[Peace-discuss] [Peace] News from Neptune #442 notes

Sat Dec 7 13:27:34 UTC 2019

Carl

LOL, Kids, yes I just heard the same from a friend whose son left Bangkok at age five. 

I saw the very interesting posting and photo of you with anti-war students at ND, and the article in relation to your activism supporting the students at the time.  

I pay little attention to the elections/candidates so I knew next to nothing about Buttigieg until I heard the interview with Peter Van Buren by the Moderate Rebels, and realized I knew little about Kinsey as well, thinking they were just a consulting firm, granted a major one but……..

> On Dec 6, 2019, at 21:07, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
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> Thanks for the response.
> 
> Have you seen the interesting questions raised about Buttigieg in regard to (1) his clients at Kinsey and (2) his activities in naval intelligence?
> 
> He seems to have been working for essentially the same people both times.  
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> Nathan Robinson in an older article in Current Affairs exposed some of who he is.
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> I’m just back from a weekend in South Bend (“Mayor Pete”), commemorating an anti-war demo at Notre Dame no less than 50 years ago.
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> Under ordinary circumstances, my kids would have grown up there, and I would have retired from ND.
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> (The best line was my eldest son’s. When I told him last week that we were going to ND for the weekend, I said, "You might have grown up there.” 
> 
> He said, "Dad, I DID grow up there.” He was six when we left.)  
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> "I grow old ... I grow old … / I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.”
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> —CGE
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>> On Dec 6, 2019, at 9:04 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> Good show
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>> My thoughts while watching: 
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>> It might be of value to mention that CLR James, author of the Black Jacobins, Adolph Reed and others discussing “race as not the issue, focus should be on class,” are not white. In a recent interview with Adolph Reed he claimed to have been a former Black Panther. 
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>> Many believe Kamala Harris failure to generate support, was due to her tough law and order record when a DA in SF. She was no liberal. She is now playing the race card by claiming, “America isn’t ready for a woman President, a black woman President.”
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>> As to Pete Buttagieg, it might be worth promoting the podcast discussion referred to by Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal. Their interview with journalist Peter Van Buren was very insightful. My employer had me charge Kinsey Consultants $1,000 an hour, consulting with me. Had I known what I know now, I would have charged double.
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>> https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=2213779038916121&notif_id=1575653773190302&notif_t=live_video <https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=2213779038916121&notif_id=1575653773190302&notif_t=live_video>
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>> Louis Proyect, the former ISO leadership, the local Black Rose Anarchists, and many others have lost credibility as “Leftists,” when they support the USG intervention and war in Syria. Many are Trotskyist organizations, as claimed by Diana Johnstone, but not all, the WSWS.ORG does not support imperialism in Syria.  
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>> Socialists/Communists generally do not support imperialism in Syria or anywhere else, if they do one should question there true intentions.
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>>> On Dec 6, 2019, at 16:12, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>>> News from Neptune #442
>>> A "Fight Race Reductionism" edition
>>> Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6tW-stKUKc
>>> 
>>> A list of links to items referenced on the show.
>>> 
>>> Tariq Ali on "A Conversation with C.L.R. James"
>>> https://www.marxists.org/archive/james-clr/works/1980/07/tariq-ali.htm
>>> 
>>> Briahna Gray on "Beware the Race Reductionist"
>>> https://theintercept.com/2018/08/26/beware-the-race-reductionist/
>>> 
>>> Tom Mackaman on "An interview with historian Gordon Wood on the New York Times’ 1619 Project"
>>> https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/11/28/wood-n28.html
>>> 
>>> Tom Mackaman on "An interview with historian James McPherson on the New York Times’ 1619 Project"
>>> https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/11/14/mcph-n14.html
>>> 
>>> "Black Marxism" by Cedric Robinson
>>> Published: October 2005
>>> Complete book: https://libcom.org/files/Black%20Marxism-Cedric%20J.%20Robinson.pdf
>>> Paperback ISBN: 978-0-8078-4829-6
>>> eBook ISBN: 978-0-8078-7612-1
>>> 
>>> Gregory Myerson on "Tortilla Curtain and The Ecology of Fear"
>>> https://projects.ncsu.edu/project/acontracorriente/fall_04/Meyerson.pdf
>>> 
>>> "The Wages of Whiteness: Race and the Making of the American Working Class" by David Roediger
>>> Complete book: https://caringlabor.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/roediger-the-wages-of-whiteness-race-and-the-making-of-the-american-working-class.pdf
>>> 
>>> Noel Ignatiev and "Race Traitor"
>>> Winter 2005 number 16: https://thecharnelhouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Race-Traitor-%E2%84%96-16-Winter-2005.pdf
>>> 
>>> Articles about Noel Ignatiev
>>> https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/11/15/noel-ignatiev-remembering-a-comrade-and-a-friend/
>>> http://www.renegadetribune.com/genocidal-jew-noel-ignatiev-is-dead-good-riddance/
>>> 
>>> "How the Irish Became White" by Noel Ignatiev
>>> ISBN: 0415918251
>>> ISBN13: 9780415918251
>>> 
>>> Theodore W. Allen on "On Roediger's Wages of Whiteness"
>>> http://www.elegantbrain.com/edu4/classes/readings/race-roediger-allen.html
>>> 
>>> Cedric Johnson on "The Wages of Roediger: Why Three Decades of Whiteness Studies Has Not Produced the Left We Need"
>>> https://nonsite.org/article/the-wages-of-roediger-why-three-decades-of-whiteness-studies-has-not-produced-the-left-we-need
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>>> 
>>> Barbara J. Fields on "Slavery, Race and Ideology in the United States of America"
>>> https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2763-slavery-race-and-ideology-in-the-united-states-of-america
>>> 
>>> David Green's "Wealth gap" post to peace-discuss
>>> https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-December/051656.html
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>>> 
>>> David Green's recent letters to the editor of the News-Gazette
>>> https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/letter-to-the-editor-harassment-study-is-silly-propaganda/article_9d4eee6b-a8fa-5d8a-8609-169c0d256af9.html -- "Harassment study is silly propaganda"
>>> https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letter-to-the-editor-concerns-voiced-about-bend-the-arc/article_99b2ac36-4279-5cad-8b60-892ca30dde6e.html -- "Concerns voiced about Bend the Arc"
>>> 
>>> C. G. Estabrook on News-Gazette’s feature “Those Who Served” weekly feature in a letter to the News-Gazette
>>> https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/letter-to-the-editor-u-s-has-killed-millions-in/article_87b213e5-9f21-5acf-8f54-df41b18d026d.html
>>> 
>>> Thomas Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow"
>>> https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Pynchon#Gravity's_Rainbow_(1973)
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>>> 
>>> Moderate Rebels on "What was Pete Buttigieg doing in Iraq?: US gov whistleblower on war profiteering and corruption"
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9V-HlSyiwE
>>> https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/moderaterebels/Moderate_Rebels_Pete_Buttigieg_Iraq_Peter_Van_Buren.mp3?dest-id=553365
>>> 
>>> Alicia Luke on "Buttigieg Admits No Combat Ribbon From Deployment To Afghanistan"
>>> https://freedomoutpost.com/buttigieg-admits-no-combat-ribbon-from-deployment-to-afghanistan/
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Louis Proyect on "Douma, Chlorine Gas and Occam’s Razor"
>>> https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/11/22/douma-chlorine-gas-and-occams-razor/
>>> 
>>> Jefferson Morley on "Why the Douma Chemical Attack Wasn’t a ‘Managed Massacre’"
>>> https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/12/06/why-the-douma-chemical-attack-wasnt-a-managed-massacre/
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>>> 
>>> J.B. Nicholson's notes
>>> https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace/2019-December/015404.html
>>> https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-December/051610.html
>>> 
>>> -J
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