[Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?

Wed Nov 28 18:25:57 UTC 2018

I thought you liked poetry.

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Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
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On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:57 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> A good reminder that Marx discussed capitalism (without naming it) - not
> communism - and when he rarely did comment on the latter, it was almost
> always in poetic rather than practical terms, as below.
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> > On Nov 28, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Robert Naiman <
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man
> has a particular exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and
> from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a shepherd, or a
> critical critic and must remain so if he does not wish to lose his means of
> livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive
> sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he
> wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible
> for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning,
> to fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after
> dinner, just as I have in mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman,
> shepherd or critic."
> >
> > - Karl Marx, The German Ideology
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:22 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > Alex Cockburn from a decade ago, on the “...sense that along the road
> from the grand visions of ’67 to the pious sustainability mantras and
> globe-survivalist waffle of our own phase, the vision of human liberation
> expressed by Marcuse had collapsed into variants of resource management and
> nannyism, with irksome rules and protocols, none of which had anything to
> do with onslaughts on capitalist ownership and control”: <
> https://www.thenation.com/article/dialectics-revolution-uh-recycling/>.
> —CGE
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 28, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > There was a recent item in the News-Gazette that explained what the
> carbon impact currently is of driving an electric-powered car in
> Champaign-Urbana compared to a gasoline-powered car and why [therefore]
> driving an electric-powered car now in Champaign-Urbana is strongly
> preferable to driving a gasoline-powered car in terms of climate impact.
> > >
> > > If anyone here cares about facts, they can go find the News-Gazette
> article.
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > > Policy Director
> > > Just Foreign Policy
> > > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > > For the record, electric power in these parts is probably fueled by
> fracked gas or coal so electric cars are really not a  solution to climate
> change, although they may make us feel better.  I don't think we're
> importing much petro from the Saudis these days, but U.S. BigOil profits
> from exporting our fossil fuel.  Saudi fuel powers this country with the
> dollar which accounts for a large amount of U.S. corporate profit.
> > >
> > > M. O'Brien
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:44 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> > >
> > >
> > > For the record, I own a Ford. I bought a Ford because I wanted to have
> a union-made, American car, that was also a plug-in hybrid, that I could
> plug into an outlet in the garage, so I could use electricity instead of
> gasoline to drive around town.
> > >
> > > I can drive my Ford all over Champaign-Urbana without using one drop
> of gasoline fueling the Saudi regime's genocide in Yemen.
> > >
> > > We have a lot of evil to oppose. In general, it doesn't help us to
> hyper-focus on opposing one evil at the expense of opposing all the others.
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > > Policy Director
> > > Just Foreign Policy
> > > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:16 AM kmedina67 <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Brett Kaplan at the university might be interested in the Henry Ford
> books. She does research and teaching related to community memory
> specifically around the holocaust and anti-semitism.
> > >
> > > Well, Karen, if you know her, ask her if she wants it.  Or forward her
> my e-mail.
> > >
> > >
> > > I wonder how the set ended up outside the cancer treatment center.
> That just makes me sick.
> > >
> > > Kinda ironic, huh?  And that's more or less what I thought.  I took
> the book to get it out of general circulation.  Not that your average
> cancer patient would want to wade through it.
> > >
> > >
> > > John, thanks.
> > > I value you very much.
> > >
> > > Thank you, Karen.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > In the early 20 th century, there was a  library cataloging
> classification called "The Jewish problem", if i remember correctly. It was
> under social issues and social problems.
> > >
> > > - Karen Medina
> > > "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" -
> Mark Twain
> > >
> > > It's the American Dream!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original message --------
> > > From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > Date: 11/27/18 06:29 (GMT-06:00)
> > > To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Anyone want this book?
> > >
> > >
> > > Are there any markings in the books that indicate their ownership by
> someone who lived in Champaign County?
> > >
> > > My wife directs the Champaign County Historical Archive which is
> housed at the Urbana Free Library. She might be interested if we can
> document the ownership of the books by someone who lived in Champaign
> County. There's stuff in the archives about the Klan in Champaign County,
> showing how "upstanding members" of Champaign County society were members.
> There's stuff in the archives about sundown towns in Champaign County,
> towns where black people were not welcome under threat after sundown.
> > >
> > > So maybe they'd be interested in a historical record of how someone in
> Champaign County owned and was perhaps influenced by The International Jew,
> which was a collection of Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn
> Independent, and which was cited by leading Nazis, including Hitler
> himself, as a significant inspiration to them, including at the Nuremberg
> trials.
> > >
> > > Ford was a hugely influential character in American history; it might
> be useful to try to understand him better.
> > >
> > > Ford was a passionate anti-Semite and fiercely anti-union, even
> compared to other industrialists at the time; Ford was the last automaker
> to sign a contract with the UAW, and Ford did everything he could to
> sabotage the negotiations, even threatening to break up the company rather
> than accept a UAW contract; reportedly he relented after his wife
> threatened to divorce him if he broke up the company.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, Ford was genuinely concerned about the well-being
> of workers, not only in his own company, but in the economy as a whole; he
> reduced work hours and increased wages compared to other employers, partly
> because he believed this would increase productivity, partly because he
> believed that workers should have more leisure so they could buy more
> stuff. The idea of the Model T was to build a car that workers could afford
> to buy, so that owning and driving a car wouldn't be a luxury exclusive to
> the super-rich. Ford hired black workers, more than others at the time. And
> Ford was a pacifist. He believed that war was substantially caused by war
> profiteers who sought to get rich from war production [we don't need to
> look beyond the U.S. role in the Saudi war in Yemen to see how right he was
> about that.] He also believed that war could be substantially prevented by
> ensuring widespread prosperity, an idea that is now commonplace.
> > >
> > > I think we're better off overall acknowledging that all these ideas
> existed in the same person and had huge influence for both good and evil;
> and how the good ideas Ford had - and the fact that they were too rare at
> the time - helped propel and give currency to the evil ideas. The parallels
> to Trump are obvious. Many liberals are horrified by the currency of Trump
> - as they should be - without taking responsibility for how the failures of
> American liberalism helped give rise to Trump, by creating a vacuum which
> Trump could fill. If we want Trumpism to fail, we have to fill the vacuum
> with something else that appeals to some of the people who were seduced by
> Trump, not simply denounce Trump.
> > >
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > > Policy Director
> > > Just Foreign Policy
> > > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 3:52 AM John W. via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Before I throw it in the trash, it occurred to me to wonder if any of
> you ultra-AWARE folks might want this book for your historical archives.  I
> found it among the free books on the bookshelf outside the Cancer Center at
> Carle.  I don't ordinarily throw books away, but I make an exception for
> books like this one:
> > >
> > > "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem"  The Complete 4
> Volumes by Henry Ford.
> > >
> > > Let me know if you want it.
> > >
> > > John Wason
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