[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Flyer for Dec. 7 anti-war demo REVISED

Wed Dec 4 01:57:58 UTC 2019

I support anything that spurs discussion. Sometimes more divisive material
can generate discussions like this. It gives a good opportunity for folks
to offer different opinions & point of views. For my vote, I'm ok with the
flyer.

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 7:47 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Trump must be criticized in the context of an accurate account of what he
> and other presidents have done.
>
> The political establishment is purposely avoiding that account, in order
> to stymie a popular understanding of the crimes of US foreign policy,
>
> The’ve received immense help from the NYT, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC, PBS et al.
>
> Far too many soi-disant liberals have been misled by the political
> establishment’s account.
>
> Their politics have been said accurately to reduce to “ORANGE MAN BAD!"
>
>
> > On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:41 AM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > The U.S. is now fomenting, under Trump, proxy and economic wars, not
> direct military conflicts with U.S. forces (which would alarm the public
> with casualties and U.S. vulnerabilities). Quite clever? But terriby
> destructive and lethal nonetheless, In Syria, Ukraine, Venezuela, Yemen,
> Bolivia, Nicaragua, Cuba, in Africa, Palestine, etc.. Trump is no
> bystander. He is the lancepoint of American foreign policy, and should be
> beholden for these manifold policies, as well as on other critical policies
> such as nuclear weapons issues, military-national security budgets,
> domestic issues…,  that he embodies.
> >
> > One can get the impression that Carl serves as an apologist for Trump by
> slyly deflecting criticisms from him to past U.S. transgressions ….
> >
> > Especially admirable is the next to last entry (With other peace
> groups…) of your pamphlet.
> >
> > UBI? What?
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Much better.
> >>
> >> Though I do have a question given the flyer is supposed to reflect the
> opinions of most AWARE folks, or those who intend to be at the demo.
> Saturday: Do most members of AWARE support UBI?
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 08:30, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> [Incorporates several suggestions from members & friends of AWARE]
> >>>
> >>>
> =====================================================================================================
> >>> “IMPEACH TRUMP!” is the U.S. political establishment’s way of
> distracting you from America’s war-making around the world
> >>>
> >>> The U.S. media (owned by large corporations) continue to tell us how
> terrible President Trump is, but that is a way to avoid talking about how
> terrible U.S. government war-making is - most recently in Venezuela and
> Bolivia.
> >>>
> >>> And in regard to killing people around the world, the Trump
> administration’s policy seems little different from that of the Obama
> administration - for all of President Trump’s assertions that he wants to
> end the Obama-Clinton wars.
> >>>
> >>> President Obama inherited two shameful wars from the Bush
> administration (in Afghanistan and Iraq): he increased the number to eight
> (attacking Libya, Pakistan, the Philippines, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen as
> well) and became the first U.S. president ever to be at war throughout two
> terms. Not even presidents Roosevelt (WWII), Wilson (WWI), or Lincoln
> (Civil War) did that.
> >>>
> >>> As Barack Obama said in 2012, after ordering drone assassinations of
> American citizens, including minors (purposely),  “Turns out I’m really
> good at killing people; didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of
> mine.”
> >>>
> >>> While “covering sin with smooth names,” Obama  continued America’s
> longest-standing foreign policy - attempting to prevent the integration of
> Eurasia, for fear that it would interfere with the U.S. elite’s economic
> exploitation of the rest of the world - by American war provocations
> against Russia and China, from Ukraine to the South China Sea.
> >>>
> >>> Trump, after criticizing Obama’s war-making, has largely continued it
> - in part at least because he is under pressure from the ‘deep state’ to
> maintain the traditional US foreign policy of retarding the economic
> development of Russia and China.
> >>>
> >>> Since the end of WWII,  the U.S. has killed more than 20 million
> people in wars (Korea, Vietnam, Latin America, Mideast, and elsewhere)
> designed to destroy challenges to the economic hegemony the U.S. obtained
> as the only major country largely undamaged by WWII. (Russia lost 27
> million people in defeating Naziism; U.S. losses in WWII totaled about a
> half million people.)
> >>>
> >>> That is why today international polls show that the U.S. is the most
> feared government in the world - not China, Russia, Iran, or Israel. The
> rest of the world recognizes that the U.S. government remains what Martin
> Luther King called it long ago: “the greatest purveyor of violence in the
> world today.”
> >>>
> >>> With other peace groups around the world, we call upon our president
> and government
> >>> (a) to close the thousand U.S. military bases on foreign soil (most
> encircling Russia and China),
> >>> (b) to bring all U.S. troops (and weapons) home, and
> >>> (c) to provide social supports - including free medical care,
> education, and a universal basic income - for Americans, who have been made
> poorer by generations of our government’s wars.
> >>> ~~~
> >>>
> >>> In Illinois, send your opinion to your local representatives in
> Congress--
> >>> ~ Senator Dick Durbin: <https://www.durbin.senate.gov/contact/email>
> >>> ~ Sen. Tammy Duckworth: <
> https://www.duckworth.senate.gov/content/contact-senator>
> >>> ~ Representative Rodney Davis: <https://rodneydavis.house.gov/contact/
> >
> >>> ~~~
> >>>
> >>> The ‘Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort’ is on Facebook at
> >>> <AWARE of Champaign-Urbana Illinois>
> >>> The TV program ‘AWARE on the Air,’ a local discussion of war news, is
> on
> >>> Urbana Public Television, Tuesdays at 10pm (& available on YouTube)
> >>>
> >>> ###
> >>>
> >>>
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