Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I
> told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I
> obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
> >
> > I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took
> several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and
> descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including
> even my height and weight.
> >
> > He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he
> had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
> >
> > David Green
> > _______________________________________________
> > Peace mailing list
> > Peace at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>
> _______________________________________________
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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Sun Nov  4 19:58:34 2018
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 13:58:34 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
In-Reply-To: <CAOiGAyHtsyt5=mRBxHwVkq-nPy9SkMeCdTRmqHjqUO-dkq3XNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiGAyES0cU_eUCwMrhhP-rSKqM0LAx+dwgAwF=qR-_nFtd0Qw@mail.gmail.com>
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Indeed David,

 

Your reaction was totally understandable under the stressful circumstances that occurred.

 

David J.

 

From: David Green [mailto:davidgreen50 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 12:20 PM
To: David Johnson
Cc: C G Estabrook; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon

 

Thanks David; it's hard to be prepared to be rational when a situation gets out of control. It would have been easy for me to follow them at a safe distance; but the 911 officer I had on the phone was adamant, and I "followed orders." And of course situations like that create paradoxes in terms of relying on the police.

 

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 11:01 AM David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

You should have followed them anyway at a " safe " distance and got their license plate number, as well as - make, color and model of their car.  And if possible, cell phone footage of the people and their vehicle, and people from AWARE who were there prepared to be witnesses.
The cop intentionally gave you the wrong advise because now they can say that they don't know who to go after.
Don't think the cops are unbiased. We learned that isn't the case back in 2003 at the demos  on North Prospect when the cops refused to do anything about the manager of the Tire store physically assaulting 82 year old Bob Wahlfeld.
Live and learn.
And I understand, if this has never happened to you before, one is not certain about what should be done. Not to mention the shock and disbelief of the incident itself.

David J.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 6:17 AM
To: David Green
Cc: Peace Discuss; peace
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon

And we think that our demonstrations have no effect…

Sorry you had to put up with this, David, but it’s certainly worthwhile. Thanks.


> On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:02 PM, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The military does not protect my "freedom."
> 
> Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to drop the sign.
> 
> I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
> 
> I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including even my height and weight.
> 
> He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
> 
> David Green
> _______________________________________________
> Peace mailing list
> Peace at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace

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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Mon Nov  5 03:33:02 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 03:33:02 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] My quest for personal identity
Message-ID: <D882C188-1896-4C42-B3C1-00134794B620@illinois.edu>

Help! I’m not sure what to believe or to do, & who to vote for, because I’m uncertain which tribe I belong to.  But it occurred to me that surely the brilliant, all-knowing pundits on this site can help me with my identity crisis.
(1) Am I one of “the People”?  (Are you? How do you know?)  Who has the right to decide this?  And on what basis?
(2) Am I a member of the “Working Class”?
Poor me, I was born on a dark & stormy night in a cabin in the deepest woods of central Illinois.  Both my parents were educated only thru the 8th grade. We were sharecropping farmers throughout my childhood. We never could afford to have any dental work done.  I milked cows before & after school every day while in high school. I still have dirt under my fingernails & a red neck due to sunburn from field work (cultivating corn, loading & stacking bales of hay on a wagon pulled behind an IH twine-tie baler — over 1,000 bales one day).  I went to a third-rate college, the cheapest one available at the time.  I was drafted for two years in the US Army, serving at Fort Carson CO, Aberdeen Proving Ground MD, & Fort Myer VA, rising from the lowest enlisted rank to the next-lowest (PFC?).
So am I not in fact clearly & obviously an oppressed victim of society, capitalism, wage slavery, class bias and middle-class morality?
Or am I ineligible to be a member pf the WC because of my bad attitude, disingenuous statements, erroneous opinions & obvious lack of wisdom & virtue, such as true, authentic members of the WC are said to have?   Unless, of course, they have been misled & victimized by FAKE NEWS & the vicious lies & nonsense of the Deep State conspiracy of the American Political Elite (APE) which controls the Mainstream Media (MSM), etc.
I’m looking forward to deliverance & enlightenment from this site’s resident arbiters of TRUTH and REALITY when they pronounce upon the real issue, the real question, & the real reason for my perplexity.

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 12:55:27 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 06:55:27 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] My quest for personal identity
In-Reply-To: <D882C188-1896-4C42-B3C1-00134794B620@illinois.edu>
References: <D882C188-1896-4C42-B3C1-00134794B620@illinois.edu>
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Ron, you needn’t worry. The brilliant US political system - obviously the best in the world (indeed, the only good one in the world) - provides a solution to your difficulty. There are two political organizations - traditions, really - and you’re free to choose been them. You can be a Republican or a Democrat, and each offers a complete list of lodgments for your votes. 

Whichever you choose, you can be confident that you join serious and wise people with the good of the whole country - and the world (which they run) - in mind.  The other party of course in controlled by self-seeking poltroons who will bring us all to ruin, if given power. 

Of course there are always subversives and ‘gatekeepers’ like Noam Chomsky, who say things like, "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.”

But they can be disregarded, because the Other Party is so dangerous. —CGE


> On Nov 4, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Help! I’m not sure what to believe or to do, & who to vote for, because I’m uncertain which tribe I belong to.  But it occurred to me that surely the brilliant, all-knowing pundits on this site can help me with my identity crisis.  
> (1) Am I one of “the People”?  (Are you? How do you know?)  Who has the right to decide this?  And on what basis? 
> (2) Am I a member of the “Working Class”?
> Poor me, I was born on a dark & stormy night in a cabin in the deepest woods of central Illinois.  Both my parents were educated only thru the 8th grade. We were sharecropping farmers throughout my childhood. We never could afford to have any dental work done.  I milked cows before & after school every day while in high school. I still have dirt under my fingernails & a red neck due to sunburn from field work (cultivating corn, loading & stacking bales of hay on a wagon pulled behind an IH twine-tie baler — over 1,000 bales one day).  I went to a third-rate college, the cheapest one available at the time.  I was drafted for two years in the US Army, serving at Fort Carson CO, Aberdeen Proving Ground MD, & Fort Myer VA, rising from the lowest enlisted rank to the next-lowest (PFC?).  
> So am I not in fact clearly & obviously an oppressed victim of society, capitalism, wage slavery, class bias and middle-class morality? 
> Or am I ineligible to be a member pf the WC because of my bad attitude, disingenuous statements, erroneous opinions & obvious lack of wisdom & virtue, such as true, authentic members of the WC are said to have?   Unless, of course, they have been misled & victimized by FAKE NEWS & the vicious lies & nonsense of the Deep State conspiracy of the American Political Elite (APE) which controls the Mainstream Media (MSM), etc. 
> I’m looking forward to deliverance & enlightenment from this site’s resident arbiters of TRUTH and REALITY when they pronounce upon the real issue, the real question, & the real reason for my perplexity.  
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Mon Nov  5 13:08:35 2018
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 07:08:35 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] My quest for personal identity
In-Reply-To: <D882C188-1896-4C42-B3C1-00134794B620@illinois.edu>
References: <D882C188-1896-4C42-B3C1-00134794B620@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <007201d47508$a942ea30$fbc8be90$@comcast.net>

Of all of the neo-liberal propaganda garbage I have seen in the last several years, this statement has to be one of the worst !

 

David J.

 

From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 9:33 PM
To: Peace Discuss
Cc: Bill Strutz
Subject: [Peace-discuss] My quest for personal identity

 

Help! I’m not sure what to believe or to do, & who to vote for, because I’m uncertain which tribe I belong to.  But it occurred to me that surely the brilliant, all-knowing pundits on this site can help me with my identity crisis.  

(1) Am I one of “the People”?  (Are you? How do you know?)  Who has the right to decide this?  And on what basis? 

(2) Am I a member of the “Working Class”?

Poor me, I was born on a dark & stormy night in a cabin in the deepest woods of central Illinois.  Both my parents were educated only thru the 8th grade. We were sharecropping farmers throughout my childhood. We never could afford to have any dental work done.  I milked cows before & after school every day while in high school. I still have dirt under my fingernails & a red neck due to sunburn from field work (cultivating corn, loading & stacking bales of hay on a wagon pulled behind an IH twine-tie baler — over 1,000 bales one day).  I went to a third-rate college, the cheapest one available at the time.  I was drafted for two years in the US Army, serving at Fort Carson CO, Aberdeen Proving Ground MD, & Fort Myer VA, rising from the lowest enlisted rank to the next-lowest (PFC?).  

So am I not in fact clearly & obviously an oppressed victim of society, capitalism, wage slavery, class bias and middle-class morality? 

Or am I ineligible to be a member pf the WC because of my bad attitude, disingenuous statements, erroneous opinions & obvious lack of wisdom & virtue, such as true, authentic members of the WC are said to have?   Unless, of course, they have been misled & victimized by FAKE NEWS & the vicious lies & nonsense of the Deep State conspiracy of the American Political Elite (APE) which controls the Mainstream Media (MSM), etc. 

I’m looking forward to deliverance & enlightenment from this site’s resident arbiters of TRUTH and REALITY when they pronounce upon the real issue, the real question, & the real reason for my perplexity.  

 

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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Mon Nov  5 13:10:07 2018
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 07:10:07 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: [New post] If US Politics Were Real,
	A Massive Blue Wave Would Be 100% Certain
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From: Caitlin Johnstone [mailto:donotreply at wordpress.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 8:00 PM
To: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net
Subject: [New post] If US Politics Were Real, A Massive Blue Wave Would Be 100% Certain

 


Caitlin Johnstone posted: "I haven't been writing about the US midterms much, because I don't care about that nonsense anymore. The whole thing's a fake pro wrestling performance staged every couple of years to give a heavily armed populace the illusory sense that they have some de" 



	

 



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by  <https://caitlinjohnstone.com/?author=2> Caitlin Johnstone 

I haven't been writing about the US midterms much, because I don't care about that nonsense anymore. The whole thing's a fake pro wrestling performance staged every couple of years to give a heavily armed populace the illusory sense that they have some degree of control over the things their government does.

By this I do not mean that the votes aren't real or that the outcomes are predetermined, I simply mean that both mainstream parties are controlled by plutocrats who benefit from the status quo and are only interested in their own power and profit. No matter who wins on Tuesday, the wars are guaranteed to continue, the oligarchs are guaranteed to keep siphoning more and more money out of the pockets of ordinary Americans, opaque and unaccountable intelligence agencies are guaranteed to continue expanding intrusive surveillance practices and narrative control psyops in collaboration with powerful Silicon Valley corporations, and we're guaranteed to keep hurtling toward climate catastrophe on the back of an economic system which requires infinite growth on a finite planet. The only thing that might change a tiny bit is America maybe temporarily having a government which pretends to care about oppressed minorities sometimes.

But there's a sharp tension in the air about this performance. Whenever I mention how it's all an act staged to profit nobody but Vince McMahon, I get a bunch of people yelling and cursing at me, with even those those who kind of know it's fake saying "Okay, but you still gotta cheer for The Undertaker though, come on!"

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That tension is there because on paper the outcome of the 2018 midterms is still uncertain. The slight lead Democrats held in polls  <http://fortune.com/2018/11/04/democrat-lead-narrows-us-midterms-poll/> has narrowed further today, with  <https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/10/how-trump-is-winning-the-midterm-elections.html> some analysts going so far as to predict Republicans retaining control of both houses.

Which is, on its surface, bizarre. It is bizarre not only because a new president  <https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/sep/07/mary-jordan/do-presidents-always-get-shellacked-midterm-electi/> almost always takes congressional losses at this point in their administration (the only exceptions being the historically significant years of 1934 and 2002), but also because the Republican Party is under the leadership of  <https://news.gallup.com/poll/197231/trump-clinton-finish-historically-poor-images.aspx> the most despised presidential candidate of all time.

If US politics were real, this would not be happening. If the Democratic Party were a real political party, a party which advances popular agendas in order to get its members elected to the government the way kids are taught in school, it would be on the cusp of a massive landslide of victories in both the House and the Senate, instead praying Hail Marys that they at least gain a slight advantage in the House. The last two years would have been spent promoting the virally popular agendas of the Bernie Sanders movement like single payer healthcare and getting money out of politics, after a thorough and radically honest autopsy of everything that went so catastrophically wrong in 2016.

Instead, what did Democrats do? They spent the last two years babbling about Russiagate conspiracy theories, and then in a tacit admission that they've never believed a word of that nonsense suddenly  <https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-2018-midterms-interference/> went completely silent on the issue before midterms and switched to the "We're not Trump" platform. Oh yeah, and they're  <https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1058406300302929920> telling Green Party candidates to drop out.

Democrats before elections: GREENS MUST DROP OUT OR WE'LL LOSE TO REPUBLICANS
Democrats after elections: We can't make the changes you're asking for or we'll lose to Republicans
Democrats when they move further to the right: Yeah but look the Republicans moved right too somehow  <https://t.co/owqzCZpXZF> https://t.co/owqzCZpXZF

— Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz)  <https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1059172891760066560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw> November 4, 2018

Democrats have done almost nothing in the last two years to fight the Republicans in any way that will ensure victory. Using his personal Twitter account, conservative media lackeys and an army of sycophants, Trump has completely dominated the narrative that his presidency has been a godsend for the economy. Fighting this narrative should have been Democrats' first and foremost priority from day one, which would have been extremely easy to do since the narrative  <https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/24/17759940/donald-trump-economy-jobs-growth-obama> is entirely false. Job growth has continued on the trajectory it's been on since 2012 and ordinary Americans don't have any more money in their pockets than before; the wealth has stayed at the top no matter how much the economy has grown. An entirely factual counter-narrative about money being siphoned upward to the dollar-hoarding billionaire class with the help of Republican tax cuts would have been an extremely easy sell, but hardly anybody has attempted to do this.

Or war. It's simply taken for granted that Democrats aren't going to campaign against war, but how easy would it be for them to win elections if they did? There is no shortage of footage and statistics which could be used to attack this administration's unforgivable rate of civilian casualties from airstrikes, its expansion of military presence in Syria, Afghanistan and Africa, its horrifying escalations against a nuclear superpower in Russia, its continued facilitation of the worst humanitarian crisis in the world in Yemen, and its depraved implementation of starvation sanctions against Iran. Democrats could have been shoving these horrors into the public eye since January 2017 and it would have not only galvanized liberals and leftists against Trump but also crippled his appeal with the anti-interventionist paleocons, libertarians and nationalists on the right. But, of course, they did not, because that would have alienated their war profiteer sponsors.

Instead of advancing popular positions to win the votes of the majority as kids are taught happens in school, all Democrats are doing currently is attacking the Republicans over Trump's obnoxious tweets and generally successful anti-immigrant fearmongering. Since both parties support all oligarchic agendas in essentially the same ways, the only wiggle room Democrats have left is on issues the billionaire class doesn't care about, like racism and other forms of bigotry. Plutocrats don't care if gay people get married or if the president says racist things, they only care about power and profit, so civil rights and opposition to racism are the only means by which Democrats can significantly distinguish themselves from Republicans in a way that helps them get elected. The fact that both parties support the same oligarchic agendas which hurt disadvantaged groups first and worst goes unmentioned by either side.

New on MoA:
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— Moon of Alabama (@MoonofA)  <https://twitter.com/MoonofA/status/1057352323507412992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw> October 30, 2018

It was telling when the Democrats lost to the single most beatable presidential candidate of all time in 2016. It was even more telling that they chose to spend two years spouting gibberish about Russia instead of building an actual platform with actual positions that actual people care about. The fact that there is any doubt whatsoever about the donkey party making gains in 2018 proves conclusively that they have been making zero effort to help advance the interests of Americans.

They do not care. It should be as clear as day to everyone by now. And why don't they care? Because a pro wrestler gets paid the same whether his character wins the match or loses it.

US politics work nothing remotely like how kids are taught in school. The difference is night and day. If the American education system really wanted kids to learn about the way their electoral system actually functions, teachers would bribe student government candidates with Monopoly money to betray the interests of their classmates, and whichever candidate accepted the most bribes would get advertised on the school PA system as the clear and obvious choice to vote for.

By all means go ahead and vote on Tuesday, my American readers, in whatever way you feel might make some difference. But please also remember that you are ultimately participating in a game rigged for your oppressors, and that you deserve a much better system than this.

That's where the real fight is.

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From moboct1 at aim.com  Mon Nov  5 13:37:41 2018
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 13:37:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon
References: <979610715.815912.1541425061364.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <979610715.815912.1541425061364@mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I heard the Air Farce (pun intended) asshole bombers take off from Willard Friday (I guess to announce their arrival) and Saturday during the game and I thought about the poor souls in the ME (especially Yemenis) who hear hundreds of those damn planes in their skies day AND night, knowing that they're on a bombing mission to somewhere--maybe on them!  Talk about noise pollution.  Wonder whose idea that was to have make their presence (invasion) on the entire community (maybe the bringback"the"chieftans).
Midge

-----Original Message-----
From: David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>
Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Sun, Nov 4, 2018 10:56 am
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Incident during demo this afternoon

I think it's telling that when we hold up signs against war, the reactions are generally positive. There were certainly positive reactions to my anti-military sign yesterday, but when you bring in the military, that triggers a certain group of people. Our media propaganda has, for obvious reasons, managed to separate the military from the crimes of the state. The profession of military innocence, evidenced by the flyover that apparently occurred before the football game (about 2:25 when we were already out there), is a case in point. There were two or three nasty drive-by comments even before this incident, which is untypical of our demonstrations over the past couple of years.
DG
On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 6:17 AM C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:

And we think that our demonstrations have no effect…

Sorry you had to put up with this, David, but it’s certainly worthwhile. Thanks.


> On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:02 PM, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> At the demonstration this afternoon I picked a sign that said "The military does not protect my "freedom."
> 
> Sometime after 20:30, A middle aged woman and man crossed Neil to the southeast corner of Neil and Main where I was standing. She walked up to me and firmly shoved the sign, knocking me slightly backwards causing me to drop the sign.
> 
> I accused her of assault, and while she and and the man tried to debate the issue with me, I called 911. The fellow implied that I was wimpish for caring about being shoved by a woman. They stood there while I asked the police to send a squad car over. While on the phone, I followed them down Main Street going east, and watched them turn into the PNC parking lot. I told the 911 officer that I was following them, and he told me not to. I obeyed his orders (I regret doing so).
> 
> I went back to the corner and waited for a police officer, which took several minutes. An officer came and took my account of the incident and descriptions of them. He also of course took my personal info, including even my height and weight.
> 
> He proceeded to drive around for a while and returned to report that he had not sighted them. No further action was advised or promised by him.
> 
> David Green
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Tue Nov  6 03:03:46 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 03:03:46 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] keywords 110518
Message-ID: <662778A2-29A3-44F7-B3C2-04FF22C0B41B@illinois.edu>

Keywords  110518
A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics

par·a·noid  (păr′ə-noid′)
adj.
1. Psychiatry Relating to, characteristic of, or affected with paranoia.
2. Exhibiting or characterized by irrational distrust or suspicion of others: a paranoid fear that the police car was following him.
3. Experiencing or displaying intense anxiety or worry: paranoid about catching the flu.
n.
One affected with paranoia.

schiz•oid (ˈskɪt sɔɪd)
adj.
1. of or pertaining to a personality disorder marked by dissociation, passivity, and indifference to praise or criticism.
2. of or pertaining to schizophrenia or to multiple personality.
n.
3. a schizoid person.

cal·li·pyg·i·an  (kăl′ə-pĭj′ē-ən) also cal·li·py·gous (-pī′gəs)
adj.
Relating to or having buttocks that are considered beautifully proportioned.
[From Greek kallipugos : kalli-, beautiful (from kallos, beauty) + pugē, buttocks.]

— the  Farlex Free Dictionary, online

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 09:47:44 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C. G. Estabrook )
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 03:47:44 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] keywords 110518
In-Reply-To: <662778A2-29A3-44F7-B3C2-04FF22C0B41B@illinois.edu>
References: <662778A2-29A3-44F7-B3C2-04FF22C0B41B@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <92EFB81E-0820-427D-AD2D-AF4892F34CD0@gmail.com>

I’m afraid I miss the joke here, Ron. Are you saying your opponents are neurotics with fat asses? Is this an attack on Kanye West and Kim Kardashian? Please explain.

> On Nov 5, 2018, at 9:03 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Keywords  110518
> A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
> 
> par·a·noid  (păr′ə-noid′)
> adj.
> 1. Psychiatry Relating to, characteristic of, or affected with paranoia.
> 2. Exhibiting or characterized by irrational distrust or suspicion of others: a paranoid fear that the police car was following him.
> 3. Experiencing or displaying intense anxiety or worry: paranoid about catching the flu.
> n.
> One affected with paranoia.
> 
> schiz•oid (ˈskɪt sɔɪd)   
> adj.
> 1. of or pertaining to a personality disorder marked by dissociation, passivity, and indifference to praise or criticism.
> 2. of or pertaining to schizophrenia or to multiple personality.
> n.
> 3. a schizoid person.
> 
> cal·li·pyg·i·an  (kăl′ə-pĭj′ē-ən) also cal·li·py·gous (-pī′gəs)
> adj.
> Relating to or having buttocks that are considered beautifully proportioned.
> [From Greek kallipugos : kalli-, beautiful (from kallos, beauty) + pugē, buttocks.]
> 
> — the  Farlex Free Dictionary, online
> 
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From moboct1 at aim.com  Tue Nov  6 13:29:29 2018
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 13:29:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Our job today, if you have not already,
	is to vote
In-Reply-To: <1232647229.1686528.1541510823438@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1232647229.1686528.1541510823438.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1232647229.1686528.1541510823438@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <97331518.1680281.1541510969078@mail.yahoo.com>




-----Original Message-----
From: Mildred O'brien <moboct1 at aim.com>
To: info <info at berniesanders.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 6, 2018 7:27 am
Subject: Re: Our job today, if you have not already, is to vote

Why is voting important when candidate selection is limited to only ONE party: THE ESTABLISHMENT PARTY, with TWO BRANCHES:  Dem(hypo)crit and Repugnican?  That is not Democracy but Demo-crazy!
MO'B 


-----Original Message-----
From: Bernie Sanders <info at berniesanders.com>
To: Mildred O'Brien <moboct1 at aim.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 6, 2018 7:21 am
Subject: Our job today, if you have not already, is to vote

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Mildred -

I want to tell you something that will not come as a surprise to many of you. And that is this:

If turnout across the country is large today, if young people and working people come out and vote, then I believe Democrats will elect a number of progressive governors, state legislatures, will gain control of the House and possibly the Senate, as well.

If turnout is low today, then right-wing Republicans are going to keep control of many of the levels of government they currently occupy.

So our job today, if you have not already, is to vote -- and to encourage the people you know to do the same.

Today’s election is the most important midterm election in the modern history of the United States.

Together, we can put an end to the reactionary Trump agenda and move our country forward to rebuilding the declining middle class. We can create a Congress which stands for economic, political, racial and environmental justice, not for oligarchy or authoritarianism.

Those are the stakes:

Use this tool to verify your registration status and find your polling place today. Then please share this email with several of your friends and ask them to do the same.

FIND YOUR POLLING PLACE

Now is the time for millions of working families to come together and make certain that our children and grandchildren are able to enjoy a quality of life that brings them health, prosperity, security, and joy -- and that once again makes the United States the leader in the world in the fight for democracy, human rights, environmental sanity, and for a world of peace.

Today, we have a great chance to advance our cause -- but that will only happen if you make your voice heard and vote.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders

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From galliher at illinois.edu  Tue Nov  6 13:36:12 2018
From: galliher at illinois.edu (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 07:36:12 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Our job today, if you have not already,
 is to vote
In-Reply-To: <97331518.1680281.1541510969078@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1232647229.1686528.1541510823438.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1232647229.1686528.1541510823438@mail.yahoo.com>
 <97331518.1680281.1541510969078@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DD12575F-DCB2-4BDA-8D81-8C14F19124C3@illinois.edu>

A friend of mine used to say, “If God had meant us to vote, she would have sent us candidates.”


> On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mildred O'brien <moboct1 at aim.com>
> To: info <info at berniesanders.com>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 6, 2018 7:27 am
> Subject: Re: Our job today, if you have not already, is to vote
> 
> Why is voting important when candidate selection is limited to only ONE party: THE ESTABLISHMENT PARTY, with TWO BRANCHES:  Dem(hypo)crit and Repugnican?  That is not Democracy but Demo-crazy!
> 
> MO'B 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernie Sanders <info at berniesanders.com>
> To: Mildred O'Brien <moboct1 at aim.com>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 6, 2018 7:21 am
> Subject: Our job today, if you have not already, is to vote
> 
> 
> Mildred -
> 
> I want to tell you something that will not come as a surprise to many of you. And that is this:
> 
> If turnout across the country is large today, if young people and working people come out and vote, then I believe Democrats will elect a number of progressive governors, state legislatures, will gain control of the House and possibly the Senate, as well.
> 
> If turnout is low today, then right-wing Republicans are going to keep control of many of the levels of government they currently occupy.
> 
> So our job today, if you have not already, is to vote -- and to encourage the people you know to do the same.
> 
> Today’s election is the most important midterm election in the modern history of the United States.
> 
> Together, we can put an end to the reactionary Trump agenda and move our country forward to rebuilding the declining middle class. We can create a Congress which stands for economic, political, racial and environmental justice, not for oligarchy or authoritarianism.
> 
> Those are the stakes:
> 
> Use this tool to verify your registration status and find your polling place today. Then please share this email with several of your friends and ask them to do the same.
> 
> FIND YOUR POLLING PLACE
> 
> Now is the time for millions of working families to come together and make certain that our children and grandchildren are able to enjoy a quality of life that brings them health, prosperity, security, and joy -- and that once again makes the United States the leader in the world in the fight for democracy, human rights, environmental sanity, and for a world of peace.
> 
> Today, we have a great chance to advance our cause -- but that will only happen if you make your voice heard and vote.
> 
> In solidarity,
> 
> Bernie Sanders
> 
> FIND YOUR POLLING PLACE
> 
> 
> Paid for by Friends of Bernie Sanders
> 
> PO BOX 391, Burlington, VT 05402
> 
> This email was sent to moboct1 at aim.com. Email is one of the most important tools we have to reach supporters like you. We'd hate to see you go, but if you need to do so, click here to unsubscribe. To support Bernie with a contribution, click here.
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From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 15:51:12 2018
From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 09:51:12 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Live broadcast today
Message-ID: <429B5A00-4CD1-418C-BA79-06F972B12E87@gmail.com>

11-1 Hot 105.5 in parking lot next to Douglass Park. Stop by, say hello, be sure to vote!

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From brussel at illinois.edu  Tue Nov  6 17:07:24 2018
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 17:07:24 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Our job today, if you have not already,
 is to vote
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If what Chomsky has most recently asserted, that the Republican party is the mostt destructive for the future of humanity and democracy(?) in America, then it seems logically necessary to vote against them…. 

> On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:36 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine used to say, “If God had meant us to vote, she would have sent us candidates.”
> 
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mildred O'brien <moboct1 at aim.com>
>> To: info <info at berniesanders.com>
>> Sent: Tue, Nov 6, 2018 7:27 am
>> Subject: Re: Our job today, if you have not already, is to vote
>> 
>> Why is voting important when candidate selection is limited to only ONE party: THE ESTABLISHMENT PARTY, with TWO BRANCHES:  Dem(hypo)crit and Repugnican?  That is not Democracy but Demo-crazy!
>> 
>> MO'B 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bernie Sanders <info at berniesanders.com>
>> To: Mildred O'Brien <moboct1 at aim.com>
>> Sent: Tue, Nov 6, 2018 7:21 am
>> Subject: Our job today, if you have not already, is to vote
>> 
>> 
>> Mildred -
>> 
>> I want to tell you something that will not come as a surprise to many of you. And that is this:
>> 
>> If turnout across the country is large today, if young people and working people come out and vote, then I believe Democrats will elect a number of progressive governors, state legislatures, will gain control of the House and possibly the Senate, as well.
>> 
>> If turnout is low today, then right-wing Republicans are going to keep control of many of the levels of government they currently occupy.
>> 
>> So our job today, if you have not already, is to vote -- and to encourage the people you know to do the same.
>> 
>> Today’s election is the most important midterm election in the modern history of the United States.
>> 
>> Together, we can put an end to the reactionary Trump agenda and move our country forward to rebuilding the declining middle class. We can create a Congress which stands for economic, political, racial and environmental justice, not for oligarchy or authoritarianism.
>> 
>> Those are the stakes:
>> 
>> Use this tool to verify your registration status and find your polling place today. Then please share this email with several of your friends and ask them to do the same.
>> 
>> FIND YOUR POLLING PLACE
>> 
>> Now is the time for millions of working families to come together and make certain that our children and grandchildren are able to enjoy a quality of life that brings them health, prosperity, security, and joy -- and that once again makes the United States the leader in the world in the fight for democracy, human rights, environmental sanity, and for a world of peace.
>> 
>> Today, we have a great chance to advance our cause -- but that will only happen if you make your voice heard and vote.
>> 
>> In solidarity,
>> 
>> Bernie Sanders
>> 
>> FIND YOUR POLLING PLACE
>> 
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From ewj at pigs.ag  Tue Nov  6 22:37:50 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 06:37:50 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Our job today, if you have not already,
	is to vote
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democracy is oft touted as being holy, godly, and Christian.  The bible doesn't ascribe much wisdom to such mob action.  They voted not to go into Canaan and later voted to go when the timing was wrong.  Notably they voted for Barabbas also.

Americans voted for the  Clintons three times.  If i were Democracy, that's not a thing that I'd put on my resume...

On Nov 6, 2018, 21:36, at 21:36, "C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>A friend of mine used to say, “If God had meant us to vote, she would
>have sent us candidates.”
>
>
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mildred O'brien <moboct1 at aim.com>
>> To: info <info at berniesanders.com>
>> Sent: Tue, Nov 6, 2018 7:27 am
>> Subject: Re: Our job today, if you have not already, is to vote
>> 
>> Why is voting important when candidate selection is limited to only
>ONE party: THE ESTABLISHMENT PARTY, with TWO BRANCHES:  Dem(hypo)crit
>and Repugnican?  That is not Democracy but Demo-crazy!
>> 
>> MO'B 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bernie Sanders <info at berniesanders.com>
>> To: Mildred O'Brien <moboct1 at aim.com>
>> Sent: Tue, Nov 6, 2018 7:21 am
>> Subject: Our job today, if you have not already, is to vote
>> 
>> 
>> Mildred -
>> 
>> I want to tell you something that will not come as a surprise to many
>of you. And that is this:
>> 
>> If turnout across the country is large today, if young people and
>working people come out and vote, then I believe Democrats will elect a
>number of progressive governors, state legislatures, will gain control
>of the House and possibly the Senate, as well.
>> 
>> If turnout is low today, then right-wing Republicans are going to
>keep control of many of the levels of government they currently occupy.
>> 
>> So our job today, if you have not already, is to vote -- and to
>encourage the people you know to do the same.
>> 
>> Today’s election is the most important midterm election in the modern
>history of the United States.
>> 
>> Together, we can put an end to the reactionary Trump agenda and move
>our country forward to rebuilding the declining middle class. We can
>create a Congress which stands for economic, political, racial and
>environmental justice, not for oligarchy or authoritarianism.
>> 
>> Those are the stakes:
>> 
>> Use this tool to verify your registration status and find your
>polling place today. Then please share this email with several of your
>friends and ask them to do the same.
>> 
>> FIND YOUR POLLING PLACE
>> 
>> Now is the time for millions of working families to come together and
>make certain that our children and grandchildren are able to enjoy a
>quality of life that brings them health, prosperity, security, and joy
>-- and that once again makes the United States the leader in the world
>in the fight for democracy, human rights, environmental sanity, and for
>a world of peace.
>> 
>> Today, we have a great chance to advance our cause -- but that will
>only happen if you make your voice heard and vote.
>> 
>> In solidarity,
>> 
>> Bernie Sanders
>> 
>> FIND YOUR POLLING PLACE
>> 
>> 
>> Paid for by Friends of Bernie Sanders
>> 
>> PO BOX 391, Burlington, VT 05402
>> 
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>important tools we have to reach supporters like you. We'd hate to see
>you go, but if you need to do so, click here to unsubscribe. To support
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Wed Nov  7 16:40:53 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:40:53 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's make this the BIGGEST vote Congress takes in
	January
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From: Kate Kizer <info at winwithoutwar.org<mailto:info at winwithoutwar.org>>
Subject: [Sign Now] Let's make this the BIGGEST vote Congress takes in January >>
Date: November 7, 2018


Last night, the House flipped. We now have the political power to end the war in Afghanistan.

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Ron, this. Is. HUGE. Last night, control of the House of Representatives flipped. And today, we woke up in a world where we can end the United States’ longest war.

The day before the election, Mayor Brent Taylor of North Ogden, Utah was killed in his fourth deployment in Afghanistan. [1] After seventeen years, this terrible, failed war is STILL tragically costing lives and throwing trillions of dollars down the drain.

But for the first time in years, we have a clear chance to end the war in Afghanistan.

Some new members of Congress stepping into office this January were preteens when this war started. They’re ready to end this war. You and I are ready to end this war. And we have the political power to do it.

But there’s a million things crowding the new Congress’ agenda. We’ve got to start driving grassroots pressure immediately to make sure ending the war in Afghanistan is a top priority when Congress heads to D.C. in January. That’s where you come in.

Add your name to tell our new Congress: End the war in Afghanistan.<https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/dear-new-congress-end-war-afghanistan?source=em20181107&t=4&akid=2866%2E37829%2E3t1zIf>

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In many places last night, the forces of hate, fear-mongering, and voter suppression carried the day. That pain — especially for our communities most under attack from hateful words and hateful policies — is real.

And even with the shifting balance of power in Congress, we are looking at a tough battle to end the war in Afghanistan.

Already, vultures like disgraced former Blackwater CEO Erik Prince are swooping in to try to profit off of this tragic war. Prince just hired a lobbyist whose entire job will be persuading members of Congress to hand him personal control of the war in Afghanistan. [2]

But the House just flipped, and that changes everything.

Anti-war champion Rep. Jim McGovern has tried to end this war for years, but he was blocked by the GOP-controlled House Rules Committee. But guess what? Now he's in CHARGE of that committee, the very one that decides whether or not Congress gets to finally vote on ending our longest war. And if we speak up right now, we can make sure the rest of our new Congress is on board, too.

What’s more, if we can win on Afghanistan, we can start a progressive foreign policy tsunami. That vote could start Congress on a path to rein in the runaway Trump war machine and take back their authority on warmaking across the board.

But to get there, we need to start pressuring the new Congress now.

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Thank you for working for peace,

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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Wed Nov  7 16:54:07 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:54:07 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Panel: The Race Work of War Machines
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Subject: [Tonight] Panel: The Race Work of War Machines
Date: November 7, 2018

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Wednesday, November 7, 7:30 pm
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As we try to think about the full spectrum of “Race Work” at IPRH this year, the labor that war machines of all kinds requires our critical attention. From early drone experiments in the Pacific during World War II to the apparatus of FOIA, this panel tracks the racial and imperial logics of different forms of state surveillance during the so-called American century and its aftermath. Given that the race work of war machines has been a bi-partisan effort with a long history, thinking through its ramifications immediately after the midterm elections reminds us that race not only shapes domestic and international politics but is one modality through which they are intimately and often fatally linked.

Featuring Katherine Fehr Chandler (Culture and Politics, Georgetown University) and Anjali Nath (American Studies, University of California, Davis)

Respondents: Kevin Hamilton (Fine + Applied Arts) and Ned O'Gorman(Communication). Moderator: Brian Jordan Jefferson (Geography & GIS).

[November 7 Panel]

Katherine Chandler's research examines the intersection of technology, media and politics through a range of scales and forms. Her monograph, Unmanning: How Humans, Machines and Media Perform Drone Warfare, studies experimental unmanned aircraft from 1936-1992. It analyzes how conditions for contemporary drone warfare are made from decades of failed experiments, including World War II television-guided missiles and pilotless spy planes flown over Vietnam. She is an assistant professor in the Culture and Politics Program at the Walsh School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University.

Anjali Nath is an Assistant Professor of American Studies at the University of California, Davis. Nath’s research focuses on wartime visual cultures. Her writing has appeared in Cultural Studies <=> Critical Methodologies, American Quarterly, Visual Anthropology and other academic journals.

Kevin Hamilton is Dean of the College of Fine and Applied Arts at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, where he has served in a variety of capacities since arriving as an Assistant Professor in the School of Art and Design in 2002. As an artist and researcher, Kevin works in a variety of disciplinary settings, with publications on interdisciplinary research methodologies and bias in algorithmic systems, and commissioned or exhibited artworks on the histories of cybernetics, race, and landscape. The bulk of his research efforts are with Ned O'Gorman, with whom he counts a number of co-authored publications and the upcoming book Lookout America! The Secret Hollywood Film Studio at the Heart of the Cold War (Dartmouth College Press, 2018). His work as an artist and scholar has earned support from the National Science Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities, and the Illinois Arts Council.

Ned O’Gorman is Professor of Communication at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign. A rhetorical and media scholar, he works in and across several different areas: the Cold War, history of rhetoric, political thought/theory, and media and technology studies. O’Gorman’s work is broadly concerned with intersections among public discourse, political thought, and technology, especially in the Cold War. His most recent book The Iconoclastic Imagination: Image, Catastrophe, and Economy in America since the Kennedy Assassination(University of Chicago Press) was the winner of the 2016 Bruce E. Gronbeck Political Communication Research Award, sponsored by the Carl Couch Center for Social and Internet Research. His earlier book, Spirits of the Cold War: Contesting Worldviews in the Classical Age of American Security Strategy, came out in 2012, and was reviewed widely, including in The New Republic. O’Gorman has published numerous journal essays on topics related to rhetorical theory, aesthetics, religion, political theory, and political history in the Cold War, seventeenth-century England, and ancient Greece. He has also been a writer at The Infernal Machine, the Huffington Post, and The Hedgehog Review. O’Gorman is also publishing, with Kevin Hamilton, a book due out in December 2018: Lookout America! The Secret Hollywood Film Studio at the Heart of the Cold War published with over 600 images by Dartmouth College Press. The book, the culmination of over ten years of research, is about the remarkable but largely forgotten history of Lookout Mountain Laboratory, a U.S. Air Force film studio responsible for many of the most iconic images of the Cold War, from mushroom clouds to space monkeys.











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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 17:50:09 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C. G. Estabrook )
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 11:50:09 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: America's Wars Are Completely Ignored in the
	Midterm Elections
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Wed Nov  7 21:40:07 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 21:40:07 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] polemics & sophisms
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Keywords  110718
A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics

po·lem·ics  (pə-lĕm′ĭks)
n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
1. The art or practice of argumentation or controversy.
2. The practice of theological controversy to refute errors of doctrine.

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

polemics (pəˈlɛmɪks)
n (functioning as singular) the art or practice of dispute or argument, as in attacking or defending a doctrine or belief
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

po•lem•ics (pəˈlɛm ɪks, poʊ-)
n. (used with a sing. v.)
1. the art or practice of disputation or controversy.
2. the branch of theology dealing with ecclesiastical disputation and controversy.  [1630–40]
A polemic (/pəˈlɛmɪk/) is contentious rhetoric<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Rhetoric> that is intended to support a specific position by aggressive claims and undermining of the opposing position. Polemics are mostly seen in arguments about controversial topics. The practice of such argumentation is called polemics. A person who ofte writes polemics, or who speaks polemically, is called a polemicist.[1]<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Polemy#cite_note-auto-1> The word is derived from Greek<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Greek+language> πολεμικός (polemikos), meaning 'warlike, hostile',[1]<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Polemy#cite_note-auto-1>[2]<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Polemy#cite_note-2> from πόλεμος (polemos), meaning 'war'.[3]<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Polemy#cite_note-3>
Polemics often concern issues in religion<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Religion> or politics<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Politics>. A polemic style of writing was common in Ancient Greece<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Ancient+Greece>, as in the writings of the historian Polybius<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Polybius>. Polemic again became common in medieval<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Medieval> and early modern times. Since then, famous polemicists have included the satirist Jonathan Swift<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Jonathan+Swift>, the socialist philosophers Karl Marx<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Karl+Marx> and Friedrich Engels<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Friedrich+Engels>, the novelist George Orwell<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/George+Orwell> and the linguist Noam Chomsky<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Noam+Chomsky>.

Overview
Polemics are usually addressed to important issues in religion<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Religion> and politics<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Politics>. Polemic journalism was common in continental Europe<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Continental+Europe> at a time when libel<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Libel> laws were not as stringent as they are now.[4]<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Polemy#cite_note-4> To support the study of the controversies of the 17th–19th centuries, a British research project has placed online thousands of polemical pamphlets from that era.[5]<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Polemy#cite_note-5> Discussions around atheism<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Atheism>, humanism<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Humanism> and Christianity have remained capable of polemic into modern times; for example, in 2007 Brian McClinton argued in Humani that anti-religious books like Richard Dawkins<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Richard+Dawkins>'s The God Delusion<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/The+God+Delusion> are part of the polemic tradition.[6]<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Polemy#cite_note-McClinton-6> The humanist philosopher A. C. Grayling<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/A.+C.+Grayling> indeed published a book titled Against All Gods: Six Polemics on Religion and an Essay on Kindness in 2008.[7]<https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Polemy#cite_note-7>

soph·is·try  (sŏf′ĭ-strē)
n. pl. soph·is·tries
1. Plausible but fallacious argumentation.
2. A plausible but misleading or fallacious argument.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

sophistry (ˈsɒfɪstrɪ)
n, pl -ries
1. (Philosophy)
a. a method of argument that is seemingly plausible though actually invalid and misleading
b. the art of using such arguments
2. subtle but unsound or fallacious reasoning
3. an instance of this; sophism
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

— from the  online Free Dictionary by Farlex  (q.v.)

Exercise:  Distinguish clearly between fallacies & sophisms.

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 21:52:07 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:52:07 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] polemics & sophisms
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Isn't a sophis tree one best to land in…?

Aren't po’ lemics sad rodents related to muskrats, in the Deep South?

For a serious response to Richard Dawkins et al. see Terry Eagleton:

[Wikipedia] Dawkins, Hitchens and the New Atheism

Eagleton has become a vocal critic of what has been called the New Atheism. In October 2006, he published a review of Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion in the London Review of Books. Eagleton begins by questioning Dawkins's methodology and understanding: "Imagine someone holding forth on biology whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology". Eagleton further writes, "Nor does [Dawkins] understand that because God is transcendent of us (which is another way of saying that he did not have to bring us about), he is free of any neurotic need for us and wants simply to be allowed to love us."[17] He concludes by suggesting Dawkins has not been attacking organised faith so much as a sort of rhetorical straw man: "Apart from the occasional perfunctory gesture to 'sophisticated' religious believers, Dawkins tends to see religion and fundamentalist religion as one and the same. This is not only grotesquely false; it is also a device to outflank any more reflective kind of faith by implying that it belongs to the coterie and not to the mass. The huge numbers of believers who hold something like the theology I outlined above can thus be conveniently lumped with rednecks who murder abortionists and malign homosexuals."[18]

Terry and Gifford Lectures[edit]

In April 2008 Eagleton delivered Yale University's Terry Lectures, with the title Faith and Fundamentalism: Is belief in Richard Dawkins necessary for salvation?, constituting a continuation of the critique he had begun in The London Review of Books. Introducing his first lecture with an admission of ignorance of both theology and science, Eagleton goes on to affirm: "All I can claim in this respect, alas, is that I think I may know just about enough theology to be able to spot when someone like Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens—a couplet I shall henceforth reduce for convenience to the solitary signifier Ditchkins—is talking out of the back of his neck."[19][20] An expanded version of these lectures was published in 2009 as Reason, Faith, and Revolution: Reflections on the God Debate.[21]


> On Nov 7, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Keywords  110718
> A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
> 
> po·lem·ics  (pə-lĕm′ĭks)
> n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
> 1. The art or practice of argumentation or controversy.
> 2. The practice of theological controversy to refute errors of doctrine.
> 
> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
> 
> polemics (pəˈlɛmɪks)
> n (functioning as singular) the art or practice of dispute or argument, as in attacking or defending a doctrine or belief
> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
> 
> po•lem•ics (pəˈlɛm ɪks, poʊ-) 
> n. (used with a sing. v.)
> 1. the art or practice of disputation or controversy.
> 2. the branch of theology dealing with ecclesiastical disputation and controversy.  [1630–40]
> A polemic (/pəˈlɛmɪk/) is contentious rhetoric that is intended to support a specific position by aggressive claims and undermining of the opposing position. Polemics are mostly seen in arguments about controversial topics. The practice of such argumentation is called polemics. A person who ofte writes polemics, or who speaks polemically, is called a polemicist.[1] The word is derived from Greek πολεμικός (polemikos), meaning 'warlike, hostile',[1][2] from πόλεμος (polemos), meaning 'war'.[3]
> Polemics often concern issues in religion or politics. A polemic style of writing was common in Ancient Greece, as in the writings of the historian Polybius. Polemic again became common in medieval and early modern times. Since then, famous polemicists have included the satirist Jonathan Swift, the socialist philosophers Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, the novelist George Orwell and the linguist Noam Chomsky.
> 
> Overview
> Polemics are usually addressed to important issues in religion and politics. Polemic journalism was common in continental Europe at a time when libel laws were not as stringent as they are now.[4] To support the study of the controversies of the 17th–19th centuries, a British research project has placed online thousands of polemical pamphlets from that era.[5] Discussions around atheism, humanism and Christianity have remained capable of polemic into modern times; for example, in 2007 Brian McClinton argued in Humani that anti-religious books like Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion are part of the polemic tradition.[6] The humanist philosopher A. C. Grayling indeed published a book titled Against All Gods: Six Polemics on Religion and an Essay on Kindness in 2008.[7]
> 
> soph·is·try  (sŏf′ĭ-strē)
> n. pl. soph·is·tries
> 1. Plausible but fallacious argumentation.
> 2. A plausible but misleading or fallacious argument.
> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
> 
> sophistry (ˈsɒfɪstrɪ)
> n, pl -ries
> 1. (Philosophy)
> a. a method of argument that is seemingly plausible though actually invalid and misleading
> b. the art of using such arguments
> 2. subtle but unsound or fallacious reasoning
> 3. an instance of this; sophism
> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
> 
> — from the  online Free Dictionary by Farlex  (q.v.)  
> 
> Exercise:  Distinguish clearly between fallacies & sophisms.  
> 
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Thu Nov  8 04:47:49 2018
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 04:47:49 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] polemics & sophisms
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Tells me more about Eagleton than Dawkins…


> On Nov 7, 2018, at 3:52 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Isn't a sophis tree one best to land in…?
> 
> Aren't po’ lemics sad rodents related to muskrats, in the Deep South?
> 
> For a serious response to Richard Dawkins et al. see Terry Eagleton:
> 
> [Wikipedia] Dawkins, Hitchens and the New Atheism
> 
> Eagleton has become a vocal critic of what has been called the New Atheism. In October 2006, he published a review of Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion in the London Review of Books. Eagleton begins by questioning Dawkins's methodology and understanding: "Imagine someone holding forth on biology whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology". Eagleton further writes, "Nor does [Dawkins] understand that because God is transcendent of us (which is another way of saying that he did not have to bring us about), he is free of any neurotic need for us and wants simply to be allowed to love us."[17] He concludes by suggesting Dawkins has not been attacking organised faith so much as a sort of rhetorical straw man: "Apart from the occasional perfunctory gesture to 'sophisticated' religious believers, Dawkins tends to see religion and fundamentalist religion as one and the same. This is not only grotesquely false; it is also a device to outflank any more reflective kind of faith by implying that it belongs to the coterie and not to the mass. The huge numbers of believers who hold something like the theology I outlined above can thus be conveniently lumped with rednecks who murder abortionists and malign homosexuals."[18]
> 
> Terry and Gifford Lectures[edit]
> 
> In April 2008 Eagleton delivered Yale University's Terry Lectures, with the title Faith and Fundamentalism: Is belief in Richard Dawkins necessary for salvation?, constituting a continuation of the critique he had begun in The London Review of Books. Introducing his first lecture with an admission of ignorance of both theology and science, Eagleton goes on to affirm: "All I can claim in this respect, alas, is that I think I may know just about enough theology to be able to spot when someone like Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens—a couplet I shall henceforth reduce for convenience to the solitary signifier Ditchkins—is talking out of the back of his neck."[19][20] An expanded version of these lectures was published in 2009 as Reason, Faith, and Revolution: Reflections on the God Debate.[21]
> 
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Keywords  110718
>> A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
>> 
>> po·lem·ics  (pə-lĕm′ĭks)
>> n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
>> 1. The art or practice of argumentation or controversy.
>> 2. The practice of theological controversy to refute errors of doctrine.
>> 
>> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
>> 
>> polemics (pəˈlɛmɪks)
>> n (functioning as singular) the art or practice of dispute or argument, as in attacking or defending a doctrine or belief
>> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
>> 
>> po•lem•ics (pəˈlɛm ɪks, poʊ-) 
>> n. (used with a sing. v.)
>> 1. the art or practice of disputation or controversy.
>> 2. the branch of theology dealing with ecclesiastical disputation and controversy.  [1630–40]
>> A polemic (/pəˈlɛmɪk/) is contentious rhetoric that is intended to support a specific position by aggressive claims and undermining of the opposing position. Polemics are mostly seen in arguments about controversial topics. The practice of such argumentation is called polemics. A person who ofte writes polemics, or who speaks polemically, is called a polemicist.[1] The word is derived from Greek πολεμικός (polemikos), meaning 'warlike, hostile',[1][2] from πόλεμος (polemos), meaning 'war'.[3]
>> Polemics often concern issues in religion or politics. A polemic style of writing was common in Ancient Greece, as in the writings of the historian Polybius. Polemic again became common in medieval and early modern times. Since then, famous polemicists have included the satirist Jonathan Swift, the socialist philosophers Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, the novelist George Orwell and the linguist Noam Chomsky.
>> 
>> Overview
>> Polemics are usually addressed to important issues in religion and politics. Polemic journalism was common in continental Europe at a time when libel laws were not as stringent as they are now.[4] To support the study of the controversies of the 17th–19th centuries, a British research project has placed online thousands of polemical pamphlets from that era.[5] Discussions around atheism, humanism and Christianity have remained capable of polemic into modern times; for example, in 2007 Brian McClinton argued in Humani that anti-religious books like Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion are part of the polemic tradition.[6] The humanist philosopher A. C. Grayling indeed published a book titled Against All Gods: Six Polemics on Religion and an Essay on Kindness in 2008.[7]
>> 
>> soph·is·try  (sŏf′ĭ-strē)
>> n. pl. soph·is·tries
>> 1. Plausible but fallacious argumentation.
>> 2. A plausible but misleading or fallacious argument.
>> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
>> 
>> sophistry (ˈsɒfɪstrɪ)
>> n, pl -ries
>> 1. (Philosophy)
>> a. a method of argument that is seemingly plausible though actually invalid and misleading
>> b. the art of using such arguments
>> 2. subtle but unsound or fallacious reasoning
>> 3. an instance of this; sophism
>> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
>> 
>> — from the  online Free Dictionary by Farlex  (q.v.)  
>> 
>> Exercise:  Distinguish clearly between fallacies & sophisms.  
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Thu Nov  8 06:43:09 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 06:43:09 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Nobody Is Above the Law?
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Nobody Is Above the Law: Champaign-Urbana Rapid Response Protest<https://www.trumpisnotabovethelaw.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/18129/signup/?akid=193030.9794638.PJXQ_g&zip=&source=&s=>  Sign up to Attend<https://www.trumpisnotabovethelaw.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/18129/signup/?akid=193030.9794638.PJXQ_g&zip=&source=&s=>
Thursday, November 8 at 5 p.m.
Hosted by Nathaniel F.
Champaign City Building
Champaign, IL 61820
752 attendees
We will gather for the protest at the Champaign City Building (102 N Neil St.) at 5pm on Thursday, November 8th. After gathering and a few remarks, we will march to the News-Gazette building. This protest is occurring because of the firing of Attorney General Sessions and the removal of Rob Rosenstein from supervision of the Mueller investigation, which sets the stage for obstruction of justice.
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 17:07:02 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 11:07:02 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] My letter in yesterday's News-Gazette
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In our country’s economic history, the roles of slavery and racial
ideologies have been central to class exploitation. This no longer has much
to do with discrimination as a primary force, or lack of “equal
opportunity,” but with the realities of neoliberal wealth accumulation of
the “meritocratic” top 10% through dispossession of the broad working
class; with African-American workers and families bearing the brunt of
income stagnation, wealth loss, foreclosure, blight, indebtedness,
austerity, and incarceration.

The relationship between race (an ideological fiction) and class
(capitalist exploitation and immiseration of labor) has, in academia, been
disappeared by identity politics, an absence also noted in Democratic Party
politics.

Moving from gown to town and our local newspaper, critical sociological
notions of class and race are absent, as we encounter narratives of
individual achievement, inspiration, tragedy, and criminality,
contextualized within families and neighborhoods seemingly inexplicably
characterized by majority black populations, poverty, and high social
risks. This is venerable bourgeois racism, modified by current
sensibilities of “post-racial” civility.

Meanwhile, Brian Holding (10/14), former C.E.O. of Human Kinetics, claims
that his foundation and the City of Champaign will “develop” and “program”
black neighborhoods out of poverty. But these efforts will—with continued
neoliberal top-down economic warfare—prove to be superficial and futile.

The “social pathologies” of poverty commonly referred to by editors and
columnists serve to absolve the wealthy and powerful of their obvious
complicity in national policies that assure, in our rich society, that half
of us struggle to maintain a decent standard of living.
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 00:44:48 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 18:44:48 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] polemics & sophisms
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Eagleton (a student of my mentor, Herbert McCabe) is probably more interesting.


> On Nov 7, 2018, at 10:47 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Tells me more about Eagleton than Dawkins…
> 
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2018, at 3:52 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Isn't a sophis tree one best to land in…?
>> 
>> Aren't po’ lemics sad rodents related to muskrats, in the Deep South?
>> 
>> For a serious response to Richard Dawkins et al. see Terry Eagleton:
>> 
>> [Wikipedia] Dawkins, Hitchens and the New Atheism
>> 
>> Eagleton has become a vocal critic of what has been called the New Atheism. In October 2006, he published a review of Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion in the London Review of Books. Eagleton begins by questioning Dawkins's methodology and understanding: "Imagine someone holding forth on biology whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology". Eagleton further writes, "Nor does [Dawkins] understand that because God is transcendent of us (which is another way of saying that he did not have to bring us about), he is free of any neurotic need for us and wants simply to be allowed to love us."[17] He concludes by suggesting Dawkins has not been attacking organised faith so much as a sort of rhetorical straw man: "Apart from the occasional perfunctory gesture to 'sophisticated' religious believers, Dawkins tends to see religion and fundamentalist religion as one and the same. This is not only grotesquely false; it is also a device to outflank any more reflective kind of faith by implying that it belongs to the coterie and not to the mass. The huge numbers of believers who hold something like the theology I outlined above can thus be conveniently lumped with rednecks who murder abortionists and malign homosexuals."[18]
>> 
>> Terry and Gifford Lectures[edit]
>> 
>> In April 2008 Eagleton delivered Yale University's Terry Lectures, with the title Faith and Fundamentalism: Is belief in Richard Dawkins necessary for salvation?, constituting a continuation of the critique he had begun in The London Review of Books. Introducing his first lecture with an admission of ignorance of both theology and science, Eagleton goes on to affirm: "All I can claim in this respect, alas, is that I think I may know just about enough theology to be able to spot when someone like Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens—a couplet I shall henceforth reduce for convenience to the solitary signifier Ditchkins—is talking out of the back of his neck."[19][20] An expanded version of these lectures was published in 2009 as Reason, Faith, and Revolution: Reflections on the God Debate.[21]
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Keywords  110718
>>> A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
>>> 
>>> po·lem·ics  (pə-lĕm′ĭks)
>>> n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
>>> 1. The art or practice of argumentation or controversy.
>>> 2. The practice of theological controversy to refute errors of doctrine.
>>> 
>>> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
>>> 
>>> polemics (pəˈlɛmɪks)
>>> n (functioning as singular) the art or practice of dispute or argument, as in attacking or defending a doctrine or belief
>>> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
>>> 
>>> po•lem•ics (pəˈlɛm ɪks, poʊ-) 
>>> n. (used with a sing. v.)
>>> 1. the art or practice of disputation or controversy.
>>> 2. the branch of theology dealing with ecclesiastical disputation and controversy.  [1630–40]
>>> A polemic (/pəˈlɛmɪk/) is contentious rhetoric that is intended to support a specific position by aggressive claims and undermining of the opposing position. Polemics are mostly seen in arguments about controversial topics. The practice of such argumentation is called polemics. A person who ofte writes polemics, or who speaks polemically, is called a polemicist.[1] The word is derived from Greek πολεμικός (polemikos), meaning 'warlike, hostile',[1][2] from πόλεμος (polemos), meaning 'war'.[3]
>>> Polemics often concern issues in religion or politics. A polemic style of writing was common in Ancient Greece, as in the writings of the historian Polybius. Polemic again became common in medieval and early modern times. Since then, famous polemicists have included the satirist Jonathan Swift, the socialist philosophers Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, the novelist George Orwell and the linguist Noam Chomsky.
>>> 
>>> Overview
>>> Polemics are usually addressed to important issues in religion and politics. Polemic journalism was common in continental Europe at a time when libel laws were not as stringent as they are now.[4] To support the study of the controversies of the 17th–19th centuries, a British research project has placed online thousands of polemical pamphlets from that era.[5] Discussions around atheism, humanism and Christianity have remained capable of polemic into modern times; for example, in 2007 Brian McClinton argued in Humani that anti-religious books like Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion are part of the polemic tradition.[6] The humanist philosopher A. C. Grayling indeed published a book titled Against All Gods: Six Polemics on Religion and an Essay on Kindness in 2008.[7]
>>> 
>>> soph·is·try  (sŏf′ĭ-strē)
>>> n. pl. soph·is·tries
>>> 1. Plausible but fallacious argumentation.
>>> 2. A plausible but misleading or fallacious argument.
>>> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
>>> 
>>> sophistry (ˈsɒfɪstrɪ)
>>> n, pl -ries
>>> 1. (Philosophy)
>>> a. a method of argument that is seemingly plausible though actually invalid and misleading
>>> b. the art of using such arguments
>>> 2. subtle but unsound or fallacious reasoning
>>> 3. an instance of this; sophism
>>> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
>>> 
>>> — from the  online Free Dictionary by Farlex  (q.v.)  
>>> 
>>> Exercise:  Distinguish clearly between fallacies & sophisms.  
>>> 
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  9 14:50:37 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 14:50:37 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Kings Bay Plowshares: US INFs
References: <BN6PR11MB15222A5EC351DC7C4DCEC530A0C60@BN6PR11MB1522.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA
BRUNSWICK DIVISION

USA
V                                                                                 NO. 2:18-CR- 22
ELIZABETH MCALISTER


SUPPLEMENTAL DECLARATION OF FRANCIS A. BOYLE

Pursuant to 28 USC 1746, Francis A. Boyle declares under penalty of perjury:

1.     I submitted a Declaration in this matter dated June 25, 2018.  This Declaration supplements that original Declaration and should be read in light of that document.
2.     I am an expert in International Law and Foreign Policy and my credentials are set out in the previous Declaration.
3.     It was my conclusion in June 25, 2018, for the reasons set out at length in that document, that the existence, threat or use of any of the Trident thermonuclear weapons at Kings Bay is absolutely illegal and criminal under the laws of the United States and international law.
4.     Recent events have made the existence, threat or use of those weapons of mass destruction like the Kings Bay Tridents even more horrific and the possibility of nuclear war even more likely.
5.     In October of 2018, President Donald Trump and his U.S. National Security Advisor John Bolton declared it is the intention of the U.S. to withdraw from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty.
6.     The INF Treaty was signed on December 8, 1987 by President Ronald Reagan of the United States and General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev of the Soviet Union.
7.     The INF Treaty barred both the United States and Russia from deploying nuclear and conventional ground launched ballistic missiles and cruise missiles with a range of 500 to 5500 kilometers or 300 to 3400 miles.
8.     As a result of the INF Treaty, the U.S. and the Soviet Union destroyed a total of 2,692 short, medium, and intermediate range missiles by June 1, 1991.
9.     Reactivating Intermediate Range Nuclear Missiles will make the world and the United States a much more dangerous place, and will greatly exacerbate the current violations of U.S. and international law which I discussed in my initial Declaration.
10.  New Intermediate Range Nuclear Missiles, combined with the Trident missiles, give the United States an even more obvious and effective illegal and criminal offensive first-strike nuclear weapons capability against both Russia and China.
11.   Intermediate Range Nuclear Missiles will be able to reach Russia in as little as 3 minutes from launch in Eastern Europe and the Tridents can reach Russia in around 15 minutes.
12.  The Intermediate Range Nuclear Missiles would primarily target strategic nuclear weapons command centers in Russia, while the Tridents will be targeted at all other civilian population centers and infrastructure locations and nuclear forces.
13.  U.S. INFs in Europe will provide Russia with an enormous incentive to “use it or lose it” by launching a pre-emptive strategic nuclear attack upon the Continental United States in the event of a crisis or an accident or a computer malfunction or a radar misinterpretation or human error. These phenomena have repeatedly happened before.
14.  According to President Trump’s National Security Adviser John Bolton, one of the other reasons for pulling the United States out of the INF Treaty is so that the United States can deploy INFs against China and thus better threaten China with an illegal and criminal offensive first-strike nuclear weapons attack.
15.  The Intermediate Range Nuclear Missiles would primarily target strategic nuclear weapons command centers in China, while the Tridents will be targeted at all other civilian population centers and infrastructure locations and nuclear forces.
16.  U.S. INFs in Asia will provide China with an enormous incentive to “use it or lose it” by launching a pre-emptive strategic nuclear attack upon the Continental United States in the event of a crisis or an accident or a computer malfunction or a radar misinterpretation or human error. These phenomena have repeatedly happened before.
17.  These actions announced by the Trump administration further violate the international law obligations of the United States under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation (NPT) Treaty which is designed to achieve nuclear disarmament as interpreted by the International Court of Justice Nuclear Weapons Advisory Opinion, as I discussed in my earlier Declaration and as I discussed in my book THE CRIMINALITY OF NUCLEAR DETERRENCE (Clarity Press 2002).
18.  These actions announced by the Trump administration are further violations of the laws of war and international humanitarian law.
19.  These actions announced by the Trump administration are further violations of criminal law under U.S. and international laws. They can only result in genocide and are threatening to commit genocide.
20.  The Trump administration pulling out of the INF Treaty seriously jeopardizes the renewal of the 2010 New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START) between the United States and Russia that imposes severe constraints on the offensive strategic nuclear weapons systems of these two nuclear superpowers. Non-renewal of the New START Treaty would set off a frantic nuclear arms race between the United States and Russia as well as by the other acknowledged nuclear weapons states such as China, Britain, France, India, Pakistan, Israel, and North Korea.
21.  These developments would lead to the unraveling, dissolution, and nullification of the seminal Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty itself and the research, development, testing, production, and deployment of nuclear weapons by every state in the world with a nuclear power plant. Currently 30 countries in the world have operational nuclear power plants – that figure is 31 if Taiwan is considered separately from China. See Operational & Long-Term Shutdown Reactors, Int’l Atomic Energy Agency, https://pris.iaea.org/PRIS/WorldStatistics/OperationalReactorsByCountry.aspx (last updated Oct. 28, 2018).
22.  The non-violent symbolic disarmament actions of Defendants in this matter take on greater and compelling urgency in light of the announcement by the United States that it will withdraw from the INF Treaty.
23.  I repeat my opinion that the charges against these Defendants should be dismissed.  The Court must recognize that the possession, preparation for use, threat of use or use of Trident nuclear weapons at Kings Bay is illegal and criminal.
24.  The non-violent, symbolic disarmament actions by Defendants in this matter are in full compliance with the laws, treaties and principles of U.S. and international law and served a lawful purpose: preventing the ongoing commission of genocidal international and U.S. domestic crimes.
25.  The very existence of humanity is at risk!
26.  I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.  I am prepared to testify under oath and answer questions on these and related matters.

Signed this ____ Day of __________, 2018 at Champaign Illinois.


_________________________________
Francis Anthony Boyle
Professor of Law
University of Illinois
College of Law
Massachusetts Bar Number 052540




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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Fri Nov  9 17:49:49 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 17:49:49 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords: obfuscate, obscurantism, bamboozle
Message-ID: <B03C2B4E-B4A2-451B-9CC1-0A0DA6F4AB0D@illinois.edu>

Keywords  110918
A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics

ob·fus·cate  (ŏb′fə-skāt′, ŏb-fŭs′kāt′)
tr.v. ob·fus·cat·ed, ob·fus·cat·ing, ob·fus·cates
1. To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand: "A great effort was made ... to obscure or obfuscate the truth" (Robert Conquest).
2. To render indistinct or dim; darken: The fog obfuscated the shore.
[Latin obfuscāre, obfuscāt-, to darken : ob-, over; see ob- + fuscāre, to darken (from fuscus, dark).]
ob′fus·ca′tion n.
ob·fus′ca·to′ry (ŏb-fŭs′kə-tôr′ē, əb-) adj.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

obfuscation (ˌɒbfʌsˈkeɪʃən)  n
the act or an instance of making something obscure, dark, or difficult to understand
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

obfuscation
the process of darkening or obscuring so as to hinder ready analysis.
See also: Thinking<https://www.thefreedictionary.com/thinking>

ob·scur·ant·ism  (ŏb-skyo͝or′ən-tĭz′əm, əb-, ŏb′skyo͝o-răn′-)  n.
1. The principles or practice of obscurants.
2. A policy of withholding information from the public.
3. a. A style in art and literature characterized by deliberate vagueness or obliqueness.
b. An example or instance of this style.

ob·scur′ant·ist n.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

ob•scu•rant•ism (əbˈskyʊər ənˌtɪz əm, ˌɒb skyʊˈræn tɪz əm)   n.
1. opposition to the increase and spread of knowledge.
2. deliberate obscurity or evasion of clarity.
ob•scu′rant•ist, n., adj.
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.

obscurantism
the use of argument intended to prevent enlightenment or to hinder the process of knowledge and wisdom. Also spelled obscuranticism. — obscurantist, n. — obscurant, obscurantic, adj.
See also: Argumentation<https://www.thefreedictionary.com/argumentation>


bam·boo·zle  (băm-bo͞o′zəl)
tr.v. bam·boo·zled, bam·boo·zling, bam·boo·zles Informal
1. To deceive or dupe; hoodwink. See Synonyms at deceive<https://www.thefreedictionary.com/deceive>.
2. To confuse; bewilder.
[Origin unknown.]
bam·boo′zle·ment n.
bam·boo′zler n.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

bamboozle (bæmˈbuːzəl)
vb (tr)
1. to cheat; mislead
2. to confuse
[C18: of unknown origin]
bamˈboozler n
bamˈboozlement n
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

bam•boo•zle (bæmˈbu zəl)

v. -zled, -zling. v.t.
1. to deceive or get the better of by underhandedness; hoodwink.
2. to perplex; mystify.
v.i.
3. to practice trickery, deception, or the like.
[1695–1705; orig. uncertain]
bam•boo′zle•ment, n.
bam•boo′zler, n.
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.

—  from the online Free Dictionary by Farlex (q.v.)
——

[Sagan on bamboozle.jpg]
From:  The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark  (1996), p. 241.

Frequently noted:  It is usually far easier to bamboozle people than to get them to admit they have been bamboozled.   (“I’m much too smart, knowledgable & sophisticated to fall for THAT!” )
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 01:46:26 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:46:26 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune for November 9, 2018
Message-ID: <0F0E7F55-3973-441D-BA60-6D88BE72B84D@gmail.com>

[J. B. Nicholson]
Notes on News from Neptune #402
Another "Don't mention the war" edition
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9MEFlfVG2M

A list of links to items mentioned on the show.

Adolph Reed & Lynn Parramore on "Erasing Economics and Economic Policy from Politics: The Race and Xenophobia Sideshow"
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/…/erasing-economics-economi…

Floridian felons can vote now
https://www.vox.com/…/florida-amendment-4-felon-voting-righ…
https://www.economist.com/…/why-the-restoration-of-felons-v…
https://edition.cnn.com/…/pol…/florida-felons-voting-rights/
Related: "More felons regained right to vote in Florida than population of many states"
Scott Galloway's tweet:
The number of people who just got their voting rights restored in Florida is greater than the populations of Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Delaware, Rhode Island, Montana, Maine and New Hampshire.
https://www.politifact.com/…/more-felons-regained-right-vo…/
Ron Kim and Zephyr Teachout on "New York Should Say No to Amazon"
https://www.nytimes.com/…/opi…/amazon-new-york-business.html

Brent Taylor's death in Afghanistan
https://www.nytimes.com/…/utah-mayor-killed-afghanistan-bre…
https://edition.cnn.com/…/polit…/brent-taylor-facebook-trnd/

Tucker Carlson
RT points out the Antifa support -- https://www.rt.com/usa/443499-vox-cofounder-defends-antifa/
https://www.vox.com/…/tucker-carlson-demographics-immigrati…
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/…/protesters_mob_outside_…

Louis Proyect on "Why Democrats Are So Okay With Losing"
https://www.counterpunch.org/…/why-democrats-are-so-okay-w…/

Boilerplate nice-sounding text about Tom Steyer and the "Giving Pledge"
http://thenextgeneration.org/about/people/tom-steyer

Related: Regarding one way in which millionaires keep their money ("what you can do if you're rich" as David put it) reminds me of a recent segment on RT's "Redacted Tonight" based in part on an article from TruthOut.orgcovering money-laundering "charities" in which wealthy people get tax deduction for having given to charities they didn't actually give money to. How does this work?
https://truthout.org/…/how-the-rich-exploit-charitable-giv…/ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXRKFTbvVpM tells the tale.

The wealthier a donor is, the more likely they are to claim a tax deduction for their giving. When 
they do, the public has a legitimate interest in where their gifts are going.

DAFs [donor-advised funds] are financial intermediaries that take in charitable gifts from donors and then grant the money to active charities designated by the donor. Donors claim their tax deduction up front when they donate to the DAF before deciding which public charities
the money should go to.

Originally a creation of community foundations, DAFs have been adopted with a vengeance by for-profit Wall Street firms like Fidelity Investments, Charles Schwab and Vanguard. And the lax rules around these giving vehicles are leaving DAFs ripe for abuse in this aggressive new market.

For every dollar a millionaire or billionaire gives to a donor-advised fund, the US taxpayer provides between 37 and 57 cents of the gift in the form of lost tax revenue, according to Boston College law professor and charitable-giving expert Ray Madoff […]

The folks giving to DAFs aren’t middle-income families. The average donor to a DAF makes more than $2 million annually, according to James Andreoni, a professor of economics at the University of California at San Diego. That puts them in the top one-tenth of 1 percent of
households.

Unlike private foundations, which must distribute 5 percent of their principal assets annually, DAFs can continue to re-invest their funds indefinitely, without ever distributing them to charity. So, by creating their own DAFs, Wall Street investment firms like Fidelity and Charles Schwab are enabling ultra-wealthy clients to collect a charitable tax break without necessarily supporting a charity.

Thomas Piketty's "Capital in the Twenty-first Century"
Book: https://dowbor.org/…/w…/uploads/2014/06/14Thomas-Piketty.pdf
Tax wealth, not income.

Trump calls CNN’s Jim Acosta a "rude, terrible person"
https://on.rt.com/9i3z

Paul Jay with Daniel Ellsberg
Links to part in the series of 8 interviews: https://therealnews.com/…/reality-asserts-itself-daniel-ell…
You will need to reload that URL to get the links to the newest parts as they are released.

Thomas Pynchon's Proverbs for Paranoids
From https://gravitys-rainbow.pynchonwiki.com/wiki/index.php…
1. You may never get to touch the Master, but you can tickle his creatures.
2. The innocence of the creature is in inverse proportion to the immorality of the Master.
3. If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers.
4.You hide, They seek.
5. Paranoids are not paranoids because they're paranoid, but because they keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately into paranoid situations.

-J

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 15:22:58 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:22:58 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?b?VGhlIOKAmFdhciBQYXJ0eeKAmSBXaW5zIHRo?=
 =?utf-8?q?e_Midterm_Elections?=
Message-ID: <F77866A6-3E53-4D38-B92E-B5B888C48551@gmail.com>

<https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/11/10/war-party-wins-midterm-elections-accelerating-transition-multipolar-world-order.html>

...we are faced with a scenario that delivers the country to the war party, that faction composed of Republicans and Democrats who respond to the interests of specific conglomerates of power and not to the citizens who elected them. The real winners of the midterms appear to be the intelligence agencies, Wall Street and the banks, the ratings agencies, the Fed, the mainstream media, think-tanks, policy-makers, and the military-industrial complex. Donald Trump has come to discover, in his first two years as president, how little autonomy he has in foreign policy, thanks to the warmongering of the US establishment.

The realist view of foreign policy on which Trump based his election campaign was swept away just a few days after his victory. Hoping to bribe the hawks in Washington, Trump surrounded himself with neoconservatives, who only ended up trying to box him into something that resembles the Washington Consensus, where every attempt at dialogue with opponents is seen as a surrender or sign of weakness…

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 16:26:05 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 10:26:05 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Two states pass Constitutional measures to protect
	the preborn
References: <1541866668199.0dbb552e-dc08-4381-9143-088afaa89b6c@bf10a.hubspotemail.net>
Message-ID: <24834C29-25C3-4AA1-86C3-A01ACCC224A2@gmail.com>

Live Action is an American anti-abortion non-profit organization founded in 2003 by then 15 year-old Lila Rose. 

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> VICTORY: Two states pass Constitutional measures to protect the preborn <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W4rmwgX6xRRWnN64rCs5kF5Sf0/5/f18dQhb0Sq5L8YHtcbW8JcdyC50RnyCW1VwVZp31XjVDW1FSlSw2P7_nXVcnTGj992gLmW4t8DYJ6bwHN7W5DQqV095S7FPW4s2Rj597zmCSW6RwHrr1njVbFVbY3Tj5XZjWBW1rlCRf20Z1wmW6MrwFp3fmbVPW1ksGJh1R4_lXW1V5BV87jfSnXW7jDlfB5B4LrzW1lQ1-Y5x55y7W1zz6XN5x5KNkW7-XB_566wKTCVVVW1H32p-C3W4cMfVr36SCw9W2KFZxK3-HGCfW5xW9qf55T8N8W7w3wPS1NC3KcW1F6KTt1D9Hp7W7k-M9-56j_c5W1S34Tm6jLDzdVq2pps51mF-rN4c_K1qwZVF9W4gPn5y1WdbYwW4lHSRp2PydggW8VVLMT8-tWp4W92GPvz8__m8gW2JWVWC2PgCtsW1W_yTn4n7wr1W1ZtfNR2LpVv7W7ZjRz_6CRnW5W9j9yjN4Pw1VkW2sbPxn2fxlyxW4t2tJk2HB0s1W7YgNmb1sN9vVW8rTsg-7mt3V-W6WDkJz8BF6xLVR0FVF3R1Y2dW8cQmMr4mLrFqW21TVv43s16mVW4R4NrZ4Hzl-kf7Yr-bB11>
> Two out of three states that had pro-life measures on the ballot on Election Day 2018 have now seen those measures successfully passed by voters. Read more <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W8rvLK81WWH1lW9jdlv010p_bN0/5/f18dQhb0Sq5L8YHtcbW8JcdyC50RnyCW1VwVZp31XjVDW1FSlSw2P7_nXVcnTGj992gLmW4t8DYJ6bwHN7W5DQqV095S7FPW4s2Rj597zmCSW6RwHrr1njVbFVbY3Tj5XZjWBW1rlCRf20Z1wmW6MrwFp3fmbVPW1ksGJh1R4_lXW1V5BV87jfSnXW7jDlfB5B4LrzW1lQ1-Y5x55y7W1zz6XN5x5KNkW7-XB_566wKTCVVVW1H32p-C3W4cMfVr36SCw9W2KFZxK3-HGCfW5xW9qf55T8N8W7w3wPS1NC3KcW1F6KTt1D9Hp7W7k-M9-56j_c5W1S34Tm6jLDzdVq2pps51mF-rN4c_K1qwZVF9W4gPn5y1WdbYwW4lHSRp2PydggW8VVLMT8-tWp4W92GPvz8__m8gW2JWVWC2PgCtsW1W_yTn4n7wr1W1ZtfNR2LpVv7W7ZjRz_6CRnW5W9j9yjN4Pw1VkW2sbPxn2fxlyxW4t2tJk2HB0s1W7YgNmb1sN9vVW8rTsg-7mt3V-W6WDkJz8BF6xLVR0FVF3R1Y2dW8cQmMr4mLrFqW21TVv43s16mVW4R1rFX4HzlZrf5-Fx5J11>
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> Rev. Franklin Graham: Blessing abortion center like blessing 'gas chambers at Auschwitz' <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W1qVwhh3QsPw7N5xRlNCyLfxD0/5/f18dQhb0S9r79jx9mvW8JcdyC50RnyCW1VwVZp31XjVDW1FSlRy2P7_nXVcnTGj992gLmW4t8DYJ6bwHN7W5DQqV095S7FPW4s2Rj5984pQ3W4sqw-54s9WHpW50wtY16R2N8pW2xp2RY2HtVKfW7cVwvN6R2XcBW7lPCcr1mH006W61SSZm7mG7sDW51vX4y6GBtzgW6c-1p76RqSxfW24ZWfd2TGBLcW6trFPS47YlYyW4bfcHb47XqssVGTp915F_2JdW3Xc3-48YyzQSW1BqcjB6tpCdLW5Wj_Wb5-2sjBW7ZzDyK7GLjPjW2LHb_q6rGTqVW1fq7mR1N46mKW2bTsYK7JLjCsW6Bt2Tz86w0FDW7HLd282bJm2SW88lWFC7r0G9GW6KBFF_6tyJlrW7bgHd77nVPPBW7nVmX_6lVRl5W6TlkWk19B7bsW1PlpNV6wHB1TW1Gc-4p1fjQJfW42kg7656Vy1fW4psH-C1NFfl4W8P4D7p50CYL5MRzXXxQc8B5W29HK566bDrvVW1CksCf7gYszfW3MZ7zZ8B-Ht-W23D49F6vc5dBW6JGv8T8n_gQxW6MXFTL13fYwcN2z7R2zcSmXzf83NzbJ02>
> Graham likened blessing an abortion facility to “blessing murder,” adding, “They are blessing actions that are against the laws of God. That would be like priests standing outside the gas chambers at Auschwitz and blessing the murder of innocent Jews. Such evil.” Read more <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W16nkNY2JlkLnVB-y4153jnyQ0/5/f18dQhb0S9r79jx9mvW8JcdyC50RnyCW1VwVZp31XjVDW1FSlRy2P7_nXVcnTGj992gLmW4t8DYJ6bwHN7W5DQqV095S7FPW4s2Rj5984pQ3W4sqw-54s9WHpW50wtY16R2N8pW2xp2RY2HtVKfW7cVwvN6R2XcBW7lPCcr1mH006W61SSZm7mG7sDW51vX4y6GBtzgW6c-1p76RqSxfW24ZWfd2TGBLcW6trFPS47YlYyW4bfcHb47XqssVGTp915F_2JdW3Xc3-48YyzQSW1BqcjB6tpCdLW5Wj_Wb5-2sjBW7ZzDyK7GLjPjW2LHb_q6rGTqVW1fq7mR1N46mKW2bTsYK7JLjCsW6Bt2Tz86w0FDW7HLd282bJm2SW88lWFC7r0G9GW6KBFF_6tyJlrW7bgHd77nVPPBW7nVmX_6lVRl5W6TlkWk19B7bsW1PlpNV6wHB1TW1Gc-4p1fjQJfW42kg7656Vy1fW4psH-C1NFfl4W8P4D7p50CYL5MRzXXxQc8B5W29HK566bDrvVW1CksCf7gYszfW3MZ7zZ8B-Ht-W23D49F6vc5dBW6JGv8T8n_gQxW6MXFTL13fYwcN1p0kYFcSGmxf4yTV-f02>
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> Mom's photos of 'perfect' 14-week miscarried son have saved other babies <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W1cvq7g4qvvlBW2zKpML2z20xk0/5/f18dQhb0Sq5G8YHsY-W8JcdyC50RnyCW1VwVZp31XjVDW1FSlRk2P7_nXVcnTGj992gLmW4t8DYJ6bwHN7W5DQqV095S7FPW4s2Rj597jKwBW1nY9904WJkWNW6bN1pW6Pc46fW50SHRN69NJYyW5158MX999f65W6PVKcr6N3nBLW8xGZLj5c8jdTVf7XDL51vDD6W2zMw2b47xq4vW2FDWTl3SQgn2W3_CV3g1yr2ztW7G4xVS1YTF-HW7TVphb1pqBNSW1ks0Kj38yYSNW31by0s8hz0YsW806yj370ml3sW3r3JtW7Jr1gwW68_Fqx6Vh7vGW8Z0dzr7BQvDxW5YPkP891Lh1zW7jpWYg5Kj3pJW6Jv18s924Z0mVJ6jBv5Y5JbcW1hJ-P-66t7jqW5-sqNq1gfv1tW7q3lQC8bxq4mW2PVr4T8TbDrNW8cj5RB4f_s-tW5DhGg82--HPnW3KQy4d8csLSqW1036KD5G3ktsW3nGg_65rfj0JW5gdJcb3sm0yMV10N9F5xftxrW407J9R5RF_ccW2vKvSW90pPmxW1Kc_DJ3bqx0GN7q8WZZLG01PMtS5X61pwSDf6z2qmq03>
> A 40-year-old mother of 11 children in Missouri has shared photos of her miscarried baby in the hope that people will see the humanity of preborn children. Read more <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W960-8g2DJ4zqW8HnFNB5cR43n0/5/f18dQhb0Sq5G8YHsY-W8JcdyC50RnyCW1VwVZp31XjVDW1FSlRk2P7_nXVcnTGj992gLmW4t8DYJ6bwHN7W5DQqV095S7FPW4s2Rj597jKwBW1nY9904WJkWNW6bN1pW6Pc46fW50SHRN69NJYyW5158MX999f65W6PVKcr6N3nBLW8xGZLj5c8jdTVf7XDL51vDD6W2zMw2b47xq4vW2FDWTl3SQgn2W3_CV3g1yr2ztW7G4xVS1YTF-HW7TVphb1pqBNSW1ks0Kj38yYSNW31by0s8hz0YsW806yj370ml3sW3r3JtW7Jr1gwW68_Fqx6Vh7vGW8Z0dzr7BQvDxW5YPkP891Lh1zW7jpWYg5Kj3pJW6Jv18s924Z0mVJ6jBv5Y5JbcW1hJ-P-66t7jqW5-sqNq1gfv1tW7q3lQC8bxq4mW2PVr4T8TbDrNW8cj5RB4f_s-tW5DhGg82--HPnW3KQy4d8csLSqW1036KD5G3ktsW3nGg_65rfj0JW5gdJcb3sm0yMV10N9F5xftxrW407J9R5RF_ccW2vKvSW90pPmxW1Kc_DJ3bqx0GN7q8WZZLG048DrTzpYP2Ztf8YhY4s03>
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> President Trump: 'Adoption affirms the inherent value of human life' <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W88Qrv_2WBdb2W4N_9041-CDTn0/5/f18dQhb0Sq5G8YHsY-W8JcdyC50RnyCW1VwVZp31XjVDW1FSlRk2P7_nXVcnTGj992gLmW4t8DYJ6bwHN7W5DQqV095S7FPW4s2Rj597z5xNW6N3sVL1xR2gHW48H0tz5LqNGrW57TfxM2d50TCW6BQwyt7JtTqnW8mnw907bjnYCW3kPLP735_cYnW85MDZq11vHn1W1skgT03cLMY0W23-nGK265VBJW22-rtF6b-XbTW5kh_7d3gPWjwW1wchBz5RpkcdW3bqp848vgXt0W4yc3CK3sSDqDW5kmcLG2Jb9P5W4rvGbz4WY3DjW34v08q5WCxdgW4VJwlt3xdhjgW2wDCjW3YnVrxW3dzzFd6TrQS8W4rWL-d556mL1W3C6t0P6_XC-9W3vBFqP3bQHJjW4Gh4p_5l_sVBW2KwG_F5jSTHmW4cJ3wM5Wn15HW6cZJvC6p0MKLW3xp_Wz4Ft106N45Ly2MkwRPgW8rXRDC2Wc-bpW2Phk__7Blky5W257SCS2j-SgtW2L5Ghq8ktFBcW3ck7Q66C10R3N2m2BjKgHgvPW6YtRkZ6VR6sVN91Q5MW-nv60V9ZLgk5F25yT111>
> In his proclamation for November as National Adoption Month, President Trump acknowledged the importance of adoption in affirming that “every child—born and unborn—is wanted and loved.” Read more <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W527rQF3-V-XwW8q0KwQ5_lv_L0/5/f18dQhb0Sq5G8YHsY-W8JcdyC50RnyCW1VwVZp31XjVDW1FSlRk2P7_nXVcnTGj992gLmW4t8DYJ6bwHN7W5DQqV095S7FPW4s2Rj597z5xNW6N3sVL1xR2gHW48H0tz5LqNGrW57TfxM2d50TCW6BQwyt7JtTqnW8mnw907bjnYCW3kPLP735_cYnW85MDZq11vHn1W1skgT03cLMY0W23-nGK265VBJW22-rtF6b-XbTW5kh_7d3gPWjwW1wchBz5RpkcdW3bqp848vgXt0W4yc3CK3sSDqDW5kmcLG2Jb9P5W4rvGbz4WY3DjW34v08q5WCxdgW4VJwlt3xdhjgW2wDCjW3YnVrxW3dzzFd6TrQS8W4rWL-d556mL1W3C6t0P6_XC-9W3vBFqP3bQHJjW4Gh4p_5l_sVBW2KwG_F5jSTHmW4cJ3wM5Wn15HW6cZJvC6p0MKLW3xp_Wz4Ft106N45Ly2MkwRPgW8rXRDC2Wc-bpW2Phk__7Blky5W257SCS2j-SgtW2L5Ghq8ktFBcW3ck7Q66C10R3N2m2BjKgHgvPW6YtRkZ6VR6sVN91Q5MWZVSLKV9ZLdS8cnSLl111>
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> Abortionist leaves surgical instrument inside 31-year-old patient, killing her <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W8vm9yw8QskQtW4hBXQX5VT-B10/5/f18dQhb0SnGY9jx8jCW8JcdyC50RnyCW1VwVZp31XjVDW1FSlRf2P7_nXVcnTGj992gLmW4t8DYJ6bwHN7W5DQqV095S7FPW4s2Rj598kLnfW2xpfL68g3kQ4W7JCz5q8mnbltW7t-3Rg5ZggD6W6V4zHd7tKFwlW6VSm7-79S-G6W3w91q41ksGJhW1R4_lX1V5BV8W7jfSnX7jTLm9W20WxqZ7k9zDmN1D9fD46dNFzW1L4xyj6FKg-TW2VXmCg7cBcChW1SdKWJ1c77HlVpGhSZ2lyKtrW7sZgDL1tBsMLW1txG9N6GsfdKW8XNh8_7JM7wkW1FpJ3F4-XkVHW7v41sC2XtC9FW8XNFJT1GmCSYW4lXs9h4ft1KwW7zw1Mw4mnk2VW492KZr1HG0LPW1Fnwnm1Q3-ZDW4bvN0q1TcPH7W1BL3fj6mGw8_VjVz0l7tpYgbN1Fqh4WrhTTXW2F6CHf5GWL9KW3dhTnc5x5svhW4PxC8j448lxLW3R4tcn47xh90W2-PWK22sG3T_N4vgKM142cYPW3nNLJS6GstngN4Fm8VmJHPVsW80hkGb6TT5xkW3sxMvX1Bl1p5W2-zyFj1XlrFsS4Rr1XvvJQ102>
> Presidential Women’s Center in West Palm Beach is implicated in the death of a 31-year-old woman from complications following an elective abortion. This abortion facility already has several botched abortions on record. Read more <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*MNLz1R6170JMFVLDsFfFk00/5/f18dQhb0SnGY9jx8jCW8JcdyC50RnyCW1VwVZp31XjVDW1FSlRf2P7_nXVcnTGj992gLmW4t8DYJ6bwHN7W5DQqV095S7FPW4s2Rj598kLnfW2xpfL68g3kQ4W7JCz5q8mnbltW7t-3Rg5ZggD6W6V4zHd7tKFwlW6VSm7-79S-G6W3w91q41ksGJhW1R4_lX1V5BV8W7jfSnX7jTLm9W20WxqZ7k9zDmN1D9fD46dNFzW1L4xyj6FKg-TW2VXmCg7cBcChW1SdKWJ1c77HlVpGhSZ2lyKtrW7sZgDL1tBsMLW1txG9N6GsfdKW8XNh8_7JM7wkW1FpJ3F4-XkVHW7v41sC2XtC9FW8XNFJT1GmCSYW4lXs9h4ft1KwW7zw1Mw4mnk2VW492KZr1HG0LPW1Fnwnm1Q3-ZDW4bvN0q1TcPH7W1BL3fj6mGw8_VjVz0l7tpYgbN1Fqh4WrhTTXW2F6CHf5GWL9KW3dhTnc5x5svhW4PxC8j448lxLW3R4tcn47xh90W2-PWK22sG3T_N4vgKM142cYPW3nNLJS6GstngN4Fm8VmJHPVsW80hkGb6TT5xkW3sxMvX1Bl1p5W2-zyFj1SplF4Snf75qqL6X102>
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> It's final: Trump won't force objecting employers to pay for contraceptives <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*N8NvDbfwT-WCW68xDk17H4RLK0/5/f18dQhb0S9r49jx7fKW8JcdyC50RnyCW1VwVZp31XjVDW1FSlTk2P7_nXVcnTGj992gLmW4t8DYJ6bwHN7W5DQqV095S7FPW4s2Rj597z5xNW6N3sXQ2HLbSYW51NhsN7N_CC-W9dP5pW3D3WkTW6W3Mdn8mw0RlW5V5kB79bTNXYW954KlM4P0Yt6W2c4K7J2jZT9yW35sdzj7sL8QNW1wbXMH60gfxsW601c-s1tmXX4W5-2t4N1k5sppW2Rxr-s7wVyPFW1NG6p258QS0VW6tpCdS5Wj_WbW5-2sjB7ZzDyKW7GLjPj2LHb_qW6rGTqV1fq7mRW1N46mK2bTsYKW7JLjCs6Bt2TzW86w0FD7HLd28W2bJm2S88lWFCW7r0G9G6KBFF_W6tyJlr7bgHd7W7nVPPB7nVmX_W6lVRl56TlkWkW19B7bs1PlpNVW6wHB1T1Gc-4pW1fjQJf42kg76W4Jcf1x4psH-CW1NFfl48P4D7pN50CYL5RzXXxVQc8B529HK56W6bDrvV1CksCfW7gYszf3MZ7zZW8B-Ht-23D49FW6vc5dB6JGv8TW8n_gQx6MXFTLW13fYwc2z7R2zMcSwQRRbHL7102>
> The Trump administration has just finalized a rule change that allows employers with “religious or moral objections” to opt out of paying for birth control for employees, including potentially abortifacient types of contraceptives. Read more <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W8CBS1x4ghJ73W4m9tbG3s6Zm40/5/f18dQhb0S9r49jx7fKW8JcdyC50RnyCW1VwVZp31XjVDW1FSlTk2P7_nXVcnTGj992gLmW4t8DYJ6bwHN7W5DQqV095S7FPW4s2Rj597z5xNW6N3sXQ2HLbSYW51NhsN7N_CC-W9dP5pW3D3WkTW6W3Mdn8mw0RlW5V5kB79bTNXYW954KlM4P0Yt6W2c4K7J2jZT9yW35sdzj7sL8QNW1wbXMH60gfxsW601c-s1tmXX4W5-2t4N1k5sppW2Rxr-s7wVyPFW1NG6p258QS0VW6tpCdS5Wj_WbW5-2sjB7ZzDyKW7GLjPj2LHb_qW6rGTqV1fq7mRW1N46mK2bTsYKW7JLjCs6Bt2TzW86w0FD7HLd28W2bJm2S88lWFCW7r0G9G6KBFF_W6tyJlr7bgHd7W7nVPPB7nVmX_W6lVRl56TlkWkW19B7bs1PlpNVW6wHB1T1Gc-4pW1fjQJf42kg76W4Jcf1x4psH-CW1NFfl48P4D7pN50CYL5RzXXxVQc8B529HK56W6bDrvV1CksCfW7gYszf3MZ7zZW8B-Ht-23D49FW6vc5dB6JGv8TW8n_gQx6MXFTLW13fYwc1p0kYFVcSnP-6Gmnxk102>
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> Twins! NFL's Benjamin Watson makes epic pregnancy announcement <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*N8ZTvB_C4JyJW8RLZw26zbkMs0/5/f18dQhb0S3gW2WsnzyN11-dsW5rybMVDHzZL7JPsgJW5GcF7G6zGyhFW30x4H-67cjlGW22lbmY5pMCj4N7ZgdyFDNGLLV3WCyh6Q8N1rW53jFRC3j_GHBW5g2-YG3WzWnMW6ZRPmh56GyHgW7s4V-031hH2WW1-shrY5kKGyBN77mZJZ-JdBzW5w5GJb4x4ZqnVm0Vs45bmBlSW1crb3K6mTPQ6W4Kf9tC8bslJdMjlvnvpdlXLW1nkyhg3n2McTVx0N3F6NwWL-N3RsJ58tYm4nW13WtQk2dZ1H3W35hdXz8j4hxSW5RqkM07lc3DyW7Yh5pd2tjc__W6HSwB-7X3PV2N6mFcgnQ4x5hN1rCQbS5BJBmW5J2Ltb6G9X4mW29MR4Z3kS_yFW30VC0T6_RF3lW3PjntX495XckW8Sz8cr3bp1LJVV8rFK7N_fS-W6KgBq74pxHlyW4l4B_g4z5KXDW1wSYlN696ycGVJlTq96Dy6TZW28vFzc2DDWHfW4R-zdV8WSl_fN1N5H8kqxB11W5-nB3k66K5BtN7ylKmtjx3q7W2kNHBy88x51SW5ySpTh8X4YG2W3wHyJs70wqWvf6H6nmz03>
> Benjamin Watson, tight end for the New Orleans Saints, made a memorable announcement in his end zone celebration on Sunday. Read more <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W5hY-sZ6ZxHN_W4vmmll5MV5F20/5/f18dQhb0S3gW2WsnzyN11-dDP5rybMVDHtlk7GQWTfW3jYGXQ1VZZmcW1gyzpv2VlCPlW44G-jD1qqPcBW4c7_Ng1fxXg3V7Qc9j4p5SbcVLxVmm6C0mt5W171Z-l8-1yjyN4zDs5-WcFWxW6hGbWl7rq1n2W5TVv1v1jkTPbVsbws93TP6L0W6sxsXd83sKTHW2Kbz5R4jmzx0Vnj8F_4mgzt5M5F_TN1WQkDW2zDgb62ZZdRbW1LqLm58q3_gZW4h-b2N5Fv6ctW2vnC2H3_jY1rW83z8Yd8Mk5-_W5Y7_vb18JVq_W98SWFG4Yj42yN7kC005JkDF4W6P4zKd3x_1mpW6Pjtv-3bkfK7N5KzWf7qky41W3-23TP24S5QCW8HV-_s86lDPCW6v2Tfd970mPRW2f4p9-5qct_2W7l8rcr3nsTJ1W1MkhN26bTG9wW43qVtd6v0F_lW4v25563-wj-7W2H_qsJ696ydSW4l3L5Q7KM2HyW8GYgK217pkwsVDHXBB7z2PNTW74nmNn1F7MzWW59jmQg2j2Vx7W6JrLZ14MnKDBW85BKq799tGX_W6L_KM93sHFdqW4R4NrS9fc3VSf3krJhc02>
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> Pro-lifers outside abortion facilities harassed, doused with bodily fluids <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W6MFLCt2KVt5VVWC2_v3Y9Lp50/5/f18dQhb0Sq5J8Y9XDTN81k0P8HyjJqW3N1NWP63RDNdW3hHhbc5zh-NRVnQ9Qq8--HBkW8-hnWZ2_YZdrW1TxSXP8TzqkrW8W5d6B8ZvGN0W4hLTZ130TVq5VKDZDX2mq1T1W50SPQZ7d022KW1xRjkP2LLySbW1ksGJh1R4_lXW1V5BV87jfSnXW7jTLm920WxqZW7k9zDm1D9fD4V6dNFz1L4xyjW6FKg-T2VXmCgW7cBcCh1SdKWJW1c77Hl1TB7_mW6bnMRg3MKjqPN5rkYxhMMQxXW80gSRf97rB1bW8xr0bm5vMzLKW2vsGYS8qBL-zW66jfy64tV55xVRHQq-6T0Gt-W26LL7r8rR9CLW6Tf4XN6N4hZPN5vVZRbS9LHBVWybHf26dGcrMY65DfPTxBhN39RZRj8rP09W3MJdSk5wM7vYVbGTXH60CwxqW7wTY6v59x8wJN1L3BCmcZLWRW86l7zg7H7tXYW8h2zl05ZBQklW4ZggHG8-y10rVb2_nM6LzX_dW3ZQ3Pp9gJXh5W1rl7g46GtbWCW4lDPMQ6V4y11W3bF9L15_5dj9w3RHVgWdTYf4F1Dzk02>
> It’s often said by the abortion industry that violence is a frequent tactic used by pro-lifers. But the reality is, pro-life demonstrators and sidewalk counselors are frequently targets for violence and harassment by abortion advocates. Read more <https://hs-3419654.t.hubspotemail.net/e2t/c/*TKBlW5hNbZbVX0tb88yG1bw0/*W97QGYh47M-f-W2gv4z83wpvyV0/5/f18dQhb0Sq5J8Y9XDTN81k0P8HyjJqW3N1NWP63RDNdW3hHhbc5zh-NRVnQ9Qq8--HBkW8-hnWZ2_YZdrW1TxSXP8TzqkrW8W5d6B8ZvGN0W4hLTZ130TVq5VKDZDX2mq1T1W50SPQZ7d022KW1xRjkP2LLySbW1ksGJh1R4_lXW1V5BV87jfSnXW7jTLm920WxqZW7k9zDm1D9fD4V6dNFz1L4xyjW6FKg-T2VXmCgW7cBcCh1SdKWJW1c77Hl1TB7_mW6bnMRg3MKjqPN5rkYxhMMQxXW80gSRf97rB1bW8xr0bm5vMzLKW2vsGYS8qBL-zW66jfy64tV55xVRHQq-6T0Gt-W26LL7r8rR9CLW6Tf4XN6N4hZPN5vVZRbS9LHBVWybHf26dGcrMY65DfPTxBhN39RZRj8rP09W3MJdSk5wM7vYVbGTXH60CwxqW7wTY6v59x8wJN1L3BCmcZLWRW86l7zg7H7tXYW8h2zl05ZBQklW4ZggHG8-y10rVb2_nM6LzX_dW3ZQ3Pp9gJXh5W1rl7g46GtbWCW4lDPMQ6V4y11W3bF9L15_5dj9w3HPJg85Vgf87_DBQ02>
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 17:43:41 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 11:43:41 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] NfN notes with corrected, working links
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyEsjuDudvymWaDh2nV29SRj5Qb7NRxndrGY4t0JaMm75w@mail.gmail.com>

[J. B. Nicholson]
Notes on News from Neptune #402
Another "Don't mention the war" edition
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9MEFlfVG2M

A list of links to items mentioned on the show.

Adolph Reed & Lynn Parramore on "Erasing Economics and Economic Policy
from Politics: The Race and Xenophobia
Sideshow"https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/…/erasing-economics-economi…
<https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/erasing-economics-economi%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6>

Floridian felons can vote
nowhttps://www.vox.com/…/florida-amendment-4-felon-voting-righ…
<https://www.vox.com/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/florida-amendment-4-felon-voting-righ%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6>https://www.economist.com/…/why-the-restoration-of-felons-v…
<https://www.economist.com/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/why-the-restoration-of-felons-v%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6>https://edition.cnn.com/…/pol…/florida-felons-voting-rights/
<https://edition.cnn.com/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/pol%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/florida-felons-voting-rights/>
Related: "More felons regained right to vote in Florida than
population of many states"
Scott Galloway's tweet:
The number of people who just got their voting rights restored in
Florida is greater than the populations of Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska,
North Dakota, South Dakota, Delaware, Rhode Island, Montana, Maine and
New Hampshire.https://www.politifact.com/…/more-felons-regained-right-vo…/
<https://www.politifact.com/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/more-felons-regained-right-vo%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/>
Ron Kim and Zephyr Teachout on "New York Should Say No to
Amazon"https://www.nytimes.com/…/opi…/amazon-new-york-business.html
<https://www.nytimes.com/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/opi%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/amazon-new-york-business.html>

Brent Taylor's death in
Afghanistanhttps://www.nytimes.com/…/utah-mayor-killed-afghanistan-bre…
<https://www.nytimes.com/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/utah-mayor-killed-afghanistan-bre%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6>https://edition.cnn.com/…/polit…/brent-taylor-facebook-trnd/
<https://edition.cnn.com/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/polit%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/brent-taylor-facebook-trnd/>

Tucker Carlson
RT points out the Antifa support --
https://www.rt.com/usa/443499-vox-cofounder-defends-antifa/https://www.vox.com/…/tucker-carlson-demographics-immigrati…
<https://www.vox.com/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/tucker-carlson-demographics-immigrati%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6>https://www.realclearpolitics.com/…/protesters_mob_outside_…
<https://www.realclearpolitics.com/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/protesters_mob_outside_%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6>

Louis Proyect on "Why Democrats Are So Okay With
Losing"https://www.counterpunch.org/…/why-democrats-are-so-okay-w…/
<https://www.counterpunch.org/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/why-democrats-are-so-okay-w%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/>

Boilerplate nice-sounding text about Tom Steyer and the "Giving
Pledge"http://thenextgeneration.org/about/people/tom-steyer

Related: Regarding one way in which millionaires keep their money
("what you can do if you're rich" as David put it) reminds me of a
recent segment on RT's "Redacted Tonight" based in part on an article
from TruthOut.orgcovering money-laundering "charities" in which
wealthy people get tax deduction for having given to charities they
didn't actually give money to. How does this
work?https://truthout.org/…/how-the-rich-exploit-charitable-giv…/
<https://truthout.org/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/how-the-rich-exploit-charitable-giv%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/>
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXRKFTbvVpM tells the tale.

The wealthier a donor is, the more likely they are to claim a tax
deduction for their giving. When
they do, the public has a legitimate interest in where their gifts are going.

DAFs [donor-advised funds] are financial intermediaries that take in
charitable gifts from donors and then grant the money to active
charities designated by the donor. Donors claim their tax deduction up
front when they donate to the DAF before deciding which public
charities
the money should go to.

Originally a creation of community foundations, DAFs have been adopted
with a vengeance by for-profit Wall Street firms like Fidelity
Investments, Charles Schwab and Vanguard. And the lax rules around
these giving vehicles are leaving DAFs ripe for abuse in this
aggressive new market.

For every dollar a millionaire or billionaire gives to a donor-advised
fund, the US taxpayer provides between 37 and 57 cents of the gift in
the form of lost tax revenue, according to Boston College law
professor and charitable-giving expert Ray Madoff […]

The folks giving to DAFs aren’t middle-income families. The average
donor to a DAF makes more than $2 million annually, according to James
Andreoni, a professor of economics at the University of California at
San Diego. That puts them in the top one-tenth of 1 percent of
households.

Unlike private foundations, which must distribute 5 percent of their
principal assets annually, DAFs can continue to re-invest their funds
indefinitely, without ever distributing them to charity. So, by
creating their own DAFs, Wall Street investment firms like Fidelity
and Charles Schwab are enabling ultra-wealthy clients to collect a
charitable tax break without necessarily supporting a charity.

Thomas Piketty's "Capital in the Twenty-first Century"
Book: https://dowbor.org/…/w…/uploads/2014/06/14Thomas-Piketty.pdf
<https://dowbor.org/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/w%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/uploads/2014/06/14Thomas-Piketty.pdf>
Tax wealth, not income.

Trump calls CNN’s Jim Acosta a "rude, terrible person"https://on.rt.com/9i3z

Paul Jay with Daniel Ellsberg
Links to part in the series of 8 interviews:
https://therealnews.com/…/reality-asserts-itself-daniel-ell…
<https://therealnews.com/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6/reality-asserts-itself-daniel-ell%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6>
You will need to reload that URL to get the links to the newest parts
as they are released.

Thomas Pynchon's Proverbs for Paranoids
>From https://gravitys-rainbow.pynchonwiki.com/wiki/index.php…
<https://gravitys-rainbow.pynchonwiki.com/wiki/index.php%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%A6>
1. You may never get to touch the Master, but you can tickle his creatures.
2. The innocence of the creature is in inverse proportion to the
immorality of the Master.
3. If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to
worry about answers.
4.You hide, They seek.
5. Paranoids are not paranoids because they're paranoid, but because
they keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately into
paranoid situations.

-J
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 17:49:46 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 11:49:46 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] NfN links
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyFg+2zCOMLHNEp9MycFEtgaHLH799fTwamCHeaZKtGTbA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, the links I sent don't work either.
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 17:58:41 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 11:58:41 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords: obfuscate, obscurantism, bamboozle
In-Reply-To: <B03C2B4E-B4A2-451B-9CC1-0A0DA6F4AB0D@illinois.edu>
References: <B03C2B4E-B4A2-451B-9CC1-0A0DA6F4AB0D@illinois.edu>
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Ron, you’ve managed to bamboozle me - or at least obfuscate for me the point of your circulating these quotations from the dictionary. Regards, Carl

> On Nov 9, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Keywords  110918
> A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
> 
> ob·fus·cate  (ŏb′fə-skāt′, ŏb-fŭs′kāt′)
> tr.v. ob·fus·cat·ed, ob·fus·cat·ing, ob·fus·cates
> 1. To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand: "A great effort was made ... to obscure or obfuscate the truth" (Robert Conquest).
> 2. To render indistinct or dim; darken: The fog obfuscated the shore.
> [Latin obfuscāre, obfuscāt-, to darken : ob-, over; see ob- + fuscāre, to darken (from fuscus, dark).]
> ob′fus·ca′tion n.
> ob·fus′ca·to′ry (ŏb-fŭs′kə-tôr′ē, əb-) adj.
> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
> 
> obfuscation (ˌɒbfʌsˈkeɪʃən)  n
> the act or an instance of making something obscure, dark, or difficult to understand
> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
> 
> obfuscation
> the process of darkening or obscuring so as to hinder ready analysis.
> See also: Thinking
> 
> ob·scur·ant·ism  (ŏb-skyo͝or′ən-tĭz′əm, əb-, ŏb′skyo͝o-răn′-)  n.
> 1. The principles or practice of obscurants.
> 2. A policy of withholding information from the public.
> 3. a. A style in art and literature characterized by deliberate vagueness or obliqueness.
> b. An example or instance of this style.
> 
> ob·scur′ant·ist n.
> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
> 
> ob•scu•rant•ism (əbˈskyʊər ənˌtɪz əm, ˌɒb skyʊˈræn tɪz əm)   n.
> 1. opposition to the increase and spread of knowledge.
> 2. deliberate obscurity or evasion of clarity.
> ob•scu′rant•ist, n., adj.
> Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.
> 
> obscurantism
> the use of argument intended to prevent enlightenment or to hinder the process of knowledge and wisdom. Also spelled obscuranticism. — obscurantist, n. — obscurant, obscurantic, adj.
> See also: Argumentation
> 
> 
> bam·boo·zle  (băm-bo͞o′zəl)
> tr.v. bam·boo·zled, bam·boo·zling, bam·boo·zles Informal
> 1. To deceive or dupe; hoodwink. See Synonyms at deceive.
> 2. To confuse; bewilder.
> [Origin unknown.]
> bam·boo′zle·ment n.
> bam·boo′zler n.
> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
> 
> bamboozle (bæmˈbuːzəl)
> vb (tr)
> 1. to cheat; mislead
> 2. to confuse
> [C18: of unknown origin]
> bamˈboozler n
> bamˈboozlement n
> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
> 
> bam•boo•zle (bæmˈbu zəl) 
> 
> v. -zled, -zling. v.t.
> 1. to deceive or get the better of by underhandedness; hoodwink.
> 2. to perplex; mystify.
> v.i.
> 3. to practice trickery, deception, or the like.
> [1695–1705; orig. uncertain]
> bam•boo′zle•ment, n.
> bam•boo′zler, n.
> Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.
> 
> —  from the online Free Dictionary by Farlex (q.v.)  
> ——
> 
> <Sagan on bamboozle.jpg>
> From:  The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark  (1996), p. 241.
> 
> Frequently noted:  It is usually far easier to bamboozle people than to get them to admit they have been bamboozled.   (“I’m much too smart, knowledgable & sophisticated to fall for THAT!” )  
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 23:30:04 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:30:04 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The End of the Great War
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyHLgFsouy0AnJp9rTWoU6kg0SZm2GCUXCnS_9_ZNrHCrw@mail.gmail.com>

https://solidarity-us.org/atc/197/end-of-great-war/
The End of "The Great War"Allen Ruff

WORLD WAR I drew to a close a hundred years ago with the cease-fire on
Europe’s Western Front, the Armistice of November 11, 1918. It then came to
a formal conclusion with the German signing of the Allied-dictated “Treaty
of Versailles” in late June, 1919 and subsequent Paris accords imposed upon
Berlin’s co-belligerents, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Turkey and Bulgaria.

At its end, the war left old class-based social and political antagonisms
and national grievances unresolved and created massive new ones. As such,
it would have immense impacts on social and political currents down to the
present — making the study of the war’s events much more than an academic
pursuit.

The “Great War” had come about as a result of imperialist rivalries and, in
the view of historian Arno Mayer and others, parallel attempts by various
ruling circles to divert or blunt increasing domestic, internal class
tensions — decades of mounting class conflict and increasing challenges
from the organized labor and socialist movements.

The class struggle, temporarily derailed as it were in 1914 by chauvinist
calls for “national unity” and defense of respective homelands, did not go
away, but resurged in one country after another as the prolonged cataclysm
inflicted ever increasing tolls upon the popular classes.

The conflict marked the appearance of modern “total war,” protracted
warfare that targeted not only each belligerent’s combatants but their
productive capacities and resources. As such, it exacted an unprecedented
toll on the laboring classes at “the rear” while necessitating their full
social and economic mobilization and sacrifice.

A monstrous zero-sum game demanding “total victory” — the unconditional
surrender of the vanquished and a vindictive penal “peace” — it precluded
the chances of a lasting, stable postwar world.

Harnessing the latest in scientific development, technological innovation
and mass production techniques for military ends (the airplane, the tank,
the submarine, poison gas and the machine gun), the war’s industrialized
mass slaughter resulted in an estimated 40 million casualties, dead and
wounded, the majority of them civilian. (By 1914, to be sure, each of
Europe’s dominant “civilized nations” had long engaged in the mass murder
of millions deemed racially inferior and expendable worldwide.)

Contagious disease, especially typhus and influenza, continuing into the
postwar years, took perhaps the heaviest toll, numbering in the tens of
millions among populations weakened by hunger and exposure. Leaving entire
societies physically devastated, the war and its aftermath additionally
created millions of displaced — an estimated four to five million refugees
set in motion between 1914 and ’22.
Massive Transformations

Nowhere among the European belligerents (except perhaps in England) did the
war’s destruction, deprivations and forced movement of populations allow
the prewar social order to remain unscathed as the conflict telescoped and
intensified pre-existing social cleavages.

Well before its conclusion, the issue had become not whether the war would
change the political and social face of Europe — but how extensive and deep
the transformations would be. It ended with not only a major power
reshuffling of the global order, but also societies torn by internecine
conflicts, many of which took on the character of protracted civil wars
with varying degrees of political and class violence.

The war additionally exacted far more than the immense physical and
material toll. Unrelenting suffering and loss, especially during the
conflict’s latter two years, affected the perceptions, thoughts and desires
of Europe’s masses.

As the cataclysm plodded on, fanning flames of resentment and desperation,
it forced countless millions to think about fundamental issues involving
war and peace, justice and oppression and the folly of their leaders’
wisdom in ways that had never before seemed possible or required. As a
result, the world would never be the same. (Kolko, 105).

Various classes fared differently in different countries, of course. Those
cushioned by old accumulated wealth and class privilege, and the
beneficiaries of industrial and finance capital, did well as war demand, as
usual, generated immense profits.

So too, did black marketeers and profiteering middling merchants even as
war-induced inflation, scarcities and rationing of necessities gnawed at
the wellbeing of urban middle and white-collared classes — those rentiers,
shopkeepers, civil servants on fixed incomes and petit professionals,
layers that would soon display widespread receptivity to reactionary
postwar political currents.

And while those remaining in the countryside, at least in those
agricultural regions not laid waste or stripped of resources, fared better
in general than those in the cities, the laboring classes as a whole faced
the greatest hardships, both as military fodder and as hard-pressed
home-front toilers.

The war’s devastation, dislocations and hardship, most significantly, paved
the way for the Russian Revolution — the regime change of March (February)
1917 and then the November (October) Bolshevik-led soviets’ seizure of
state power, in class terms the first successful social revolution since
1789.

The October Revolution and the opposing counterrevolution shaped the way
the war ended and the contours of the immediate postwar era.
War’s End and Social Upheaval

The war moved toward a conclusion not solely because of the often
attributed Allied counteroffensive following a failed last-ditch German
effort to take Paris in Spring 1918. The end had already come into view by
mid-1917 as war weary battered troops on all sides, encouraged by news of
Russia’s February Revolution, proved increasingly reluctant to fight any
further.

Following a disastrous failed offensive that April, for example, mutinies
and associated disruptions occurred among nearly half the French infantry
divisions deployed on the Western Front. In Germany, a harbinger of later
events came that August in the form of a short-lived mutiny of 4000 sailors
in the northern port of Wilmershaven.

On the Austro-Italian front at Caporetto in that fall, some 250,000
hard-pressed Italian troops surrendered to the enemy in what amounted to a
mass desertion.

Paralleling such rising discontent in the military, ongoing strikes and
mass demonstrations in cities such as Berlin, Turin and Vienna took on an
increasingly political character. In Eastern and Central Europe especially,
military rebellions and left-organized home front demonstrations and
strikes demanding bread and peace increasingly doomed the Central Powers’
further prosecution of the war.

In Berlin in January, 1918 a demonstration organized by radical shop
stewards, largely employed in the city’s munitions factories and
independent of the trade union and Social Democratic (SPD) leadership,
brought out some 400,000 workers and touched off solidarity demonstrations
by millions nationwide. Protesting not just deteriorating conditions, they
called for “peace without reparations” and democratic reform in what
amounted to a dress rehearsal for later events.

That same month witnessed a mass general strike against the war in
Budapest, again a preview of things to come. Mass strikes by hundreds of
thousands in Vienna and surrounding industrial towns during the same period
also made increasingly political demands. A February 1918 sailors’ mutiny
aboard Austro-Hungary’s Adriatic fleet, though brief, sent its own signals.

In Allied Italy, strikes in war industries, unrest among the white-collared
middle classes, women-led protests in food markets and rural peasant
mobilizations surged in the late spring.

In Germany by the following fall, the Reich’s high command faced an
untenable situation — the threat of a U.S.-bolstered Allied offensive
threatening a push into the German heartland, an incredibly hard-pressed,
famished and radicalizing working class at home, and increasing
rebelliousness in the military, especially in the navy.

With initial armistice discussions already underway in early October, the
German leadership finally capitulated as the growing threat of revolution,
kicked off in early November by a mass rebellion of sailors throughout the
country’s northern ports, spread among workers in Berlin and beyond.

By the 9th, with workers’ and soldiers’ councils forming in numerous
locales, the Kaiser abdicated and the reigns of government passed to a
conservative SPD leadership fearful of communist-lead dual power forming
from below. The Armistice came two days later.
The Absent Presence at Paris

While representatives from 24 nations and additional aggrieved peoples
convened at the Paris Peace Conference beginning on January 18, 1919,
several major players remained conspicuous in their absence.

The defeated Central Powers, denied any say in the deliberations, awaited
the victors’ terms. Technically denied a presence since it had already
signed a “separate peace” with Berlin, the infant “Russian Soviet
Federative Socialist Republic” was also excluded. The threat its very
existence posed to ruling classes everywhere nevertheless pervaded the
conference deliberations and framed the outcomes.

What transpired at Paris did not take place in a vacuum but was shaped by
widespread and still-contested social and political ferment set in motion
by the war and the Bolshevik example.The Soviet regime’s calls for
international revolution aside, its immediate actions had already made it
an absolute pariah guilty of committing a host of crimes against the
capitalist order.

On November 8, 1917, the day after it took power, the Revolution issued a
“Decree on Land” that formally passed crown, church and private estates to
the peasantry and erased its debt.

A Lenin-authored “Peace Decree” that same day announced Russia’s intention
to withdraw from the war and appealed for an immediate armistice and
transparent peace negotiations “involving representatives of all peoples or
nations…involved in or compelled to take part in the war.” Significantly,
it called for peace without territorial annexations or reparations.

Days later, the Revolution began publishing a host of secret Entente
treaties signed by the Czarist and Provisional governments retrieved from
the Russian Foreign Office. Soon distributed abroad, those compacts for the
postwar division of territorial spoils exposed the Allies’ actual war aims
and discredited the various “defensive war” justifications of the alliance.

Included among them were a 1915 agreement between Paris, London and St.
Petersburg which established that upon victory, the Czarist Empire would
receive Constantinople, France would recover Alsace-Lorraine and London
could take control of Persia.

Revealed as well was that April’s “Treaty of London” signed by Russia,
Britain, France and then-neutral Italy, promising significant territorial
gains to the latter for joining the war against Austria-Hungary.

Other revelations included accords defining the future division of the
Ottoman Middle East. Among these was a copy of the Anglo-French
“Sykes–Picot Agreement,” the basis for postwar partitioning which, along
with double-dealing British promises to both Arab and Zionist leaders,
mapped the region’s coming century of conflict.

The trove also contained an August, 1916 promise for territorial
aggrandizement that brought Romania into the war; a July 1916
Russo-Japanese accord for the “mutual defense” of their holdings in China;
an Anglo-French-Belgian agreement divvying up Germany’s African holdings,
and much more.

Russia’s foreign debt, already the largest in the world in 1913, had more
than tripled during the war. The Bolsheviks suspended payments on it in
early January, 1918.

The next month, sending shock waves through the international capitalist
order, Petrograd repudiated billions of dollars of pre-existing and
war-incurred private and state-to-state debt primarily owed French, as well
as British, Italian and Japanese creditors and investors.[For Eric
Toussaint’s detailed discussion of Russia’s revolutionary debt repudiation,
see www.solidarity-us.org/atc/195/rr-tzarist-debt/ — ed.]

Entente indignation then became apoplexy with the Bolsheviks’ signing of a
formal “separate peace” with the Central Powers, the Treaty of
Brest-Litovsk of March 3, 1918. While assuring the survival of the infant
Revolution at immense material and territorial cost, it enraged the Allies
as Russia’s exit allowed the German high command to shift major forces
westward for their massive push on Paris.

To the horror of ruling classes worldwide, word of Brest-Litovsk —
initially the negotiations and an accompanying months-long cease fire, and
then the actual agreement — galvanized increasing demands for peace among
the war-weary everywhere.
Peace and Specters of Revolution

Still swirling as the Peace Conference convened, the German Revolution that
began the previous November provided a key backdrop for the deliberations
at Paris. The smoke and rubble from Berlin’s premature communist-led
“Spartacist Uprising” of January 4-15, 1919 had barely cleared when the
attendees first convened days later.

The revolt was crushed with the approval of now-governing SPD reformists by
well-armed Frei Korps militias deployed by the military command, but news
of Berlin’s class war did not escape the dignitaries’ notice. Neither could
word of additional revolutionary insurgencies.

The short-lived Bavarian or “Munich Rate-republik” (soviet), soon defeated
by German reaction, was established in April 1919. The month prior, the
Hungarian Soviet Republic led by Bela Kun took power in Budapest, lasting
until the following August when it was overthrown by a French-backed
Romanian invasion. All this deeply intensified concerns at Paris.

Events in Italy, enveloped at the time in the social and political post-war
“Biennio Rosso” (Red Biennium, 1918-1920), added to the bourgeois
attendees’ unease as did a global spike of social unrest — in Britain,
Egypt and India for example.

Beginning well before the Armistice, in the summer of 1918 and continuing
during and after the Paris conference with its endless talk of “the right
to self-determination,” some fourteen countries (among them Britain,
France, the United States, Japan, Poland, Canada, Greece, Serbia and
Romania), all present at the peace conference, sent an estimated 180,000
troops to assist the counterrevolution against the Soviet Republic.

As part of the Armistice agreement, the Allies even allowed Germany,
overnight a counterrevolutionary ally, to keep its troops in those Russian
territories ceded at Brest-Litovsk in order to keep the Soviet government
from retaking them. (In the west, in contrast, disarmed German forces were
required to withdraw east of the Rhine.)

That attempt to strangle the Revolution would continue until the Red Army
proved victorious in late 1920. (A Japanese occupation army would remain in
eastern Siberia until 1922.)

Accompanied by mass famine, the civil war took more Russian lives than the
World War, an estimated 1.5 million combatants and eight million civilians.

Additional realities shaped the Paris deliberations as the end of the war
left no old government standing between the French border and the Sea of
Japan. (Hobsbawm, 29) Various conservative nationalist movements and
diverse democratic and revolutionary forces looked to fill the resulting
power vacuums.

“Self-determination” had come to hold different meaning for various
movements of nations and peoples, ethno-linguistic and confessional groups
and classes often pitted against each other. Demands for independence and
republican rule and statehood, hopes for some new order versus the
restoration of reconfigured ruling class power, and the question of
dictatorship versus popular democracy and the extension of franchise
reverberated globally.

Such evolving facts on the ground impacted upon the results at Paris.
Versailles Results and Consequences

The major terms of the Versailles Treaty were ultimately decided during
numerous closed deliberations among the “Big Three” — Britain, France and
the United States. (Initially, there had been a “Big Five” but a rebuffed
Japan withdrew and Italy sporadically played a junior role.)

Their agreements were then distributed as accomplished facts for the other
delegates’ ratification and for the signatures, under threat of resumed
hostilities, of Germany’s representatives. While the “Big Three” had
differing priorities regarding Germany and its co-belligerents, they were
joined in their determination to overthrow the Bolshevik regime or to at
least halt the revolution’s spread.

The Treaty’s final version included a “war guilt clause” that tagged
Germany, alone among the imperial powers, with responsibility for the
conflict.

Under threat of a resumption of open hostilities and the continuation of a
“starvation blockade” by the British navy, Germany’s representatives signed
the “Versailles Dictat” which burdened the nation with impossible
reparation payments, loss of territory east and west that left millions of
German speakers beyond newly imposed frontiers, French troops on its soil,
the drastic reduction of its military, and forfeiture of all its colonial
possessions.

In order to approach paying off the onerous reparations (approximately $442
billion in today’s money), the SPD-led Weimar Republic would soon take to
printing vast sums of fiat money to finance the purchase of exchangeable
hard currency. The result was a disastrous hyperinflation that prolonged
popular class hardship and compounded national resentments across the
ideological spectrum.

In brief, what British economist John Maynard Keynes, present at Paris,
labelled a doomed “Carthaginian peace” created new resentments and
grievances that fanned the smoldering coals of ultra-nationalism and
eventually, support for Nazism.

Allied Italy also came away from Paris a loser, denied the territories
promised it upon joining the Entente cause in 1915. As a result, the
perception that the country paid a heavy price in a meaningless war and had
come away with a “mutilated victory” (vittoria mutilata) became an
important element of ultra-nationalist grievance and fascist propaganda.

Other results included a cobbled-together Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia
comprised of diverse ethno-linguistic and confessional groups — a future
source of gnawing social and political conflict — an enlarged Romania, a
resurrected Poland, Baltic states and Finland, and a greatly diminished
Austria and Hungary.

The war’s outcome also energized nationalist demands and often conflicted
anti-colonial movements of subject peoples in India, Vietnam, Indonesia,
Iraq, the Philippines, China, all across the former Ottoman Empire, Africa,
Central Asia and elsewhere.

Imperial Japan, offering to join the Entente in exchange for German
territories in China and the Pacific, had entered the war in August 1914.
It proceeded to seize German holdings in China and the Pacific, and in 1917
made secret agreements with Britain, France and Italy that promised
annexation of those territories at war’s end. But as Japanese imperialism
sought to expand on the mainland, it came head up against British, and
especially U.S. strategic interests in the Asia/Pacific.

Long aware of the discriminatory treatment and racist exclusion of its
citizens in the U.S. and British “white dominions,” and determined to win
recognition as an equal among the imperial powers, Tokyo’s Paris
representatives not only laid claim to the former German possessions but
introduced a motion to include a “racial equality” provision in the
Covenant of the League of Nations, then under deliberation.

The proposed stipulation would have granted “…to all alien nationals of
states, members of the League, equal and just treatment in every respect
making no distinction, either in law or in fact, on account of their race
or nationality.” That would have conceded the major powers’ recognition of
Japan as an equal. But Britain and especially the United States, with
Woodrow Wilson playing a key role, blocked its passage.

To placate Tokyo, Wilson then voiced support for Japan’s China and Pacific
territorial claims which, in turn, were included in the final peace treaty.
Nonetheless, the rejection of the racial equality clause subsequently
strengthened the hand of the nation’s ultra-nationalists and militarists
looking to grab even more of China.

Additionally, word of the Japan concessions set off widespread nationalist
and anti-imperialist demonstrations, beginning at Beijing on May 4, 1919.
What became the “May Fourth Movement” laid foundations for the coming of
Chinese communism and the nation’s 20th century history.

The Paris treaties designated compulsory postwar “exchanges of populations”
by states forced millions to move: 1.3 million Greeks repatriated to Greece
from Turkey while 400,000 Turks went eastward; 200,000 Bulgarians moved to
their “national home,” and upwards of two million Russian nationals
escaping the revolution found themselves homeless. (Hobsbawm, 50-51)

The mandated expulsions and displacement of ethnic and national minorities
occurred on such a scale that a new term, “stateless people” came into
being. “Genocide” would enter the vocabulary to describe that first modern
attempt to eliminate an entire population under cover of the war, the
Turkish annihilation of perhaps two million Armenians.
Imperialism’s New World Disorder

A major result of the war, the Bolshevik Revolution inspired numerous class
insurgencies and anti-colonial struggles worldwide as it simultaneously
induced reactionary responses among the defenders of the bourgeois order.

With the defeat of the postwar revolutionary upsurge in Europe, most
significantly in Germany but also in Italy, Hungary, Austria and elsewhere
in 1918-1920, that first audacious attempt to build a new society from the
ruins of the war was forced to go it alone, made to face the immense
obstacles inherited from the harsh legacies of uneven and combined
backwardness, made worse by the War’s devastation, civil war, encirclement
and economic blockade.

Relatedly, the unsuccessful Civil War attempt to overthrow the revolution
by force marked the turn by Britain, France and the United States toward
differing strategies of containment. Indeed, it was the Bolsheviks’
understanding and perceived necessity to internationalize the Revolution
and the imperial powers’ determined hostility and direct intervention
against it — long before the outcome of the Second World War — that marked
the true beginning of the Cold War. (Morrow, 305)

The United States came out of the war positioned to challenge Britain not
only as a center of the global capitalist order but as a leading
counterrevolutionary bulwark. Already looking toward an enhanced postwar
position, it had entered the conflict not as a formal member of the
Entente, but as an autonomous “Associated Power” not bound by pre-existing
Allied agreements and free to pursue its own strategic objectives.

On January 8, 1918, Woodrow Wilson outlined his proposed terms for a
postwar peace process, his “Fourteen Points,” often lauded as the failed
initiative of an idealist liberal statesman hampered later by British and
French vindictive priorities at Versailles and by stateside Republican
opponents.

That Wilsonian vision called for the removal of all economic barriers,“free
trade,” while maintaining U.S. interventionist prerogatives; diplomatic
transparency, self-determination for Europe’s national minorities, and a
“League of Nations” to mediate international disputes.

This package can best be understood as a liberal counter to Lenin’s
November, 1917 “Peace Decree” and an attempt to frame a postwar environment
favorable to U.S. interests. Espousing the rhetoric of “self determination”
for national minorities and the equality of nations, Wilson at Versailles
in essence played various nationalist cards against the Bolsheviks’
class-based appeal.

The creation of a zone of small Eastern European nation-states, a
conservative “quarantine belt” against the “Bolshevik bacilli,” did become
a shared goal among the often contentious imperialist powers at Paris and
indeed a reality after 1920.

But while the major Allied powers agreed with the goal of overturning or
isolating the Soviet heresy, the British, and especially the French, in no
rush to resuscitate and reintegrate the historic rival and capitalist
dynamo at the heart of Europe, remained committed to exacting retribution
and blocking future German ambitions.

They remained leery, as well, of war-enhanced U.S. power wrapped in the
rhetoric of liberal Wilsonian internationalism.
Towards New Catastrophe

“Free of foreign entanglements,” the United States never ratified the
Versailles Treaty nor joined the League of Nations, but signed separate
peace treaties with Germany, Austria and Hungary only in 1921. Not part of
the reparations regime, it continued to do business with Germany, and it
was American short-term loans and private capital investment that assisted
the Weimar’s economic recovery in the mid-1920s.

That returned economic stability allowed the country to meet reduced
reparations payments owed Britain and France, which then used the funds to
pay down their war debts to the United States — a circular system that
worked well until the crash of 1929. (Morrow, 293)

The ascent to superpower hegemony and “American Century” aspirations would
have to wait until after 1945. But under the rhetorical haze of “self
determination for oppressed peoples” and a “liberal internationalist” right
to intervene anywhere, U.S. policy became the determined opponent of
independent nationalist and anti-colonial efforts, and all movements even
remotely tainted by the communist virus, whether in reality or in the
imaginings of Washington and Wall Street.

The two interwar decades, largely due to the conflict’s outcomes, were
marred by incessant instability. They witnessed horrific civil wars, bitter
class conflict, the international capitalist crisis that was the Great
Depression, the Soviet turn toward the building of “socialism in one
country,” and fascism’s reactionary assault upon both socialism and liberal
democracy.

Years filled with crises, they witnessed the reemergence of imperialist
rivalry and aggression as competing powers, the First War’s emboldened
winners and aggrieved losers alike, readied and rehearsed for what amounted
to the next round of what has been called the “Second Thirty Years’ War” of
1914-45.

Among the contenders, were a revived expansionist Germany and Italy, and
the United States and Japan. The latter had both come out of the First War
already situated to challenge Britain, which would never be the same
afterwards, for leadership of the capitalist order. The past became prelude.
Selected Readings

The historiography on the World War and its aftermath is massive, of
course. Below are several titles, older and more recent, that contain
valuable insights.

Eric Hobsbawm, The Age of Extremes — A History of the World, 1914-1991
(Pantheon/Random, 1995)

Gabriel Kolko, Century of War: Politics, Conflicts and Society Since 1914
(New Press, 1994)

Mark Mazower, The Dark Continent: Europe’s Twentieth Century
(Random/Vintage 1998/2000)

Arno Mayer, The Politics and Diplomacy of Peace­making — Containment and
Counterrevolution at Versailles, 1918-1919 (Knopf, 1967)

John H. Morrow, Jr., The Great War — An Imperial History (Routledge, 2004)

Adam Tooze, The Deluge — The Great War, America, and the Remaking of the
Global Order, 1916-1931 (Penguin, 2014)

Enzo Traverso, Fire and Blood —The European Civil War, 1914-1945 (Verso,
2016)

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From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 07:33:32 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords: obfuscate, obscurantism, bamboozle
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obfuscate and bamboozle seem to be intellectually onomatopoetic



Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote:
> Keywords  110918
> A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
>
> ob·fus·cate (ŏb′fə-skāt′, ŏb-fŭs′kāt′)
> /tr.v./ *ob·fus·cat·ed*, *ob·fus·cat·ing*, *ob·fus·cates*
> *1. *To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or 
> understand: /"A great effort was made ... to obscure or obfuscate the 
> truth"//(Robert Conquest)./
> *2. *To render indistinct or dim; darken: /The fog obfuscated the shore./
> [Latin obfuscāre, obfuscāt-, /to darken/ : ob-, /over/; see *ob-* + 
> fuscāre, /to darken/ (from fuscus, /dark/).]
> *ob′fus·ca′tion*/n./
> *ob·fus′ca·to′ry* (ŏb-fŭs′kə-tôr′ē, əb-)/adj./
> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. 
> Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. 
> Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights 
> reserved.
>
> obfuscation(ˌɒbfʌsˈkeɪʃən)/n/
> the act or an instance of making something obscure, dark, or difficult 
> to understand
> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 
> 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 
> 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
>
> *obfuscation*
> the process of darkening or obscuring so as to hinder ready analysis.
> See also: *Thinking* <https://www.thefreedictionary.com/thinking>
>
> ob·scur·ant·ism (ŏb-skyo͝or′ən-tĭz′əm, əb-, ŏb′skyo͝o-răn′-)/n./
> *1. *The principles or practice of obscurants.
> *2. *A policy of withholding information from the public.
> *3.**a. *A style in art and literature characterized by deliberate 
> vagueness or obliqueness.
> *b. *An example or instance of this style.
>
> *ob·scur′ant·ist*/n./
> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. 
> Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. 
> Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights 
> reserved.
>
> ob•scu•rant•ism(əbˈskyʊər ənˌtɪz əm, ˌɒb skyʊˈræn tɪz əm) /n./
> *1. *opposition to the increase and spread of knowledge.
> *2. *deliberate obscurity or evasion of clarity.
> *ob•scu′rant•ist,* /n., adj./
> Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K 
> Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All 
> rights reserved.
>
> *obscurantism*
> the use of argument intended to prevent enlightenment or to hinder the 
> process of knowledge and wisdom. Also spelled *obscuranticism*. — 
> *obscurantist,* /n./ — *obscurant, obscurantic,* /adj./
> See also: *Argumentation* 
> <https://www.thefreedictionary.com/argumentation>
>
>
> bam·boo·zle (băm-bo͞o′zəl)
> /tr.v./ *bam·boo·zled*, *bam·boo·zling*, *bam·boo·zles* /Informal/
> *1. *To deceive or dupe; hoodwink. See Synonyms at *deceive* 
> <https://www.thefreedictionary.com/deceive>.
> *2. *To confuse; bewilder.
> [/Origin unknown/.]
> *bam·boo′zle·ment*/n./
> *bam·boo′zler*/n./
> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. 
> Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. 
> Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights 
> reserved.
>
> bamboozle(bæmˈbuːzəl)
> /vb/ (/tr/)
> *1. *to cheat; mislead
> *2. *to confuse
> [C18: of unknown origin]
> *bamˈboozler* /n/
> *bamˈboozlement* /n/
> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 
> 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 
> 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
>
> bam•boo•zle(bæmˈbu zəl)
>
> /v. /*-zled, -zling.* /v.t./
> *1. *to deceive or get the better of by underhandedness; hoodwink.
> *2. *to perplex; mystify.
> /v.i./
> *3. *to practice trickery, deception, or the like.
> [1695–1705; orig. uncertain]
> *bam•boo′zle•ment,* /n./
> *bam•boo′zler,* /n./
> Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K 
> Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All 
> rights reserved.
>
> —  from the online Free Dictionary by Farlex (q.v.)
> ——
>
> Sagan on bamboozle.jpg
> From: /The Demon-Haunted World/: Science as a Candle in the Dark 
> (1996), p. 241.
>
> Frequently noted:  It is usually far easier to bamboozle people than 
> to get them to admit they have been bamboozled.   (“I’m much too 
> smart, knowledgable & sophisticated to fall for THAT!” )
>
>
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sat Nov 10 23:53:35 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 23:53:35 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] charlatan, heresy, heretic
Message-ID: <C409F85E-F086-4DAF-A7E0-A2E471D26480@illinois.edu>

Keywords  111018
A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics

>   charlatan, heresy, heretic

char·la·tan  (shär′lə-tən)  n.
A person who makes elaborate, fraudulent, and often voluble claims to skill or knowledge; a quack or fraud.
[French, from Italian ciarlatano, probably alteration (influenced by ciarlare, to prattle) of cerretano, inhabitant of Cerreto, a city of Italy once famous for its quacks.]
char′la·tan′ic (-tăn′ĭk), char′la·tan′i·cal adj.
char′la·tan·ism, char′la·tan·ry n.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

charlatan (ˈʃɑːlətən)  n.
someone who professes knowledge or expertise, esp in medicine, that he or she does not have; quack
[C17: from French, from Italian ciarlatano, from ciarlare to chatter]
ˈcharlatanˌism, ˈcharlatanry  n
ˌcharlatanˈistic adj
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

char•la•tan (ˈʃɑr lə tn)   n.
a person who pretends to special knowledge or skill that he or she does not possess; quack; fraud.  [1595–1605; < Middle French < Italian ciarlatano, b. ciarlatore chatterer and cerretano hawker, quack, literally, native of Cerreto a village in Umbria]
char′la•tan•ism, char′la•tan•ry, n.
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.

her·e·sy  (hĕr′ĭ-sē)  n. pl. her·e·sies
1.
a. An opinion or a doctrine at variance with established religious beliefs, especially dissension from or denial of Roman Catholic dogma by a professed believer or baptized church member.
b. Adherence to such dissenting opinion or doctrine.
2.
a. A controversial or unorthodox opinion or doctrine, as in politics, philosophy, or science.
b. Adherence to such controversial or unorthodox opinion.
[Middle English heresie, from Old French, from Late Latin haeresis, from Late Greek hairesis, from Greek, a choosing, faction, from haireisthai, to choose, middle voice of hairein, to take.]
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

heresy (ˈhɛrəsɪ)
n, pl -sies
1. (Theology)
a. an opinion or doctrine contrary to the orthodox tenets of a religious body or church
b. the act of maintaining such an opinion or doctrine
2. any opinion or belief that is or is thought to be contrary to official or established theory
3. belief in or adherence to unorthodox opinion
[C13: from Old French eresie, from Late Latin haeresis, from Latin: sect, from Greek hairesis a choosing, from hairein to choose]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

her·e·tic  (hĕr′ĭ-tĭk)   n.
A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted dogma of the Roman Catholic Church.
adj.  Heretical.
[Middle English heretik, from Old French heretique, from Late Latin haereticus, from Greek hairetikos, able to choose, factious, from hairetos, chosen, from haireisthai, to choose; see heresy.]
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

heretic (ˈhɛrətɪk)
n
1. (Roman Catholic Church) chiefly RC Church a person who maintains beliefs contrary to the established teachings of the Church
2. a person who holds unorthodox opinions in any field
heretical adj
heˈretically adv
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

her•e•tic (ˈhɛr ɪ tɪk; adj. also həˈrɛt ɪk)   n.
1. a professed believer who maintains religious beliefs contrary to those accepted by his or her church.
2. a professed believer who willfully and persistently rejects any part of the doctrine of his or her church.
3. anyone who does not conform to an established view, doctrine, or principle.
adj.
4. heretical.<https://www.thefreedictionary.com/heretical>
[1300–50; Middle English < Middle French heretique < Late Latin haereticus < Greek hairetikós able to choose (Late Greek: heretical), derivative of hairet(ós) that may be taken, v. adj. of haireîn to choose]
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.

>  How to deal with heretics, by the official philosopher-theologian of the Roman Catholic Church:
St. Thomas Aquinas, On Law, Morality and Politics  (Hackett Pub. Co., 1988), pp. 255-257: “Ought Heretics to be Tolerated?”  [From Summa Theologiae, II,II, Quotation 11: “Of Heresy,” Article III, as translated by the  Dominican Fathers and excerpted by William P. Baumgarth & Richard J. Regan, S.J., eds.]
—> Endorses a sort of “three strikes” procedure before rendition of persistent heretics to the secular authorities, who were to carry out the actual killing in the auto-da-fe (“Act of the faith”), usually by burning at the stake but sometimes only in effigy.  (Full-scale burnings were public spectacles. difficult to organize & expensive to carry out.  Sometimes they lost money.)
See Henry Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition (New American Library, 1965, 339 pp.). The revised fourth edition is available in paperback from Amazon.

“We weren’t expecting the Spanish Inquisition!”  — Monty Python
[ NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! ]

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 00:37:19 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:37:19 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords: obfuscate, obscurantism, bamboozle
In-Reply-To: <913e5f3e-e913-ef6e-9517-cbbcf631b173@pigs.ag>
References: <B03C2B4E-B4A2-451B-9CC1-0A0DA6F4AB0D@illinois.edu>
 <913e5f3e-e913-ef6e-9517-cbbcf631b173@pigs.ag>
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Oh, no, Ma! Too Poetic!


> On Nov 11, 2018, at 1:33 AM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> obfuscate and bamboozle seem to be intellectually onomatopoetic
> 
> 
> 
> Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote:
>> Keywords  110918
>> A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
>> 
>> ob·fus·cate  (ŏb′fə-skāt′, ŏb-fŭs′kāt′)
>> tr.v. ob·fus·cat·ed, ob·fus·cat·ing, ob·fus·cates
>> 1. To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand:          "A great effort was made ... to obscure or obfuscate the truth" (Robert Conquest).
>> 2. To render indistinct or dim; darken: The fog obfuscated the shore.
>> [Latin obfuscāre, obfuscāt-, to darken : ob-, over; see ob- + fuscāre, to darken (from fuscus, dark).]
>> ob′fus·ca′tion n.
>> ob·fus′ca·to′ry (ŏb-fŭs′kə-tôr′ē, əb-) adj.
>> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
>> 
>> obfuscation (ˌɒbfʌsˈkeɪʃən)  n
>> the act or an instance of making something obscure, dark, or difficult to understand
>> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
>> 
>> obfuscation
>> the process of darkening or obscuring so as to hinder ready analysis.
>> See also: Thinking
>> 
>> ob·scur·ant·ism  (ŏb-skyo͝or′ən-tĭz′əm, əb-, ŏb′skyo͝o-răn′-)  n.
>> 1. The principles or practice of obscurants.
>> 2. A policy of withholding information from the public.
>> 3. a. A style in art and literature characterized by deliberate vagueness or obliqueness.
>> b. An example or instance of this style.
>> 
>> ob·scur′ant·ist n.
>> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
>> 
>> ob•scu•rant•ism (əbˈskyʊər ənˌtɪz əm, ˌɒb skyʊˈræn tɪz əm)   n.
>> 1. opposition to the increase and spread of knowledge.
>> 2. deliberate obscurity or evasion of clarity.
>> ob•scu′rant•ist, n., adj.
>> Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.
>> 
>> obscurantism
>> the use of argument intended to prevent enlightenment or to hinder the process of knowledge and wisdom. Also spelled obscuranticism. — obscurantist, n. — obscurant, obscurantic, adj.
>> See also: Argumentation
>> 
>> 
>> bam·boo·zle  (băm-bo͞o′zəl)
>> tr.v. bam·boo·zled, bam·boo·zling, bam·boo·zles Informal
>> 1. To deceive or dupe; hoodwink. See Synonyms at deceive.
>> 2. To confuse; bewilder.
>> [Origin unknown.]
>> bam·boo′zle·ment n.
>> bam·boo′zler n.
>> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
>> 
>> bamboozle (bæmˈbuːzəl)
>> vb (tr)
>> 1. to cheat; mislead
>> 2. to confuse
>> [C18: of unknown origin]
>> bamˈboozler n
>> bamˈboozlement n
>> Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
>> 
>> bam•boo•zle (bæmˈbu zəl) 
>> 
>> v. -zled, -zling. v.t.
>> 1. to deceive or get the better of by underhandedness; hoodwink.
>> 2. to perplex; mystify.
>> v.i.
>> 3. to practice trickery, deception, or the like.
>> [1695–1705; orig. uncertain]
>> bam•boo′zle•ment, n.
>> bam•boo′zler, n.
>> Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.
>> 
>> —  from the online Free Dictionary by Farlex (q.v.)  
>> ——
>> 
>> <Sagan on bamboozle.jpg>
>> From:  The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark  (1996), p. 241.
>> 
>> Frequently noted:  It is usually far easier to bamboozle people than to get them to admit they have been bamboozled.   (“I’m much too smart, knowledgable & sophisticated to fall for THAT!” )  
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Sun Nov 11 01:05:38 2018
From: galliher at illinois.edu (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:05:38 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] charlatan, heresy, heretic
In-Reply-To: <C409F85E-F086-4DAF-A7E0-A2E471D26480@illinois.edu>
References: <C409F85E-F086-4DAF-A7E0-A2E471D26480@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <3313E7CC-F20E-4A6A-8B78-C7880EB727EC@illinois.edu>

https://www.firstthings.com/article/1995/12/aquinas-and-the-heretics

An interesting article on the matter from the late Michael Novak <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Novak>. 

I edited a college magazine with him long ago, and - altho’ we didn’t agree on much - he wasn’t stupid and writes well on this subject.

And Henry Kamen is an interesting historian. Wikipedia writes, it seems to me accurately, 

"He has been one of the leading historians who have attacked the traditional 'black legend' view of the Spanish Inquisition. His own views have changed since he published a book about the Inquisition in the 1960s: his 1998 book provides extensive evidence that the Inquisition was not made up of fanatics who rejoiced in torture and executions and that, for example, Inquisition gaols were better run and more humane than ordinary Spanish prisons.

"One of the most important living historians of Spain, Kamen has devoted his career, most famously in his revisionist books on Philip II and on the Spanish Inquisition, to taking on the so-called Black Legend, promoted by Spain's opponents. That he has in many ways succeeded, thanks to decades of engaged scholarship, in fundamentally altering historians' understanding of 15th- and 16th-century Spain is testimony to the force of his arguments and the depth and quality of his rigorous, archive-based research. [The Atlantic Monthly (Boston), 2012.]"


> On Nov 10, 2018, at 5:53 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> […]
> 
>> How to deal with heretics, by the official philosopher-theologian of the Roman Catholic Church:  
> St. Thomas Aquinas, On Law, Morality and Politics  (Hackett Pub. Co., 1988), pp. 255-257: “Ought Heretics to be Tolerated?”  [From Summa Theologiae, II,II, Quotation 11: “Of Heresy,” Article III, as translated by the  Dominican Fathers and excerpted by William P. Baumgarth & Richard J. Regan, S.J., eds.]
> —> Endorses a sort of “three strikes” procedure before rendition of persistent heretics to the secular authorities, who were to carry out the actual killing in the auto-da-fe (“Act of the faith”), usually by burning at the stake but sometimes only in effigy.  (Full-scale burnings were public spectacles. difficult to organize & expensive to carry out.  Sometimes they lost money.) 
> See Henry Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition (New American Library, 1965, 339 pp.). The revised fourth edition is available in paperback from Amazon.
> 
> […]
> 

From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Nov 11 01:32:22 2018
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:32:22 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] NfN #402 notes
Message-ID: <809e5c2f-7371-861e-035f-2e5028231ea4@forestfield.org>

Perhaps these links will work for you.


News from Neptune #402
Another "Don't mention the war" edition
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9MEFlfVG2M

A list of links to items mentioned on the show.


Adolph Reed & Lynn Parramore on "Erasing Economics and Economic Policy from 
Politics: The Race and Xenophobia Sideshow"

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/11/erasing-economics-economic-policy-politics-race-xenophobia-sideshow.html






Floridian felons can vote now

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/6/18052374/florida-amendment-4-felon-voting-rights-results

https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2018/11/09/why-the-restoration-of-felons-voting-rights-in-florida-is-a-big-deal

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/florida-felons-voting-rights/

Related: "More felons regained right to vote in Florida than population of 
many states"

Scott Galloway's tweet:

> The number of people who just got their voting rights restored in 
> Florida is greater than the populations of Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska, 
> North Dakota, South Dakota, Delaware, Rhode Island, Montana, Maine and 
> New Hampshire.
https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/nov/08/steve-galloway/more-felons-regained-right-vote-florida-population/








Ron Kim and Zephyr Teachout on "New York Should Say No to Amazon"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/opinion/amazon-new-york-business.html







Brent Taylor's death in Afghanistan

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/04/us/utah-mayor-killed-afghanistan-brent-taylor.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/05/politics/brent-taylor-facebook-trnd/







Tucker Carlson

RT points out the Antifa support -- 
https://www.rt.com/usa/443499-vox-cofounder-defends-antifa/

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/21/17146866/tucker-carlson-demographics-immigration-fox-news

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/11/08/protesters_mob_outside_tucker_carlsons_house_call_him_racist_scumbag.html








Louis Proyect on "Why Democrats Are So Okay With Losing"

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/11/09/why-democrats-are-so-okay-with-losing/







Boilerplate nice-sounding text about Tom Steyer and the "Giving Pledge"

http://thenextgeneration.org/about/people/tom-steyer

Related: Regarding one way in which millionaires keep their money ("what 
you can do if you're rich" as David put it) reminds me of a recent segment 
on RT's "Redacted Tonight" based in part on an article from TruthOut.org 
covering money-laundering "charities" in which wealthy people get tax 
deduction for having given to charities they didn't actually give money to. 
How does this work?

https://truthout.org/articles/how-the-rich-exploit-charitable-giving-rules-to-hoard-their-fortunes/ 
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXRKFTbvVpM tells the tale.

> The wealthier a donor is, the more likely they are to claim a tax 
> deduction for their giving. When they do, the public has a legitimate 
> interest in where their gifts are going.
> 
> DAFs [donor-advised funds] are financial intermediaries that take in 
> charitable gifts from donors and then grant the money to active 
> charities designated by the donor. Donors claim their tax deduction up 
> front when they donate to the DAF before deciding which public
> charities the money should go to.
> 
> Originally a creation of community foundations, DAFs have been adopted 
> with a vengeance by for-profit Wall Street firms like Fidelity 
> Investments, Charles Schwab and Vanguard. And the lax rules around
> these giving vehicles are leaving DAFs ripe for abuse in this aggressive
> new market.
> 
> For every dollar a millionaire or billionaire gives to a donor-advised 
> fund, the US taxpayer provides between 37 and 57 cents of the gift in 
> the form of lost tax revenue, according to Boston College law professor 
> and charitable-giving expert Ray Madoff.
> 
> [...]
> 
> The folks giving to DAFs aren’t middle-income families. The average 
> donor to a DAF makes more than $2 million annually, according to James 
> Andreoni, a professor of economics at the University of California at 
> San Diego. That puts them in the top one-tenth of 1 percent of 
> households.
> 
> Unlike private foundations, which must distribute 5 percent of their 
> principal assets annually, DAFs can continue to re-invest their funds 
> indefinitely, without ever distributing them to charity. So, by
> creating their own DAFs, Wall Street investment firms like Fidelity and
> Charles Schwab are enabling ultra-wealthy clients to collect a
> charitable tax break without necessarily supporting a charity.








Thomas Piketty's "Capital in the Twenty-first Century"

Book: https://dowbor.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/14Thomas-Piketty.pdf






Trump calls CNN’s Jim Acosta a "rude, terrible person"

https://on.rt.com/9i3z





Paul Jay with Daniel Ellsberg

Links to part in the series of 8 interviews: 
https://therealnews.com/series/reality-asserts-itself-daniel-ellsberg

You will need to reload that URL to get the links to the newest parts as 
they are released.





Thomas Pynchon's Proverbs for Paranoids

 From 
https://gravitys-rainbow.pynchonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Proverbs_for_Paranoids

1. You may never get to touch the Master, but you can tickle his creatures.

2. The innocence of the creature is in inverse proportion to the immorality 
of the Master.

3. If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry 
about answers.

4.You hide, They seek.

5. Paranoids are not paranoids because they're paranoid, but because they 
keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately into paranoid situations.

-J

From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Nov 11 01:33:28 2018
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:33:28 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] NfN links
In-Reply-To: <CAOiGAyFg+2zCOMLHNEp9MycFEtgaHLH799fTwamCHeaZKtGTbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiGAyFg+2zCOMLHNEp9MycFEtgaHLH799fTwamCHeaZKtGTbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018c86a2-d3db-ad52-d0b7-1c40a450ba40@forestfield.org>

David Green via Peace-discuss wrote:
> Sorry, the links I sent don't work either.

I suspect Apple Mail is to blame here -- it appears to be turning URLs into 
shorter URLs by adding ellipses and there's no valid way to do that without 
wrecking the URL.

I've posted the links to a new thread on peace-discuss and hopefully that 
will work.

-J

From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 01:56:47 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:56:47 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] NfN #402 notes
In-Reply-To: <809e5c2f-7371-861e-035f-2e5028231ea4@forestfield.org>
References: <809e5c2f-7371-861e-035f-2e5028231ea4@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyGQJgbOYeM-FepVAuvBG4+yPOZiiJx3e0c8CVLWD40nEw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you!

On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 7:32 PM J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Perhaps these links will work for you.
>
>
> News from Neptune #402
> Another "Don't mention the war" edition
> Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9MEFlfVG2M
>
> A list of links to items mentioned on the show.
>
>
> Adolph Reed & Lynn Parramore on "Erasing Economics and Economic Policy
> from
> Politics: The Race and Xenophobia Sideshow"
>
>
> https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/11/erasing-economics-economic-policy-politics-race-xenophobia-sideshow.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Floridian felons can vote now
>
>
> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/6/18052374/florida-amendment-4-felon-voting-rights-results
>
>
> https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2018/11/09/why-the-restoration-of-felons-voting-rights-in-florida-is-a-big-deal
>
> https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/florida-felons-voting-rights/
>
> Related: "More felons regained right to vote in Florida than population of
> many states"
>
> Scott Galloway's tweet:
>
> > The number of people who just got their voting rights restored in
> > Florida is greater than the populations of Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska,
> > North Dakota, South Dakota, Delaware, Rhode Island, Montana, Maine and
> > New Hampshire.
>
> https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/nov/08/steve-galloway/more-felons-regained-right-vote-florida-population/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ron Kim and Zephyr Teachout on "New York Should Say No to Amazon"
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/opinion/amazon-new-york-business.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Brent Taylor's death in Afghanistan
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/04/us/utah-mayor-killed-afghanistan-brent-taylor.html
>
> https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/05/politics/brent-taylor-facebook-trnd/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tucker Carlson
>
> RT points out the Antifa support --
> https://www.rt.com/usa/443499-vox-cofounder-defends-antifa/
>
>
> https://www.vox.com/2018/3/21/17146866/tucker-carlson-demographics-immigration-fox-news
>
>
> https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/11/08/protesters_mob_outside_tucker_carlsons_house_call_him_racist_scumbag.html
>
>
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> Louis Proyect on "Why Democrats Are So Okay With Losing"
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> https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/11/09/why-democrats-are-so-okay-with-losing/
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> Boilerplate nice-sounding text about Tom Steyer and the "Giving Pledge"
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> http://thenextgeneration.org/about/people/tom-steyer
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> Related: Regarding one way in which millionaires keep their money ("what
> you can do if you're rich" as David put it) reminds me of a recent segment
> on RT's "Redacted Tonight" based in part on an article from TruthOut.org
> covering money-laundering "charities" in which wealthy people get tax
> deduction for having given to charities they didn't actually give money
> to.
> How does this work?
>
>
> https://truthout.org/articles/how-the-rich-exploit-charitable-giving-rules-to-hoard-their-fortunes/
> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXRKFTbvVpM tells the tale.
>
> > The wealthier a donor is, the more likely they are to claim a tax
> > deduction for their giving. When they do, the public has a legitimate
> > interest in where their gifts are going.
> >
> > DAFs [donor-advised funds] are financial intermediaries that take in
> > charitable gifts from donors and then grant the money to active
> > charities designated by the donor. Donors claim their tax deduction up
> > front when they donate to the DAF before deciding which public
> > charities the money should go to.
> >
> > Originally a creation of community foundations, DAFs have been adopted
> > with a vengeance by for-profit Wall Street firms like Fidelity
> > Investments, Charles Schwab and Vanguard. And the lax rules around
> > these giving vehicles are leaving DAFs ripe for abuse in this aggressive
> > new market.
> >
> > For every dollar a millionaire or billionaire gives to a donor-advised
> > fund, the US taxpayer provides between 37 and 57 cents of the gift in
> > the form of lost tax revenue, according to Boston College law professor
> > and charitable-giving expert Ray Madoff.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > The folks giving to DAFs aren’t middle-income families. The average
> > donor to a DAF makes more than $2 million annually, according to James
> > Andreoni, a professor of economics at the University of California at
> > San Diego. That puts them in the top one-tenth of 1 percent of
> > households.
> >
> > Unlike private foundations, which must distribute 5 percent of their
> > principal assets annually, DAFs can continue to re-invest their funds
> > indefinitely, without ever distributing them to charity. So, by
> > creating their own DAFs, Wall Street investment firms like Fidelity and
> > Charles Schwab are enabling ultra-wealthy clients to collect a
> > charitable tax break without necessarily supporting a charity.
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> Thomas Piketty's "Capital in the Twenty-first Century"
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> Book:
> https://dowbor.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/14Thomas-Piketty.pdf
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> Trump calls CNN’s Jim Acosta a "rude, terrible person"
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> https://on.rt.com/9i3z
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> Paul Jay with Daniel Ellsberg
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> Links to part in the series of 8 interviews:
> https://therealnews.com/series/reality-asserts-itself-daniel-ellsberg
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> You will need to reload that URL to get the links to the newest parts as
> they are released.
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>
> Thomas Pynchon's Proverbs for Paranoids
>
>  From
>
> https://gravitys-rainbow.pynchonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Proverbs_for_Paranoids
>
> 1. You may never get to touch the Master, but you can tickle his creatures.
>
> 2. The innocence of the creature is in inverse proportion to the
> immorality
> of the Master.
>
> 3. If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to
> worry
> about answers.
>
> 4.You hide, They seek.
>
> 5. Paranoids are not paranoids because they're paranoid, but because they
> keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately into paranoid
> situations.
>
> -J
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 01:57:49 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:57:49 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] NfN links
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Damn that Apple Mail, even though I have no idea what that is.

On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 7:33 PM J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> David Green via Peace-discuss wrote:
> > Sorry, the links I sent don't work either.
>
> I suspect Apple Mail is to blame here -- it appears to be turning URLs
> into
> shorter URLs by adding ellipses and there's no valid way to do that
> without
> wrecking the URL.
>
> I've posted the links to a new thread on peace-discuss and hopefully that
> will work.
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From ewj at pigs.ag  Sun Nov 11 16:21:24 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 00:21:24 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] remembering American vets
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it's veterinarian`s day. 

...a time at which america can reflect upon those who are kicked, scratched, bit, mashed, flogged, and defecated upon in their pursuit of improving the health and lives of animals.

indeed sometimes vets are attacked by the animals as well.

Thank you for thinking about vets on this special day.
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 18:00:43 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 12:00:43 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Reponse to Proyect Counterpunch article on Marxmail
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   Re: [Marxism] [pen-l] Why are Democrats okay with losing? | Louis
   Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
   ------------------------------
   ------------------------------
   Mark Lause (historian) replies to Michael Meeropol (son of Julius and
   Ethel Rosenberg)

   In the end, Mike, I don't think it's a matter of the dangers of Trump and
   "Trumpism," but the effectiveness and seriousness of the Democratic Party
   in opposing it.

   I'm sure we're all agreed that the Democrats coauthored what we all agree
   to be the curse of neo-liberalism and of plaguing the planet with more
   and
   more intense wars. I think we are also agree that neither earned any
   praise for directly addressing the persistence of systemic racism and
   sexism. They never do without a massive and insistent pressure from the
   people.

   The key question is what have the Democrats done over the last half
   century
   to justify our seeing them as a viable vehicle for opposing Trump.

   The record certainly indicates that they were utterly incapable of
   thwarting the Trump ascendancy, a task rather easier than unseating an
   established wrong. Indeed, they boasted that they would not hold Bush to
   account for his WMD lies, something that the most minimal requirement of
   their oaths of office required. But, then again, they didn't even
   investigate Reagan's criminal activities with any seriousness and they
   dropped their investigation of Nixon's activities once he decided to
   leave
   office.

   Can you provide a single case of the Democratic party nationally
   accomplishing something for the laboring people of this country? (The
   nationalization of Romneycare--the implementation of Nixon's old proposal
   doesn't count.)

   And, if you can't do that, give me one real reason to justify any faith
   in
   a party that has embraces and celebrates the same ideology and practice
   of
   the Republicans--from trickle down economics to war drones--and hasn't
   really even felt much of an impulse to do anything substantive for us
   since
   the civil rights legislation of the middle 1960s . . . half century ago.

   Comradely,
   Mark L.


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[image: Rosa Luxemburg championed internationalism against the SPD
chauvinists and was murdered by them]
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Rosa Luxemburg championed internationalism against the SPD chauvinists and
was murdered by them

*This is part of a series in which we review books which are important for
revolutionary activists; they include, but are certainly not limited to,
Marxist classics. We start off with a key text on social-democratic
reformism. The appreciation was written in 1981.*

by *Sabena Norten*

The collapse of the Second International at the outbreak of war in 1914
showed how the social democratic parties had identified with the interests
of the imperialist nation states. It was a result, as Lenin put it, of “the
victory of opportunism and of the national liberal-labour policy in the
majority of European parties” (*Socialism and War*, 1915). But how and why
had the political movement of the European working class taken the side of
imperialism?

Lenin’s writings of this period prepared the ground for a scientific
understanding of this phenomenon. But his critique of social-chauvinism was
limited because it referred almost exclusively to the evolution of the
British labour aristocracy. Zinoviev’s study, written between 1914 and
1916, fills the gap. By examining the most prominent social democratic
party, the German SPD, it shows how the consolidation of reformism was
intricately related to the growth of the trade union bureaucracy and
bourgeois parliamentary politics. Zinoviev’s work demonstrates how the
labour bureaucracy developed a distinct social and political standpoint and
became a pillar of bourgeois society.

This book is the most penetrating analysis ever written of pre-First World
War social democracy. Although the German Social Democratic Party possessed
a strong and articulate left wing, it took Zinoviev, a member of the
Bolshevik Party, to expose its inherently reactionary character. This fact
itself is significant: today as in Zinoviev’s time there is no lack of
‘criticism’ of official labour politics. But such criticisms are
ineffectual because they too rest on reformist premises, are influenced by
opportunism and reflect an unhealthy attachment to the existing
institutions of the working class which time and again have proved
inadequate. What justifies a review of a book written so many decades ago
is that this conservatism still prevents a realistic appraisal of the
character of social democracy and modern bourgeois labour politics.

*Parliamentary socialism*

The most important theoretical chapter analyses “the social roots of
opportunism”. It is a study of the social forces which pushed working class
politics in a bourgeois direction. Zinoviev identifies two influences on
the SPD which led to its disintegration into the state: the trade union
bureaucracy and electoral opportunism.

The point he makes about the trade union bureaucracy is that its distinct
outlook and interests derive not from its position in the labour market (as
was the case for the classical British labour aristocracy) but from the
power it gains from its position at the head of the working class
organisations. The cultivation and preservation of trade unions – within
the confines of the capitalist labour market – is the union bureaucrat’s
narrow objective which subordinates the wider political interests of the
working class. Zinoviev further shows how, once the conservative influence
of the trade union leadership had pushed the party into the framework of
parliamentary reformism, electoral pressure drove it to adapt to the
outlook and interests of broad petit-bourgeois layers and become a people’s
party. Other more recent historical studies of the SPD confirm the
correctness of this analysis.

*Bourgeois at birth*

>From the outset the SPD was only in a very limited sense an independent
party of the working class. Like most continental socialist parties it was
in origin a creation of the petit-bourgeoisie. In the early 1860s, the
middle classes in the anti-Prussian states of southern Germany sought to
win working class support in their fight against Bismarck’s drive to unite
the country under Prussian domination. Workers Associations were formed on
the initiative of Liberal politicians. In Prussia itself, Ferdinand
Lassalle’s General German Workers Association (ADAV), founded in 1863,
attempted to persuade the Bismarck regime to concede an extension of
suffrage and freedom of association by supporting its expansionist aims.

The nascent German working class movement was divided along lines which
reflected the belated and unresolved conflict between feudalism and
bourgeois liberalism: on one side, Lasalle’s ADAV and, on the other, the
Socialist Workers Party of Germany (SAPD), formed by August Bebel and
Johann Baptist von Schweitzer in 1869 after it became evident that the
bourgeoisie had no interest in a consistent fight against Prussian
absolutism. Both wings were dependent on rival factions of the bourgeoisie.

In 1875 the split in the German labour movement was healed. At Gotha the
SAPD and the Lassalleans united. With the unification of Germany under
Prussia, the cause of national and liberal opposition to Prussian hegemony
which previously shaped the young labour movement had vanished. The Gotha
Programme adopted as the platform of the united SAPD, however, reflected
the continued hold of petit-bourgeois politics among its leaders.

Marx and Engels were extremely critical of this programme. They pointed out
that it contained not an ounce of working class politics, but a mixture of
faint-hearted liberalism and the turgid state socialist theories of
Lassalle. Marx’s polemic against the Gotha Programme drew particular
attention to the fact that it had a narrow, national standpoint and that
this would prevent a systematic struggle against the bourgeoisie. The Gotha
Programme didn’t represent a break with bourgeois tradition. Rather, the
new SAPD stepped into the vacuum created by the desertion of the middle
class to Bismarck to advance the cause of social and political reform
within the Prussian state.

The SAPD therefore had no more roots in Marxism than the British Labour
Party. It was by birth a bourgeois labour party. Although Marxist
literature formed a significant part of its theoretical and ideological
heritage, and had close personal ties with its leaders, its politics
remained opportunist. The conservatism of the party leadership was
consolidated by the growth of the new social forces Zinoviev investigated
in his study.

*Party of the bureaucrats*

Outside events, not the party leadership, were responsible for the adoption
of more radical policies by the end of the 1870s. Anti-working class
repression reached a peak with the adoption of the Anti-Socialist Law by
the Reichstag in 1878, and the SAPD was forced to organise and conduct
propaganda in conditions of illegality. This repression intensified
workers’ hatred of the state and their identification as a class. Marxist
ideas became a force among the advanced sections of the German proletariat,
a development that was reflected in the emergence of a radical left-wing in
the party.

The conservative leadership, however, managed to retain control. During the
period of the Anti-Socialist Law from 1878 to 1890 trade union membership
grew from 50,000 to 300,000. This strengthened working class organisation
ut it also strengthened the bureaucracy which soon became the principal
conservative force in the SPD and the working class. In 1891, Carl Legien,
the first modern German trade union bureaucrat, reorganised the movement
into one centralised federation under the control of his general commission
which thenceforth pursued a systematic policy of partnership with the
Prussian state.

The party was transformed into the political servant of the trade union
leadership. Legien’s aim was to increase his role as mediator between
capital and labour. To this end the state had to be persuaded to lift
restrictions on trade union activity, to introduce social policies and to
formalise the participation of labour representatives in administering
them. The parliamentary party, as the representative of labour within the
political sphere, became the agency through which the bureaucracy put
pressure on for these changes.

This transformation of the party found its reflection in the party’s name.
At its 1891 Erfurt Congress, the SAPD became the Social Democratic Party of
Germany (SPD), dropping the tag ‘workers’ which had expressed its formal
allegiance to the working class. With the change of name the party
leadership indicated that it aspired to be a non-class party of reform.

The change of name indicated the changing social roots of the party. Modern
bourgeois society provided social democracy with a base of support which
permitted it to develop a degree of independence from the working class,
despite the fact that the proletariat formed the bulk of its membership and
electorate.

*Bourgeois reformism*

The corollary of this development was that the party itself became
increasingly dependent on the state, which saw it as the agency for reform.
A mutual interest emerged which speeded up the process. The bourgeoisie
recognised the need to integrate the working class politically and to
institutionalise its domination over the working class. Bismarck, the
founder of modern social policy, recognised at a very early stage that the
working class was a social force he could not ignore. During the 1860s he
attempted – with a fair degree of success – to use the working class
against his middle class opponents. Then in the 1880s the fierce repression
directed against the political emancipation of the working class was
accompanied by certain reforms designed to neutralise opposition. Given
that social reform was also the main objective of the SPD, the channels
through which the leadership was drawn into co-operation opened up quite
naturally.

Throughout the period of the Anti-Socialist Law the party led a virtually
schizophrenic existence. Its members and press suffered fierce persecution
while its representatives in parliament negotiated social reform and
economic policy. The issue most hotly championed by SPD delegates was
opposition to the proposed tariffs on food imports – a measure which
aroused resentment from broad layers of German society.

Whilst its rank-and-file organisation was in chaos, parliamentarism
provided a means through which the SPD could gain influence. Illegality
reinforced this trend. It increased the independence of the SPD’s
parliamentary wing because this was for the time being the only legally
functioning section of the party.

The reward was overwhelming. The party enlarged its electoral base
significantly. In the Reichstag elections of 1878 it gained eight percent
of the vote; in 1887 10 percent; in 1890 20 percent; and in 1893, the first
election after the end of the Anti-Socialist Law, 23 percent. The party
changed its attitude to parliament too. Up to the early 1890s official
party policy, reflecting resolutions of the First International, was to use
parliament as a rostrum for propaganda and to oppose all bourgeois bills.
But electoral success led the SPD to discard these principles. By the end
of the decade, the SPD even joined regional state governments and formed
coalitions with other bourgeois parties.

Electoral opportunism provided the SPD with another prop of support: the
petit-bourgeoisie. This social stratum was a significant force in backward
German society, and the flabbiness of German Liberalism after 1871 made the
SPD into a natural focus for the expression of urban and rural
petit-bourgeois interests against big capitalists and feudal landlords. As
Zinoviev explained:

“This was the strength as well as the weakness of German social democracy.
The strong point was that the SPD became the only people’s party, that all
dissatisfied people sought its aid, that almost the entire democratic
section of society flocked to its banners. The weakness was the
petit-bourgeois fellow travellers introduced political corruption,
irresolution and bourgeois mentality and all the other features
characteristic of the layers between the two big classes into the party.
Socialism was infected by opportunism” (p485).

Zinoviev provided detailed statistics to illustrate the increasing sway of
the SPD’s petit-bourgeois ‘fellow travellers’. They show that by 1903 up to
50 percent of SPD voters in major towns were non-working class and that 30
percent (one million) of its total electorate were petit-bourgeois. Party
officialdom, as he shows, also began to be permeated by this layer.

As long as the preservation of the immediate interests of both workers and
petit-bourgeois appeared to coincide there was little tension within the
SPD. The Reichstag elections of 1903 were the climax of the SPD’s early
career as a people’s party. With three million votes it became the
strongest party in parliament, a success which reflected it support among
middle strata. But this support depended upon the projection of the party
as a national force, one that could be relied upon to serve the interest of
the German nation.

*Social-chauvinism*

The ephemeral character of the SPD’s fellow traveellers was exposed in the
subsequent elections of 1907 when the bourgeoisie set out to win back the
middle layers by depicting the SPD as traitors to German imperialism. The
demagogic tactic was very successful – the SPD suffered a humiliating
defeat. In the aftermath the real character of the party was revealed.
Party leaders decided that the lesson of defeat was to regain the middle
layers by projecting a more strident patriotic image and curbing the
anti-militarist activities of revolutionaries like Karl Liebknecht and the
youth wing of the party. The accusation that it lacked patriotism was
rejected as slander by party orators and writers up and down the country.

By 1912, the bourgeoisie was dismayed to find that the middle strata had
returned en masse to the social democratic fold. Some perceptive
commentators, however, noticed that the election result was a small loss
compared to an infinitely more significant achievement – the SPD had
committed itself to the cause of imperialism. Ruedorffer, an ultra
right-wing diplomat and politician, commented:

“If international socialism succeeds in separating the worker from the
nation and making him a mere member of his class, then it will be
victorious. The means of pure coercion which the state in that case would
be forced to apply to control him would in the long term be untenable.
However, if socialism fails to achieve this the ties which link the worker
to the organism we call nation will survive, even if only unconsciously.
The victory of socialism is impossible as long as these ties remain – and
it will face certain defeat if they are flound to prevail over those of
class” (Ruedorffer, *Grundzeuge der Weltpolitik*, 1914, cited in Zinoviev,
p503).

Ruedorffer was proved correct in 1914 and many times since. Unfortunately
this grasp of the significance of internationalism for class politics has
rarely been equalled in the labour movement.

*Building a revolutionary party*

The scientific merit of Zinoviev’s study is that it clearly analyses the
twin forces which lie at the root of social-chauvinism – the trade union
bureaucracy and the petit bourgeoisie. The first drove the SPD in the
direction of pragmatic adaptation to bourgeois society; the second
completed the degradation of the party into a vehicle for chauvinism and
other forms of bourgeois ideology.

His analysis shows that by allowing these influences to grow and prevail
the party bred a working class leadership whose interests began to coincide
with the interests of the ruling class. He demonstrates that this process
is not the result of evil subjective intention or simple material
self-interest, but that it originates in the narrow pragmatic outlook of
reformist labour politics. Its source is in essence political.

There is a conclusion which Zinoviev did not spell out, although his
analysis clearly points to it. The way to overcome the destructive
influence of opportunism is to construct a party which is committed to
fight for the independent interests of the working class. This means taking
on the labour bureaucracy. Only then can a real struggle for power be waged.

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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Wed Nov 14 19:26:05 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:26:05 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] War is not ending on its own
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From: "Greta, World BEYOND War" <greta at worldbeyondwar.org<mailto:greta at worldbeyondwar.org>>
Subject: War is not ending on its own
Date: November 14, 2018
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Hi Ron,

War is not ending on its own. That's why we founded World BEYOND War as a global, grassroots people-powered movement for peace. We provide the platform, tools, and resources for education, advocacy, and movement-building to advance strategies to demilitarize, manage conflict nonviolently, and cultivate a culture of peace. Now I'm reaching out to invite you to be a volunteer chapter coordinator in your community! Email me to get started.<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/5AA/ni0YAA/t.2mk/eDv5NfN_QVq6Ex2uN6T7zQ/h1/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjElUGVvpUSh6CaOtCLcrJiHywsL4-2B-2FpTg-2Fgb8fFkjKtBAB-2F-2FDCND4CFfNUGJdwUBn-2FqCKIDDcLi5Fr-2FlFiyTMpdrtPvc3dwBTRrHWb0sL7ktOAFMfhE4aA3D25ltQLPt-2F7-2F-2BDNsT9S-2Fi1HpDFMii9hGJeK96vAc-2BmdPrMYfDxQaDjuoh8NqNZ-2BXt2QfRRfvwKk3ze6a7OJpSMq1ImliBf9ocmYaB6l-2BIeoqcnNcqsT8tTG-2B4Hc1aNiupZbNwOoIOiw-3D-3D>

[https://can2-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/data/000/234/781/original/43025676_1123717911129085_25393508806295552_o.jpg]What's involved with starting a chapter?

  *   Be familiar with World BEYOND War's mission to abolish the institution of war and replace it with an alternative global security system.<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/5AA/ni0YAA/t.2mk/eDv5NfN_QVq6Ex2uN6T7zQ/h2/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjBFfsoOWYshJ-2FzcqoU0I-2B3fhUN-2BEyIWQdN5KOBhhD2XfDo6UMecBO6WpqrP9oCVTIuqUAeP1a5Goruc8aotRzvGM3ZbdDD50Jx47DEHGuJyyIeNqwCxH2BOvJaclofCwDwQA2i4TxwJIDWpJ6Nm7hxA6MvQPCZ5GO8BGDmr-2FNmL3n-2FyvQeXXih-2BVG4O1qaY1pesA9-2FVLAIFuXyGZmOJRREJbWW8sKryYKR3OH9uhe1LYKFvKaSLEOp35R43UkUntBw-3D-3D> (Get discounts on our book and courses!)
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  *   Communicate with individuals and organizations in your region, and serve as a liaison to World BEYOND War.
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  *   Help fundraise for World BEYOND War. (We never take money from corporations or governments, so we rely on small-dollar donations from individuals around the world.)
  *   Assist with projects, like researching and writing articles and fact sheets, social media campaigning, media outreach, and art-making![https://can2-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/data/000/234/783/original/36430400_1039650129535864_8261180353301970944_o(1).jpg]

World BEYOND War will:

  *   Provide educational resources<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/5AA/ni0YAA/t.2mk/eDv5NfN_QVq6Ex2uN6T7zQ/h4/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjIkyfZG-2FEur8J0emU32wtsfqKeJuCAPEPbzzdcSgeRTzD9LTECHnScr7Hn8KRqg91un3IjpLWRCFBtFd-2F9w3jlcE7TksX0UJvYuLtMo2SpCd718V-2BWryUrQ-2Fg8ZmxzQggD1wFAQk9oFod4BCSSOVAvaHfH5kO5uhg8-2FM5lDpgAFae78k7T8IKvaWhePx9gNB9osxqpSqB312eTk8BnDf2kR2jFtfviS2wQNMqo2i6lQPvKReljvvAOsHWdV4G89IuQ-3D-3D> and organizing training to develop and implement chapter activities.
  *   Create a webpage and email listserv for your chapter.
  *   Publicize your events and recruit volunteers.
  *   Connect you with individuals and organizations around the world working on similar campaigns to yours, to share expertise and activism.
  *   Share your news with a wider global audience through our email list, website, and social media.

Ready to start mobilizing locally in your community? Send me an email and we'll discuss the next steps. <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/5AA/ni0YAA/t.2mk/eDv5NfN_QVq6Ex2uN6T7zQ/h5/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjElUGVvpUSh6CaOtCLcrJiEA4vQsPCEGLp3eRif5TqigrK2ithvOhxDqwdGAfo-2B6-2FwudTywjtJJeq2pVl9WF7xEzr-2FXzQiFYE864exSjeEo37Og4XDmeLvO-2F1shSyEVpzuXNnIDRCDUclvTuQDnuIb5cWcSfp-2BI0jVyMeW4A0uLv70CQQEjYG5q7FVaWZQDawcKant2anvb192blgDmUzWYjb-2Bm2g0yHvh4E1yyJyoacD-2Ba-2BvSCsQ2aSSkXdE4kJoA-3D-3D>

Building a diverse, global movement for war abolition involves organizing locally, community by community, to dispel the myths of war and educate about its alternatives. Join me.<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/5AA/ni0YAA/t.2mk/eDv5NfN_QVq6Ex2uN6T7zQ/h6/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjElUGVvpUSh6CaOtCLcrJiFvklD5yGxfCT0AhvQiiZC5TgX1nv1t3I0VCiySxV7-2B9RUPOWpJ7qefz-2BHdOxm-2F7PpXXlFZ8vs4pHi0Rsfw9d4QiQp76dlGZqWn8h1sWQHztt5eMWO7nn5WOcOyaxOjbldqsvvmz3QqmEX9zv45rokLzkmQLtFr-2BPA4J2j2akaO9MrWLu97UcGx4FQOd08Cqc3yPzqGzl24qO5gmbKMkouIR6cYqU3Fuv-2FDN3OUzMkrkg-3D-3D>

Greta Zarro
Organizing Director
World BEYOND War
greta at worldbeyondwar.org<mailto:greta at worldbeyondwar.org>

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World BEYOND War is a global network of volunteers, activists, and allied organizations advocating for the abolition of the very institution of war. Our success is driven by a people-powered movement –
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Wed Nov 14 19:47:04 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:47:04 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Another fake "quotation"
Message-ID: <DC00954B-DB13-4A54-9B4F-E3573358CADC@illinois.edu>


Fact Check: Another Fake Maxine Waters Quote

  *   HOLMES LYBRAND <https://www.weeklystandard.com/author/holmes-lybrand>
  *   1 MIN READ

Weekly Standard online
November 13, 2018 at 2:52 PM

You've been bamboozled.
“What a peach” is how Bamboo Bob<https://www.facebook.com/BAMBOOBOBSPANKSALIB>—not to be confused with the New Jersey bamboo-focused landscape service of the same name<https://www.yelp.com/biz/bamboo-bob-whippany-23>—a self-described “conservative character that pushes the envelope...w/heavy sarcasm, satire & FREE SPEECH!” captioned a picture<https://www.facebook.com/BAMBOOBOBSPANKSALIB/photos/a.10150345576685288/10157030373615288/?type=3&theater> of a tweet supposedly from California Rep. Maxine Waters on Facebook. (The layers are exhausting.)
“That son of a bitch Trump just called me ‘Low IQ Maxine’?? Wants me to take an IQ test?? What kind of man tells an elderly woman of color she needs to pee in a cup to prove how smart she is? #INPEACH” the now-suspended account @MaxinePWaters tweeted.
Bamboo Bob
about a week ago<https://www.facebook.com/BAMBOOBOBSPANKSALIB/photos/a.10150345576685288/10157030373615288/?type=3>
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What a peach....
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Obviously, dear reader, this is not a tweet from Waters, whose Twitter handle is @RepMaxineWaters<https://twitter.com/RepMaxineWaters>, not @MaxinePWaters. Additionally, for those paying attention, Waters’ middle initial is “M,” not “P.”


It’s unclear whether Mr. Bamboo Bob–again, not the bamboo installation and removal service<https://www.yelp.com/biz/bamboo-bob-whippany-23> with four stars and three reviews on Yelp—knew the tweet was from a fake account. His followers clearly did not.
“Wow shes an idiot!” one apostrophe-anarchist commented. “I can tell by the way she acts and by what she says that her elevator doesn't go all the way to the top! LOL,” another posited. Others were more acerbic in asserting their stupidity. “Retarded,” wrote one. “Idiot,” another contributed. “DUMB. AS. A. STUMP. The perfect democrat.”
Bamboo Bob’s Facebook account is filled with a good deal of MAGA-Boomer memes alongside images of women in bathing suits with captions unironically channeling the inner thoughts of the creepiest of uncles, if that’s your sort of thing.

If you have questions about this fact check, or would like to submit a request for another fact check, email Holmes Lybrand at hlybrand at weeklystandard.com<mailto:hlybrand at weeklystandard.com> or the Weekly Standard at factcheck at weeklystandard.com<mailto:factcheck at weeklystandard.com>. For details on TWS Fact Check, see our explainer here<https://www.weeklystandard.com/fact-check/>.

>  Personal note:  I once received a supposed “quotation” endorsing socialism, purportedly by Nancy Pelosi.  It smelled so fishy I immediately posted an offer to send my personal check for $100 to the first person who could prove to me that Pelosi ever said such a thing — with appropriate documentation, of course, including where & when she supposedly said it, to what audience, etc.  There were no takers in response, only one grudging note saying she was terrible anyway. ~~ RSz.

For other specimens, see Paul F. Boller, Jr. & John George, They Never Said It : A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, and Misleading Attributions  (Oxford U.P., 1989, 159 pp.)

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 02:01:13 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:01:13 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Gideon Levy: Netanyahu Blocked Another War
Message-ID: <AD03B40F-E7F2-4D47-8085-1C5432A3E8EF@gmail.com>

Haaretz - Israel NewsThursday, November 15, 2018. 
Kislev 7, 5779 Time in Israel: 3:39 AM

Opinion We Must Give Credit to Netanyahu: He Blocked Another War With His Body

In Israel, avoiding war is perceived as defeatism. But that’s what Netanyahu does, while Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid talks about employing force like the other demagogues on the left and right

Gideon Levy  

Imagine Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid as prime minister. The army would already be at the outskirts of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip. The pilots would be bombing and the artillery would be shelling. Gaza would lie in ruins. On the Palestinian side, hundreds would be dead after the first strike, some of them traffic-police cadets just like in that other wonderful war, Operation Cast Lead of 2008-09.

In his black jacket, Marshall Lapid would brief his forces: kill, destroy, obliterate, demolish. The nation would cheer and the “leftist” media would be ecstatic – the united chorus of war. Fifty days of elation, of horrific killing in Gaza and anxiety and rockets in Israel, leading nowhere. This is what Lapid meant this week when he said that “this is the right time to employ force.”

Imagine Zionist Union leader Avi Gabbay as prime minister. “Quiet is bought by deterrence, not with money,” he wrote this week, as any run-of-the-mill right-winger could have written. Imagine opposition leader Tzipi Livni, who lashed out in a similar way: “Deterrence is created through military strikes,” and “exchange the Hamas leadership for people who cooperate with us.” Imagine Ehud Barak, who quipped that Hamas’ leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, was “humiliating Netanyahu.”

Imagine the former military chief of staff, Benny Gantz, who held his silence; imagine Avigdor Lieberman, who resigned, or Naftali Bennett, who made threats. Imagine a nightmare. Not one of the demagogues on the left or right (as if there were a difference) offered anything but death and destruction. They simply wanted to placate the media, which has become more bloodthirsty and bellicose than ever, and the public, which only wanted to see dead Gazans, the more the better, with their houses destroyed as much as possible.

Only one person stood up to this surging dark wave without faltering; we must honestly say so and praise him – the prime minister blocked another war with his body. It has been proved yet again that Benjamin Netanyahu is the most resolute war-hater among the country’s leaders. We should reiterate that, whatever his motives, the result suffices to command respect. Due to him no blood was shed. We can’t make light of this, we can’t help but give him credit.

This time he even explained his policy – in Paris on Sunday and next to David Ben-Gurion’s grave on Wednesday. He spoke about the futility of war and the unpopularity of avoiding that path – the epitome of a leader’s statement. If a politician not named Netanyahu talked like that, we’d melt with pleasure. He spoke and he acted. No one praised him, and he’ll pay for it.
In Israel, avoiding war is perceived as defeatism. Giving him a compliment, even when he deserves one, is perceived as betrayal. You can’t say a good word about the devil, you have to treat a preventer of war the way you treat someone suspected of a crime. This week we had further proof that he has no substitute. The opposition has nothing original to offer.

There’s a direct line linking Lapid and Lieberman, one of bellicose populism. The cowards of the Zionist left didn’t dare say what they had an obligation to say long ago: Only a complete lifting of the Gaza blockade will solve Gaza’s problem, which is also Israel’s problem, and only a direct dialogue with Hamas can bring this about.

Netanyahu didn’t say this, he doesn’t think this. He’s also responsible for the daring and unnecessary undercover adventure whose failure led to the latest round of violence.
>> Read more: Populism and empty threats: Lieberman deserves the public scorn | Analysis
Thus Netanyahu is a poor man’s consolation, but a consolation nonetheless. A prime minister who again prevented a war, who understood that other than placating an incited public, the move would have been futile. A prime minister who lets fuel and money into Gaza so it can breath, even if just for a moment, is preferable to any of the warmongers in the governing coalition or in the opposition. Pictures of Gaza enjoying a little more electricity should warm everyone’s heart. But not in Israel.

On Wednesday, the bonus arrived: Lieberman’s resignation, especially if it ends the career of one of the most cynical and repulsive politicians we’ve ever had. For this too Netanyahu deserves a good word.

Now imagine Lapid. Imagine a war.

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From ewj at pigs.ag  Thu Nov 15 02:45:16 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:45:16 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] War is not ending on its own
In-Reply-To: <CD37253A-2174-4CE4-A89F-52A58EF2556B@illinois.edu>
References: <5bec38b32c8ed_5f663f959ebd4ebc115973d0@ip-10-0-0-119.mail>
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Message-ID: <a8c39b1e-d099-43eb-3c1b-e1bec3a4a9d7@pigs.ag>

This sounds good.

But how do we know that we are not being bambousled by a bunch
of Cerreto wannabees who are on the surface promoting peace as a 
obfuscated scam.

Are they through their sophistry and obscurantism actually promoting
a rehash of old tired power theme of identity politics,
victimism,  the promotion of the creeping encroachment of ridiculous 
regulation and
loss of personal purpose, the Democrat party, homosexuality, gender 
confusion,
abortion, and stifiling of dissent, or is this real deal?

 From whence does the money behind "world beyond war" proceed?



Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote:
> *From: *"Greta, World BEYOND War" <greta at worldbeyondwar.org 
> <mailto:greta at worldbeyondwar.org>>
> *Subject: **War is not ending on its own*
> *Date: *November 14, 2018
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From ewj at pigs.ag  Thu Nov 15 07:28:31 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:28:31 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] War is not ending on its own
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References: <5bec38b32c8ed_5f663f959ebd4ebc115973d0@ip-10-0-0-119.mail>
 <CD37253A-2174-4CE4-A89F-52A58EF2556B@illinois.edu>
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While was waiting for a response to the exercise of this week's 
vocabulary words
I took it upon mice elf to check out this organization.

I would say that they check out as legit.

I am actually not so familiar with David Swanson but
I do know Emanuel Y. Pastreich and would vouch for
his sincerity.

E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote:
> This sounds good.
>
> But how do we know that we are not being bambousled by a bunch
> of Cerreto wannabees who are on the surface promoting peace as a 
> obfuscated scam.
>
> Are they through their sophistry and obscurantism actually promoting
> a rehash of old tired power theme of identity politics,
> victimism,  the promotion of the creeping encroachment of ridiculous 
> regulation and
> loss of personal purpose, the Democrat party, homosexuality, gender 
> confusion,
> abortion, and stifiling of dissent, or is this real deal?
>
> From whence does the money behind "world beyond war" proceed?
>
>
>
> Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote:
>> *From: *"Greta, World BEYOND War" <greta at worldbeyondwar.org 
>> <mailto:greta at worldbeyondwar.org>>
>> *Subject: **War is not ending on its own*
>> *Date: *November 14, 2018
>> <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/5AA/ni0YAA/t.2mk/eDv5NfN_QVq6Ex2uN6T7zQ/h0/Jb9ZUZ-2BHBLFAkQw-2FQ1kTOl3geL9PmLlAz6s04TuLxeBdaWLFHk5o0EOim-2FKeX35Ho6MbtIDyugVn19tBS6yur31Fpx8-2BptSDnDFrI5ny5uCwA1YkrlDGIL4tJdkZk7mj-2BF6CHBuT-2FgdeMSK8bP2qlXSM0b0cQKgBcXSzz-2FGn-2FQvg7W6wJfwhKhNp2zGdfH7XX0pVgc1XRedfWHsnPzhbQJgGYuTBE68GS6lObVIpWnO31Q9-2FGbONvqai77B1R-2FXT>
>>
>> **Hi Ron,
>>
>> War is not ending on its own. That's why we founded World BEYOND War 
>> as a global, grassroots people-powered movement for peace. We provide 
>> the platform, tools, and resources for education, advocacy, and 
>> movement-building to advance strategies to demilitarize, manage 
>> conflict nonviolently, and cultivate a culture of peace.*Now I'm 
>> reaching out to invite you to be a volunteer chapter coordinator in 
>> your community!Email me to get started. 
>> <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/5AA/ni0YAA/t.2mk/eDv5NfN_QVq6Ex2uN6T7zQ/h1/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjElUGVvpUSh6CaOtCLcrJiHywsL4-2B-2FpTg-2Fgb8fFkjKtBAB-2F-2FDCND4CFfNUGJdwUBn-2FqCKIDDcLi5Fr-2FlFiyTMpdrtPvc3dwBTRrHWb0sL7ktOAFMfhE4aA3D25ltQLPt-2F7-2F-2BDNsT9S-2Fi1HpDFMii9hGJeK96vAc-2BmdPrMYfDxQaDjuoh8NqNZ-2BXt2QfRRfvwKk3ze6a7OJpSMq1ImliBf9ocmYaB6l-2BIeoqcnNcqsT8tTG-2B4Hc1aNiupZbNwOoIOiw-3D-3D>
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>> /What's involved with starting a chapter?/
>> *
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>>   * **Be familiar with World BEYOND War's mission to abolish the
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>>     <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/5AA/ni0YAA/t.2mk/eDv5NfN_QVq6Ex2uN6T7zQ/h2/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjBFfsoOWYshJ-2FzcqoU0I-2B3fhUN-2BEyIWQdN5KOBhhD2XfDo6UMecBO6WpqrP9oCVTIuqUAeP1a5Goruc8aotRzvGM3ZbdDD50Jx47DEHGuJyyIeNqwCxH2BOvJaclofCwDwQA2i4TxwJIDWpJ6Nm7hxA6MvQPCZ5GO8BGDmr-2FNmL3n-2FyvQeXXih-2BVG4O1qaY1pesA9-2FVLAIFuXyGZmOJRREJbWW8sKryYKR3OH9uhe1LYKFvKaSLEOp35R43UkUntBw-3D-3D>(Get
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>> Ready to start mobilizing locally in your community?*Send me an email 
>> and we'll discuss the next steps.* 
>> <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/5AA/ni0YAA/t.2mk/eDv5NfN_QVq6Ex2uN6T7zQ/h5/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjElUGVvpUSh6CaOtCLcrJiEA4vQsPCEGLp3eRif5TqigrK2ithvOhxDqwdGAfo-2B6-2FwudTywjtJJeq2pVl9WF7xEzr-2FXzQiFYE864exSjeEo37Og4XDmeLvO-2F1shSyEVpzuXNnIDRCDUclvTuQDnuIb5cWcSfp-2BI0jVyMeW4A0uLv70CQQEjYG5q7FVaWZQDawcKant2anvb192blgDmUzWYjb-2Bm2g0yHvh4E1yyJyoacD-2Ba-2BvSCsQ2aSSkXdE4kJoA-3D-3D>
>>
>> Building a diverse, global movement for war abolition involves 
>> organizing locally, community by community, to dispel the myths of 
>> war and educate about its alternatives.*Join me. 
>> <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/5AA/ni0YAA/t.2mk/eDv5NfN_QVq6Ex2uN6T7zQ/h6/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjElUGVvpUSh6CaOtCLcrJiFvklD5yGxfCT0AhvQiiZC5TgX1nv1t3I0VCiySxV7-2B9RUPOWpJ7qefz-2BHdOxm-2F7PpXXlFZ8vs4pHi0Rsfw9d4QiQp76dlGZqWn8h1sWQHztt5eMWO7nn5WOcOyaxOjbldqsvvmz3QqmEX9zv45rokLzkmQLtFr-2BPA4J2j2akaO9MrWLu97UcGx4FQOd08Cqc3yPzqGzl24qO5gmbKMkouIR6cYqU3Fuv-2FDN3OUzMkrkg-3D-3D>*
>>
>> Greta Zarro
>> Organizing Director
>> World BEYOND War
>> greta at worldbeyondwar.org <mailto:greta at worldbeyondwar.org>
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From moboct1 at aim.com  Thu Nov 15 13:55:15 2018
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 13:55:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Gideon Levy: Netanyahu Blocked Another War
References: <508363113.1108882.1542290115491.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <508363113.1108882.1542290115491@mail.yahoo.com>

But Bibi's body isn't as big as Ariel Sharon's was (before his "heart attack"--he paid for it for by withdrawing the Israeli Gaza settlements--and destroying them after removal) built by U.S. taxpayers, leaving nothing but rubble for Gaza Palestinians for reconstruction.  Then Bibi makes Gazans pay for losing the Gaza Israeli settlements every time they try to rebuild.  Until/unless, like liberal Tzipi says, they "exchange Hamas with a leader Israel can live with" or enjoy "deterrence through military strikes." 
Deja vu all over again.  
Midge
P.S.  I think POTUS learned to talk out of 2 sides of his mouth from Bibi--or is it the other way around?    


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Subject: [Peace-discuss] Gideon Levy: Netanyahu Blocked Another War

Haaretz - Israel NewsThursday, November 15, 2018. 
Kislev 7, 5779 Time in Israel: 3:39 AM

Opinion We Must Give Credit to Netanyahu: He Blocked Another War With His Body

In Israel, avoiding war is perceived as defeatism. But that’s what Netanyahu does, while Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid talks about employing force like the other demagogues on the left and right

Gideon Levy  

Imagine Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid as prime minister. The army would already be at the outskirts of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip. The pilots would be bombing and the artillery would be shelling. Gaza would lie in ruins. On the Palestinian side, hundreds would be dead after the first strike, some of them traffic-police cadets just like in that other wonderful war, Operation Cast Lead of 2008-09.

In his black jacket, Marshall Lapid would brief his forces: kill, destroy, obliterate, demolish. The nation would cheer and the “leftist” media would be ecstatic – the united chorus of war. Fifty days of elation, of horrific killing in Gaza and anxiety and rockets in Israel, leading nowhere. This is what Lapid meant this week when he said that “this is the right time to employ force.”

Imagine Zionist Union leader Avi Gabbay as prime minister. “Quiet is bought by deterrence, not with money,” he wrote this week, as any run-of-the-mill right-winger could have written. Imagine opposition leader Tzipi Livni, who lashed out in a similar way: “Deterrence is created through military strikes,” and “exchange the Hamas leadership for people who cooperate with us.” Imagine Ehud Barak, who quipped that Hamas’ leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, was “humiliating Netanyahu.”

Imagine the former military chief of staff, Benny Gantz, who held his silence; imagine Avigdor Lieberman, who resigned, or Naftali Bennett, who made threats. Imagine a nightmare. Not one of the demagogues on the left or right (as if there were a difference) offered anything but death and destruction. They simply wanted to placate the media, which has become more bloodthirsty and bellicose than ever, and the public, which only wanted to see dead Gazans, the more the better, with their houses destroyed as much as possible.

Only one person stood up to this surging dark wave without faltering; we must honestly say so and praise him – the prime minister blocked another war with his body. It has been proved yet again that Benjamin Netanyahu is the most resolute war-hater among the country’s leaders. We should reiterate that, whatever his motives, the result suffices to command respect. Due to him no blood was shed. We can’t make light of this, we can’t help but give him credit.

This time he even explained his policy – in Paris on Sunday and next to David Ben-Gurion’s grave on Wednesday. He spoke about the futility of war and the unpopularity of avoiding that path – the epitome of a leader’s statement. If a politician not named Netanyahu talked like that, we’d melt with pleasure. He spoke and he acted. No one praised him, and he’ll pay for it.
In Israel, avoiding war is perceived as defeatism. Giving him a compliment, even when he deserves one, is perceived as betrayal. You can’t say a good word about the devil, you have to treat a preventer of war the way you treat someone suspected of a crime. This week we had further proof that he has no substitute. The opposition has nothing original to offer.

There’s a direct line linking Lapid and Lieberman, one of bellicose populism. The cowards of the Zionist left didn’t dare say what they had an obligation to say long ago: Only a complete lifting of the Gaza blockade will solve Gaza’s problem, which is also Israel’s problem, and only a direct dialogue with Hamas can bring this about.

Netanyahu didn’t say this, he doesn’t think this. He’s also responsible for the daring and unnecessary undercover adventure whose failure led to the latest round of violence.
>> Read more: Populism and empty threats: Lieberman deserves the public scorn | Analysis
Thus Netanyahu is a poor man’s consolation, but a consolation nonetheless. A prime minister who again prevented a war, who understood that other than placating an incited public, the move would have been futile. A prime minister who lets fuel and money into Gaza so it can breath, even if just for a moment, is preferable to any of the warmongers in the governing coalition or in the opposition. Pictures of Gaza enjoying a little more electricity should warm everyone’s heart. But not in Israel.

On Wednesday, the bonus arrived: Lieberman’s resignation, especially if it ends the career of one of the most cynical and repulsive politicians we’ve ever had. For this too Netanyahu deserves a good word.

Now imagine Lapid. Imagine a war.

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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Thu Nov 15 16:42:32 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:42:32 +0000
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From: Granate Kim <info at jewishvoiceforpeace.org<mailto:info at jewishvoiceforpeace.org>>
Subject: they’re going after students
Date: November 15, 2018


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Dear Ron,

For the last 7 days the anonymous slander site “Canary Mission” has run a sophisticated smear campaign casting JVP as an antisemitic terrorist supporting organization.

We can take it. But a 20 year-old student activist can’t.

45 JVP student activists are listed on this modern-day McCarthyite blacklist. Names, photos, social media profiles: everything designed to destroy their reputations and invite cyber-bullies to go after them.

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ENOUGH! Students shouldn’t be slandered and bullied for standing up for what they believe in. Donate now to help us support and protect student activists from this disgusting attack:

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Just a few weeks ago we got a call from a student’s grandmother in a panic because her granddaughter had been profiled on Canary Mission. She was worried about her granddaughter’s safety and her future job prospects, and she needed our help.

This is what it’s come to.

Canary Mission’s goal is to get students fired for their activism, and anti-BDS organizations have gone as far as harassing student’s employers on the phoneafter seeing Canary Mission profiles.

For people of color and Palestinians the consequences are even worse. The Israeli government uses Canary Mission to ban entry to the country – meaning students can be cut off from their families unless they publicly ‘repent’ on their pro-Palestinian views.

It’s anonymous cyber-bullying to scare off the strongest generation of BDS activists yet.

But we can make sure their plan backfires by giving student activists all the support they need to stand up to these attacks and continue organizing for justice and equality in Palestine.

We generally avoid talking about Canary Mission so we don’t give their toxic attacks any more oxygen. But at this point, they’re just creating too many problems. We have to take them on.

So a generous group of donors appalled by this attack will match every donation up to $20,000. Donate now:

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With strength and determination,

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Granate Kim

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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 16:49:45 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:49:45 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Rich Democrats
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyF5_d8UdcZr9rEarv3UjpxZro_cfzGqik6W2pNPdFw-Kg@mail.gmail.com>

   The geographic diversity of these victories should not disguise their
   economic homogeneity. Among the nearly forty House districts where
   Democrats took control in 2018, about thirty are rated “prosperous” or
   “comfortable” by the Economic Innovation Group, a bipartisan think tank. Of
   the forty-three “distressed” districts held by Republicans, Democrats
   flipped just two (NJ-2 and NM-2).

   In other words, the midterms confirmed that the Democrats have become —
   perhaps more than ever before in their two-hundred-year history — a party
   of the prosperous. The millionaire and billionaire governors, like Phil
   Murphy in New Jersey and J.B. Pritzker in Illinois, are only the gaudiest
   new constructions on the Democratic block.

   Cast your eye across a list of the twenty richest House districts in the
   United States, measured by median income: every single one of them now has
   a Democratic representative. Of the wealthiest forty districts, thirty-five
   of them just elected a Democrat; of the wealthiest fifty, that number is
   forty-two.

   full:
   https://jacobinmag.com/2018/11/midterm-elections-reconstruction-du-bois
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Thu Nov 15 17:09:27 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:09:27 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Tell Would-Be House Leaders to Give Back Weapons
	Money
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Message-ID: <44BEB267-F942-46BD-9088-FCF2C4298ED4@illinois.edu>

From: World BEYOND War <info at worldbeyondwar.org<mailto:info at worldbeyondwar.org>>
Subject: Tell Would-Be House Leaders to Give Back Weapons Money
Date: November 15, 2018
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From: Ron Szoke

We urge you to give back all funding from war profiteers and to committ to not accepting it in the future.


Click here to sign<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/GwE/ni0YAA/t.2ml/M1HLMi0iRsKyztHBmzbOrQ/h2/WQ-2BlIwq7W2eCmkkcwbDiBV0Frf8aO-2BhheoIczpshG3CGtzlIeNrEOJ8Ay-2Bu6Sbq4v3Bfi-2BemkhW-2BAlKUVhdw2dx4wFLSFe7H9nycI1NfI-2Bhpny8FrQ6SMajWEE0JlWZ0T9u3t59gjBnt5wADoiS0sp8cla2eW3-2B88VWIqNPxPmV7Z1cYsqhOtXtx7jfAocmCmkrNhBZMKHjRqtWHF-2BtJfopJOKxIsL3KSjXf3kRE5C3ChiGX9lAtnBQgur4U28Y7cc9EB3z0kXUwquGJ0JFPnUd4UqR6lYDMAuDcZ2JRI8GVi9zynfHu8quzuR4siuJhOuDSvCK6wy2vyTHZpAplgL-2FCZK-2F-2BZnQ65X7jU8gD-2Fy8-3D>.

These names have been discussed as possible committee chairs or for the positions of Speaker of the House and other leadership positions. Next to each name is the amount of money they've taken from the military industrial complex for their 2018 election campaign:

Adam Smith $228,750
Steny Hoyer $163,856
Richard Neal $86,150
Adam Schiff $80,445
Jim Clyburn $69,500
Nita Lowey $68,000
Nancy Pelosi $50,074
John Yarmuth $12,500
Frank Pallone $11,000
Diana DeGette $7,010
Cheri Bustos $6,798
Elijah Cummings $5720
Barbara Lee $2010
Hakeem Jeffries $2,000
Jerrold Nadler $0

Nadler is not alone in taking no money from the war machine. There were 16 House Democrats and 10 House Republicans (but zero Senators) who took no money (PAC or otherwise) from the weapons industry in the most recent election cycle. Those near the bottom of the list above may possibly have merely received donations from employees not coordinated by their employers. They can still refund that money, especially as it is small amounts. Those at and near the top of the list above are shamelessly making themselves the puppets of people profiting from bloodshed.

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> Weapons Makers Rushing Campaign Cash to Democrat in Line to Chair Defense Industry’s Key House Committee
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Thu Nov 15 17:11:27 2018
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:11:27 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Rich Democrats
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Does it have anything to do with education and access to information?

On Nov 15, 2018, at 10:49 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:


The geographic diversity of these victories should not disguise their economic homogeneity. Among the nearly forty House districts where Democrats took control in 2018, about thirty are rated “prosperous” or “comfortable” by the Economic Innovation Group, a bipartisan think tank. Of the forty-three “distressed” districts held by Republicans, Democrats flipped just two (NJ-2 and NM-2).

In other words, the midterms confirmed that the Democrats have become — perhaps more than ever before in their two-hundred-year history — a party of the prosperous. The millionaire and billionaire governors, like Phil Murphy in New Jersey and J.B. Pritzker in Illinois, are only the gaudiest new constructions on the Democratic block.

Cast your eye across a list of the twenty richest House districts in the United States, measured by median income: every single one of them now has a Democratic representative. Of the wealthiest forty districts, thirty-five of them just elected a Democrat; of the wealthiest fifty, that number is forty-two.

full: https://jacobinmag.com/2018/11/midterm-elections-reconstruction-du-bois

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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Thu Nov 15 18:22:07 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:22:07 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] simple-minded, metaphysics, fatuous
Message-ID: <B009AC63-A6EE-4DB9-A469-0141B5D271C1@illinois.edu>

Keywords  111518
A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics

simple-minded, metaphysics, fatuous

sim·ple-mind·ed or sim·ple·mind·ed (sĭm′pəl-mīn′dĭd)  adj.
1. Lacking in subtlety or sophistication; artless or naive: a simple-minded horror movie; simple-minded generalizations.
2. Stupid or silly; foolish.
3. Offensive Intellectually disabled.

sim′ple•mind′ed   adj.
1. lacking in mental acuteness or sense.
2. artless or unsophisticated.
[1735–45]

metaphysics
My simplistic, nontechnical definition:
all talk about things that are invisible & intangible (cannot be seen or touched):  abstractions such as thoughts, beliefs, motives, intentions, meanings, numbers, souls, spirits, gods, essences, truth, reality, tendencies, causes, patterns, structures, potentialities, etc.
> Note that I only suggest appropriate caution in dealing with these elusive abstract entities & do not mean complete disapproval or rejection.  It seems impossible for people to think or reason effectively without them.  ~ RSz.

metaphysical  (adjective)
Beyond measurement ; transcendent; supersensible.
Those who rail against it do so for the most practical reason: They have not mastered its use.  They strive for metaphysical formulations to justify their hidden little secret (sloth and fear).
— William F. Buckley Jr., The Lexicon (Harcourt, 1996), p. 97.

>  Now do you see how contemptible you are, according to the late Mr. Buckley, if you “rail against” anything metaphysical? Is that your shameful, hidden little secret?  Have you done that lately?  Confess! ~ RSz.

fat·u·ous  (făch′o͞o-əs)  adj.
Foolish or silly, especially in a smug or self-satisfied way: "an era of delicious, fatuous optimism shaped by the belief that enough good will on the part of people like ourselves could repair anything" (Shirley Abbott). See Synonyms at foolish<https://www.thefreedictionary.com/foolish>.
[From Latin fatuus.]

fatuous (ˈfætjʊəs)   adj
complacently or inanely foolish
[C17: from Latin fatuus; related to fatiscere to gape]

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From ewj at pigs.ag  Thu Nov 15 19:15:22 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (ewj at pigs.ag)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 03:15:22 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss]
	=?utf-8?q?simple-minded=2C_metaphysics=2C_fatuous?=
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Pirsig writes:

...another kind of high country now in the world of thought... the high country of the mind.

If all of human knowledge, everything that's known, is believed to be an enormous hierarchic structure, then the high country of the mind is found at the uppermost reaches of this structure in the most general, the most abstract considerations of all.

Few people travel here. There's no real profit to be made from wandering through it, yet like this high country of the material world all around us, it has its own austere beauty that to some people makes the hardships of traveling through it seem worthwhile.

In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty, and to the enormous magnitude of questions asked, and to the answers proposed to these questions. The sweep goes on and on and on so obviously much further than the mind can grasp one hesitates even to go near for fear of getting lost in them and never finding one's way out.

What is the truth and how do you know it when you have it? -- How do we really know anything? Is there an "I,'' a "soul,'' which knows, or is this soul merely cells coordinating senses? -- Is reality basically changing, or is it fixed and permanent? -- When it's said that something means something, what's meant by that?


>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>  To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>  Cc: Bill Strutz <bill.strutz at gmail.com>
>  Subject: [Peace-discuss] simple-minded, metaphysics, fatuous
>  Sent: Nov 16 '18 02:23
>  
>  
>  Keywords 111518
>  A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
>  
>  SIMPLE-MINDED, METAPHYSICS, FATUOUS
>  
>  sim·ple-mind·ed or SIM·PLE·MIND·ED (sĭm′pəl-mīn′dĭd)
>  _adj._
>  1. Lacking in subtlety or sophistication; artless or naive: _a
>  simple-minded horror movie; simple-minded generalizations._
>  2. Stupid or silly; foolish.
>  3. _Offensive_ Intellectually disabled.
>  
>  sim′ple•mind′ed _adj._
>  1. lacking in mental acuteness or sense.
>  2. artless or unsophisticated.
>  [1735–45]
>  
>  metaphysics
>  My simplistic, nontechnical definition:
>  all talk about things that are invisible & intangible (cannot be seen
>  or touched): abstractions such as thoughts, beliefs, motives,
>  intentions, meanings, numbers, souls, spirits, gods, essences, truth,
>  reality, tendencies, causes, patterns, structures, potentialities,
>  etc.
>  > Note that I only suggest appropriate caution in dealing with these
>  elusive abstract entities & do not mean complete disapproval or
>  rejection. It seems impossible for people to think or reason
>  effectively without them. ~ RSz.
>  
>  metaphysical (adjective)
>  _Beyond measurement ; transcendent; supersensible._
>  Those who rail against it do so for the most practical reason: They
>  have not mastered its use. They strive for metaphysical formulations
>  to justify their hidden little secret (sloth and fear).
>  — William F. Buckley Jr., _The Lexicon_ (Harcourt, 1996), p. 97.
>  
>  > Now do you see how contemptible you are, according to the late Mr.
>  Buckley, if you “rail against” anything metaphysical? Is that your
>  shameful, hidden little secret? Have you done that lately? Confess! ~
>  RSz.
>  
>  fat·u·ous (făch′o͞o-əs) _adj._
>  Foolish or silly, especially in a smug or self-satisfied way: _"an
>  era of delicious, fatuous optimism shaped by the belief that enough
>  good will on the part of people like ourselves could repair anything"_
>  _(Shirley Abbott)._ See Synonyms at FOOLISH.
>  [From Latin fatuus.]
>  
>  fatuous (ˈfætjʊəs) _adj_
>  complacently or inanely foolish
>  [C17: from Latin _fatuus_; related to _fatiscere_ to gape]
>  
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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 15 19:25:06 2018
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 13:25:06 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Rich Democrats
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No,

 

It has everything to do with the Democratic party ( with few exceptions ) abandoning the Working class, with the result being 48 % of eligible voters ( U.S. citizens who have not been disenfranchised ) not voting in elections and / or voting for third parties where available. The largest voting bloc currently in the U.S. are those who identify as independents, neither Republican or Democrat. Poll after poll has shown in recent years that the majority of this independent voting bloc are to the Left of the Democratic party on almost every single issue.

 

Another good example of this disconnect are the results of many ballot initiatives nationwide ; raising the minimum wage in Arkansas and Missouri, expanding Medicaid coverage in Utah, Montana, and Idaho, ending disenfranchisement of citizens in Florida with previous felony convictions from voting, and many medical marijuana initiatives that passed including full legalization in Michigan.

While at the same time, most of the states listed above voted primarily for Republican candidates.

Also Medicare for All is now supported by 52 % of rank and file voting Republicans ( 85 % of Democrats and 74 % of independents ) and a majority of the American people are opposed to the ongoing wars.

 

All of these issues the Democratic party leadership opposes.

 

David J.

 

From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 11:11 AM
To: David Green
Cc: Brussel, Morton K; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Rich Democrats

 

Does it have anything to do with education and access to information?





On Nov 15, 2018, at 10:49 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

 

The geographic diversity of these victories should not disguise their economic homogeneity. Among the nearly forty House districts where Democrats took control in 2018, about thirty are rated “prosperous” or “comfortable” by the Economic Innovation Group, a bipartisan think tank. Of the forty-three “distressed” districts held by Republicans, Democrats flipped just two (NJ-2 and NM-2). 

In other words, the midterms confirmed that the Democrats have become — perhaps more than ever before in their two-hundred-year history — a party of the prosperous. The millionaire and billionaire governors, like Phil Murphy in New Jersey and J.B. Pritzker in Illinois, are only the gaudiest new constructions on the Democratic block. 

Cast your eye across a list of the twenty richest House districts in the United States, measured by median income: every single one of them now has a Democratic representative. Of the wealthiest forty districts, thirty-five of them just elected a Democrat; of the wealthiest fifty, that number is forty-two. 

full: https://jacobinmag.com/2018/11/midterm-elections-reconstruction-du-bois 

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 20:00:26 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:26 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] simple-minded, metaphysics, fatuous
In-Reply-To: <20181115191522.2336.qmail@station188.com>
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Perhaps we should pay attention to the person Dante called “the master of those who know”: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categories_(Aristotle)>.

And his modern epigoni: <http://www.smilepolitely.com/opinion/the_master_of_those_who_know/>.

Yours in perfatuity, CGE


> On Nov 15, 2018, at 1:15 PM, e. wayne johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Pirsig writes:
> 
> ...another kind of high country now in the world of thought... the high country of the mind.
> 
> If all of human knowledge, everything that's known, is believed to be an enormous hierarchic structure, then the high country of the mind is found at the uppermost reaches of this structure in the most general, the most abstract considerations of all.
> 
> Few people travel here. There's no real profit to be made from wandering through it, yet like this high country of the material world all around us, it has its own austere beauty that to some people makes the hardships of traveling through it seem worthwhile.
> 
> In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty, and to the enormous magnitude of questions asked, and to the answers proposed to these questions. The sweep goes on and on and on so obviously much further than the mind can grasp one hesitates even to go near for fear of getting lost in them and never finding one's way out.
> 
> What is the truth and how do you know it when you have it? -- How do we really know anything? Is there an "I,'' a "soul,'' which knows, or is this soul merely cells coordinating senses? -- Is reality basically changing, or is it fixed and permanent? -- When it's said that something means something, what's meant by that?
> 
> 
>> -------Original Message-------
>> From: Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>> Cc: Bill Strutz <bill.strutz at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] simple-minded, metaphysics, fatuous
>> Sent: Nov 16 '18 02:23
>> 
>> 
>> Keywords 111518
>> A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
>> 
>> SIMPLE-MINDED, METAPHYSICS, FATUOUS
>> 
>> sim·ple-mind·ed or SIM·PLE·MIND·ED (sĭm′pəl-mīn′dĭd)
>> _adj._
>> 1. Lacking in subtlety or sophistication; artless or naive: _a
>> simple-minded horror movie; simple-minded generalizations._
>> 2. Stupid or silly; foolish.
>> 3. _Offensive_ Intellectually disabled.
>> 
>> sim′ple•mind′ed _adj._
>> 1. lacking in mental acuteness or sense.
>> 2. artless or unsophisticated.
>> [1735–45]
>> 
>> metaphysics
>> My simplistic, nontechnical definition:
>> all talk about things that are invisible & intangible (cannot be seen
>> or touched): abstractions such as thoughts, beliefs, motives,
>> intentions, meanings, numbers, souls, spirits, gods, essences, truth,
>> reality, tendencies, causes, patterns, structures, potentialities,
>> etc.
>>> Note that I only suggest appropriate caution in dealing with these
>> elusive abstract entities & do not mean complete disapproval or
>> rejection. It seems impossible for people to think or reason
>> effectively without them. ~ RSz.
>> 
>> metaphysical (adjective)
>> _Beyond measurement ; transcendent; supersensible._
>> Those who rail against it do so for the most practical reason: They
>> have not mastered its use. They strive for metaphysical formulations
>> to justify their hidden little secret (sloth and fear).
>> — William F. Buckley Jr., _The Lexicon_ (Harcourt, 1996), p. 97.
>> 
>>> Now do you see how contemptible you are, according to the late Mr.
>> Buckley, if you “rail against” anything metaphysical? Is that your
>> shameful, hidden little secret? Have you done that lately? Confess! ~
>> RSz.
>> 
>> fat·u·ous (făch′o͞o-əs) _adj._
>> Foolish or silly, especially in a smug or self-satisfied way: _"an
>> era of delicious, fatuous optimism shaped by the belief that enough
>> good will on the part of people like ourselves could repair anything"_
>> _(Shirley Abbott)._ See Synonyms at FOOLISH.
>> [From Latin fatuus.]
>> 
>> fatuous (ˈfætjʊəs) _adj_
>> complacently or inanely foolish
>> [C17: from Latin _fatuus_; related to _fatiscere_ to gape]
>> 
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>> 
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> 


From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 20:17:33 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:17:33 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The USG must stop making war in Yemen
Message-ID: <FA77BAA7-4002-47F5-AB24-ADC31BA192F2@gmail.com>

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/15/america-stop-participating-yemen-war

From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 21:59:06 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:59:06 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Gideon Levy: Netanyahu Blocked Another War
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Instruction probably wasn’t necessary.


> On Nov 15, 2018, at 7:55 AM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> But Bibi's body isn't as big as Ariel Sharon's was (before his "heart attack"--he paid for it for by withdrawing the Israeli Gaza settlements--and destroying them after removal) built by U.S. taxpayers, leaving nothing but rubble for Gaza Palestinians for reconstruction.  Then Bibi makes Gazans pay for losing the Gaza Israeli settlements every time they try to rebuild.  Until/unless, like liberal Tzipi says, they "exchange Hamas with a leader Israel can live with" or enjoy "deterrence through military strikes." 
> 
> Deja vu all over again.  
> 
> Midge
> 
> P.S.  I think POTUS learned to talk out of 2 sides of his mouth from Bibi--or is it the other way around?
>     
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> To: peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>
> Cc: peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2018 8:01 pm
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Gideon Levy: Netanyahu Blocked Another War
> 
> Haaretz - Israel NewsThursday, November 15, 2018. 
> Kislev 7, 5779 Time in Israel: 3:39 AM
> 
> Opinion We Must Give Credit to Netanyahu: He Blocked Another War With His Body
> 
> In Israel, avoiding war is perceived as defeatism. But that’s what Netanyahu does, while Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid talks about employing force like the other demagogues on the left and right
> 
> Gideon Levy  
> 
> Imagine Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid as prime minister. The army would already be at the outskirts of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip. The pilots would be bombing and the artillery would be shelling. Gaza would lie in ruins. On the Palestinian side, hundreds would be dead after the first strike, some of them traffic-police cadets just like in that other wonderful war, Operation Cast Lead of 2008-09.
> 
> In his black jacket, Marshall Lapid would brief his forces: kill, destroy, obliterate, demolish. The nation would cheer and the “leftist” media would be ecstatic – the united chorus of war. Fifty days of elation, of horrific killing in Gaza and anxiety and rockets in Israel, leading nowhere. This is what Lapid meant this week when he said that “this is the right time to employ force.”
> 
> Imagine Zionist Union leader Avi Gabbay as prime minister. “Quiet is bought by deterrence, not with money,” he wrote this week, as any run-of-the-mill right-winger could have written. Imagine opposition leader Tzipi Livni, who lashed out in a similar way: “Deterrence is created through military strikes,” and “exchange the Hamas leadership for people who cooperate with us.” Imagine Ehud Barak, who quipped that Hamas’ leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, was “humiliating Netanyahu.”
> 
> Imagine the former military chief of staff, Benny Gantz, who held his silence; imagine Avigdor Lieberman, who resigned, or Naftali Bennett, who made threats. Imagine a nightmare. Not one of the demagogues on the left or right (as if there were a difference) offered anything but death and destruction. They simply wanted to placate the media, which has become more bloodthirsty and bellicose than ever, and the public, which only wanted to see dead Gazans, the more the better, with their houses destroyed as much as possible.
> 
> Only one person stood up to this surging dark wave without faltering; we must honestly say so and praise him – the prime minister blocked another war with his body. It has been proved yet again that Benjamin Netanyahu is the most resolute war-hater among the country’s leaders. We should reiterate that, whatever his motives, the result suffices to command respect. Due to him no blood was shed. We can’t make light of this, we can’t help but give him credit.
> 
> This time he even explained his policy – in Paris on Sunday and next to David Ben-Gurion’s grave on Wednesday. He spoke about the futility of war and the unpopularity of avoiding that path – the epitome of a leader’s statement. If a politician not named Netanyahu talked like that, we’d melt with pleasure. He spoke and he acted. No one praised him, and he’ll pay for it.
> In Israel, avoiding war is perceived as defeatism. Giving him a compliment, even when he deserves one, is perceived as betrayal. You can’t say a good word about the devil, you have to treat a preventer of war the way you treat someone suspected of a crime. This week we had further proof that he has no substitute. The opposition has nothing original to offer.
> 
> There’s a direct line linking Lapid and Lieberman, one of bellicose populism. The cowards of the Zionist left didn’t dare say what they had an obligation to say long ago: Only a complete lifting of the Gaza blockade will solve Gaza’s problem, which is also Israel’s problem, and only a direct dialogue with Hamas can bring this about.
> 
> Netanyahu didn’t say this, he doesn’t think this. He’s also responsible for the daring and unnecessary undercover adventure whose failure led to the latest round of violence.
> >> Read more: Populism and empty threats: Lieberman deserves the public scorn | Analysis
> Thus Netanyahu is a poor man’s consolation, but a consolation nonetheless. A prime minister who again prevented a war, who understood that other than placating an incited public, the move would have been futile. A prime minister who lets fuel and money into Gaza so it can breath, even if just for a moment, is preferable to any of the warmongers in the governing coalition or in the opposition. Pictures of Gaza enjoying a little more electricity should warm everyone’s heart. But not in Israel.
> 
> On Wednesday, the bonus arrived: Lieberman’s resignation, especially if it ends the career of one of the most cynical and repulsive politicians we’ve ever had. For this too Netanyahu deserves a good word.
> 
> Now imagine Lapid. Imagine a war.
> 
> ###
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Thu Nov 15 22:47:29 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 22:47:29 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] UK hotwords, 2018
References: <7B5C8DF8-B1BD-4594-92F9-542B897EEFC8@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <9D975E0A-14F2-47B8-A8AB-734559A1E211@illinois.edu>

From: "Szoke, Ron" <r-szoke at illinois.edu<mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>>
Subject: Oxford Dictionaries' Word Of The Year Is A Tragically Apt Summary Of 2018 | HuffPost
Date: November 15, 2018

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oxford-dictionaries-word-of-the-year-2018_us_5bed6d7ce4b0dbb7ea680bac

Oxford Dictionaries’ Word Of The Year Is A Tragically Apt Summary Of 2018
Gaslighting, incel, big dick energy and overtourism all made the shortlist.
Lee Moran<x-msg://2/author/lee-moran>

There is a noxious air about Oxford Dictionaries’ <https://www.huffingtonpost.com/topic/oxford-english-dictionary> Word of the Year 2018 ― “toxic.”

The British publisher, in announcing the choice, revealed “a 45 percent rise in the number of times” the word — which it defines as “poisonous<https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition>” — was searched for in “an array” of literal and metaphorical contexts on its websites this year.

“In 2018, toxic added many strings<https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/word-of-the-year/word-of-the-year-2018> to its poisoned bow becoming an intoxicating descriptor for the year’s most talked about topics,” the publisher said in a statement online Thursday. “It is the sheer scope of its application, as found by our research, that made toxic the stand-out choice for the Word of the Year title.”

Oxford Dictionaries also revealed the 10 most looked-up terms containing the word:

1. Toxic Chemical

2. Toxic Masculinity

3. Toxic Substance

4. Toxic Gas

5. Toxic Environment

6. Toxic Relationship

7. Toxic Culture

8. Toxic Waste

9. Toxic Algae

10.Toxic Air

Eight other words made Oxford’s shortlist<https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/word-of-the-year/shortlist-2018>:

[cid:4401F462-4512-4033-92E0-2B389AF4F1E7 at hsd1.il.comcast.net]

Their definitions, per the publisher, are:

Big Dick Energy (BDE): An attitude of understated and casual confidence.

Cakeism: Primarily a word used in the UK, cakeism is the belief that it is possible to enjoy or take advantage of both of two desirable but mutually exclusive alternatives at once.

Gammon: Typically used in the UK as a derogatory term for an older middle-class white man whose face becomes flushed due to anger when expressing political (typically right-wing) opinions.

Gaslighting: The action of manipulating someone by psychological means into accepting a false depiction of reality or doubting their own sanity.

Incel: An incel is a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually. Typically, they hold views that are hostile towards men and women who are sexually active.

Orbiting: Orbiting is the action of abruptly withdrawing from direct communication with someone while still monitoring, and sometimes responding to, their activity on social media.

Overtourism: An excessive number of tourist visits to a popular destination or attraction, resulting in damage to the local environment and historical sites and in poorer quality of life for residents.

Techlash: A strong and widespread negative reaction to the growing power and influence of large technology companies, particularly those based in Silicon Valley.

Previous Oxford Dictionaries Words of the Year include the controversial “youthquake<https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oxford-dictionaries-word-of-the-year-confusion_us_5a33b6ede4b0ff955ad1f45a>” in 2017, “post-truth<https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oxford-dictionaries-word-of-the-year-perfectly-sums-up-life-right-now_us_582cab04e4b030997bbd09d7>” in 2016, the emoji known<https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oxford-word-of-the-year-emoji_us_564a222fe4b06037734a2e71> as “Face with Tears of Joy” in 2015, “vape<https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/18/vape-word-of-year_n_6178102.html>” in 2014, and “selfie<https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/word-of-the-year-2013_n_4296009.html>” in 2013.

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From ewj at pigs.ag  Fri Nov 16 02:51:48 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (ewj at pigs.ag)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:51:48 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?UK_hotwords=2C_2018?=
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References: <7B5C8DF8-B1BD-4594-92F9-542B897EEFC8@illinois.edu>
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Jethro Clampett attended Oxford.

I am sure that there was no pun intended in putting bde and incel on a "short" list.

I am sure that the world needs more broad publication of cool internet cryptomemes.

... more toxic masculinity...not more toxic, just more of it.

...& "more cowbell"... for Oxford.

>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>  To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>  Cc: Bill Strutz <bill.strutz at gmail.com>
>  Subject: [Peace-discuss] UK hotwords, 2018
>  Sent: Nov 16 '18 06:48
>  
>  
>  FROM: "Szoke, Ron" <r-szoke at illinois.edu>
>  
>  SUBJECT: OXFORD DICTIONARIES' WORD OF THE YEAR IS A TRAGICALLY APT
>  SUMMARY OF 2018 | HUFFPOST
>  
>  DATE: November 15, 2018
>  
>  >
>  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oxford-dictionaries-word-of-the-year-2018_us_5bed6d7ce4b0dbb7ea680bac
>  >
>  > OXFORD DICTIONARIES’ WORD OF THE YEAR IS A TRAGICALLY APT SUMMARY
>  > OF 2018
>  >
>  > GASLIGHTING, INCEL, BIG DICK ENERGY AND OVERTOURISM ALL MADE THE
>  > SHORTLIST.
>  >
>  > Lee Moran
>  >
>  > There is a noxious air about Oxford Dictionaries’ Word of the Year
>  > 2018 ― “toxic.”
>  >
>  > The British publisher, in announcing the choice, revealed “a 45
>  > percent rise in the number of times” the word — which it defines
>  > as “poisonous” — was searched for in “an array” of literal
>  > and metaphorical contexts on its websites this year.
>  > “In 2018, _toxic_ added many strings to its poisoned bow becoming
>  > an intoxicating descriptor for the year’s most talked about
>  > topics,” the publisher said in a statement online Thursday. “It
>  > is the sheer scope of its application, as found by our research,
>  > that made _toxic_ the stand-out choice for the Word of the Year
>  > title.”
>  >
>  > Oxford Dictionaries also revealed the 10 most looked-up terms
>  > containing the word:
>  >
>  >> 1. Toxic Chemical
>  >>
>  >> 2. Toxic Masculinity
>  >>
>  >> 3. Toxic Substance
>  >>
>  >> 4. Toxic Gas
>  >>
>  >> 5. Toxic Environment
>  >>
>  >> 6. Toxic Relationship
>  >>
>  >> 7. Toxic Culture
>  >>
>  >> 8. Toxic Waste
>  >>
>  >> 9. Toxic Algae
>  >>
>  >> 10.Toxic Air
>  >
>  > Eight other words made Oxford’s shortlist:
>  >
>  > Their definitions, per the publisher, are:
>  >
>  >> BIG DICK ENERGY (BDE): An attitude of understated and casual
>  >> confidence.
>  >>
>  >> CAKEISM: Primarily a word used in the UK, cakeism is the belief
>  >> that it is possible to enjoy or take advantage of both of two
>  >> desirable but mutually exclusive alternatives at once.
>  >>
>  >> GAMMON: Typically used in the UK as a derogatory term for an older
>  >> middle-class white man whose face becomes flushed due to anger
>  >> when expressing political (typically right-wing) opinions.
>  >>
>  >> GASLIGHTING: The action of manipulating someone by psychological
>  >> means into accepting a false depiction of reality or doubting
>  >> their own sanity.
>  >>
>  >> INCEL: An incel is a member of an online community of young men
>  >> who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually.
>  >> Typically, they hold views that are hostile towards men and women
>  >> who are sexually active.
>  >>
>  >> ORBITING: Orbiting is the action of abruptly withdrawing from
>  >> direct communication with someone while still monitoring, and
>  >> sometimes responding to, their activity on social media.
>  >>
>  >> OVERTOURISM: An excessive number of tourist visits to a popular
>  >> destination or attraction, resulting in damage to the local
>  >> environment and historical sites and in poorer quality of life for
>  >> residents.
>  >>
>  >> TECHLASH: A strong and widespread negative reaction to the growing
>  >> power and influence of large technology companies, particularly
>  >> those based in Silicon Valley.
>  >
>  > Previous Oxford Dictionaries Words of the Year include the
>  > controversial “youthquake” in 2017, “post-truth” in 2016,
>  > the emoji known as “Face with Tears of Joy” in 2015, “vape”
>  > in 2014, and “selfie” in 2013.
>  
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Nov 16 05:56:36 2018
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:56:36 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune & AOTA discussion
	suggestions/notes
Message-ID: <bab6ba2d-12f3-6ccc-2f44-1c97379c8630@forestfield.org>

Hi peace-discuss,

I thought you might want to read the notes I prepared for News from Neptune 
and AWARE on the Air discussion. I understand Carl posts them around but 
has been having some trouble with the URLs so hopefully the URLs should 
work for you from this copy.





Recommended 2-part video series: "On Contact" with Chris Hedges -- Hedges 
interviews Distinguished Professor of Anthropology David Harvey who wrote 
many books including "A Brief History of Neoliberalism". The 2-part 
interview is called "A critic of Neoliberalism".

A Brief History of Neoliberalism book:

http://www.cmecc.com/uploads/%E8%AF%BE%E6%9C%AC%E5%92%8C%E8%AE%BA%E6%96%87/%5B9%5D%5B%E5%A4%A7%E5%8D%AB%E5%93%88%E7%BB%B4%5D.David.Harvey.(2005).A.Brief.History.of.Neoliberalism.pdf

Interview:

Part 1 of 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-YO5EROH-I

Part 2 of 2: due out on YouTube on 2018-11-18 check 
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLagVUKF7CUTRiG64CklL1AN0mbmNaETfp 
for the URL to that episode.







Protesters have no time for objecting to war?

Protest time to keep Jeff Sessions, no protest time to challenge US 
imperialism? Who benefits from those priorities?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOK-2c68pYo -- a very worthwhile segment 
critically placing the Democrats into context: pro-FBI, pro-Jeff Sessions 
(even when not that long ago they objected to him), pro-CIA, 
pro-Russiagate, and pro-war through their silence -- there are no protests 
against the many wars the US is in.

The segment interview with Walter Smolarek of ANSWER Coalition is worth 
considering -- who benefits from these protests and the noticeable silence 
regarding US imperialism?

I think this is reflective of my concerns about the Trump Derangement 
Syndrome driving corporate TV these days: it's curious that there's so much 
room for such a narrow band of critique against Pres. Trump which never 
brings up his war criminality or compares what he said on the campaign 
trail about war (such as rightly pointing out how badly the invasion and 
occupation of Iraq went for the US and the Iraqis) versus what he does in 
office (continue that occupation).

The complaints against Trump still focus on his weight, his hairdo, his 
skin tone, the fit of his suits, and his namecalling. His policies have 
been a big miss recently as those who railed against US immigration policy 
used pictures of children in cages taken during Obama's administration (and 
these complainers can't bear to bring up the continuity of policy because 
that would interfere with making a personal example out of Trump and 
reinforcing the lie that if we could oust Trump from the presidency we'd 
somehow be better off).









War: Defense contractors still see a boom time under Democratic Party House

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlveZE_kr80 -- The Washington Post reports 
that weapons contractors will still make lots of money.

 From 
https://www.postguam.com/business/defense-contractors-unfazed-by-democratic-gains/article_77b30764-e3f0-11e8-8607-cf9c7b51c0bc.html 
which is a copy of 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/08/defense-contractors-unfazed-by-democratic-gains-republican-deficit-hawks-lose-influence/

> The companies that make jets, bombs and aircraft carriers for the U.S. 
> military are telling investors that the defense business still will be 
> booming under a Democrat-controlled House of Representatives, even as a 
> split Congress threatens a return to partisan gridlock.
> 
> The reason, one defense executive said, is that the Democratic takeover 
> of the House could weaken Republican deficit hawks in Congress at a
> time when their influence is already diminished.
> 
> "One concern that we did have was relative to deficit hawks," Raytheon 
> chief executive Thomas Kennedy said at the Robert W. Baird Industrial 
> Conference in Chicago. "And it turns out that ... most of the deficit 
> hawks were in the House and on the Republican side."
> 
> He went on to say the Democratic takeover "changes the equation"
> relative to conversations around the national debt.
> 
> "The environment is actually nice now because it's settled. We know
> exactly what it is," Kennedy said. "The uncertainty has been taken out,
> and we know that we don't have this issue with the deficit hawks moving
> forward. So we're actually very very optimistic."
> 
> House Republicans lost a number of deficit-minded representatives.
> Virginia Rep. Dave Brat and Texas Rep. Pete Sessions, who both pushed a
> constitutional amendment requiring Congress to pass a balanced budget
> every year, narrowly lost to their Democratic opponents. Deficit hawks
> already had been marginalized in the Republican Party, with just a
> single Republican representative opposing the GOP tax bill over budget
> issues.
> 
> Investment analysts studying the defense industry appear to largely
> agree with Kennedy. >
> In a Wednesday morning note to investors entitled "It's always a party,
> regardless of party," Jefferies investment analyst Sheila Kahyaoglu
> noted the 2006 midterm election, in which Democrats seized the House at
> the height of the U.S. war in Iraq. Defense companies' share prices
> climbed an average of 18 percent during that year.

Max Keiser comments on this article:

> Raytheon [quoted in the Washington Post article] is the middle man
> between the outright Pentagon-run media outlet MSNBC. The second point
> there is a good one: the Democrats are really the war party because they
> believe in infinite deficits, right? Whereas the Republicans at least
> make a nodding reference to the fact that you need to balance the books
> and maybe it's a waste of money; they have a concept of hard money,
> occasionally which serves them well. Whereas the Democrats are all
> about 'there is no such thing as a limit to the amount of money we can
> print' and that extends to the war machine and that's why Hillary
> Clinton is a warmonger and the Democrats are easily conned into spending
> trillions of dollars and the defense industry and why [when] they
> control the House defense stocks went up! I mean is there any clearer
> indication that the Democrats are the party of war?








War: Inadvertently published Pentagon documents expose US hand in Yemen exposé

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5RkNOAU0U -- the US pledged support for 
Saudi Arabia (SA) even as news arrived that Yemen was experiencing the 
worst humanitarian crisis.

A document describing an operation called "YOUKON JOURNEY" was 
unintentionally published online and confirmed that this was occuring in 
Yemen and thus continuing US support for SA. This document puts into 
context US claims of no longer fueling SA-led attacks in Yemen.

With one exception for mid-air refueling, the US won't stop backing SA and 
never had any real intent to, despite public relations to the contrary. 
Mid-air refueling from the US might stop but only because SA says it can do 
this without the US. That's not an anti-war or even anti-war-in-Yemen measure.








War: Israel ceasefire?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar310zyBXKs -- Israel bombed Gaza TV 
station Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas-run TV) just before Al-Aqsa was due to broadcast 
footage of a bus bombing where an Israeli soldier was on board, and Israel 
reaches a ceasefire in Gaza as Hamas agrees to stop demonstrating. Over the 
last 6 months IDF has killed over 150 Palestinians there.









Monsanto influenced the Canadian government to approve glyphosate a couple 
of years ago with studies written by Monsanto (now owned by Bayer)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMH-dphxV3g -- Health Canada learned that 
Monsanto used misrepresented studies indicating glyphosate is safe. 
Canadian authorities are now reviewing Monsanto's glyphosate application.

It's a bit like VP Cheney pushing for the 2003 invasion of Iraq by feeding 
propaganda to the New York Times to be published without sources then going 
on the Sunday morning chat shows and making fraudulent claims backed by 
saying something akin to 'if you don't believe me, just read the Times'.









Russiagate: House Democrats will launch 85 investigations of Pres. Trump 
and (including Russian "collusion") demand his tax returns. None of which 
will address why he was duly elected, the accelerating economic inequality, 
or end US wars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efrdTnJOkKI -- Democrats continue to show 
that they have no serious message the public can get behind (such as fully 
supporting Medicare for All, a national jobs program, ending wars, etc.).










Identity politics alive and well in media including self-identified 
"alternative" news media

Identity politics continues and claims support from another formerly 
reliable commentator: Laura Flanders is down with identity politics too.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/11/10/wtf-white-women -- Laura 
Flanders asks "WTF White Women?" -- why did so many white women not vote 
for a black Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams.

Laura Flanders wrote:

> 2016 was bad. 2018 was worse. While fifty-two percent of white women
> voted for Donald Trump and Mike Pence in 2016, in 2018, seventy-six
> percent of white women voted for Brian Kemp.
> 
> This Tuesday, seventy-six percent of white female voters in Georgia cast
> their ballots against Stacey Abrams becoming this nation’s first black
> female governor. Fifty-nine percent in Texas voted for Republican Ted
> Cruz against Latino Democrat Beto O’Rourke. Fifty-one percent opposed
> Andrew Gillum becoming the first African American governor of the
> Sunshine State.
> 
> White women rained all over that new day dawning. Did they vote on the
> issues? Statistically, there aren’t enough anti-choice, anti-healthcare,
> anti-minimum wage, gun-mad voters out there to blame just conservative
> women.
> 
> So white women are either stupid or spoiled. I say spoiled.
> 
> We reap plenty of spoils from white supremacy. To name a few: we get to
> be race-less, sexy, vulnerable and at least relatively safe.

The rest of the article is a list of the advantages white women have over 
non-white women and ends with:

> So what the hell, white women? Talk. Not too loudly, or everywhere, all
> the time, or remorsefully to your one girlfriend-of-color, but to me, or
> a white woman like me.
> 
> We don’t want 2020 to roll around and wish that one hundred years ago
> we’d never given white women the vote.

Perhaps Flanders missed 
https://www.blackagendareport.com/how-stupid-do-stacey-abrams-lucy-mcbath-and-most-progressive-democrat-congressional-candidates 
where the vague 'vote for her because she will somehow make things better 
for non-white women' is put into context:

Bruce A. Dixon wrote:

> Stacey Abrams wants to be president, and Georgia governor is one of the
> checkmarks on the way there, and election to governor will immediately
> put her on the short list of contenders. She lays that out quite clearly
> in her latest book Minority Leader How to Lead From the Outside and Make
> Real Change. It’s a memoir-centered self-help book, an
> I-did-it-you-can-do-it-too kind of thing with checklists at the end of
> every chapter. The “it” she talks about in the book is achieving power,
> but for all her deep understanding of how to maneuver to obtain this
> power Stacey offers very few if any clues about what great things she
> wants to do with that power.
> 
> We’ve seen that movie before though haven’t we? Didn’t we just finish
> eight years of an unaccountable black president presiding over the
> greatest loss of black family wealth since we started keeping statistics
> on it? Didn’t we just see three million American families lose their
> homes? Didn’t we hear Eric Holder, the first black attorney general tell
> us the banks to were too big to jail and too important to investigate,
> and didn’t we see Loretta Lynch the second black attorney general
> literally write the fine print on get out of jail free cards for
> CitiGroup and other criminal investors who walked away with billions.
> We’ve lived to see a black president break his word on raising the
> minimum wage and delivering single payer health care? The first black
> president blockaded and bombed all the countries the white presidents
> before him [had] blockaded and bombed and added a few new ones, including
> the actual overthrow of a prosperous African country, where black
> Libyans and other Africans are being traded as slaves right now. Didn’t
> we see the first black president expand fracking around the world,
> privatize big chunks of public education, and let all the torturers and
> kidnappers on the US payroll off the hook?

It's not clear what Abrams offered Georgia residents as governor other than 
'vote for her because she's black and a woman'.

By this reasoning, if Condoleeza Rice ran for US President she'd be a 
shoo-in despite her political record (just like Hillary Clinton was 
supposed to have been a shoo-in, right?). We were supposed to choose 
between voting for Mrs. Clinton or being a misogynist, after all. A vote 
for Jill Stein also somehow qualified as misogyny in the insane identity 
politics false dichotomy.




Democracy Now reaffirms commitment to Trump Derangement Syndrome and 
impeaching Trump with no analysis of what that means should this be a step 
on the road toward getting Trump out of office before the end of his term.

 From 
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/11/9/rashida_tlaib_on_impeaching_trump_occupied 
-- an interview with Rashida Tlaib, newly-elected Congressional 
representative from Minnesota:

> AMY GOODMAN: Will you try to impeach President Trump?
> 
> REP.-ELECT RASHIDA TLAIB: Yes. I truly believe that he’s obstructing
> justice. It is very clear that something is wrong within our own
> government. You can like the man, but I could tell you, I know you like
> the rule of law more. And in America, there is laws that we all follow,
> that we all should equally be held accountable to. And I can tell you
> very strongly that this is not political for me. I mean, he could be a
> Democratic president, and I would still say the same thing: obstruction
> of justice.
> 
> And as an attorney myself, I can tell you, when we start kind of turning
> our heads and letting little bit of things slip by, like what we’ve seen
> the last few days, we are jeopardizing our own democracy. We are
> jeopardizing that accountability and that balance of government that’s
> there, that is so critical for us to live in a free country. We cannot
> allow him to taint this process, that’s there for a reason. And I’m very
> much willing to start investigating and leaning towards that, if he has
> anything to do with obstructing justice. And it pretty much sounds like
> he is trying to sway this investigation and trying to make sure that he
> protects himself instead of protecting our own country.

It's not clear how this is meant to benefit the country in any practical 
sense such as alleviating crushing debt, reallocating federal discretionary 
spending toward programs of social value that would create living wage 
jobs, ending homelessness, stopping the drug war, or passing Medicare for 
All into law.

It strikes me as a step toward getting Trump out of office earlier than the 
end of a term and pushing VP Pence into office. But there's no analysis of 
the practical consequences of this. No challenge to the Democrats' pro-war, 
pro-big bank, pro-corporate policies that good-cop/bad-cop the US into 
another round of discouraging voters (most voters identify as independent 
now, not siding with a party). The Democrats appear to me to continue to 
push the message "we're not with Trump" which is not a policy. The 
accusations leading up to this (such as Russiagate) have had years and gone 
nowhere. Meanwhile Americans are no better off economically but we've got 
trillions for killing people.








What does that Jim Acosta kerfuffle really mean? And why are we hearing 
about the hypocritical reaction to this kerfuffle from RT & Fox News but 
not from Democracy Now?

Comparison between RT and DemocracyNow.org's coverage of the kerfuffle 
between Pres. Trump and Jim Acosta. DN does not come out looking good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwUW0qywCy0 -- RT's coverage, part of "In 
Question" a new news program from RT's Anya Parampil. She and RT's Afshin 
Rattansi and former UK MP George Galloway cover this issue well, putting 
things in perspective including quickly dismissing the distractive alleged 
'touching a woman's hand' non-event, and hypocritical reaction from 
establishment journalism getting all worked up about pulling Acosta's White 
House credentials. Other CNN people are apparently free to visit the White 
House to replace him but RT's entire staff lost their credentials and were 
selected to be forced to register under FARA (Foreign Agents Registration 
Act), including RT US staff. This stands in sharp contrast to other 
state-funded foreign news organizations including the BBC (British) and CBC 
(Canadian) who have not been so compelled. Many RT programs now carry a 
notice saying that a transcript of that program is on file with the US 
Government (see any recent episode of "On Contact with Chris Hedges" or 
"Redacted Tonight" for examples). Virtually everybody in the establishment 
media (and Democracy Now) were silent about about RT's mistreatment.

If DN is going to give the same perspective as the establishment media 
outlets and the same silence to important civil liberties issues as 
establishment media outlets, how alternative can DN be?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TSwjgG0Shs -- There's very selective 
support for who is allowed to report among news organizations. Few want to 
talk about RT's Capitol credentials being pulled in the same context as 
they want to talk about CNN's Jim Acosta's kerfuffle. They want to frame 
Acosta's denial of access as a 1st Amendment issue or at the very least 
very troubling for all journalists. But silence about RT (this includes 
Democracy Now which reported that RT's access was revoked but offered no 
analysis and no explanation of how troubling this should be for all 
journalists).

Tucker Carlson was one of the few exceptions to this; he mentioned the 
hypocrisy on his Fox News program:

> Now CNN is claiming to defend free speech. Only when it's their speech. 
> You'll notice, by the way, that CNN did not object when the government 
> threatened to imprison employees of the cable channel RT if they didn't 
> register as foreign agents. Yes, RT is owned by a foreign government.
> So is the BBC. Until last year much of the New York Times was owned by
> a foreign national. This is true of other news organizations, none of 
> which has ever registered as a foreign agent.







Good voting policy isn't designed to and won't change social, economic policies

Ranked voting, same-day registration, and other election changes are nice 
and worth defending in order to increase the chances we'll hear from 
political candidates other than those from the major corporate parties. But 
we should be clear about what you expect to gain from such electoral 
changes. These changes won't clearly address corporate control over 
government nor will these changes give the electorate candidates one can 
justify voting for.

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/07/the-remarkable-participation-and-efficiency-of-brazils-elections-proves-how-shameful-and-deliberate-is-the-chaos-and-suppression-in-the-u-s/ 
-- Glenn Greenwald's latest on the Brazilian election which is probably 
better in any quantifiable way to the US election system (a run-off 
election, a clear "none of the candidates" voting choice, requiring voting 
but accepting a blank ballot as a valid ballot, same-day results based on 
counting as one goes, no stories like being "turned away from voting 
booths, rampant technological malfunctions, and vote counts that linger for 
weeks with no certain outcome" which recur every 2 years in the US with no 
substantive improvement to the system).

But they didn't stop Bolsonaro who so pleased the capitalist class that the 
Wall St. Journal endorsed him[1] and investments shot up on the news he had 
been duly elected.

[1] See Redacted Tonight's take on this in 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQwZt8ZQTXI and a snippet from "The 
Corporation" on the history of businesses working with "official enemies 
[...], terrorists, tyrants, and despotic regimes" in 
https://files.digitalcitizen.info/corporations-prop-up-fascists/the-corporation-nazi-germany.webm

As Greenwald points out, Brazil's election system is not capable of fixing 
economic problems such as an enormous gap between the wealthy and the poor 
that apparently spur people to vote for a candidate such as Jair Bolsonaro 
despite being designed to grant voters a chance to get to the polls and vote:

> Then, there’s the issue of voter participation. Voting is legally
> mandatory in Brazil: Every citizen over the age of 16 is automatically
> eligible to vote, and those over 18 are required to do so, facing a
> trivial fine for failing to do so (absent a valid justification). They
> are free to vote for “none of the candidates” or leave their ballot
> blank, but it is a legal duty. Still, in the last election, roughly 20
> percent of voters violated that law and abstained from voting. But that
> means that 80 percent of the adult population voted — a far higher
> participation rate than any election in the U.S.
> 
> That’s because everything about the structure of Brazil’s election
> system, set forth in the 1989 constitution it enacted after it exited
> its military dictatorship, is designed to maximize, not suppress, voter
> participation. All citizens are automatically registered. Voting is
> mandatory. The elections are held on Sunday, ensuring that working
> people have the fewest barriers to voting, instead of in the middle of
> the week. Machine voting is uniform throughout the country’s 27 states.
> 
> Brazil generally, and its politics specifically, is plagued with
> countless grave problems, as I’ve reported on over the last several
> years. It’s a country beset by a convergence of hideous political,
> social, and economic crises caused by a broken ruling class, all
> exacerbated by severe wealth inequality.
> 
> But that’s the point. If Brazil — an extremely young democracy with far
> less wealth than the U.S. and intense political, economic, and social
> pathologies — can hold basically efficient, seamless, fast, vibrantly
> participatory, and smooth national elections on a massive scale, as it
> did twice last month, then so, obviously, could the U.S.

Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15Mp_5CfE0 -- Does the US have 
the worst voting system in the world? Possibly but it's that bad by design, 
not by accident.





War funding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogsC-SDJLyQ -- Millions of US taxpayer 
money in Syria is being funneled to Al-Qaeda, claims Joint Inspector 
General Report on "Operation Inherent Resolve":

https://media.defense.gov/2018/Nov/05/2002059226/-1/-1/1/FY2019_LIG_OCO_OIR_Q4_SEP2018.PDF

> Since late 2017, USAID [U.S. Agency for International Development] OIG
> investigations have uncovered numerous instances of possible or
> confirmed diversions to armed groups in Idlib Governorate in
> northwestern Syria, including Ha’yat Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS), a designated
> Foreign Terrorist Organization.
> 
> One investigation found that an NGO’s employees knowingly diverted
> thousands of USAID- funded food kits worth millions of dollars to
> ineligible beneficiaries (including HTS fighters) and submitted
> falsified beneficiary lists. The investigation resulted in USAID
> suspending the program and the NGO terminating the employment of dozens
> of individuals from March to May 2018.

Vanessa Beeley, independent journalist to RT

> What is very interesting in this report is that the USAID watchdog does 
> not name the NGOs. Now, of course, one of those primary NGOs will be
> the White Helmets probably one of the most promoted, supported, and
> iconized NGO entities working on the ground in Syria basically providing
> the propaganda and corroboration of the regime change foreign policy.
> Surely the US should, first of all, be lifting its economic sanctions
> and it should then be, if it's necessary, be collaborating with the
> Syrian government to provide aid to where it's most needed. Of course I
> don't expect this to happen.

Breitbart's report pointed out:

> Several analysts have determined that the al-Qaeda branch in Syria is
> the terrorist group’s most robust[1] wing.

[1] 
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/07/13/house-witnesses-al-qaeda-is-strongest-in-syria-where-it-could-incorporate-failing-islamic-state/

This means, as RT's report pointed out, US taxpayers have spent trillions 
of dollars in the post-9/11 so-called "war on terror" in order to stop 
Al-Qaeda. But it appears that US taxpayers have been funding Al-Qaeda too. 
Who benefits from this? War profiteers, chiefly: weapons manufacturers, and 
pro-war US Congressmembers (pro-war on both sides of the aisle; Democrats 
offer no opposition on this the largest of state matters).

Breitbart reported on this in 
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/11/08/pentagon-report-ngos-knowingly-diverted-millions-u-s-aid-al-qaeda-group-syria/ 
and so did RT. What about Democracy Now? DN has 4 stories in 2018 featuring 
the word "USAID" according to their website's search engine results, the 
latest of which is from August 6, well before this report was published[1]. 
So I think it's safe to say no, DN offers no coverage of this.

[1] Reload https://www.democracynow.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=usaid 
to see if this has changed.





Democratic Republic of Congo Ebola Outbreak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvAkxi-aheE -- Ebola outbreak claims 198 
victims so far in 2 months in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

The Congo is one of the world's major sources of metals needed for jewelry 
and computers. Those metals are worth $24 trillion. Historically this land 
has also provided slave labor to fuel the rubber trade.

In the 1960s the British, US, and Belgian governments wanted the first 
elected Prime Minister of an independent Democratic Republic of the Congo, 
Patrice Émery Lumumba, a pan-Africanist, killed because he was going to get 
aid from Russia (then the Soviet Union). Lumumba asked the US and UN for 
help to suppress Katangan secessionists backed by Belgium, neither helped. 
US President Eisenhower ordered Lumumba's murder and it appears there was 
considerable effort put into this: the CIA had a plot to poison Lumumba 
with his toothpaste, another CIA plot to shoot Lumumba (revealed in the 
1975 Church Committee), and CIA Chief Allen Dulles (the man for whom Dulles 
airport is named) ordered Lumumba's assassination and allocated $100,000 
for the effort. CIA documents released later would reveal that Lumumba's 
Congolese enemies who would kill him (including Mobutu Sese Seko, once 
Lumumba's personal aide, and Joseph Kasa-Vubu, once President of the 
Republic of the Congo) received money and weapons from the CIA. In January 
1961 Lumumba was killed.

See Ludo de Witte's book "The Assassination of Lumumba" for the definitive 
work on this matter.





Another interesting note on Democracy Now's reluctance to critically 
examine the Democratic Party: Newly elected Rep. Ocasio-Cortez backed some 
young climate activists conducting a sit-in in Rep. Pelosi's DC office 
demanding that "the Democrats back a 'Green New Deal'".

https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/pelosi-and-dem-leadership-we-won-you-the-house-now-we-demand-a-real-climate-plan?nowrapper=true&referrer=&source= 
has a copy of their petition:

> 1. Champion a Green New Deal that would create millions of good jobs to
> transform society over the next decade to stop climate change. This
> means creating a committee tasked specifically to write policy on
> creating jobs and moving our country off fossil fuels over the
> designated 12 years that the IPCC has given us. Let’s protect the lives
> of all working people -- black, brown, and white -- from the ravages of
> disaster and pollution.
> 
> 2. Mandate that any Democrat in leadership must take the No Fossil Fuel
> Money pledge and reject campaign contributions from fossil fuel
> executives and lobbyists and prioritize the health of people and planet
> over industry profits. Oil and gas executives profit off a business
> model that's incompatible with the future of human civilization. It's
> time for the Democratic Party to reject their influence wholesale.
> 
> A rising generation of young people of all backgrounds just helped flip
> the House with a record turnout. We will no longer tolerate empty
> promises and words without action. We’re not expecting miracles -- we
> understand that the GOP is corrupted by dirty oil money and will stall
> us at every turn. We know that sweeping change isn’t possible until
> Trump is gone -- but we need to start laying the groundwork and put
> forward our vision for America now.

We'll see where this goes but any real examination of this has to focus on 
where the House Democrats get their campaign money.

RT's coverage about this -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfYJZ1-LBLE -- 
is differently shameful. The host and guests all seem to side with 
corporate power. None challenge the idea that finding the money for 
Medicare for All is not an issue. We're already paying HMOs more than 
Medicare for All would cost and we can't keep up with HMO greed. We're 
apparently okay with the euphemistically-named Defense Department losing 
track of trillions of dollars (covered in a previous notes filing). That's 
enough money to buy out the HMOs at market value ($300-$800B according to 
estimates I heard on Ralph Nader's radio show) thus eliminating the only 
organized opposition to Medicare for All. There's also cutting the military 
budget in half and spending money on programs the US needs. The issue 
facing Democratic Party supporters is their allegiance to their corporate 
funding base. Democrats have not gone along with Medicare for All. We've 
seen what the Democrats did when they have a Democratic Party president and 
control of Congress -- they did not bring HR676 (Medicare for All) and up 
for a vote. We got the ACA ("ObamaCare" nee RomneyCare) which keeps the 
HMOs in charge. But they kept the wars going, escalating invasions and 
killing just like their Republican counterparts do. Funny how there's never 
any question of money for that.

Democracy Now mentioned this protest but there's no analysis examining how 
this puts Democrats in a pickle: should one recognize that Democrats aren't 
supporting these policy choices or continue to support that party despite 
their corporatism?

DN does not report closely on stories that make the Democratic Party look 
bad. DN had nothing to say about the DNC lawsuit filed by Bernie Sanders 
supporters. This was a major break for the Democratic Party in which that 
party lost people who apparently cost Hillary Clinton the presidency (a 
major decline in Democratic Party voting came from those who had previously 
voted for Obama). The DNC Corporation's lawyer Bruce Spiva told us that the 
Democratic Party owes nobody a fair primary process:

http://jampac.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/042517cw2.pdf page 25:

> [I]f you had a charity where somebody said, Hey, I'm gonna take this
> money and use it for a specific purpose, X, and they pocketed it and
> stole the money, of course that's different. But here, where you have a
> party that's saying, We're gonna, you know, choose our standard bearer,
> and we're gonna follow these general rules of the road, which we are
> voluntarily deciding, we could have — and we could have voluntarily
> decided that, Look, we're gonna go into back rooms like they used to and
> smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That's not the way it was
> done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right,
> and it would drag the Court well into party politics, internal party
> politics to answer those questions.

This wasn't news to anyone but it puts a fine point on how party primaries 
actually work.

As Boss Tweed told us, "I don't care who does the electing, so long as I 
get to do the nominating.".









Exploitation: Richard Wolff: New York and Virginia are paying more than 
half the cost to have Amazon add about 2,500 jobs to New York.

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/48k-per-amazon-hq-job -- New York taxpayers to 
pay $48,000 per Amazon HQ job...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TATrsC8mX_k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTth4Rb25H4 -- ...and this will also 
include a helipad. Part of the deal contract:

> The Public Parties recognize that the Company [Amazon] needs access
> to the Development Sites and agree to assist in securing access to a
> helipad on the Development Sites, as part of the Development Plan and
> subject to FAA approval.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TATrsC8mX_k is part 1 of the story 
including the odd offers governors offered if Amazon set up their HQ in 
their state, and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTth4Rb25H4 is part 2 
where Richard Wolff pointed out how little this benefits New York:

> This is a shocking display. What they are calling a government-private 
> partnership is nothing of the sort. It's a public subsidy to Amazon.
> The New York Times reported $5 billion in this project will be invested
> by Amazon. $5.5 billion dollars will be invested by New York and
> Virginia. That is a subsidy of over 50% of the cost of this project. We
> the taxpayers will be either paying higher taxes to fund this private 
> company, among the richest in the world, or, if we don't get our taxes 
> raised, the government will deliver fewer services to us because it has 
> given this enormous subsidy to a company. $5 billion from Virginia and 
> New York where Mr. Bezos, the owner of Amazon, is himself the owner of 
> $160 billion. He didn't need it, the company doesn't need it. We are 
> being asked to subsidize. All of the profits will go to the private 
> companies and their shareholders. We, the public, will be funding more 
> than half of this project. Shame is what Mr. DeBlasio ought to feel 
> rather than posing in the PR as if he has delivered something. [...]
> 
> The projected number of jobs in the New York area from this is 2,500. 
> That's a very small number and will have no effect on the unemployment 
> problem of this city [New York City] it's just too small and that's not 
> a surprise [...] because the kind of work Amazon does is highly 
> automated; it uses machines for 90% of what it does. And half of the 
> people it's likely to have working in New York will be brought in from 
> other parts of the Amazon empire.

I realize that Wolff's figures don't all agree with what's been publicized 
elsewhere but it's hard for me to criticize Wolff's figures too much. I've 
seen 25,000 new Amazon jobs spoken of as an estimate by Amazon:

 From 
https://blog.aboutamazon.com/company-news/amazon-selects-new-york-city-and-northern-virginia-for-new-headquarters

> Amazon will invest $5 billion and create more than 50,000 jobs across
> the two new headquarters locations, with more than 25,000 employees each
> in New York City and Arlington.

which is 10X as many jobs as Wolff mentioned, but since none of the jobs 
have materialized I'm not willing to give credit to Amazon for having met 
that 10X higher estimate (which is what really counts) or critique the 
estimate all that much. Perhaps we should ask Wisconsin residents how they 
like those 3,000 to 13,000 Foxconn jobs.

Sometimes big companies take advantage of the towns in which they locate, 
so it's reasonable to be skeptical. Walmart famously moved one of their 
stores a short distance from its previous location to avoid paying full 
taxes to the town in which they originally built a store. In 1992 Walmart 
received a $1.8 million infrastructure tax subsidy to place a store in 
Cathedral City, California. Walmart built the store and ran it until the 
tax subsidy ran out. When the city was about to receive all of the tax 
revenue Walmart would have had to pay Walmart moved from E. Ramon Road 
(near Route 111) to just outside city limits to the corner of McCallum Way 
& Date Palm Drive--just outside city limits but not far enough to 
discourage customers from going to the new location 2.2 miles from where 
the store used to be.

Walmart has a history of receiving tax subsidies for its stores. 
https://www.goodjobsfirst.org/sites/default/files/docs/pdf/wmtstudy.pdf has 
a list of many of them.

According to the New York Times 
(https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/opinion/new-yorks-amazon-deal.html) 
Amazon will lease office space in the Citigroup building and "develop a 
four-million-square-foot campus by the East River". I don't know if Amazon 
will leave when benefits run out (perhaps not because New York City offers 
access to nationally powerful people with whom Amazon might want in-person 
meetings) but I take the Walmart in Cathedral City story to be more broadly 
applicable than leaving town--taxpayer-funded subsidies can and will be 
taken advantage of when cities and states are as craven as New York's 
governor Andrew Cuomo was claiming he'd change his name to "Amazon" if it 
would help bring the company there. The New York deal doesn't appear to 
have any expectation of performance margins (Amazon gets so much money if 
they hire so many people, or hire so many New York state residents).

The second new headquarters for Amazon will be in Crystal City, Virginia in 
Arlington county. That deal reportedly includes language that will allow 
Amazon to be forewarned by at least 2 business days written notice about 
any pending Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request and, "seek a 
protective order or other appropriate remedy" when a FOIA request compels 
Amazon to produce information.

What's so special about this Virginia location? It's near to powerful 
regulators so corruption is easier to carry out -- 
https://twitter.com/PaulBlu/status/1062404457407877121

> Making friends in high places
> 
> Given Amazon's prominence as a technological powerhouse, access to key
> stakeholders - including regulators, federal government clients, and
> think tanks - in Washington, D.C. will drive significant value for the
> company.
> 
> As Amazon is poised to drive its business in a number of areas that will
> require complex federal regulatory oversight, proximity to key 
> stakeholders, including the Federal Aviation Administration, the
> Federal Trade Commission, the Federal Communications Commission, the
> Food and Drug Administration, and congressional committee leadership, 
> will prove vital.

See https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr5rLQ8XgAACDZD.jpg for the screengrab.




https://www.geekwire.com/2018/new-yorkers-protest-amazon-hq2-investing-housing-not-helicopters/ 
-- protests against Amazon.

Shawn Dixon, small business owner near where Amazon's new New York facility 
will be built:

> We’re worried about our ability to stay in the neighborhood. I’m not
> against growth and I’m not against Amazon but what I’m against is giving
> away all this money to one of the richest companies in the world when
> our schools are underfunded, we don’t have schools in this neighborhood,
> the trains don’t run here, and small business owners have no
> protections.






Irony alert: Apple wins anti-slavery award

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/14/apple-stop-slavery-award/ -- I'm not 
making this up:

> Apple retail chief Angela Ahrendts today accepted the Thomson Reuters
> Foundation's Stop Slavery Award on behalf of Apple at the Trust
> Conference, an annual human rights gathering.

Let's remember that Apple is one of the reasons Foxconn set up what are 
known as "suicide nets" mounted outside its sweatshop labor factories. So 
many workers were committing suicide by jumping to their death from their 
workspace in Foxconn's buildings that Foxconn and Apple took bad press for 
the deaths. Their response? Substantially improving working conditions and 
pay? No. Install nets outside the factory building in order to reduce the 
velocity of the falling workers before they become corpses and possibly 
prevent them from dying.

 From 
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/sep/13/cost-iphone-5-foxconn-factory 
where an undercover reporter joined the workforce making iThings:

> Dormitories smell of rubbish, sweat and foam, and the reporter wrote of
> cockroaches in the wardrobes and dirty bedsheets. chinalaborwatch.org
> reports at least 18 suicides at Foxconn plants in two years, and as a
> result dorm windows have been barred, which gives the impression of a
> prison. The various facilities include a gym, canteen, hospital, library
> and playground, which Wang claims are under-resourced or rundown.


More on worker conditions:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95395223/Sweatshops-Are-Good-for-Apple-and-Foxconn-But-Not-for-Workers

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/sep/13/cost-iphone-5-foxconn-factory

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/09/12/838341/foxconn-student-workers/

Apple's sweatshops at Pegatron are even worse than at Foxconn according to 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/29/apple-investugates-claims-china-factory

As Richard Stallman pointed out:

> Just because you're not pregnant, should that make it ok to require you
> to work 11 hours a day, 6 days a week? Apple is culpable if its products
> are made by people working a longer workweek than is allowed in the US.

Apple was rightfully criticized for continuing their worker abuse according 
to 
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/19/apple-under-fire-again-for-working-conditions-at-chinese-factories

I don't know of any reports which indicate significant improvement for 
Foxconn or Pegatron's workforce. As far as I know things are more or less 
as they were.

Related: https://libcom.org/blog/xulizhi-foxconn-suicide-poetry -- The 
poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (1990-2014)

《我就那样站着入睡》
"I Fall Asleep, Just Standing Like That"

眼前的纸张微微发黄
The paper before my eyes fades yellow

我用钢笔在上面凿下深浅不一的黑
With a steel pen I chisel on it uneven black

里面盛满打工的词汇
Full of working words

车间，流水线，机台，上岗证，加班，薪水……
Workshop, assembly line, machine, work card, overtime, wages...

我被它们治得服服贴贴
They've trained me to become docile

我不会呐喊，不会反抗
Don't know how to shout or rebel

不会控诉，不会埋怨
How to complain or denounce

只默默地承受着疲惫
Only how to silently suffer exhaustion

驻足时光之初
When I first set foot in this place

我只盼望每月十号那张灰色的薪资单
I hoped only for that grey pay slip on the tenth of each month

赐我以迟到的安慰
To grant me some belated solace

为此我必须磨去棱角，磨去语言
For this I had to grind away my corners, grind away my words

拒绝旷工，拒绝病假，拒绝事假
Refuse to skip work, refuse sick leave, refuse leave for private reasons

拒绝迟到，拒绝早退
Refuse to be late, refuse to leave early

流水线旁我站立如铁，双手如飞
By the assembly line I stood straight like iron, hands like flight,

多少白天，多少黑夜
How many days, how many nights

我就那样，站着入睡
Did I - just like that - standing fall asleep?

-- 20 August 2011






Assange/WikiLeaks

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/15/us-reportedly-looking-to-prosecute-julian-assange.html 
-- (appears to be a copy of the same text also published in the Wall St. 
Journal article "U.S. Is Optimistic It Will Prosecute Assange")

> The Justice Department is preparing to prosecute WikiLeaks founder
> Julian Assange and is increasingly optimistic it will be able to get him
> into a U.S. courtroom, according to people in Washington familiar with
> the matter.

The big change? Ecuadorian support for handing Julian Assange over to the 
US. In other words, the US couldn't do this without Ecuador's support.

> Ecuador granted Assange political asylum in 2012. He has since been
> living in the country's embassy in London.
> 
> But last month, Ecuador's foreign minister said the country no longer
> plans to intervene on Assange's behalf in discussions with the British
> government about his asylum status.
> 
> The Journal reported that U.S. prosecutors have weighed charges against
> Assange as the prospect of getting Ecuadorean officials to turn him over
> seem more likely.

What remains true is he's a publisher who published information powerful 
people didn't like and want to scapegoat him with costing Hillary Clinton 
the 2016 US election (in truth she was a horrible candidate who had already 
firmly established support for neoliberalism and neoconservatism as well as 
losing to a candidate with a lot less political experience than her).

The spineless so-called journalists don't defend him but were fine with 
publishing material from WikiLeaks (including the New York Times). Ironic 
that the recently-released movie "The Post" (Meryl Streep as Katharine 
Graham and Tom Hanks as Ben Bradlee) relies on the defense of the public 
interest and spinefulness you won't find amongst those who are heard from 
the most in the Assange case and in a related case with CNN and RT.




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Thank you Jeff!

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 11:57 PM J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Hi peace-discuss,
>
> I thought you might want to read the notes I prepared for News from
> Neptune
> and AWARE on the Air discussion. I understand Carl posts them around but
> has been having some trouble with the URLs so hopefully the URLs should
> work for you from this copy.
>
>
>
>
>
> Recommended 2-part video series: "On Contact" with Chris Hedges -- Hedges
> interviews Distinguished Professor of Anthropology David Harvey who wrote
> many books including "A Brief History of Neoliberalism". The 2-part
> interview is called "A critic of Neoliberalism".
>
> A Brief History of Neoliberalism book:
>
>
> http://www.cmecc.com/uploads/%E8%AF%BE%E6%9C%AC%E5%92%8C%E8%AE%BA%E6%96%87/%5B9%5D%5B%E5%A4%A7%E5%8D%AB%E5%93%88%E7%BB%B4%5D.David.Harvey.(2005).A.Brief.History.of.Neoliberalism.pdf
>
> Interview:
>
> Part 1 of 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-YO5EROH-I
>
> Part 2 of 2: due out on YouTube on 2018-11-18 check
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLagVUKF7CUTRiG64CklL1AN0mbmNaETfp
> for the URL to that episode.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Protesters have no time for objecting to war?
>
> Protest time to keep Jeff Sessions, no protest time to challenge US
> imperialism? Who benefits from those priorities?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOK-2c68pYo -- a very worthwhile segment
> critically placing the Democrats into context: pro-FBI, pro-Jeff Sessions
> (even when not that long ago they objected to him), pro-CIA,
> pro-Russiagate, and pro-war through their silence -- there are no protests
> against the many wars the US is in.
>
> The segment interview with Walter Smolarek of ANSWER Coalition is worth
> considering -- who benefits from these protests and the noticeable silence
> regarding US imperialism?
>
> I think this is reflective of my concerns about the Trump Derangement
> Syndrome driving corporate TV these days: it's curious that there's so
> much
> room for such a narrow band of critique against Pres. Trump which never
> brings up his war criminality or compares what he said on the campaign
> trail about war (such as rightly pointing out how badly the invasion and
> occupation of Iraq went for the US and the Iraqis) versus what he does in
> office (continue that occupation).
>
> The complaints against Trump still focus on his weight, his hairdo, his
> skin tone, the fit of his suits, and his namecalling. His policies have
> been a big miss recently as those who railed against US immigration policy
> used pictures of children in cages taken during Obama's administration
> (and
> these complainers can't bear to bring up the continuity of policy because
> that would interfere with making a personal example out of Trump and
> reinforcing the lie that if we could oust Trump from the presidency we'd
> somehow be better off).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> War: Defense contractors still see a boom time under Democratic Party House
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlveZE_kr80 -- The Washington Post
> reports
> that weapons contractors will still make lots of money.
>
>  From
>
> https://www.postguam.com/business/defense-contractors-unfazed-by-democratic-gains/article_77b30764-e3f0-11e8-8607-cf9c7b51c0bc.html
> which is a copy of
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/08/defense-contractors-unfazed-by-democratic-gains-republican-deficit-hawks-lose-influence/
>
> > The companies that make jets, bombs and aircraft carriers for the U.S.
> > military are telling investors that the defense business still will be
> > booming under a Democrat-controlled House of Representatives, even as a
> > split Congress threatens a return to partisan gridlock.
> >
> > The reason, one defense executive said, is that the Democratic takeover
> > of the House could weaken Republican deficit hawks in Congress at a
> > time when their influence is already diminished.
> >
> > "One concern that we did have was relative to deficit hawks," Raytheon
> > chief executive Thomas Kennedy said at the Robert W. Baird Industrial
> > Conference in Chicago. "And it turns out that ... most of the deficit
> > hawks were in the House and on the Republican side."
> >
> > He went on to say the Democratic takeover "changes the equation"
> > relative to conversations around the national debt.
> >
> > "The environment is actually nice now because it's settled. We know
> > exactly what it is," Kennedy said. "The uncertainty has been taken out,
> > and we know that we don't have this issue with the deficit hawks moving
> > forward. So we're actually very very optimistic."
> >
> > House Republicans lost a number of deficit-minded representatives.
> > Virginia Rep. Dave Brat and Texas Rep. Pete Sessions, who both pushed a
> > constitutional amendment requiring Congress to pass a balanced budget
> > every year, narrowly lost to their Democratic opponents. Deficit hawks
> > already had been marginalized in the Republican Party, with just a
> > single Republican representative opposing the GOP tax bill over budget
> > issues.
> >
> > Investment analysts studying the defense industry appear to largely
> > agree with Kennedy. >
> > In a Wednesday morning note to investors entitled "It's always a party,
> > regardless of party," Jefferies investment analyst Sheila Kahyaoglu
> > noted the 2006 midterm election, in which Democrats seized the House at
> > the height of the U.S. war in Iraq. Defense companies' share prices
> > climbed an average of 18 percent during that year.
>
> Max Keiser comments on this article:
>
> > Raytheon [quoted in the Washington Post article] is the middle man
> > between the outright Pentagon-run media outlet MSNBC. The second point
> > there is a good one: the Democrats are really the war party because they
> > believe in infinite deficits, right? Whereas the Republicans at least
> > make a nodding reference to the fact that you need to balance the books
> > and maybe it's a waste of money; they have a concept of hard money,
> > occasionally which serves them well. Whereas the Democrats are all
> > about 'there is no such thing as a limit to the amount of money we can
> > print' and that extends to the war machine and that's why Hillary
> > Clinton is a warmonger and the Democrats are easily conned into spending
> > trillions of dollars and the defense industry and why [when] they
> > control the House defense stocks went up! I mean is there any clearer
> > indication that the Democrats are the party of war?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> War: Inadvertently published Pentagon documents expose US hand in Yemen
> exposé
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5RkNOAU0U -- the US pledged support for
> Saudi Arabia (SA) even as news arrived that Yemen was experiencing the
> worst humanitarian crisis.
>
> A document describing an operation called "YOUKON JOURNEY" was
> unintentionally published online and confirmed that this was occuring in
> Yemen and thus continuing US support for SA. This document puts into
> context US claims of no longer fueling SA-led attacks in Yemen.
>
> With one exception for mid-air refueling, the US won't stop backing SA and
> never had any real intent to, despite public relations to the contrary.
> Mid-air refueling from the US might stop but only because SA says it can
> do
> this without the US. That's not an anti-war or even anti-war-in-Yemen
> measure.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> War: Israel ceasefire?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar310zyBXKs -- Israel bombed Gaza TV
> station Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas-run TV) just before Al-Aqsa was due to broadcast
> footage of a bus bombing where an Israeli soldier was on board, and Israel
> reaches a ceasefire in Gaza as Hamas agrees to stop demonstrating. Over
> the
> last 6 months IDF has killed over 150 Palestinians there.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Monsanto influenced the Canadian government to approve glyphosate a couple
> of years ago with studies written by Monsanto (now owned by Bayer)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMH-dphxV3g -- Health Canada learned that
> Monsanto used misrepresented studies indicating glyphosate is safe.
> Canadian authorities are now reviewing Monsanto's glyphosate application.
>
> It's a bit like VP Cheney pushing for the 2003 invasion of Iraq by feeding
> propaganda to the New York Times to be published without sources then
> going
> on the Sunday morning chat shows and making fraudulent claims backed by
> saying something akin to 'if you don't believe me, just read the Times'.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Russiagate: House Democrats will launch 85 investigations of Pres. Trump
> and (including Russian "collusion") demand his tax returns. None of which
> will address why he was duly elected, the accelerating economic
> inequality,
> or end US wars.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efrdTnJOkKI -- Democrats continue to show
> that they have no serious message the public can get behind (such as fully
> supporting Medicare for All, a national jobs program, ending wars, etc.).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Identity politics alive and well in media including self-identified
> "alternative" news media
>
> Identity politics continues and claims support from another formerly
> reliable commentator: Laura Flanders is down with identity politics too.
>
> https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/11/10/wtf-white-women -- Laura
> Flanders asks "WTF White Women?" -- why did so many white women not vote
> for a black Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams.
>
> Laura Flanders wrote:
>
> > 2016 was bad. 2018 was worse. While fifty-two percent of white women
> > voted for Donald Trump and Mike Pence in 2016, in 2018, seventy-six
> > percent of white women voted for Brian Kemp.
> >
> > This Tuesday, seventy-six percent of white female voters in Georgia cast
> > their ballots against Stacey Abrams becoming this nation’s first black
> > female governor. Fifty-nine percent in Texas voted for Republican Ted
> > Cruz against Latino Democrat Beto O’Rourke. Fifty-one percent opposed
> > Andrew Gillum becoming the first African American governor of the
> > Sunshine State.
> >
> > White women rained all over that new day dawning. Did they vote on the
> > issues? Statistically, there aren’t enough anti-choice, anti-healthcare,
> > anti-minimum wage, gun-mad voters out there to blame just conservative
> > women.
> >
> > So white women are either stupid or spoiled. I say spoiled.
> >
> > We reap plenty of spoils from white supremacy. To name a few: we get to
> > be race-less, sexy, vulnerable and at least relatively safe.
>
> The rest of the article is a list of the advantages white women have over
> non-white women and ends with:
>
> > So what the hell, white women? Talk. Not too loudly, or everywhere, all
> > the time, or remorsefully to your one girlfriend-of-color, but to me, or
> > a white woman like me.
> >
> > We don’t want 2020 to roll around and wish that one hundred years ago
> > we’d never given white women the vote.
>
> Perhaps Flanders missed
>
> https://www.blackagendareport.com/how-stupid-do-stacey-abrams-lucy-mcbath-and-most-progressive-democrat-congressional-candidates
> where the vague 'vote for her because she will somehow make things better
> for non-white women' is put into context:
>
> Bruce A. Dixon wrote:
>
> > Stacey Abrams wants to be president, and Georgia governor is one of the
> > checkmarks on the way there, and election to governor will immediately
> > put her on the short list of contenders. She lays that out quite clearly
> > in her latest book Minority Leader How to Lead From the Outside and Make
> > Real Change. It’s a memoir-centered self-help book, an
> > I-did-it-you-can-do-it-too kind of thing with checklists at the end of
> > every chapter. The “it” she talks about in the book is achieving power,
> > but for all her deep understanding of how to maneuver to obtain this
> > power Stacey offers very few if any clues about what great things she
> > wants to do with that power.
> >
> > We’ve seen that movie before though haven’t we? Didn’t we just finish
> > eight years of an unaccountable black president presiding over the
> > greatest loss of black family wealth since we started keeping statistics
> > on it? Didn’t we just see three million American families lose their
> > homes? Didn’t we hear Eric Holder, the first black attorney general tell
> > us the banks to were too big to jail and too important to investigate,
> > and didn’t we see Loretta Lynch the second black attorney general
> > literally write the fine print on get out of jail free cards for
> > CitiGroup and other criminal investors who walked away with billions.
> > We’ve lived to see a black president break his word on raising the
> > minimum wage and delivering single payer health care? The first black
> > president blockaded and bombed all the countries the white presidents
> > before him [had] blockaded and bombed and added a few new ones, including
> > the actual overthrow of a prosperous African country, where black
> > Libyans and other Africans are being traded as slaves right now. Didn’t
> > we see the first black president expand fracking around the world,
> > privatize big chunks of public education, and let all the torturers and
> > kidnappers on the US payroll off the hook?
>
> It's not clear what Abrams offered Georgia residents as governor other
> than
> 'vote for her because she's black and a woman'.
>
> By this reasoning, if Condoleeza Rice ran for US President she'd be a
> shoo-in despite her political record (just like Hillary Clinton was
> supposed to have been a shoo-in, right?). We were supposed to choose
> between voting for Mrs. Clinton or being a misogynist, after all. A vote
> for Jill Stein also somehow qualified as misogyny in the insane identity
> politics false dichotomy.
>
>
>
>
> Democracy Now reaffirms commitment to Trump Derangement Syndrome and
> impeaching Trump with no analysis of what that means should this be a step
> on the road toward getting Trump out of office before the end of his term.
>
>  From
>
> https://www.democracynow.org/2018/11/9/rashida_tlaib_on_impeaching_trump_occupied
> -- an interview with Rashida Tlaib, newly-elected Congressional
> representative from Minnesota:
>
> > AMY GOODMAN: Will you try to impeach President Trump?
> >
> > REP.-ELECT RASHIDA TLAIB: Yes. I truly believe that he’s obstructing
> > justice. It is very clear that something is wrong within our own
> > government. You can like the man, but I could tell you, I know you like
> > the rule of law more. And in America, there is laws that we all follow,
> > that we all should equally be held accountable to. And I can tell you
> > very strongly that this is not political for me. I mean, he could be a
> > Democratic president, and I would still say the same thing: obstruction
> > of justice.
> >
> > And as an attorney myself, I can tell you, when we start kind of turning
> > our heads and letting little bit of things slip by, like what we’ve seen
> > the last few days, we are jeopardizing our own democracy. We are
> > jeopardizing that accountability and that balance of government that’s
> > there, that is so critical for us to live in a free country. We cannot
> > allow him to taint this process, that’s there for a reason. And I’m very
> > much willing to start investigating and leaning towards that, if he has
> > anything to do with obstructing justice. And it pretty much sounds like
> > he is trying to sway this investigation and trying to make sure that he
> > protects himself instead of protecting our own country.
>
> It's not clear how this is meant to benefit the country in any practical
> sense such as alleviating crushing debt, reallocating federal
> discretionary
> spending toward programs of social value that would create living wage
> jobs, ending homelessness, stopping the drug war, or passing Medicare for
> All into law.
>
> It strikes me as a step toward getting Trump out of office earlier than
> the
> end of a term and pushing VP Pence into office. But there's no analysis of
> the practical consequences of this. No challenge to the Democrats'
> pro-war,
> pro-big bank, pro-corporate policies that good-cop/bad-cop the US into
> another round of discouraging voters (most voters identify as independent
> now, not siding with a party). The Democrats appear to me to continue to
> push the message "we're not with Trump" which is not a policy. The
> accusations leading up to this (such as Russiagate) have had years and
> gone
> nowhere. Meanwhile Americans are no better off economically but we've got
> trillions for killing people.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What does that Jim Acosta kerfuffle really mean? And why are we hearing
> about the hypocritical reaction to this kerfuffle from RT & Fox News but
> not from Democracy Now?
>
> Comparison between RT and DemocracyNow.org's coverage of the kerfuffle
> between Pres. Trump and Jim Acosta. DN does not come out looking good.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwUW0qywCy0 -- RT's coverage, part of "In
> Question" a new news program from RT's Anya Parampil. She and RT's Afshin
> Rattansi and former UK MP George Galloway cover this issue well, putting
> things in perspective including quickly dismissing the distractive alleged
> 'touching a woman's hand' non-event, and hypocritical reaction from
> establishment journalism getting all worked up about pulling Acosta's
> White
> House credentials. Other CNN people are apparently free to visit the White
> House to replace him but RT's entire staff lost their credentials and were
> selected to be forced to register under FARA (Foreign Agents Registration
> Act), including RT US staff. This stands in sharp contrast to other
> state-funded foreign news organizations including the BBC (British) and
> CBC
> (Canadian) who have not been so compelled. Many RT programs now carry a
> notice saying that a transcript of that program is on file with the US
> Government (see any recent episode of "On Contact with Chris Hedges" or
> "Redacted Tonight" for examples). Virtually everybody in the establishment
> media (and Democracy Now) were silent about about RT's mistreatment.
>
> If DN is going to give the same perspective as the establishment media
> outlets and the same silence to important civil liberties issues as
> establishment media outlets, how alternative can DN be?
>
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TSwjgG0Shs -- There's very selective
> support for who is allowed to report among news organizations. Few want to
> talk about RT's Capitol credentials being pulled in the same context as
> they want to talk about CNN's Jim Acosta's kerfuffle. They want to frame
> Acosta's denial of access as a 1st Amendment issue or at the very least
> very troubling for all journalists. But silence about RT (this includes
> Democracy Now which reported that RT's access was revoked but offered no
> analysis and no explanation of how troubling this should be for all
> journalists).
>
> Tucker Carlson was one of the few exceptions to this; he mentioned the
> hypocrisy on his Fox News program:
>
> > Now CNN is claiming to defend free speech. Only when it's their speech.
> > You'll notice, by the way, that CNN did not object when the government
> > threatened to imprison employees of the cable channel RT if they didn't
> > register as foreign agents. Yes, RT is owned by a foreign government.
> > So is the BBC. Until last year much of the New York Times was owned by
> > a foreign national. This is true of other news organizations, none of
> > which has ever registered as a foreign agent.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good voting policy isn't designed to and won't change social, economic
> policies
>
> Ranked voting, same-day registration, and other election changes are nice
> and worth defending in order to increase the chances we'll hear from
> political candidates other than those from the major corporate parties.
> But
> we should be clear about what you expect to gain from such electoral
> changes. These changes won't clearly address corporate control over
> government nor will these changes give the electorate candidates one can
> justify voting for.
>
>
> https://theintercept.com/2018/11/07/the-remarkable-participation-and-efficiency-of-brazils-elections-proves-how-shameful-and-deliberate-is-the-chaos-and-suppression-in-the-u-s/
> -- Glenn Greenwald's latest on the Brazilian election which is probably
> better in any quantifiable way to the US election system (a run-off
> election, a clear "none of the candidates" voting choice, requiring voting
> but accepting a blank ballot as a valid ballot, same-day results based on
> counting as one goes, no stories like being "turned away from voting
> booths, rampant technological malfunctions, and vote counts that linger
> for
> weeks with no certain outcome" which recur every 2 years in the US with no
> substantive improvement to the system).
>
> But they didn't stop Bolsonaro who so pleased the capitalist class that
> the
> Wall St. Journal endorsed him[1] and investments shot up on the news he
> had
> been duly elected.
>
> [1] See Redacted Tonight's take on this in
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQwZt8ZQTXI and a snippet from "The
> Corporation" on the history of businesses working with "official enemies
> [...], terrorists, tyrants, and despotic regimes" in
>
> https://files.digitalcitizen.info/corporations-prop-up-fascists/the-corporation-nazi-germany.webm
>
> As Greenwald points out, Brazil's election system is not capable of fixing
> economic problems such as an enormous gap between the wealthy and the poor
> that apparently spur people to vote for a candidate such as Jair Bolsonaro
> despite being designed to grant voters a chance to get to the polls and
> vote:
>
> > Then, there’s the issue of voter participation. Voting is legally
> > mandatory in Brazil: Every citizen over the age of 16 is automatically
> > eligible to vote, and those over 18 are required to do so, facing a
> > trivial fine for failing to do so (absent a valid justification). They
> > are free to vote for “none of the candidates” or leave their ballot
> > blank, but it is a legal duty. Still, in the last election, roughly 20
> > percent of voters violated that law and abstained from voting. But that
> > means that 80 percent of the adult population voted — a far higher
> > participation rate than any election in the U.S.
> >
> > That’s because everything about the structure of Brazil’s election
> > system, set forth in the 1989 constitution it enacted after it exited
> > its military dictatorship, is designed to maximize, not suppress, voter
> > participation. All citizens are automatically registered. Voting is
> > mandatory. The elections are held on Sunday, ensuring that working
> > people have the fewest barriers to voting, instead of in the middle of
> > the week. Machine voting is uniform throughout the country’s 27 states.
> >
> > Brazil generally, and its politics specifically, is plagued with
> > countless grave problems, as I’ve reported on over the last several
> > years. It’s a country beset by a convergence of hideous political,
> > social, and economic crises caused by a broken ruling class, all
> > exacerbated by severe wealth inequality.
> >
> > But that’s the point. If Brazil — an extremely young democracy with far
> > less wealth than the U.S. and intense political, economic, and social
> > pathologies — can hold basically efficient, seamless, fast, vibrantly
> > participatory, and smooth national elections on a massive scale, as it
> > did twice last month, then so, obviously, could the U.S.
>
> Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15Mp_5CfE0 -- Does the US have
> the worst voting system in the world? Possibly but it's that bad by
> design,
> not by accident.
>
>
>
>
>
> War funding
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogsC-SDJLyQ -- Millions of US taxpayer
> money in Syria is being funneled to Al-Qaeda, claims Joint Inspector
> General Report on "Operation Inherent Resolve":
>
>
> https://media.defense.gov/2018/Nov/05/2002059226/-1/-1/1/FY2019_LIG_OCO_OIR_Q4_SEP2018.PDF
>
> > Since late 2017, USAID [U.S. Agency for International Development] OIG
> > investigations have uncovered numerous instances of possible or
> > confirmed diversions to armed groups in Idlib Governorate in
> > northwestern Syria, including Ha’yat Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS), a designated
> > Foreign Terrorist Organization.
> >
> > One investigation found that an NGO’s employees knowingly diverted
> > thousands of USAID- funded food kits worth millions of dollars to
> > ineligible beneficiaries (including HTS fighters) and submitted
> > falsified beneficiary lists. The investigation resulted in USAID
> > suspending the program and the NGO terminating the employment of dozens
> > of individuals from March to May 2018.
>
> Vanessa Beeley, independent journalist to RT
>
> > What is very interesting in this report is that the USAID watchdog does
> > not name the NGOs. Now, of course, one of those primary NGOs will be
> > the White Helmets probably one of the most promoted, supported, and
> > iconized NGO entities working on the ground in Syria basically providing
> > the propaganda and corroboration of the regime change foreign policy.
> > Surely the US should, first of all, be lifting its economic sanctions
> > and it should then be, if it's necessary, be collaborating with the
> > Syrian government to provide aid to where it's most needed. Of course I
> > don't expect this to happen.
>
> Breitbart's report pointed out:
>
> > Several analysts have determined that the al-Qaeda branch in Syria is
> > the terrorist group’s most robust[1] wing.
>
> [1]
>
> https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/07/13/house-witnesses-al-qaeda-is-strongest-in-syria-where-it-could-incorporate-failing-islamic-state/
>
> This means, as RT's report pointed out, US taxpayers have spent trillions
> of dollars in the post-9/11 so-called "war on terror" in order to stop
> Al-Qaeda. But it appears that US taxpayers have been funding Al-Qaeda too.
> Who benefits from this? War profiteers, chiefly: weapons manufacturers,
> and
> pro-war US Congressmembers (pro-war on both sides of the aisle; Democrats
> offer no opposition on this the largest of state matters).
>
> Breitbart reported on this in
>
> https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/11/08/pentagon-report-ngos-knowingly-diverted-millions-u-s-aid-al-qaeda-group-syria/
> and so did RT. What about Democracy Now? DN has 4 stories in 2018
> featuring
> the word "USAID" according to their website's search engine results, the
> latest of which is from August 6, well before this report was
> published[1].
> So I think it's safe to say no, DN offers no coverage of this.
>
> [1] Reload https://www.democracynow.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=usaid
> to see if this has changed.
>
>
>
>
>
> Democratic Republic of Congo Ebola Outbreak
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvAkxi-aheE -- Ebola outbreak claims 198
> victims so far in 2 months in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
>
> The Congo is one of the world's major sources of metals needed for jewelry
> and computers. Those metals are worth $24 trillion. Historically this land
> has also provided slave labor to fuel the rubber trade.
>
> In the 1960s the British, US, and Belgian governments wanted the first
> elected Prime Minister of an independent Democratic Republic of the Congo,
> Patrice Émery Lumumba, a pan-Africanist, killed because he was going to
> get
> aid from Russia (then the Soviet Union). Lumumba asked the US and UN for
> help to suppress Katangan secessionists backed by Belgium, neither helped.
> US President Eisenhower ordered Lumumba's murder and it appears there was
> considerable effort put into this: the CIA had a plot to poison Lumumba
> with his toothpaste, another CIA plot to shoot Lumumba (revealed in the
> 1975 Church Committee), and CIA Chief Allen Dulles (the man for whom
> Dulles
> airport is named) ordered Lumumba's assassination and allocated $100,000
> for the effort. CIA documents released later would reveal that Lumumba's
> Congolese enemies who would kill him (including Mobutu Sese Seko, once
> Lumumba's personal aide, and Joseph Kasa-Vubu, once President of the
> Republic of the Congo) received money and weapons from the CIA. In January
> 1961 Lumumba was killed.
>
> See Ludo de Witte's book "The Assassination of Lumumba" for the definitive
> work on this matter.
>
>
>
>
>
> Another interesting note on Democracy Now's reluctance to critically
> examine the Democratic Party: Newly elected Rep. Ocasio-Cortez backed some
> young climate activists conducting a sit-in in Rep. Pelosi's DC office
> demanding that "the Democrats back a 'Green New Deal'".
>
>
> https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/pelosi-and-dem-leadership-we-won-you-the-house-now-we-demand-a-real-climate-plan?nowrapper=true&referrer=&source=
> has a copy of their petition:
>
> > 1. Champion a Green New Deal that would create millions of good jobs to
> > transform society over the next decade to stop climate change. This
> > means creating a committee tasked specifically to write policy on
> > creating jobs and moving our country off fossil fuels over the
> > designated 12 years that the IPCC has given us. Let’s protect the lives
> > of all working people -- black, brown, and white -- from the ravages of
> > disaster and pollution.
> >
> > 2. Mandate that any Democrat in leadership must take the No Fossil Fuel
> > Money pledge and reject campaign contributions from fossil fuel
> > executives and lobbyists and prioritize the health of people and planet
> > over industry profits. Oil and gas executives profit off a business
> > model that's incompatible with the future of human civilization. It's
> > time for the Democratic Party to reject their influence wholesale.
> >
> > A rising generation of young people of all backgrounds just helped flip
> > the House with a record turnout. We will no longer tolerate empty
> > promises and words without action. We’re not expecting miracles -- we
> > understand that the GOP is corrupted by dirty oil money and will stall
> > us at every turn. We know that sweeping change isn’t possible until
> > Trump is gone -- but we need to start laying the groundwork and put
> > forward our vision for America now.
>
> We'll see where this goes but any real examination of this has to focus on
> where the House Democrats get their campaign money.
>
> RT's coverage about this -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfYJZ1-LBLE
> --
> is differently shameful. The host and guests all seem to side with
> corporate power. None challenge the idea that finding the money for
> Medicare for All is not an issue. We're already paying HMOs more than
> Medicare for All would cost and we can't keep up with HMO greed. We're
> apparently okay with the euphemistically-named Defense Department losing
> track of trillions of dollars (covered in a previous notes filing). That's
> enough money to buy out the HMOs at market value ($300-$800B according to
> estimates I heard on Ralph Nader's radio show) thus eliminating the only
> organized opposition to Medicare for All. There's also cutting the
> military
> budget in half and spending money on programs the US needs. The issue
> facing Democratic Party supporters is their allegiance to their corporate
> funding base. Democrats have not gone along with Medicare for All. We've
> seen what the Democrats did when they have a Democratic Party president
> and
> control of Congress -- they did not bring HR676 (Medicare for All) and up
> for a vote. We got the ACA ("ObamaCare" nee RomneyCare) which keeps the
> HMOs in charge. But they kept the wars going, escalating invasions and
> killing just like their Republican counterparts do. Funny how there's
> never
> any question of money for that.
>
> Democracy Now mentioned this protest but there's no analysis examining how
> this puts Democrats in a pickle: should one recognize that Democrats
> aren't
> supporting these policy choices or continue to support that party despite
> their corporatism?
>
> DN does not report closely on stories that make the Democratic Party look
> bad. DN had nothing to say about the DNC lawsuit filed by Bernie Sanders
> supporters. This was a major break for the Democratic Party in which that
> party lost people who apparently cost Hillary Clinton the presidency (a
> major decline in Democratic Party voting came from those who had
> previously
> voted for Obama). The DNC Corporation's lawyer Bruce Spiva told us that
> the
> Democratic Party owes nobody a fair primary process:
>
> http://jampac.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/042517cw2.pdf page 25:
>
> > [I]f you had a charity where somebody said, Hey, I'm gonna take this
> > money and use it for a specific purpose, X, and they pocketed it and
> > stole the money, of course that's different. But here, where you have a
> > party that's saying, We're gonna, you know, choose our standard bearer,
> > and we're gonna follow these general rules of the road, which we are
> > voluntarily deciding, we could have — and we could have voluntarily
> > decided that, Look, we're gonna go into back rooms like they used to and
> > smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That's not the way it was
> > done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right,
> > and it would drag the Court well into party politics, internal party
> > politics to answer those questions.
>
> This wasn't news to anyone but it puts a fine point on how party primaries
> actually work.
>
> As Boss Tweed told us, "I don't care who does the electing, so long as I
> get to do the nominating.".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Exploitation: Richard Wolff: New York and Virginia are paying more than
> half the cost to have Amazon add about 2,500 jobs to New York.
>
> http://www.fox5ny.com/news/48k-per-amazon-hq-job -- New York taxpayers to
> pay $48,000 per Amazon HQ job...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TATrsC8mX_k
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTth4Rb25H4 -- ...and this will also
> include a helipad. Part of the deal contract:
>
> > The Public Parties recognize that the Company [Amazon] needs access
> > to the Development Sites and agree to assist in securing access to a
> > helipad on the Development Sites, as part of the Development Plan and
> > subject to FAA approval.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TATrsC8mX_k is part 1 of the story
> including the odd offers governors offered if Amazon set up their HQ in
> their state, and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTth4Rb25H4 is part 2
> where Richard Wolff pointed out how little this benefits New York:
>
> > This is a shocking display. What they are calling a government-private
> > partnership is nothing of the sort. It's a public subsidy to Amazon.
> > The New York Times reported $5 billion in this project will be invested
> > by Amazon. $5.5 billion dollars will be invested by New York and
> > Virginia. That is a subsidy of over 50% of the cost of this project. We
> > the taxpayers will be either paying higher taxes to fund this private
> > company, among the richest in the world, or, if we don't get our taxes
> > raised, the government will deliver fewer services to us because it has
> > given this enormous subsidy to a company. $5 billion from Virginia and
> > New York where Mr. Bezos, the owner of Amazon, is himself the owner of
> > $160 billion. He didn't need it, the company doesn't need it. We are
> > being asked to subsidize. All of the profits will go to the private
> > companies and their shareholders. We, the public, will be funding more
> > than half of this project. Shame is what Mr. DeBlasio ought to feel
> > rather than posing in the PR as if he has delivered something. [...]
> >
> > The projected number of jobs in the New York area from this is 2,500.
> > That's a very small number and will have no effect on the unemployment
> > problem of this city [New York City] it's just too small and that's not
> > a surprise [...] because the kind of work Amazon does is highly
> > automated; it uses machines for 90% of what it does. And half of the
> > people it's likely to have working in New York will be brought in from
> > other parts of the Amazon empire.
>
> I realize that Wolff's figures don't all agree with what's been publicized
> elsewhere but it's hard for me to criticize Wolff's figures too much. I've
> seen 25,000 new Amazon jobs spoken of as an estimate by Amazon:
>
>  From
>
> https://blog.aboutamazon.com/company-news/amazon-selects-new-york-city-and-northern-virginia-for-new-headquarters
>
> > Amazon will invest $5 billion and create more than 50,000 jobs across
> > the two new headquarters locations, with more than 25,000 employees each
> > in New York City and Arlington.
>
> which is 10X as many jobs as Wolff mentioned, but since none of the jobs
> have materialized I'm not willing to give credit to Amazon for having met
> that 10X higher estimate (which is what really counts) or critique the
> estimate all that much. Perhaps we should ask Wisconsin residents how they
> like those 3,000 to 13,000 Foxconn jobs.
>
> Sometimes big companies take advantage of the towns in which they locate,
> so it's reasonable to be skeptical. Walmart famously moved one of their
> stores a short distance from its previous location to avoid paying full
> taxes to the town in which they originally built a store. In 1992 Walmart
> received a $1.8 million infrastructure tax subsidy to place a store in
> Cathedral City, California. Walmart built the store and ran it until the
> tax subsidy ran out. When the city was about to receive all of the tax
> revenue Walmart would have had to pay Walmart moved from E. Ramon Road
> (near Route 111) to just outside city limits to the corner of McCallum Way
> & Date Palm Drive--just outside city limits but not far enough to
> discourage customers from going to the new location 2.2 miles from where
> the store used to be.
>
> Walmart has a history of receiving tax subsidies for its stores.
> https://www.goodjobsfirst.org/sites/default/files/docs/pdf/wmtstudy.pdf
> has
> a list of many of them.
>
> According to the New York Times
> (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/opinion/new-yorks-amazon-deal.html)
> Amazon will lease office space in the Citigroup building and "develop a
> four-million-square-foot campus by the East River". I don't know if Amazon
> will leave when benefits run out (perhaps not because New York City offers
> access to nationally powerful people with whom Amazon might want in-person
> meetings) but I take the Walmart in Cathedral City story to be more
> broadly
> applicable than leaving town--taxpayer-funded subsidies can and will be
> taken advantage of when cities and states are as craven as New York's
> governor Andrew Cuomo was claiming he'd change his name to "Amazon" if it
> would help bring the company there. The New York deal doesn't appear to
> have any expectation of performance margins (Amazon gets so much money if
> they hire so many people, or hire so many New York state residents).
>
> The second new headquarters for Amazon will be in Crystal City, Virginia
> in
> Arlington county. That deal reportedly includes language that will allow
> Amazon to be forewarned by at least 2 business days written notice about
> any pending Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request and, "seek a
> protective order or other appropriate remedy" when a FOIA request compels
> Amazon to produce information.
>
> What's so special about this Virginia location? It's near to powerful
> regulators so corruption is easier to carry out --
> https://twitter.com/PaulBlu/status/1062404457407877121
>
> > Making friends in high places
> >
> > Given Amazon's prominence as a technological powerhouse, access to key
> > stakeholders - including regulators, federal government clients, and
> > think tanks - in Washington, D.C. will drive significant value for the
> > company.
> >
> > As Amazon is poised to drive its business in a number of areas that will
> > require complex federal regulatory oversight, proximity to key
> > stakeholders, including the Federal Aviation Administration, the
> > Federal Trade Commission, the Federal Communications Commission, the
> > Food and Drug Administration, and congressional committee leadership,
> > will prove vital.
>
> See https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr5rLQ8XgAACDZD.jpg for the screengrab.
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.geekwire.com/2018/new-yorkers-protest-amazon-hq2-investing-housing-not-helicopters/
> -- protests against Amazon.
>
> Shawn Dixon, small business owner near where Amazon's new New York
> facility
> will be built:
>
> > We’re worried about our ability to stay in the neighborhood. I’m not
> > against growth and I’m not against Amazon but what I’m against is giving
> > away all this money to one of the richest companies in the world when
> > our schools are underfunded, we don’t have schools in this neighborhood,
> > the trains don’t run here, and small business owners have no
> > protections.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Irony alert: Apple wins anti-slavery award
>
> https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/14/apple-stop-slavery-award/ -- I'm not
> making this up:
>
> > Apple retail chief Angela Ahrendts today accepted the Thomson Reuters
> > Foundation's Stop Slavery Award on behalf of Apple at the Trust
> > Conference, an annual human rights gathering.
>
> Let's remember that Apple is one of the reasons Foxconn set up what are
> known as "suicide nets" mounted outside its sweatshop labor factories. So
> many workers were committing suicide by jumping to their death from their
> workspace in Foxconn's buildings that Foxconn and Apple took bad press for
> the deaths. Their response? Substantially improving working conditions and
> pay? No. Install nets outside the factory building in order to reduce the
> velocity of the falling workers before they become corpses and possibly
> prevent them from dying.
>
>  From
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/sep/13/cost-iphone-5-foxconn-factory
> where an undercover reporter joined the workforce making iThings:
>
> > Dormitories smell of rubbish, sweat and foam, and the reporter wrote of
> > cockroaches in the wardrobes and dirty bedsheets. chinalaborwatch.org
> > reports at least 18 suicides at Foxconn plants in two years, and as a
> > result dorm windows have been barred, which gives the impression of a
> > prison. The various facilities include a gym, canteen, hospital, library
> > and playground, which Wang claims are under-resourced or rundown.
>
>
> More on worker conditions:
>
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/95395223/Sweatshops-Are-Good-for-Apple-and-Foxconn-But-Not-for-Workers
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/sep/13/cost-iphone-5-foxconn-factory
>
> http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/09/12/838341/foxconn-student-workers/
>
> Apple's sweatshops at Pegatron are even worse than at Foxconn according to
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/29/apple-investugates-claims-china-factory
>
> As Richard Stallman pointed out:
>
> > Just because you're not pregnant, should that make it ok to require you
> > to work 11 hours a day, 6 days a week? Apple is culpable if its products
> > are made by people working a longer workweek than is allowed in the US.
>
> Apple was rightfully criticized for continuing their worker abuse
> according
> to
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/19/apple-under-fire-again-for-working-conditions-at-chinese-factories
>
> I don't know of any reports which indicate significant improvement for
> Foxconn or Pegatron's workforce. As far as I know things are more or less
> as they were.
>
> Related: https://libcom.org/blog/xulizhi-foxconn-suicide-poetry -- The
> poetry and brief life of a Foxconn worker: Xu Lizhi (1990-2014)
>
> 《我就那样站着入睡》
> "I Fall Asleep, Just Standing Like That"
>
> 眼前的纸张微微发黄
> The paper before my eyes fades yellow
>
> 我用钢笔在上面凿下深浅不一的黑
> With a steel pen I chisel on it uneven black
>
> 里面盛满打工的词汇
> Full of working words
>
> 车间，流水线，机台，上岗证，加班，薪水……
> Workshop, assembly line, machine, work card, overtime, wages...
>
> 我被它们治得服服贴贴
> They've trained me to become docile
>
> 我不会呐喊，不会反抗
> Don't know how to shout or rebel
>
> 不会控诉，不会埋怨
> How to complain or denounce
>
> 只默默地承受着疲惫
> Only how to silently suffer exhaustion
>
> 驻足时光之初
> When I first set foot in this place
>
> 我只盼望每月十号那张灰色的薪资单
> I hoped only for that grey pay slip on the tenth of each month
>
> 赐我以迟到的安慰
> To grant me some belated solace
>
> 为此我必须磨去棱角，磨去语言
> For this I had to grind away my corners, grind away my words
>
> 拒绝旷工，拒绝病假，拒绝事假
> Refuse to skip work, refuse sick leave, refuse leave for private reasons
>
> 拒绝迟到，拒绝早退
> Refuse to be late, refuse to leave early
>
> 流水线旁我站立如铁，双手如飞
> By the assembly line I stood straight like iron, hands like flight,
>
> 多少白天，多少黑夜
> How many days, how many nights
>
> 我就那样，站着入睡
> Did I - just like that - standing fall asleep?
>
> -- 20 August 2011
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Assange/WikiLeaks
>
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/15/us-reportedly-looking-to-prosecute-julian-assange.html
> -- (appears to be a copy of the same text also published in the Wall St.
> Journal article "U.S. Is Optimistic It Will Prosecute Assange")
>
> > The Justice Department is preparing to prosecute WikiLeaks founder
> > Julian Assange and is increasingly optimistic it will be able to get him
> > into a U.S. courtroom, according to people in Washington familiar with
> > the matter.
>
> The big change? Ecuadorian support for handing Julian Assange over to the
> US. In other words, the US couldn't do this without Ecuador's support.
>
> > Ecuador granted Assange political asylum in 2012. He has since been
> > living in the country's embassy in London.
> >
> > But last month, Ecuador's foreign minister said the country no longer
> > plans to intervene on Assange's behalf in discussions with the British
> > government about his asylum status.
> >
> > The Journal reported that U.S. prosecutors have weighed charges against
> > Assange as the prospect of getting Ecuadorean officials to turn him over
> > seem more likely.
>
> What remains true is he's a publisher who published information powerful
> people didn't like and want to scapegoat him with costing Hillary Clinton
> the 2016 US election (in truth she was a horrible candidate who had
> already
> firmly established support for neoliberalism and neoconservatism as well
> as
> losing to a candidate with a lot less political experience than her).
>
> The spineless so-called journalists don't defend him but were fine with
> publishing material from WikiLeaks (including the New York Times). Ironic
> that the recently-released movie "The Post" (Meryl Streep as Katharine
> Graham and Tom Hanks as Ben Bradlee) relies on the defense of the public
> interest and spinefulness you won't find amongst those who are heard from
> the most in the Assange case and in a related case with CNN and RT.
>
>
>
>
> -J
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Fri Nov 16 18:49:31 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 18:49:31 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Ceasefire in Gaza: A Turning Point for Hamas
	and Netanyahu
References: <93262773-6B05-44AE-BF27-5B39E646EBFB@illinois.edu>
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From: "Szoke, Ron" <r-szoke at illinois.edu<mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>>
Subject: The Ceasefire in Gaza: A Turning Point for Hamas and Netanyahu
Date: November 16, 2018

The ceasefire deal, which is meant to suppress local violence, depends on the expansion of an alliance that risks even more consequential regional violence.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-ceasefire-in-gaza-a-turning-point-for-hamas-and-netanyahu

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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Nov 17 01:08:27 2018
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:08:27 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune & AOTA discussion
 suggestions/notes
In-Reply-To: <bab6ba2d-12f3-6ccc-2f44-1c97379c8630@forestfield.org>
References: <bab6ba2d-12f3-6ccc-2f44-1c97379c8630@forestfield.org>
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News from Neptune #403
A "What else is new?" edition
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeFad6ikDwE

Links to items mentioned on the show.

World Labor Hour with David Johnson
https://www.ucimc.org/wrfu_104_5



"Striking the right tone" on Veteran's Day with Crenshaw Communications
https://crenshawcomm.com/secrets-successful-veterans-day-pr-campaign/



"The Counter-Revolution of 1776: Slave Resistance and the Origins of the 
United States of America" by Gerald Horne
ISBN: 9781479893409

Talks & Interviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C71DIrOmkBM
https://www.c-span.org/video/?322715-1/the-counter-revolution-1776-race-revolution
https://www.democracynow.org/2014/6/27/counter_revolution_of_1776_was_us

Introduction to The Counter-Revolution of 1776: Slave Resistance and the 
Origins of the United States of America:
https://libcom.org/files/Introduction%20to%20The%20Counter-Revolution%20of%201776.pdf



Danny Haiphong on "Midterm Results: the War Party Rules"
https://www.blackagendareport.com/midterm-results-war-party-rules



The New York Times on "Operation Infektion: Russian Disinformation: From 
Cold War to Kanye"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/opinion/russia-meddling-disinformation-fake-news-elections.html



Al Jazeera's "The Lobby - USA" all 4 episodes are online:
Episode 1 of 4:
URL: https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x6wisw0
Length: 48m10s

Episode 2 of 4:
URL: https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x6wiuqj
Length: 49m37s

Episode 3 of 4:
URL: https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x6wivtg
Length: 50m15s

Episode 4 of 4:
URL: https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x6wklwn
Length: 49m37s

Articles:
Parts 1 & 2: 
https://electronicintifada.net/content/watch-film-israel-lobby-didnt-want-you-see/25876

Parts 3 & 4: 
https://electronicintifada.net/content/watch-final-episodes-al-jazeera-film-us-israel-lobby/25896



Occupation of the American Mind
https://www.occupationmovie.org/

Original 84-minute version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP0-YohJR-g



Shir Hever's interviews on TheRealNews.com
https://therealnews.com/bios/shir-hever



Putin's comments from Paris on meeting with Israeli PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fASBIT4-0dY


[I think the following was intended to be the article referred to.]
Richard Eskow on "Amazon, Go Home! Billions for Working People, But Not One 
Cent For Tribute"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/11/16/amazon-go-home-billions-for-working-people-but-not-one-cent-for-tribute/




Jeffrey St. Clair on "Roaming Charges: Fire is Sweeping Our Very Streets Today"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/11/16/roaming-charges-fire-is-sweeping-our-very-streets-today/

Jeffrey St. Clair's book "The Big Heat"
https://store.counterpunch.org/product/the-big-heat/




David Swanson on "A Tale of Two Marines"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/11/16/a-tale-of-two-marines/

-J

From moboct1 at aim.com  Sat Nov 17 13:22:30 2018
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:22:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Ceasefire in Gaza: A Turning Point for
 Hamas	and Netanyahu
References: <318653109.2394328.1542460950277.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <318653109.2394328.1542460950277@mail.yahoo.com>

What 'cease fire'?  "after two days of bloody violence"--whose violence?  Sounds like Trump's quote "there are good people on both sides."  Such rhetoric tries to make it sound like the "bloody violence" is attributable to both sides, which is the way MSM parrots disinformation.  Unknowing listeners haven't a clue what the facts are.
MO'B 


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Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 12:49 pm
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Ceasefire in Gaza: A Turning Point for Hamas and Netanyahu

 From:"Szoke, Ron" <r-szoke at illinois.edu>Subject:The Ceasefire in Gaza: A Turning Point for Hamas and Netanyahu
Date:November 16, 2018 
The ceasefire deal, which is meant to suppress local violence, depends on the expansion of an alliance that risks even more consequential regional violence.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-ceasefire-in-gaza-a-turning-point-for-hamas-and-netanyahu

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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Nov 17 19:26:35 2018
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:26:35 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune & AOTA discussion
 suggestions/notes
In-Reply-To: <a51feca3-94c5-0619-d4db-a07f39be3a93@forestfield.org>
References: <bab6ba2d-12f3-6ccc-2f44-1c97379c8630@forestfield.org>
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I wrote:
> [I think the following was intended to be the article referred to.]
> Richard Eskow on "Amazon, Go Home! Billions for Working People, But Not One 
> Cent For Tribute"
> https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/11/16/amazon-go-home-billions-for-working-people-but-not-one-cent-for-tribute/ 

Correction--the article referred to is:

Pete Dolack on "“Winners” in Amazon sweepstakes sure to be the losers"
https://systemicdisorder.wordpress.com/2018/11/15/amazon-subsidies-cities-lose/

From brussel at illinois.edu  Sun Nov 18 18:51:09 2018
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 18:51:09 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Interview with W. Perry (especially) and Joseph Yun
Message-ID: <B135DFD8-714B-4344-A4FA-D5B4C17FA69A@illinois.edu>

Interesting discussion re. N.Korea, China, and Russia on nuclear issues:

https://thebulletin.org/multimedia/keynote-conversation-at-the-2018-annual-dinner/

—mkb

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From jbn at forestfield.org  Mon Nov 19 01:59:14 2018
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 19:59:14 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Chris Hedges interview with Prof. David Harvey is
	now fully online
In-Reply-To: <bab6ba2d-12f3-6ccc-2f44-1c97379c8630@forestfield.org>
References: <bab6ba2d-12f3-6ccc-2f44-1c97379c8630@forestfield.org>
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I wrote:
> Recommended 2-part video series: "On Contact" with Chris Hedges -- Hedges 
> interviews Distinguished Professor of Anthropology David Harvey who wrote 
> many books including "A Brief History of Neoliberalism". The 2-part 
> interview is called "A critic of Neoliberalism".
> 
> A Brief History of Neoliberalism book:
> 
> http://www.cmecc.com/uploads/%E8%AF%BE%E6%9C%AC%E5%92%8C%E8%AE%BA%E6%96%87/%5B9%5D%5B%E5%A4%A7%E5%8D%AB%E5%93%88%E7%BB%B4%5D.David.Harvey.(2005).A.Brief.History.of.Neoliberalism.pdf 

The interview is now fully online:

Part 1 of 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-YO5EROH-I
Part 2 of 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jVflZWGrQk


From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Mon Nov 19 20:30:00 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:30:00 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] buzzword, condescension, disingenuous
Message-ID: <15363AFD-876B-4454-BD98-8CE70BBEEF0E@illinois.edu>

Buzzwords  111918
A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics

buzzword, condescension, disingenuous

buzzword
buzz·word  (bŭz′wûrd′)  n.
An stylish or trendy word or phrase, especially when occurring in a specialized field.
— American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016

buzz•word (ˈbʌzˌwɜrd)   n.
a word or phrase, often sounding authoritative or technical, that has come into vogue in popular culture or a particular profession.
[1965–70]
— Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010

buzzword
— A word used in a particular jargon that gains a wider, fashionable, currency.
Dictionary of Unfamiliar Words by Diagram Group Copyright © 2008 by Diagram Visual Information Limited


condesension
con·de·scen·sion  (kŏn′dĭ-sĕn′shən)  n.
1. The act of condescending or an instance of it.
2. Patronizingly superior behavior or attitude.
[Late Latin condēscēnsiō, condēscēnsiōn-, from condēscēnsus, past participle of condēscendere, to condescend; see condescend.]
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016

condescension (ˌkɒndɪˈsɛnʃən)  n
the act or an instance of behaving in a patronizing way
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 ©

con•de•scen•sion (ˌkɒn dəˈsɛn ʃən)    n.
1. an act or instance of condescending.
2. behavior that is patronizing or condescending.
3. voluntary assumption of equality with a person regarded as inferior.
[1635–45; < Late Latin condēscēnsiō. See con<https://www.thefreedictionary.com/con>-, descension<https://www.thefreedictionary.com/descension>]
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010


disingenuous
dis·in·gen·u·ous (dĭs′ĭn-jĕn′yo͞o-əs)  adj.
1. Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating: "Increasingly, the question of immigration has become a disingenuous stalking-horse for race and racial hostility" (Tyler Stovall).
2. Pretending to be unaware or unsophisticated; faux-naïf.
3. Usage Problem Unaware or uninformed; naive.
dis′in·gen′u·ous·ly adv.
dis′in·gen′u·ous·ness n.
Usage Note: Disingenuous means "not ingenuous," that is, not innocent, naive, or guileless. As such it can refer to someone who is insincere or calculating, as in It is both insensitive and disingenuous for the White House to describe its aid package and the proposal to eliminate the federal payment as "tough love," or to someone who is pretending to be unsophisticated, as in "I don't have a clue about late Beethoven!" he said. The remark seemed disingenuous, coming from one of the world's foremost concert pianists. Both of these examples were accepted by 90 percent of the Usage Panel in our 2016 survey. As with many words containing prefixes that negate (dis-) or seem to negate (in-), speakers sometimes lose track of exactly what is being negated, and sometimes use disingenuous when ingenuous would be more appropriate, namely as a synonym for naive. This usage is considered an error by careful writers: in our 2016 survey, 87 percent of the Usage Panel disapproved of the phrase the disingenuous tourist who falls prey to stereotypical con artists.
— American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 23:20:45 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:20:45 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: men call Schiff, women call Pelosi
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> From: Just Foreign Policy <info at justforeignpolicy.org>
> Subject: men call Schiff, women call Pelosi
> Date: November 19, 2018 at 5:03:29 PM CST
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> Let’s ask women to call Nancy Pelosi. Let’s ask men to call Adam Schiff. 
> 
> Pelosi’s office number in San Francisco is (415) 556-4862 <tel:(415)%20556-4862>.
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> Schiff’s office number in Hollywood is (323) 315-5555 <tel:(323)%20315-5555>.
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Tue Nov 20 16:53:30 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 16:53:30 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Thankful for your activism!
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From: LAWG Staff <lfolkerts at lawg.org<mailto:lfolkerts at lawg.org>>
Subject: Thankful for your activism!
Date: November 20, 2018 at 7:02:44 AM CST
To: <r-szoke at illinois.edu<mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>>
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Tue Nov 20 17:00:18 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:00:18 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The American Dream Is Alive. In China.
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From: "Szoke, Ron" <r-szoke at illinois.edu<mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>>
Subject: NYTimes.com<http://NYTimes.com>: The American Dream Is Alive. In China.
Date: November 19, 2018 at 11:03:38 PM CST
To: "Szoke, Ron" <r-szoke at illinois.edu<mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>>

>From The New York Times:

The American Dream Is Alive. In China.

Imagine two poor 18-year-olds, one in the U.S., the other in China. Who has a better chance of success? Are you sure?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-social-mobility.html

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From ewj at pigs.ag  Tue Nov 20 22:02:00 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 06:02:00 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The American Dream Is Alive. In China.
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Out here in the perimeter there are no stars...




On Nov 21, 2018, 1:00 AM, at 1:00 AM, "Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>From: "Szoke, Ron" <r-szoke at illinois.edu<mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>>
>Subject: NYTimes.com<http://NYTimes.com>: The American Dream Is Alive.
>In China.
>Date: November 19, 2018 at 11:03:38 PM CST
>To: "Szoke, Ron" <r-szoke at illinois.edu<mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>>
>
>From The New York Times:
>
>The American Dream Is Alive. In China.
>
>Imagine two poor 18-year-olds, one in the U.S., the other in China. Who
>has a better chance of success? Are you sure?
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-social-mobility.html
>
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Wed Nov 21 17:46:58 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:46:58 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] JVP vs anonymous cyber-bullies
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From: Ari Wohlfeiler <info at jewishvoiceforpeace.org<mailto:info at jewishvoiceforpeace.org>>
Subject: JVP vs anonymous cyber-bullies
Date: November 21, 2018
Reply-To: <info at jewishvoiceforpeace.org<mailto:info at jewishvoiceforpeace.org>>


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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Wed Nov 21 19:35:21 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 19:35:21 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] This morning the White House signed an order...
Message-ID: <499BE1F4-8B38-4230-A1F4-2B65A9A17E06@illinois.edu>

Today:  A step closer to military occupation & martial law nationwide.

https://www.facebook.com/Stonekettle/posts/1955167891185271

(59) Jim Wright - This morning the White House signed an order...

This morning the White House signed an order authorizing MILITARY forces on the border to engage in law enforcement activity and the use of deadly force.

According to Military Times (hardly a bastion of liberalism), the order was signed by Chief of Staff John Kelly, not Trump -- as if that makes any difference. Via the concept of Command by Negation, if Trump as Commander in Chief does not himself countermand that order, then legally it's the same as if he signed it himself.

I warned you people.

I did.

I warned you this would happen. And when I did, a whole bunch of you started shouting "posse comitatus."

Some of you REALLY have no idea how much the United States has changed since 911, since the Patriot Act and the Protect America Act. You see it all around you, everyday, rendition of American citizens, warrantless searches, mass surveillance of US citizens by the US intelligence community, the militarization of law enforcement, and you STILL think you're living in America of old.

You're not.

I told you that these troops would be used for law enforcement, that they would be given Rules of Engagement that authorized deadly force. There's no point in sending ARMED TROOPS otherwise. If you just need somebody to sling concertina wire, put up tents, and hand out MREs, you can hire contractors for a whole lot less grief than deploying troops. If you send ARMED TROOPS, then you intend to use them. And Trump has been using VERY specific language. Invasion. Assault. TERRORISTS. Posse comitatus doesn't apply when you're talking about TERRORISM. The Constitution doesn't apply when you're talking about TERRORISM. Not since 911. Not since the Patriot Act. And we right now have a President and a Congress and a Court who believe in all the most extreme positions of this, from torture, to rendition, to militarization of law enforcement, to suspension of habeas corpus, to jailing of the press, to deadly force against whomever THEY decide might be an enemy of the state.

Do you sons of bitches believe me NOW?

Now I know what's going to happen here, you're going to tell me that the orders are limited, that deadly force is only authorized in defense of other troops and Border Patrol agents. That the law enforcement roles are limited. Posse Comitatus, you're going to say, because some of you just can't help it. Yeah, and last week the White House very specifically said the troops would have NO direct contact with either the public or immigrants and that their role would be limited to support functions ONLY. Last week the President said the Troops were being sent home. Yesterday, Trump said they'd be staying on the border and not to offer them any sympathy for being away from their families during the holidays because that's what they signed up for.

What will their role be NEXT week?

I warned you people. This is not the America you think you know. The rules have changed.
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Wed Nov 21 21:41:06 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 21:41:06 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at the
	border (Act Now)
References: <93c5-b63-5bf5c348@list.winwithoutwar.org>
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From: Mariam Iskajyan <info at winwithoutwar.org<mailto:info at winwithoutwar.org>>
Subject: BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at the border (Act Now)
Date: November 21, 2018


BREAKING NEWS: Troops at border are now authorized to use deadly force against migrants. This is illegal and we have to stop it.

[Win Without War]

Dear Ron,

This morning, news broke that the Trump administration issued an order authorizing troops at the border to use deadly force against migrants. This is not only horrifying, it violates the critical law that keeps the military completely separate from domestic law enforcement. [1]

This is one of the most dangerous things the Trump administration has ever done. Active-duty troops authorized to shoot people seeking refuge at the southern border not only terrorizes migrant families, it erodes our rule of law, and makes servicemembers political pawns. This is not just terrifying—it’s illegal and we cannot allow it to happen.

Together with our friends at CREDO Action, tens of thousands of us have taken action to demand Secretary of Defense James Mattis cancel and recall troops from the border. With today’s shameful and unprecedented news, we MUST keep the pressure on, and have our voices heard.

That’s why we’re issuing an urgent call to demand Sec. Mattis make clear that U.S. troops are not authorized to use deadly force at the border, and to bring the troops home immediately.

Sign now! Tell Sec. Mattis to make clear that U.S. troops cannot use any force against migrants. Period. Bring the troops home immediately.<https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/sec-mattis-reject-illegal-order-and-bring-troops-home?source=20181121_2&t=4&akid=2915%2E37829%2EucXQpt>

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This new order by Trump’s White House is dangerous on three fronts: it further terrorizes migrants seeking safety and refuge, it upends longstanding law, and it expands Trump’s rising authoritarianism.

The illegal order came from the White House chief of staff, John Kelly — who has no official military role. In other words, someone outside military “chain of command” is telling troops what to do. That’s deeply dangerous.

But Secretary of Defense James Mattis IS in the “chain of command.” He must use his official power to make clear that the military will not be used to violate the law. That’s why we must double down and demand louder than ever that Sec. Mattis reject any illegal or unconstitutional order, and immediately withdraw ALL troops, including the National Guard, from the border now.

Tell Sec. Mattis: Stand up for the rule of law. Reject the White House order and bring the troops home from the border NOW!<https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/sec-mattis-reject-illegal-order-and-bring-troops-home?source=20181121_2&t=6&akid=2915%2E37829%2EucXQpt>

Ron, those walking hundreds of miles in pursuit of refuge have every right to seek asylum in this country. This holiday season we are opening our doors and tables to break bread with community, because we know we are stronger when we’re united. Not only should troops be at home for the holidays, but migrants seeking refuge and sustenance should be met with welcoming arms and open hearts—not bans, walls, and deadly force. Let’s do everything we can to take a stand against hatred and state violence today.

Thank you for working for peace,

Mariam, Michelle, Erica, and the Win Without War team


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[1] Military Times, "White House approves use of force, some law enforcement roles for border troops<https://act.winwithoutwar.org/go/14706?t=9&akid=2915%2E37829%2EucXQpt>"

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From ewj at pigs.ag  Thu Nov 22 01:58:34 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 09:58:34 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at
 the border (Act Now)
In-Reply-To: <DE6F7148-6E57-45A5-9B15-EC2AE198EE48@illinois.edu>
References: <93c5-b63-5bf5c348@list.winwithoutwar.org>
 <DE6F7148-6E57-45A5-9B15-EC2AE198EE48@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <d96e18e4-2611-a018-3491-245e5690dce4@pigs.ag>

Well. the migrant caravan intent to storm the southern border of those 
Untied States is indeed best interpreted as an act of aggression by a 
organized foreign power and hence a threat to the federal authority and 
a challenge to the integrity of the border.

The only reasonable response is the exercise of deadly force with 
extreme prejudice.
If there is no consequence to violation of the authority and the border, 
then there is no
reason to respect the authority within the borders, either.

The angular mass of  authority is  I=mr^2 .

If there is no border, then "r" deflates to zero and no matter how large 
"m" is,
there is no effect.

*
Euler might be said to be rather inscrutable,
but he had his moments.

Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote:
> *From: *Mariam Iskajyan <info at winwithoutwar.org 
> <mailto:info at winwithoutwar.org>>
> *Subject: **BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at the border (Act 
> Now)*
> *Date: *November 21, 2018
>
> BREAKING NEWS: Troops at border are now authorized to use deadly force 
> against migrants. This is illegal and we have to stop it.
>
>
>   Win Without War
>
> Dear Ron,
>
> *This morning, news broke that the Trump administration issued an 
> order authorizing **troops at the border to use deadly force against 
> migrants. *This is not only horrifying, it violates the critical law 
> that keeps the military completely separate from domestic law 
> enforcement. [1]
>
> *This is one of the most dangerous things the Trump administration has 
> ever done.* Active-duty troops authorized to shoot people seeking 
> refuge at the southern border not only terrorizes migrant families, it 
> erodes our rule of law, and makes servicemembers political pawns. This 
> is not just terrifying—*/it’s illegal and we cannot allow it to happen. /*
>
> Together with our friends at CREDO Action, tens of thousands of us 
> have taken action to demand Secretary of Defense James Mattis cancel 
> and recall troops from the border. With today’s shameful and 
> unprecedented news, *we MUST keep the pressure on, and have our voices 
> heard.*
>
> *That’s why we’re issuing an **/urgent /**call to demand Sec. Mattis 
> make clear that U.S. troops are not authorized to use deadly force at 
> the border, and to bring the troops home immediately.*
>
> Sign now! Tell Sec. Mattis to make clear that U.S. troops cannot use 
> any force against migrants. Period. Bring the troops home immediately. 
> <https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/sec-mattis-reject-illegal-order-and-bring-troops-home?source=20181121_2&t=4&akid=2915%2E37829%2EucXQpt>
>
> <http://act.winwithoutwar.org/sign/sec-mattis-reject-illegal-order-and-bring-troops-home/?t=5&akid=2915%2E37829%2EucXQpt>
>
> *This new order by Trump’s White House is dangerous on three fronts: 
> it further terrorizes migrants seeking safety and refuge, it upends 
> longstanding law, and it expands Trump’s rising authoritarianism.*
>
> The illegal order came from the White House chief of staff, John Kelly 
> — who has no official military role. In other words, someone outside 
> military “chain of command” is telling troops what to do. That’s 
> deeply dangerous.
>
> But Secretary of Defense James Mattis IS in the “chain of command.” He 
> must use his official power to make clear that the military will not 
> be used to violate the law. *That’s why we must double down and demand 
> louder than ever that Sec. Mattis reject any illegal or 
> unconstitutional order, and immediately withdraw ALL troops, including 
> the National Guard, from the border now.*
>
> Tell Sec. Mattis: Stand up for the rule of law. Reject the White House 
> order and bring the troops home from the border NOW! 
> <https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/sec-mattis-reject-illegal-order-and-bring-troops-home?source=20181121_2&t=6&akid=2915%2E37829%2EucXQpt>
>
> Ron, those walking hundreds of miles in pursuit of refuge have every 
> right to seek asylum in this country. This holiday season we are 
> opening our doors and tables to break bread with community, because we 
> know we are stronger when we’re united. Not only should troops be at 
> home for the holidays, but migrants seeking refuge and sustenance 
> should be met with welcoming arms and open hearts—not bans, walls, and 
> deadly force. /Let’s do everything we can to take a stand against 
> hatred and state violence today./
>
> Thank you for working for peace,
>
> Mariam, Michelle, Erica, and the Win Without War team
>
>
> ---
>
> [1] Military Times, "White House approves use of force, some law 
> enforcement roles for border troops 
> <https://act.winwithoutwar.org/go/14706?t=9&akid=2915%2E37829%2EucXQpt>"
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ewj at pigs.ag  Thu Nov 22 03:27:34 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 11:27:34 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] chickenpox outbreak linked to vaccine exemptions
Message-ID: <95fac008-e2e0-79ef-634a-4ee2cf509ce4@pigs.ag>

One of the legitimate functions of government authority and the police 
power is the promotion of public health.

(see Jacobson v. Massachusetts, and Zucht v. King...)

The interesting issue is that vaccination is not a Zero Harm programme.
There is indeed a quite small risk of negative outcomes that vary from
redness and swelling at the vaccination site to lymphadenopathy to
severe systemic reactions, anaphylaxis and even death in extreme rare cases.

On the other hand the risk of epidemic disease in unvaccinated populations
is high and significant and the negative consequences of (preventable) 
infectious
disease on the General Population far exceeds the impact on the General 
Population
of random negative experiences by a minute number of individuals.

The impact on the general population of a few singlet non-vaccinated 
individuals is
negligible.  As long as the vaccination efficacy rate is about 80% of 
so, the opportunity
for a "forest fire" epidemic is near zero, so a few non-compliances plus 
a few natural
non-responders don't impact "herd immunity" at all.

The literature of the non-vaccinationist movement is an interesting 
study of incredible zeal
and incredible information.  see http://whale.to  It is interesting 
stuff and is a great stimulus
for those who already have a sick (as a brick) sense of contemptuous humour.
("I'm OK, You're Nucking Futs!" - Chevy Chase)


***

https://www.empr.com/news/vaccine-exemption-varicella-virus-outbreak-chickenpox-north-caroline-school/article/816020

November 21, 2018
Vaccine-Exempt Students Behind NC Chickenpox Outbreak

(HealthDay News) — North Carolina's largest chickenpox outbreak in 
decades is centered in a primary school with a large number of 
vaccine-exempt students, according to health officials.

Thirty-six students at Asheville Waldorf School were diagnosed with the 
disease last Friday, according to the Asheville Citizen-Times newspaper, 
BBC News reported. The school has one of the state's highest rates of 
religious-based vaccine exemptions for students.

Of the school's 152 students, 110 have not received the vaccine against 
the virus that causes chickenpox, the Citizen-Times reported, according 
to BBC News. In 2017-18, nearly 68 percent of the school's kindergarten 
students had religious immunization exemptions on file.
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 13:14:01 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:14:01 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at the
 border (Act Now)
In-Reply-To: <d96e18e4-2611-a018-3491-245e5690dce4@pigs.ag>
References: <93c5-b63-5bf5c348@list.winwithoutwar.org>
 <DE6F7148-6E57-45A5-9B15-EC2AE198EE48@illinois.edu>
 <d96e18e4-2611-a018-3491-245e5690dce4@pigs.ag>
Message-ID: <883A8B38-143F-47E3-A82D-7BFA33DCEB3A@gmail.com>

Wayne—

You can’t be serious. The proper course is to open the borders (as they were until after WWI) and make provision for the refugees, who’ve been driven out of their homes by US imperialism.

And I miss the joke about the conservation of angular momentum.

Happy Thanksgiving (in re the acceptance of refugees), CGE
 

> On Nov 21, 2018, at 7:58 PM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Well. the migrant caravan intent to storm the southern border of those Untied States is indeed best interpreted as an act of aggression by a organized foreign power and hence a threat to the federal authority and a challenge to the integrity of the border.
> 
> The only reasonable response is the exercise of deadly force with extreme prejudice.  
> If there is no consequence to violation of the authority and the border, then there is no
> reason to respect the authority within the borders, either.
> 
> The angular mass of  authority is  I=mr2.
> 
> If there is no border, then "r" deflates to zero and no matter how large "m" is, 
> there is no effect.
> 
> *
> Euler might be said to be rather inscrutable,
> but he had his moments.
> 
> Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote:
>> From: Mariam Iskajyan <info at winwithoutwar.org>
>> Subject: BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at the border (Act Now)
>> Date: November 21, 2018 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Ron,
>> 
>> This morning, news broke that the Trump administration issued an order authorizing troops at the border to use deadly force against migrants. This is not only horrifying, it violates the critical law that keeps the military completely separate from domestic law enforcement. [1]
>> 
>> This is one of the most dangerous things the Trump administration has ever done. Active-duty troops authorized to shoot people seeking refuge at the southern border not only terrorizes migrant families, it erodes our rule of law, and makes servicemembers political pawns. This is not just terrifying—it’s illegal and we cannot allow it to happen.
>> 
>> Together with our friends at CREDO Action, tens of thousands of us have taken action to demand Secretary of Defense James Mattis cancel and recall troops from the border. With today’s shameful and unprecedented news, we MUST keep the pressure on, and have our voices heard.
>> 
>> That’s why we’re issuing an urgent call to demand Sec. Mattis make clear that U.S. troops are not authorized to use deadly force at the border, and to bring the troops home immediately.
>> 
>> Sign now! Tell Sec. Mattis to make clear that U.S. troops cannot use any force against migrants. Period. Bring the troops home immediately.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This new order by Trump’s White House is dangerous on three fronts: it further terrorizes migrants seeking safety and refuge, it upends longstanding law, and it expands Trump’s rising authoritarianism.
>> 
>> The illegal order came from the White House chief of staff, John Kelly — who has no official military role. In other words, someone outside military “chain of command” is telling troops what to do. That’s deeply dangerous.
>> 
>> But Secretary of Defense James Mattis IS in the “chain of command.” He must use his official power to make clear that the military will not be used to violate the law. That’s why we must double down and demand louder than ever that Sec. Mattis reject any illegal or unconstitutional order, and immediately withdraw ALL troops, including the National Guard, from the border now.
>> 
>> Tell Sec. Mattis: Stand up for the rule of law. Reject the White House order and bring the troops home from the border NOW!
>> 
>> Ron, those walking hundreds of miles in pursuit of refuge have every right to seek asylum in this country. This holiday season we are opening our doors and tables to break bread with community, because we know we are stronger when we’re united. Not only should troops be at home for the holidays, but migrants seeking refuge and sustenance should be met with welcoming arms and open hearts—not bans, walls, and deadly force. Let’s do everything we can to take a stand against hatred and state violence today.
>> 
>> Thank you for working for peace,
>> 
>> Mariam, Michelle, Erica, and the Win Without War team
>> 
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> [1] Military Times, "White House approves use of force, some law enforcement roles for border troops"
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Donate
>> 	
>> Win Without War is a project of the Center for International Policy.
>> 1 Thomas Circle NW, Suite 700, Washington, DC 20005
>> (202) 656-4999 | info at winwithoutwar.org
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 17:03:15 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:03:15 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The most dangerous government in the world
Message-ID: <34515C2D-2810-4843-B45A-2CA8A7DF1F7B@gmail.com>


<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-23/trump-xi-signal-readiness-for-trade-talks-ahead-of-g-20-meeting?fbclid=IwAR3eJFtzSsrwZ0uULgjsCo03KT1tgFhpbHes5kq3VJ-fF6Lp0WVFP195Zw8>

The US political establishment (the 'war party'), agents of the one-percent, will do what they can to undermine a Trump-Xi entente.

That establishment consists of the Republican and Democratic leadership, the ‘intelligence community’ (CIA, FBI, NSA et al.), the Pentagon, State Dept., ’think-tank land’ et al. 

They are determined to continue the last administration's war provocations vs. Russia and China; they see Trump’s criticisms of those provocations as the reason he must be removed, or forced to change. 

US provocations and wars are there to prevent Eurasia from challenging the US one percent’s economic hegemony. 

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Fri Nov 23 17:24:03 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 17:24:03 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] US midterms
Message-ID: <AD2DC94C-1862-4E55-87E1-17ECE3D2A492@illinois.edu>


Midterm elections: Democrats lead popular vote in House by largest margin in history
Republicans trail by record 8.9m votes with only one seat undecided

  *   Chris Baynes<https://www.independent.co.uk/author/chris-baynes>
  *   The Independent (UK)

Democrats<https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/democrats> are set to pull off the largest midterm elections<https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/midterm-elections> victory in history, according to a breakdown of the popular vote in races for the House of Representatives.
The party leads the Republicans by more than 8.9 million votes across the US, raw data<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WxDaxD5az6kdOjJncmGph37z0BPNhV1fNAH_g7IkpC0/edit#gid=0> compiled by the Cook Political Report, an independent, non-partisan political analysis website.

Previously, the largest margin of victory was 8.7 million, which came in the 1974 midterm elections after the Watergate scandal<https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/watergate> and Richard Nixon<https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/RichardNixon>’s resignation.
<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/midterms-2018/florida-midterms-election-recount-latest-andrew-gillum-ron-desantis-rick-scott-bill-nelson-a8635716.html>
Only one House result remains undeclared. Democrats trail by fewer than 500 votes in California's 23rd congressional district, where there are 15,000 votes left to be counted.

It means the party is on the brink of flipping 40 seats in the House, reaffirming the emerging assessment that this month’s midterms amounted to a ”blue wave”<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/midterms-2018/midterms-results-democrats-blue-wave-late-vote-counts-us-election-trump-republican-a8631176.html>.
Utah’s Mia Love became the latest Republican incumbent to fall as Ben McAdams, the Democratic mayor of Salt Lake County, defeated her by fewer than 700 votes in a knife-edge race for the state's fourth congressional district.
She had been billed as one her party's stars when she became its first black congresswoman in 2014.

As of Thursday, Democratic candidates had polled 59,351,147 votes in House seats across the country in the 2018 midterms, compared to Republicans’ 50,438,143, according to the Cook Political Report.

Democrats are on course for more than 60.5 million ballots in total<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/midterms-2018-turnout-democrats-trump-election-republicans-nate-silver-votes-a8641006.html>, the closest an opposition party has come in midterm elections to matching the president’s popular vote two years earlier.

Turnout across the country the highest since 1914, with Mr Trump’s divisive presidency and rancorous debates over immigration, healthcare and taxes thought to have driven voters to the ballot box.

At least 49.2 per cent of eligible voters cast ballots, the United States Elections Project estimates, compared to 36.4 per cent in 2014.
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 17:34:05 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:34:05 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The most dangerous government in the world
In-Reply-To: <34515C2D-2810-4843-B45A-2CA8A7DF1F7B@gmail.com>
References: <34515C2D-2810-4843-B45A-2CA8A7DF1F7B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyGwhtHcEhJJhNTg-Fp-AQXAqKtEXu-C89NTcbKPj_FAUQ@mail.gmail.com>

The question becomes: whether such an entente would represent the interests
of the working class, or on the other hand elites of both countries; i.e.,
whether Trump is simply playing good cop to the bad cop of the War Party,
"intelligence community,", etc.

DG

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 11:03 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

>
> <
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-23/trump-xi-signal-readiness-for-trade-talks-ahead-of-g-20-meeting?fbclid=IwAR3eJFtzSsrwZ0uULgjsCo03KT1tgFhpbHes5kq3VJ-fF6Lp0WVFP195Zw8
> >
>
> The US political establishment (the 'war party'), agents of the
> one-percent, will do what they can to undermine a Trump-Xi entente.
>
> That establishment consists of the Republican and Democratic leadership,
> the ‘intelligence community’ (CIA, FBI, NSA et al.), the Pentagon, State
> Dept., ’think-tank land’ et al.
>
> They are determined to continue the last administration's war provocations
> vs. Russia and China; they see Trump’s criticisms of those provocations as
> the reason he must be removed, or forced to change.
>
> US provocations and wars are there to prevent Eurasia from challenging the
> US one percent’s economic hegemony.
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 17:43:10 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:43:10 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The most dangerous government in the world
In-Reply-To: <CAOiGAyGwhtHcEhJJhNTg-Fp-AQXAqKtEXu-C89NTcbKPj_FAUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34515C2D-2810-4843-B45A-2CA8A7DF1F7B@gmail.com>
 <CAOiGAyGwhtHcEhJJhNTg-Fp-AQXAqKtEXu-C89NTcbKPj_FAUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A95E641-6321-426F-8745-8584FA92EE19@gmail.com>

When the alternative is economic and military provocation of China - in order to maintain the the US one-percent’s economic hegemony and inhibit those Brzezinski called “peer competitors” of the US (Russia and China) - then yes, an entente redounds to the interests of the global working class.


> On Nov 23, 2018, at 11:34 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> The question becomes: whether such an entente would represent the interests of the working class, or on the other hand elites of both countries; i.e., whether Trump is simply playing good cop to the bad cop of the War Party, "intelligence community,", etc.
> 
> DG
> 
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 11:03 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-23/trump-xi-signal-readiness-for-trade-talks-ahead-of-g-20-meeting?fbclid=IwAR3eJFtzSsrwZ0uULgjsCo03KT1tgFhpbHes5kq3VJ-fF6Lp0WVFP195Zw8>
> 
> The US political establishment (the 'war party'), agents of the one-percent, will do what they can to undermine a Trump-Xi entente.
> 
> That establishment consists of the Republican and Democratic leadership, the ‘intelligence community’ (CIA, FBI, NSA et al.), the Pentagon, State Dept., ’think-tank land’ et al. 
> 
> They are determined to continue the last administration's war provocations vs. Russia and China; they see Trump’s criticisms of those provocations as the reason he must be removed, or forced to change. 
> 
> US provocations and wars are there to prevent Eurasia from challenging the US one percent’s economic hegemony. 
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Nov 24 07:55:34 2018
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 01:55:34 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] NfN/AOTA notes
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Elections: Ballot mishandling is purposeful and planned

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/campaigns-elections/new-york-city-purged-voters-2016-it-wasnt-mistake.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T0Is5AZW9M
Video of Broward County, Florida ballot mishandling including:

- transporting ballots without supervision (there's nobody to see what 
happens to the ballots)

- blocking candidate ballot observers from seeing what's going on with the 
ballots (preventing the observer from doing their job)

- separating ballots according to mysterious criteria (why not feed all of 
the ballots into a ballot reader machine?)

The video Niko House talks about (and seen in the aforementioned URL) is 
the cause of lawsuits and recount efforts in Florida now. Tim Canova is 
running against Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (yes, that Debbie 
Wasserman-Schultz) again and Canova is, thanks to unfair and illegal 
practices like those shown in the video, losing votes.

Broward County supervisor of elections Brenda Snipes is also back in the 
news; she admitted in court that she illegally destroyed all of the ballots 
in Canova's 2016 election. Thanks to rampant corruption she still has her 
job and is working with Wasserman Schultz again.



Exploitation: Poor Mexicans see a spike in type-2 diabetes due to replacing 
water with Coca-Cola.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNsCGrkyYHw -- Poor residents of Chiapas, 
Mexico drink about 2 liters of Coca-Cola per day because it's cheap, 
cheaper than water. We're told that here Coca-Cola is used as a form of 
currency for people too poor to pay for goods and services with money. As a 
result their blood sugar spikes beyond their bodies ability to handle it, 
and predictable chronic illnesses of obesity and sugar intake result: 
type-2 diabetes. One can expect predictable consequences of this corporate 
manipulation into what is essentially a large-scale food desert including 
earlier deaths.


Exploitation: California fires are an opportunity to exploit prisoners

30% of California's forest firefighters are prisoners
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/08/40-percent-californias-fires-are-fought-prison-inmates/

> Between 30 and 40 percent of California’s forest firefighters are state
> prison inmates. The state has become a tinderbox of sorts from a
> four-year drought, and roughly 4,000 low-level felons are on the front
> lines of the state’s active fires. Here’s what’s going on:
> 
> Why are prisoners fighting fires? For years, California’s prison system
> has operated a number of “conservation camps,” in which low-level felons
> in the state prison system volunteer to do manual labor outside, like
> clearing brush to prevent forest fires or fighting the fires themselves.
> A handful of other states have similar programs, but California’s
> program is by far the largest, with roughly 4,000 participants. At its
> best, the program is a win-win situation: Inmates learn useful skills
> and spend time outside the normal confines of prison, and the
> collaboration with Cal Fire saves the state roughly $80 million a year.
> 
> Participants make $2 per day in the program and $2 an hour when they’re
> on a fire line. That may sound paltry, though it’s not bad by prison
> standards: Many prison jobs bring in less than $1 per hour. In addition,
> for each day they work in the program, the inmates receive a two-day
> reduction from their sentences.
> 
> So these are convicted felons? Yes—the prisoners are typically low-level
> felons, all of whom have volunteered to participate in the program and
> have demonstrated good behavior in prison. Some convictions exclude
> prisoners from applying, like arson (surprise, surprise) or sex crimes.
> One benefit of the program is that it often breaks down racial barriers:
> “When people are incarcerated they tend to segregate by race,” says
> Hadar Aviram, a law professor and criminologist at the University of
> California-Hastings. “The fire camps are not like that. People who do
> not associate with each other inside a prison are willing to be friends
> when they’re at a fire camp.”
> 
> As California reforms its prison system and more low-level offenders are
> sent home sooner, the state may have to entertain the idea of including
> more violent offenders in the firefighting ranks.



This week's irony alert: George W. Bush was given the "Liberty Medal", an 
award "given for leadership in the pursuit of freedom" by the National 
Constitution Center. Not only is getting a minor boost here, corporate 
media sycophants want in on praising Bush as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL0M13CDFQo -- Comics have been remarkably 
supportive of the Permanent Government/Deep State and its apparent desire 
to rewrite G.W. Bush's image. All of the comedy news programs are hosted by 
comics and all of them except RT's "Redacted Tonight" spend most of their 
time either distracting people away from any critique of G.W. Bush's and 
Obama's policies (such as the many wars they got the US into and/or 
sustained), or these shows engage in minimizing those presidents illegal 
and unethical choices. The preferred form of distraction seems to be Trump 
Derangement Syndrome -- doing whatever they can to make the past seem 
brighter than it was so they can justify quips which aim to make Pres. 
Trump seem uniquely horrible. One pattern stands out -- looking back on 
G.W. Bush with rose-colored glasses:

- Joy Behar of daytime talk show 'The View' said "I like George W. Bush now!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yQd9O4MJTE

- Margaret Cho spoke with Larry King on his RT program ("Politicking") and 
she said she "misses" George W. Bush now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMooJf0FaJo

- Ellen DeGeneres had George W. Bush on her daytime talk show ("Ellen") to 
promote his art book. She danced with him, reminisced about his trouble 
wearing a rain poncho at Donald Trump's inauguration, and she took smiling 
promotional selfies with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK6D8rCj6eM

Stand-up comic Brooks Whelan came pointed out the shift in perception 
(which I'd call hypocrisy) about Bush around 18m49s into his Comedy Central 
stand-up routine:

> I want Obama to leave office just so he is liked again. That's what I 
> want him to leave. (audience laughs) You know what I mean? That's why I
> want him to leave. Just so he's liked again.
> 
> Because when you're president, you just get blamed for everything. Like,
> if someone loses their job, they're like, "Obama!" (angrily makes fist)
> Like...It's, like, no, you're a racist drunk at your job, dude. Like,
> that's why you got fired, like... 'Cause once you're not president,
> you're just an old celebrity, that's all you are. And that's the most
> fun thing to be in the world. Like, think about it, remember how mad
> everyone was at George Bush. Everyone was like, "He's killing
> everybody!"
> 
> And now we're like, "Look at what he's painting over there. (laughs)
> "Look at that. He's drawing his dad. Can you believe that?"

but then went on to stump for Hillary Clinton saying he wanted to see Bill 
Clinton have nothing to do and become the star of a reality TV show 
focusing on what he'd do with his copious spare time.





Hillary Clinton still in the news: she tells Europe to stem refugee flow to 
avoid 'populist politics'

https://on.rt.com/9j45 -- Quoting the article:

> Speaking to the Guardian as part of a series of interviews with “senior
> centrist political figures” about the rise of right-wing populism,
> Clinton mused that Europe “needs to get a handle on migration” because
> the influx of refugees from the Middle East and Africa in recent years
> is “what lit the flame” of support for anti-immigration political
> figures.

[...]

> The NATO-led ‘humanitarian intervention’ in Libya — a decision which
> Clinton herself was instrumental in making — turned what was once the
> richest country in Africa, into a failed state and hotbed for terrorism
> and the slave trade. “We came, we saw, he died!” Clinton exclaimed
> cheerfully upon hearing the news of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s brutal
> death, during which he was sodomized with a bayonet by rebels.

One twitter user (Ronan Burtenshaw (@ronanburtenshaw)) concluded she'd get 
another bite at the POTUS apple:

https://twitter.com/ronanburtenshaw/status/1065611722675953664

> She's running. And it's going to be a complete disaster. Again.

Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) pointed out in 
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1065619607606738944 :

> Clinton says Europe should make clear that “we are not going to be able
> to continue provide refuge & support.” Isn’t this the attitude we
> denounce Trump for? Speaking of irony, Clinton’s regime wars in Libya &
> Syria (& Iraq, indirectly) fueled the migration she wants to stop.







War: Support for war and "Being Saudi Arabia's bitch"

https://on.rt.com/9j5b -- Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) gets quite a supportive 
writeup on RT.com for what was called "a blistering criticism of President 
Trump" which was said to "shak[e] up the Dem Party establishment".

Tulsi Gabbard (@TulsiGabbard) wrote in 
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1065289231977738240 :

> Hey @realdonaldtrump: being Saudi Arabia’s bitch is not “America First.”

But how much of a divergence from the status quo does Rep. Gabbard really pose?

In January she was interviewed by Jeremy Scahill for his audio show 
"Intercepted":

Transcript: 
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/17/intercepted-podcast-white-mirror/

Audio: https://player.megaphone.fm/PPY1407171456

She talked about the DPRK sanctions and the (still ongoing) so-called 
"denuclearization" negotiations:

> Gabbard: I think the sanctions that have been put in place have been
> ineffective. If we look throughout history, through different
> administrations that have tried to enact sanctions to be able to spur
> these kinds of negotiations, they haven’t worked. You know, many of them
> because they either haven’t been put in place long enough to have an
> effect or they just simply were ineffective.
The sanctions aren't objectionable because they're "ineffective". They're 
objectionable because they're a form of economic warfare which harm the 
people of a country, not really its government. DPRK has shown they know 
how to get around the sanctions. They even show this off in interviews 
(such as documentaries where they have reasonably recent Internet-connected 
computer labs, for instance), but how about the people? How successful are 
ordinary DPRK citizens at securing their needs (not just high-tech needs, 
but food, water, healthcare, a livable home, etc.)? These should be the 
bases for objection to sanctions.

She comments on drone warfare:

> Gabbard: So, with these terrorist cells, for example, yes, I do still
> believe that the right approach to take is these quick strike forces,
> surgical strikes, in and out, very quickly, no long-term deployment, no
> long-term occupation to be able to get rid of the threat that exists and
> then get out and the very limited use of drones in those situations
> where our military is not able to get in without creating an
> unacceptable level of risk, and where you can make sure that you’re not
> causing, you know, a large amount of civilian casualties.

Drones kill civilians extrajudicially by design; literally anyone in the 
area of the euphemistically labeled "surgical strike" is killed. So clearly 
the term "surgical strike" is propaganda to deceive the US public into 
believing fewer people are being killed than really are (a clear sign that 
the US Government knows the American people are mostly anti-war and thus 
must be lied into war). The definition of "militant" seems to be any male 
of fighting age despite any evidence that that man fought the US. There's 
no US Government body count (the drone war is a secret war, after all) and 
the US Government does not know whom it is killing. The list of drone 
targets is ultimately determined without evidence, charges, trial, or 
debate and is arrived at singlehandedly by one person -- the US President 
-- in what are called "Terror Tuesday" meetings. The President is given a 
series of dossiers on candidates for drone murder (nicknamed "baseball 
cards") every Tuesday and then chooses whom to kill.

Here Rep. Gabbard is announcing she's a rank-and-file Democrat, really no 
different than Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders on war, despite Gabbard's 
objection to occupying Iraq and attacking Libya. These are relatively easy 
objections to make because they pose no real threat to power but give the 
speaker some seemingly beneficial-looking press. As we see with the 
objections to the ongoing US-backed Saudi Arabian war in Yemen, US 
representatives can vociferously object to the killing while doing nothing 
to stop those killings.

Peter Bergen in The New York Times 
(https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/president-obama-warrior-in-chief.html) 
wrote:

> Compare Mr. Obama's use of drone strikes with that of his predecessor.
> During the Bush administration, there was an American drone attack in
> Pakistan every 43 days; during the first two years of the Obama
> administration, there was a drone strike there every four days.
It's been said that Gabbard might run for US President. If she becomes the 
next Democratic Party representative, it seems reasonable to ask: if she 
were elected, would Pres. Gabbard continue assassinating people via drones? 
Her own statements to date indicate that she would. Or would she escalate 
that further beyond Pres. Obama or Pres. Trump's level of assassination?

In 2013, Gabbard stated:

> I applaud the [Obama] Administration for clarifying that drone strikes
> on non-combatant American citizens on U.S. soil are not and will not be
> authorized. I understand firsthand the value of using counter-terrorism
> warfare tactics and strategies overseas in dealing with 21st century
> threats. But these tactics should never be used against our own citizens
> here at home. Just as U.S. law enforcement strategies do not apply in
> war with a foreign enemy, drone strikes and other counter-terrorism
> tactics should not be targeting non-combatant U.S. citizens.
Source: 
http://gabbard.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-statement-on-the-administration-s-drone-policy

Source: 
http://mauitime.com/news/what-us-representative-tulsi-gabbard-thinks-about-republican-budgets-and-targeted-drone-killings/

Yet the drone war did kill Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen whom the US 
Government claims recruited and motivated people to work for al-Qaeda (but 
killed without charge, evidence, or any opportunity for inspection of 
evidence or rebuttal in a court of law). Two weeks later the US Government 
killed his 16-year-old, American citizen son Abdulrahman who had never been 
charged or convicted of any crime. Abdulrahman was killed as well as 
everyone he was having dinner with while he was visiting friends and family 
in Yemen. Both of these strikes occurred during the Obama administration. 
It's not known what offense Abdulrahman was said to have committed to 
deserve being killed, let alone killed extrajudicially. Both of these 
murders appear to be clear and straightforward unconstitutional due process 
violations. When asked to justify killing the minor, Robert Gibbs, Obama's 
press secretary, said Abdulrahman should have "had a more responsible 
father"[1] Under the Trump administration a SEAL team conducted a drone-led 
raid which included killing 30 people including al-Awlaki's 8-year-old 
daughter Nawar[2] and 10 women and children.

[1] 
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/how-team-obama-justifies-the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/

[2] 
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/

The bombing, droning, and killing civilians drove people into the arms of 
al-Qaeda[3].

[3] 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/in-yemen-us-airstrikes-breed-anger-and-sympathy-for-al-qaeda/2012/05/29/gJQAUmKI0U_story.html

In 
https://theintercept.com/2018/08/03/tulsi-gabbard-primary-challengers-hawaii/ 
Aída Chávez reminded us

> In 2015, she was one of 47 Democrats to join Republicans in passing the
> Security Against Foreign Enemies Act, a bill derived from heightened
> fear in the aftermath of the deadly Paris attacks which would have
> effectively blocked refugees from war-torn Syria and Iraq. (The bill did
> not make it through the Senate and never became law.)

When it comes to war and the effects of war, Rep. Gabbard seems rather down 
with the program, hardly a "blistering criticism" of anyone let alone G.W. 
Bush, Obama, or Trump's administrations and in no way "shaking up the Dem 
Party establishment" but instead confirming the Democratic Party's 
fundamental neoliberal and neoconservative choices.






War: Syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHfwxtUvdQY -- When will the US respect 
Syria's sovereignty? Probably not until Syria stops being useful to the US.







War: The war party "mistakenly" casts votes blocking a resolution on ending 
the war in Yemen.

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/16/yemen-war-house-resolution/ -- The 
Intercept tells us that

> Six House Democrats voted with the GOP to prevent any action
> on the Yemen war this legislative session. Two said they did
> it by accident.

More from Lee Fang's article:

> In a political maneuver that was equal parts bizarre and grimly
> predictable, Republican leaders on Capitol Hill moved yet again on
> Wednesday to block a vote to wind down U.S. military support for the war
> in Yemen, this time by tucking a parliamentary procedure into a rule
> governing legislation that removes gray wolves from the endangered
> species list.
> 
> The measure narrowly passed with a 201-187 vote, making it more
> difficult for the House to take action on the war in Yemen this
> legislative session.
> 
> What’s more, several of the co-sponsors of the Yemen resolution to end
> the war either voted to advance the wolf bill or abstained from the vote
> entirely, meaning that they played a part in preventing their own bill
> from reaching the House floor.
> 
> Adding to the confusion, two of the six House Democrats who joined
> Republicans in beating back the Yemen bill have told The Intercept that
> they cast their votes in error.
> 
> “Mr. Vela’s vote was actually mistake – we are in the process of
> changing it,” wrote Mickeala Carter, a spokesperson for Rep. Filemon
> Vela, D-Texas, who voted for the rule that prevented the Yemen vote.
> 
> Rep. Anna Eshoo, D-Calif., is a co-sponsor of the Yemen legislation,
> which invokes the 1973 War Powers Act to compel the Trump administration
> to remove U.S. forces from “hostilities” related to the Saudi Arabia-led
> intervention. Eshoo voted for the measure blocking her own resolution
> from reaching the floor, a move that puzzled human rights advocates.
> 
> “She is a cosponsor of the Resolution and made a mistake on the vote,”
> wrote Emma Crisci, a spokesperson for Eshoo’s office, in an email to The
> Intercept. “The Congresswoman is submitting a statement for the
> Congressional Record saying that she made a mistake in voting and meant
> to vote NO on the rule.”
> 
> Four other House Democrats — Reps. Gene Green and Vicente González of
> Texas, Collin Peterson of Minnesota, and Jim Costa of California — also
> voted for the rule to prevent the Yemen bill from reaching the floor,
> and did not respond to a request for comment.




War: Afghanistan war is long, making Afghanistan worse, but should 
continue, according to Rep. Jim Banks.

http://www.journalgazette.net/news/local/indiana/20181122/afghanistan-moredangerous-thanbefore-banks-says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inBGK0qfSRQ -- Rep. Jim Banks says 
Afghanistan "feels like a more dangerous place" today than was when he was 
stationed there in 2014-2015. RT piece saying that war and occupation make 
more "terrorism".

But Rep. Banks says this war should continue.

> Banks, R-3rd, led a bipartisan congressional delegation to Afghanistan
> this week to receive briefings and show support for U.S. troops deployed
> there. The lawmaker is a member of the House Armed Services Committee.
> 
> “I learned a lot and saw a lot that I didn't anticipate. The rise of
> ISIS-K is potentially a greater threat at this point than the Taliban,
> and that's a new development there,” he said in a telephone interview.
> 
> Banks and his six colleagues in the House arrived in Afghanistan on
> Sunday and left Tuesday about the time they learned of a suicide bombing
> in the Afghan capital Kabul that killed at least 55 people. The Taliban
> rebel movement denied involvement, and ISIS-K – also called
> ISIS-Khorasan, the Afghan affiliate of the Islamic State terrorist
> organization – is suspected in the attack.

But don't let that deceive you into thinking Rep. Banks is calling for an 
end to the war in Afghanistan.

> Banks called on President Donald Trump to visit Afghanistan, something
> Trump indicated this week that he might do.
> 
> “I think he would benefit tremendously by going to Afghanistan, seeing
> the situation on the ground. ... Not to mention going there to show
> support for the troops,” Banks said.
> 
> In a series of tweets on Tuesday, Banks urged Trump to visit Afghanistan
> and for his administration to issue “a serious progress report to the
> American people” on its 2017 strategy for South Asia.
> 
> Asked whether the Trump administration should add to the 15,000 American
> troops in Afghanistan, Banks said, “I didn't go there to play general.”
> He also said he was “greatly impressed” with the leadership of Gen.
> Scott Miller, the commander of NATO and U.S. forces in Afghanistan.
[...]
> “Until Afghanistan can have a stable government and a civil society, 
> which they will never have with the war with the Taliban, which appears 
> to be at a stalemate, it will be harder than ever for them to push out 
> ISIS-K or any other terrorist groups that reside within Afghanistan,” he
> [Rep. Banks] said.
> 
> “It remains a dangerous and tumultuous place, which is why our ongoing 
> efforts and commitment there are as important as they've ever been,” 
> Banks said. “That being said, the American people are weary of 17 going 
> on 18 years of the longest war in American history.”





War is up and all around the US, everywhere the US goes: Trump surpasses 
record for most bombs dropped in one year in Afghanistan: over 5,200...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIEJTgKhhAI -- ...and that's only through 
the end of September. The piece also gets into:

Cost of the "war on terror" so far: almost $6 trillion according to 
https://www.thenation.com/article/americas-war-on-terror-has-cost-taxpayers-5-6-trillion/

https://www.axios.com/global-terror-attacks-have-skyrocketed-since-911-34eec00f-ac8a-496f-8a30-3f3f6d054110.html 
says "Global terror attacks have skyrocketed since 9/11":

> There were more than 10,000 terrorist attacks worldwide last year — five
> times as many as there were the year of the Sept. 11 attacks, the leader
> of a new congressionally mandated task force on extremism told
> reporters.

[...]

> The incidents labeled as terror attacks include armed assault, 
> assassination, bombing/explosion, facility/infrastructure attack, 
> hijacking, hostage taking (barricade incident), hostage taking 
> (kidnapping) and unarmed assault.
> 
> Terror groups thrive on instability, a newly released report from the
> task force explains. Areas that have no solid governing power, are in
> the midst of a civil war or are suffering from a "breakdown of social
> order" are at the highest risk of fostering extremism.
> 
> * Per the report, 77% of conflicts in the Middle East, the Sahel region
> in Africa and the Horn of Africa "have a violent extremist element," up
> from 22% in 2001.
> 
> * But the damage brought on fragile states is only the beginning: "As
> more states suffer violent outbreaks of extremism ... international
> order unravels further."
> 
> * And extremism undermines regional influence and fuels chaos, the task
> force explains, allowing powers like Russia, Iran and China to exploit
> threats for their own economic and strategic purposes.
> 
> * Per the report, the U.S. "cannot compete effectively against China,
> Russia, or Iran as long as extremism fuels an arc of instability" in the
> region.
> 
> The bottom line: The report concludes that extremists are now focused on
> "establishing a new political order." The task force says the U.S.
> strategy must evolve into one of prevention, starting by strengthening
> the world's most at-risk states.
It seems to me that the "bottom line" is that the "war on terror" was meant 
to and is meant to create so-called "terrorism" (funny how our attacks are 
never called terrorism) and thus preventing us from experiencing another 
"enemies gap" as we were warned about so many years ago.

And the lack of indignation or anger over ongoing war. This is likely due 
to a Permanent Government/Deep State-compliant media that simply doesn't 
report repeatedly on war. If there's no "drumbeat" coverage, it won't 
matter. So the media is largely silent on war but they'll occasionally file 
something presumably so people can't complain there's absolutely no 
coverage. Any time there's a need for ramping up a new war we see the 
corporate media fall in line (watch clips from the run-up to the 2003 Iraq 
invasion for plenty of examples).










Economy: Anytime someone asks how the US can afford policy X, ask them we 
pay for it in the same way we apparently paid for the $21T the US DoD and 
HUD lost track of over 2 decades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yIwMC1NDzY -- Pentagon fails its first 
audit. Despite the Dept. of Defense's own inspection general report showed 
that $21 trillion had gone unaccounted for by the Pentagon and the Dept. of 
Housing and Urban Development over the past 20 years ("Redacted Tonight" 
remains one of very few media sources that covers this story).

What could we buy for $21T? Basically every national policy we want 
including Medicare for All, ending homelessness, annual guaranteed income, 
free (gratis) college for all, national jobs program where everyone works a 
living wage job if they want to work, and more.









US and Saudi Arabia: still doing business, Trump administration continues 
the same line as previous American administrations -- this relationship is 
a national security matter.

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/21/trumps-amoral-saudi-statement-is-a-pure-and-honest-expression-of-decades-old-u-s-values-and-foreign-policy-orthodoxies/ 
-- Glenn Greenwald on how Trump's continuing with Saudi Arabia is simply 
Trump repeating the exact same rationale used in the past (including by 
now-celebrated Obama & Hillary Clinton) to prop up and continue favorable 
relationships with world despots. Trump also gave (as Greenwald pointed 
out) his usual clarity in his speech leaving everyone informed as to the 
US' current position on the matter.

> Donald Trump on Tuesday issued a statement proclaiming that,
> notwithstanding the anger toward the Saudi Crown Prince over the
> gruesome murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, “the United States
> intends to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia to ensure the
> interests of our country, Israel and all other partners in the region.”
> To justify his decision, Trump cited the fact that “Saudi Arabia is the
> largest oil producing nation in the world” and claimed that “of the $450
> billion [the Saudis plan to spend with U.S. companies], $110 billion
> will be spent on the purchase of military equipment from Boeing,
> Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and many other great U.S. defense
> contractors.”
> 
> This statement instantly and predictably produced pompous denunciations
> pretending that Trump’s posture was a deviation from, a grievous
> violation of, long-standing U.S. values and foreign policy rather than
> what it actually and obviously is: a perfect example – perhaps stated a
> little more bluntly and candidly than usual – of how the U.S. has
> conducted itself in the world since at least the end of World War II.
> 
> The reaction was so intense because the fairy tale about the U.S.
> standing up for freedom and human rights in the world is one of the most
> pervasive and powerful prongs of western propaganda, the one relied upon
> by U.S. political and media elites to convince not just the U.S.
> population but also themselves of their own righteousness, even as they
> spend decades lavishing the world’s worst tyrants and despots with
> weapons, money, intelligence and diplomatic protection to carry out
> atrocities of historic proportions.
> 
> After all, if you have worked in high-level foreign policy positions in
> Washington, or at the think thanks and academic institutions that
> support those policies, or in the corporate media outlets that venerate
> those who rise to the top of those precincts (and which increasingly
> hire those security state officials as news analysts), how do you
> justify to yourself that you’re still a good person even though you arm,
> prop up, empower and enable the world’s worst monsters, genocides, and
> tyrannies?
> 
> Simple: by pretending that you don’t do any of that, that such acts are
> contrary to your system of values, that you actually work to oppose
> rather than protect such atrocities, that you’re a warrior and crusader
> for democracy, freedom and human rights around the world.

An example from the US arming and funding Guatemala's Gen. Efraín Ríos Montt:

> In April of this year, Gen. Efraín Ríos Montt, the dictator of Guatemala
> during the 1980s, died. The New York Times obituary, noting that he had
> been convicted of genocide for “trying to exterminate the Ixil ethnic
> group, a Mayan Indian community whose villages were wiped out by his
> forces,” explained that “in the panoply of commanders who turned much of
> Central America into a killing field in the 1980s, General Ríos Montt
> was one of the most murderous.” The obituary added: “In his first five
> months in power, according to Amnesty International, soldiers killed
> more than 10,000 peasants.”
> 
> The genocide-committing General Rios Montt was a favorite of President
> Ronald Reagan, one of the closest figures the U.S. has to a secular
> saint, after whom many monuments and national institutions are still
> named. Reagan not only armed and funded Rios Montt but heaped praise on
> him far more gushing than anything Trump or Jared Kushner has said about
> the Saudi Crown Prince. The Washington Post’s Lou Cannon reported in
> 1982 that “on Air Force One returning to Andrews Air Force Base [from
> South America], [Reagan] said Rios Montt had been getting ‘a bum rap’
> and ‘is totally dedicated to democracy in Guatemala.'”
> 
> At a press conference standing next to the mass murderer, Reagan hailed
> him as “a man of great personal integrity and commitment,” who really
> “wants to improve the quality of life for all Guatemalans and to promote
> social justice.” What about all those unfortunate acts of mass slaughter
> against Guatemalan peasants? That, said President Reagan, was justified,
> or at least understandable, because the General was “faced with a
> challenge from guerrillas armed and supported from those outside
> Guatemala.”

An example from how the US worked with Iraqi's Saddam Hussein before the 
2003 Iraqi invasion:

> Trump’s emphasis yesterday on the Saudis’ value in opposing Iran
> provoked particular anger. That anger is extremely odd given that the
> iconic and notorious photograph of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with
> Saddam Hussein took place in 1983, when Rumsfeld was dispatched to
> Baghdad to provide arms and other weapons to the Iraqi regime in order
> to help them fight Iran.
> 
> This trip, Al Jazeera noted when the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, all
> happened while “Iraq was at war with Iran and was using chemical
> weapons. Human rights abuses were practised on large sections of the
> Iraqi population.” The U.S. nonetheless “renewed the hand of friendship
> [with Saddam] through the special envoy Rumsfeld” because “Washington
> wanted Iraq’s friendship to stymie Iran” – exactly the rationale cited
> yesterday by Trump for continuing friendly relations with Riyadh (The
> Saudis “have been a great ally in our very important fight against
> Iran,” said Trump).

An example of Obama defending Saudi Arabia after lecturing India on 
tolerance and women's rights:

> As for the Saudis themselves, they have long been committing atrocities
> on par with and far worse than the Khashoggi killing both within their
> borders and outside, and their partnership with U.S. Presidents has only
> flourished. As the Saudis beheaded dissidents and created the planet’s
> worst humanitarian crisis by slaughtering Yemeni civilians without mercy
> or restraint, President Obama not only authorized the sale of a record
> amount of weapons to Saudi tyrants, but also cut short his visit to
> India, the world’s largest democracy, where he was delivering lectures
> about the paramount importance of human rights and civic freedoms, in
> order to travel to Riyadh to meet with top U.S. leaders from both
> political parties to pay homage to the murderous Saudi King who had just
> died (only in the last month of his presidency, with an eye toward his
> legacy, did Obama restrict some arms to the Saudis after allowing those
> weapons to freely flow for eighteen months during the destruction of
> Yemen).
> 
> UK Prime Minister David Cameron – perhaps Obama’s only worthy competitor
> when it came to simultaneously delivering preening speeches about human
> rights while arming the world’s worst human rights abusers – actually
> ordered UK flags flown at half-mast in honor of the noble Saudi despot.
> All of this took place at roughly the same time that Obama dispatched
> his top officials, including his Defense Secretary Robert Gates, to pay
> homage to the rulers of Bahrain after they and the Saudis crushed a
> citizen uprising seeking greater freedoms.

An example regarding Egypt's Hosni Mubarak:

> In 2011, Americans gathered around their TV sets to cheer the inspiring
> Egyptian protesters gathering in Tahir Square to demand the ouster of
> the brutal Egyptian tyrant Hosni Mubarak. Most TV announcers neglected
> to remind excited American viewers that Mubarak had managed to remain in
> power for so long because their own government had propped him up with
> weapons, money and intelligence. As Mona Eltahawy put it in the New York
> Times last year: “Five American administrations, Democratic and
> Republican, supported the Mubarak regime.”
> 
> But in case anyone was confused about the U.S. posture toward this
> incomparably heinous Egyptian dictator, Hillary Clinton stepped forward
> to remind everyone of how U.S. officials have long viewed such tyrants.
> When asked in an interview about how her own State Department had
> documented Egypt’s record of severe, relentless human rights abuses and
> whether this might affect her friendship with its rulers, Secretary
> Clinton gushed: “I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be
> friends of my family. So I hope to see him often here in Egypt and in
> the United States.”
> 
> How can anyone pretend that Trump’s praise for the Saudis is some kind
> of aberration when Hillary Clinton literally heralded one of the
> planet’s most murderous and violent despots as a personal friend of her
> family? A Washington Post Editorial at the time proclaimed that “Clinton
> continues to devalue and undermine the U.S. diplomatic tradition of
> human rights advocacy” and that “she appears oblivious to how offensive
> such statements are to the millions of Egyptians who loathe Mr.
> Mubarak’s oppressive government and blame the United States for propping
> it up.”

Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c537c6gcc2o -- It doesn't matter 
that the Trump administration concluded Jamal Khashoggi was likely murdered 
at the command of MBS (Mohammad Bin Salman, crown prince of Saudi Arabia). 
It's time to resume the previous public relations with Saudi Arabia where 
the US continues doing business with them. There will not be further 
investigation of MBS killing Khashoggi; the CIA got its information from 
Turkish tapes and that will be the end of any looking into this.

Remember that Hillary Clinton also did business with Saudi Arabian 
businesses and took campaign money from them, was photographed holding 
business talks in what was framed as her beneficially leveraging her 
considerable experience.

Germany cut off arms sales to the Saudis but will that resume too?

Former CIA agent and whistleblower John Kiriakou says the US could rightly 
demand that MBS has to go.








Assange/WikiLeaks

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/julian-assange-wears-out-his-welcome-in-ecuadorian-embassy-a-1239715-amp.html 
-- article on Assange's status including how he was secretly charged and 
this charge was accidentally revealed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b66kC78gK5w -- The UK's Metropolitan police 
are facing a lawsuit that could force it to reveal whether it holds 
correspondence with US law enforcement regarding 3 members of WikiLeaks' 
staff including 2 British citizens. Apparently employees' personal emails, 
calendar data, and login IP addresses were secretly shared with American 
prosecutors as part of an investigation into allegations of violating 
federal law.

Independent investigative journalist Stefania Maurizi tweeted in 
https://mobile.twitter.com/SMaurizi/status/1064795029540126720:

> Today 10 am #London First-tier Tribunal.Represented by @estelledehon and
> @suigenerisjen I will defend the right of the press to access the docs
> on @khrafnsson Sarah #Harrison @SwaziJAF to shed light on the US-UK
> investigation on @wikileaks pic.twitter.com/86TZByM58m



https://theintercept.com/2018/11/16/as-the-obama-doj-concluded-prosecution-of-julian-assange-for-publishing-documents-poses-grave-threats-to-press-freedom/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Mthz_jvrQ -- The Intercept and frequent 
RT commentator Lionel remind us that Obama's Dept. of Justice concluded 
they couldn't prosecute Julian Assange without running into "The New York 
Times problem" (avoiding hypocrisy and chilling free speech by letting NYT 
do what Assange was being prosecuted for doing with WikiLeaks). Don't 
forget: Obama's DOJ was horrible to Assange--Obama's DOJ got the UK and 
Sweden to put pressure on Assange and slow-roll a known-bogus allegation of 
sexual misconduct against Assange which forced him to hole up in the 
Ecuadorian embassy. Sweden dragged out their investigation partially by 
lying claiming they couldn't interview Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy. 
The ultimate beneficiary was to be the US which would get physical custody 
of Assange; the US could then imprison and torture Assange for any 
information or extrajudicial punishment the US wanted to mete out.

By the way, where was the feminist reaction to this? Rape and sexual 
misconduct allegations are serious allegations but the US, UK, and Swedish 
governments used those allegations as a political gambit to try and scare 
or derail Assange and WikiLeaks from publishing documents which challenged 
and embarrassed international corporate power. I recall no marches in the 
street which championed taking rape and sexual misconduct allegations 
seriously; nobody in the womens' march sending virtue signals that these 
countries had better back their allegations with evidence and file 
appropriate charges or drop the allegations because they were baseless.



Dueling DOJs: will Trump's DOJ pursue a case against Assange which earlier 
DOJs knew they could not win (and good public policy says Trump's DOJ 
should not win)?

Putting the prosecution of Julian Assange into context:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrEVbrGozME -- RT's frequent commentator 
Lionel says WikiLeaks is "absolutely protected under the 1st Amendment" 
from successful prosecution by the Dept. of Justice (DOJ).

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/16/as-the-obama-doj-concluded-prosecution-of-julian-assange-for-publishing-documents-poses-grave-threats-to-press-freedom/ 
-- Glenn Greenwald also explains why and cites the Obama DOJ which reads 
the result of prosecutions against Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg.

Few people, including Democratic Party supporters, know about this history. 
Democratic Party supporters apparently back Trump's DOJ in its (one would 
hope fruitless) pursuit of Assange for publishing classified documents 
obtained and given to WikiLeaks illicitly. News of this prosecution was 
recently leaked or 'accidentally' revealed in another document (see 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jPKsiISnmY for more).

> Remarkably, the speech by Donald Trump’s hand-picked CIA chief and
> long-time right-wing Congressman sounded like (and still sounds like)
> the standard Democratic view when they urge the Trump administration to
> prosecute Assange. But at the time of Pompeo’s speech, Obama DOJ
> spokesman Matt Miller insisted to me that such promises to prosecute
> Assange were “hollow,” because the First Amendment would bar such
> prosecutions:
> 
> it's also hollow. DOJ knows it can't win a case against someone just for
> publishing secrets.
> 
> — Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) April 13, 2017 
> https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/852636857741578242
> 
> But the grand irony is that many Democrats will side with the Trump DOJ
> over the Obama DOJ. Their emotional, personal contempt for Assange – due
> to their belief that he helped defeat Hillary Clinton: the gravest crime
> – easily outweighs any concerns about the threats posed to press
> freedoms by the Trump administration’s attempts to criminalize the
> publication of documents.
> 
> This reflects the broader irony of the Trump era for Democrats. While
> they claim out of one side of their mouth to find the Trump
> administration’s authoritarianism and press freedom attacks so
> repellent, they use the other side of their mouth to parrot the
> authoritarian mentality of Jeff Sessions and Mike Pompeo that anyone who
> published documents harmful to Hillary or which have been deemed
> “classified” by the U.S. Government ought to go to prison.




Labor & Economy: Amazon deal is not good for the public but great for Amazon.

https://therealnews.com/stories/amazon-gets-3-billion-in-ny-tax-breaks-while-underfunded-public-transport-enters-death-spiral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlECXGQfVyY -- Amazon gets $3 billion in 
New York state, city tax breaks while underfunded public transport enters a 
"death spiral", and yes, the rent is too damn high (recalling the pithy 
71-year-old James McMillan III). Ben Norton interviews Prof. Richard Wolff. 
Video on youtube.com link, transcript should be published at 
https://therealnews.com/stories/amazon-gets-3-billion-in-ny-tax-breaks-while-underfunded-public-transport-enters-death-spiral

Gentrification was already underway in New York City and will likely 
accelerate under coming Amazon's "HQ2" (2nd headquarters) just like it did 
in Seattle under multiple tech companies setting up headquarters there.

This interview offers some of the same larger points as RT's Wolff 
interview but with a more clear context:

- Jobs: Norton points out the low number of jobs NY gains for their $3bn 
one-way gift to Amazon -- 25,000. In 2017 NYC gained over 72,000 new jobs. 
Therefore that money effectively buys NY (city and state) about 4 months of 
job growth going by how many jobs were added in 2017, well prior to 
Amazon's deal. That's a remarkably low number of jobs for such a large 
amount of money. It's not even clear if the 25,000 jobs are new jobs or if 
Amazon will shift workers from one location to HQ2 (remember how Amazon 
raised the minimum wage for workers? They canceled bonuses for higher-paid 
workers, in effect moving money from one set of Amazon workers to another 
set of Amazon workers. This apparently let Amazon garner a lot of rosy 
press without costing Amazon much, if any, money). This means New Yorkers 
are subsidizing job movement for extant employees.

- It's also not clear if New Yorkers (city or state residents) will occupy 
those jobs: there's no requirement that Amazon hire only city or state 
residents, there's no incentive for Amazon to hire city/state residents, 
and the jobs could be remote-friendly meaning New Yorkers could be 
competing with the world for these jobs.

- $3bn comes with no expectations of payback or penalties to Amazon if they 
don't deliver the jobs promised in any particular timeframe. There's no 
profit sharing with NY city or state. Amazon is not required to give the 
city or state money in exchange for failing to live up to their own hype. 
This deal is hence more like a gift than an exchange; if one were 
purchasing goods or services from someone else they'd put terms into the 
contract detailing what happens if the goods or service don't live up to 
documented expectations.

- 1 in 10 NYC public schools lived in temporary housing during the last 
school year -- "Homelessness in New York Public Schools Is at a Record 
High: 114,659 Students" the New York Times reports in 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/nyregion/homeless-students-nyc-schools-record.html 
which means that (much like the national budget choices) homelessness is a 
choice Americans make and can afford to throw serious money at in order to 
end. NYC apparently could have spent over $1bn to address this, perhaps by 
simply giving housing away to homeless residents.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aidew3kSIk -- Kshama Sawant, Seattle 
councilwoman, on Amazon's defeat of a Seattle "head tax" which would have 
gone to benefit the poor (including Amazon workers who are on food stamps). 
Amazon's pressure against the all-Democratic Party city government turned 
the initial head tax victory into repealing the head tax.

Sawant rightly calls for democratic control over major corporations:

> In addition to taxing big business, in addition to citywide movements
> for affordable housing, we also need to talk about unionizing tech
> workers and all logistics workers -- all warehouse workers -- and I
> think we need to start talking about taking corporations like Amazon
> into democratic public ownership because it is very clear that these
> giant corporations have the power and the wealth to dictate to the
> entire city, to the entire nation, and even internationally. The only
> way to end that, the only way to combat this kind of complete imbalance
> of power is to take corporations into democratic public ownership and to
> run them in the interests of society and the planet.





Poverty & Exploitation: Haiti objects to IMF-friendly president Jovenel Moise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4akqBdood7E -- Country-wide general strike 
(8 deaths so far) objecting to Pres. Moise. IMF ordered Moise to cut fuel 
subsidies (which would result in a fuel price spike for consumers) in 
exchange for financial aid to Haiti. Moise complied and now Haiti is 
suffering even further. The Miami Herald quoted Philip Alston, the U.N. 
special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights who noted that 
raising the price of fuel would be

> guaranteed to lead to a backlash and bizarrely, undermine the very
> programs the fund is trying to implement.

from 
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article214982420.html

The price of gasoline went up 38%, diesel went up 47%, and kerosene went up 
by 51%. Also, Petrocaribe funds also went missing (embezzlement) resulting 
in an additional scandal (see 
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article221878135.html 
for video).

There is said to be video footage of protestors being shot and killed, with 
their bodies dumped in pig pens. Jeb Sprague, Sociology lecturer from Univ. 
of Virginia, said he got the videos via text and these videos have not yet 
been shared via social media.









Healthcare

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/20/medicare-for-all-healthcare-industry/ 
-- The Democrats will apparently play a critical role in stopping any 
progress toward Medicare for All.

> Internal strategy documents obtained by The Intercept and Documented
> reveal the strategy that private health care interests plan to use to
> influence Democratic Party messaging and stymie the momentum toward
> achieving universal health care coverage.
> 
> At least 48 incoming freshman lawmakers campaigned on enacting “Medicare
> for All” or similar efforts to expand access to Medicare. And over the
> last year, 123 incumbent House Democrats co-sponsored “Medicare for All”
> legislation — double the number who supported the same bill during the
> previous legislative session.
> 
> The growing popularity of “Medicare for All” in the House has made
> progressives optimistic that the Democratic Party will embrace ideas to
> expand government coverage options with minimal out-of-pocket costs for
> patients going into the 2020 election. But industry groups have watched
> the development with growing concern.
> 
> Over the summer, leading pharmaceutical, insurance, and hospital
> lobbyists formed the Partnership for America’s Health Care Future, an ad
> hoc alliance of private health interests, to curb support for expanding
> Medicare.
> 
> The campaign, according to one planning document, is designed to “change
> the conversation around Medicare for All,” then “minimize the potential
> for this option in health care from becoming part of a national
> political party’s platform in 2020.”




https://theintercept.com/2018/11/20/nancy-pelosi-obamacare-democrats/ -- 
Nancy Pelosi's real value: saving the ACA (Affordable Care Act, aka 
"ObamaCare") from dying. The article is overlong and doesn't do anything to 
help the reader understand that the ACA is criticized not for being 
"imperfect" but for being written by an HMO representative (WellPoint VP 
Elizabeth Fowler) and benefiting the HMOs. Medicare for All (particularly 
when phrased using that exact language instead of "socialized medicine" or 
"universal single-payer healthcare") is widely preferred in the US over any 
HMO-based medical care delivery plan.

On Medicare for All the article offers:

> Yet headed into 2019, she has already begun handcuffing a populist
> agenda and has proposed a rule — called paygo — that any new spending
> would need to be offset by tax hikes or spending cuts elsewhere. And she
> has put forward another rule that would require a three-fifths vote for
> any legislation that increased taxes on the bottom 80 percent of
> earners, a proposal that would rule out a wide swath of policies aimed
> at reducing inequality.
> 
> Meanwhile, she has taken to ridiculing the push to abolish Immigration
> and Customs Enforcement and is far from an ally in the fight for
> “Medicare for All,” urging Democrats instead to focus on reducing drug
> prices or making health care more affordable, the kind of incremental
> politics she rightly belittled in 2010.


https://theintercept.com/2018/11/18/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rashida-tlaib-justice-democrats/ 
-- Regarding the shameful prose at The Intercept about Rep.-elect 
Ocasio-Cortez:

> Now that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is transitioning from insurgent
> candidate to incumbent member of Congress, a major question on the minds
> of her soon-to-be colleagues has been whether she will continue the
> practice of endorsing primary challenges to sitting members of Congress,
> or whether she will work to ingratiate herself with the institution
> she’ll be joining.
> 
> That question was given a resounding answer on Saturday evening, as she
> gathered on a strategy call with volunteers from the group Justice
> Democrats, which played a key role in the elections of Ocasio-Cortez,
> Rashida Tlaib, and other representatives-elect.
> 
> Earlier in the week, Justice Democrats helped organize the sit-in at
> House Leader Nancy Pelosi’s office that Ocasio-Cortez joined.

At best, that question remains an unanswered question. A more realistic 
reading of that question would highlight that Ocasio-Cortez has never made 
any announcement about substantive issues of the day including war. We just 
won't know where she stands when it comes to votes on important issues 
until she makes those votes.

War: it's not clear where she stands on the US's many wars because not a 
lot has been said about them.

Education: She's said "[f]or the cost of the GOP's tax bill, we could 
forgive ALL the student loan debt in the United States." but when similar 
words were said by the Green Party's Jill Stein, the sycophantic John 
Oliver was one of the few to respond at all and he said that was 
unrealistic. I don't take him seriously on that point, I mention his 
reaction because I think it indicates who is really in charge here--the big 
banks--and his view was apparently allowed to stand unchallenged by most (I 
disagreed in an article I wrote for CounterPunch.org). In fact, Oliver's 
view was allowed to justify dismissing Stein's entire presidential campaign 
on that sole point--that Dr. Stein thought it right and proper to cancel 
all student loan debt through having the Federal Reserve buy the debt and 
promise never to collect on it, effectively ending it.

Environment: The so-called "Green New Deal" which some Democrats seem 
interested in now was previously promoted by the Green Party including Jill 
Stein's campaign. The recent protest in Rep. Nancy Pelosi's D.C. office 
seems to have been followed up with nothing. Yet Ocasio-Cortez is receiving 
glowing praise for the photo-op and strong words in her post-protest 
strategy call with volunteers (including in The Intercept's article linked 
above).

Healthcare: Ocasio-Cortez supports "transitioning" to a single-payer 
healthcare system but so do other Democrats that have used that language to 
buy time while HR676 (Medicare for All) sits on the metaphorical shelf, 
never being brought up for a vote even when Congress is a majority 
Democratic and with a Democratic Party president. HR676 is soon-to-be 
former Rep. John Conyers' legislation. It's not clear if Conyers' 
replacement, Rashida Tlaib, will continue HR676 or drop it perhaps 
replacing it with something amenable to the HMOs (just as the Obama 
administration did with its call for single-payer and the vague "public 
option" in the Sen. Max Baucus-headed healthcare talks). Baucus received a 
great deal of HMO payback for doing so well for the HMOs during those 
talks. There's even a photo of former WellPoint VP Elizabeth Fowler sitting 
behind her boss, Sen. Max Baucus, as he announced in 2009 that the health 
care bill (the "ACA" commonly known as "ObamaCare") will have no public 
option. As Glenn Greenwald points out, Fowler wrote the ACA:

 From 
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamacare-fowler-lobbyist-industry1

> When the legislation that became known as "Obamacare" was first drafted,
> the key legislator was the Democratic Chairman of the Senate Finance
> Committee, Max Baucus, whose committee took the lead in drafting the
> legislation. As Baucus himself repeatedly boasted, the architect of that
> legislation was Elizabeth Fowler, his chief health policy counsel;
> indeed, as Marcy Wheeler discovered, it was Fowler who actually drafted
> it. As Politico put it at the time: "If you drew an organizational chart
> of major players in the Senate health care negotiations, Fowler would be
> the chief operating officer."








Police violence: Chicago PD killed 26-year-old father and security guard 
Jemel Roberson after Roberson chased down an armed would-be nightclub 
robber in the course of doing his job. The community sees another instance 
of an ugly pattern in which cops kill black men. The Chicago PD won't 
release the shooting officer's name or bodycam footage, nor will the 
Chicago PD confirm that there is bodycam footage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1w-igifBY -- Family, community want to 
know which officer is responsible for killing Roberson so they can pursue a 
lawsuit. The nightclub where Roberson was working had its license pulled 
(for reasons that are not clear). Before the cop shot Roberson, witnesses 
say Roberson had told the officer he was security and not to shoot. And the 
witnesses also told the officer Roberson was security and not to shoot. But 
the policeman shot anyway.







Russiagate: The insane gift that keeps on giving.

https://on.rt.com/9isx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YBDnmLCUMU -- "Masha and the Bear" is an 
animated cartoon series, a hit with children worldwide; it's the most 
viewed animated series in the world -- over 2 billion YouTube views on its 
main channel (including one piece which is the 5th most-watched YouTube 
video; British newspaper 'The Times' claims it has 40 billion views across 
13 channels).

Masha and the Bear is an independently-funded Russian-made animated cartoon 
series which is translated into many languages. The story is based on 
Goldilocks and the Three Bears and features a Russian girl, Masha, and her 
imaginary friend, a stuffed bear toy, in cartoonish adventures.

But the The Times claims the show is Russian propaganda and Masha is, to 
quote one so-called expert, "Putinesque" (I have no idea what that means).

Anthony Glees, intelligence expert, University of Buckingham:

> Masha is feisty, even rather nasty, but also plucky. She punches above
> her weight. It's not far-fetched to see her as Putinesque.

 From 
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201811211069988617-russia-eu-uk-cartoon-news-propaganda-reality/

> The Times article printed on Saturday entitled ‘Children’s show is 
> propaganda for Putin’[1] cites a reference to an interview with an
> Estonian professor, Priit Hobemagi last year which was then printed in a
> Finnish newspaper, Helsingin Sanomat. In the interview Professor
> Hobemagi, from Tallinn University’s Communication School, claimed that
> in the cartoon the bear symbolised Russia and was designed to encourage
> Estonian children to think well of Russia.
> 
> He said the beautifully presented cartoon was part of a campaign that 
> was dangerous to Estonian national security.

[1] https://archive.fo/Srjfl or 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/childrens-show-is-propaganda-for-putin-say-critics-j9wxcvslm 
for the source article.

One (allegedly controversial) scene from one episode shows Masha wearing a 
Soviet-era border guard's hat as she teases a rabbit who is pulling carrots 
out of the ground. Masha lightly taps the rabbit with a long stick and says 
"Don't move, I'll catch you!". This, we're told, is a metaphor for "how 
Russia protects its borders".

RT found a 2-second clip where one can see the Kremlin and another scene 
featuring a Christmas tree with a red star on the top of the tree (a Soviet 
red star or innocent tree decoration?), and another scene where Masha wears 
what the RT reporter calls "a traditional Russian hat".








Russiagate: UK is not immune -- a "large-scale information secret service" 
is underway to control public opinion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RoXEsTOPJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzCQPu9SWBc
https://on.rt.com/9j5t
Additional commentary on this topic from George Galloway in 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rF94xQZQI0 starting at 6m30s

Evidence for Russiagate accusations essentially boil down to American 
social media companies (Facebook, Twitter, Google) claiming some Russians 
spent thousands of dollars on social media ads during the US presidential 
race (where hundreds of millions of dollars must be spent to be heard at 
all) and somehow these ads put Trump in office. It seems quite clear that 
these claims can't withstand much scrutiny but it's no secret that election 
interference is real: the US intervenes in foreign governments and this 
hypocrisy upstages any Russophobic accusations the US makes. It's widely 
known that the US upends and assassinates democratically elected leaders 
and sometimes replaces those leaders with US-friendly stooges.

But has the UK been meddling in foreign governments via social media 
coordination amongst those who write widely-read articles (sometimes called 
"influencers")?

The group known as "Anonymous" says that this is underway and has uploaded 
documents (including WhatsApp screenshots) to back their claim.

Introducing the "Integrity Initiative":

Quoting the RT article:

> Anonymous has published documents which it claims have unearthed a
> massive UK-led psyop to create a "large-scale information secret
> service" in Europe – all under the guise of countering "Russian
> propaganda."
> 
> In a document dump[1] on November 5, the group exposed the UK-based
> 'Integrity Initiative'[2], said to have been established by the ominously
> titled Institute for Statecraft[3] in 2015.
> 
> The main objective[4] is "to provide a coordinated Western response to
> Russian disinformation and other elements of hybrid warfare." The
> Institute for Statecraft is affiliated with the NATO HQ Public Diplomacy
> Division and the Home Office-funded 'Prevent' program, so objectivity
> is, of course, at the forefront of their work.

[1] 
https://www.cyberguerrilla.org/blog/operation-integrity-initiative-british-informational-war-against-all/

[2] https://www.integrityinitiative.net/

[3] https://www.statecraft.org.uk/about-us

[4] https://www.scribd.com/document/392195560/II-Handbook-v2

> The UK establishment appears to be conducting the very activities of
> which it and its allies have long-accused the Kremlin, with little or no
> corroborating evidence. The program also aims to "change attitudes in
> Russia itself" as well as influencing Russian speakers in the EU and
> North America, one of the leaked documents[5] states.

[5] https://www.scribd.com/document/392195390/FCO-Application-Form-2018-v2

It's not clear if the Integrity Initiative had a hand in elections (in 
other words, foreign election meddling), but it's possible this tweet is 
indicative of the Integrity Initiative's work:

Colonel Pedro Banos was a candidate to become director of Spain's 
Department of Homeland Security. Col. Banos reportedly said:

> What Country has everything we lack? Russia. We've achieved nothing by
> provoking Russia.
and this kicked off seven-and-a-half hours of social media posts among 
several high-profile Spanish journalists within the secretive group 
including Nacho Torreblanca (@jitorreblanca) in 
https://twitter.com/jitorreblanca/status/1004711279536300032 who wrote:

Spanish (original text):

> Hilo: El Gobierno se dispone a nombrar al Coronel Baños, conocido por
> sus posiciones prorrusas y pro-Putin en los conflictos de Siria y
> Ucrania, Director del Departamento de Seguridad Nacional (DSN), un
> organismo clave situado en La Moncloa.

English:

> The [Spanish] government is preparing to appoint Colonel Banos, known
> for his pro-Russian and pro-Putin positions in the Syrian and Ukrainian
> conflicts, as Director of the Department of Homeland Security, a key
> body located at the Moncloa.

RT's article describes the conclusion for Col. Banos:

> Spanish media, such as El Pais, then reported on these murmurings 
> [social media posts]. Notably, members of the UK team, like MP Bob 
> Seely, are also listed in the Banos op document. The latter [Col. Banos]
> lost out to Miguel Angel Ballesteros.
It's not clear if Banos lost to Ballesteros as a result of the Integrity 
Initiative.




Russiagate: Another piece of Russiagate falling apart? George Papadopoulos 
says so and George Galloway concurs with Papadopoulos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rF94xQZQI0 -- George Papadopoulos now says 
the man who gave him information alleging incriminating information on 
Hillary Clinton -- emails from her account -- was not a Russian agent but 
really has Western intelligence connections thus making Papadopoulos a pawn 
of Western intelligence:

> In January 2017 it was unbeknownst to every American, especially me
> that:
> 
> 1) Joseph Mifsud is no Russian agent. He was western intelligence sent
> to entrap and make up lies.
> 
> 2) “Putin’s niece” is a fake
> 
> 3) Alexander Downer was not repping Australia
> 
> America deserves the truth
https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1065280332704804865

George Galloway agrees with Papadopoulos saying

> [Mifsud's] previous track record would indicate to me that he's much
> more likely a freelance opportunist for Western intelligence. There's
> the fact that he ran something in London called the 'Diplomatic Academy'
> giving an education to future generations of diplomats. It's unlikely
> that the British authorities would have allowed him to do so if they had
> thought he was a Russian agent. Moreover, he's closely tied to a woman
> who was three times a member of the Joint Intelligence Committee, that's
> the official Joint Intelligence Committee in the British state which is
> charged with bringing together intelligence material and presenting it
> to ministers. Again, the British state would never have allowed her
> relationship with him to develop if they had thought he was in any way a
> Russian agent much more likely that he was an agent, at least from time
> to time, of theirs.
Also cited as evidence for Papadopoulos' claim: Papadopoulos' short prison 
term (14 days).










Spoils of empire: Should the British Museum return items it obtained by theft?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egLFovdX4VA -- The British museum says they 
might lend items (such as Easter Island's "Hoa Hakananai'a" which was 
stolen in 1968) back. The list of goods is quite long and includes:

- Koh-i-noor diamond from the 19th century is claimed by India, Pakistan, 
Iran, and Afghanistan.
- The Parthenon Sculptures from the 19th century is claimed by Greece.
- The Rosetta Stone from 1801 is claimed by Egypt.









Celebrating Chomsky's 90th year

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/11/23/noam-chomsky-turns-90-how-a-u-s-anarchist-has-more-than-survived/ 
-- Bruce Levine on Chomsky turning 90 and remaining a highly influential 
anarchist.








Economy: Jobs that can be automated will be, if your job relies on doing 
something that requires little creativity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI73eqUvP9c -- Zume [pronounced "zoom"] 
Pizza said to be worth $2.25B with minimal human intervention and 
oppressive-sounding work environment despite a poor end product. What's the 
real product here? Patents covering the method by which ordered food is 
prepared in a food truck that parks near your home, prepares and cooks the 
food, and then a human delivers the freshly-made food shortly after you 
order it.

This piece takes a bit too much solace in that Zume's current pizzas are 
low-rated -- the crust is said to taste like 'cardboard'. The qualities 
described in making the pizza are all adjustable. There's nothing about 
making a fresh pizza that has to do with where the pizza is made; good 
pizzas aren't good because they're made in a building or a home. Good 
pizzas are good because they have higher-quality ingredients, an 
appropriate amount of toppings, cook for the right length of time in a 
properly and evenly heated oven, and are delivered to people while the 
pizza is freshly hot. There's nothing about this that couldn't be done from 
a food truck. So the underlying question remains: if this approach to 
making takeout food can eventually be shown to produce sufficiently 
high-quality food people will pay for, how will we deal with a reduction in 
staff?











https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJK2K08TWHU -- A Detroit judge declared 
female circumcision ban to be unconstitutional. The "regulation of practice 
is up to states, not Congress" and some of the charges against 8 
practitioners were dropped (including 2 doctors) for doing this to underage 
girls. This practice is widely banned around the world.

But this discussion conflates a number of issues that need to be separated 
and explained more so we can understand the facts at hand. As I understand 
it, "female [genital] circumcision" is the term used by supporters and 
"female genital mutilation" is the term used by opponents (contrary to what 
the introduction host said). Fuambai Sia Ahmadu, anthropologist and female 
rights activist, said that there were multiple types of female circumcision 
but we aren't told anything about the details of this (this might 
ultimately not be needed but if one is going to bring it up as though it 
were relevant we might as well come to see if this is really a 
distractionary ruse which ignores a more fundamental problem or relevant 
information for ourselves). It's not clear if this is being done to people 
(adults or children) against their will (my understanding is this is known 
to be done to girls, minors, whom one would imagine cannot consent).

One of the discussants, Gina Loudon, in this piece drew a distinction 
between adults choosing to do this for themselves (calling that 
unproblematic "plastic surgery") versus one choosing to have this done to a 
child. She then followed this up with:

> So how do we let those values impose themselves on American values which
> are based on Constitutional and individual freedoms, and certainly
> genitally mutilating a child without their ability to even consent as an
> adult is not an American value.
which is problematic in that values don't "impose themselves" on anyone 
because people choose what to do to themselves and others, and unusual in 
that the neutrality of her language (talking about "a child" rather than "a 
girl") doesn't get into how commonly male genital circumcision/mutilation 
is performed and whether the reasons for that are widely-believed but 
ultimately specious.







Economy & Climate change: Unprecedented fires in CA, the ruse of a 'carbon 
tax', and how consumers paying more won't fix underlying structural 
problems of a fossil fuel economy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIEJTgKhhAI -- Interview with Food and 
Water Watch's co-director Scott Edwards regarding the state of a largely 
lightly-regulated food and water systems (GMO foods get a light touch 
regarding proving safety including labeling, waterway regulation including 
lead in drinking water) and how a lack of democratic process results in 
benefits to a small handful of corporate interests at the cost of the great 
many in the public (recall that the Flint, MI water change happened by an 
unelected body deciding to "save money").









Free speech or coddling students? UK University tells staff not to write in 
all caps because it might worry students. Another university worries about 
offending "particular races or cultures" including cowboys, ISIS bombers, 
and Nazis.

The moral of the story: censorship is okay if you frame it in the language 
of sensitivity.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1046977/university-lecturers-not-to-use-cap-letters-student-failure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvI071_5WlY -- I couldn't have made this up.

> Staff at Leeds Trinity's school of journalism have also been told to
> "write in a helpful, warm tone, avoiding officious language and negative
> instructions". Some blasted the move as "more academic mollycoddling" of
> the snowflake generation. An "enhancing student understanding,
> engagement and achievement" memo lists dos and don'ts - with "do" and
> "don't" among words frowned upon.

Apparently this isn't the first time this kind of thing has happened:

- Univ. of Manchester Students' Union bans clapping in favor of silently 
shaking one's hands about (called "jazz hands")
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-45717841

Being done out of consideration for others, if you believe the sales pitch: 
"We should all aspire to improve our public spaces so that all members of 
society feel comfortable and able to contribute fully."

- Univ. of Kent student union issues fancy dress guidelines
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-45826809

> Kent Union, which represents students from the University of Kent, said 
> outfits which threaten others' rights to "a safe space" should not be 
> worn.
> 
> Banned costumes include cowboys, Native Americans, priests and 
> Mexicans.
> 
> The union said the draft guidelines were in response to "complaints" in 
> recent years.
> 
> In the guidance, which has been circulated to student groups, the union 
> says it will not tolerate behaviours that seek to offend a "particular 
> race or culture".
> 
> Students are warned against using props, such as maracas, to "emphasise 
> racial stereotypes".
> 
> They are also told not dress as "any influential black person with black
> face paint (black face)".
> 
> Also on the banned list are costumes which centre around historical
> events that "degrade someone's ancestry in a derogatory way", such as
> "the Crusades, Nazi uniform, ISIS bomber and The Prophet Mohammed (peace
> be upon him)".
> 
> According to the union, acceptable costume choices include cartoon
> characters, letters of the alphabet, cave people and aliens.

Won't someone please think of the...cowboys?




Speaking of the cowboys...

Surveillance state: Cameras are being hidden in streetlights. Why? Probably 
not for your safety but for gleaning something you might do that can be 
used against you, or something from which the state can profit (spying is 
big business nowadays).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrX0p5WoT44 -- The Texas company "Cowboy 
Streetlight Concealments LLC" is hiding cameras in streetlights at the 
behest of the DEA and ICE.

-J

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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Sat Nov 24 15:39:03 2018
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Indeed !

Thanks for posting this. I have been following these developments, including the organizations who have filed constant lawsuits, for some time now.

It simply amazes me how when I have shared this information in the past with liberal Democrats I know who enthusiastically supported Bernie Sanders, that it seems of no concern to them. They should be focusing and speaking out about this and all of the other election fraud and disenfranchisement that occurs ( and in fact seems to be now institutionalized and accepted ).
Instead, many of them are obsessed with every moronic tweet by Trump and the Russia Gate fantasy ( although I have seen and heard little about that lately ).

For more info about this, check out ; " Election Justice U.S.A. " and www.votetrust.org  

David J. 

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Elections: Ballot mishandling is purposeful and planned

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/campaigns-elections/new-york-city-purged-voters-2016-it-wasnt-mistake.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T0Is5AZW9M
Video of Broward County, Florida ballot mishandling including:

- transporting ballots without supervision (there's nobody to see what 
happens to the ballots)

- blocking candidate ballot observers from seeing what's going on with the 
ballots (preventing the observer from doing their job)

- separating ballots according to mysterious criteria (why not feed all of 
the ballots into a ballot reader machine?)

The video Niko House talks about (and seen in the aforementioned URL) is 
the cause of lawsuits and recount efforts in Florida now. Tim Canova is 
running against Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (yes, that Debbie 
Wasserman-Schultz) again and Canova is, thanks to unfair and illegal 
practices like those shown in the video, losing votes.

Broward County supervisor of elections Brenda Snipes is also back in the 
news; she admitted in court that she illegally destroyed all of the ballots 
in Canova's 2016 election. Thanks to rampant corruption she still has her 
job and is working with Wasserman Schultz again.



Exploitation: Poor Mexicans see a spike in type-2 diabetes due to replacing 
water with Coca-Cola.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNsCGrkyYHw -- Poor residents of Chiapas, 
Mexico drink about 2 liters of Coca-Cola per day because it's cheap, 
cheaper than water. We're told that here Coca-Cola is used as a form of 
currency for people too poor to pay for goods and services with money. As a 
result their blood sugar spikes beyond their bodies ability to handle it, 
and predictable chronic illnesses of obesity and sugar intake result: 
type-2 diabetes. One can expect predictable consequences of this corporate 
manipulation into what is essentially a large-scale food desert including 
earlier deaths.


Exploitation: California fires are an opportunity to exploit prisoners

30% of California's forest firefighters are prisoners
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/08/40-percent-californias-fires-are-fought-prison-inmates/

> Between 30 and 40 percent of California’s forest firefighters are state
> prison inmates. The state has become a tinderbox of sorts from a
> four-year drought, and roughly 4,000 low-level felons are on the front
> lines of the state’s active fires. Here’s what’s going on:
> 
> Why are prisoners fighting fires? For years, California’s prison system
> has operated a number of “conservation camps,” in which low-level felons
> in the state prison system volunteer to do manual labor outside, like
> clearing brush to prevent forest fires or fighting the fires themselves.
> A handful of other states have similar programs, but California’s
> program is by far the largest, with roughly 4,000 participants. At its
> best, the program is a win-win situation: Inmates learn useful skills
> and spend time outside the normal confines of prison, and the
> collaboration with Cal Fire saves the state roughly $80 million a year.
> 
> Participants make $2 per day in the program and $2 an hour when they’re
> on a fire line. That may sound paltry, though it’s not bad by prison
> standards: Many prison jobs bring in less than $1 per hour. In addition,
> for each day they work in the program, the inmates receive a two-day
> reduction from their sentences.
> 
> So these are convicted felons? Yes—the prisoners are typically low-level
> felons, all of whom have volunteered to participate in the program and
> have demonstrated good behavior in prison. Some convictions exclude
> prisoners from applying, like arson (surprise, surprise) or sex crimes.
> One benefit of the program is that it often breaks down racial barriers:
> “When people are incarcerated they tend to segregate by race,” says
> Hadar Aviram, a law professor and criminologist at the University of
> California-Hastings. “The fire camps are not like that. People who do
> not associate with each other inside a prison are willing to be friends
> when they’re at a fire camp.”
> 
> As California reforms its prison system and more low-level offenders are
> sent home sooner, the state may have to entertain the idea of including
> more violent offenders in the firefighting ranks.



This week's irony alert: George W. Bush was given the "Liberty Medal", an 
award "given for leadership in the pursuit of freedom" by the National 
Constitution Center. Not only is getting a minor boost here, corporate 
media sycophants want in on praising Bush as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL0M13CDFQo -- Comics have been remarkably 
supportive of the Permanent Government/Deep State and its apparent desire 
to rewrite G.W. Bush's image. All of the comedy news programs are hosted by 
comics and all of them except RT's "Redacted Tonight" spend most of their 
time either distracting people away from any critique of G.W. Bush's and 
Obama's policies (such as the many wars they got the US into and/or 
sustained), or these shows engage in minimizing those presidents illegal 
and unethical choices. The preferred form of distraction seems to be Trump 
Derangement Syndrome -- doing whatever they can to make the past seem 
brighter than it was so they can justify quips which aim to make Pres. 
Trump seem uniquely horrible. One pattern stands out -- looking back on 
G.W. Bush with rose-colored glasses:

- Joy Behar of daytime talk show 'The View' said "I like George W. Bush now!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yQd9O4MJTE

- Margaret Cho spoke with Larry King on his RT program ("Politicking") and 
she said she "misses" George W. Bush now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMooJf0FaJo

- Ellen DeGeneres had George W. Bush on her daytime talk show ("Ellen") to 
promote his art book. She danced with him, reminisced about his trouble 
wearing a rain poncho at Donald Trump's inauguration, and she took smiling 
promotional selfies with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK6D8rCj6eM

Stand-up comic Brooks Whelan came pointed out the shift in perception 
(which I'd call hypocrisy) about Bush around 18m49s into his Comedy Central 
stand-up routine:

> I want Obama to leave office just so he is liked again. That's what I 
> want him to leave. (audience laughs) You know what I mean? That's why I
> want him to leave. Just so he's liked again.
> 
> Because when you're president, you just get blamed for everything. Like,
> if someone loses their job, they're like, "Obama!" (angrily makes fist)
> Like...It's, like, no, you're a racist drunk at your job, dude. Like,
> that's why you got fired, like... 'Cause once you're not president,
> you're just an old celebrity, that's all you are. And that's the most
> fun thing to be in the world. Like, think about it, remember how mad
> everyone was at George Bush. Everyone was like, "He's killing
> everybody!"
> 
> And now we're like, "Look at what he's painting over there. (laughs)
> "Look at that. He's drawing his dad. Can you believe that?"

but then went on to stump for Hillary Clinton saying he wanted to see Bill 
Clinton have nothing to do and become the star of a reality TV show 
focusing on what he'd do with his copious spare time.





Hillary Clinton still in the news: she tells Europe to stem refugee flow to 
avoid 'populist politics'

https://on.rt.com/9j45 -- Quoting the article:

> Speaking to the Guardian as part of a series of interviews with “senior
> centrist political figures” about the rise of right-wing populism,
> Clinton mused that Europe “needs to get a handle on migration” because
> the influx of refugees from the Middle East and Africa in recent years
> is “what lit the flame” of support for anti-immigration political
> figures.

[...]

> The NATO-led ‘humanitarian intervention’ in Libya — a decision which
> Clinton herself was instrumental in making — turned what was once the
> richest country in Africa, into a failed state and hotbed for terrorism
> and the slave trade. “We came, we saw, he died!” Clinton exclaimed
> cheerfully upon hearing the news of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s brutal
> death, during which he was sodomized with a bayonet by rebels.

One twitter user (Ronan Burtenshaw (@ronanburtenshaw)) concluded she'd get 
another bite at the POTUS apple:

https://twitter.com/ronanburtenshaw/status/1065611722675953664

> She's running. And it's going to be a complete disaster. Again.

Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) pointed out in 
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1065619607606738944 :

> Clinton says Europe should make clear that “we are not going to be able
> to continue provide refuge & support.” Isn’t this the attitude we
> denounce Trump for? Speaking of irony, Clinton’s regime wars in Libya &
> Syria (& Iraq, indirectly) fueled the migration she wants to stop.







War: Support for war and "Being Saudi Arabia's bitch"

https://on.rt.com/9j5b -- Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) gets quite a supportive 
writeup on RT.com for what was called "a blistering criticism of President 
Trump" which was said to "shak[e] up the Dem Party establishment".

Tulsi Gabbard (@TulsiGabbard) wrote in 
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1065289231977738240 :

> Hey @realdonaldtrump: being Saudi Arabia’s bitch is not “America First.”

But how much of a divergence from the status quo does Rep. Gabbard really pose?

In January she was interviewed by Jeremy Scahill for his audio show 
"Intercepted":

Transcript: 
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/17/intercepted-podcast-white-mirror/

Audio: https://player.megaphone.fm/PPY1407171456

She talked about the DPRK sanctions and the (still ongoing) so-called 
"denuclearization" negotiations:

> Gabbard: I think the sanctions that have been put in place have been
> ineffective. If we look throughout history, through different
> administrations that have tried to enact sanctions to be able to spur
> these kinds of negotiations, they haven’t worked. You know, many of them
> because they either haven’t been put in place long enough to have an
> effect or they just simply were ineffective.
The sanctions aren't objectionable because they're "ineffective". They're 
objectionable because they're a form of economic warfare which harm the 
people of a country, not really its government. DPRK has shown they know 
how to get around the sanctions. They even show this off in interviews 
(such as documentaries where they have reasonably recent Internet-connected 
computer labs, for instance), but how about the people? How successful are 
ordinary DPRK citizens at securing their needs (not just high-tech needs, 
but food, water, healthcare, a livable home, etc.)? These should be the 
bases for objection to sanctions.

She comments on drone warfare:

> Gabbard: So, with these terrorist cells, for example, yes, I do still
> believe that the right approach to take is these quick strike forces,
> surgical strikes, in and out, very quickly, no long-term deployment, no
> long-term occupation to be able to get rid of the threat that exists and
> then get out and the very limited use of drones in those situations
> where our military is not able to get in without creating an
> unacceptable level of risk, and where you can make sure that you’re not
> causing, you know, a large amount of civilian casualties.

Drones kill civilians extrajudicially by design; literally anyone in the 
area of the euphemistically labeled "surgical strike" is killed. So clearly 
the term "surgical strike" is propaganda to deceive the US public into 
believing fewer people are being killed than really are (a clear sign that 
the US Government knows the American people are mostly anti-war and thus 
must be lied into war). The definition of "militant" seems to be any male 
of fighting age despite any evidence that that man fought the US. There's 
no US Government body count (the drone war is a secret war, after all) and 
the US Government does not know whom it is killing. The list of drone 
targets is ultimately determined without evidence, charges, trial, or 
debate and is arrived at singlehandedly by one person -- the US President 
-- in what are called "Terror Tuesday" meetings. The President is given a 
series of dossiers on candidates for drone murder (nicknamed "baseball 
cards") every Tuesday and then chooses whom to kill.

Here Rep. Gabbard is announcing she's a rank-and-file Democrat, really no 
different than Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders on war, despite Gabbard's 
objection to occupying Iraq and attacking Libya. These are relatively easy 
objections to make because they pose no real threat to power but give the 
speaker some seemingly beneficial-looking press. As we see with the 
objections to the ongoing US-backed Saudi Arabian war in Yemen, US 
representatives can vociferously object to the killing while doing nothing 
to stop those killings.

Peter Bergen in The New York Times 
(https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/president-obama-warrior-in-chief.html) 
wrote:

> Compare Mr. Obama's use of drone strikes with that of his predecessor.
> During the Bush administration, there was an American drone attack in
> Pakistan every 43 days; during the first two years of the Obama
> administration, there was a drone strike there every four days.
It's been said that Gabbard might run for US President. If she becomes the 
next Democratic Party representative, it seems reasonable to ask: if she 
were elected, would Pres. Gabbard continue assassinating people via drones? 
Her own statements to date indicate that she would. Or would she escalate 
that further beyond Pres. Obama or Pres. Trump's level of assassination?

In 2013, Gabbard stated:

> I applaud the [Obama] Administration for clarifying that drone strikes
> on non-combatant American citizens on U.S. soil are not and will not be
> authorized. I understand firsthand the value of using counter-terrorism
> warfare tactics and strategies overseas in dealing with 21st century
> threats. But these tactics should never be used against our own citizens
> here at home. Just as U.S. law enforcement strategies do not apply in
> war with a foreign enemy, drone strikes and other counter-terrorism
> tactics should not be targeting non-combatant U.S. citizens.
Source: 
http://gabbard.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-statement-on-the-administration-s-drone-policy

Source: 
http://mauitime.com/news/what-us-representative-tulsi-gabbard-thinks-about-republican-budgets-and-targeted-drone-killings/

Yet the drone war did kill Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen whom the US 
Government claims recruited and motivated people to work for al-Qaeda (but 
killed without charge, evidence, or any opportunity for inspection of 
evidence or rebuttal in a court of law). Two weeks later the US Government 
killed his 16-year-old, American citizen son Abdulrahman who had never been 
charged or convicted of any crime. Abdulrahman was killed as well as 
everyone he was having dinner with while he was visiting friends and family 
in Yemen. Both of these strikes occurred during the Obama administration. 
It's not known what offense Abdulrahman was said to have committed to 
deserve being killed, let alone killed extrajudicially. Both of these 
murders appear to be clear and straightforward unconstitutional due process 
violations. When asked to justify killing the minor, Robert Gibbs, Obama's 
press secretary, said Abdulrahman should have "had a more responsible 
father"[1] Under the Trump administration a SEAL team conducted a drone-led 
raid which included killing 30 people including al-Awlaki's 8-year-old 
daughter Nawar[2] and 10 women and children.

[1] 
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/how-team-obama-justifies-the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/

[2] 
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/

The bombing, droning, and killing civilians drove people into the arms of 
al-Qaeda[3].

[3] 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/in-yemen-us-airstrikes-breed-anger-and-sympathy-for-al-qaeda/2012/05/29/gJQAUmKI0U_story.html

In 
https://theintercept.com/2018/08/03/tulsi-gabbard-primary-challengers-hawaii/ 
Aída Chávez reminded us

> In 2015, she was one of 47 Democrats to join Republicans in passing the
> Security Against Foreign Enemies Act, a bill derived from heightened
> fear in the aftermath of the deadly Paris attacks which would have
> effectively blocked refugees from war-torn Syria and Iraq. (The bill did
> not make it through the Senate and never became law.)

When it comes to war and the effects of war, Rep. Gabbard seems rather down 
with the program, hardly a "blistering criticism" of anyone let alone G.W. 
Bush, Obama, or Trump's administrations and in no way "shaking up the Dem 
Party establishment" but instead confirming the Democratic Party's 
fundamental neoliberal and neoconservative choices.






War: Syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHfwxtUvdQY -- When will the US respect 
Syria's sovereignty? Probably not until Syria stops being useful to the US.







War: The war party "mistakenly" casts votes blocking a resolution on ending 
the war in Yemen.

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/16/yemen-war-house-resolution/ -- The 
Intercept tells us that

> Six House Democrats voted with the GOP to prevent any action
> on the Yemen war this legislative session. Two said they did
> it by accident.

More from Lee Fang's article:

> In a political maneuver that was equal parts bizarre and grimly
> predictable, Republican leaders on Capitol Hill moved yet again on
> Wednesday to block a vote to wind down U.S. military support for the war
> in Yemen, this time by tucking a parliamentary procedure into a rule
> governing legislation that removes gray wolves from the endangered
> species list.
> 
> The measure narrowly passed with a 201-187 vote, making it more
> difficult for the House to take action on the war in Yemen this
> legislative session.
> 
> What’s more, several of the co-sponsors of the Yemen resolution to end
> the war either voted to advance the wolf bill or abstained from the vote
> entirely, meaning that they played a part in preventing their own bill
> from reaching the House floor.
> 
> Adding to the confusion, two of the six House Democrats who joined
> Republicans in beating back the Yemen bill have told The Intercept that
> they cast their votes in error.
> 
> “Mr. Vela’s vote was actually mistake – we are in the process of
> changing it,” wrote Mickeala Carter, a spokesperson for Rep. Filemon
> Vela, D-Texas, who voted for the rule that prevented the Yemen vote.
> 
> Rep. Anna Eshoo, D-Calif., is a co-sponsor of the Yemen legislation,
> which invokes the 1973 War Powers Act to compel the Trump administration
> to remove U.S. forces from “hostilities” related to the Saudi Arabia-led
> intervention. Eshoo voted for the measure blocking her own resolution
> from reaching the floor, a move that puzzled human rights advocates.
> 
> “She is a cosponsor of the Resolution and made a mistake on the vote,”
> wrote Emma Crisci, a spokesperson for Eshoo’s office, in an email to The
> Intercept. “The Congresswoman is submitting a statement for the
> Congressional Record saying that she made a mistake in voting and meant
> to vote NO on the rule.”
> 
> Four other House Democrats — Reps. Gene Green and Vicente González of
> Texas, Collin Peterson of Minnesota, and Jim Costa of California — also
> voted for the rule to prevent the Yemen bill from reaching the floor,
> and did not respond to a request for comment.




War: Afghanistan war is long, making Afghanistan worse, but should 
continue, according to Rep. Jim Banks.

http://www.journalgazette.net/news/local/indiana/20181122/afghanistan-moredangerous-thanbefore-banks-says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inBGK0qfSRQ -- Rep. Jim Banks says 
Afghanistan "feels like a more dangerous place" today than was when he was 
stationed there in 2014-2015. RT piece saying that war and occupation make 
more "terrorism".

But Rep. Banks says this war should continue.

> Banks, R-3rd, led a bipartisan congressional delegation to Afghanistan
> this week to receive briefings and show support for U.S. troops deployed
> there. The lawmaker is a member of the House Armed Services Committee.
> 
> “I learned a lot and saw a lot that I didn't anticipate. The rise of
> ISIS-K is potentially a greater threat at this point than the Taliban,
> and that's a new development there,” he said in a telephone interview.
> 
> Banks and his six colleagues in the House arrived in Afghanistan on
> Sunday and left Tuesday about the time they learned of a suicide bombing
> in the Afghan capital Kabul that killed at least 55 people. The Taliban
> rebel movement denied involvement, and ISIS-K – also called
> ISIS-Khorasan, the Afghan affiliate of the Islamic State terrorist
> organization – is suspected in the attack.

But don't let that deceive you into thinking Rep. Banks is calling for an 
end to the war in Afghanistan.

> Banks called on President Donald Trump to visit Afghanistan, something
> Trump indicated this week that he might do.
> 
> “I think he would benefit tremendously by going to Afghanistan, seeing
> the situation on the ground. ... Not to mention going there to show
> support for the troops,” Banks said.
> 
> In a series of tweets on Tuesday, Banks urged Trump to visit Afghanistan
> and for his administration to issue “a serious progress report to the
> American people” on its 2017 strategy for South Asia.
> 
> Asked whether the Trump administration should add to the 15,000 American
> troops in Afghanistan, Banks said, “I didn't go there to play general.”
> He also said he was “greatly impressed” with the leadership of Gen.
> Scott Miller, the commander of NATO and U.S. forces in Afghanistan.
[...]
> “Until Afghanistan can have a stable government and a civil society, 
> which they will never have with the war with the Taliban, which appears 
> to be at a stalemate, it will be harder than ever for them to push out 
> ISIS-K or any other terrorist groups that reside within Afghanistan,” he
> [Rep. Banks] said.
> 
> “It remains a dangerous and tumultuous place, which is why our ongoing 
> efforts and commitment there are as important as they've ever been,” 
> Banks said. “That being said, the American people are weary of 17 going 
> on 18 years of the longest war in American history.”





War is up and all around the US, everywhere the US goes: Trump surpasses 
record for most bombs dropped in one year in Afghanistan: over 5,200...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIEJTgKhhAI -- ...and that's only through 
the end of September. The piece also gets into:

Cost of the "war on terror" so far: almost $6 trillion according to 
https://www.thenation.com/article/americas-war-on-terror-has-cost-taxpayers-5-6-trillion/

https://www.axios.com/global-terror-attacks-have-skyrocketed-since-911-34eec00f-ac8a-496f-8a30-3f3f6d054110.html 
says "Global terror attacks have skyrocketed since 9/11":

> There were more than 10,000 terrorist attacks worldwide last year — five
> times as many as there were the year of the Sept. 11 attacks, the leader
> of a new congressionally mandated task force on extremism told
> reporters.

[...]

> The incidents labeled as terror attacks include armed assault, 
> assassination, bombing/explosion, facility/infrastructure attack, 
> hijacking, hostage taking (barricade incident), hostage taking 
> (kidnapping) and unarmed assault.
> 
> Terror groups thrive on instability, a newly released report from the
> task force explains. Areas that have no solid governing power, are in
> the midst of a civil war or are suffering from a "breakdown of social
> order" are at the highest risk of fostering extremism.
> 
> * Per the report, 77% of conflicts in the Middle East, the Sahel region
> in Africa and the Horn of Africa "have a violent extremist element," up
> from 22% in 2001.
> 
> * But the damage brought on fragile states is only the beginning: "As
> more states suffer violent outbreaks of extremism ... international
> order unravels further."
> 
> * And extremism undermines regional influence and fuels chaos, the task
> force explains, allowing powers like Russia, Iran and China to exploit
> threats for their own economic and strategic purposes.
> 
> * Per the report, the U.S. "cannot compete effectively against China,
> Russia, or Iran as long as extremism fuels an arc of instability" in the
> region.
> 
> The bottom line: The report concludes that extremists are now focused on
> "establishing a new political order." The task force says the U.S.
> strategy must evolve into one of prevention, starting by strengthening
> the world's most at-risk states.
It seems to me that the "bottom line" is that the "war on terror" was meant 
to and is meant to create so-called "terrorism" (funny how our attacks are 
never called terrorism) and thus preventing us from experiencing another 
"enemies gap" as we were warned about so many years ago.

And the lack of indignation or anger over ongoing war. This is likely due 
to a Permanent Government/Deep State-compliant media that simply doesn't 
report repeatedly on war. If there's no "drumbeat" coverage, it won't 
matter. So the media is largely silent on war but they'll occasionally file 
something presumably so people can't complain there's absolutely no 
coverage. Any time there's a need for ramping up a new war we see the 
corporate media fall in line (watch clips from the run-up to the 2003 Iraq 
invasion for plenty of examples).










Economy: Anytime someone asks how the US can afford policy X, ask them we 
pay for it in the same way we apparently paid for the $21T the US DoD and 
HUD lost track of over 2 decades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yIwMC1NDzY -- Pentagon fails its first 
audit. Despite the Dept. of Defense's own inspection general report showed 
that $21 trillion had gone unaccounted for by the Pentagon and the Dept. of 
Housing and Urban Development over the past 20 years ("Redacted Tonight" 
remains one of very few media sources that covers this story).

What could we buy for $21T? Basically every national policy we want 
including Medicare for All, ending homelessness, annual guaranteed income, 
free (gratis) college for all, national jobs program where everyone works a 
living wage job if they want to work, and more.









US and Saudi Arabia: still doing business, Trump administration continues 
the same line as previous American administrations -- this relationship is 
a national security matter.

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/21/trumps-amoral-saudi-statement-is-a-pure-and-honest-expression-of-decades-old-u-s-values-and-foreign-policy-orthodoxies/ 
-- Glenn Greenwald on how Trump's continuing with Saudi Arabia is simply 
Trump repeating the exact same rationale used in the past (including by 
now-celebrated Obama & Hillary Clinton) to prop up and continue favorable 
relationships with world despots. Trump also gave (as Greenwald pointed 
out) his usual clarity in his speech leaving everyone informed as to the 
US' current position on the matter.

> Donald Trump on Tuesday issued a statement proclaiming that,
> notwithstanding the anger toward the Saudi Crown Prince over the
> gruesome murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, “the United States
> intends to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia to ensure the
> interests of our country, Israel and all other partners in the region.”
> To justify his decision, Trump cited the fact that “Saudi Arabia is the
> largest oil producing nation in the world” and claimed that “of the $450
> billion [the Saudis plan to spend with U.S. companies], $110 billion
> will be spent on the purchase of military equipment from Boeing,
> Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and many other great U.S. defense
> contractors.”
> 
> This statement instantly and predictably produced pompous denunciations
> pretending that Trump’s posture was a deviation from, a grievous
> violation of, long-standing U.S. values and foreign policy rather than
> what it actually and obviously is: a perfect example – perhaps stated a
> little more bluntly and candidly than usual – of how the U.S. has
> conducted itself in the world since at least the end of World War II.
> 
> The reaction was so intense because the fairy tale about the U.S.
> standing up for freedom and human rights in the world is one of the most
> pervasive and powerful prongs of western propaganda, the one relied upon
> by U.S. political and media elites to convince not just the U.S.
> population but also themselves of their own righteousness, even as they
> spend decades lavishing the world’s worst tyrants and despots with
> weapons, money, intelligence and diplomatic protection to carry out
> atrocities of historic proportions.
> 
> After all, if you have worked in high-level foreign policy positions in
> Washington, or at the think thanks and academic institutions that
> support those policies, or in the corporate media outlets that venerate
> those who rise to the top of those precincts (and which increasingly
> hire those security state officials as news analysts), how do you
> justify to yourself that you’re still a good person even though you arm,
> prop up, empower and enable the world’s worst monsters, genocides, and
> tyrannies?
> 
> Simple: by pretending that you don’t do any of that, that such acts are
> contrary to your system of values, that you actually work to oppose
> rather than protect such atrocities, that you’re a warrior and crusader
> for democracy, freedom and human rights around the world.

An example from the US arming and funding Guatemala's Gen. Efraín Ríos Montt:

> In April of this year, Gen. Efraín Ríos Montt, the dictator of Guatemala
> during the 1980s, died. The New York Times obituary, noting that he had
> been convicted of genocide for “trying to exterminate the Ixil ethnic
> group, a Mayan Indian community whose villages were wiped out by his
> forces,” explained that “in the panoply of commanders who turned much of
> Central America into a killing field in the 1980s, General Ríos Montt
> was one of the most murderous.” The obituary added: “In his first five
> months in power, according to Amnesty International, soldiers killed
> more than 10,000 peasants.”
> 
> The genocide-committing General Rios Montt was a favorite of President
> Ronald Reagan, one of the closest figures the U.S. has to a secular
> saint, after whom many monuments and national institutions are still
> named. Reagan not only armed and funded Rios Montt but heaped praise on
> him far more gushing than anything Trump or Jared Kushner has said about
> the Saudi Crown Prince. The Washington Post’s Lou Cannon reported in
> 1982 that “on Air Force One returning to Andrews Air Force Base [from
> South America], [Reagan] said Rios Montt had been getting ‘a bum rap’
> and ‘is totally dedicated to democracy in Guatemala.'”
> 
> At a press conference standing next to the mass murderer, Reagan hailed
> him as “a man of great personal integrity and commitment,” who really
> “wants to improve the quality of life for all Guatemalans and to promote
> social justice.” What about all those unfortunate acts of mass slaughter
> against Guatemalan peasants? That, said President Reagan, was justified,
> or at least understandable, because the General was “faced with a
> challenge from guerrillas armed and supported from those outside
> Guatemala.”

An example from how the US worked with Iraqi's Saddam Hussein before the 
2003 Iraqi invasion:

> Trump’s emphasis yesterday on the Saudis’ value in opposing Iran
> provoked particular anger. That anger is extremely odd given that the
> iconic and notorious photograph of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with
> Saddam Hussein took place in 1983, when Rumsfeld was dispatched to
> Baghdad to provide arms and other weapons to the Iraqi regime in order
> to help them fight Iran.
> 
> This trip, Al Jazeera noted when the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, all
> happened while “Iraq was at war with Iran and was using chemical
> weapons. Human rights abuses were practised on large sections of the
> Iraqi population.” The U.S. nonetheless “renewed the hand of friendship
> [with Saddam] through the special envoy Rumsfeld” because “Washington
> wanted Iraq’s friendship to stymie Iran” – exactly the rationale cited
> yesterday by Trump for continuing friendly relations with Riyadh (The
> Saudis “have been a great ally in our very important fight against
> Iran,” said Trump).

An example of Obama defending Saudi Arabia after lecturing India on 
tolerance and women's rights:

> As for the Saudis themselves, they have long been committing atrocities
> on par with and far worse than the Khashoggi killing both within their
> borders and outside, and their partnership with U.S. Presidents has only
> flourished. As the Saudis beheaded dissidents and created the planet’s
> worst humanitarian crisis by slaughtering Yemeni civilians without mercy
> or restraint, President Obama not only authorized the sale of a record
> amount of weapons to Saudi tyrants, but also cut short his visit to
> India, the world’s largest democracy, where he was delivering lectures
> about the paramount importance of human rights and civic freedoms, in
> order to travel to Riyadh to meet with top U.S. leaders from both
> political parties to pay homage to the murderous Saudi King who had just
> died (only in the last month of his presidency, with an eye toward his
> legacy, did Obama restrict some arms to the Saudis after allowing those
> weapons to freely flow for eighteen months during the destruction of
> Yemen).
> 
> UK Prime Minister David Cameron – perhaps Obama’s only worthy competitor
> when it came to simultaneously delivering preening speeches about human
> rights while arming the world’s worst human rights abusers – actually
> ordered UK flags flown at half-mast in honor of the noble Saudi despot.
> All of this took place at roughly the same time that Obama dispatched
> his top officials, including his Defense Secretary Robert Gates, to pay
> homage to the rulers of Bahrain after they and the Saudis crushed a
> citizen uprising seeking greater freedoms.

An example regarding Egypt's Hosni Mubarak:

> In 2011, Americans gathered around their TV sets to cheer the inspiring
> Egyptian protesters gathering in Tahir Square to demand the ouster of
> the brutal Egyptian tyrant Hosni Mubarak. Most TV announcers neglected
> to remind excited American viewers that Mubarak had managed to remain in
> power for so long because their own government had propped him up with
> weapons, money and intelligence. As Mona Eltahawy put it in the New York
> Times last year: “Five American administrations, Democratic and
> Republican, supported the Mubarak regime.”
> 
> But in case anyone was confused about the U.S. posture toward this
> incomparably heinous Egyptian dictator, Hillary Clinton stepped forward
> to remind everyone of how U.S. officials have long viewed such tyrants.
> When asked in an interview about how her own State Department had
> documented Egypt’s record of severe, relentless human rights abuses and
> whether this might affect her friendship with its rulers, Secretary
> Clinton gushed: “I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be
> friends of my family. So I hope to see him often here in Egypt and in
> the United States.”
> 
> How can anyone pretend that Trump’s praise for the Saudis is some kind
> of aberration when Hillary Clinton literally heralded one of the
> planet’s most murderous and violent despots as a personal friend of her
> family? A Washington Post Editorial at the time proclaimed that “Clinton
> continues to devalue and undermine the U.S. diplomatic tradition of
> human rights advocacy” and that “she appears oblivious to how offensive
> such statements are to the millions of Egyptians who loathe Mr.
> Mubarak’s oppressive government and blame the United States for propping
> it up.”

Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c537c6gcc2o -- It doesn't matter 
that the Trump administration concluded Jamal Khashoggi was likely murdered 
at the command of MBS (Mohammad Bin Salman, crown prince of Saudi Arabia). 
It's time to resume the previous public relations with Saudi Arabia where 
the US continues doing business with them. There will not be further 
investigation of MBS killing Khashoggi; the CIA got its information from 
Turkish tapes and that will be the end of any looking into this.

Remember that Hillary Clinton also did business with Saudi Arabian 
businesses and took campaign money from them, was photographed holding 
business talks in what was framed as her beneficially leveraging her 
considerable experience.

Germany cut off arms sales to the Saudis but will that resume too?

Former CIA agent and whistleblower John Kiriakou says the US could rightly 
demand that MBS has to go.








Assange/WikiLeaks

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/julian-assange-wears-out-his-welcome-in-ecuadorian-embassy-a-1239715-amp.html 
-- article on Assange's status including how he was secretly charged and 
this charge was accidentally revealed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b66kC78gK5w -- The UK's Metropolitan police 
are facing a lawsuit that could force it to reveal whether it holds 
correspondence with US law enforcement regarding 3 members of WikiLeaks' 
staff including 2 British citizens. Apparently employees' personal emails, 
calendar data, and login IP addresses were secretly shared with American 
prosecutors as part of an investigation into allegations of violating 
federal law.

Independent investigative journalist Stefania Maurizi tweeted in 
https://mobile.twitter.com/SMaurizi/status/1064795029540126720:

> Today 10 am #London First-tier Tribunal.Represented by @estelledehon and
> @suigenerisjen I will defend the right of the press to access the docs
> on @khrafnsson Sarah #Harrison @SwaziJAF to shed light on the US-UK
> investigation on @wikileaks pic.twitter.com/86TZByM58m



https://theintercept.com/2018/11/16/as-the-obama-doj-concluded-prosecution-of-julian-assange-for-publishing-documents-poses-grave-threats-to-press-freedom/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Mthz_jvrQ -- The Intercept and frequent 
RT commentator Lionel remind us that Obama's Dept. of Justice concluded 
they couldn't prosecute Julian Assange without running into "The New York 
Times problem" (avoiding hypocrisy and chilling free speech by letting NYT 
do what Assange was being prosecuted for doing with WikiLeaks). Don't 
forget: Obama's DOJ was horrible to Assange--Obama's DOJ got the UK and 
Sweden to put pressure on Assange and slow-roll a known-bogus allegation of 
sexual misconduct against Assange which forced him to hole up in the 
Ecuadorian embassy. Sweden dragged out their investigation partially by 
lying claiming they couldn't interview Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy. 
The ultimate beneficiary was to be the US which would get physical custody 
of Assange; the US could then imprison and torture Assange for any 
information or extrajudicial punishment the US wanted to mete out.

By the way, where was the feminist reaction to this? Rape and sexual 
misconduct allegations are serious allegations but the US, UK, and Swedish 
governments used those allegations as a political gambit to try and scare 
or derail Assange and WikiLeaks from publishing documents which challenged 
and embarrassed international corporate power. I recall no marches in the 
street which championed taking rape and sexual misconduct allegations 
seriously; nobody in the womens' march sending virtue signals that these 
countries had better back their allegations with evidence and file 
appropriate charges or drop the allegations because they were baseless.



Dueling DOJs: will Trump's DOJ pursue a case against Assange which earlier 
DOJs knew they could not win (and good public policy says Trump's DOJ 
should not win)?

Putting the prosecution of Julian Assange into context:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrEVbrGozME -- RT's frequent commentator 
Lionel says WikiLeaks is "absolutely protected under the 1st Amendment" 
from successful prosecution by the Dept. of Justice (DOJ).

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/16/as-the-obama-doj-concluded-prosecution-of-julian-assange-for-publishing-documents-poses-grave-threats-to-press-freedom/ 
-- Glenn Greenwald also explains why and cites the Obama DOJ which reads 
the result of prosecutions against Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg.

Few people, including Democratic Party supporters, know about this history. 
Democratic Party supporters apparently back Trump's DOJ in its (one would 
hope fruitless) pursuit of Assange for publishing classified documents 
obtained and given to WikiLeaks illicitly. News of this prosecution was 
recently leaked or 'accidentally' revealed in another document (see 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jPKsiISnmY for more).

> Remarkably, the speech by Donald Trump’s hand-picked CIA chief and
> long-time right-wing Congressman sounded like (and still sounds like)
> the standard Democratic view when they urge the Trump administration to
> prosecute Assange. But at the time of Pompeo’s speech, Obama DOJ
> spokesman Matt Miller insisted to me that such promises to prosecute
> Assange were “hollow,” because the First Amendment would bar such
> prosecutions:
> 
> it's also hollow. DOJ knows it can't win a case against someone just for
> publishing secrets.
> 
> — Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) April 13, 2017 
> https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/852636857741578242
> 
> But the grand irony is that many Democrats will side with the Trump DOJ
> over the Obama DOJ. Their emotional, personal contempt for Assange – due
> to their belief that he helped defeat Hillary Clinton: the gravest crime
> – easily outweighs any concerns about the threats posed to press
> freedoms by the Trump administration’s attempts to criminalize the
> publication of documents.
> 
> This reflects the broader irony of the Trump era for Democrats. While
> they claim out of one side of their mouth to find the Trump
> administration’s authoritarianism and press freedom attacks so
> repellent, they use the other side of their mouth to parrot the
> authoritarian mentality of Jeff Sessions and Mike Pompeo that anyone who
> published documents harmful to Hillary or which have been deemed
> “classified” by the U.S. Government ought to go to prison.




Labor & Economy: Amazon deal is not good for the public but great for Amazon.

https://therealnews.com/stories/amazon-gets-3-billion-in-ny-tax-breaks-while-underfunded-public-transport-enters-death-spiral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlECXGQfVyY -- Amazon gets $3 billion in 
New York state, city tax breaks while underfunded public transport enters a 
"death spiral", and yes, the rent is too damn high (recalling the pithy 
71-year-old James McMillan III). Ben Norton interviews Prof. Richard Wolff. 
Video on youtube.com link, transcript should be published at 
https://therealnews.com/stories/amazon-gets-3-billion-in-ny-tax-breaks-while-underfunded-public-transport-enters-death-spiral

Gentrification was already underway in New York City and will likely 
accelerate under coming Amazon's "HQ2" (2nd headquarters) just like it did 
in Seattle under multiple tech companies setting up headquarters there.

This interview offers some of the same larger points as RT's Wolff 
interview but with a more clear context:

- Jobs: Norton points out the low number of jobs NY gains for their $3bn 
one-way gift to Amazon -- 25,000. In 2017 NYC gained over 72,000 new jobs. 
Therefore that money effectively buys NY (city and state) about 4 months of 
job growth going by how many jobs were added in 2017, well prior to 
Amazon's deal. That's a remarkably low number of jobs for such a large 
amount of money. It's not even clear if the 25,000 jobs are new jobs or if 
Amazon will shift workers from one location to HQ2 (remember how Amazon 
raised the minimum wage for workers? They canceled bonuses for higher-paid 
workers, in effect moving money from one set of Amazon workers to another 
set of Amazon workers. This apparently let Amazon garner a lot of rosy 
press without costing Amazon much, if any, money). This means New Yorkers 
are subsidizing job movement for extant employees.

- It's also not clear if New Yorkers (city or state residents) will occupy 
those jobs: there's no requirement that Amazon hire only city or state 
residents, there's no incentive for Amazon to hire city/state residents, 
and the jobs could be remote-friendly meaning New Yorkers could be 
competing with the world for these jobs.

- $3bn comes with no expectations of payback or penalties to Amazon if they 
don't deliver the jobs promised in any particular timeframe. There's no 
profit sharing with NY city or state. Amazon is not required to give the 
city or state money in exchange for failing to live up to their own hype. 
This deal is hence more like a gift than an exchange; if one were 
purchasing goods or services from someone else they'd put terms into the 
contract detailing what happens if the goods or service don't live up to 
documented expectations.

- 1 in 10 NYC public schools lived in temporary housing during the last 
school year -- "Homelessness in New York Public Schools Is at a Record 
High: 114,659 Students" the New York Times reports in 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/nyregion/homeless-students-nyc-schools-record.html 
which means that (much like the national budget choices) homelessness is a 
choice Americans make and can afford to throw serious money at in order to 
end. NYC apparently could have spent over $1bn to address this, perhaps by 
simply giving housing away to homeless residents.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aidew3kSIk -- Kshama Sawant, Seattle 
councilwoman, on Amazon's defeat of a Seattle "head tax" which would have 
gone to benefit the poor (including Amazon workers who are on food stamps). 
Amazon's pressure against the all-Democratic Party city government turned 
the initial head tax victory into repealing the head tax.

Sawant rightly calls for democratic control over major corporations:

> In addition to taxing big business, in addition to citywide movements
> for affordable housing, we also need to talk about unionizing tech
> workers and all logistics workers -- all warehouse workers -- and I
> think we need to start talking about taking corporations like Amazon
> into democratic public ownership because it is very clear that these
> giant corporations have the power and the wealth to dictate to the
> entire city, to the entire nation, and even internationally. The only
> way to end that, the only way to combat this kind of complete imbalance
> of power is to take corporations into democratic public ownership and to
> run them in the interests of society and the planet.





Poverty & Exploitation: Haiti objects to IMF-friendly president Jovenel Moise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4akqBdood7E -- Country-wide general strike 
(8 deaths so far) objecting to Pres. Moise. IMF ordered Moise to cut fuel 
subsidies (which would result in a fuel price spike for consumers) in 
exchange for financial aid to Haiti. Moise complied and now Haiti is 
suffering even further. The Miami Herald quoted Philip Alston, the U.N. 
special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights who noted that 
raising the price of fuel would be

> guaranteed to lead to a backlash and bizarrely, undermine the very
> programs the fund is trying to implement.

from 
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article214982420.html

The price of gasoline went up 38%, diesel went up 47%, and kerosene went up 
by 51%. Also, Petrocaribe funds also went missing (embezzlement) resulting 
in an additional scandal (see 
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article221878135.html 
for video).

There is said to be video footage of protestors being shot and killed, with 
their bodies dumped in pig pens. Jeb Sprague, Sociology lecturer from Univ. 
of Virginia, said he got the videos via text and these videos have not yet 
been shared via social media.









Healthcare

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/20/medicare-for-all-healthcare-industry/ 
-- The Democrats will apparently play a critical role in stopping any 
progress toward Medicare for All.

> Internal strategy documents obtained by The Intercept and Documented
> reveal the strategy that private health care interests plan to use to
> influence Democratic Party messaging and stymie the momentum toward
> achieving universal health care coverage.
> 
> At least 48 incoming freshman lawmakers campaigned on enacting “Medicare
> for All” or similar efforts to expand access to Medicare. And over the
> last year, 123 incumbent House Democrats co-sponsored “Medicare for All”
> legislation — double the number who supported the same bill during the
> previous legislative session.
> 
> The growing popularity of “Medicare for All” in the House has made
> progressives optimistic that the Democratic Party will embrace ideas to
> expand government coverage options with minimal out-of-pocket costs for
> patients going into the 2020 election. But industry groups have watched
> the development with growing concern.
> 
> Over the summer, leading pharmaceutical, insurance, and hospital
> lobbyists formed the Partnership for America’s Health Care Future, an ad
> hoc alliance of private health interests, to curb support for expanding
> Medicare.
> 
> The campaign, according to one planning document, is designed to “change
> the conversation around Medicare for All,” then “minimize the potential
> for this option in health care from becoming part of a national
> political party’s platform in 2020.”




https://theintercept.com/2018/11/20/nancy-pelosi-obamacare-democrats/ -- 
Nancy Pelosi's real value: saving the ACA (Affordable Care Act, aka 
"ObamaCare") from dying. The article is overlong and doesn't do anything to 
help the reader understand that the ACA is criticized not for being 
"imperfect" but for being written by an HMO representative (WellPoint VP 
Elizabeth Fowler) and benefiting the HMOs. Medicare for All (particularly 
when phrased using that exact language instead of "socialized medicine" or 
"universal single-payer healthcare") is widely preferred in the US over any 
HMO-based medical care delivery plan.

On Medicare for All the article offers:

> Yet headed into 2019, she has already begun handcuffing a populist
> agenda and has proposed a rule — called paygo — that any new spending
> would need to be offset by tax hikes or spending cuts elsewhere. And she
> has put forward another rule that would require a three-fifths vote for
> any legislation that increased taxes on the bottom 80 percent of
> earners, a proposal that would rule out a wide swath of policies aimed
> at reducing inequality.
> 
> Meanwhile, she has taken to ridiculing the push to abolish Immigration
> and Customs Enforcement and is far from an ally in the fight for
> “Medicare for All,” urging Democrats instead to focus on reducing drug
> prices or making health care more affordable, the kind of incremental
> politics she rightly belittled in 2010.


https://theintercept.com/2018/11/18/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rashida-tlaib-justice-democrats/ 
-- Regarding the shameful prose at The Intercept about Rep.-elect 
Ocasio-Cortez:

> Now that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is transitioning from insurgent
> candidate to incumbent member of Congress, a major question on the minds
> of her soon-to-be colleagues has been whether she will continue the
> practice of endorsing primary challenges to sitting members of Congress,
> or whether she will work to ingratiate herself with the institution
> she’ll be joining.
> 
> That question was given a resounding answer on Saturday evening, as she
> gathered on a strategy call with volunteers from the group Justice
> Democrats, which played a key role in the elections of Ocasio-Cortez,
> Rashida Tlaib, and other representatives-elect.
> 
> Earlier in the week, Justice Democrats helped organize the sit-in at
> House Leader Nancy Pelosi’s office that Ocasio-Cortez joined.

At best, that question remains an unanswered question. A more realistic 
reading of that question would highlight that Ocasio-Cortez has never made 
any announcement about substantive issues of the day including war. We just 
won't know where she stands when it comes to votes on important issues 
until she makes those votes.

War: it's not clear where she stands on the US's many wars because not a 
lot has been said about them.

Education: She's said "[f]or the cost of the GOP's tax bill, we could 
forgive ALL the student loan debt in the United States." but when similar 
words were said by the Green Party's Jill Stein, the sycophantic John 
Oliver was one of the few to respond at all and he said that was 
unrealistic. I don't take him seriously on that point, I mention his 
reaction because I think it indicates who is really in charge here--the big 
banks--and his view was apparently allowed to stand unchallenged by most (I 
disagreed in an article I wrote for CounterPunch.org). In fact, Oliver's 
view was allowed to justify dismissing Stein's entire presidential campaign 
on that sole point--that Dr. Stein thought it right and proper to cancel 
all student loan debt through having the Federal Reserve buy the debt and 
promise never to collect on it, effectively ending it.

Environment: The so-called "Green New Deal" which some Democrats seem 
interested in now was previously promoted by the Green Party including Jill 
Stein's campaign. The recent protest in Rep. Nancy Pelosi's D.C. office 
seems to have been followed up with nothing. Yet Ocasio-Cortez is receiving 
glowing praise for the photo-op and strong words in her post-protest 
strategy call with volunteers (including in The Intercept's article linked 
above).

Healthcare: Ocasio-Cortez supports "transitioning" to a single-payer 
healthcare system but so do other Democrats that have used that language to 
buy time while HR676 (Medicare for All) sits on the metaphorical shelf, 
never being brought up for a vote even when Congress is a majority 
Democratic and with a Democratic Party president. HR676 is soon-to-be 
former Rep. John Conyers' legislation. It's not clear if Conyers' 
replacement, Rashida Tlaib, will continue HR676 or drop it perhaps 
replacing it with something amenable to the HMOs (just as the Obama 
administration did with its call for single-payer and the vague "public 
option" in the Sen. Max Baucus-headed healthcare talks). Baucus received a 
great deal of HMO payback for doing so well for the HMOs during those 
talks. There's even a photo of former WellPoint VP Elizabeth Fowler sitting 
behind her boss, Sen. Max Baucus, as he announced in 2009 that the health 
care bill (the "ACA" commonly known as "ObamaCare") will have no public 
option. As Glenn Greenwald points out, Fowler wrote the ACA:

 From 
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamacare-fowler-lobbyist-industry1

> When the legislation that became known as "Obamacare" was first drafted,
> the key legislator was the Democratic Chairman of the Senate Finance
> Committee, Max Baucus, whose committee took the lead in drafting the
> legislation. As Baucus himself repeatedly boasted, the architect of that
> legislation was Elizabeth Fowler, his chief health policy counsel;
> indeed, as Marcy Wheeler discovered, it was Fowler who actually drafted
> it. As Politico put it at the time: "If you drew an organizational chart
> of major players in the Senate health care negotiations, Fowler would be
> the chief operating officer."








Police violence: Chicago PD killed 26-year-old father and security guard 
Jemel Roberson after Roberson chased down an armed would-be nightclub 
robber in the course of doing his job. The community sees another instance 
of an ugly pattern in which cops kill black men. The Chicago PD won't 
release the shooting officer's name or bodycam footage, nor will the 
Chicago PD confirm that there is bodycam footage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1w-igifBY -- Family, community want to 
know which officer is responsible for killing Roberson so they can pursue a 
lawsuit. The nightclub where Roberson was working had its license pulled 
(for reasons that are not clear). Before the cop shot Roberson, witnesses 
say Roberson had told the officer he was security and not to shoot. And the 
witnesses also told the officer Roberson was security and not to shoot. But 
the policeman shot anyway.







Russiagate: The insane gift that keeps on giving.

https://on.rt.com/9isx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YBDnmLCUMU -- "Masha and the Bear" is an 
animated cartoon series, a hit with children worldwide; it's the most 
viewed animated series in the world -- over 2 billion YouTube views on its 
main channel (including one piece which is the 5th most-watched YouTube 
video; British newspaper 'The Times' claims it has 40 billion views across 
13 channels).

Masha and the Bear is an independently-funded Russian-made animated cartoon 
series which is translated into many languages. The story is based on 
Goldilocks and the Three Bears and features a Russian girl, Masha, and her 
imaginary friend, a stuffed bear toy, in cartoonish adventures.

But the The Times claims the show is Russian propaganda and Masha is, to 
quote one so-called expert, "Putinesque" (I have no idea what that means).

Anthony Glees, intelligence expert, University of Buckingham:

> Masha is feisty, even rather nasty, but also plucky. She punches above
> her weight. It's not far-fetched to see her as Putinesque.

 From 
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201811211069988617-russia-eu-uk-cartoon-news-propaganda-reality/

> The Times article printed on Saturday entitled ‘Children’s show is 
> propaganda for Putin’[1] cites a reference to an interview with an
> Estonian professor, Priit Hobemagi last year which was then printed in a
> Finnish newspaper, Helsingin Sanomat. In the interview Professor
> Hobemagi, from Tallinn University’s Communication School, claimed that
> in the cartoon the bear symbolised Russia and was designed to encourage
> Estonian children to think well of Russia.
> 
> He said the beautifully presented cartoon was part of a campaign that 
> was dangerous to Estonian national security.

[1] https://archive.fo/Srjfl or 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/childrens-show-is-propaganda-for-putin-say-critics-j9wxcvslm 
for the source article.

One (allegedly controversial) scene from one episode shows Masha wearing a 
Soviet-era border guard's hat as she teases a rabbit who is pulling carrots 
out of the ground. Masha lightly taps the rabbit with a long stick and says 
"Don't move, I'll catch you!". This, we're told, is a metaphor for "how 
Russia protects its borders".

RT found a 2-second clip where one can see the Kremlin and another scene 
featuring a Christmas tree with a red star on the top of the tree (a Soviet 
red star or innocent tree decoration?), and another scene where Masha wears 
what the RT reporter calls "a traditional Russian hat".








Russiagate: UK is not immune -- a "large-scale information secret service" 
is underway to control public opinion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RoXEsTOPJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzCQPu9SWBc
https://on.rt.com/9j5t
Additional commentary on this topic from George Galloway in 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rF94xQZQI0 starting at 6m30s

Evidence for Russiagate accusations essentially boil down to American 
social media companies (Facebook, Twitter, Google) claiming some Russians 
spent thousands of dollars on social media ads during the US presidential 
race (where hundreds of millions of dollars must be spent to be heard at 
all) and somehow these ads put Trump in office. It seems quite clear that 
these claims can't withstand much scrutiny but it's no secret that election 
interference is real: the US intervenes in foreign governments and this 
hypocrisy upstages any Russophobic accusations the US makes. It's widely 
known that the US upends and assassinates democratically elected leaders 
and sometimes replaces those leaders with US-friendly stooges.

But has the UK been meddling in foreign governments via social media 
coordination amongst those who write widely-read articles (sometimes called 
"influencers")?

The group known as "Anonymous" says that this is underway and has uploaded 
documents (including WhatsApp screenshots) to back their claim.

Introducing the "Integrity Initiative":

Quoting the RT article:

> Anonymous has published documents which it claims have unearthed a
> massive UK-led psyop to create a "large-scale information secret
> service" in Europe – all under the guise of countering "Russian
> propaganda."
> 
> In a document dump[1] on November 5, the group exposed the UK-based
> 'Integrity Initiative'[2], said to have been established by the ominously
> titled Institute for Statecraft[3] in 2015.
> 
> The main objective[4] is "to provide a coordinated Western response to
> Russian disinformation and other elements of hybrid warfare." The
> Institute for Statecraft is affiliated with the NATO HQ Public Diplomacy
> Division and the Home Office-funded 'Prevent' program, so objectivity
> is, of course, at the forefront of their work.

[1] 
https://www.cyberguerrilla.org/blog/operation-integrity-initiative-british-informational-war-against-all/

[2] https://www.integrityinitiative.net/

[3] https://www.statecraft.org.uk/about-us

[4] https://www.scribd.com/document/392195560/II-Handbook-v2

> The UK establishment appears to be conducting the very activities of
> which it and its allies have long-accused the Kremlin, with little or no
> corroborating evidence. The program also aims to "change attitudes in
> Russia itself" as well as influencing Russian speakers in the EU and
> North America, one of the leaked documents[5] states.

[5] https://www.scribd.com/document/392195390/FCO-Application-Form-2018-v2

It's not clear if the Integrity Initiative had a hand in elections (in 
other words, foreign election meddling), but it's possible this tweet is 
indicative of the Integrity Initiative's work:

Colonel Pedro Banos was a candidate to become director of Spain's 
Department of Homeland Security. Col. Banos reportedly said:

> What Country has everything we lack? Russia. We've achieved nothing by
> provoking Russia.
and this kicked off seven-and-a-half hours of social media posts among 
several high-profile Spanish journalists within the secretive group 
including Nacho Torreblanca (@jitorreblanca) in 
https://twitter.com/jitorreblanca/status/1004711279536300032 who wrote:

Spanish (original text):

> Hilo: El Gobierno se dispone a nombrar al Coronel Baños, conocido por
> sus posiciones prorrusas y pro-Putin en los conflictos de Siria y
> Ucrania, Director del Departamento de Seguridad Nacional (DSN), un
> organismo clave situado en La Moncloa.

English:

> The [Spanish] government is preparing to appoint Colonel Banos, known
> for his pro-Russian and pro-Putin positions in the Syrian and Ukrainian
> conflicts, as Director of the Department of Homeland Security, a key
> body located at the Moncloa.

RT's article describes the conclusion for Col. Banos:

> Spanish media, such as El Pais, then reported on these murmurings 
> [social media posts]. Notably, members of the UK team, like MP Bob 
> Seely, are also listed in the Banos op document. The latter [Col. Banos]
> lost out to Miguel Angel Ballesteros.
It's not clear if Banos lost to Ballesteros as a result of the Integrity 
Initiative.




Russiagate: Another piece of Russiagate falling apart? George Papadopoulos 
says so and George Galloway concurs with Papadopoulos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rF94xQZQI0 -- George Papadopoulos now says 
the man who gave him information alleging incriminating information on 
Hillary Clinton -- emails from her account -- was not a Russian agent but 
really has Western intelligence connections thus making Papadopoulos a pawn 
of Western intelligence:

> In January 2017 it was unbeknownst to every American, especially me
> that:
> 
> 1) Joseph Mifsud is no Russian agent. He was western intelligence sent
> to entrap and make up lies.
> 
> 2) “Putin’s niece” is a fake
> 
> 3) Alexander Downer was not repping Australia
> 
> America deserves the truth
https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1065280332704804865

George Galloway agrees with Papadopoulos saying

> [Mifsud's] previous track record would indicate to me that he's much
> more likely a freelance opportunist for Western intelligence. There's
> the fact that he ran something in London called the 'Diplomatic Academy'
> giving an education to future generations of diplomats. It's unlikely
> that the British authorities would have allowed him to do so if they had
> thought he was a Russian agent. Moreover, he's closely tied to a woman
> who was three times a member of the Joint Intelligence Committee, that's
> the official Joint Intelligence Committee in the British state which is
> charged with bringing together intelligence material and presenting it
> to ministers. Again, the British state would never have allowed her
> relationship with him to develop if they had thought he was in any way a
> Russian agent much more likely that he was an agent, at least from time
> to time, of theirs.
Also cited as evidence for Papadopoulos' claim: Papadopoulos' short prison 
term (14 days).










Spoils of empire: Should the British Museum return items it obtained by theft?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egLFovdX4VA -- The British museum says they 
might lend items (such as Easter Island's "Hoa Hakananai'a" which was 
stolen in 1968) back. The list of goods is quite long and includes:

- Koh-i-noor diamond from the 19th century is claimed by India, Pakistan, 
Iran, and Afghanistan.
- The Parthenon Sculptures from the 19th century is claimed by Greece.
- The Rosetta Stone from 1801 is claimed by Egypt.









Celebrating Chomsky's 90th year

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/11/23/noam-chomsky-turns-90-how-a-u-s-anarchist-has-more-than-survived/ 
-- Bruce Levine on Chomsky turning 90 and remaining a highly influential 
anarchist.








Economy: Jobs that can be automated will be, if your job relies on doing 
something that requires little creativity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI73eqUvP9c -- Zume [pronounced "zoom"] 
Pizza said to be worth $2.25B with minimal human intervention and 
oppressive-sounding work environment despite a poor end product. What's the 
real product here? Patents covering the method by which ordered food is 
prepared in a food truck that parks near your home, prepares and cooks the 
food, and then a human delivers the freshly-made food shortly after you 
order it.

This piece takes a bit too much solace in that Zume's current pizzas are 
low-rated -- the crust is said to taste like 'cardboard'. The qualities 
described in making the pizza are all adjustable. There's nothing about 
making a fresh pizza that has to do with where the pizza is made; good 
pizzas aren't good because they're made in a building or a home. Good 
pizzas are good because they have higher-quality ingredients, an 
appropriate amount of toppings, cook for the right length of time in a 
properly and evenly heated oven, and are delivered to people while the 
pizza is freshly hot. There's nothing about this that couldn't be done from 
a food truck. So the underlying question remains: if this approach to 
making takeout food can eventually be shown to produce sufficiently 
high-quality food people will pay for, how will we deal with a reduction in 
staff?











https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJK2K08TWHU -- A Detroit judge declared 
female circumcision ban to be unconstitutional. The "regulation of practice 
is up to states, not Congress" and some of the charges against 8 
practitioners were dropped (including 2 doctors) for doing this to underage 
girls. This practice is widely banned around the world.

But this discussion conflates a number of issues that need to be separated 
and explained more so we can understand the facts at hand. As I understand 
it, "female [genital] circumcision" is the term used by supporters and 
"female genital mutilation" is the term used by opponents (contrary to what 
the introduction host said). Fuambai Sia Ahmadu, anthropologist and female 
rights activist, said that there were multiple types of female circumcision 
but we aren't told anything about the details of this (this might 
ultimately not be needed but if one is going to bring it up as though it 
were relevant we might as well come to see if this is really a 
distractionary ruse which ignores a more fundamental problem or relevant 
information for ourselves). It's not clear if this is being done to people 
(adults or children) against their will (my understanding is this is known 
to be done to girls, minors, whom one would imagine cannot consent).

One of the discussants, Gina Loudon, in this piece drew a distinction 
between adults choosing to do this for themselves (calling that 
unproblematic "plastic surgery") versus one choosing to have this done to a 
child. She then followed this up with:

> So how do we let those values impose themselves on American values which
> are based on Constitutional and individual freedoms, and certainly
> genitally mutilating a child without their ability to even consent as an
> adult is not an American value.
which is problematic in that values don't "impose themselves" on anyone 
because people choose what to do to themselves and others, and unusual in 
that the neutrality of her language (talking about "a child" rather than "a 
girl") doesn't get into how commonly male genital circumcision/mutilation 
is performed and whether the reasons for that are widely-believed but 
ultimately specious.







Economy & Climate change: Unprecedented fires in CA, the ruse of a 'carbon 
tax', and how consumers paying more won't fix underlying structural 
problems of a fossil fuel economy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIEJTgKhhAI -- Interview with Food and 
Water Watch's co-director Scott Edwards regarding the state of a largely 
lightly-regulated food and water systems (GMO foods get a light touch 
regarding proving safety including labeling, waterway regulation including 
lead in drinking water) and how a lack of democratic process results in 
benefits to a small handful of corporate interests at the cost of the great 
many in the public (recall that the Flint, MI water change happened by an 
unelected body deciding to "save money").









Free speech or coddling students? UK University tells staff not to write in 
all caps because it might worry students. Another university worries about 
offending "particular races or cultures" including cowboys, ISIS bombers, 
and Nazis.

The moral of the story: censorship is okay if you frame it in the language 
of sensitivity.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1046977/university-lecturers-not-to-use-cap-letters-student-failure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvI071_5WlY -- I couldn't have made this up.

> Staff at Leeds Trinity's school of journalism have also been told to
> "write in a helpful, warm tone, avoiding officious language and negative
> instructions". Some blasted the move as "more academic mollycoddling" of
> the snowflake generation. An "enhancing student understanding,
> engagement and achievement" memo lists dos and don'ts - with "do" and
> "don't" among words frowned upon.

Apparently this isn't the first time this kind of thing has happened:

- Univ. of Manchester Students' Union bans clapping in favor of silently 
shaking one's hands about (called "jazz hands")
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-45717841

Being done out of consideration for others, if you believe the sales pitch: 
"We should all aspire to improve our public spaces so that all members of 
society feel comfortable and able to contribute fully."

- Univ. of Kent student union issues fancy dress guidelines
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-45826809

> Kent Union, which represents students from the University of Kent, said 
> outfits which threaten others' rights to "a safe space" should not be 
> worn.
> 
> Banned costumes include cowboys, Native Americans, priests and 
> Mexicans.
> 
> The union said the draft guidelines were in response to "complaints" in 
> recent years.
> 
> In the guidance, which has been circulated to student groups, the union 
> says it will not tolerate behaviours that seek to offend a "particular 
> race or culture".
> 
> Students are warned against using props, such as maracas, to "emphasise 
> racial stereotypes".
> 
> They are also told not dress as "any influential black person with black
> face paint (black face)".
> 
> Also on the banned list are costumes which centre around historical
> events that "degrade someone's ancestry in a derogatory way", such as
> "the Crusades, Nazi uniform, ISIS bomber and The Prophet Mohammed (peace
> be upon him)".
> 
> According to the union, acceptable costume choices include cartoon
> characters, letters of the alphabet, cave people and aliens.

Won't someone please think of the...cowboys?




Speaking of the cowboys...

Surveillance state: Cameras are being hidden in streetlights. Why? Probably 
not for your safety but for gleaning something you might do that can be 
used against you, or something from which the state can profit (spying is 
big business nowadays).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrX0p5WoT44 -- The Texas company "Cowboy 
Streetlight Concealments LLC" is hiding cameras in streetlights at the 
behest of the DEA and ICE.

-J
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 20:31:19 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 14:31:19 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Letter to N-G editor
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyHMWO60gam0P3uA-fo-BkPszc_6Ae+3qdz=y3HxYtM91A@mail.gmail.com>

In “Another Thanksgiving” (11/22) the editors write that in spite of
“general” affluence, “too many people suffer from a variety of maladies
that range from poverty and family dysfunction to physical and mental
illness … Let’s be sure as the Christmas season approaches to keep those
people in our hopes and prayers.”

The assumption is that “those people” are not among those “general”
individuals reading this editorial. Given the expense of a newspaper and
its lack of political interest in “those people,” this is likely mostly
correct. Nevertheless, it’s rude to talk about others in a room in which
they might be present, no less so in an objectifying and condescending
manner.

Moreover, poverty is not a “malady” but a structural condition enforced by
radical social inequality. This inequality adversely affects at least half
of us: those who are on the short end of federal policies, historically
supported by *News-Gazette* editors, that have seen four decades of
de-industrialization, “free trade,” de-unionization, enforced unemployment,
and decreases in federal and state funding for social programs—all in the
midst trillions for criminal wars, supported by the editors, and fought
largely by “those people.”

Certainly, the other “maladies” mentioned will always be with us. However,
the risk factors associated with them would be significantly decreased by
the very feasible elimination of poverty, the existence of which is a
political choice made by predatory capitalists and their acolytes in the
media and academia. In this context, appeals to “Christian” charity are at
best disingenuous.
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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Sat Nov 24 21:58:55 2018
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 15:58:55 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Letter to N-G editor
In-Reply-To: <CAOiGAyHMWO60gam0P3uA-fo-BkPszc_6Ae+3qdz=y3HxYtM91A@mail.gmail.com>
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WONDERFUL reply letter David !

 

David J.

 

From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of David Green via Peace-discuss
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 2:31 PM
To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Letter to N-G editor

 

In “Another Thanksgiving” (11/22) the editors write that in spite of “general” affluence, “too many people suffer from a variety of maladies that range from poverty and family dysfunction to physical and mental illness … Let’s be sure as the Christmas season approaches to keep those people in our hopes and prayers.”

The assumption is that “those people” are not among those “general” individuals reading this editorial. Given the expense of a newspaper and its lack of political interest in “those people,” this is likely mostly correct. Nevertheless, it’s rude to talk about others in a room in which they might be present, no less so in an objectifying and condescending manner.

Moreover, poverty is not a “malady” but a structural condition enforced by radical social inequality. This inequality adversely affects at least half of us: those who are on the short end of federal policies, historically supported by News-Gazette editors, that have seen four decades of de-industrialization, “free trade,” de-unionization, enforced unemployment, and decreases in federal and state funding for social programs—all in the midst trillions for criminal wars, supported by the editors, and fought largely by “those people.”

Certainly, the other “maladies” mentioned will always be with us. However, the risk factors associated with them would be significantly decreased by the very feasible elimination of poverty, the existence of which is a political choice made by predatory capitalists and their acolytes in the media and academia. In this context, appeals to “Christian” charity are at best disingenuous.

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From ewj at pigs.ag  Sat Nov 24 23:50:40 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 07:50:40 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at the
	border (Act Now)
In-Reply-To: <883A8B38-143F-47E3-A82D-7BFA33DCEB3A@gmail.com>
References: <93c5-b63-5bf5c348@list.winwithoutwar.org>
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Whether there should be a government and hence a border at all is a reasonable question.  Also one might consider whether the dynasty in the sense of area affected by a power is a crisp or a fuzzy set.  It does possess a radius and might be a ring or a disk or a spinning rod.

We have recently been dealing with an extremely serious transboundary disease African Swine Fever (look It up) which is forcing quarantines and the management of zones.  There are.many reasons to break through hedges.  hedgehogs are prickly for sure and there is pining for pork and for the fjords and the crisislers.

so many reasons to break the boundary, all of them sane.

governments seem to have an area over which they exercise control that seems to be statistical like eulers moments...he had his moments.

On Nov 22, 2018, 9:14 PM, at 9:14 PM, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
>Wayne—
>
>You can’t be serious. The proper course is to open the borders (as they
>were until after WWI) and make provision for the refugees, who’ve been
>driven out of their homes by US imperialism.
>
>And I miss the joke about the conservation of angular momentum.
>
>Happy Thanksgiving (in re the acceptance of refugees), CGE
> 
>
>> On Nov 21, 2018, at 7:58 PM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Well. the migrant caravan intent to storm the southern border of
>those Untied States is indeed best interpreted as an act of aggression
>by a organized foreign power and hence a threat to the federal
>authority and a challenge to the integrity of the border.
>> 
>> The only reasonable response is the exercise of deadly force with
>extreme prejudice.  
>> If there is no consequence to violation of the authority and the
>border, then there is no
>> reason to respect the authority within the borders, either.
>> 
>> The angular mass of  authority is  I=mr2.
>> 
>> If there is no border, then "r" deflates to zero and no matter how
>large "m" is, 
>> there is no effect.
>> 
>> *
>> Euler might be said to be rather inscrutable,
>> but he had his moments.
>> 
>> Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote:
>>> From: Mariam Iskajyan <info at winwithoutwar.org>
>>> Subject: BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at the border (Act
>Now)
>>> Date: November 21, 2018 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Ron,
>>> 
>>> This morning, news broke that the Trump administration issued an
>order authorizing troops at the border to use deadly force against
>migrants. This is not only horrifying, it violates the critical law
>that keeps the military completely separate from domestic law
>enforcement. [1]
>>> 
>>> This is one of the most dangerous things the Trump administration
>has ever done. Active-duty troops authorized to shoot people seeking
>refuge at the southern border not only terrorizes migrant families, it
>erodes our rule of law, and makes servicemembers political pawns. This
>is not just terrifying—it’s illegal and we cannot allow it to happen.
>>> 
>>> Together with our friends at CREDO Action, tens of thousands of us
>have taken action to demand Secretary of Defense James Mattis cancel
>and recall troops from the border. With today’s shameful and
>unprecedented news, we MUST keep the pressure on, and have our voices
>heard.
>>> 
>>> That’s why we’re issuing an urgent call to demand Sec. Mattis make
>clear that U.S. troops are not authorized to use deadly force at the
>border, and to bring the troops home immediately.
>>> 
>>> Sign now! Tell Sec. Mattis to make clear that U.S. troops cannot use
>any force against migrants. Period. Bring the troops home immediately.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This new order by Trump’s White House is dangerous on three fronts:
>it further terrorizes migrants seeking safety and refuge, it upends
>longstanding law, and it expands Trump’s rising authoritarianism.
>>> 
>>> The illegal order came from the White House chief of staff, John
>Kelly — who has no official military role. In other words, someone
>outside military “chain of command” is telling troops what to do.
>That’s deeply dangerous.
>>> 
>>> But Secretary of Defense James Mattis IS in the “chain of command.”
>He must use his official power to make clear that the military will not
>be used to violate the law. That’s why we must double down and demand
>louder than ever that Sec. Mattis reject any illegal or
>unconstitutional order, and immediately withdraw ALL troops, including
>the National Guard, from the border now.
>>> 
>>> Tell Sec. Mattis: Stand up for the rule of law. Reject the White
>House order and bring the troops home from the border NOW!
>>> 
>>> Ron, those walking hundreds of miles in pursuit of refuge have every
>right to seek asylum in this country. This holiday season we are
>opening our doors and tables to break bread with community, because we
>know we are stronger when we’re united. Not only should troops be at
>home for the holidays, but migrants seeking refuge and sustenance
>should be met with welcoming arms and open hearts—not bans, walls, and
>deadly force. Let’s do everything we can to take a stand against hatred
>and state violence today.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for working for peace,
>>> 
>>> Mariam, Michelle, Erica, and the Win Without War team
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> [1] Military Times, "White House approves use of force, some law
>enforcement roles for border troops"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Donate
>>> 	
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 23:56:51 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 17:56:51 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at the
 border (Act Now)
In-Reply-To: <38da44ca-27d7-4572-949e-2d4781e670dc@pigs.ag>
References: <93c5-b63-5bf5c348@list.winwithoutwar.org>
 <DE6F7148-6E57-45A5-9B15-EC2AE198EE48@illinois.edu>
 <d96e18e4-2611-a018-3491-245e5690dce4@pigs.ag>
 <883A8B38-143F-47E3-A82D-7BFA33DCEB3A@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <65106DB3-96F1-44E6-8478-C9BAB2B0493E@gmail.com>

"And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action."


> On Nov 24, 2018, at 5:50 PM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Whether there should be a government and hence a border at all is a reasonable question.  Also one might consider whether the dynasty in the sense of area affected by a power is a crisp or a fuzzy set.  It does possess a radius and might be a ring or a disk or a spinning rod.
> 
> We have recently been dealing with an extremely serious transboundary disease African Swine Fever (look It up) which is forcing quarantines and the management of zones.  There are.many reasons to break through hedges.  hedgehogs are prickly for sure and there is pining for pork and for the fjords and the crisislers.
> 
> so many reasons to break the boundary, all of them sane.
> 
> governments seem to have an area over which they exercise control that seems to be statistical like eulers moments...he had his moments.


From ewj at pigs.ag  Sun Nov 25 00:30:02 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 08:30:02 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at the
	border (Act Now)
In-Reply-To: <65106DB3-96F1-44E6-8478-C9BAB2B0493E@gmail.com>
References: <93c5-b63-5bf5c348@list.winwithoutwar.org>
 <DE6F7148-6E57-45A5-9B15-EC2AE198EE48@illinois.edu>
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Message-ID: <67b7653f-8960-4ed0-a903-1906f5ab5788@pigs.ag>

no pun on hamlet or sicklied...or sick...or lied either...

On Nov 25, 2018, 7:56 AM, at 7:56 AM, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
>"And thus the native hue of resolution
>Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
>And enterprises of great pitch and moment
>With this regard their currents turn awry
>And lose the name of action."
>
>
>> On Nov 24, 2018, at 5:50 PM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Whether there should be a government and hence a border at all is a
>reasonable question.  Also one might consider whether the dynasty in
>the sense of area affected by a power is a crisp or a fuzzy set.  It
>does possess a radius and might be a ring or a disk or a spinning rod.
>> 
>> We have recently been dealing with an extremely serious transboundary
>disease African Swine Fever (look It up) which is forcing quarantines
>and the management of zones.  There are.many reasons to break through
>hedges.  hedgehogs are prickly for sure and there is pining for pork
>and for the fjords and the crisislers.
>> 
>> so many reasons to break the boundary, all of them sane.
>> 
>> governments seem to have an area over which they exercise control
>that seems to be statistical like eulers moments...he had his moments.
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 03:32:24 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 21:32:24 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at the
 border (Act Now)
In-Reply-To: <67b7653f-8960-4ed0-a903-1906f5ab5788@pigs.ag>
References: <93c5-b63-5bf5c348@list.winwithoutwar.org>
 <DE6F7148-6E57-45A5-9B15-EC2AE198EE48@illinois.edu>
 <d96e18e4-2611-a018-3491-245e5690dce4@pigs.ag>
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Message-ID: <82E707AF-2D0B-426D-8FB2-BA7986ADC18F@gmail.com>

But Euler’s pitch had its moment. 

No day off: “Euler?…Euler?…Euler?”


> On Nov 24, 2018, at 6:30 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
> 
> no pun on hamlet or sicklied...or sick...or lied either…

> On Nov 25, 2018, at 7:56 AM, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
> "And thus the native hue of resolution
> Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
> And enterprises of great pitch and moment
> With this regard their currents turn awry
> And lose the name of action."
> 
> 
>  On Nov 24, 2018, at 5:50 PM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>  
>  Whether there should be a government and hence a border at all is a reasonable question.  Also one might consider whether the dynasty in the sense of area affected by a power is a crisp or a fuzzy set.  It does possess a radius and might be a ring or a disk or a spinning rod.
>  
>  We have recently been dealing with an extremely serious transboundary disease African Swine Fever (look It up) which is forcing quarantines and the management of zones.  There are.many reasons to break through hedges.  hedgehogs are prickly for sure and there is pining for pork and for the fjords and the crisislers.
>  
>  so many reasons to break the boundary, all of them sane.
>  
>  governments seem to have an area over which they exercise control that seems to be statistical like eulers moments...he had his moments.
> 


From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sun Nov 25 05:35:18 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 05:35:18 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Democrats going nuclear to rein in Trump's arms
	buildup
References: <7803D4B6-1977-446B-8DB8-6EE618CD164B@illinois.edu>
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From: "Szoke, Ron" <r-szoke at illinois.edu<mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>>
Subject: Democrats going nuclear to rein in Trump's arms buildup
Date: November 24, 2018

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/24/the-democrats-nuclear-options-966502


Democrats going nuclear to rein in Trump's arms buildup
Control of the House will give them 'the power of no — the ability to block programs, cut funding, withhold agreement.'
By BRYAN BENDER<https://www.politico.com/staff/bryan-bender>

11/24/2018 07:15 AM EST
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Democrats preparing to take over the House are aiming to roll back what they see as President Donald Trump's overly aggressive nuclear strategy.

Their goals include eliminating money for Trump’s planned expansion of the U.S. atomic arsenal, including a new long-range ballistic missile and development of a smaller, battlefield nuclear bomb that critics say is more likely than a traditional nuke to be used in combat.

They also want to stymie the administration's efforts to unravel arms control pacts with Russia. And they even aim to dilute Trump's sole authority to order the use of nuclear arms, following the president’s threats to unleash “fire and fury” on North Korea and other loose talk about doomsday weapons.

The incoming House majority will have lots of leverage, even with control of only one chamber in the Capitol, veterans of nuclear policy say. They point to precedents in which a Democratic-controlled House cut funding for Ronald Reagan’s MX nuclear missile and a Democratic-led Congress canceled the development of a new atomic warhead under George W. Bush.

"They can block funding for weapon systems," said Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association in Washington. "The Democrats’ ascendancy will prove a much-needed check on the Trump administration's nuclear weapons policy and approaches."

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Leading the charge is Rep. Adam Smith of Washington state, who is set to become the first progressive in decades to run the House Armed Services Committee, which is responsible for setting defense policy through the annual National Defense Authorization Act.

Smith has long criticized both President Barack Obama and Trump’s $1.2 trillion, 30-year plan to upgrade all three legs of the nuclear triad — land-based missiles, submarines and bombers — as both unaffordable and dangerous overkill.

He's made it clear in recent days that revamping the nation's nuclear strategy will be one of his top priorities come January, when he is widely expected to take the gavel of the largest committee in Congress.

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"The rationale for the triad I don't think exists anymore. The rationale for the numbers of nuclear weapons doesn't exist anymore," Smith told the Ploughshares Fund, a disarmament group, at a recent gathering of the Democratic Party's nuclear policy establishment.

The day-long conference included leading lawmakers, former National Security Council aides, peace activists and an ex-secretary of defense, William Perry, who was once an architect of many of the nation's nuclear weapons but is now a leading proponent<https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/william-perry-nuclear-weapons-proliferation-214604> for a major downsizing.

Arms control and disarmament groups see Smith's emergence as a once-in-a-generation opportunity to craft a much more sensible approach to nuclear weapons and reduce the danger of a global conflict.

The mere appearance of a would-be Armed Services chairman at the recent gathering demonstrated how much circumstances have changed.

"I have never seen a chairman give nuclear policy such a high priority, have such personal expertise in the area, and be so committed to dramatic change," said Joe Cirincione, president of Ploughshares Fund.

Cirincione served as a staffer to then-Rep. Les Aspin, who chaired the panel during the fierce debates over nuclear weapons policies in the 1980s, which he sees as an instructive period for today.

"I know that a Democratic House can have a major impact on nuclear policy," he said. "It is the Power of No — the ability to block programs, cut funding, withhold agreement to dangerous new policies. Democrats may not be able to enact new policies, but they can force compromises."

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By ELIANA JOHNSON<https://www.politico.com/staff/eliana-johnson>

High on the priority list is halting or delaying the development of a planned new nuclear bomb that would have less explosive power than a more traditional atomic bomb. The Trump administration's Nuclear Posture Review called for the so-called "low-yield" weapon last year.

Advocates assert that the weapon, to be launched from a submarine, will provide military commanders with more options and better deter nations such as Russia, China, North Korea and Iran that are building up their own nuclear arsenals. Such a modest nuke would not destroy a city but would devastate a foreign army — and adversaries would have reason to fear that the U.S. might use it in a first strike.

But Smith, who will also influence the House Appropriations Committee's recommendations for Pentagon funding, insists such a new weapon "brings us no advantage and it is dangerously escalating."

"It just begins a new nuclear arms race with people just building nuclear weapons all across the board in a way that I think places us at greater danger," he told Ploughshares Fund.

Democrats are expected to revive legislation<https://lieu.house.gov/sites/lieu.house.gov/files/LIEU_096_xml.pdf> proposed earlier this fall in both the House and Senate to try to roll back the program.

“There’s no such thing as a low-yield nuclear war," says Rep. Ted Lieu, a California Democrat and one of the co-sponsors, who also gave his pitch at the Ploughshares Fund gathering this month. "Use of any nuclear weapon, regardless of its killing power, could be catastrophically destabilizing."

Leading Democrats also have their sights on a new intercontinental ballistic missile that is under development as the future land-based leg of the nuclear triad. The Ground Based Strategic Deterrent is set to replace current ICBMs that are deployed in underground silos in Western states such as Montana, Wyoming and North Dakota.

"The ICBM is where the debate will focus," predicted Mieke Eoyang, vice president of national security at Third Way, a centrist think tank, and a former aide on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

One key argument will be cost, she added.

"People make the case for all three legs of the triad, but when you look at the budget situation the Pentagon is going to have to make some tough choices," Eoyang said in an interview. "The modernization of the triad is a big- ticket item that comes over and above what current Defense Department needs are — at a time when budget pressures are coming the other way."

Critics also argue that the ICBM has outlived its usefulness.

Perry, who served as Pentagon chief for President Bill Clinton, has argued that land-based ICBMs are the leg of the triad that is most prone to miscalculation and an accidental nuclear war. He says submarine- and aircraft-launched nuclear weapons would provide a sufficient deterrent on their own.

But not everyone thinks cutting one leg of the triad will be easy. They cite the political clout of defense contractors and their political supporters in both parties, including the so-called "ICBM Caucus"<https://www.enzi.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2014/4/tester-enzi-lead-senate-icbm-coalition-in-hailing-decision-to-keep-nation-s-missile-silos-operational> — especially in the Senate, which will remain under Republican control.

"They won't be able to take on the triad," warned former Rep. John Tierney of Massachusetts, executive director of the Center for Arms Control and Nonproliferation, who chaired the national security and foreign affairs panel of the Government Oversight and Reform Committee.

But Tierney and others said the House can pursue other areas for reshaping nuclear policy — and force the Senate to take up their proposals.

One way is to revive legislation<https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/669> adopting a "no first use" policy for nuclear weapons, declaring that a president could not order the use of nuclear weapons without a declaration of war from Congress.

"We want to avoid the miscalculation of stumbling into a nuclear war," Smith said. "And this is where I think the No First-Use Bill is incredibly important: to send that message that we do not view nuclear weapons as a tool in warfare."

The unfolding strategy will also rely on inserting new reporting requirements in defense legislation as a delaying tactic on some nuclear efforts or to compel the administration to reconsider its opposition to some arms control treaties.

While the president negotiates treaties and the Senate is vested with the constitutional authority to ratify them, the House also has some power to force the administration's hand.

Trump, citing Russian violations, has threatened to pull out of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty that Reagan signed with the then-Soviet Union in 1987. He recently sent national security adviser John Bolton to Moscow to relay the message.

But critics say the landmark treaty, which banned land-based missiles with ranges between 50 and 5,500 kilometers, is still worth trying to salvage with the Russians. And Democrats can try to force the Trump administration to curtail plans for a new cruise missile that would match the Russians.

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The Democrats can put the cruise missile "back on its heels," Tierney said. "Sometimes they can delay, sometimes defeat."

Democrats also worry that the Trump administration will opt to not renew the New START Treaty with Russia, which expires in early 2021. That pact, reached in 2010, mandates that each side can have no more than 1,550 deployed nuclear weapons and requires regular inspections to ensure each side is complying.

Trump and his advisers "are opposed to multilateralism just based on principle," Smith told the crowd of arms control advocates. "That is John Bolton’s approach, that he doesn’t want to negotiate with the rest of the world, almost regardless of what it is that we negotiate."

But Kimball, who met recently with Smith, said Democrats have options on that front, too.

"If the Trump administration threatens to allow New START to expire in 2021, the Democrats are not under any obligation to fund the administration's request for nuclear weapons," Kimball said.

He pointed out that Obama secured bipartisan Senate support for ratifying the New START treaty in return for a pledge to increase spending on upgrading the nuclear arsenal and new missile defense systems. "That linkage works the other way, too," Kimball said.

What is clear is that the nuclear arms control crowd sees Smith as the best hope for change in many years.

"I don't think it is going to be easy, but we see a chance that we haven't seen in a long time to have a different path forward on nuclear weapons," said Stephen Miles, director of Win Without War, an antiwar group. "There isn't enough money available for the wild plans we had before, let alone Trump's new objectives."

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Jodie Evans Retweeted Face The Nation
This is the week we can stop the US backed Saudi War on YEMEN. Contact your Senator NOW! http://www.codepink.org/warpowers <https://t.co/EPbjVtOk1X>  #YemenCantWait<https://twitter.com/hashtag/YemenCantWait?src=hash> @codepink<https://twitter.com/codepink>
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Bernie Sanders makes the case on Face the Nation for his Senate resolution to end US participation in the Saudi/UAE genocidal war in Yemen:
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[cid:D60D2C57-CA9E-4AF3-97DB-F04925405E53 at hsd1.il.comcast.net]Just Foreign Policy‏ @justfp<https://twitter.com/justfp> 2h2 hours ago<https://twitter.com/justfp/status/1066823015206391809>
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National Day of Action to End the War in Yemen on Monday, November 26, including Rhode Island, Nevada, New York, New Jersey, Illinois http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/1793 <https://t.co/lYnajIzFtt>
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Leader Pelosi, Top Intel Dem Schiff co-sponsor Yemen War Powers Resolution Ahead of House and Senate Votes http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/1792 <https://t.co/2ZB8HvhfCP>
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[cid:F1D13B4C-BC06-43A4-8A41-74A081E1205A at hsd1.il.comcast.net]Face The Nation‏Verified account @FaceTheNation<https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation> 5h5 hours ago<https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/1066766017169362946>
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"We now have a chance to get a majority of the United States Senate," @SenSanders<https://twitter.com/SenSanders> tells @margbrennan<https://twitter.com/margbrennan> @FaceTheNation<https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation> of his proposal with @SenMikeLee<https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee> to pull American support from the Saudi-led war in Yemen https://cbsn.ws/2Rdy4bl <https://t.co/JcsvDQ8O5G>
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[cid:47BB1049-80D1-4750-BFCD-04C8F76DBBC9 at hsd1.il.comcast.net]Meet the Press‏Verified account @MeetThePress<https://twitter.com/MeetThePress> 9h9 hours ago<https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1066708186235686912>
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EXCLUSIVE: On Jamal Khashoggi’s killing, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) tells Chuck Todd that “the intelligence I’ve seen suggests that this was ordered by the Crown Prince” #MTP<https://twitter.com/hashtag/MTP?src=hash> @SenMikeLee<https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee>: “I disagree with the president’s assessment.”
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[cid:47BB1049-80D1-4750-BFCD-04C8F76DBBC9 at hsd1.il.comcast.net]Meet the Press‏Verified account @MeetThePress<https://twitter.com/MeetThePress> 9h9 hours ago<https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1066712673944043522>
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EXCLUSIVE: On Jamal Khashoggi’s killing, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) tells Chuck Todd that “the intelligence I’ve seen suggests that this was ordered by the Crown Prince” #MTP<https://twitter.com/hashtag/MTP?src=hash> @SenMikeLee<https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee>: “I disagree with the president’s assessment”
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Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn singing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
[cid:8190ED13-DB3D-487A-BF19-CF35E49A4D47 at hsd1.il.comcast.net] Bernie Sanders<https://twitter.com/SenSanders>
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[cid:AFCA7203-4AB9-4EFB-B4A0-F4B3082A2837 at hsd1.il.comcast.net]Bernie Sanders‏Verified account @SenSanders<https://twitter.com/SenSanders> Nov 21<https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1065348670189699072>
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85,000 children have starved to death during the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen. The U.S. should not be part of Saudi Arabia's destructive foreign policy. Congress must end our participation in that war now, and help provide immediate humanitarian aid there to save lives.
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[cid:1FDFFED6-BF25-4CC5-B703-B6618859ABE1 at hsd1.il.comcast.net]Crisis Group‏Verified account @CrisisGroup<https://twitter.com/CrisisGroup> Nov 21<https://twitter.com/CrisisGroup/status/1065243466786111489>
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The #UNSC<https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNSC?src=hash> should urgently pass a new resolution, ideally calling for a nationwide ceasefire. To support this, the #US<https://twitter.com/hashtag/US?src=hash> and its allies should end assistance to the #Saudi<https://twitter.com/hashtag/Saudi?src=hash>-led coalition. 3/7
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[cid:1FDFFED6-BF25-4CC5-B703-B6618859ABE1 at hsd1.il.comcast.net]Crisis Group‏Verified account @CrisisGroup<https://twitter.com/CrisisGroup> Nov 21<https://twitter.com/CrisisGroup/status/1065243464449867776>
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[THREAD] Half of #Yemen<https://twitter.com/hashtag/Yemen?src=hash>’s population stands on the verge of famine. A pitched battle for #Hodeida<https://twitter.com/hashtag/Hodeida?src=hash> would deepen the humanitarian crisis and undermine prospects for talks. To avert further suffering, our report calls for concrete actions. 1/7
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How can “experts” write a NYT Op-Ed on Saudi Arabia without mentioning Yemen? Honestly, most high school students could write more coherently. This is exhibit A of the “foreign policy blob.” Their obtuseness is more disturbing than their moral blindness.
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[cid:AFCA7203-4AB9-4EFB-B4A0-F4B3082A2837 at hsd1.il.comcast.net]Bernie Sanders‏Verified account @SenSanders<https://twitter.com/SenSanders> Nov 20<https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1064978835995877378>
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Trump is clearly very afraid of the prospect of the Senate delivering a serious rebuke to his policy by voting to end U.S. support for the Yemen war. But that is exactly what we will do when we vote on SJ Res 54 next week.
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Chuck Schumer Retweeted Donald J. Trump
Yesterday, you’re ignoring an egregious murder. Today, you’re thanking them for lower oil prices? Enough. Congress must act now and pass the Menendez-Young and Lee-Sanders bills to hold Saudi Arabia responsible for its actions in Yemen and against journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
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Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump
Oil prices getting lower. Great! Like a big Tax Cut for America and the World. Enjoy! $54, was just $82. Thank you to Saudi Arabia, but let’s go lower!
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#Trump<https://twitter.com/hashtag/Trump?src=hash> claims Saudi Arabia is "a great ally in our very important fight against Iran." As usual, he has it backwards. In fact, it is our Mideast allies who are using the US in THEIR struggle w/Tehran. And #Trump<https://twitter.com/hashtag/Trump?src=hash>, Kushner, & #Pompeo<https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pompeo?src=hash> don't even realize they're being conned.
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Hey @realdonaldtrump<https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump>: being Saudi Arabia’s bitch is not “America First.”
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Today a group of 50+ activists rallied in front of Pelosi’s office to get her to support th Yemen war powers bill — it seems that our collective efforts are paying off, as Rep. Pocan just announced that Pelosi will co-sponsor.
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[cid:4860AD7A-2645-40F7-9791-9BA7091F9192 at hsd1.il.comcast.net]Rep. Mark Pocan‏Verified account @repmarkpocan<https://twitter.com/repmarkpocan> Nov 20<https://twitter.com/repmarkpocan/status/1065062431817457668>
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Even if Trump insists on standing with the Saudis, Congress will force him to obey the Constitution. @SenSanders<https://twitter.com/SenSanders> & @ChrisMurphyCT<https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT> will force a vote on #SJRes54<https://twitter.com/hashtag/SJRes54?src=hash> to stop US participation in the war in Yemen, and @RepRoKhanna<https://twitter.com/RepRoKhanna>, @NancyPelosi<https://twitter.com/NancyPelosi> and I will follow suit in the House.
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As many of us celebrate Thanksgiving, the U.S. is participating in a Saudi war that is starving 14 million Yemenis to death. Thanks, @chrislhayes<https://twitter.com/chrislhayes>, for educating the American public about our Congressional efforts to stop illegal U.S. involvement in this senseless conflict.
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Mon Nov 26 16:03:31 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:03:31 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: War Is Over - If We Want It
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From: World BEYOND War <info at worldbeyondwar.org<mailto:info at worldbeyondwar.org>>
Subject: War Is Over - If We Want It
Date: November 26, 2018
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Dear Ron,

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From jbw292002 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 09:52:03 2018
From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 03:52:03 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
Message-ID: <CAPnrEOUPXKF=i3q7nz0oVOF8z2nrQjKb98xRwp41xW9zTSBHmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you
ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
books like this one:

"The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
Volumes by Henry Ford.

Let me know if you want it.

John Wason
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Tue Nov 27 12:29:29 2018
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 06:29:29 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
In-Reply-To: <CAPnrEOUPXKF=i3q7nz0oVOF8z2nrQjKb98xRwp41xW9zTSBHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPnrEOUPXKF=i3q7nz0oVOF8z2nrQjKb98xRwp41xW9zTSBHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALMNhNTMrwuuOdknJ=csHPS55NYek9smXKH0tcMiJyvTonL29Q@mail.gmail.com>

Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
someone who lived in Champaign County?

My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at
the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the
ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's
stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how
"upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's
stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where
black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.

So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The International
Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from *The
Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by leading Nazis, including
Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the
Nuremberg trials.

Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be
useful to try to understand him better.

Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared to
other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a
contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the
negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a
UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce
him if he broke up the company.

On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of
workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.

I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas existed
in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil; and how
the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at the time
- helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels to Trump
are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump - as they
should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of American
liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which Trump
could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum with
something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
Trump, not simply denounce Trump.


===

Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1






On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

>
> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you
> ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
> books like this one:
>
> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>
> Let me know if you want it.
>
> John Wason
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From kmedina67 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 13:16:39 2018
From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:16:39 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNTMrwuuOdknJ=csHPS55NYek9smXKH0tcMiJyvTonL29Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bfd43bc.1c69fb81.64151.afc4@mx.google.com>

 Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford books. She does research and teaching related to community memory specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That just makes me sick. John, thanks. I value you very much. --In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social issues and social problems. 
- Karen Medina"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain

-------- Original message --------From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Date: 11/27/18  06:29  (GMT-06:00) To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book? 

Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by someone who lived in Champaign County? 
My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown. 
So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew, which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg trials. 
Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be useful to try to understand him better. 
Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company. 
On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.  
I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil; and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by Trump, not simply denounce Trump.      
===
Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1





On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for books like this one:
"The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4 Volumes by Henry Ford.
Let me know if you want it.
John Wason
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 16:46:59 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:46:59 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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If you got Jewish parents in the 1950s, they never came with a Ford, at
least until the Mustang came out.

In any event, Fordism became the label of the social arrangement,
cooperation (paternalism) between management and workers, in spite of
Ford's recalcitrance re the UAW (or Jews).

What Fordism was to Keynesianism through the 1960s, now financialization is
to neoliberalism since then, which most often comes with a Japanese or
German car, perhaps ironically at any number of levels.

But let's at least have the decency not to blame Trump for the latest
closing of GM factories; that's just ridiculous.

DG

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:17 AM kmedina67 via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

>  Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>
> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That
> just makes me sick.
> John, thanks.
> I value you very much.
> --
> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification
> called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social
> issues and social problems.
>
> - Karen Medina
> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark
> Twain
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>
>
> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>
> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at
> the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the
> ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's
> stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how
> "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's
> stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where
> black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>
> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The International
> Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from *The
> Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by leading Nazis, including
> Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the
> Nuremberg trials.
>
> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be
> useful to try to understand him better.
>
> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared
> to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a
> contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the
> negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a
> UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce
> him if he broke up the company.
>
> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of
> workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>
> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>
>
> ===
>
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you
>> ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
>> books like this one:
>>
>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>
>> Let me know if you want it.
>>
>> John Wason
>> _______________________________________________
>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From jbw292002 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 17:54:16 2018
From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:54:16 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 6:29 AM Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
wrote:

Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>

No, this is a paperback reprint of very recent vintage, pristine condition,
no markings whatsoever.  All four volumes in one book, really small print.

It's interesting that there's not the usual page that tells the publisher,
the copyright date, etc.  No one is wanting to take "credit" for it other
than Henry Ford himself.  There's no Foreword, no Introduction explaining
the history of the articles, no nothing.  It's almost as if Henry Ford came
back from the dead and self-published the book so that we would be sure to
read it.



> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at
> the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the
> ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's
> stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how
> "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's
> stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where
> black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>
> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The International
> Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from *The
> Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by leading Nazis, including
> Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the
> Nuremberg trials.
>
> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be
> useful to try to understand him better.
>
> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared
> to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a
> contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the
> negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a
> UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce
> him if he broke up the company.
>
> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of
> workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>
> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas.
>

All very true and I'm glad you wrote all this stuff up in such a succinct
fashion, Robert.  But this particular book is only about The International
Jew, The World's Foremost Problem.  There's a wealth of what purports to be
research and historical detail in it.  I'm surprised Ford had the time to
research and write it, what with running the Ford corporation and all.
Maybe he had a ghost writer.



> The parallels to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the
> currency of Trump - as they should be - without taking responsibility for
> how the failures of American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by
> creating a vacuum which Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we
> have to fill the vacuum with something else that appeals to some of the
> people who were seduced by Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>
>
> ===
>
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you
>> ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
>> books like this one:
>>
>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>
>> Let me know if you want it.
>>
>> John Wason
>>
>
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From jbw292002 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 17:57:36 2018
From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:57:36 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:

 Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>

Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her my
e-mail.



> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That
> just makes me sick.
>

Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the
book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer
patient would want to wade through it.



> John, thanks.
> I value you very much.
>

Thank you, Karen.



> --
> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification
> called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social
> issues and social problems.
>
> - Karen Medina
> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark
> Twain
>

It's the American Dream!




> -------- Original message --------
> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>
>
> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>
> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at
> the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the
> ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's
> stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how
> "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's
> stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where
> black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>
> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The International
> Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from *The
> Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by leading Nazis, including
> Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the
> Nuremberg trials.
>
> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be
> useful to try to understand him better.
>
> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared
> to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a
> contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the
> negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a
> UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce
> him if he broke up the company.
>
> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of
> workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>
> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>
>
> ===
>
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you
>> ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
>> books like this one:
>>
>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>
>> Let me know if you want it.
>>
>> John Wason
>> _______________________________________________
>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>
>
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Tue Nov 27 19:43:34 2018
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:43:34 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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References: <CALMNhNTMrwuuOdknJ=csHPS55NYek9smXKH0tcMiJyvTonL29Q@mail.gmail.com>
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For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a
union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug
into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
gasoline to drive around town.

I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of
gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.

We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others.

===

Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1





On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
>> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
>> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>>
>
> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her my
> e-mail.
>
>
>
>> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That
>> just makes me sick.
>>
>
> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the
> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer
> patient would want to wade through it.
>
>
>
>> John, thanks.
>> I value you very much.
>>
>
> Thank you, Karen.
>
>
>
>> --
>> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
>> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was
>> under social issues and social problems.
>>
>> - Karen Medina
>> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark
>> Twain
>>
>
> It's the American Dream!
>
>
>
>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
>> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>>
>>
>> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
>> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>>
>> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed
>> at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the
>> ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's
>> stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how
>> "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's
>> stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where
>> black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>>
>> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
>> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The International
>> Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from *The
>> Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by leading Nazis, including
>> Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the
>> Nuremberg trials.
>>
>> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be
>> useful to try to understand him better.
>>
>> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared
>> to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a
>> contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the
>> negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a
>> UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce
>> him if he broke up the company.
>>
>> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of
>> workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
>> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
>> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
>> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
>> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
>> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
>> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
>> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
>> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
>> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
>> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
>> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>>
>> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
>> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
>> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
>> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
>> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
>> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
>> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
>> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
>> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
>> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>>
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of
>>> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
>>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
>>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
>>> books like this one:
>>>
>>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
>>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you want it.
>>>
>>> John Wason
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From ewj at pigs.ag  Tue Nov 27 22:42:01 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 06:42:01 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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if you were serious Bob you'd walk or Run or ride a bike or maybe a mule.

It takes energy to provide the juice for your Ford and Saudi oil contributes to its ubiquitous plastic and synthetic parts.  there's nothing in It that is not a downstream product of yer beloved Saudi oil.

as my grandpa used to say... 
it's a damn Ford.

On Nov 28, 2018, 3:43 AM, at 3:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have
>a
>union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could
>plug
>into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
>gasoline to drive around town.
>
>I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of
>gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
>
>We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
>hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the
>others.
>
>===
>
>Robert Reuel Naiman
>Policy Director
>Just Foreign Policy
>www.justforeignpolicy.org
>naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>(202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>  Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
>>> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
>>> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>>>
>>
>> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward
>her my
>> e-mail.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center.
>That
>>> just makes me sick.
>>>
>>
>> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took
>the
>> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average
>cancer
>> patient would want to wade through it.
>>
>>
>>
>>> John, thanks.
>>> I value you very much.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you, Karen.
>>
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
>>> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly.
>It was
>>> under social issues and social problems.
>>>
>>> - Karen Medina
>>> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" -
>Mark
>>> Twain
>>>
>>
>> It's the American Dream!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
>>> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>>>
>>> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is
>housed
>>> at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can
>document the
>>> ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County.
>There's
>>> stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing
>how
>>> "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members.
>There's
>>> stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns
>where
>>> black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>>>
>>> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone
>in
>>> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The
>International
>>> Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from
>*The
>>> Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by leading Nazis,
>including
>>> Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at
>the
>>> Nuremberg trials.
>>>
>>> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it
>might be
>>> useful to try to understand him better.
>>>
>>> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even
>compared
>>> to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to
>sign a
>>> contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage
>the
>>> negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than
>accept a
>>> UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to
>divorce
>>> him if he broke up the company.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being
>of
>>> workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole;
>he
>>> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers,
>partly
>>> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because
>he
>>> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy
>more
>>> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could
>afford
>>> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury
>exclusive to
>>> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the
>time. And
>>> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused
>by war
>>> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need
>to
>>> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right
>he was
>>> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially
>prevented by
>>> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>>>
>>> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
>>> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and
>evil;
>>> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too
>rare at
>>> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The
>parallels
>>> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of
>Trump
>>> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the
>failures of
>>> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum
>which
>>> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the
>vacuum
>>> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were
>seduced by
>>> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>>>
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>> Policy Director
>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any
>of
>>>> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical
>archives.  I
>>>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer
>Center at
>>>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an
>exception for
>>>> books like this one:
>>>>
>>>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete
>4
>>>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you want it.
>>>>
>>>> John Wason
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>
>
>
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Tue Nov 27 23:37:30 2018
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:37:30 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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I don't agree with your implicit assertion that your critique is
particularly relevant to my case. Maybe you don't either. Maybe you're just
being an asshole because you enjoy being an asshole and you have nothing
better to do with your time.

A serious person does what they think they can do, and doesn't use fail to
do what they think they can do just because in theory they could do
something more.

I do walk. I walk to the gym. Most of the shopping I do, I reach by
walking.

It's true that my car requires energy when I use it, even if it is
electrical energy. If I use it locally, it's not gasoline from a gas
station. If it's electricity, the energy is produced by Ameren. That's a
mix. Some of it is wind. Some of it is natural gas. Some of it is nuclear.
We could agitate to improve the mix. But even the existing mix is better
for the earth and U.S. foreign policy than Saudi oil.

What are you doing?

===

Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1





On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 4:42 PM E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> if you were serious Bob you'd walk or Run or ride a bike or maybe a mule.
>
> It takes energy to provide the juice for your Ford and Saudi oil
> contributes to its ubiquitous plastic and synthetic parts.  there's nothing
> in It that is not a downstream product of yer beloved Saudi oil.
>
> as my grandpa used to say...
> it's a damn Ford.
> On Nov 28, 2018, at 3:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a
>> union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug
>> into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
>> gasoline to drive around town.
>>
>> I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of
>> gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
>>
>> We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
>> hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
>>>> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
>>>> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her
>>> my e-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That
>>>> just makes me sick.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the
>>> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer
>>> patient would want to wade through it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> John, thanks.
>>>> I value you very much.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you, Karen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
>>>> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was
>>>> under social issues and social problems.
>>>>
>>>> - Karen Medina
>>>> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark
>>>> Twain
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's the American Dream!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>
>>>> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
>>>> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
>>>> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>>>>
>>>> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed
>>>> at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the
>>>> ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's
>>>> stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how
>>>> "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's
>>>> stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where
>>>> black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>>>>
>>>> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
>>>> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The
>>>> International Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic
>>>> articles from *The Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by
>>>> leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to
>>>> them, including at the Nuremberg trials.
>>>>
>>>> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might
>>>> be useful to try to understand him better.
>>>>
>>>> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even
>>>> compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker
>>>> to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to
>>>> sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather
>>>> than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife
>>>> threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of
>>>> workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
>>>> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
>>>> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
>>>> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
>>>> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
>>>> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
>>>> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
>>>> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
>>>> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
>>>> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
>>>> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
>>>> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>>>>
>>>> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
>>>> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
>>>> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
>>>> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
>>>> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
>>>> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
>>>> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
>>>> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
>>>> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
>>>> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>>> Policy Director
>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of
>>>>> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
>>>>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
>>>>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
>>>>> books like this one:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
>>>>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you want it.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Wason
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>>>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>
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From jbw292002 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 23:48:50 2018
From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:48:50 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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If this reply was on Facebook I would Like it, or maybe even Heart it.



On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:37 PM Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
wrote:

I don't agree with your implicit assertion that your critique is
> particularly relevant to my case. Maybe you don't either. Maybe you're just
> being an asshole because you enjoy being an asshole and you have nothing
> better to do with your time.
>
> A serious person does what they think they can do, and doesn't use fail to
> do what they think they can do just because in theory they could do
> something more.
>
> I do walk. I walk to the gym. Most of the shopping I do, I reach by
> walking.
>
> It's true that my car requires energy when I use it, even if it is
> electrical energy. If I use it locally, it's not gasoline from a gas
> station. If it's electricity, the energy is produced by Ameren. That's a
> mix. Some of it is wind. Some of it is natural gas. Some of it is nuclear.
> We could agitate to improve the mix. But even the existing mix is better
> for the earth and U.S. foreign policy than Saudi oil.
>
> What are you doing?
>
> ===
>
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 4:42 PM E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> if you were serious Bob you'd walk or Run or ride a bike or maybe a mule.
>>
>> It takes energy to provide the juice for your Ford and Saudi oil
>> contributes to its ubiquitous plastic and synthetic parts.  there's nothing
>> in It that is not a downstream product of yer beloved Saudi oil.
>>
>> as my grandpa used to say...
>> it's a damn Ford.
>> On Nov 28, 2018, at 3:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a
>>> union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug
>>> into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
>>> gasoline to drive around town.
>>>
>>> I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of
>>> gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
>>>
>>> We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
>>> hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others.
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>> Policy Director
>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
>>>>> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
>>>>> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her
>>>> my e-mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center.
>>>>> That just makes me sick.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the
>>>> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer
>>>> patient would want to wade through it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> John, thanks.
>>>>> I value you very much.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you, Karen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
>>>>> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was
>>>>> under social issues and social problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Karen Medina
>>>>> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" -
>>>>> Mark Twain
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's the American Dream!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
>>>>> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
>>>>> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>>>>>
>>>>> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is
>>>>> housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can
>>>>> document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign
>>>>> County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County,
>>>>> showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members.
>>>>> There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County,
>>>>> towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>>>>>
>>>>> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
>>>>> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The
>>>>> International Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic
>>>>> articles from *The Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by
>>>>> leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to
>>>>> them, including at the Nuremberg trials.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might
>>>>> be useful to try to understand him better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even
>>>>> compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker
>>>>> to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to
>>>>> sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather
>>>>> than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife
>>>>> threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being
>>>>> of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
>>>>> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
>>>>> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
>>>>> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
>>>>> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
>>>>> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
>>>>> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
>>>>> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
>>>>> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
>>>>> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
>>>>> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
>>>>> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
>>>>> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
>>>>> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
>>>>> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
>>>>> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
>>>>> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
>>>>> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
>>>>> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
>>>>> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
>>>>> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ===
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>>>> Policy Director
>>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of
>>>>>> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
>>>>>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
>>>>>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
>>>>>> books like this one:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
>>>>>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if you want it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Wason
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>>>>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>>
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From ewj at pigs.ag  Wed Nov 28 01:45:11 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:45:11 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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back in the days when Illinois power and rea were carving red Illinois up into territories, IP hucksters would show ignorant defenseless hayseeds a wire and ask them the shape.  it's round.  REA   has square electricity.  how can you get square waves through a round wire?
such is roots of ameren.  everybody gets a damn good 'ammerin from them.  how is that any better than yer despised A-rabs?

me?  I'm not imagining that any boss gives a flyin flip at a rolling donut about my consumption behavior as a six sigma outlier.

On Nov 28, 2018, 7:48 AM, at 7:48 AM, "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>If this reply was on Facebook I would Like it, or maybe even Heart it.
>
>
>
>On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:37 PM Robert Naiman
><naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>wrote:
>
>I don't agree with your implicit assertion that your critique is
>> particularly relevant to my case. Maybe you don't either. Maybe
>you're just
>> being an asshole because you enjoy being an asshole and you have
>nothing
>> better to do with your time.
>>
>> A serious person does what they think they can do, and doesn't use
>fail to
>> do what they think they can do just because in theory they could do
>> something more.
>>
>> I do walk. I walk to the gym. Most of the shopping I do, I reach by
>> walking.
>>
>> It's true that my car requires energy when I use it, even if it is
>> electrical energy. If I use it locally, it's not gasoline from a gas
>> station. If it's electricity, the energy is produced by Ameren.
>That's a
>> mix. Some of it is wind. Some of it is natural gas. Some of it is
>nuclear.
>> We could agitate to improve the mix. But even the existing mix is
>better
>> for the earth and U.S. foreign policy than Saudi oil.
>>
>> What are you doing?
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 4:42 PM E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>> if you were serious Bob you'd walk or Run or ride a bike or maybe a
>mule.
>>>
>>> It takes energy to provide the juice for your Ford and Saudi oil
>>> contributes to its ubiquitous plastic and synthetic parts.  there's
>nothing
>>> in It that is not a downstream product of yer beloved Saudi oil.
>>>
>>> as my grandpa used to say...
>>> it's a damn Ford.
>>> On Nov 28, 2018, at 3:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to
>have a
>>>> union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I
>could plug
>>>> into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
>>>> gasoline to drive around town.
>>>>
>>>> I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one
>drop of
>>>> gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
>>>>
>>>> We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
>>>> hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the
>others.
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>>> Policy Director
>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry
>Ford
>>>>>> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
>>>>>> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward
>her
>>>>> my e-mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment
>center.
>>>>>> That just makes me sick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I
>took the
>>>>> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average
>cancer
>>>>> patient would want to wade through it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> John, thanks.
>>>>>> I value you very much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, Karen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
>>>>>> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember
>correctly. It was
>>>>>> under social issues and social problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Karen Medina
>>>>>> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great"
>-
>>>>>> Mark Twain
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the American Dream!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>>>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>>> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
>>>>>> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership
>by
>>>>>> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is
>>>>>> housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we
>can
>>>>>> document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in
>Champaign
>>>>>> County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign
>County,
>>>>>> showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were
>members.
>>>>>> There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign
>County,
>>>>>> towns where black people were not welcome under threat after
>sundown.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how
>someone in
>>>>>> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The
>>>>>> International Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic
>>>>>> articles from *The Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by
>>>>>> leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant
>inspiration to
>>>>>> them, including at the Nuremberg trials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it
>might
>>>>>> be useful to try to understand him better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even
>>>>>> compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last
>automaker
>>>>>> to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could
>to
>>>>>> sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the
>company rather
>>>>>> than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife
>>>>>> threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the
>well-being
>>>>>> of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a
>whole; he
>>>>>> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other
>employers, partly
>>>>>> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly
>because he
>>>>>> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy
>more
>>>>>> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers
>could afford
>>>>>> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury
>exclusive to
>>>>>> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the
>time. And
>>>>>> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially
>caused by war
>>>>>> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't
>need to
>>>>>> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how
>right he was
>>>>>> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially
>prevented by
>>>>>> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these
>ideas
>>>>>> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good
>and evil;
>>>>>> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too
>rare at
>>>>>> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The
>parallels
>>>>>> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency
>of Trump
>>>>>> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the
>failures of
>>>>>> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a
>vacuum which
>>>>>> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill
>the vacuum
>>>>>> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were
>seduced by
>>>>>> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>>>>> Policy Director
>>>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>>>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>>>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if
>any of
>>>>>>> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical
>archives.  I
>>>>>>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the
>Cancer Center at
>>>>>>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an
>exception for
>>>>>>> books like this one:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The
>Complete 4
>>>>>>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know if you want it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Wason
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>>>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From kmedina67 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 02:18:17 2018
From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 20:18:17 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
Message-ID: <5bfdfaed.1c69fb81.55405.302e@mx.google.com>

John, i did forward your email  describing the Ford books to Brett Kaplan. I hope you hear from her. If not, oh well. 
Wayne, most of the oil products the US uses now is coming from domestic sources, fracking. Horrible. But not Saudi. 
Wow, Robert, you are amazing. 

- Karen Medina"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain

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From moboct1 at aim.com  Wed Nov 28 13:29:47 2018
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:29:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
References: <170973544.8188121.1543411787491.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <170973544.8188121.1543411787491@mail.yahoo.com>

For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
M. O'Brien


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?


For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of gasoline to drive around town. 
I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen. 
We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others. 
===
Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1




On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:


 Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford books. She does research and teaching related to community memory specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.

Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her my e-mail.
 
I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That just makes me sick. 

Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer patient would want to wade through it.
 
John, thanks. 
I value you very much. 

Thank you, Karen.
 
--In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social issues and social problems. 
- Karen Medina"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain

It's the American Dream!

 
-------- Original message --------
From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00) To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book? 

Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by someone who lived in Champaign County? 
My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown. 
So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew, which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg trials. 
Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be useful to try to understand him better. 
Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company. 
On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.  
I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil; and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by Trump, not simply denounce Trump.      
===
Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1





On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:


Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for books like this one:
"The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4 Volumes by Henry Ford.
Let me know if you want it.
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Nov 28 16:28:37 2018
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 10:28:37 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
In-Reply-To: <170973544.8188121.1543411787491@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <170973544.8188121.1543411787491.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the carbon
impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in Champaign-Urbana
compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore] driving an
electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly preferable to
driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.

If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette
article.

===

Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1





On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by
> fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate
> change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're
> importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits
> from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the
> dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
>
> M. O'Brien
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>
>
> For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a
> union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug
> into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
> gasoline to drive around town.
>
> I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of
> gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
>
> We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
> hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others.
>
> ===
>
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>
>
> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her my
> e-mail.
>
>
>
> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That
> just makes me sick.
>
>
> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the
> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer
> patient would want to wade through it.
>
>
>
> John, thanks.
> I value you very much.
>
>
> Thank you, Karen.
>
>
>
> --
> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification
> called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social
> issues and social problems.
>
> - Karen Medina
> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark
> Twain
>
>
> It's the American Dream!
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>
>
> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>
> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at
> the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the
> ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's
> stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how
> "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's
> stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where
> black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>
> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The International
> Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from *The
> Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by leading Nazis, including
> Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the
> Nuremberg trials.
>
> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be
> useful to try to understand him better.
>
> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared
> to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a
> contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the
> negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a
> UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce
> him if he broke up the company.
>
> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of
> workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>
> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>
>
> ===
>
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>
> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you
> ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
> books like this one:
>
> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>
> Let me know if you want it.
>
> John Wason
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Wed Nov 28 17:21:58 2018
From: galliher at illinois.edu (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:21:58 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNRm06RxfsT3ou=5YJn0RwYR_AqSq+PBeACdS3tcs2QvsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <170973544.8188121.1543411787491.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <170973544.8188121.1543411787491@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <A35F5857-393D-4BC9-8E71-FCF16CEAA800@illinois.edu>

Alex Cockburn from a decade ago, on the “...sense that along the road from the grand visions of ’67 to the pious sustainability mantras and globe-survivalist waffle of our own phase, the vision of human liberation expressed by Marcuse had collapsed into variants of resource management and nannyism, with irksome rules and protocols, none of which had anything to do with onslaughts on capitalist ownership and control”: <https://www.thenation.com/article/dialectics-revolution-uh-recycling/>.  —CGE


> On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the carbon impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in Champaign-Urbana compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore] driving an electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly preferable to driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.
> 
> If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette article. 
> 
> ===
> 
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
> 
> M. O'Brien
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> 
> 
> For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of gasoline to drive around town. 
> 
> I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen. 
> 
> We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others. 
> 
> ===
> 
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford books. She does research and teaching related to community memory specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
> 
> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her my e-mail.
> 
> 
> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That just makes me sick. 
> 
> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer patient would want to wade through it.
> 
> 
> John, thanks. 
> I value you very much. 
> 
> Thank you, Karen.
> 
> 
> --
> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social issues and social problems. 
> 
> - Karen Medina
> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain
> 
> It's the American Dream!
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> 
> 
> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by someone who lived in Champaign County? 
> 
> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown. 
> 
> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew, which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg trials. 
> 
> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be useful to try to understand him better. 
> 
> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company. 
> 
> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.  
> 
> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil; and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by Trump, not simply denounce Trump. 
> 
> 
> ===
> 
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for books like this one:
> 
> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4 Volumes by Henry Ford.
> 
> Let me know if you want it.
> 
> John Wason
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Nov 28 17:53:32 2018
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:53:32 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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"For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a
particular exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from
which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a shepherd, or a
critical critic and must remain so if he does not wish to lose his means of
livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive
sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he
wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible
for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning,
to fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after
dinner, just as I have in mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman,
shepherd or critic."

- Karl Marx, *The German Ideology*

===

Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1





On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:22 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Alex Cockburn from a decade ago, on the “...sense that along the road from
> the grand visions of ’67 to the pious sustainability mantras and
> globe-survivalist waffle of our own phase, the vision of human liberation
> expressed by Marcuse had collapsed into variants of resource management and
> nannyism, with irksome rules and protocols, none of which had anything to
> do with onslaughts on capitalist ownership and control”: <
> https://www.thenation.com/article/dialectics-revolution-uh-recycling/>.
> —CGE
>
>
> > On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the
> carbon impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in
> Champaign-Urbana compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore]
> driving an electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly
> preferable to driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.
> >
> > If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette
> article.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by
> fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate
> change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're
> importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits
> from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the
> dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
> >
> > M. O'Brien
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> >
> >
> > For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a
> union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug
> into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
> gasoline to drive around town.
> >
> > I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of
> gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
> >
> > We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
> hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
> >
> > Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her
> my e-mail.
> >
> >
> > I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That
> just makes me sick.
> >
> > Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the
> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer
> patient would want to wade through it.
> >
> >
> > John, thanks.
> > I value you very much.
> >
> > Thank you, Karen.
> >
> >
> > --
> > In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was
> under social issues and social problems.
> >
> > - Karen Medina
> > "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark
> Twain
> >
> > It's the American Dream!
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
> > To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> >
> >
> > Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
> someone who lived in Champaign County?
> >
> > My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed
> at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the
> ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's
> stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how
> "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's
> stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where
> black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
> >
> > So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew,
> which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn
> Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler
> himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg
> trials.
> >
> > Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be
> useful to try to understand him better.
> >
> > Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared
> to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a
> contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the
> negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a
> UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce
> him if he broke up the company.
> >
> > On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of
> workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
> >
> > I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
> >
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of
> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
> books like this one:
> >
> > "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
> Volumes by Henry Ford.
> >
> > Let me know if you want it.
> >
> > John Wason
> > _______________________________________________
> > Peace-discuss mailing list
> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
> > _______________________________________________
> > Peace-discuss mailing list
> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
> > _______________________________________________
> > Peace-discuss mailing list
> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
> > _______________________________________________
> > Peace-discuss mailing list
> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
> > _______________________________________________
> > Peace-discuss mailing list
> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Wed Nov 28 17:57:19 2018
From: galliher at illinois.edu (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:57:19 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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 <170973544.8188121.1543411787491@mail.yahoo.com>
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A good reminder that Marx discussed capitalism (without naming it) - not communism - and when he rarely did comment on the latter, it was almost always in poetic rather than practical terms, as below. 
 

> On Nov 28, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> "For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a shepherd, or a critical critic and must remain so if he does not wish to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, to fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have in mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic."
> 
> - Karl Marx, The German Ideology
> 
> ===
> 
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:22 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> Alex Cockburn from a decade ago, on the “...sense that along the road from the grand visions of ’67 to the pious sustainability mantras and globe-survivalist waffle of our own phase, the vision of human liberation expressed by Marcuse had collapsed into variants of resource management and nannyism, with irksome rules and protocols, none of which had anything to do with onslaughts on capitalist ownership and control”: <https://www.thenation.com/article/dialectics-revolution-uh-recycling/>.  —CGE
> 
> 
> > On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the carbon impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in Champaign-Urbana compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore] driving an electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly preferable to driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.
> > 
> > If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette article. 
> > 
> > ===
> > 
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
> > 
> > M. O'Brien
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> > 
> > 
> > For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of gasoline to drive around town. 
> > 
> > I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen. 
> > 
> > We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others. 
> > 
> > ===
> > 
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford books. She does research and teaching related to community memory specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
> > 
> > Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her my e-mail.
> > 
> > 
> > I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That just makes me sick. 
> > 
> > Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer patient would want to wade through it.
> > 
> > 
> > John, thanks. 
> > I value you very much. 
> > 
> > Thank you, Karen.
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social issues and social problems. 
> > 
> > - Karen Medina
> > "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain
> > 
> > It's the American Dream!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
> > To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> > 
> > 
> > Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by someone who lived in Champaign County? 
> > 
> > My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown. 
> > 
> > So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew, which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg trials. 
> > 
> > Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be useful to try to understand him better. 
> > 
> > Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company. 
> > 
> > On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.  
> > 
> > I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil; and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by Trump, not simply denounce Trump. 
> > 
> > 
> > ===
> > 
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for books like this one:
> > 
> > "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4 Volumes by Henry Ford.
> > 
> > Let me know if you want it.
> > 
> > John Wason
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Nov 28 18:25:57 2018
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:25:57 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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I thought you liked poetry.

===

Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:57 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> A good reminder that Marx discussed capitalism (without naming it) - not
> communism - and when he rarely did comment on the latter, it was almost
> always in poetic rather than practical terms, as below.
>
>
> > On Nov 28, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Robert Naiman <
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man
> has a particular exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and
> from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a shepherd, or a
> critical critic and must remain so if he does not wish to lose his means of
> livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive
> sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he
> wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible
> for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning,
> to fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after
> dinner, just as I have in mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman,
> shepherd or critic."
> >
> > - Karl Marx, The German Ideology
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:22 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > Alex Cockburn from a decade ago, on the “...sense that along the road
> from the grand visions of ’67 to the pious sustainability mantras and
> globe-survivalist waffle of our own phase, the vision of human liberation
> expressed by Marcuse had collapsed into variants of resource management and
> nannyism, with irksome rules and protocols, none of which had anything to
> do with onslaughts on capitalist ownership and control”: <
> https://www.thenation.com/article/dialectics-revolution-uh-recycling/>.
> —CGE
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the
> carbon impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in
> Champaign-Urbana compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore]
> driving an electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly
> preferable to driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.
> > >
> > > If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette
> article.
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > > Policy Director
> > > Just Foreign Policy
> > > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > > For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by
> fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate
> change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're
> importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits
> from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the
> dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
> > >
> > > M. O'Brien
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> > >
> > >
> > > For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have
> a union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could
> plug into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
> gasoline to drive around town.
> > >
> > > I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop
> of gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
> > >
> > > We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
> hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others.
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > > Policy Director
> > > Just Foreign Policy
> > > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
> > >
> > > Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her
> my e-mail.
> > >
> > >
> > > I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center.
> That just makes me sick.
> > >
> > > Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took
> the book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average
> cancer patient would want to wade through it.
> > >
> > >
> > > John, thanks.
> > > I value you very much.
> > >
> > > Thank you, Karen.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was
> under social issues and social problems.
> > >
> > > - Karen Medina
> > > "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" -
> Mark Twain
> > >
> > > It's the American Dream!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original message --------
> > > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
> > > To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> > >
> > >
> > > Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
> someone who lived in Champaign County?
> > >
> > > My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is
> housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can
> document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign
> County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County,
> showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members.
> There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County,
> towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
> > >
> > > So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew,
> which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn
> Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler
> himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg
> trials.
> > >
> > > Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might
> be useful to try to understand him better.
> > >
> > > Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even
> compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker
> to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to
> sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather
> than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife
> threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being
> of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
> > >
> > > I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
> > >
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > > Policy Director
> > > Just Foreign Policy
> > > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of
> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
> books like this one:
> > >
> > > "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
> Volumes by Henry Ford.
> > >
> > > Let me know if you want it.
> > >
> > > John Wason
> > > _______________________________________________
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From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:22:32 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Working Link: Open Letter to Senator Bernie Sanders
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From: World BEYOND War <info at worldbeyondwar.org<mailto:info at worldbeyondwar.org>>
Subject: Working Link: Open Letter to Senator Bernie Sanders
Date: November 28, 2018
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We're sorry. Yall swamp our website.

This link can handle more traffic:
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Open Letter to Senator Bernie Sanders

[https://worldbeyondwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/bernie-abc-er-181126_hpMain_12x5_992-300x300.jpg]<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h2/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjJgdU8AAB7lV8hutHQCCHaqaNu4nzjEJHDx8odke9iiT>On Wednesday, November 28, 2018, over 100 U.S. scholars, intellectuals, and activists published the open letter to Senator Bernie Sanders below and invited others to add their names to it. Sanders was working to force a new Senate vote on ending, or at least reducing, U.S. participation in the war on Yemen. Signers of the letter below wished to encourage such steps and, in fact, to urge Sanders toward far greater opposition to militarism and support for peace.

On Tuesday, Senator Sanders had published a new book, Where We Go from Here: Two Years in the Resistance. The book contains 38 sections, of which one addresses foreign policy but lays out no concrete proposals. On Tuesday evening Sanders spoke for an hour at George Washington University, aired live on C-Span 2. He discussed a variety of topics, but never mentioned foreign policy — until a questioner asked him for a progressive foreign policy, and Senator Sanders gave a 2-minute response focused on Yemen, for which he received possibly the loudest applause of the evening.

Read the letter and add your name: https://worldbeyondwar.org/bernie<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h3/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjJgdU8AAB7lV8hutHQCCHaqaNu4nzjEJHDx8odke9iiT>

Text of the Letter:

We write to you as U.S. residents with great respect for your domestic policies.

We support the position of more than 25,000 people who signed a petition<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h4/m-2B8qq94wXsMgEoGk9VcSdOTL4bvxMYHEjPd-2BHpRl9IpSSWUnFeQnDEkw7JToSc-2FUbWNRVvVlP-2BF0Co-2F60sAcvwpQccy1kI-2FVcopigCrw78Q39y3JvCbsvWbTAJFy-2B-2BwFkc8uJAyt5jRnFwc8wOUrrtz-2FJRRYnlO9YKy3W4tmA5ZiqMlMKdoGAoVrGJIyIoyCwa97NZFkW1Q39erL4RXUthcNsKaTSC8Y7vysdj3PIYhUp-2FIpUuJlUf3WV-2Fb5tPKMr-2FR4TT8lj-2FpwvHyY-2FNvR8RInsES-2BOppkyXAZCjA2LGU3wLpJ2j3dUJ4GPmA6UvjC03Awcm16u4UPAjgtuzZUZSBHbRUDSxCGQs9T599iHNLqJfjsgnVZCMFRF45GVvIa> during your presidential campaign urging you to take on militarism.

We believe that Dr. King was correct to assert that racism, extreme materialism, and militarism needed to be challenged together rather than separately, and that this remains true.

We believe this is not only practical advice, but a moral imperative, and — not coincidentally — good electoral politics.

During your presidential campaign, you were asked repeatedly how you would pay for human and environmental needs that could be paid for with small fractions of military spending. Your answer was consistently complicated and involved raising taxes. We believe it would be more effective to more often mention the existence of the military and its price tag. “I would cut 4% of spending on the never-audited Pentagon” is a superior answer in every way to any explanation of any tax plan.

Much of the case that we believe ought to be made is made in a video<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h5/HE2UYZIDTZxfLuJ8qHDFiGerig1QqcoecFTQqb4pl7nMclPWMJdCoPHBPIAOb-2FNSP3kcPnOgAQKCnEZGNy6eMlZoKReOnjpOOyfR-2FWZudurspfMl8kfVS3GSEjeFIa2uooKkT31jIdZviCzhPTy-2FGaZPbQYyrXd08MV7XfCTRbF6P7rC-2FP6xu4ckvkxd8AumyXeCmruH-2FIuha-2BkTuu9wBwdLcs8azv2DReH9wAoj4wVO5xQ7KgkXhwa4CFVwIFrzm2C0OUQ1D-2FBCrnDLZkEkiSnNaSb8iAwmnOPi1hD4odQriC-2BuzIKw-2FvwewtcdDsVMZeZqqrOGiIvpoiZxyjYzWYk0OEn6AHKP0ba-2BFQ6erPg-3D> posted on your Facebook page in early 2018. But it is generally absent from your public comments and policy proposals. Your recent 10-point plan<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h6/1A43zuFX8f5Q4KEd9xb2-2BxHYsQKA2-2Fn7ooen1cxYN9k9NkdX8ZtyD3b3bRNekjq-2FEzzC4A9EGp7JodEcKqudIUyCgfg-2B5f8w6rSm5S3g35eA9B0hWZZ1al6erjho66q6oZk-2FCowAPaCLWFlgWeSSqKuBqpkaNDJFcMN-2F5kPzjm9jKd5CFexsZgOCo6AMFKYAWKEo1V1SqwNlKUldg0Thft1dndbpq9IchbRw7ljz-2Fw9WlvivQj6VBHNuQd4-2BUtcbqRLnJsUWPNhGOe0gLTTayiJoVDUkWREcSe4fCwkVQRcXxpSvI1AfkJoBnf1DVm4i1BgWdekuKGYnlblRwrGUO-2BrPPLXIqGgtAO8IvQuYiQzlvV3-2FqTubyzkjG0pEItdgVJc2nGuaLkTG8SzezLfU43zKEw2oi-2Fws2V7nG3x8eHA-3D> omits any mention of foreign policy whatsoever.

We believe this omission is not just a shortcoming. We believe it renders what does get included incoherent. Military spending is well over 60%<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h7/N3PWdoDbaqqRoCx0luj1ypVLeZaj8Vlwrthp714VTKKHQbxQABBXOh069Gn4aAjQYvfkUa4B1to9-2BFvF1S1vMNFHKsJ2q5tq-2FzwZX1gRetAZtIH-2FoRf73CfNjUg-2FBsiM824RM3yEAU8jDqi-2FKAno5R9peRqO3-2B65mF0ci1brWRQHCvw9umP6v3daBkblRnvo56aPc9bD5BQRne1zkpG5kJ9baH9-2FXkj9WXcaxOzXuA-2FMp2odxR-2FG9vxSMoeuneDjTgshcqB2GjdMJGwiB8xzpWSoDa574b-2Fo4sPO3APWFPOGU3s-2BGdnfaRoXh-2F36i2mw-2Bv5h-2BZvz8qZNLBlNE-2BJGVivk4ptVQ9-2Bh0lRV7YqnDKF5Kc-2Bm5ouY75o9N7YLb8DY> of discretionary spending. A public policy that avoids mentioning its existence is not a public policy at all. Should military spending go up or down or remain unchanged? This is the very first question. We are dealing here with an amount of money at least comparable to what could be obtained by taxing the wealthy and corporations (something we are certainly in favor of as well).

A tiny fraction of U.S. military spending could end starvation<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h8/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjMHDAJR3HvAjTBJc3G9rgs6BoGU6IGAkKble1DpJBoXCVIcF-2FUmhFXlhvcR3ptKno21GeLUSA8NU6WrtlhlAPKv9Cn8iynpmCc9Gi4kXXXH3hUQPSi6kHfci39MMgi3dE11i0XeWdG14a8NhM3XZVV-2BmjIoOKOmUnookOQNO0cEbFNiAx5MxG444Um-2B4F3mGdKGwq34-2FP5X4uFuHxyp-2F4488UHqUuSWfPKjHRpSApWDo3drRzNyS4tweYufv0q-2B3Nvcmximo3CvDfIOhnMZBmfVrKjr-2B3zRTEh8YFgO4rrU8MAtAB2wG3znB1CEKKCrZtA-3D-3D>, the lack of clean water, and various diseases worldwide. No humanitarian policy can avoid the existence of the military. No discussion of free college<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h9/mb-2FqhNwiPwHg26xxrzU0i7-2BVwnGL1Bt8VUJIKNfWCqNuAepquJeYN5VXJB6VG6d-2Bz130Vbfn6S5wwaAdQnJcG-2Bq2lu9M51Du73Hcw-2BXXOHeTZagNFt-2BBEsf9OSt7XXQV-2FTBZ1OUVoVjH9vIcjkooqQJOdzcG7qLPHFqNPFew6jzOsWccffHBtjjbM0AskL39saUwyxl4HUWztjUd-2BPjj3WiRwDxyKF3cvWop6-2FYR820Tiqj9cAw5eXuMiVBLfHfkarYhq-2BuZ5DyOOrzFqCSYpyU1KTIJ1LIjd7w34WazegIx0LXJSYzDoRt-2FVtbXPFwPlOs1b3zA2E7pmqZvNoxgLbAWotM3qW4-2BETPsEX-2FSgSRtL02RetjWGNUmpreQkheE-2BT8seM1wSuXCZHtoph-2FkHonwzphYgmAVUUt2gEBULQbxo6ayO-2BmHqtcf42K6Tl2-2B> or clean energy<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h10/WczCKCs1Dipizq-2BHPl4zVCyM6KEYDxkqp2xpCCyw-2BQKcp2myjRBI8f3FIA-2F4z9esANhDrwMn56HQWVl7k0dzDojeePU-2BD78Wd1qmqCbpRzgKTDmKMZuwlMsPmH47WVtPrQOQYBy00fVdiM7QPv32-2Fe9xn2oXwInzLSglbiCftXUwdmxmKUo-2FE5ZlFpmXlNckedr1TKOJW3N-2BevmiwajK3BqnrWnepyP4w3FAbZh9BI-2Fco2vd8H0S05Llbw0tWyzT0Qyk1RELVi8J88q92JeX-2BhMca2j11EUbWFz5O3F-2BpNNOMTWq1Ledy15LVJNeLExTzEIv-2FUqrZXDqTlGsX2hrbQfrjtkd7BaRif9EVXEdK7RSDHrMQcCHigix1iC3Yy4DoQTRoHqNDf4tlZB-2BgGP1Gw-3D-3D> or public transit<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h11/7CBW3QOYpmFsnSfOK5kPeOu0thzHDvp3k4tAxPr5fraiUTan7PL-2FYQnWeSCfjYAyTNTQNhK9t4Wswf4I6x4bmmcJOF7cyITphJt2kESx1VrMhatQQa5ciKCHaWG8btU02s0ojIJjw0d3HSQ95u-2FSasj26P1e6AlGWxTEBTB9N5ujTJfQQjEgIovA5Bji-2B-2FLhHMHMugr7n9WPkUqRPeVWqulj9gC-2BrLO8QmvlaQPLCPZQjkPT1Z-2B27hVHWbWP-2FCk4hUV4bC4AEORWDMPu-2BDQH7ummwkT3-2BuYsvHrKa1Ywk4lLEXMOB8m2-2BUeCfQ8x73stDN1-2FvVSfxCGKJMuBWFW-2FUACWHqjgM02hG-2FkTg1zm7ha44Pasxe32yUoGVh3bk04VraHQRIK9HGlqe6ajVuhcZ5K86qr1vZTB-2BfpG0SKlfWVs7QpUBq7zPD2gkhQaML5jindAHe1QJ8E-2FScWLakLd5g-3D-3D> should omit mention of the place where a trillion dollars a year is going.

War and preparations for war are among the top destroyers, if not the top destroyer<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h12/903GJVbaEZ3ECkv2VIiBFp-2BeDwHMraNA4liL8TtSK9Y4Ezj-2BiTtgbbUqAbhyUo72dNNH3rYi2wrJJ3qh6kLTPymdy7NJzU2v-2Bey-2F9E-2BdXNwaqhk28FuCBegrE87r71y4vCikYEOSpNMB8dc6a3MEiBAPBjgLfg56zDfTeIEoHAJBvAKWftaUsZ1hwaXG0hbC6rZWF3FxD6BEnOMvAUwWdsnSYsFHTozNls-2FwDj78aLRmkPaLh2OsYFuHkrhNLe1tHSrdU2Bl5iooRJCYLrZEAATeOrxtL-2ByCrUHGWzxBGlj8o7GjLw8xu-2BKpErlJW3i2Ivo3COcjPoWfPywXG7JqpA-2FVo6H98gd2v9Xg02PQwbYsfQ1OoJfUtXejxwB3h9RH>, of our natural environment<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h13/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjE73P73WhGJdCy-2F44Rcok438ehcPIWk6hpQrNVXjcMnIHjLN0euSgULk6n9atQL-2BgqqoKHTJ6u5JGVgDQCiAOFVhD8M6bd-2Fs5MY-2F2wluBbxyKR8Z3fQ9qrVloIu1lnAcTFOG7-2F1xU-2FOUQW1Bvw2R-2B6iIPftMqMWHhXyV0XoF41J2u-2F-2BEfDQba19v65BNrX7DbPM-2Fd8Zkonn4f8Sq6QzWgOgrE01CwQucQp4GLn6-2FQhQ7SRmjZWLQn-2B8fBGeWpWNZmlZGYuVUICnMiEcvd-2B1A3NRHoU-2FJL1NLL4fgRhTRQ9-2FbpJZ-2FGYYbB82wD93ZGbyNBw-3D-3D>. No environmental policy can ignore them.

Militarism is the top source of the erosion of liberties, and top justification for government secrecy, top creator<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h14/RP0lV6CiRIFopFqIkfE0oIMKDgkEvweJrqPbhhkMaGAvZET8Dr9N0bUhSc3DjaowYkoNGoXkip-2Fpx2cpy-2FwO3aewmT-2F-2BxWByUYjVV4-2Fc6Z6r3a-2F-2B8UtL1jH7eyiPDUuXPxFOoRR-2FScK553WH10lU8Mr-2BRB3iNXYVT2LcI-2FTZWD4WZd4-2F6soiEaZh0Sgv2WM7BmUGo67y9lCK2oi-2BHgGCM7POltzZPv1-2F2uDU2n33eelb1db9n00AKBjz-2BwK3RnhEu0juI5iUGmPn6Q3UGpWuoI6tkB4XsOMPlkXXX6V5SOADLjYskJzAQyaDQmtkCh4eQ8jrmsbtr7Rep8yghqSmpD0-2BUplYBFF4l-2FoE-2Frej5yQas1b5yzEGd3C0RxbyhFAF> of refugees<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h15/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjHE28ka-2FNtx7lH-2B5GukIzqhKxvxHYLpVcDEelXXZH7wV8GBlVdIFeAuk98E88kqIxQgs89dnPFgkC454TKhkzALHrpoveUwdeNfN1Njc3PVZz55eHAIb-2B04bKo8433s9-2BBX7GPVNnOKM46ErN1WASBIwuW2XuKFgMNHPAHM0Y7p6rH02AO2vRu4RTge-2F8uhdh7ZTdI3zt3NxJJd3-2Bo1pkUK0EjrLhqBKrGIIA1sm-2F5kWL4LYFrIUqMZ-2FP5abxqLp9w9WcmtsxH6SHIjxn9p1oHL0FzbRgUDTpJMugVDwwSFVGtY3DFc4H3UKZ57QB6M8GegcUKrFDn0wlndDJQhwPmE-3D>, top saboteur of the rule of law, top facilitator<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h16/SATdOh-2BxymOp2Xyq3HLosqBHVq0Bs7miR-2FQ4jEjPvFqlQU9KYsCSiNl30a9Wqb3qmSBCWv-2F0tIA3h0-2BtGLewseR47eI58JWopx0VsZ88RVipDBN5QuD6bN3vWjZsH8bc85PgN0E4ySsvtwDMGfr4eZjQWQ5g29p-2B57uX38lYAvPwkFiOPBQJrS5c0D2PylXks8XXdKD6OAsikRs-2F1RHpMiMzHb8G2suI3Y3vFlZPb2TVvRonHSLwGTgNVYfmmm47rF2fjKWgDO3uM4XvGpJdFrg4vjkaoKKzpssr4FLPTtmDKepLS9mLnTwyNQsbntMwrXtAqYHg5pH4THk0-2Fc9sODY7q2x-2BU0WmiknInejU4isklRVeAP2-2BZFXXXcNOxM4v> of xenophobia and bigotry, and top reason we are at risk of nuclear apocalypse. There is no area of our social life that is untouched by what Eisenhower called the military industrial complex.

The U.S. public favors<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h17/v29ZBm1Ovnx76-2BlLUsHOygaeyt2-2FpWmD1-2BxP2MLt7w2tkdQoYiKi-2F5gHrXUvDl7zo3VdTDsZozFRBDi79hK804Gmv4pP8d4dhwf5F2qdgqPXx8rPUdDk0lE4-2BtdqbudDxooOVyEpLDiIYSMMJ-2BXJQX4tvYqQwnveFQ-2FP2bWd-2F-2FRLz-2FH0iE3s6wBE1PjX1TIFvCOhnEDF6dzOOgVFLsDab25IOFtAg5hqqzPa1BPxZdoAqCsQC6ZOU4OSPoyBDSfGyDhfjUqpO1khhlkfOG-2BKMiez66qcOQyze1Nl7aXLuFXj7JxHvyw8TJbBEBV1XyrKe63uFWTDKMJVJeTGbCSmOjfrn0I4q5DOQjJV6367CzKhfgpXbIcsmQJVvC3LcWAtBq8ifJKkLhKYzn55OEEAOA-3D-3D> cutting military spending.

Even candidate Trump declared<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h18/bL55sPJw5yQTS2veWbgrFG4H07om9-2Fd3gROVgiCXZ4erbxLk9rVxx8yxeKdk31-2Fm4h-2FPFXJH9CsFqm-2FT-2Fx6z1jHEuJyScGSfLoZYj9eOXODkJeGqGMHM5sV1LPAmEdvrskc5QInwlwFn9i7bOJBV55RlAME4xe5NbRpo-2FLeqSC2E6jguKXpHUwGYphovp0Ln-2BWnH8p7tJsfATB3kFfmBf59M4-2BH5aNPdcNXKIKO61-2F1gpYBZrMfZ8bgINJg0C96sDUXKkIFXrUvetKFEyKQXLBgULpgKfDiTyEg6pGNB3gRv8TM-2FqL5MBxqf5gdJsXWrbnVfQ-2Bt1EHGlXWygvRne6Abuuz1tD7nRlC-2F-2F2aJCDrTAgsS-2BSkgbG-2FoYeHK6BjMXP272vFq86Urrdbn60wY31SkvKiy8Poz-2FfEqyVAlogXPWcH-2FcAFTxof9wzvQKT2RPyKLcVOKJ8ZCt4TOYj98t2w-3D-3D> the wars since 2001 to have been counterproductive, a statement that appears not to have hurt him on election day.

A December 2014 Gallup poll<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h19/Clv8ebhWwsL-2F31me2cyMZrYeTv8Jx6Zru-2FR9rnn224DIeo0xTuH9ho3amZqPA6K16-2FYS1Yc1TCcZ2GN2lgEhySHDnmMRgTWfTgsso6pGV0jy1cOUPUKt4ntD3pfUM13aQlD95UxgUBhtSk3z22rx-2FiFjMR9D2pw4Z8EJykRSmSEeRv4t3H6fpagywXCi1X2hVFxV7VtA7sd24GOYR8MgqI-2FQayiME7lAYg6-2Bp1DLEQtM8XjUmYGJpi0kIdma47iecOOUF6ENNKz-2F6tyEK52pHD92X9nj50u7w-2FdM-2BjHr8Wn-2BmWZyQc5VYbaKSZuY5-2BPL1z9wz-2B1ufE8OsmdXFygLPM4DOwx7YVHwYlSKOrE1ypR6PBVILwYH9f5PuMSQUzoEiiMkhpkdNxRb6C8Y12NXVg-3D-3D> of 65 nations found the United States to be far and away the country considered the largest threat to peace in the world, and a Pew poll<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h20/h7qYQ9CbiwHXUYE6YJMXNSl-2FfCtJJJE5T7Ce7YyAg5QxvNtnot3euOxYhyvG-2B-2FV-2FB7NBAk-2F16m7NMyu7VKbJywcohHtlFb2hB3sw8yFfK0US-2FWLvbsCu5CNOcKHjIu-2FTD52oXfowUNrAA0tA12SW76vnl-2Famj7DjqWI1iY7dzSxzfkGswQ91eq3nG-2FfId4CY-2Fk4oZABSUO2uE2sRmU4Ei-2BFcBOiRBrSSVrwtEC9c3GlBGCj-2Bj22fS1IYRTZb4NE2X6tjU1q5pj9j4FPqWV6NZB1XZSokZHpqIMBol1-2FEfYOUQOmhbCdmG0aLaO1JvcW1tkbsNeO-2FPN0fBjoOyq64DRxPxJGzwPtWXh-2B34EcNKWRocI6OKDMu7sg4R9WiaatbMeKXal-2FviXF1wdTXnT0QHjQZEb7g2oi-2FvfXjQy9B1K4XukVLbx3YgOR7IKRgOOGZ> in 2017 found majorities in most countries polled viewing the United States as a threat. A United States responsible for providing clean drinking water, schools, medicine, and solar panels to others would be more secure and face far less hostility around the world; that result would cost a fraction of what is invested in making the United States resented and disliked.

Economists at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst have documented<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h21/lQAFXLiaWjoOhd28p5uwOmNuAxW7-2Bt3dzbHKOuXCfJtDhrfEiyt2wBc6yxrjZ2WE-2B9jQmUFbR-2FbgMD5ZVAMFfBHZQdVUIaSwZHGQyXjkoZcWB3wAKvBzV8oXstW6q-2B9XQNnFYOt2Xa74wD8Wxxq3CKRxKH12Wn-2FjG-2BQFQ2JrT8ZokycchUCctPaASuoU0PcmvKjULCSHksShT7HQQ2X8Y-2BJWFW6d5OS-2FPBYxiyvDVzSOWwZ0oUAp5L2VEqOaVAU7-2BWKEUiOxixRTYvd2IpinUrIT70ACTs7uV1Ih9tbW0uAlNYJu6Zi7IWzKyZ7upfod7mLaTp7hoQcw6IR6iFVQNbKsRjThUnOjvU-2BMas8tvekZUh2XusnudQwIVldKaP9I8oRWb2hMN4cypCt2ca2KbL4Exxy8Bc6Q0mwLfxRkyw2Qfb0OHCFLHgngT68N2wDTbi108i7vZ31IbbRN8HFUEw-3D-3D> that military spending is an economic drain rather than a jobs program.

We compliment you on your domestic policies. We recognize that the presidential primaries were rigged against you, and we do not wish to advance the baseless idea that you were fairly defeated. We offer our advice in a spirit of friendship. Some of us worked in support of your presidential campaign. Others of us would have worked, and worked hard, for your nomination had you been a candidate for peace.

Add your name: https://worldbeyondwar.org/bernie<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mpss/c/4QA/ni0YAA/t.2my/r7nlMaJYRrGlHQCgvYBj8A/h22/FW-2B9TN18nWxdr1JqaUfIjJgdU8AAB7lV8hutHQCCHaqO2NloWFvNG6iz02XYNRIdrIslARYhwixfY7M5j2cJfxSw0YkYkhCbGpLjsQMVqwfVtTBYwl-2B4o-2BUYpBqVWZJ55GOX5LcUwdv-2Fh-2BvNlrY3OV33v1rWCddV6nx5pcjpulPhR7rvzdMoxh44GLIGMf94g9CqwDslYV3l1P2ABvE7L1BHWJmzGOMjWywtLTF2ep-2FUjpnCgh1I-2F95O9ByMonngb9QBQAfWC4MoxcYcy-2By75NXbA8YjOtTSFNGvir5Ck85DZzR7y6Najlk06vJcj0s-2BFBFyd1PYR5oJVQnSYwZSng-3D-3D>

SIGNED BY

Elliott Adams, Chair, Meta Peace Team, Training Team, and former President, Veterans For Peace

Christine Ahn, International Coordinator, Women Cross DMZ

Shireen Al-Adeimi, Assistant Professor, Michigan State University

Hisham Ashur, Amnesty International of Charlottesville, VA

Medea Benjamin, Cofounder, CODEPINK for Peace

Karen Bernal, Chair, Progressive Caucus, California Democratic Party

Leah Bolger, Chair of Coordinating Committee, World BEYOND War; former President, Veterans For Peace

Philip Brenner, Professor, American University

Jacqueline Cabasso, Executive Director, Western States Legal Foundation; National Co-convener, United for Peace and Justice

Leslie Cagan, peace and justice organizer

James Carroll, author of House of War

Noam Chomsky, Professor, University of Arizona; Professor (emeritus), MIT

Helena Cobban, President, Just World Educational

Jeff Cohen, Founder of FAIR and co-founder of RootsAction.org<http://rootsaction.org/>

Marjorie Cohn, activist scholar; former President, National Lawyers Guild

Gerry Condon, President, Veterans For Peace

Nicolas J.S. Davies, author, journalist

John Dear, author, Campaign Nonviolence

Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz, author

Mel Duncan, Founding Director, Nonviolent Peaceforce

Carolyn Eisenberg, Professor of History and American Foreign Policy, Hofstra University

Michael Eisenscher, National Coordinator Emeritus, U.S. Labor Against the War (USLAW)

Pat Elder, Member of Coordinating Committee, World BEYOND War

Daniel Ellsberg, author, whistleblower

Jodie Evans, co-founder CODEPINK

Rory Fanning, author

Robert Fantina, Member of Coordinating Committee, World BEYOND War

Mike Ferner, Former President, Veterans For Peace

Margaret Flowers, Co-Director, Popular Resistance

Carolyn Forché, University Professor, Georgetown University

Bruce K. Gagnon, Coordinator, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space

Pia Gallegos, Former Chair, Adelante Progressive Caucus of the Democratic Party of New Mexico

Joseph Gerson (PhD), President, Campaign for Peace Disarmament and Common Security

Chip Gibbons, Journalist; Policy & Legislative Counsel, Defending Rights & Dissent

Charles Glass, author of They Fought Alone: The True Story of the Starr Brothers, British Secret Agents in Nazi-Occupied France

Van Gosse, Professor, Franklin & Marshall College

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Hugh Gusterson, Professor of anthropology and international affairs, George Washington University

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From: galliher at illinois.edu (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:37:29 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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I do.

> On Nov 28, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> I thought you liked poetry. 
> 
> ===
> 
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
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> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:57 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> A good reminder that Marx discussed capitalism (without naming it) - not communism - and when he rarely did comment on the latter, it was almost always in poetic rather than practical terms, as below. 
> 
> 
> > On Nov 28, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > "For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a shepherd, or a critical critic and must remain so if he does not wish to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, to fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have in mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic."
> > 
> > - Karl Marx, The German Ideology
> > 
> > ===
> > 
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:22 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > Alex Cockburn from a decade ago, on the “...sense that along the road from the grand visions of ’67 to the pious sustainability mantras and globe-survivalist waffle of our own phase, the vision of human liberation expressed by Marcuse had collapsed into variants of resource management and nannyism, with irksome rules and protocols, none of which had anything to do with onslaughts on capitalist ownership and control”: <https://www.thenation.com/article/dialectics-revolution-uh-recycling/>.  —CGE
> > 
> > 
> > > On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the carbon impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in Champaign-Urbana compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore] driving an electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly preferable to driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.
> > > 
> > > If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette article. 
> > > 
> > > ===
> > > 
> > > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > > Policy Director
> > > Just Foreign Policy
> > > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > > For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
> > > 
> > > M. O'Brien
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of gasoline to drive around town. 
> > > 
> > > I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen. 
> > > 
> > > We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others. 
> > > 
> > > ===
> > > 
> > > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > > Policy Director
> > > Just Foreign Policy
> > > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford books. She does research and teaching related to community memory specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
> > > 
> > > Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her my e-mail.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That just makes me sick. 
> > > 
> > > Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer patient would want to wade through it.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > John, thanks. 
> > > I value you very much. 
> > > 
> > > Thank you, Karen.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social issues and social problems. 
> > > 
> > > - Karen Medina
> > > "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain
> > > 
> > > It's the American Dream!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -------- Original message --------
> > > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
> > > To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by someone who lived in Champaign County? 
> > > 
> > > My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown. 
> > > 
> > > So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew, which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg trials. 
> > > 
> > > Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be useful to try to understand him better. 
> > > 
> > > Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company. 
> > > 
> > > On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.  
> > > 
> > > I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil; and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by Trump, not simply denounce Trump. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ===
> > > 
> > > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > > Policy Director
> > > Just Foreign Policy
> > > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for books like this one:
> > > 
> > > "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4 Volumes by Henry Ford.
> > > 
> > > Let me know if you want it.
> > > 
> > > John Wason
> > > _______________________________________________
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From jbw292002 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 19:20:46 2018
From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:20:46 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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Fascinating that Henry Ford's book about The International Jew has morphed
into poetic quotes from Karl Marx.  This is why we can't have nice things.
Except that Robert DOES have a nice electric car.  And despite the horrors
of capitalism, no one in America is MADE to do a certain thing his/her
entire life.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:53 AM Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
wrote:

>
> "For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has
> a particular exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and
> from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a shepherd, or a
> critical critic and must remain so if he does not wish to lose his means of
> livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive
> sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he
> wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible
> for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning,
> to fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after
> dinner, just as I have in mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman,
> shepherd or critic."
>
> - Karl Marx, *The German Ideology*
>
> ===
>
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:22 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> Alex Cockburn from a decade ago, on the “...sense that along the road
>> from the grand visions of ’67 to the pious sustainability mantras and
>> globe-survivalist waffle of our own phase, the vision of human liberation
>> expressed by Marcuse had collapsed into variants of resource management and
>> nannyism, with irksome rules and protocols, none of which had anything to
>> do with onslaughts on capitalist ownership and control”: <
>> https://www.thenation.com/article/dialectics-revolution-uh-recycling/>.
>> —CGE
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the
>> carbon impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in
>> Champaign-Urbana compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore]
>> driving an electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly
>> preferable to driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.
>> >
>> > If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette
>> article.
>> >
>> > ===
>> >
>> > Robert Reuel Naiman
>> > Policy Director
>> > Just Foreign Policy
>> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> > (202) 448-2898 x1
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> > For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by
>> fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate
>> change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're
>> importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits
>> from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the
>> dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
>> >
>> > M. O'Brien
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> >
>> > To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>> > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
>> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>> >
>> >
>> > For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have
>> a union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could
>> plug into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
>> gasoline to drive around town.
>> >
>> > I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of
>> gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
>> >
>> > We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
>> hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others.
>> >
>> > ===
>> >
>> > Robert Reuel Naiman
>> > Policy Director
>> > Just Foreign Policy
>> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> > (202) 448-2898 x1
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
>> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
>> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>> >
>> > Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her
>> my e-mail.
>> >
>> >
>> > I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That
>> just makes me sick.
>> >
>> > Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the
>> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer
>> patient would want to wade through it.
>> >
>> >
>> > John, thanks.
>> > I value you very much.
>> >
>> > Thank you, Karen.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
>> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was
>> under social issues and social problems.
>> >
>> > - Karen Medina
>> > "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark
>> Twain
>> >
>> > It's the American Dream!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original message --------
>> > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> >
>> > Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
>> > To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>> > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>> >
>> >
>> > Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
>> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>> >
>> > My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed
>> at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the
>> ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's
>> stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how
>> "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's
>> stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where
>> black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>> >
>> > So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
>> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew,
>> which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn
>> Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler
>> himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg
>> trials.
>> >
>> > Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might
>> be useful to try to understand him better.
>> >
>> > Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even
>> compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker
>> to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to
>> sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather
>> than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife
>> threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company.
>> >
>> > On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of
>> workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
>> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
>> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
>> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
>> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
>> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
>> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
>> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
>> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
>> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
>> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
>> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>> >
>> > I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
>> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
>> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
>> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
>> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
>> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
>> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
>> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
>> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
>> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>> >
>> >
>> > ===
>> >
>> > Robert Reuel Naiman
>> > Policy Director
>> > Just Foreign Policy
>> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> > (202) 448-2898 x1
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of
>> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
>> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
>> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
>> books like this one:
>> >
>> > "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
>> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>> >
>> > Let me know if you want it.
>> >
>> > John Wason
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Peace-discuss mailing list
>> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Peace-discuss mailing list
>> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Peace-discuss mailing list
>> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Peace-discuss mailing list
>> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Peace-discuss mailing list
>> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Wed Nov 28 19:24:41 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 19:24:41 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords  112818
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Keywords  112818

A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics

gaslight
What does gaslight mean?
We define gaslighting as “to attempt to make (someone) believe that he or she is going insane (as by subjecting that person to a series of experiences that have no rational explanation).”
Where does gaslight come from?
The modern sense of gaslighting comes from Gas Light, a play (1938) by British writer Patrick Hamilton, subsequently made into British and American films entitled Gaslight (1940 and 1944), in which a man attempts to trick his wife into believing that she is going insane. Used as a verb and verbal noun, gaslighting has been in this figurative use since at least 1956<https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/words-from-london/gaslight>.
>  Also a recent vogue-word (— H.W. Fowler) or “hotword.”  ~ RSz.

psychotomimetic
Definition - of, relating to, involving, or inducing psychotic alteration of behavior and personality
This word—from psychotic and mimetic (meaning "imitative")—first appeared in the 1950s, as mind-altering drugs began catching on with the public. The word's unpleasant association with psychosis inspired Dr. Humphry Osmond to coin the synonymous psychedelic<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/psychedelic>. That shifted the emphasis to examining how the agent might help enlarge the vision or explore the mind.
The manner by which LSD-25 produces its mental changes is obscure. The letters LSD stand for lysergic acid diethylamide. The 25 identifies it as the 25th compound in the series. The drug itself is loosely classified as “hallucinogenic” or “psychotomimetic.”
— Joe Hyams, _The New York Herald Tribune, 8 Nov. 1959

trichotillomania
Definition - an abnormal desire to pull out one's hair
Trichotillomania<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trichotillomania> comes from combining roots from New Latin (trich, meaning “hair,” and mania) and Greek (tillein, meaning “to pull, pluck”). The word appears to have come about at the suggestion of a French doctor at the end of the 19th century.
Trichotillomania.—This name is proposed by M. Hallopeau for a condition described by him at the seance of the French Society of Dermatology and Syphilography … It is a morbid condition, consisting of exacerbations of pruriginous sensations in the hairy parts of the body, accompanied by a vesania, that leads the subjects to try to get relief by pulling out the hairs, hence the name given above.
— American Journal of Insanity (Baltimore, MD), Jul. 1894
By 1896 the word was already found defined in medical dictionaries, such as George M. Gould’s The Student’s Medical Dictionary (“an uncontrollable impulse to pull out one’s hair”).

— Merriam-Webster, online

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 19:27:05 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:27:05 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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As Marx would point out, they can always look for someone else to whom to sell what makes them human - their conscious work of head and hands - so that they can eat regularly.  He called it ‘alienation.’
 

> On Nov 28, 2018, at 1:20 PM, John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Fascinating that Henry Ford's book about The International Jew has morphed into poetic quotes from Karl Marx.  This is why we can't have nice things.  Except that Robert DOES have a nice electric car.  And despite the horrors of capitalism, no one in America is MADE to do a certain thing his/her entire life.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:53 AM Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
> 
> "For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a shepherd, or a critical critic and must remain so if he does not wish to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, to fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have in mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic."
> 
> - Karl Marx, The German Ideology
> 
> ===
> 
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:22 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> Alex Cockburn from a decade ago, on the “...sense that along the road from the grand visions of ’67 to the pious sustainability mantras and globe-survivalist waffle of our own phase, the vision of human liberation expressed by Marcuse had collapsed into variants of resource management and nannyism, with irksome rules and protocols, none of which had anything to do with onslaughts on capitalist ownership and control”: <https://www.thenation.com/article/dialectics-revolution-uh-recycling/>.  —CGE
> 
> 
> > On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the carbon impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in Champaign-Urbana compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore] driving an electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly preferable to driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.
> > 
> > If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette article. 
> > 
> > ===
> > 
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
> > 
> > M. O'Brien
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> > 
> > 
> > For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of gasoline to drive around town. 
> > 
> > I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen. 
> > 
> > We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others. 
> > 
> > ===
> > 
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford books. She does research and teaching related to community memory specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
> > 
> > Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her my e-mail.
> > 
> > 
> > I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That just makes me sick. 
> > 
> > Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer patient would want to wade through it.
> > 
> > 
> > John, thanks. 
> > I value you very much. 
> > 
> > Thank you, Karen.
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social issues and social problems. 
> > 
> > - Karen Medina
> > "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain
> > 
> > It's the American Dream!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
> > To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> > 
> > 
> > Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by someone who lived in Champaign County? 
> > 
> > My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown. 
> > 
> > So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew, which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg trials. 
> > 
> > Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be useful to try to understand him better. 
> > 
> > Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company. 
> > 
> > On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.  
> > 
> > I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil; and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by Trump, not simply denounce Trump. 
> > 
> > 
> > ===
> > 
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for books like this one:
> > 
> > "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4 Volumes by Henry Ford.
> > 
> > Let me know if you want it.
> > 
> > John Wason
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Wed Nov 28 19:33:16 2018
From: galliher at illinois.edu (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:33:16 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords  112818
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Now I get it: your psychomimesis is an attempt to gaslight us into trichotillomania, isn’t it, Ron?


> On Nov 28, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Keywords  112818
> 
> A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
> 
> gaslight
> What does gaslight mean?
> We define gaslighting as “to attempt to make (someone) believe that he or she is going insane (as by subjecting that person to a series of experiences that have no rational explanation).”
> Where does gaslight come from?
> The modern sense of gaslighting comes from Gas Light, a play (1938) by British writer Patrick Hamilton, subsequently made into British and American films entitled Gaslight (1940 and 1944), in which a man attempts to trick his wife into believing that she is going insane. Used as a verb and verbal noun, gaslighting has been in this figurative use since at least 1956.
> >  Also a recent vogue-word (— H.W. Fowler) or “hotword.”  ~ RSz. 
> 
> psychotomimetic
> Definition - of, relating to, involving, or inducing psychotic alteration of behavior and personality
> This word—from psychotic and mimetic (meaning "imitative")—first appeared in the 1950s, as mind-altering drugs began catching on with the public. The word's unpleasant association with psychosis inspired Dr. Humphry Osmond to coin the synonymous psychedelic. That shifted the emphasis to examining how the agent might help enlarge the vision or explore the mind.
> The manner by which LSD-25 produces its mental changes is obscure. The letters LSD stand for lysergic acid diethylamide. The 25 identifies it as the 25th compound in the series. The drug itself is loosely classified as “hallucinogenic” or “psychotomimetic.”
> — Joe Hyams, _The New York Herald Tribune, 8 Nov. 1959
> 
> trichotillomania
> Definition - an abnormal desire to pull out one's hair
> Trichotillomania comes from combining roots from New Latin (trich, meaning “hair,” and mania) and Greek (tillein, meaning “to pull, pluck”). The word appears to have come about at the suggestion of a French doctor at the end of the 19th century.
> Trichotillomania.—This name is proposed by M. Hallopeau for a condition described by him at the seance of the French Society of Dermatology and Syphilography … It is a morbid condition, consisting of exacerbations of pruriginous sensations in the hairy parts of the body, accompanied by a vesania, that leads the subjects to try to get relief by pulling out the hairs, hence the name given above.
> — American Journal of Insanity (Baltimore, MD), Jul. 1894
> By 1896 the word was already found defined in medical dictionaries, such as George M. Gould’s The Student’s Medical Dictionary (“an uncontrollable impulse to pull out one’s hair”).
> 
> — Merriam-Webster, online
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Wed Nov 28 21:06:39 2018
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:06:39 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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Alex Cockburn ’s reputation (for me and others) suffered irremediably with his antgonistic  and ignorant opposition to the importance of human affected global warming as well as to issues of “sustainability". He was clearly off his rocker. Even if he was clairvoyant about other issues.

> On Nov 28, 2018, at 11:21 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Alex Cockburn from a decade ago, on the “...sense that along the road from the grand visions of ’67 to the pious sustainability mantras and globe-survivalist waffle of our own phase, the vision of human liberation expressed by Marcuse had collapsed into variants of resource management and nannyism, with irksome rules and protocols, none of which had anything to do with onslaughts on capitalist ownership and control”: <https://www.thenation.com/article/dialectics-revolution-uh-recycling/>.  —CGE
> 
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the carbon impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in Champaign-Urbana compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore] driving an electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly preferable to driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.
>> 
>> If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette article. 
>> 
>> ===
>> 
>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
>> 
>> M. O'Brien
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>> 
>> 
>> For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of gasoline to drive around town. 
>> 
>> I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen. 
>> 
>> We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others. 
>> 
>> ===
>> 
>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford books. She does research and teaching related to community memory specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>> 
>> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her my e-mail.
>> 
>> 
>> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That just makes me sick. 
>> 
>> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer patient would want to wade through it.
>> 
>> 
>> John, thanks. 
>> I value you very much. 
>> 
>> Thank you, Karen.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social issues and social problems. 
>> 
>> - Karen Medina
>> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain
>> 
>> It's the American Dream!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
>> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>> 
>> 
>> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by someone who lived in Champaign County? 
>> 
>> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown. 
>> 
>> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew, which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg trials. 
>> 
>> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be useful to try to understand him better. 
>> 
>> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company. 
>> 
>> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.  
>> 
>> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil; and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by Trump, not simply denounce Trump. 
>> 
>> 
>> ===
>> 
>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for books like this one:
>> 
>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4 Volumes by Henry Ford.
>> 
>> Let me know if you want it.
>> 
>> John Wason
>> _______________________________________________
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Wed Nov 28 21:10:02 2018
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:10:02 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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Michael Albert would approve.

On Nov 28, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:


"For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a shepherd, or a critical critic and must remain so if he does not wish to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, to fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have in mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic."

- Karl Marx, The German Ideology

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:22 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
Alex Cockburn from a decade ago, on the “...sense that along the road from the grand visions of ’67 to the pious sustainability mantras and globe-survivalist waffle of our own phase, the vision of human liberation expressed by Marcuse had collapsed into variants of resource management and nannyism, with irksome rules and protocols, none of which had anything to do with onslaughts on capitalist ownership and control”: <https://www.thenation.com/article/dialectics-revolution-uh-recycling/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.thenation.com_article_dialectics-2Drevolution-2Duh-2Drecycling_&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=aCimAhyh5Q_G0iAEOqwu8Q&m=3R7HtFSnhu74KPTsoGnYNrgAJMdAtmEJQ0LoagObW4E&s=rxcxIJN04gbQ1W_2gO6W1HW5oj03h7NGSpAUW3GjmbE&e=>>.  —CGE


> On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
>
> There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the carbon impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in Champaign-Urbana compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore] driving an electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly preferable to driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.
>
> If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette article.
>
> ===
>
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=aCimAhyh5Q_G0iAEOqwu8Q&m=3R7HtFSnhu74KPTsoGnYNrgAJMdAtmEJQ0LoagObW4E&s=w5G09LKZeoOfiSjRQ0Z_HFHh5ptG2v_4g7qxeUtAdqQ&e=>
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org<mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
> For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
>
> M. O'Brien
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>
> To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com<mailto:jbw292002 at gmail.com>>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>
>
> For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of gasoline to drive around town.
>
> I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
>
> We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others.
>
> ===
>
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=aCimAhyh5Q_G0iAEOqwu8Q&m=3R7HtFSnhu74KPTsoGnYNrgAJMdAtmEJQ0LoagObW4E&s=w5G09LKZeoOfiSjRQ0Z_HFHh5ptG2v_4g7qxeUtAdqQ&e=>
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org<mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com<mailto:kmedina67 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford books. She does research and teaching related to community memory specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>
> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her my e-mail.
>
>
> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That just makes me sick.
>
> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer patient would want to wade through it.
>
>
> John, thanks.
> I value you very much.
>
> Thank you, Karen.
>
>
> --
> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social issues and social problems.
>
> - Karen Medina
> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain
>
> It's the American Dream!
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>
> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com<mailto:jbw292002 at gmail.com>>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>
>
> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by someone who lived in Champaign County?
>
> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>
> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew, which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg trials.
>
> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be useful to try to understand him better.
>
> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company.
>
> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>
> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil; and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>
>
> ===
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> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for books like this one:
>
> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4 Volumes by Henry Ford.
>
> Let me know if you want it.
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Wed Nov 28 21:20:54 2018
From: galliher at illinois.edu (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:20:54 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
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And he was funny. 

As we’ve long said on News from Neptune, no one can be wrong all the time. And conversely. 

Cockburn used to say, correctly, that he could write faster than anyone who could write better. And better than anyone who could write faster.


> On Nov 28, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Alex Cockburn ’s reputation (for me and others) suffered irremediably with his antgonistic  and ignorant opposition to the importance of human affected global warming as well as to issues of “sustainability". He was clearly off his rocker. Even if he was clairvoyant about other issues.
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2018, at 11:21 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Alex Cockburn from a decade ago, on the “...sense that along the road from the grand visions of ’67 to the pious sustainability mantras and globe-survivalist waffle of our own phase, the vision of human liberation expressed by Marcuse had collapsed into variants of resource management and nannyism, with irksome rules and protocols, none of which had anything to do with onslaughts on capitalist ownership and control”: <https://www.thenation.com/article/dialectics-revolution-uh-recycling/>.  —CGE
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the carbon impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in Champaign-Urbana compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore] driving an electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly preferable to driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.
>>> 
>>> If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette article. 
>>> 
>>> ===
>>> 
>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>> Policy Director
>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
>>> 
>>> M. O'Brien
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>> To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of gasoline to drive around town. 
>>> 
>>> I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen. 
>>> 
>>> We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others. 
>>> 
>>> ===
>>> 
>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>> Policy Director
>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford books. She does research and teaching related to community memory specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>>> 
>>> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her my e-mail.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That just makes me sick. 
>>> 
>>> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer patient would want to wade through it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John, thanks. 
>>> I value you very much. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you, Karen.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social issues and social problems. 
>>> 
>>> - Karen Medina
>>> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> It's the American Dream!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by someone who lived in Champaign County? 
>>> 
>>> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown. 
>>> 
>>> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew, which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg trials. 
>>> 
>>> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be useful to try to understand him better. 
>>> 
>>> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company. 
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.  
>>> 
>>> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil; and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by Trump, not simply denounce Trump. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ===
>>> 
>>> Robert Reuel Naiman
>>> Policy Director
>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for books like this one:
>>> 
>>> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4 Volumes by Henry Ford.
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you want it.
>>> 
>>> John Wason
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From moboct1 at aim.com  Thu Nov 29 12:55:09 2018
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:55:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords  112818
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Dear Ron:
When you've finished defining Keywords in your dictionary, I hope someone doesn't give you another one for Christmas.
Midge


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Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords 112818

 Keywords  112818
A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
gaslightWhat does gaslight mean?We define gaslighting as “to attempt to make (someone) believe that he or she is going insane (as by subjecting that person to a series of experiences that have no rational explanation).”Where does gaslight come from?The modern sense of gaslighting comes fromGas Light, a play (1938) by British writer Patrick Hamilton, subsequently made into British and American films entitledGaslight (1940 and 1944), in which a man attempts to trick his wife into believing that she is going insane. Used as a verb and verbal noun,gaslighting has been in this figurative use since at least 1956.>  Also a recent vogue-word (— H.W. Fowler) or “hotword.”  ~ RSz. 
psychotomimeticDefinition - of, relating to, involving, or inducing psychotic alteration of behavior and personalityThis word—frompsychotic and mimetic (meaning "imitative")—first appeared in the 1950s, as mind-altering drugs began catching on with the public. The word's unpleasant association with psychosis inspired Dr. Humphry Osmond to coin the synonymouspsychedelic. That shifted the emphasis to examining how the agent might help enlarge the vision or explore the mind.The manner by which LSD-25 produces its mental changes is obscure. The letters LSD stand for lysergic acid diethylamide. The 25 identifies it as the 25th compound in the series. The drug itself is loosely classified as “hallucinogenic” or “psychotomimetic.”— Joe Hyams, _The New York Herald Tribune, 8 Nov. 1959
trichotillomaniaDefinition - an abnormal desire to pull out one's hairTrichotillomania comes from combining roots from New Latin (trich, meaning “hair,” andmania) and Greek (tillein, meaning “to pull, pluck”). The word appears to have come about at the suggestion of a French doctor at the end of the 19th century.Trichotillomania.—This name is proposed by M. Hallopeau for a condition described by him at the seance of the French Society of Dermatology and Syphilography … It is a morbid condition, consisting of exacerbations of pruriginous sensations in the hairy parts of the body, accompanied by a vesania, that leads the subjects to try to get relief by pulling out the hairs, hence the name given above.— American Journal of Insanity (Baltimore, MD), Jul. 1894By 1896 the word was already found defined in medical dictionaries, such as George M. Gould’sThe Student’s Medical Dictionary (“an uncontrollable impulse to pull out one’s hair”).
— Merriam-Webster, online
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From ewj at pigs.ag  Thu Nov 29 13:54:38 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 21:54:38 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords  112818
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Trichobezoar.  Hair ball.  Found in stomachs of trichotillomaniacs.

On Nov 29, 2018, 8:55 PM, at 8:55 PM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>Dear Ron:
>When you've finished defining Keywords in your dictionary, I hope
>someone doesn't give you another one for Christmas.
>Midge
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>Cc: Bill Strutz <bill.strutz at gmail.com>
>Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2018 1:26 pm
>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords 112818
>
> Keywords  112818
>A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
>gaslightWhat does gaslight mean?We define gaslighting as “to attempt to
>make (someone) believe that he or she is going insane (as by subjecting
>that person to a series of experiences that have no rational
>explanation).”Where does gaslight come from?The modern sense of
>gaslighting comes fromGas Light, a play (1938) by British writer
>Patrick Hamilton, subsequently made into British and American films
>entitledGaslight (1940 and 1944), in which a man attempts to trick his
>wife into believing that she is going insane. Used as a verb and verbal
>noun,gaslighting has been in this figurative use since at least 1956.> 
>Also a recent vogue-word (— H.W. Fowler) or “hotword.”  ~ RSz. 
>psychotomimeticDefinition - of, relating to, involving, or inducing
>psychotic alteration of behavior and personalityThis word—frompsychotic
>and mimetic (meaning "imitative")—first appeared in the 1950s, as
>mind-altering drugs began catching on with the public. The word's
>unpleasant association with psychosis inspired Dr. Humphry Osmond to
>coin the synonymouspsychedelic. That shifted the emphasis to examining
>how the agent might help enlarge the vision or explore the mind.The
>manner by which LSD-25 produces its mental changes is obscure. The
>letters LSD stand for lysergic acid diethylamide. The 25 identifies it
>as the 25th compound in the series. The drug itself is loosely
>classified as “hallucinogenic” or “psychotomimetic.”— Joe Hyams, _The
>New York Herald Tribune, 8 Nov. 1959
>trichotillomaniaDefinition - an abnormal desire to pull out one's
>hairTrichotillomania comes from combining roots from New Latin (trich,
>meaning “hair,” andmania) and Greek (tillein, meaning “to pull,
>pluck”). The word appears to have come about at the suggestion of a
>French doctor at the end of the 19th century.Trichotillomania.—This
>name is proposed by M. Hallopeau for a condition described by him at
>the seance of the French Society of Dermatology and Syphilography … It
>is a morbid condition, consisting of exacerbations of pruriginous
>sensations in the hairy parts of the body, accompanied by a vesania,
>that leads the subjects to try to get relief by pulling out the hairs,
>hence the name given above.— American Journal of Insanity (Baltimore,
>MD), Jul. 1894By 1896 the word was already found defined in medical
>dictionaries, such as George M. Gould’sThe Student’s Medical Dictionary
>(“an uncontrollable impulse to pull out one’s hair”).
>— Merriam-Webster, online
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Thu Nov 29 14:21:13 2018
From: galliher at illinois.edu (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:21:13 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords  112818
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Tycho-bezoars. 

Pearl-like minerals that accrete around bits of stone, found in the gut of Scott Hansen (born 1977), known professionally as Tycho (/ˈtaɪkoʊ/ TY-koh), an American musician, composer, songwriter and producer. He is also known as ISO50 for his photographic and design works. His music is a combination of downtempo vintage-style synthesizers and ambient melodies. His sound is very organic, often incorporating clips of the human element into his songs (e.g. weather broadcasts, simple talking, or breathing).


> On Nov 29, 2018, at 7:54 AM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Trichobezoar.  Hair ball.  Found in stomachs of trichotillomaniacs.
> On Nov 29, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> Dear Ron:
> 
> When you've finished defining Keywords in your dictionary, I hope someone doesn't give you another one for Christmas.
> 
> Midge
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Cc: Bill Strutz <bill.strutz at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2018 1:26 pm
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords 112818
> 
> Keywords  112818
> 
> A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
> 
> gaslight
> What does gaslight mean?
> We define gaslighting as “to attempt to make (someone) believe that he or she is going insane (as by subjecting that person to a series of experiences that have no rational explanation).”
> Where does gaslight come from?
> The modern sense of gaslighting comes from Gas Light, a play (1938) by British writer Patrick Hamilton, subsequently made into British and American films entitled Gaslight (1940 and 1944), in which a man attempts to trick his wife into believing that she is going insane. Used as a verb and verbal noun, gaslighting has been in this figurative use since at least 1956.
>> Also a recent vogue-word (— H.W. Fowler) or “hotword.”  ~ RSz. 
> 
> psychotomimetic
> Definition - of, relating to, involving, or inducing psychotic alteration of behavior and personality
> This word—from psychotic and mimetic (meaning "imitative")—first appeared in the 1950s, as mind-altering drugs began catching on with the public. The word's unpleasant association with psychosis inspired Dr. Humphry Osmond to coin the synonymous psychedelic. That shifted the emphasis to examining how the agent might help enlarge the vision or explore the mind.
> The manner by which LSD-25 produces its mental changes is obscure. The letters LSD stand for lysergic acid diethylamide. The 25 identifies it as the 25th compound in the series. The drug itself is loosely classified as “hallucinogenic” or “psychotomimetic.”
> — Joe Hyams, _The New York Herald Tribune, 8 Nov. 1959
> 
> trichotillomania
> Definition - an abnormal desire to pull out one's hair
> Trichotillomania comes from combining roots from New Latin (trich, meaning “hair,” and mania) and Greek (tillein, meaning “to pull, pluck”). The word appears to have come about at the suggestion of a French doctor at the end of the 19th century.
> Trichotillomania.—This name is proposed by M. Hallopeau for a condition described by him at the seance of the French Society of Dermatology and Syphilography … It is a morbid condition, consisting of exacerbations of pruriginous sensations in the hairy parts of the body, accompanied by a vesania, that leads the subjects to try to get relief by pulling out the hairs, hence the name given above.
> — American Journal of Insanity (Baltimore, MD), Jul. 1894
> By 1896 the word was already found defined in medical dictionaries, such as George M. Gould’s The Student’s Medical Dictionary (“an uncontrollable impulse to pull out one’s hair”).
> 
> — Merriam-Webster, online
> 
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From ewj at pigs.ag  Thu Nov 29 15:23:47 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 23:23:47 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords  112818
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Psychobizarros .  hairy snack food of gaslighted maniacs who have one grunch but the eggplant over there.  Tell us it's not over, Aubergine.

On Nov 29, 2018, 10:21 PM, at 10:21 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>Tycho-bezoars. 
>
>Pearl-like minerals that accrete around bits of stone, found in the gut
>of Scott Hansen (born 1977), known professionally as Tycho (/ˈtaɪkoʊ/
>TY-koh), an American musician, composer, songwriter and producer. He is
>also known as ISO50 for his photographic and design works. His music is
>a combination of downtempo vintage-style synthesizers and ambient
>melodies. His sound is very organic, often incorporating clips of the
>human element into his songs (e.g. weather broadcasts, simple talking,
>or breathing).
>
>
>> On Nov 29, 2018, at 7:54 AM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Trichobezoar.  Hair ball.  Found in stomachs of trichotillomaniacs.
>> On Nov 29, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> Dear Ron:
>> 
>> When you've finished defining Keywords in your dictionary, I hope
>someone doesn't give you another one for Christmas.
>> 
>> Midge
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>> Cc: Bill Strutz <bill.strutz at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2018 1:26 pm
>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords 112818
>> 
>> Keywords  112818
>> 
>> A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
>> 
>> gaslight
>> What does gaslight mean?
>> We define gaslighting as “to attempt to make (someone) believe that
>he or she is going insane (as by subjecting that person to a series of
>experiences that have no rational explanation).”
>> Where does gaslight come from?
>> The modern sense of gaslighting comes from Gas Light, a play (1938)
>by British writer Patrick Hamilton, subsequently made into British and
>American films entitled Gaslight (1940 and 1944), in which a man
>attempts to trick his wife into believing that she is going insane.
>Used as a verb and verbal noun, gaslighting has been in this figurative
>use since at least 1956.
>>> Also a recent vogue-word (— H.W. Fowler) or “hotword.”  ~ RSz. 
>> 
>> psychotomimetic
>> Definition - of, relating to, involving, or inducing psychotic
>alteration of behavior and personality
>> This word—from psychotic and mimetic (meaning "imitative")—first
>appeared in the 1950s, as mind-altering drugs began catching on with
>the public. The word's unpleasant association with psychosis inspired
>Dr. Humphry Osmond to coin the synonymous psychedelic. That shifted the
>emphasis to examining how the agent might help enlarge the vision or
>explore the mind.
>> The manner by which LSD-25 produces its mental changes is obscure.
>The letters LSD stand for lysergic acid diethylamide. The 25 identifies
>it as the 25th compound in the series. The drug itself is loosely
>classified as “hallucinogenic” or “psychotomimetic.”
>> — Joe Hyams, _The New York Herald Tribune, 8 Nov. 1959
>> 
>> trichotillomania
>> Definition - an abnormal desire to pull out one's hair
>> Trichotillomania comes from combining roots from New Latin (trich,
>meaning “hair,” and mania) and Greek (tillein, meaning “to pull,
>pluck”). The word appears to have come about at the suggestion of a
>French doctor at the end of the 19th century.
>> Trichotillomania.—This name is proposed by M. Hallopeau for a
>condition described by him at the seance of the French Society of
>Dermatology and Syphilography … It is a morbid condition, consisting of
>exacerbations of pruriginous sensations in the hairy parts of the body,
>accompanied by a vesania, that leads the subjects to try to get relief
>by pulling out the hairs, hence the name given above.
>> — American Journal of Insanity (Baltimore, MD), Jul. 1894
>> By 1896 the word was already found defined in medical dictionaries,
>such as George M. Gould’s The Student’s Medical Dictionary (“an
>uncontrollable impulse to pull out one’s hair”).
>> 
>> — Merriam-Webster, online
>> 
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Thu Nov 29 16:11:08 2018
From: galliher at illinois.edu (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:11:08 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords  112818
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Ach du lieber, Aubergine!

> On Nov 29, 2018, at 9:23 AM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
> 
> Psychobizarros .  hairy snack food of gaslighted maniacs who have one grunch but the eggplant over there.  Tell us it's not over, Aubergine.
> On Nov 29, 2018, at 10:21 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
> Tycho-bezoars. 
> 
> Pearl-like minerals that accrete around bits of stone, found in the gut of Scott Hansen (born 1977), known professionally as Tycho (/ˈtaɪkoʊ/ TY-koh), an American musician, composer, songwriter and producer. He is also known as ISO50 for his photographic and design works. His music is a combination of downtempo vintage-style synthesizers and ambient melodies. His sound is very organic, often incorporating clips of the human element into his songs (e.g. weather broadcasts, simple talking, or breathing).
> 
> 
>  On Nov 29, 2018, at 7:54 AM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>  
>  Trichobezoar.  Hair ball.  Found in stomachs of trichotillomaniacs.
>  On Nov 29, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>  Dear Ron:
>  
>  When you've finished defining Keywords in your dictionary, I hope someone doesn't give you another one for Christmas.
>  
>  Midge
>  
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>  To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>  Cc: Bill Strutz <bill.strutz at gmail.com>
>  Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2018 1:26 pm
>  Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords 112818
>  
>  Keywords  112818
>  
>  A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
>  
>  gaslight
>  What does gaslight mean?
>  We define gaslighting as “to attempt to make (someone) believe that he or she is going insane (as by subjecting that person to a series of experiences that have no rational explanation).”
>  Where does gaslight come from?
>  The modern sense of gaslighting comes from Gas Light, a play (1938) by British writer Patrick Hamilton, subsequently made into British and American films entitled Gaslight (1940 and 1944), in which a man attempts to trick his wife into believing that she is going insane. Used as a verb and verbal noun, gaslighting has been in this figurative use since at least 1956.
>  Also a recent vogue-word (— H.W. Fowler) or “hotword.”  ~ RSz. 
>  
>  psychotomimetic
>  Definition - of, relating to, involving, or inducing psychotic alteration of behavior and personality
>  This word—from psychotic and mimetic (meaning "imitative")—first appeared in the 1950s, as mind-altering drugs began catching on with the public. The word's unpleasant association with psychosis inspired Dr. Humphry Osmond to coin the synonymous psychedelic. That shifted the emphasis to examining how the agent might help enlarge the vision or explore the mind.
>  The manner by which LSD-25 produces its mental changes is obscure. The letters LSD stand for lysergic acid diethylamide. The 25 identifies it as the 25th compound in the series. The drug itself is loosely classified as “hallucinogenic” or “psychotomimetic.”
>  — Joe Hyams, _The New York Herald Tribune, 8 Nov. 1959
>  
>  trichotillomania
>  Definition - an abnormal desire to pull out one's hair
>  Trichotillomania comes from combining roots from New Latin (trich, meaning “hair,” and mania) and Greek (tillein, meaning “to pull, pluck”). The word appears to have come about at the suggestion of a French doctor at the end of the 19th century.
>  Trichotillomania.—This name is proposed by M. Hallopeau for a condition described by him at the seance of the French Society of Dermatology and Syphilography … It is a morbid condition, consisting of exacerbations of pruriginous sensations in the hairy parts of the body, accompanied by a vesania, that leads the subjects to try to get relief by pulling out the hairs, hence the name given above.
>  — American Journal of Insanity (Baltimore, MD), Jul. 1894
>  By 1896 the word was already found defined in medical dictionaries, such as George M. Gould’s The Student’s Medical Dictionary (“an uncontrollable impulse to pull out one’s hair”).
>  
>  — Merriam-Webster, online
>  
> 
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>  Peace-discuss mailing list
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From ewj at pigs.ag  Thu Nov 29 16:58:41 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 00:58:41 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords  112818
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Les émotions du Aubergine sont un sujet opaque.

On Nov 30, 2018, 12:11 AM, at 12:11 AM, "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>Ach du lieber, Aubergine!
>
>> On Nov 29, 2018, at 9:23 AM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>> 
>> Psychobizarros .  hairy snack food of gaslighted maniacs who have one
>grunch but the eggplant over there.  Tell us it's not over, Aubergine.
>> On Nov 29, 2018, at 10:21 PM, "C. G. Estabrook"
><galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> Tycho-bezoars. 
>> 
>> Pearl-like minerals that accrete around bits of stone, found in the
>gut of Scott Hansen (born 1977), known professionally as Tycho
>(/ˈtaɪkoʊ/ TY-koh), an American musician, composer, songwriter and
>producer. He is also known as ISO50 for his photographic and design
>works. His music is a combination of downtempo vintage-style
>synthesizers and ambient melodies. His sound is very organic, often
>incorporating clips of the human element into his songs (e.g. weather
>broadcasts, simple talking, or breathing).
>> 
>> 
>>  On Nov 29, 2018, at 7:54 AM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  Trichobezoar.  Hair ball.  Found in stomachs of trichotillomaniacs.
>>  On Nov 29, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>  Dear Ron:
>>  
>>  When you've finished defining Keywords in your dictionary, I hope
>someone doesn't give you another one for Christmas.
>>  
>>  Midge
>>  
>>  
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>  To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>>  Cc: Bill Strutz <bill.strutz at gmail.com>
>>  Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2018 1:26 pm
>>  Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords 112818
>>  
>>  Keywords  112818
>>  
>>  A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics
>>  
>>  gaslight
>>  What does gaslight mean?
>>  We define gaslighting as “to attempt to make (someone) believe that
>he or she is going insane (as by subjecting that person to a series of
>experiences that have no rational explanation).”
>>  Where does gaslight come from?
>>  The modern sense of gaslighting comes from Gas Light, a play (1938)
>by British writer Patrick Hamilton, subsequently made into British and
>American films entitled Gaslight (1940 and 1944), in which a man
>attempts to trick his wife into believing that she is going insane.
>Used as a verb and verbal noun, gaslighting has been in this figurative
>use since at least 1956.
>>  Also a recent vogue-word (— H.W. Fowler) or “hotword.”  ~ RSz. 
>>  
>>  psychotomimetic
>>  Definition - of, relating to, involving, or inducing psychotic
>alteration of behavior and personality
>>  This word—from psychotic and mimetic (meaning "imitative")—first
>appeared in the 1950s, as mind-altering drugs began catching on with
>the public. The word's unpleasant association with psychosis inspired
>Dr. Humphry Osmond to coin the synonymous psychedelic. That shifted the
>emphasis to examining how the agent might help enlarge the vision or
>explore the mind.
>>  The manner by which LSD-25 produces its mental changes is obscure.
>The letters LSD stand for lysergic acid diethylamide. The 25 identifies
>it as the 25th compound in the series. The drug itself is loosely
>classified as “hallucinogenic” or “psychotomimetic.”
>>  — Joe Hyams, _The New York Herald Tribune, 8 Nov. 1959
>>  
>>  trichotillomania
>>  Definition - an abnormal desire to pull out one's hair
>>  Trichotillomania comes from combining roots from New Latin (trich,
>meaning “hair,” and mania) and Greek (tillein, meaning “to pull,
>pluck”). The word appears to have come about at the suggestion of a
>French doctor at the end of the 19th century.
>>  Trichotillomania.—This name is proposed by M. Hallopeau for a
>condition described by him at the seance of the French Society of
>Dermatology and Syphilography … It is a morbid condition, consisting of
>exacerbations of pruriginous sensations in the hairy parts of the body,
>accompanied by a vesania, that leads the subjects to try to get relief
>by pulling out the hairs, hence the name given above.
>>  — American Journal of Insanity (Baltimore, MD), Jul. 1894
>>  By 1896 the word was already found defined in medical dictionaries,
>such as George M. Gould’s The Student’s Medical Dictionary (“an
>uncontrollable impulse to pull out one’s hair”).
>>  
>>  — Merriam-Webster, online
>>  
>> 
>>  Peace-discuss mailing list
>>  Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>  https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>  
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Thu Nov 29 18:42:41 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:42:41 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords 112918
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Keywords  112918

A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics

pulchritudinous
Definition - physically beautiful
If the meaning of this word seems counterintuitive, it's probably because the word's Latin ancestor pulcher ("beautiful") is unfamiliar, and pulchritudinous<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pulchritudinous> sounds more disgusting than enchanting. We have been using pulchritude to refer to beauty since the 15th century. Pulchritudinous is a more recent addition to our language; its use dates to the early 18th century, and only began to be used to specifically refer to people’s beauty in the middle of the 19th.
The braided locks of the pulchritudinous fair ones, with their infinity of triple plaits, are lent to the mercies of the wind.
— The Athenæum (London, Eng.), 25 Sept. 1858
=> Cp. callipygian  (Keywords 110918) : having shapely buttocks.

omphaloskepsis
Definition - contemplation of one's navel as an aid to meditation; also: lack of will to move, exert, or change: inertia
In Greek, omphalos means “navel" and skepsis means “examination." Most of us are familiar with at least some words which the latter of these roots shares parentage with (skeptic<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skeptic>, skepticism<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skepticism>), but omphalo- words are considerably more rare. Among them are omphaloid<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omphaloid>, which is defined as “resembling an umbilicus<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/umbilicus> (“navel”).
Football, tennis, and even cinemas by barbarians from the West has tended to lower the popularity of omphaloskepsis by encouraging extravert types of recreation.
— The Times of India (Mumbai, Ind.), 17 Feb. 1928

embourgeoisement
Definition - a shift to bourgeois values and practices
Embourgeoisement<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/embourgeoisement> almost always refers to a shift by the working class, not the upper class. The word was coined during the first half of the 20th century, when scholars noticed workers adopting the outlook and behavior of the middle class. For example, the new bourgeois might have a declining interest in class consciousness and an increased interest in seeing gradual, not revolutionary, changes in society.
If this is true, we may expect to see a progressive embourgeoisement of the Soviet state; those educated and highly westernized intellectuals who once directed the fortunes of the “proletarian” republic (Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Rakovsky, Radek, and their friends) must be submerged.
— Vincent Sheean, The China Weekly Review, 24 Mar. 1928


— Merriam-Webster
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Thu Nov 29 20:13:15 2018
From: galliher at illinois.edu (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:13:15 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords 112918
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Practice omphaloskepsis and await embourgeoisement, you pulchritudinous callipygian!

Translation: Turn on, tune in, and drop out, you bad ass!


> On Nov 29, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> pulchritudinous
> Definition - physically beautiful
> If the meaning of this word seems counterintuitive, it's probably because the word's Latin ancestor pulcher ("beautiful") is unfamiliar, and pulchritudinous sounds more disgusting than enchanting. We have been using pulchritude to refer to beauty since the 15th century. Pulchritudinous is a more recent addition to our language; its use dates to the early 18th century, and only began to be used to specifically refer to people’s beauty in the middle of the 19th.
> The braided locks of the pulchritudinous fair ones, with their infinity of triple plaits, are lent to the mercies of the wind.
> — The Athenæum (London, Eng.), 25 Sept. 1858
> => Cp. callipygian  (Keywords 110918) : having shapely buttocks.
> 
> omphaloskepsis
> Definition - contemplation of one's navel as an aid to meditation; also: lack of will to move, exert, or change: inertia
> In Greek, omphalos means “navel" and skepsis means “examination." Most of us are familiar with at least some words which the latter of these roots shares parentage with (skeptic, skepticism), but omphalo- words are considerably more rare. Among them are omphaloid, which is defined as “resembling an umbilicus (“navel”).
> Football, tennis, and even cinemas by barbarians from the West has tended to lower the popularity of omphaloskepsis by encouraging extravert types of recreation.
> — The Times of India (Mumbai, Ind.), 17 Feb. 1928
> 
> embourgeoisement


From ewj at pigs.ag  Thu Nov 29 22:17:50 2018
From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:17:50 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords 112918
In-Reply-To: <5C6B4E93-9C64-4CF1-BFD6-82BBF4479341@illinois.edu>
References: <BCA58648-6317-4983-9D60-63620930683F@illinois.edu>
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omphaloskepsis ... the practice of making snide remarks about the appearance of someone's navel.  

"Have y'all see Susie Beth's ugly bellybutton?  It looks like someone had a mule with a bad case of vitiligo that was rear-ended by a forklift and they recycled its ass as a sweater lint trap..."

On Nov 30, 2018, 4:13 AM, at 4:13 AM, "C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>Practice omphaloskepsis and await embourgeoisement, you pulchritudinous
>callipygian!
>
>Translation: Turn on, tune in, and drop out, you bad ass!
>
>
>> On Nov 29, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> pulchritudinous
>> Definition - physically beautiful
>> If the meaning of this word seems counterintuitive, it's probably
>because the word's Latin ancestor pulcher ("beautiful") is unfamiliar,
>and pulchritudinous sounds more disgusting than enchanting. We have
>been using pulchritude to refer to beauty since the 15th century.
>Pulchritudinous is a more recent addition to our language; its use
>dates to the early 18th century, and only began to be used to
>specifically refer to people’s beauty in the middle of the 19th.
>> The braided locks of the pulchritudinous fair ones, with their
>infinity of triple plaits, are lent to the mercies of the wind.
>> — The Athenæum (London, Eng.), 25 Sept. 1858
>> => Cp. callipygian  (Keywords 110918) : having shapely buttocks.
>> 
>> omphaloskepsis
>> Definition - contemplation of one's navel as an aid to meditation;
>also: lack of will to move, exert, or change: inertia
>> In Greek, omphalos means “navel" and skepsis means “examination."
>Most of us are familiar with at least some words which the latter of
>these roots shares parentage with (skeptic, skepticism), but omphalo-
>words are considerably more rare. Among them are omphaloid, which is
>defined as “resembling an umbilicus (“navel”).
>> Football, tennis, and even cinemas by barbarians from the West has
>tended to lower the popularity of omphaloskepsis by encouraging
>extravert types of recreation.
>> — The Times of India (Mumbai, Ind.), 17 Feb. 1928
>> 
>> embourgeoisement
>
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From: ewj at pigs.ag (E. Wayne Johnson)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:17:50 +0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords 112918
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omphaloskepsis ... the practice of making snide remarks about the appearance of someone's navel.  

"Have y'all see Susie Beth's ugly bellybutton?  It looks like someone had a mule with a bad case of vitiligo that was rear-ended by a forklift and they recycled its ass as a sweater lint trap..."

On Nov 30, 2018, 4:13 AM, at 4:13 AM, "C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>Practice omphaloskepsis and await embourgeoisement, you pulchritudinous
>callipygian!
>
>Translation: Turn on, tune in, and drop out, you bad ass!
>
>
>> On Nov 29, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> pulchritudinous
>> Definition - physically beautiful
>> If the meaning of this word seems counterintuitive, it's probably
>because the word's Latin ancestor pulcher ("beautiful") is unfamiliar,
>and pulchritudinous sounds more disgusting than enchanting. We have
>been using pulchritude to refer to beauty since the 15th century.
>Pulchritudinous is a more recent addition to our language; its use
>dates to the early 18th century, and only began to be used to
>specifically refer to people’s beauty in the middle of the 19th.
>> The braided locks of the pulchritudinous fair ones, with their
>infinity of triple plaits, are lent to the mercies of the wind.
>> — The Athenæum (London, Eng.), 25 Sept. 1858
>> => Cp. callipygian  (Keywords 110918) : having shapely buttocks.
>> 
>> omphaloskepsis
>> Definition - contemplation of one's navel as an aid to meditation;
>also: lack of will to move, exert, or change: inertia
>> In Greek, omphalos means “navel" and skepsis means “examination."
>Most of us are familiar with at least some words which the latter of
>these roots shares parentage with (skeptic, skepticism), but omphalo-
>words are considerably more rare. Among them are omphaloid, which is
>defined as “resembling an umbilicus (“navel”).
>> Football, tennis, and even cinemas by barbarians from the West has
>tended to lower the popularity of omphaloskepsis by encouraging
>extravert types of recreation.
>> — The Times of India (Mumbai, Ind.), 17 Feb. 1928
>> 
>> embourgeoisement
>
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Nov 30 06:35:01 2018
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 00:35:01 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] NfN/AOTA notes
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Here are a few additional notes including some original text I wrote to go 
along with the previous notes I sent. Have a good show Carl & Dave.


Media: "RT is unrelenting but not lying" (Suzanne Spaulding, Former deputy 
secretary for cyber and infrastructure protection at DHS in the Obama 
administration)

https://on.rt.com/9jfg -- article about Spaulding's comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATW2rNNWjQw -- video of Spaulding speaking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OZXA2lfAbw -- commentary on Spaulding's 
comments

Former deputy secretary for cyber and infrastructure protection at DHS in 
the Obama administration Suzanne Spaulding spoke at the Center for 
Strategic and International Studies in Washington and said the following 
about RT show "America's Lawyer with Mike Papantonio":

> They feature every week, stories from our courts all across the country 
> to demonstrate the truth of this statement. I don’t think there’s 
> anything in there that is a lie. [...] Oftentimes, they don’t even have
> to make things up, they simply replay, they take kernels of truth, they
> take existing divisions and weaknesses of our own making and reproduce
> them, put them out, retweet them indefinitely in a very one-sided way.

I find that RT have been doing a remarkable job of covering stories other 
news outlets won't and giving interviewees a chance to have their say 
without telling them what to say, according to interviewees.

There are a number of interesting programs on RT[1] which cover stories you 
can't find covered widely elsewhere (including self-described alternative 
news outlets like Democracy Now) and the people they interview have 
interesting research and views to talk about.

By contrast DN is showing itself to be remarkably uncritical of the 
Democratic Party in what it won't cover and how its hosts are silent on 
other stories. DN didn't cover the lawsuit against the DNC corporation from 
Bernie Sanders supporters who alleged that the DNC favored Hillary 
Clinton's campaign over Bernie Sanders' campaign in the 2016 primaries. 
DN's hosts will repeat but not analyze Russiagate stories.

In addition to trying to manufacture an excuse to explain away how Hillary 
Clinton lost a rigged election, Russiagate stories are also useful as a 
means to provoke a war with Russia. The problem is that upon closer 
inspection Russiagate stories fall apart. War with Russia makes these 
stories critical to understand including when they prove to be 
exaggerations (Russian-purchased social media ads somehow handed Trump the 
presidency), fabrications (Russians infiltrated a Vermont electrical 
facility and threatened the entire US electrical grid), or distractions 
from better analysis (like explaining why Trump was duly elected including 
the results of a study which showed that if a few states had slightly lower 
deaths in Clinton-backed wars she might have won those states electoral 
votes and be US President now).

If there are any critical views about Russiagate stories run on DN they are 
far more likely to come from the guests who might say something that 
debunks a Russiagate claim (speaking for themselves) than from the host 
(who speak for the show). DN's uncritical repetition of Russiagate stories 
is a sharp departure from how DN treated stories of Iraqi WMDs during the 
run-up to the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Back then a DN host would report on 
what, say, the New York Times published as front page news from unnamed 
sources -- allegations that there were Iraqi weapons of mass destruction 
and that this somehow ostensibly justified invading Iraq -- and then DN 
would immediately follow that up with counteranalysis from what Hans Blix's 
team at the IAEA found when they visited Iraq -- no WMDs. Back then the 
point-counterpoint was informative and offered in a timely fashion; just 
the kind of "news you can use" that I believe helped the audience local 
media outlets to air the show.

RT's "Redacted Tonight", a news comedy program, covered the story about how 
over the past 20 years the US has allowed the US Defense Dept. and Housing 
and Urban Development to let $21 trillion dollars go unaccounted for. 
Redacted Tonight put that figure into context. With that money we could 
have used that money to afford every social and economic program that gets 
widespread support -- Medicare for All, paid-for college education, living 
wage jobs for all, ending homelessness by simply buying homes for any 
homeless American, laying potable water pipes to eliminate unpotable water 
anywhere in the US, improving public schools and paying teachers proper 
living wages (no more lecturing by day, living in one's car by night), and 
so much more.


[1] "America's Lawyer" with Mike Papantonio, "In Question" with Anya 
Parampil, the news segments with Sara Montes de Oca, "The World According 
to Jesse" with Jesse Ventura and Brigida Santos, "Watching the Hawks" with 
Tyrel Ventura, Sean Stone and Tabetha Wallace, "On Contact" with Chris 
Hedges, RT UK news segments (all hosts), "Going Underground" with Afshin 
Rattansi, and "Redacted Tonight"





More on how "diversity" is a distractive con

https://www.blackagendareport.com/ocasio-cortez-nancy-pelosi-and-con-diversity 
-- main article

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AguwSKFPTEw -- Danny Haiphong's interview 
on "In Question" with Anya Parampil

https://blackagendareport.com/glen-ford-chris-hedges-contact-con-diversity 
-- earlier BAR article from Glen Ford

Danny Haiphong in the BAR article above:

> Poor people, especially poor Black Americans, cannot eat from or survive
> off “diversity.”
> 
> The midterm elections have been over for two weeks and the
> Democrat-controlled House is set to nominate corporate mainstay Nancy
> Pelosi as Speaker of the House. Pelosi has been met with opposition in
> her own party and the Bezos-owned Washington Post has questioned whether
> she will garner enough votes for the nomination. Even Donald Trump felt
> compelled to come to Pelosi’s aid, offering the long-time California
> representative votes from the Republican Party. The debate over the
> Speaker position is indicative of growing divisions with the Democratic
> Party-wing of the duopoly. However, this debate has little significance
> for the masses of exploited and impoverished workers and poor people,
> especially Black Americans,in the United States and around the world.
> The opposition to Pelosi is a public relations stunt on the part of the
> Democratic Party, which has long united against the interests of the
> poor and working-class around the con of diversity.

Now Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez has endorsed pro-war, pro-bank, pro-capitalist, 
establishment Pelosi.

> Democrats like Pelosi and Ocasio-Cortez are two different strands of the
> same diversity disease. Pelosi is an entrenched corporate Democrat with
> a net worth of 196 million dollars. She is a staunch advocate of
> capitalism and most of her campaign contributions come from large donors
> or corporate Political Action Committees (PAC). Pelosi has been a major
> supporter of the drive to war with Russia, a policy that has its roots in
> her support of U.S. funding for the wars on Iraq and Afghanistan during
> the Bush Jr. Administration. In a word, Pelosi is beloved by the ruling
> class for her decade’s worth of service to finance capital and the war
> machine even as she promotes herself as a progressive politician for the
> “99 percent.”
> 
> Pelosi’s office was recently occupied by activists from the PAC “Justice
> Democrats.” Activists demanded support from Pelosi for a Green New Deal.
> The policy has been a feature of the Green Party’s list of demands on
> the U.S. government for years, but no Greens were consulted prior to the
> protest. New York Congresswoman-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez paid a
> visit to the protest as a show of faux-opposition to Pelosi. Despite the
> sexy optics of the protest, Ocasio-Cortez demonstrated the full extent
> of the danger that the diversity con game poses to the oppressed and
> exploited masses. Ocasio-Cortez said this about Pelosi when speaking to
> the corporate media at the protest, “One of the things that I admire so
> much about Leader Pelosi, is that she comes from a place of activism and
> organizing and she really appreciates civic engagement.”
> 
> Nancy Pelosi does indeed come from a place of activism and civic
> engagement in service of imperialism. In a townhall last year, Pelosi
> told a young socialist activist that the Democratic Party was capitalist
> through and through. Pelosi opposes Medicare for All even though nearly
> ninety percent of Democrat voters support single-payer healthcare.
> Pelosi has fought for the militarization of immigration policy and has
> drawn staunch criticism from immigrant rights groups. And most recently,
> Pelosi has used her “activist” spirit to call for bipartisanship in the
> form of tax policy that would effectively strangle in their crib any
> hopes for Medicare for All or any other progressive demand. Her proposal
> for a three-fifths majority requirement in the House to raise the tax
> rates of the bottom 80 percent of earners is a right-wing dog whistle
> that masquerades as an attempt to “increase” the income of a mythical
> “middle class.” And as a loyal servant of Israel and war, Pelosi was
> perfectly fine with giving the U.S. military 57.4 billion dollars
> more than what Trump proposed for the defense spending in 2017.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Make no mistake, there is no battle for the heart and soul of the
> Democratic Party as Ocasio-Cortez would have us believe. The current
> divisions within the Democratic Party over Pelosi will eventually lead
> to consensus around an imperial agenda. What revolutionaries should pay
> attention to, however, is the growing unrest and disillusionment of the
> Democratic Party base. That is what support for Sanders initially
> represented in 2016. The Democratic Party’s commitment to war and
> austerity will continue to create the conditions for a possible split
> among those who want healthcare, jobs, and education. Our job as
> radicals and revolutionaries is to organize these sentiments into an
> anti-imperialist and socialist alternative to the duopoly. The con of
> “diversity” is impeding the motion of the masses toward these ends by
> neutralizing revolutionary politics and privileging infantile misleaders
> willing to capitulate to the corporate ruling class at every turn. If
> this phenomenon could be explained in a picture, look no further than
> Michelle Obama’s warm embrace of George W. Bush. Expect Ocasio-Cortez to
> take advantage of similar photo opportunities after finally announcing
> public support for Nancy Pelosi for speaker. “Diversity” is, as
> Ocasio-Cortez shows us, class betrayal.





WikiLeaks/Assange: Regarding the allegations The Guardian made against 
WikiLeaks -- George Galloway tells us "Julian Assange and WikiLeaks have 
never lied to me (and to us, the public)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7GprAU1U_c -- Guardian published a 
sourceless article[1] claiming Paul Manafort visited Julian Assange in the 
Ecuadorian embassy at least 3 times. WikiLeaks and Manafort deny this claim 
and the Guardian has reportedly made some edits to the article distancing 
themselves from their earlier claims. WikiLeaks also tweeted "WikiLeaks is 
willing to bet the Guardian a million dollars and its editor’s head that 
Manafort never met Assange"[2]. Corporate media (including CBS, MSNBC, and 
CNN) instantly repeated the Guardian's claim without critique. Glenn 
Greenwald's Intercept article[3] is very informative on this.

[1] 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/27/manafort-held-secret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy

[2] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1067430101548027906

[3] 
https://theintercept.com/2018/11/27/it-is-possible-paul-manafort-visited-julian-assange-if-true-there-should-be-ample-video-and-other-evidence-showing-this/

The case against the Guardian's claim is clear: The Guardian's claim comes 
from unnamed sources said to be working with the Ecuadorian embassy. The 
Guardian's claim means: Manafort somehow dodged a massive surveillance 
program in London, Manafort wasn't logged into the Ecuadorian embassy 
logbook of all of Assange's visitors, and nobody else saw Manafort's visit 
to a constantly-watched building to see an internationally-known person of 
interest. Given all of the infrastructure that would provide some evidence 
of Manafort's visit, the Guardian should have provided evidence to back up 
their claim but they provide none.

The US Government wants Assange in their hands so he can be secretly tried 
and given the death penalty, or perhaps "extraordinarily rendered" 
(kidnapped) to a "black site" (secret prison) where he can be forced to 
reveal information via torture, or killed. This is also a Russiagate story 
as well: Hillary Clinton cites WikiLeaks as one of the many excuses why she 
lost in 2016.

Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hyZktgMp4Q -- "On Contact" with 
Chris Hedges interviews Joe Lauria in an episode titled "Crucifying Julian 
Assange" in which he covers how Assange might be prosecuted, hearing a plea 
from Christine Assange (Julian Assange's mother), and discussion of how 
there is a disturbing set of actors who are okay with pursuing Assange 
(Republicans & Democrats want to do this, the public seems supportive or 
disinterested/distracted, and this is very disturbing for press freedom and 
our own education and civil liberties).

Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kihHqiHsU-c -- interview with 
Annie Machon, former MI5 intelligence agent who resigned in the 1990s to 
become a whistleblower about agent's incompetence and crimes, about 
Assange's political value as a pawn in a larger story.





War: Afghanistan

The US killed at least 30 civilians in Afghanistan on Wednesday; the first 
6 months in 2018 shows the highest number of bombs dropped on Afghanistan 
since this war began (700 more than the peak of the war in 2011) and 2018 
is a record year for deaths there according to the UN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdpTyEI3MaQ -- report from "In Question" 
featuring an interview with George Galloway making important points 
throughout. The Taliban are identified as a major stakeholder there (the US 
war in Afghanistan has apparently given the Taliban control over more land 
than at any point since that war began) so it's questionable (perhaps 
downright impossible to imagine) these peace talks being anything but a 
setup to fail and something the US can try to use to justify more war. The 
US continues to claim it is "in our interest to see Afghanistan succeed, 
peaceful, democratic, and enjoying good relations with its neighbors" even 
though it's not in the war profiteer's interest to see any war ever end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSUsPr-tXPo -- Afghanistan so-called "peace 
talks" proceed without Taliban. Is the US really interested in the Afghan 
peace they claim to seek?







War: Yemen

The Yemeni war is unpopular in the Senate, but since weapons manufacturers 
profit from this, what are the real chances of ending Saudi Arabian support 
in this war?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJbbHJjskek -- Senators back proposal to 
end SA support and allege they're interested because children are suffering 
(including the craven Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin who is shown speaking on 
the Senate floor pointing to pictures of starving children). But 15 million 
people on the brink of starving, a cholera epidemic made worse by the 
US-backed SA-led war, and rampant poverty didn't seem to motivate the 
Senate's sympathy until after Khashoggi was murdered. How far can this bill 
really go?

The Intercept is sanguine about this[1][2]. I suspect that really has more 
to do with trying to make Democrats look good than what's good for the war 
profiteers.

[1] 
https://theintercept.com/2018/11/29/the-senate-just-took-a-major-step-toward-ending-the-war-in-yemen-what-happens-now/

[2] https://theintercept.com/2018/11/27/us-senate-vote-yemen-war/






Russiagate: Maria Butina

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCtrm1DEr_0 -- Butina's father speaks to RT 
saying she does not deserve her harsh conditions -- being not allowed to 
sleep for two weeks, being woken every 15 minutes, being kept in cold 
conditions, being denied medical care, subjected to strip searches, being 
segregated in prison, and awaiting trial for three months.

Butina is a Russian national and gun enthusiast who visited the US on a 
student visa. She was targeted by the US Government after failing to 
register as a foreign agent (very much like what RT was threatened with if 
they didn't register, including RT America) and charged with "conspiracy to 
act as an agent of the Russian Federation".

Butina is currently in a Virginia prison in solitary confinement awaiting 
trial. US prosecutors alleged that Butina was a Russian spy and traded sex 
for some kind of power (which wasn't clear), but there was no evidence to 
back the claim that she was either a spy or trading sex at all. Prosecutors 
later stopped making the claim about trading sex admitting they 
misinterpreted a joke she texted her friend about using sex to get into 
Republican politics.






Economy: Israel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abyHZnYiyhQ -- US will fund Israel's 
military like never before -- $38 billion and likely to go up in future 
years. Sen. Rand Paul put a hold on the aid bill. This piece is an 
interview with Alison Weir.

Meanwhile the US has homeless people, people who want a living wage job, 
people who want to try a guaranteed annual income, mainstream support for 
Medicare for All, a strong taste for potable water, and so much more.







Science: Editing human DNA for HIV resistance; better living through 
technology?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ2Zc7jirjI -- Chinese scientist 贺建奎 (He 
Jiankui) of Shenzhen claims he helped make the world's first genetically 
edited babies -- twin girls born this month named Lulu and Nana -- by 
editing their embryo's DNA with CRISPR-cas9 gene editing technology during 
fertility treatments in order to make them HIV-resistant. This claim is 
unverified as of now.

Chinese authorities suspended all He's research activities, saying He's 
work was "extremely abominable in nature" and a violation of Chinese law.[1]

[1] http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-11/29/c_137640174.htm

-J

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 30 16:00:17 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:00:17 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Crosstalk "The fate of Julian Assange"
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Julian Assange’s trials
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The fate of Julian Assange is unclear. Washington is determined that he be sent to the USA to face criminal charges, most likely under the 1917 Espionage Act. The British government is more than happy to make this happen. Even the Ecuadoreans are in on the act. What we are watching unfold in front of our eyes is the criminalization of journalism.

CrossTalking with Joe Lauria, Patrick Henningsen, and Gareth Porter.








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