[Peace-discuss] Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4

Sun Sep 2 02:25:42 UTC 2018

whatsa tha point debating those things that are generally agreed upon. entropy exists. politicians lie. americans kinda expect that. the electorate is stupid and sheep-like democrats hate the first ten amendments. those in power do incredible stunts to keep it. debate is fun, though. On 2018-09-01 23:13 , Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss Wrote: No takers...on a debate... I think it is much more because of fear than indifference... My international presence refutes the idea that I'm insignificant. There's no fear of you looking badly in the encounter, for you have no audience...other than internally. Be brave, You can do it. On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 7:49:46 AM CST, peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net <peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net> wrote: Send Peace-discuss mailing list submissions to peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net You can reach the person managing the list at peace-discuss-owner at lists.chambana.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Peace-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Prof James Fetzer prints Alex Jones article by Stephen Francis (Stephen Francis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 13:48:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> To: Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> Cc: Peace-discuss <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Prof James Fetzer prints Alex Jones article by Stephen Francis Message-ID: <1790054352.1890967.1535809732271 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" My challenge to debate anyone on Peace-Discuss...on CGE's show remains in effect.It would vastly increase the viewership of that show. It would be your chance to make me look bad if you think you could get away with it...it's possible...I'm not very effective on videos...I've noticed that those videos only receive less than a handful of viewers...do I have any takers?  On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 7:19:51 AM CST, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:  One of the reasons that I have 40-60,000 pages downloaded per month on my website is pages like the one linked below...It contains an MS Excel spreadsheet, that I created, with 2000 rows of corroborated facts about 9/11.If the hijackers didn't do 9/11, then who did...the answer is cabal of US, British and Israeli criminals....9-11 TRUTH SEARCH ENGINE, Zionists/Neocons nuked wtc And this is backed up by professional and academic organizations. see below | | | |  |  | | | | |  | 9-11 TRUTH SEARCH ENGINE, Zionists/Neocons nuked wtc | | | The accusation that there are no provable facts concerning 9/11 is just propaganda and methods used to shut down the debate.Over 3000 architects and engineers have scientifically proven the WTC's destruction could not have happened according to the 'official' version.Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth | | | |  |  | | | | |  | Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth | | | Professor Hulsey (forensics engineer, dept head) of UofAlaska did a two-year study of WTC Building 7 and came up with the same conclusion...WTC 7 Evaluation | | | |  |  | | | | |  | WTC 7 Evaluation WTC 7 EVALUATION | | | These are professional scientific unrefutable factual studies...that make your statements about no facts rubbishIsrael Nuked WTC On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 4:17:42 AM CST, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:  It would be flabbergasting if Francis’ farrago of fantasy and fear didn’t contain even one fact, and I think I've found it (no one can be wrong all the time), viz. and to wit: > The Democratic Party ... have lost power and are pulling out all stops to regain it. Its Political Correctness wing is somewhat familiar [“deplorables”], but recent illegal activities (Fisagate) and this full-bore double-standard censorship is a new development and a sign of desperation. And here’s a specific for this madness (the poets often get there first): <https://consentfactory.org/2018/06/15/awaiting-the-putin-nazi-apocalypse/>. —CGE > On Sep 1, 2018, at 4:22 AM, Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > Neither Holocaust Denial nor 9/11 Truth are "  It's just forensic criminal investigation based on facts. It's impossible to set up the mechanisms to try to sort out interpretations of those facts as to whether they are true or not." - these are about as "forensic" as a Trump Tweet!  Just like Trump, they are not free to make up their own facts. > > Roger > > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 5:49 AM Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote: > The article is mostly concerned with Cultural Marxism and its insidious and pervasive influence on our culture and academia. It's origins (Jewish, Frankfurt School), reach and influence are all buried and taboo topics in the MSM. > > Much of what Jones talks about has fundamental roots in that Cultural Marxism which IS Multiculturalism (unfettered immigration), Political Correctness (censorship), BLM, Taking a knee...etc. The Democratic Party's strategies are rife with Cultural Marxist techniques. Hillary Clinton was mentored by Saul Alinsky, an avowed Cultural Marxist. That's the point I'm trying to make. They are not interested in the rights and welfare of citizens...it's all about power and taking down Trump. > > Alex Jones is a nut case as I pointed out. His net effect on the so-called conspiracy theory world is probably negative. > Facebook was correct in banning Jones on the basis of threats to Mueller and Muslim hate speech.  The problem is that Facebook, Google, MSM have a double standard in these actions.  They demonstrably attack conservative content while ignoring like 'liberal', Left instances. It's called shadow-banning. Conservatives in Congress are taking action to attempt to stop it....good luck with that. > > They (big social media) haven't banned many so-called 'conspiracy theories' like 9/11 Truth, JFK assassination or Holocaust hoax content because ultimately it is not 'hate speech'. It's just forensic criminal investigation based on facts. It's impossible to set up the mechanisms to try to sort out interpretations of those facts as to whether they are true or not...and in doing so it gives these subjects airtime...a familiar taboo. > > As you say, Facebook is a private company not subject to the First Amendment, but there are practical limits to how they can police their content. 9/11, JFK and the Holocaust run into these limits. > > thus the following Facebook excerpt. > > " .... upon review, we have taken it (Alex Jones) down for glorifying violence, which violates our graphic violence policy, and using dehumanizing language to describe people who are transgender, Muslims and immigrants, which violates our hate speech policies." All four Pages have been unpublished for repeated violations of Community Standards and accumulating too many strikes. While much of the discussion around Infowars has been related to false news, which is a serious issue that we are working to address by demoting links marked wrong by fact checkers and suggesting additional content, none of the violations that spurred today’s removals were related to this." > https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/08/enforcing-our-community-standards/ > > violations > > > > > On Wednesday, August 22, 2018, 6:01:53 AM CST, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Since Fetzer is one of his nut case minions like Mr Francis, I am sure he supports Alex Jones's right to lie to millions about pretty much everything in order to foster various conspiracies!  It is too bad that Fetzer once was a professor of some renown.  There are number of great answers posted to Quora that explain much of what Fetzer and Francis refuse to believe. - Facebook is not subject to the First Amendment - it is a private company, not the Government!  Neither is Google/YouTube.  > > Roger Helbig > > By the way Mr Francis, thought about you while watching the latter part of GI Jews on PBS - https://www.pbs.org/wnet/gi-jews/ Fetzer should watch too.  There really was a Holocaust. > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 4:47 AM Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > POSTED BY JIM FETZER AT 7:25 PM > > https://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2018/08/stephen-francis-qualified-support-for.html > > TUESDAY, AUGUST 21, 2018 > Stephen Francis: Qualified Support for Alex Jones > > Stephen Francis > > > The First Amendment and Censorship > > Alex Jones has returned to the center of the free speech debate with a vengeance. It is vitally important to dig into the fine details of why the major social media and content sites suspended and then banned him. All sides of the arguments contain evidence of hidden motives and agendas. > > At first glance, this whole episode seems to somewhat mirror the efforts of the anti-Trump forces (#Resistance) to connect him to the Alt-Right, neo-Nazis and (staged) anti-Semites as they did in Charlottesville. None of their varied attempts to do this have worked mainly because the rank and file Trump / Jones supporters are mainstream non-radical conservatives who see through the ruse. Trump has cozied up to Jones and attempts to make this an issue are ongoing. > > > > If the Dems / Left / deep state is successful in smothering Jone's audience with some underhanded censorship, it could impact to some degree the midterm elections and help render Trump's remaining tenure a nightmare if Republicans lose their total control of Congress. We will probably see many more similar attempts like this before November. > > Facebook and YouTube (Google) proved their allegiance to the Left in the 2016 election cycle. There is no doubt that they censor conservative content, much the same as it is censored in academia. They created the platform for Jones to amass his audience and now face a torrent of protest from all sides over what they all produced. They have no choice but to invoke some sort of controls which has no good outcome. Jones' threats on Mueller paved the way, but double-standards and bias confound all. They've helped to create the tarnished martyr Alex Jones. > > > > We should support Jones' right to say what he pleases, but be wary of the true motivations behind his message. He is basically a sensationalist where content rules over ethical and legal judgment. His over-the-top antics are a large part of his success. He has tapped into a vast chasm of populist discontent in advancing the cause of anti-globalists, but supporting him should be enclosed in well-defined parameters of constitutionality and the First Amendment. We can support his right to free speech and also tune him out. > > A quick read of the Fontaine lawsuit confirms much of the general skepticism of Jones. He settled in favor of Chobani, and ongoing suits including Marcell Fontaine and Brennan Gilmore, where, at first glance, Jones appears to be completely irresponsible. See link to lawsuit pdf below. Reports of six more lawsuits abound. > > Jones' reported Muslim bashing is completely antithetical to the reality that Islamophobia is a hoax spawned from the false flag 9/11 nuclear demolition of the WTC, which itself was the seminal event transitioning the world from the Cold War to the War on Terror. US, British, Saudi and Israeli conspirators are the progenitors of this horror, not Muslims. > > The terrorism meme is far more about enabling state surveillance. The Patriot Act was signed into law with weeks of 9/11 because the emotional fear generated out of that was required to get it passed. Mass surveillance has been a part of our lives ever since. Censorship is routinely used to shut down anyone exposing all these correlates. Alex Jones did contribute to this unveiling. > > > Cultural Marxism and the deep state > > But there's a deeper layer that Jones occasionally alludes to but inconsistently promulgates, that being Cultural Marxism (CM). It is at the core of this censorship debate. It receives rare press review and is branded the usual 'conspiracy theory' status. It's the grand underlying scheme that targets the traditional family and white nationalist males among a long list of like concepts. It disingenuously foists fringe groups like LGBTQ to the fore and takes advantage of ordinary citizen's fears of being branded a racist or misogynist to exact cultural change. In this case, the methodology is gradualism and subversion of the system through infiltration rather than confrontation and revolution. > > The Democratic Party is infused with this ideology. They have lost power and are pulling out all stops to regain it. Its Political Correctness wing is somewhat familiar, but recent illegal activities (Fisagate) and this full-bore double-standard censorship is a new development and a sign of desperation. > > There is a political path in a route to power which CM is an unseen member, that can be described with a succession of "isms", that being Fabianism, Socialism, Communism, American Left, Liberals, British Labour, and the American Democratic Party. Upon Googling this string, Wikipedia's 'American Left' page is found at the top of the search results. CM should be in this list, but it is not because of its Jewish roots and inherent clandestine character. Left theoreticians consider it a 'conspiracy theory' aligned with the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. > > Because of its Jewish roots, the coverage of Cultural Marxism within the Democratic party is a taboo subject in all the major MSM publications and a search on "cultural marxism" or "new left" on Democrats.org results in 0, nothing. but some second tier outlets will entertain it but most with a soft pedal. > > There is one relatively mainstream Medium website article entitled: 'Cultural Marxism, How this idea is destroying the Democratic Party'. The pertinent paragraph is: > > "There was a need for societal reform. Cultural Marxism did provide a vehicle for this. However, the need for cultural Marxism should HAVE ENDED when equality was reached. The seminal moment of the election of Obama should have been the end of the progressive movement. Instead, the Democratic Party has doubled-down on cultural Marxist ideals and now is more in the game for retribution than equality". > > That retribution is the 'Saul Alinsky' effect. He was an important proponent of Cultural Marxism and a mentor to Hillary Clinton. All major university social science departments are bastions of Cultural Marxism hiding behind monikers like Critical Theory, Queer Theory, Feminist Studies, Black Studies and the majority of professors in these fields are either Jewish or Jewish apologists. > > These social science departments strictly censor any mention of 9/11 Truth, JFK assassination or Holocaust examination. Any attempt leads to immediate career destruction because they all can be traced back to Israel if closely examined. > > CM's Jewish roots go back to the beginning of the 20th Century in Weimar Germany. The failure of the Communist revolution led to its creation as a cultural attempt to the same ends, where Western / Christian cultural destruction is a prerequisite. The West has been in the grips of this phase for decades if not millennia if you consider the Christianity / Judaism rivalry. Far more Christians have suffered than Jews. > > Hitler ejected CM's principal Jewish figures from Germany in the early 1930s in concert with the German people who feared and loathed Jews for their greed, perversion, and atheism. They landed in the US, first at Columbia University, then on to all of academia in America. It clandestinely permeates Liberal Democratic think tanks throughout the political and social studies landscape. > > The Clintons / Saul Alinsky brand is a thread of CM.  Colin Kaepernick's taking a knee is CM. CM's Social Justice Warriors permeate modern politics from Black Lives Matter to Same-Sex Marriage. Its overreach and subsequent backlash created the opportunity for Trump to challenge this tide. Trump called out Political Correctness in his successful campaign for President. > > CM was
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