[Peace-discuss] BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at the border (Act Now)

Sat Nov 24 23:50:40 UTC 2018

Whether there should be a government and hence a border at all is a reasonable question.  Also one might consider whether the dynasty in the sense of area affected by a power is a crisp or a fuzzy set.  It does possess a radius and might be a ring or a disk or a spinning rod.

We have recently been dealing with an extremely serious transboundary disease African Swine Fever (look It up) which is forcing quarantines and the management of zones.  There are.many reasons to break through hedges.  hedgehogs are prickly for sure and there is pining for pork and for the fjords and the crisislers.

so many reasons to break the boundary, all of them sane.

governments seem to have an area over which they exercise control that seems to be statistical like eulers moments...he had his moments.

On Nov 22, 2018, 9:14 PM, at 9:14 PM, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
>Wayne—
>
>You can’t be serious. The proper course is to open the borders (as they
>were until after WWI) and make provision for the refugees, who’ve been
>driven out of their homes by US imperialism.
>
>And I miss the joke about the conservation of angular momentum.
>
>Happy Thanksgiving (in re the acceptance of refugees), CGE
> 
>
>> On Nov 21, 2018, at 7:58 PM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss
><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Well. the migrant caravan intent to storm the southern border of
>those Untied States is indeed best interpreted as an act of aggression
>by a organized foreign power and hence a threat to the federal
>authority and a challenge to the integrity of the border.
>> 
>> The only reasonable response is the exercise of deadly force with
>extreme prejudice.  
>> If there is no consequence to violation of the authority and the
>border, then there is no
>> reason to respect the authority within the borders, either.
>> 
>> The angular mass of  authority is  I=mr2.
>> 
>> If there is no border, then "r" deflates to zero and no matter how
>large "m" is, 
>> there is no effect.
>> 
>> *
>> Euler might be said to be rather inscrutable,
>> but he had his moments.
>> 
>> Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote:
>>> From: Mariam Iskajyan <info at winwithoutwar.org>
>>> Subject: BREAKING: Troops can now shoot migrants at the border (Act
>Now)
>>> Date: November 21, 2018 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Ron,
>>> 
>>> This morning, news broke that the Trump administration issued an
>order authorizing troops at the border to use deadly force against
>migrants. This is not only horrifying, it violates the critical law
>that keeps the military completely separate from domestic law
>enforcement. [1]
>>> 
>>> This is one of the most dangerous things the Trump administration
>has ever done. Active-duty troops authorized to shoot people seeking
>refuge at the southern border not only terrorizes migrant families, it
>erodes our rule of law, and makes servicemembers political pawns. This
>is not just terrifying—it’s illegal and we cannot allow it to happen.
>>> 
>>> Together with our friends at CREDO Action, tens of thousands of us
>have taken action to demand Secretary of Defense James Mattis cancel
>and recall troops from the border. With today’s shameful and
>unprecedented news, we MUST keep the pressure on, and have our voices
>heard.
>>> 
>>> That’s why we’re issuing an urgent call to demand Sec. Mattis make
>clear that U.S. troops are not authorized to use deadly force at the
>border, and to bring the troops home immediately.
>>> 
>>> Sign now! Tell Sec. Mattis to make clear that U.S. troops cannot use
>any force against migrants. Period. Bring the troops home immediately.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This new order by Trump’s White House is dangerous on three fronts:
>it further terrorizes migrants seeking safety and refuge, it upends
>longstanding law, and it expands Trump’s rising authoritarianism.
>>> 
>>> The illegal order came from the White House chief of staff, John
>Kelly — who has no official military role. In other words, someone
>outside military “chain of command” is telling troops what to do.
>That’s deeply dangerous.
>>> 
>>> But Secretary of Defense James Mattis IS in the “chain of command.”
>He must use his official power to make clear that the military will not
>be used to violate the law. That’s why we must double down and demand
>louder than ever that Sec. Mattis reject any illegal or
>unconstitutional order, and immediately withdraw ALL troops, including
>the National Guard, from the border now.
>>> 
>>> Tell Sec. Mattis: Stand up for the rule of law. Reject the White
>House order and bring the troops home from the border NOW!
>>> 
>>> Ron, those walking hundreds of miles in pursuit of refuge have every
>right to seek asylum in this country. This holiday season we are
>opening our doors and tables to break bread with community, because we
>know we are stronger when we’re united. Not only should troops be at
>home for the holidays, but migrants seeking refuge and sustenance
>should be met with welcoming arms and open hearts—not bans, walls, and
>deadly force. Let’s do everything we can to take a stand against hatred
>and state violence today.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for working for peace,
>>> 
>>> Mariam, Michelle, Erica, and the Win Without War team
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> [1] Military Times, "White House approves use of force, some law
>enforcement roles for border troops"
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