[Peace-discuss] Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 176, Issue 9

[E. Wayne Johnson]

Three buildings in NYC collapsed into their own footprints.
Two supposedly from an airplane smashing into them and one for no 
apparent reason at all (wtc7)

A plane in pennsylvania and one near the pentagon seemed to vanish.

The US declared war on a country obviously not involved,
and the federal government took advantage of the situation to
seize much power.

What's wrong with this picture?


Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss wrote:
> your comments are typical....and do nothing to show that the 
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> rather than attacking a specific group because of their alleged 
> character or lack thereof it would be more effective interesting and 
> challenging to attack the attributes rather than the group. once they 
> call you an antisemite or a racist or a bigot it becomes a reason to 
> turn you off and ignore you. On 2018-09-02 20:18 , Stephen Francis via 
> Peace-discuss Wrote: additional stuff... There's an interesting and 
> important rift growing between Israel and American Jews, where the 
> American counterpart, to some degree, actually embraces BDS and are 
> anti-occupation. This can only mean, at the deepest levels, where 
> political labels are inadequate and misleading and that more 
> fundamental concepts are in play. Those fundamentals probably have 
> something to do with the inherent decency, fairness, and humaneness of 
> humans. Evolution has instilled this in us and actually pops out 
> occasionally.  There are actually Jews who are against the slaughter 
> of Palestinians. There really were hundreds of Palestinian villages. 
> They were all bull-dozed into non-existence. The Palestinians did 
> nothing did deserve their plight. It's utterly sickening watching 
> their annihilation. 
> http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/ifnotnow-birthright-ramah-bds-israel.html 
> <http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/ifnotnow-birthright-ramah-bds-israel.html%20>Palestine 
> Remembered, al-Nakba 1948- פלשתינה-فلسطين في الذاكرة Palestine 
> Remembered, al-Nakba 1948- פלשתינה-فلسطين في الذاكرة Palestine 
> Remembered (فلسطين في الذاكرة): The Home Of All Ethnically Cleansed 
> Palestinians. Palestine Picture be... On Sunday, September 2, 2018, 
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> Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 11:15:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Stephen 
> Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com <mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>> To: 
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] 
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> <mailto:2118585807.84826.1535886919703 at mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: 
> text/plain; charset="utf-8" We do actually agree on many subjects 
> pertaining to antiwar and racism.A recent post, maybe by CGE, drew 
> parallels between Corbyn's and Trump's battles with the establishment 
> (in US, the Dems, Libs, MSM, deep state). I agree with this and 
> believe it's an immensely important bellwether in determining the 
> future direction of world politics. In Britain and the US, the 
> establishment is having a difficult time pinning the antiSemitic, 
> racist brands on Corbyn and Trump and their supporters, respectively. 
> The midterm elections will best define the outcome of these efforts. 
> Corbyn won't sign off on the full IHRA definition because he, in part, 
> would betray a large segment of his followers and subsequently lose 
> power, just as in America, Trump's success in fighting off the Dem / 
> Clinton warmongers is his Twitter habit and highly successful campaign 
> rallies that have seen eight of the last nine candidates that he's 
> supported win their seats. CNN, a bastion of Netanyahu Zionism and 
> anti-Trumpism, has ever increasingly dismal ratings. The deep state 
> establishment has had to expose its flanks and true motivations in 
> their attempt to hold off Corbyn and Trump....and their millions of 
> followers. A significant portion of Corbyn's supporters sees the full 
> IHRA for what it is....that being an open license to murder 
> Palestinians with impunity and censor any criticism of Israel. And,  a 
> plethora of laws against Holocaust revisionism in Europe has been very 
> successful in censoring debate, but the tactic is showing signs of 
> weakening.  Merkel and many other EU leaders have had to compromise 
> with nationalistic movements, which they try to characterize as 
> NeoNazis, but all that does is embolden those that see the light. 
> Ultimately, nationalism is probably more a form of natural 
> territoriality than anything else and thus impossible to hijack and 
> twist its meaning. All wars are banker's wars and Jews and 
> philo-semites have dominating banking since the invention of money. 
> There is a weight of proof of this, it's just never mentioned in the 
> MSM for obvious reasons. Jews have been highly successful at 
> legislating censor of any opposition to their behaviors, but, because 
> of the internet and the demise of the MSM, it is becoming a failing 
> enterprise. They try to brand it racism, but that is illogical once a 
> full recognition of Jewish history is brought to light. 
> So-called 'Antisemitism' is really just abhorrence of unethical or 
> criminal activity and is not rooted in things people cannot change 
> such as skin color, sexual preference.  In the early 20th century it 
> was common to refer to Jews as a race, but that has disappeared 
> because of scientific recognition that this was an error. Once people 
> really dig into the details why they were expelled from over 100 
> countries since Biblical Times and start to question the official 
> interpretations of Jewish history, the walls start crumbling down. 
> Corbyn and Trump are at the forefront of a new era of politics. Will 
> anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn be the next British PM? - The Boston Globe | 
> | | |  |  | | | | |  | Will anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn be the next 
> British PM? - The Boston Globe Michael A. Cohen - Columnist The 
> British Labour party leader’s anti-Semitism has become a stench too 
> powerful to ignore. | | | On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 8:26:24 PM 
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> Message: 1 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 09:25:42 +0700 From: ewj 
> <ewj at pigs.ag <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>> To: Stephen Francis via 
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" whatsa tha point debating 
> those things that are generally agreed upon. entropy exists. 
> politicians lie. americans kinda expect that. the electorate is stupid 
> and sheep-like democrats hate the first ten amendments. those in power 
> do incredible stunts to keep it. debate is fun, though. On 2018-09-01 
> 23:13 , Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss Wrote: No takers...on a 
> debate... I think it is much more because of fear than indifference... 
> My international presence refutes the idea that I'm insignificant. 
> There's no fear of you looking badly in the encounter, for you have no 
> audience...other than internally. Be brave, You can do it. On 
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> Peace-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Prof James Fetzer 
> prints Alex Jones article by Stephen Francis (Stephen Francis) 
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> Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 13:48:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Stephen 
> Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com <mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>> To: 
> Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com <mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com>>, C G 
> Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com <mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com>> Cc: 
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> [Peace-discuss] Prof James Fetzer prints Alex Jones article by Stephen 
> Francis Message-ID: <1790054352.1890967.1535809732271 at mail.yahoo.com 
> <mailto:1790054352.1890967.1535809732271 at mail.yahoo.com>> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" My challenge to debate 
> anyone on Peace-Discuss...on CGE's show remains in effect.It would 
> vastly increase the viewership of that show. It would be your chance 
> to make me look bad if you think you could get away with it...it's 
> possible...I'm not very effective on videos...I've noticed that those 
> videos only receive less than a handful of viewers...do I have any 
> takers? On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 7:19:51 AM CST, Stephen 
> Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com <mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>> 
> wrote:  One of the reasons that I have 40-60,000 pages downloaded per 
> month on my website is pages like the one linked below...It contains 
> an MS Excel spreadsheet, that I created, with 2000 rows of 
> corroborated facts about 9/11.If the hijackers didn't do 9/11, then 
> who did...the answer is cabal of US, British and Israeli 
> criminals....9-11 TRUTH SEARCH ENGINE, Zionists/Neocons nuked wtc And 
> this is backed up by professional and academic organizations. see 
> below | | | |  |  | | | | | | 9-11 TRUTH SEARCH ENGINE, 
> Zionists/Neocons nuked wtc | | | The accusation that there are no 
> provable facts concerning 9/11 is just propaganda and methods used to 
> shut down the debate.Over 3000 architects and engineers have 
> scientifically proven the WTC's destruction could not have happened 
> according to the 'official' version.Architects & Engineers for 9/11 
> Truth | | | |  |  | | | | |  | Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth | 
> | | Professor Hulsey (forensics engineer, dept head) of UofAlaska did 
> a two-year study of WTC Building 7 and came up with the same 
> conclusion...WTC 7 Evaluation | | | |  |  | | | | |  | WTC 7 
> Evaluation WTC 7 EVALUATION | | | These are professional scientific 
> unrefutable factual studies...that make your statements about no facts 
> rubbishIsrael Nuked WTC On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 4:17:42 AM 
> CST, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com 
> <mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com>> wrote:  It would be flabbergasting if 
> Francis’ farrago of fantasy and fear didn’t contain even one fact, and 
> I think I've found it (no one can be wrong all the time), viz. and to 
> wit: > The Democratic Party ... have lost power and are pulling out 
> all stops to regain it. Its Political Correctness wing is somewhat 
> familiar [“deplorables”], but recent illegal activities (Fisagate) and 
> this full-bore double-standard censorship is a new development and a 
> sign of desperation. And here’s a specific for this madness (the poets 
> often get there first): 
> <https://consentfactory.org/2018/06/15/awaiting-the-putin-nazi-apocalypse/>. 
> —CGE > On Sep 1, 2018, at 4:22 AM, Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss 
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote: > > Neither 
> Holocaust Denial nor 9/11 Truth are "  It's just forensic criminal 
> investigation based on facts. It's impossible to set up the mechanisms 
> to try to sort out interpretations of those facts as to whether they 
> are true or not." - these are about as "forensic" as a Trump Tweet!  
> Just like Trump, they are not free to make up their own facts. > > 
> Roger > > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 5:49 AM Stephen Francis 
> <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com <mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>> wrote: > The 
> article is mostly concerned with Cultural Marxism and its insidious 
> and pervasive influence on our culture and academia. It's origins 
> (Jewish, Frankfurt School), reach and influence are all buried and 
> taboo topics in the MSM. > > Much of what Jones talks about has 
> fundamental roots in that Cultural Marxism which IS Multiculturalism 
> (unfettered immigration), Political Correctness (censorship), BLM, 
> Taking a knee...etc. The Democratic Party's strategies are rife with 
> Cultural Marxist techniques. Hillary Clinton was mentored by Saul 
> Alinsky, an avowed Cultural Marxist. That's the point I'm trying to 
> make. They are not interested in the rights and welfare of 
> citizens...it's all about power and taking down Trump. > > Alex Jones 
> is a nut case as I pointed out. His net effect on the so-called 
> conspiracy theory world is probably negative. > Facebook was correct 
> in banning Jones on the basis of threats to Mueller and Muslim hate 
> speech.  The problem is that Facebook, Google, MSM have a double 
> standard in these actions.  They demonstrably attack conservative 
> content while ignoring like 'liberal', Left instances. It's called 
> shadow-banning. Conservatives in Congress are taking action to attempt 
> to stop it....good luck with that. > > They (big social media) haven't 
> banned many so-called 'conspiracy theories' like 9/11 Truth, JFK 
> assassination or Holocaust hoax content because ultimately it is not 
> 'hate speech'. It's just forensic criminal investigation based on 
> facts. It's impossible to set up the mechanisms to try to sort out 
> interpretations of those facts as to whether they are true or 
> not...and in doing so it gives these subjects airtime...a familiar 
> taboo. > > As you say, Facebook is a private company not subject to 
> the First Amendment, but there are practical limits to how they can 
> police their content. 9/11, JFK and the Holocaust run into these 
> limits. > > thus the following Facebook excerpt. > > " .... upon 
> review, we have taken it (Alex Jones) down for glorifying violence, 
> which violates our graphic violence policy, and using dehumanizing 
> language to describe people who are transgender, Muslims and 
> immigrants, which violates our hate speech policies." All four Pages 
> have been unpublished for repeated violations of Community Standards 
> and accumulating too many strikes. While much of the discussion around 
> Infowars has been related to false news, which is a serious issue that 
> we are working to address by demoting links marked wrong by fact 
> checkers and suggesting additional content, none of the violations 
> that spurred today’s removals were related to this." > 
> https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/08/enforcing-our-community-standards/ 
> <https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/08/enforcing-our-community-standards/%20>> 
> > violations > > > > > On Wednesday, August 22, 2018, 6:01:53 AM CST, 
> Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com <mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com>> wrote: > 
> > > Since Fetzer is one of his nut case minions like Mr Francis, I am 
> sure he supports Alex Jones's right to lie to millions about pretty 
> much everything in order to foster various conspiracies!  It is too 
> bad that Fetzer once was a professor of some renown.  There are number 
> of great answers posted to Quora that explain much of what Fetzer and 
> Francis refuse to believe. - Facebook is not subject to the First 
> Amendment - it is a private company, not the Government!  Neither is 
> Google/YouTube.  > > Roger Helbig > > By the way Mr Francis, thought 
> about you while watching the latter part of GI Jews on PBS - 
> https://www.pbs.org/wnet/gi-jews/ 
> <https://www.pbs.org/wnet/gi-jews/%20>Fetzer should watch too.  There 
> really was a Holocaust. > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 4:47 AM Stephen 
> Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote: > POSTED BY JIM 
> FETZER AT 7:25 PM > > 
> https://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2018/08/stephen-francis-qualified-support-for.html 
> <https://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2018/08/stephen-francis-qualified-support-for.html%20>> 
> > TUESDAY, AUGUST 21, 2018 > Stephen Francis: Qualified Support for 
> Alex Jones > > Stephen Francis > > > The First Amendment and 
> Censorship > > Alex Jones has returned to the center of the free 
> speech debate with a vengeance. It is vitally important to dig into 
> the fine details of why the major social media and content sites 
> suspended and then banned him. All sides of the arguments contain 
> evidence of hidden motives and agendas. > > At first glance, this 
> whole episode seems to somewhat mirror the efforts of the anti-Trump 
> forces (#Resistance) to connect him to the Alt-Right, neo-Nazis and 
> (staged) anti-Semites as they did in Charlottesville. None of their 
> varied attempts to do this have worked mainly because the rank and 
> file Trump / Jones supporters are mainstream non-radical conservatives 
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