[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Letter to the News-Gazette, on the coming election

E. Wayne Johnson ewj at pigs.ag
Wed Oct 10 01:34:46 UTC 2018


Bob Naiman "owes" me $250.00 on a bet he lost.
Just sayin'...

David Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote:
>
> “  She told me she would. “
>
> Really Bob ? and you believe her ?
>
> Even you cannot be that naive.
>
> In regards to the other Democrats, you are STILL going on the false 
> assumption that the Democrats are anti-war. Neither their past actions 
> nor their more recent actions ( as I mentioned in my original post ) 
> prove this to be the case.
>
> Just wait until there is a serious chance of it having a chance of 
> passing, and then see what many of the Democrats will end up doing. 
> They will either abstain, not show up to vote, or end up changing 
> their vote.
>
> Sorry Bob, but this is the political reality we live in and no amount 
> of wishful thinking is going to change it until the war mongers are 
> voted out of office, regardless of which party they are affiliated with.
>
> David J.
>
> *From:*Robert Naiman [mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2018 6:12 PM
> *To:* David Johnson
> *Cc:* Peace-discuss List
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Letter to the News-Gazette, on 
> the coming election
>
> 1. She told me she would.
>
> 2. It took longer than it should have, but this is an "almost all 
> Democrats" position now. Adam Smith, top Democrat on the House Armed 
> Services Committee, poised to become its chair if Democrats take the 
> House, is an original co-sponsor of the bill. Jim McGovern, top 
> Democrat on the Rules Committee, poised to become its chair if 
> Democrats take the House, is an original co-sponsor of the bill. Eliot 
> Engel, top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, poised to 
> become its chair if Democrats take the House, is an original 
> co-sponsor of the bill. Nita Lowey, top Democrat on the House 
> Appropriations Committee, poised to become its chair if Democrats take 
> the House, is an original co-sponsor of the bill. Jerry Nadler, top 
> Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, poised to become its chair if 
> Democrats take the House, is a co-sponsor of the bill.
>
> 3. Of the 41 co-sponsors so far, exactly two are Republicans. The 
> other 39 are Democrats. We've been trying to get Republicans to 
> co-sponsor. *Including Rodney Davis.* No response so far. *I encourage 
> folks to call Rodney Davis' office and urge him to co-sponsor the 
> bill. I did. Here's the phone number:* *(202) 225-2371. Please post a 
> note here when you have made your call. *
>
> 4. Within days, we will have many more co-sponsors. The House is out 
> of session, so they can't be officially added every day, only when 
> there is a "pro-forma session," and the next one is Friday. But we 
> picked up several new co-sponsors today. All of the new co-sponsors so 
> far are Democrats.
>
> 5. This is predictably how it's going to go. It will be much easier to 
> add Democrats than to add Republicans. If we can successfully pressure 
> the House Republican leadership to allow a vote, I expect almost all 
> Democrats to vote yes. If we can get 20% of Republicans to also vote 
> yes, we will win the vote. It will be easier to get almost all 
> Democrats than to get 20% of Republicans.
>
> ===
>
>
> Robert Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org <http://www.justforeignpolicy.org>
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:28 PM David Johnson 
> <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net <mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>> 
> wrote:
>
>     I am glad to see that it has 40 or so co-sponsors, that is still
>     only ( correct if me if I am wrong ) about 1/3 of House Democrats.
>
>     I hope more sign on but that doesn’t mean Londrigan will support
>     it IF she is elected.
>
>     David J.
>
>     *From:*Robert Naiman [mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>     <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>]
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2018 2:24 PM
>     *To:* David Johnson
>     *Cc:* Peace-discuss List
>     *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Letter to the News-Gazette,
>     on the coming election
>
>     Check out the co-sponsors of the bipartisan
>     Khanna-Massie-Smith-Jones-Pocan Yemen war powers bill.
>
>     What patterns do you see?
>
>     https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/138/cosponsors
>
>
>       H.Con.Res.138 - Directing the President pursuant to section 5(c)
>       of the War Powers Resolution to remove United States Armed
>       Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not
>       been authorized by Congress.
>
>     Sponsor: Rep. Khanna, Ro [D-CA-17]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/ro-khanna/K000389?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22khanna+yemen%22%5D%7D> |
>     Cosponsor statistics: 41 current - includes 26 original
>
>     *Cosponsor*
>
>     	
>
>     *Date Cosponsored*
>
>     Rep. Smith, Adam [D-WA-9]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/adam-smith/S000510>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Pocan, Mark [D-WI-2]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/mark-pocan/P000607>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. McGovern, James P. [D-MA-2]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/james-mcgovern/M000312>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Hoyer, Steny H. [D-MD-5]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/steny-hoyer/H000874>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Engel, Eliot L. [D-NY-16]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/eliot-engel/E000179>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Massie, Thomas [R-KY-4]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/thomas-massie/M001184>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Lieu, Ted [D-CA-33]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/ted-lieu/L000582>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Lee, Barbara [D-CA-13]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/barbara-lee/L000551>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. O'Rourke, Beto [D-TX-16]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/beto-o-rourke/O000170>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Jones, Walter B., Jr. [R-NC-3]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/walter-jones/J000255>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Courtney, Joe [D-CT-2]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/joe-courtney/C001069>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Kennedy, Joseph P., III [D-MA-4]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/joseph-kennedy/K000379>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Schakowsky, Janice D. [D-IL-9]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/janice-schakowsky/S001145>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Gabbard, Tulsi [D-HI-2]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/tulsi-gabbard/G000571>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Capuano, Michael E. [D-MA-7]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/michael-capuano/C001037>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Clarke, Yvette D. [D-NY-9]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/yvette-clarke/C001067>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Espaillat, Adriano [D-NY-13]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/adriano-espaillat/E000297>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Grijalva, Raul M. [D-AZ-3]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/raul-grijalva/G000551>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Jayapal, Pramila [D-WA-7]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/pramila-jayapal/J000298>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Moore, Gwen [D-WI-4]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/gwen-moore/M001160>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Dingell, Debbie [D-MI-12]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/debbie-dingell/D000624>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. DeFazio, Peter A. [D-OR-4]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/peter-defazio/D000191>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Blumenauer, Earl [D-OR-3]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/earl-blumenauer/B000574>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Deutch, Theodore E. [D-FL-22]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/theodore-deutch/D000610>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Welch, Peter [D-VT-At Large]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/peter-welch/W000800>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Lowey, Nita M. [D-NY-17]*
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/nita-lowey/L000480>
>
>     	
>
>     09/26/2018
>
>     Rep. Pallone, Frank, Jr. [D-NJ-6]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/frank-pallone/P000034>
>
>     	
>
>     09/27/2018
>
>     Rep. Garamendi, John [D-CA-3]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/john-garamendi/G000559>
>
>     	
>
>     09/27/2018
>
>     Rep. Speier, Jackie [D-CA-14]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/jackie-speier/S001175>
>
>     	
>
>     09/27/2018
>
>     Rep. Lofgren, Zoe [D-CA-19]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/zoe-lofgren/L000397>
>
>     	
>
>     09/27/2018
>
>     Rep. Castro, Joaquin [D-TX-20]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/joaquin-castro/C001091>
>
>     	
>
>     09/28/2018
>
>     Rep. Huffman, Jared [D-CA-2]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/jared-huffman/H001068>
>
>     	
>
>     09/28/2018
>
>     Rep. Nadler, Jerrold [D-NY-10]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/jerrold-nadler/N000002>
>
>     	
>
>     09/28/2018
>
>     Rep. Tonko, Paul [D-NY-20]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/paul-tonko/T000469>
>
>     	
>
>     10/05/2018
>
>     Rep. Bass, Karen [D-CA-37]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/karen-bass/B001270>
>
>     	
>
>     10/05/2018
>
>     Rep. Hanabusa, Colleen [D-HI-1]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/colleen-hanabusa/H001050>
>
>     	
>
>     10/05/2018
>
>     Rep. Pingree, Chellie [D-ME-1]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/chellie-pingree/P000597>
>
>     	
>
>     10/05/2018
>
>     Rep. Walz, Timothy J. [D-MN-1]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/timothy-walz/W000799>
>
>     	
>
>     10/05/2018
>
>     Rep. Titus, Dina [D-NV-1]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/dina-titus/T000468>
>
>     	
>
>     10/05/2018
>
>     Rep. Jeffries, Hakeem S. [D-NY-8]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/hakeem-jeffries/J000294>
>
>     	
>
>     10/05/2018
>
>     Rep. Napolitano, Grace F. [D-CA-32]
>     <https://www.congress.gov/member/grace-napolitano/N000179>
>
>     	
>
>     10/05/2018
>
>     ===
>
>
>     Robert Naiman
>     Policy Director
>     Just Foreign Policy
>     www.justforeignpolicy.org <http://www.justforeignpolicy.org>
>     naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>
>     (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>     On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:59 PM David Johnson via Peace-discuss
>     <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>     <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
>         I don’t bet Bob,
>
>         Just explain your evidence that would support your belief that
>         she would go against her DNC handlers.
>
>         David Johnson
>
>         *From:*Robert Naiman [mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>         <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>]
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2018 1:56 PM
>         *To:* David Johnson
>         *Cc:* Peace-discuss List
>         *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Letter to the
>         News-Gazette, on the coming election
>
>         OK, let's bet.
>
>         I bet you dinner that if Betsy wins, she will support
>         legislation to end unconstitutional U.S. participation in the
>         Saudi war in Yemen.
>
>         Do we have a bet?
>
>         ===
>
>
>         Robert Naiman
>         Policy Director
>         Just Foreign Policy
>         www.justforeignpolicy.org <http://www.justforeignpolicy.org>
>         naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>
>         (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>         On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:53 PM David Johnson via Peace-discuss
>         <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>         <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
>             Bob,
>
>             We are 4-weeks away from election day and a lot can happen
>             between now and then.
>
>             I said a “ minor miracle “ would be the only way she will
>             win, and that could happen. But I seriously doubt she will
>             win.
>
>             My point was that it will make no difference if Davis or
>             Londrigan are elected. Both will continue the same pro-war
>             policies of their corporate masters and neither will be
>             persuaded otherwise by their constituents.
>
>             David johnson
>
>             *From:*Robert Naiman [mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>             <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>]
>             *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2018 1:44 PM
>             *To:* David Johnson
>             *Cc:* Peace-discuss List
>             *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Letter to the
>             News-Gazette, on the coming election
>
>             I wouldn't be so sure that Betsy will not beat Rodney. A
>             recent poll has her down by one point, within the poll's
>             margin of error. My point was, if Betsy is coming close to
>             beating Rodney, then Dems already have the House.
>             Therefore, keeping Dems from taking the House is not a
>             reason to vote for Rodney. It will not have that effect.
>
>
>             Robert Naiman
>             Policy Director
>             Just Foreign Policy
>             www.justforeignpolicy.org <http://www.justforeignpolicy.org>
>             naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>             <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>
>             (202) 448-2898 x1
>
>             On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:35 PM David Johnson
>             <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net
>             <mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>                 Thanks to Bob Naiman and Carl for their views and
>                 analysis.
>
>                 Here is my take on the subject for what it is worth –
>
>                 I do NOT think it would be better if the Republicans
>                 maintain control of the House and / or Senate, but at
>                 the same time I see no evidence that if the Democrats
>                 would take control that things would improve.
>
>                 A recent military expenditure increase bill in the
>                 Senate was supported by ALL of the Democrats.
>
>                 The only ones to vote against it were six Republicans
>                 and Bernie Sanders ( who is an independent ).
>
>                 In the House 91 % of Democrats supported it.
>
>                 The assumption that Democrats will automatically be
>                 better than Republicans on the issues of war and
>                 foreign policy has no basis in fact. Especially when
>                 you consider that there are an unprecedented number of
>                 Democratic candidates running for election ( all
>                 backed by the DNC during the primaries ) who are
>                 former military and / or intelligence operatives from
>                 various agencies. In addition the DNC has done
>                 everything in their power ( very successfully so with
>                 only a few exceptions  ) to prevent any and all
>                 anti-war / anti-corporate Dem primary candidates from
>                 winning. In addition refusing to budge on more ;
>                 democracy, transparency, and accountability within the
>                 Democratic party. Which means DNC backed candidates
>                 will NOT listen to their constituent’s wishes (
>                 especially in regards to foreign policy and corporate
>                 power ) and instead will toe the DNC party line
>                 because the DNC wants to keep their corporate donors
>                 happy. The corporate donor class is the constituency (
>                 special interest ) who the DNC fears, NOT the voters.
>                 Who they perceive to be sheep who will continue to
>                 vote for Democratic candidates no matter what, in the
>                 tried and true tactic of “ triangulation “ that was
>                 perfected by the Clintons. However people are catching
>                 on to this and are angry, which is why close to 48 %
>                 of eligible voters chose  neither Clinton or Trump
>                 either by not voting at all or voting for 3^rd party
>                 candidates in the last Presidential election. And why
>                 many voters selected Trump as a way of “ sending a
>                 message “and “disrupting the system “. As fucked up as
>                 that strategy was, it is understandable to a certain
>                 degree why some people did that considering the
>                 betrayal they experienced from 2008 t0 2016 by the
>                 Democrats and the lack of other options.
>
>                 This reality is especially relevant in regards to
>                 issues of war and peace. The war profiteer industry in
>                 the U.S. is along with the financial sector the
>                 largest and most powerful special interest in the
>                 country that not only has it’s own industry lobbyists
>                 but also the support of very wealthy and influential
>                 lobbyists who represent AIPAC and the kingdom of Saudi
>                 Arabia. Both of whom have not only interfered in our
>                 political / election process for decades, but also
>                 have used their vast financial resources to buy the
>                 good graces of the corporate media.
>
>                 This dynamic will only change when we begin to
>                 understand and act accordingly that it doesn’t matter
>                 the political party but the individual candidate who
>                 is running, rather an anti-war / anti corporate Dem,
>                 or an anti-war Republican, or ant-war / anti-corporate
>                 ; Green, Independent, Socialist, etc..
>
>                 The “ Any Blue Will Do “ mindset is WHY we are in the
>                 horrible condition we are in. And Rodney Davis is
>                 DEFINTELY no Tim Johnson, as Bob accurately stated,
>                 and he will continue the pro-war policies of the
>                 majority in the Republican party.
>
>                 In terms of the Illinois 13^th Congressional district
>                 – Betsy Londrigan will NOT win against Davis ( as Bob
>                 pointed out the odds to attest to that fact ). The
>                 candidate that could of beat Davis ( who came within
>                 .05 % of beating Davis in the one time he ran as Dem
>                 in the 13^th in a three way race ) and who also had
>                 the best platform all around including an anti-war
>                 platform was Dr. David Gill. Who the Unions and the
>                 academic “ intelligentsia “ in Urbana and elsewhere in
>                 the 13^th refused to support, and when asked why
>                 individually had no clear answer except that they
>                 wanted someone “ fresh and new “. ???
>
>                 Wow ! … Did they think they were buying the latest
>                 fashion trend clothing instead of voting for someone
>                 who supported 95 % of the issues they claim they support ?
>
>                 Betsy Londrigan if by some minor miracle would win
>                 would follow the instructions and orders of Durbin and
>                 the DNC to a tee, if for no other reason because those
>                 were her backers / sponsors in the Dem primary.
>
>                 I saw her twice during the debates and she is a hard
>                 core neo-liberal, ESPECIALLY in regards to foreign
>                 policy.
>
>                 So with these facts in mind I am voting for ; “ None
>                 of the Above “ in the 13^th Congressional race.
>
>                 We should NOT vote for anyone who will not only NOT
>                 represent our interests, but will actively work
>                 against our interests. To do otherwise makes no
>                 logical sense.
>
>                 Nor does it make any logical sense to vote for Davis
>                 as a means of punishing the Democrats when Rodney
>                 Davis has a clear track record of voting in favor of war.
>
>                 David Johnson
>
>                 *From:*Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net
>                 <mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net>] *On Behalf
>                 Of *Robert Naiman via Peace
>                 *Sent:* Monday, October 08, 2018 10:05 PM
>                 *To:* C. G. Estabrook
>                 *Cc:* Peace Discuss; peace
>                 *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Letter to the
>                 News-Gazette, on the coming election
>
>                 Here's another way of looking at it.
>
>                 I disagree that the world would be worse off on net if
>                 Democrats take the House. I think the world would be
>                 better off on net. I think that it would help us end
>                 the Saudi war in Yemen, which is pushing millions of
>                 human beings to the edge of starvation. I think we can
>                 end the war if we can get a vote in the House. So far
>                 the House Republican leadership has blocked a vote in
>                 the House. We're trying to get a vote as soon as
>                 possible, but if Dems win the House, then I'm
>                 confident that we'll get a vote in January if not
>                 before. I think that outweighs the anti-Russia issue.
>                 I don't contest at all that the anti-Russia thing
>                 embraced by many Democrats is quite bothersome. But,
>                 Russia has nuclear weapons and a big army and a seat
>                 on the UN Security Council and while the U.S. may
>                 pursue destructive policies towards Russia and we
>                 should oppose those policies, the U.S. is not about to
>                 invade Russia or start bombing it, while Russia has
>                 those means to defend itself, which it will continue
>                 to do. Yemeni children have none of these things to
>                 defend themselves from U.S. bombs. So I think the
>                 Yemeni children should be a higher priority for our
>                 defense. Plus, while Trump has advocated, justly in my
>                 view, for better relations with Russia, his actual
>                 policies have in some respects been more aggressive
>                 than Obama. Obama rebuffed neocon pressure to arm
>                 Ukraine. Trump acceded to it. This is not to gainsay
>                 that Obama did bad things in this regard and Trump did
>                 good things. Just that it's not one-zero.
>
>                 But regardless of all that, the overwhelming
>                 likelihood is that whatever happens with Betsy vs.
>                 Rodney will not determine control of the House. It's a
>                 competitive district, and Betsy could win. But it's
>                 not a district Democrats need to win in order to take
>                 the House. According to 538, Dems have a 5 in 7 or 3
>                 in 4 chance of winning the House, depending how you
>                 count, while the chances of Betsy beating Rodney are 3
>                 in 10 or 2 in 7 or 1 in 4, depending on how you count.
>                 These are estimates, of course, but it shows where an
>                 educated reasonable guess lies: it's more likely that
>                 Dems will take the House than it is that Betsy will
>                 beat Rodney. If Betsy vs Rodney is close - if our
>                 votes matter - Dems are very likely taking the House
>                 anyway. If the contest for the House is close, then
>                 Rodney is probably beating Betsy anyway. There's a
>                 good chance that Dems will take the House but we'll
>                 still be stuck with Rodney. We have far greater
>                 potential to influence whether we're stuck with Rodney
>                 than whether Dems take the House.
>
>                 So I think there's a strong case that we should focus
>                 more on whether we're represented by Betsy or Rodney,
>                 over which we have more control, than over whether
>                 Dems or Rs control the House, over which we have much
>                 less influence, and which is not likely to be
>                 influenced by Betsy vs. Rodney.
>
>                 And there I think it's very much a slam dunk that we'd
>                 be much better off, from an anti-war point of view,
>                 being represented by Betsy than by Rodney. Not because
>                 Betsy would be perfect on all imaginable anti-war
>                 things; she wouldn't be. But she'd be good on some
>                 important things which are in contest. She'd be good
>                 on Yemen. Whereas Rodney is a big fat zero on all war
>                 and peace issues, including Yemen, and also Iran. I've
>                 tried ever since Rodney was our Rep. to get Rodney to
>                 do things, even bipartisan things, simple things,
>                 defend-our-Constitution things, for less war. Zero,
>                 nothing, zip, nada, he never did anything. He's
>                 completely hopeless on war and peace issues, as far as
>                 I can tell, a robot of the pro-war Republican
>                 leadership in the House. Tim Johnson was much better,
>                 night and day, reachable, we brought him around.
>                 Rodney Davis is a brick wall on war and peace. With
>                 Betsy she will be good on some things and we have a
>                 chance to move her on other things, to participate in
>                 national efforts to move Congress by moving our Rep.
>                 With Rodney Davis our chances are zero. He just
>                 doesn't give a damn what people in Champaign-Urbana
>                 think about anything, he's made that perfectly clear
>                 many times, we are not his base, he does not care at
>                 all what we think about anything and doesn't pretend to.
>
>                 So I would urge people to think most about what we an
>                 do with respect to the matter at hand that will
>                 contribute the most to allowing us to participate
>                 meaningfully in national efforts to move Congress
>                 towards less war in the future. And I think it's
>                 pretty clear that means focusing on whether we want to
>                 be represented by Betsy or Rodney, rather on whether
>                 we want Dems or Rs to control the House.
>
>                 On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:24 PM Carl G. Estabrook via
>                 Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>                 <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
>                     How should those of us opposed to America’s eight
>                     wars and war provocations vote? We have one vote
>                     to influence US government policy in the next two
>                     years: that comes in next month’s election of a
>                     representative to the US House, in the seat held
>                     by Republican Rodney Davis.
>
>                     Davis’ opponent is a conventional Democrat, Betsy
>                     Dirksen Londrigan. They generally agree on the
>                     neoliberal and neoconservative policies followed
>                     by all recent US governments, Republican and
>                     Democrat alike - policies that have produced more
>                     war and accelerating inequality.
>
>                     Given a choice between two bad candidates, one
>                     should of course vote for the less bad. Here party
>                     affiliation makes the important difference,
>                     because the House is organized by parties, not the
>                     views of individual members. Of the two major
>                     political parties in America, the Democrats are
>                     the more pro-war today:
>
>                     (1) their challengers for House seats include a
>                     large number of pro-war CIA and 'military
>                     intelligence' veterans;
>                     (2) 'Russiagate' is their fantastical attempt to
>                     insure that Trump doesn't depart from the
>                     belligerence against Russia and China that
>                     characterized the Obama-Clinton administrations; and
>                     (3) they are employing identity politics to defeat
>                     those few anti-war votes in Congress (cf. Rep.
>                     Michael Capuano in Massachusetts).
>
>                     The Democrats should not be given control of
>                     Congress. They are the greater evil - the greater
>                     threat of war - at the moment.
>
>                     I’ll reluctantly vote for our feckless Republican
>                     Congressman, Rodney Davis, in order to forestall
>                     the Democrats’ gaining control of the House of
>                     Representatives.
>
>                     —CGE
>
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