[Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?

Wed Nov 28 16:28:37 UTC 2018

There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the carbon
impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in Champaign-Urbana
compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore] driving an
electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly preferable to
driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.

If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette
article.

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Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by
> fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate
> change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're
> importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits
> from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the
> dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
>
> M. O'Brien
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>
>
> For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have a
> union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could plug
> into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
> gasoline to drive around town.
>
> I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop of
> gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
>
> We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
> hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others.
>
> ===
>
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
>
>
> Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her my
> e-mail.
>
>
>
> I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center. That
> just makes me sick.
>
>
> Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took the
> book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average cancer
> patient would want to wade through it.
>
>
>
> John, thanks.
> I value you very much.
>
>
> Thank you, Karen.
>
>
>
> --
> In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging classification
> called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was under social
> issues and social problems.
>
> - Karen Medina
> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark
> Twain
>
>
> It's the American Dream!
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
> To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
>
>
> Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
> someone who lived in Champaign County?
>
> My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is housed at
> the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can document the
> ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign County. There's
> stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County, showing how
> "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members. There's
> stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County, towns where
> black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
>
> So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by *The International
> Jew, *which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from *The
> Dearborn Independent, *and which was cited by leading Nazis, including
> Hitler himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the
> Nuremberg trials.
>
> Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might be
> useful to try to understand him better.
>
> Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even compared
> to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker to sign a
> contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to sabotage the
> negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather than accept a
> UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife threatened to divorce
> him if he broke up the company.
>
> On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being of
> workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
>
> I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
>
>
> ===
>
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>
>
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>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>
> Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of you
> ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
> books like this one:
>
> "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
> Volumes by Henry Ford.
>
> Let me know if you want it.
>
> John Wason
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