[Peace-discuss] Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 176, Issue 9

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your comments are typical....and do nothing to show that the information that I present is incorrect.   On Sunday, September 2, 2018, 8:42:27 AM CST, peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net <peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net> wrote:  

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rather than attacking a specific group because of their alleged character or lack thereof it would be more effective interesting and challenging to attack the attributes rather than the group. once they call you an antisemite or a racist or a bigot it becomes a reason to turn you off and ignore you. On 2018-09-02 20:18 , Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss Wrote: additional stuff... There's an interesting and important rift growing between Israel and American Jews, where the American counterpart, to some degree, actually embraces BDS and are anti-occupation. This can only mean, at the deepest levels, where political labels are inadequate and misleading and that more fundamental concepts are in play. Those fundamentals probably have something to do with the inherent decency, fairness, and humaneness of humans. Evolution has instilled this in us and actually pops out occasionally.  There are actually Jews who are against the slaughter of Palestinians. There really were hundreds of Palestinian villages. They were all bull-dozed into non-existence. The Palestinians did nothing did deserve their plight. It's utterly sickening watching their annihilation. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/ifnotnow-birthright-ramah-bds-israel.html Palestine Remembered, al-Nakba 1948- פלשתינה-فلسطين في الذاكرة Palestine Remembered, al-Nakba 1948- פלשתינה-فلسطين في الذاكرة Palestine Remembered (فلسطين في الذاكرة): The Home Of All Ethnically Cleansed Palestinians. Palestine Picture be... On Sunday, September 2, 2018, 5:16:03 AM CST, peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net <peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net> wrote: Send Peace-discuss mailing list submissions to peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net You can reach the person managing the list at peace-discuss-owner at lists.chambana.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Peace-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 176, Issue 6 (Stephen Francis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 11:15:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 176, Issue 6 Message-ID: <2118585807.84826.1535886919703 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We do actually agree on many subjects pertaining to antiwar and racism.A recent post, maybe by CGE, drew parallels between Corbyn's and Trump's battles with the establishment (in US, the Dems, Libs, MSM, deep state). I agree with this and believe it's an immensely important bellwether in determining the future direction of world politics. In Britain and the US, the establishment is having a difficult time pinning the antiSemitic, racist brands on Corbyn and Trump and their supporters, respectively. The midterm elections will best define the outcome of these efforts. Corbyn won't sign off on the full IHRA definition because he, in part, would betray a large segment of his followers and subsequently lose power, just as in America, Trump's success in fighting off the Dem / Clinton warmongers is his Twitter habit and highly successful campaign rallies that have seen eight of the last nine candidates that he's supported win their seats. CNN, a bastion of Netanyahu Zionism and anti-Trumpism, has ever increasingly dismal ratings. The deep state establishment has had to expose its flanks and true motivations in their attempt to hold off Corbyn and Trump....and their millions of followers. A significant portion of Corbyn's supporters sees the full IHRA for what it is....that being an open license to murder Palestinians with impunity and censor any criticism of Israel. And,  a plethora of laws against Holocaust revisionism in Europe has been very successful in censoring debate, but the tactic is showing signs of weakening.  Merkel and many other EU leaders have had to compromise with nationalistic movements, which they try to characterize as NeoNazis, but all that does is embolden those that see the light. Ultimately, nationalism is probably more a form of natural territoriality than anything else and thus impossible to hijack and twist its meaning. All wars are banker's wars and Jews and philo-semites have dominating banking since the invention of money. There is a weight of proof of this, it's just never mentioned in the MSM for obvious reasons. Jews have been highly successful at legislating censor of any opposition to their behaviors, but, because of the internet and the demise of the MSM, it is becoming a failing enterprise. They try to brand it racism, but that is illogical once a full recognition of Jewish history is brought to light.  So-called 'Antisemitism' is really just abhorrence of unethical or criminal activity and is not rooted in things people cannot change such as skin color, sexual preference.  In the early 20th century it was common to refer to Jews as a race, but that has disappeared because of scientific recognition that this was an error. Once people really dig into the details why they were expelled from over 100 countries since Biblical Times and start to question the official interpretations of Jewish history, the walls start crumbling down. Corbyn and Trump are at the forefront of a new era of politics. Will anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn be the next British PM? - The Boston Globe | | | |  |  | | | | |  | Will anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn be the next British PM? - The Boston Globe Michael A. Cohen - Columnist The British Labour party leader’s anti-Semitism has become a stench too powerful to ignore. | | | On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 8:26:24 PM CST, peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net <peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net> wrote:  Send Peace-discuss mailing list submissions to peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net You can reach the person managing the list at peace-discuss-owner at lists.chambana.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Peace-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4 (ewj) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 09:25:42 +0700 From: ewj <ewj at pigs.ag> To: Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4 Message-ID: <1535855141323.vpxo4nudi53r43rb5ngeve3x at android.mail.163.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" whatsa tha point debating those things that are generally agreed upon. entropy exists. politicians lie. americans kinda expect that. the electorate is stupid and sheep-like democrats hate the first ten amendments. those in power do incredible stunts to keep it. debate is fun, though. On 2018-09-01 23:13 , Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss Wrote: No takers...on a debate... I think it is much more because of fear than indifference... My international presence refutes the idea that I'm insignificant. There's no fear of you looking badly in the encounter, for you have no audience...other than internally. Be brave, You can do it. On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 7:49:46 AM CST, peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net <peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net> wrote: Send Peace-discuss mailing list submissions to peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net You can reach the person managing the list at peace-discuss-owner at lists.chambana.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Peace-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Prof James Fetzer prints Alex Jones article by Stephen Francis (Stephen Francis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 13:48:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> To: Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> Cc: Peace-discuss <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Prof James Fetzer prints Alex Jones article by Stephen Francis Message-ID: <1790054352.1890967.1535809732271 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" My challenge to debate anyone on Peace-Discuss...on CGE's show remains in effect.It would vastly increase the viewership of that show. It would be your chance to make me look bad if you think you could get away with it...it's possible...I'm not very effective on videos...I've noticed that those videos only receive less than a handful of viewers...do I have any takers?  On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 7:19:51 AM CST, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:  One of the reasons that I have 40-60,000 pages downloaded per month on my website is pages like the one linked below...It contains an MS Excel spreadsheet, that I created, with 2000 rows of corroborated facts about 9/11.If the hijackers didn't do 9/11, then who did...the answer is cabal of US, British and Israeli criminals....9-11 TRUTH SEARCH ENGINE, Zionists/Neocons nuked wtc And this is backed up by professional and academic organizations. see below | | | |  |  | | | | |  | 9-11 TRUTH SEARCH ENGINE, Zionists/Neocons nuked wtc | | | The accusation that there are no provable facts concerning 9/11 is just propaganda and methods used to shut down the debate.Over 3000 architects and engineers have scientifically proven the WTC's destruction could not have happened according to the 'official' version.Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth | | | |  |  | | | | |  | Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth | | | Professor Hulsey (forensics engineer, dept head) of UofAlaska did a two-year study of WTC Building 7 and came up with the same conclusion...WTC 7 Evaluation | | | |  |  | | | | |  | WTC 7 Evaluation WTC 7 EVALUATION | | | These are professional scientific unrefutable factual studies...that make your statements about no facts rubbishIsrael Nuked WTC On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 4:17:42 AM CST, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:  It would be flabbergasting if Francis’ farrago of fantasy and fear didn’t contain even one fact, and I think I've found it (no one can be wrong all the time), viz. and to wit: > The Democratic Party ... have lost power and are pulling out all stops to regain it. Its Political Correctness wing is somewhat familiar [“deplorables”], but recent illegal activities (Fisagate) and this full-bore double-standard censorship is a new development and a sign of desperation. And here’s a specific for this madness (the poets often get there first): <https://consentfactory.org/2018/06/15/awaiting-the-putin-nazi-apocalypse/>. —CGE > On Sep 1, 2018, at 4:22 AM, Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > Neither Holocaust Denial nor 9/11 Truth are "  It's just forensic criminal investigation based on facts. It's impossible to set up the mechanisms to try to sort out interpretations of those facts as to whether they are true or not." - these are about as "forensic" as a Trump Tweet!  Just like Trump, they are not free to make up their own facts. > > Roger > > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 5:49 AM Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote: > The article is mostly concerned with Cultural Marxism and its insidious and pervasive influence on our culture and academia. It's origins (Jewish, Frankfurt School), reach and influence are all buried and taboo topics in the MSM. > > Much of what Jones talks about has fundamental roots in that Cultural Marxism which IS Multiculturalism (unfettered immigration), Political Correctness (censorship), BLM, Taking a knee...etc. The Democratic Party's strategies are rife with Cultural Marxist techniques. Hillary Clinton was mentored by Saul Alinsky, an avowed Cultural Marxist. That's the point I'm trying to make. They are not interested in the rights and welfare of citizens...it's all about power and taking down Trump. > > Alex Jones is a nut case as I pointed out. His net effect on the so-called conspiracy theory world is probably negative. > Facebook was correct in banning Jones on the basis of threats to Mueller and Muslim hate speech.  The problem is that Facebook, Google, MSM have a double standard in these actions.  They demonstrably attack conservative content while ignoring like 'liberal', Left instances. It's called shadow-banning. Conservatives in Congress are taking action to attempt to stop it....good luck with that. > > They (big social media) haven't banned many so-called 'conspiracy theories' like 9/11 Truth, JFK assassination or Holocaust hoax content because ultimately it is not 'hate speech'. It's just forensic criminal investigation based on facts. It's impossible to set up the mechanisms to try to sort out interpretations of those facts as to whether they are true or not...and in doing so it gives these subjects airtime...a familiar taboo. > > As you say, Facebook is a private company not subject to the First Amendment, but there are practical limits to how they can police their content. 9/11, JFK and the Holocaust run into these limits. > > thus the following Facebook excerpt. > > " .... upon review, we have taken it (Alex Jones) down for glorifying violence, which violates our graphic violence policy, and using dehumanizing language to describe people who are transgender, Muslims and immigrants, which violates our hate speech policies." All four Pages have been unpublished for repeated violations of Community Standards and accumulating too many strikes. While much of the discussion around Infowars has been related to false news, which is a serious issue that we are working to address by demoting links marked wrong by fact checkers and suggesting additional content, none of the violations that spurred today’s removals were related to this." > https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/08/enforcing-our-community-standards/ > > violations > > > > > On Wednesday, August 22, 2018, 6:01:53 AM CST, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Since Fetzer is one of his nut case minions like Mr Francis, I am sure he supports Alex Jones's right to lie to millions about pretty much everything in order to foster various conspiracies!  It is too bad that Fetzer once was a professor of some renown.  There are number of great answers posted to Quora that explain much of what Fetzer and Francis refuse to believe. - Facebook is not subject to the First Amendment - it is a private company, not the Government!  Neither is Google/YouTube.  > > Roger Helbig > > By the way Mr Francis, thought about you while watching the latter part of GI Jews on PBS - https://www.pbs.org/wnet/gi-jews/ Fetzer should watch too.  There really was a Holocaust. > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 4:47 AM Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > POSTED BY JIM FETZER AT 7:25 PM > > https://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2018/08/stephen-francis-qualified-support-for.html > > TUESDAY, AUGUST 21, 2018 > Stephen Francis: Qualified Support for Alex Jones > > Stephen Francis > > > The First Amendment and Censorship > > Alex Jones has returned to the center of the free speech debate with a vengeance. It is vitally important to dig into the fine details of why the major social media and content sites suspended and then banned him. All sides of the arguments contain evidence of hidden motives and agendas. > > At first glance, this whole episode seems to somewhat mirror the efforts of the anti-Trump forces (#Resistance) to connect him to the Alt-Right, neo-Nazis and (staged) anti-Semites as they did in Charlottesville. None of their varied attempts to do this have worked mainly because the rank and file Trump / Jones supporters are mainstream non-radical conservatives who s
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