[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Trump in Afghanistan

Sun Dec 1 13:39:25 UTC 2019

Surely a president in office is responsible for any war carried on by his/her administration.

But Trump is condemned by the US political establishment for not being as criminal as Obama.

> On Dec 1, 2019, at 6:59 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The strongest case for impeaching Trump for unconstitutional war is with respect to unconstitutional U.S. participation in the Saudi war in Yemen, because Trump continued the war after Congress voted against it. That is unique. 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 7:01 AM C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
> Impeach Trump not for war-making but for *not* making war where Obama did (Afghanistan, Ukraine, etc.)?
> 
> "The last temptation is the greatest treason:
> To do the right deed for the wrong reason."
> 
> 
> > On Nov 29, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Carl is right that Trump wants to end the war in Afghanistan. That is a good thing. U.S. anti-war activists should support ending the war in Afghanistan, regardless of what they think of Trump otherwise. 
> > 
> > "Democrats" didn't democratically decide that impeaching Trump would be about the temporary suspension of lethal military aid to Ukraine. Nancy Pelosi decided that, all by her little lonesome. If we don't want to be at junctures like this in the future, we need to boot Nancy Pelosi from the Speaker's chair or curb her dictatorial power. 
> > 
> > Here's a proposal. Let's set a public deadline for any Member of the House who is not named Tulsi Gabbard to introduce articles of impeachment on Trump for unconstitutional war. When the deadline passes, let's ask Tulsi to do it. When the "well-intentioned but frightened" "anti-war" groups in DC that are afraid to cross Dem leadership concern-troll us that Tulsi is "the wrong messenger," we say to them: you knew what the deadline was. We publicly announced it. If you couldn't get any of the other 434 Members of the House to do this, you only have yourselves to blame. 
> >    
> > 
> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 6:40 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > You’ve bought the entire subtle establishment political strategy, designed to maintain US killing around the world: “ORANGE MAN BAD!”
> > 
> > 
> > > On Nov 28, 2019, at 8:05 PM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 7:45 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > [FT] Trump says talks with Taliban have resumed
> > > US president Donald Trump said peace talks with the Taliban had resumed 
> > > as he made an unannounced visit to Afghanistan on Thanksgiving, 
> > > appearing at a US air force base alongside Afghan president Ashraf Ghani.
> > > 
> > > Following a meeting with Mr Ghani, Mr Trump told reporters that the Taliban
> > >  “wants to make a deal” and that US officials were “meeting with them”.
> > > 
> > > Yes, our bold, intrepid Commander in Chief was his usual articulate self today.  "The Taliban want to make a deal.  But I'm not sure I want to make a deal.  It may not be a good deal.  On the other hand, it could be a good deal.  It'll all depends on what kind of deal they want to make.  We'll have to see what happens."  The troops, discerning what a bold, intrepid Commander in Chief now leads them so fearlessly, were heard to applaud wildly and thankfully.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > On Nov 28, 2019, at 7:41 PM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > WSJ: "Trump Says Taliban Peace Talks to Resume During Surprise Afghanistan Visit” 
> > > > <https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-makes-surprise-visit-to-afghanistan-11574968770?mod=hp_lead_pos1>
> > > > 
> > > > In the early 1960's, some US military would say of Kennedy's attack on South Vietnam, "It's a dirty little war - but it's the only war we've got.”
> > > > 
> > > > Today, thanks most recently to Obama - the first US president to be at war throughout two presidential terms - they needn't say that about Afghanistan: he's left seven others to choose from, having attacked Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, the Philippines, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen as well.
> > > > 
> > > > But the permanent government (notably Democrat ‘liberals’) insist on removing Trump for fear he'll end the killing in Afghanistan and elsewhere…
> > > > 
> > > > —CGE
> > > > 
> > > 
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