[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Fwd: Kavanaugh: "Stakes areAstronomical"

Wed Sep 5 22:38:04 UTC 2018

Perhaps discussion would be better than hysteria. It might even lead us to ‘resisting' the wars, rather than Trump.

> On Sep 5, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> I was referring to Anne’s statement:
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>>  "Apparently wayne is willing to be as obnoxious as possible. Calling you out on your use of the n-word, wayne, my boy. Interesting that you choose an anti-racism forum.”
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>> But it applies to your article as well.
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>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 15:23, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Come on. I can’t do it single-handed.
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>> I’m actually a Russian agent, promoting war with Russia (why?) by urging the peace movement to think about the implications of their principles.  
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>> Uncomfortable as that may be.
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>> Good liberals respond as is their wont - with censorship. My posts are excluded from the peace [sic] list.
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>> —CGE 
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>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>>> Anne, its called “How to kill the Peace movement.” 
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>> From today’s News-Gazette:
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>> <http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-the-editor/2018-09-04/letter-the-editor-2-important-efforts-go-hand-hand.html>.
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>> —CGE
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>>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 08:16, Anne Parkinson <bjornsona at ameritech.net> wrote:
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>>>> Apparently wayne is willing to be as obnoxious as possible. Calling you out on your use of the n-word, wayne, my boy. Interesting that you choose an anti-racism forum. 
>>>> 
>>>> Quotes do not excuse you.
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>>>> Tired of the subject carl and wayne seem to know so much about. 
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>>>> On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 6:23 PM, ewj via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>>>> 
>>>> it really is a strange thing that the relentless killing of "nigger babies" is good and any threat, real or imagined, to slow or halt this carnage is declared evil, an affront to women's health, and most absurdly, racist.
>>>> 
>>>> one is not surprised by the rantings of a functional illiterate like Francis Boil.  i am somewhat amused to see women saying that any threat to the right to kill babies is evil.
>>>> it is one thing to be merciful toward those who are unfortunate.  but saying it is evil to oppose the killing of innocents is a very special interest.
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>>>> On 2018-09-05 01:54 , Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss Wrote: 
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>>>> Just because the odds of success are small is no reason not to engage the battle. It is a cliche, but all that is needed for evil to flourish is for good people to remain silent.  That point has been well proven. 
>>>> Deb
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>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Sep 4, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Mildred O'brien via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>>>>> Did you see what Robert Weissman/Public Citizen had to say on the topic of Scotus (sans Roe v Wade)?  (I'll try forwarding it)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Midge
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>> To: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; Peace <peace at anti-war.net>
>>>>> Sent: Tue, Sep 4, 2018 12:12 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Kavanaugh: "Stakes are Astronomical"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Isn't the whole Kavanaugh show a bipartisan hoax? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Democrats don't have the votes to block Kavanaugh. Every Republican is expected to vote to confirm. Republicans have the majority in the Senate. Therefore, the ultimate outcome is a foregone conclusion. Therefore, the "stakes" are zero. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why the Kabuki? Why the pretense? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Isn't it just a fundraising and mobilization exercise for both parties? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why should we, people who care about issues, waste any time or attention on it? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Robert Naiman
>>>>> Policy Director
>>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>> I think the statement by Horace and Homer, applies to you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 4, 2018, at 08:55, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> ...indignor quandoque bonus dormitat Homerus. --Horace in Ars Poetica (c. 18 BC) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> = even Homer nods (i.e., even a great person makes mistakes). —CGE
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 4, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> What does Chomsky have to say about this issue? If you are a devotee of his, then you should be noting what he has to say on this topic, which is only one of the concerns over a right wing ideologue like Kavanaugh.
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>>>>> https://www.dailymotion.com/ video/x2nzfiw
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>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=6fBjaPPzu1I
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>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 4, 2018, at 08:12, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Roe encourages the poor - and all women - to end their unborn children’s lives, instead of demanding free healthcare, child supports, etc. as in civilized countries.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It was meant to save the rich money by what is essentially a eugenics program. SC Justice R. B. Ginsburg: "Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of."
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>>>>> It should be overturned and Medicare for all enacted, along with other social supports. —CGE
>>>>> 
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>>>>> On Sep 4, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>>>>> Kavanaugh: "Stakes are Astronomical" -- Interviews Available [on Twitter]
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>>>>> 
>>>>> FRANCIS BOYLE, fboyle at illinois.edu
>>>>> Boyle is professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. He is quoted in a Guardian overview "'The Stakes are Astronomical': Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearing Will be a Battle Royale," which states: “'The only hope the country has is that Democrats will treat Kavanaugh like a hostile witness on the witness stand under cross-examination, throw him off script and break him down,' said Francis Boyle, a law professor at the University of Illinois.
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>>>>> “'You do not need a gentleman or gentlewoman to deal with Kavanaugh. You need a district attorney. Some Democrats are going to have to go for the jugular.'
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>>>>> "But Kavanaugh, 53, is no Daniel in the lions’ den. He is the ultimate Washington insider, steeped in the city’s political and legal establishments. His father spent more than two decades in the city as a lobbyist for the cosmetics industry. ...
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>>>>> "The groups Women’s March and Center for Popular Democracy Action are planning a day of action in Washington on Tuesday.
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>>>>> "Boyle ... shares these concerns. 'I think Kavanaugh was put on there to ensure Roe is overturned,' he said. 'He has used the Roberts dodge of saying it is settled law. So what? The Supreme Court can unsettle it tomorrow. He did not say it was decided correctly.'
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>>>>> "Critics note that Trump has relied heavily on the rightwing Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society to develop his shortlist for Supreme Court nominations. Boyle said: 'Kavanaugh is an extreme ideologue and a legal hatchet man for the Federalist Society. He was their spear carrier for years. He is being put on there by Trump to do their business and make the court as far right as he can under the circumstances. It’s going to be bad for a lot of people: for gays, for African Americans, for labour, for women.'"
>>>>> 
>>>>> See IPA news release: "Kavanaugh and the Federalist Society."
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>>>>> For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy:
>>>>> Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020
>>>>> 
>>>>> September 4, 2018
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