From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 16:37:46 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:37:46 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: A Pro-Life Case For Elizabeth Warren | Mark
 Gordon
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I have a number of hesitations about Warren - but this may be accurate.
> 
> https://www.patheos.com/blogs/voxnova/2019/06/12/a-pro-life-case-for-elizabeth-warren/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=share_bar#M3Hcs1bMggCd3Il9.03 <https://www.patheos.com/blogs/voxnova/2019/06/12/a-pro-life-case-for-elizabeth-warren/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=share_bar#M3Hcs1bMggCd3Il9.03>
> 
> I have a number of hesitations about Warren - but this may be accurate.

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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Mon Jul  1 16:48:11 2019
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:48:11 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: A Pro-Life Case For Elizabeth Warren |
 Mark Gordon
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If life begins at conception, then denying a pregnant woman access to
pre-natal care is child abuse.

If the Catholic bishops came out for Medicare for All on these grounds,
THAT would be a political revolution.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 11:38 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> I have a number of hesitations about Warren - but this may be accurate.
>
>
>
> https://www.patheos.com/blogs/voxnova/2019/06/12/a-pro-life-case-for-elizabeth-warren/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=share_bar#M3Hcs1bMggCd3Il9.03
>
> I have a number of hesitations about Warren - but this may be accurate.
>
>
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 17:12:37 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 12:12:37 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: A Pro-Life Case For Elizabeth Warren |
 Mark Gordon
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That is the position of many American Catholics (bishops included).

See <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_life_ethic> and

<https://www.patheos.com/blogs/voxnova/2019/06/12/a-pro-life-case-for-elizabeth-warren/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=share_bar&fbclid=IwAR1lHm0paVnIN6RT5zApVLoLIPGaL-S0v9XDjep96ZLlcRchGngGvpeXteQ#rOrIexaCSPm0qBDo.01>

—CGE



> On Jul 1, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> If life begins at conception, then denying a pregnant woman access to pre-natal care is child abuse. 
> 
> If the Catholic bishops came out for Medicare for All on these grounds, THAT would be a political revolution. 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 11:38 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> I have a number of hesitations about Warren - but this may be accurate.
>> 
>> https://www.patheos.com/blogs/voxnova/2019/06/12/a-pro-life-case-for-elizabeth-warren/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=share_bar#M3Hcs1bMggCd3Il9.03
>> 
>> I have a number of hesitations about Warren - but this may be accurate.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss


From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Mon Jul  1 17:20:40 2019
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 12:20:40 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: A Pro-Life Case For Elizabeth Warren |
 Mark Gordon
In-Reply-To: <546C8550-A53A-43C4-BB64-2F1F6CA2F681@gmail.com>
References: <CAN_ZZBOY5oQS5PJYGjWkwzYDNTwRrs-2qChaZjDAQ-FzCiYarQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <EFB0EB70-95C9-431C-B055-050305F38D88@gmail.com>
 <CALMNhNQwRpfxVCgU_LOwAtZGVdCf-eHar1grgApnkB3xwZNy3w@mail.gmail.com>
 <546C8550-A53A-43C4-BB64-2F1F6CA2F681@gmail.com>
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It's one thing for some bishops to have that view, it would be another
thing entirely if the USCCB adopted it. They have huge power in Congress.
It would transform the national discussion of Medicare for All overnight.

===

Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1





On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 12:12 PM C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:

> That is the position of many American Catholics (bishops included).
>
> See <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_life_ethic> and
>
> <
> https://www.patheos.com/blogs/voxnova/2019/06/12/a-pro-life-case-for-elizabeth-warren/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=share_bar&fbclid=IwAR1lHm0paVnIN6RT5zApVLoLIPGaL-S0v9XDjep96ZLlcRchGngGvpeXteQ#rOrIexaCSPm0qBDo.01
> >
>
> —CGE
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If life begins at conception, then denying a pregnant woman access to
> pre-natal care is child abuse.
> >
> > If the Catholic bishops came out for Medicare for All on these grounds,
> THAT would be a political revolution.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 11:38 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > I have a number of hesitations about Warren - but this may be accurate.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.patheos.com/blogs/voxnova/2019/06/12/a-pro-life-case-for-elizabeth-warren/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=share_bar#M3Hcs1bMggCd3Il9.03
> >>
> >> I have a number of hesitations about Warren - but this may be accurate.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Peace-discuss mailing list
> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 22:53:16 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:53:16 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: A Pro-Life Case For Elizabeth Warren |
 Mark Gordon
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNQ9+WQ961NAjVcC6vJFCu3e-gAMn8yCbUqOK202Hkrnow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN_ZZBOY5oQS5PJYGjWkwzYDNTwRrs-2qChaZjDAQ-FzCiYarQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <EFB0EB70-95C9-431C-B055-050305F38D88@gmail.com>
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http://www.usccb.org/about/general-counsel/rulemaking/comments-on-proposed-hhs-regulations-prenatal-care.cfm


> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> It's one thing for some bishops to have that view, it would be another thing entirely if the USCCB adopted it. They have huge power in Congress. It would transform the national discussion of Medicare for All overnight. 
> 
> ===
> 
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 12:12 PM C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
> That is the position of many American Catholics (bishops included).
> 
> See <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_life_ethic> and
> 
> <https://www.patheos.com/blogs/voxnova/2019/06/12/a-pro-life-case-for-elizabeth-warren/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=share_bar&fbclid=IwAR1lHm0paVnIN6RT5zApVLoLIPGaL-S0v9XDjep96ZLlcRchGngGvpeXteQ#rOrIexaCSPm0qBDo.01>
> 
> —CGE
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jul 1, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > If life begins at conception, then denying a pregnant woman access to pre-natal care is child abuse. 
> > 
> > If the Catholic bishops came out for Medicare for All on these grounds, THAT would be a political revolution. 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 11:38 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > I have a number of hesitations about Warren - but this may be accurate.
> >> 
> >> https://www.patheos.com/blogs/voxnova/2019/06/12/a-pro-life-case-for-elizabeth-warren/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=share_bar#M3Hcs1bMggCd3Il9.03
> >> 
> >> I have a number of hesitations about Warren - but this may be accurate.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Peace-discuss mailing list
> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
> 


From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Tue Jul  2 00:19:28 2019
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:19:28 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: A Pro-Life Case For Elizabeth Warren |
 Mark Gordon
In-Reply-To: <6E1ED2E8-BC5C-480E-815D-6994FF6E2046@gmail.com>
References: <CAN_ZZBOY5oQS5PJYGjWkwzYDNTwRrs-2qChaZjDAQ-FzCiYarQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <EFB0EB70-95C9-431C-B055-050305F38D88@gmail.com>
 <CALMNhNQwRpfxVCgU_LOwAtZGVdCf-eHar1grgApnkB3xwZNy3w@mail.gmail.com>
 <546C8550-A53A-43C4-BB64-2F1F6CA2F681@gmail.com>
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 <6E1ED2E8-BC5C-480E-815D-6994FF6E2046@gmail.com>
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I'm not cynical about this. I can imagine a world in which the Catholic
Bishops would support Medicare for All and help push it across the finish
line in Congress. Already there's been a huge shift in "mainstream debate"
since the time of the Obamacare fight. In the Democratic debates,
Gillibrand defended Medicare for All and said she wrote the transition
section of the bill. Warren defended it too. And they're not running in the
"democratic socialism" lane. I figure that, the month before Medicare for
All is enacted, it's not seen as a "leftist" idea any more, any more than
having a public library or a public school or a public post office or a
public fire department is seen as a leftist idea. Illinois just legalized
recreational marijuana, and it seems like kind of a nothing burger. Yeah,
of course that was going to happen. It wasn't so long ago that was a
completely marginal idea. In one of Michael Moore's movies he shows how
"conservatives" in Canada support their Medicare-for-All system, think it's
a no-brainer to do so. I can imagine being there on Medicare for All two
years from now, with the Catholic Bishops helping to push it through
Congress.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:53 PM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

>
> http://www.usccb.org/about/general-counsel/rulemaking/comments-on-proposed-hhs-regulations-prenatal-care.cfm
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It's one thing for some bishops to have that view, it would be another
> thing entirely if the USCCB adopted it. They have huge power in Congress.
> It would transform the national discussion of Medicare for All overnight.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 12:12 PM C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > That is the position of many American Catholics (bishops included).
> >
> > See <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_life_ethic> and
> >
> > <
> https://www.patheos.com/blogs/voxnova/2019/06/12/a-pro-life-case-for-elizabeth-warren/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=share_bar&fbclid=IwAR1lHm0paVnIN6RT5zApVLoLIPGaL-S0v9XDjep96ZLlcRchGngGvpeXteQ#rOrIexaCSPm0qBDo.01
> >
> >
> > —CGE
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 1, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Robert Naiman <
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > If life begins at conception, then denying a pregnant woman access to
> pre-natal care is child abuse.
> > >
> > > If the Catholic bishops came out for Medicare for All on these
> grounds, THAT would be a political revolution.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 11:38 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > > I have a number of hesitations about Warren - but this may be accurate.
> > >>
> > >>
> https://www.patheos.com/blogs/voxnova/2019/06/12/a-pro-life-case-for-elizabeth-warren/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=share_bar#M3Hcs1bMggCd3Il9.03
> > >>
> > >> I have a number of hesitations about Warren - but this may be
> accurate.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Peace-discuss mailing list
> > > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Tue Jul  2 00:54:43 2019
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:54:43 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Liberals consider Trump's policies on North Korea
Message-ID: <CALMNhNQ9c0mZfZDiBpeQd2bQ2ao_NiegcVMTOMX-cDbSrjxk5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Courtesy of Chuck Munson.

[image: North Korea and the Liberals.jpg]

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From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 14:52:14 2019
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 09:52:14 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] July 4th parade: AWARE is #94. Come ~10:30ish to
 Assembly Hall parking lot!
Message-ID: <3013c59c-46fb-fa23-3bce-426c0748e51e@gmail.com>

AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort, has a spot in the C-U July 4th
parade. *We are entry #94, *near the end of the parade.

Who can be there??   So far I've heard from Rohn, Karen M, and Stuart.

We'll have a few anti-war/anti-imperialist/pro-peace signs, or bring
your own.

The parade's theme this year: Flight in Space.

*Where:* We gather in the Assembly Hall (state farm center) parking lot.
Entrances are on Kirby (north end of lot) and St Mary's Rd (south end).
If you're driving in but your car won't be part of the parade, they'll
have you park in the north end of the lot.   Look for our entry number: 
*#94.*

*When: *They'd like us there "after 10am", so I'll suggest *gathering
around 10:30am.**
***
Parade starts around 11am.  Guessing that our tail of the parade might
move by noon or so.

*Weather:  *expected to be warm, high 80s.   *Chance of
rain/thunderstorms.   *They'll make a weather call by 8am Thursday.

They'd like cars to be decorated, so Carl, we will want a way to hang a
sign or two on your convertible.
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Tue Jul  2 16:34:51 2019
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:34:51 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] July 4th parade: AWARE is #94. Come
 ~10:30ish to Assembly Hall parking lot!
In-Reply-To: <3013c59c-46fb-fa23-3bce-426c0748e51e@gmail.com>
References: <3013c59c-46fb-fa23-3bce-426c0748e51e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3901443B-ACC6-4B3C-8B4B-4AA9B8C7544C@newsfromneptune.com>

Tape, I should think. And perhaps a flagpole behind the driver’s seat.



> On Jul 2, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Stuart Levy via OccupyCU <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort, has a spot in the C-U July 4th parade. We are entry #94, near the end of the parade.
> 
> Who can be there??   So far I've heard from Rohn, Karen M, and Stuart.
> 
> We'll have a few anti-war/anti-imperialist/pro-peace signs, or bring your own.
> 
> The parade's theme this year: Flight in Space.
> 
> Where: We gather in the Assembly Hall (state farm center) parking lot. Entrances are on Kirby (north end of lot) and St Mary's Rd (south end). If you're driving in but your car won't be part of the parade, they'll have you park in the north end of the lot.   Look for our entry number:  #94.
> 
> When: They'd like us there "after 10am", so I'll suggest gathering around 10:30am.
> 
> Parade starts around 11am.  Guessing that our tail of the parade might move by noon or so.
> 
> Weather:  expected to be warm, high 80s.   Chance of rain/thunderstorms.   They'll make a weather call by 8am Thursday.
> 
> They'd like cars to be decorated, so Carl, we will want a way to hang a sign or two on your convertible.
> _______________________________________________
> OccupyCU mailing list
> OccupyCU at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/occupycu


From jbn at forestfield.org  Tue Jul  2 21:06:15 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 16:06:15 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE on the Air #485 notes
Message-ID: <a0e9d928-f8a4-9f04-6655-ac486368962f@forestfield.org>

AWARE on the Air #485
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snxHF_n1tR4

Diana Johnstone on "The San Francisco Murals and the Suicide of the Left"
http://www.unz.com/article/the-san-francisco-murals-and-the-suicide-of-the-left/
https://www.globalresearch.ca/san-francisco-murals-suicide-left/5682193

Gerald Horne interviewed on Democracy Now on 2014-06-27 about "The 
Counter-revolution of 1776"
https://www.democracynow.org/2014/6/27/counter_revolution_of_1776_was_us
https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/1776-counter-revolution-us-origins/

"The Counter-Revolution of 1776" by Gerald Horne
Complete book:
EPub format: 
https://libcom.org/files/The%20Counter-Revolution%20of%201776_%20-%20Horne,%20Gerald.epub
Mobi format: 
https://libcom.org/files/The%20Counter-Revolution%20of%201776_%20-%20Horne,%20Gerald_0.mobi

"Race to Revolution: The U.S. and Cuba during Slavery and Jim Crow" by 
Gerald Horne
ISBN-10: 1583674454
ISBN-13: 978-1583674451

Economic Update: Rise and Fall of the USSR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y-TWFKw4tU

-J

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Jul  3 16:00:15 2019
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:00:15 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] July 4th parade: AWARE is #94. Come
 ~10:30ish to Assembly Hall parking lot!
In-Reply-To: <3013c59c-46fb-fa23-3bce-426c0748e51e@gmail.com>
References: <3013c59c-46fb-fa23-3bce-426c0748e51e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73A03FF3-D23A-4F27-93AF-54A0545B98D9@newsfromneptune.com>

Stuart—

I’m afraid I’m not up to the rigors of the parade (even driving) - much as I’d like to, as I have in the past.

Regrets, Carl



> On Jul 2, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Stuart Levy via OccupyCU <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort, has a spot in the C-U July 4th parade. We are entry #94, near the end of the parade.
> 
> Who can be there??   So far I've heard from Rohn, Karen M, and Stuart.
> 
> We'll have a few anti-war/anti-imperialist/pro-peace signs, or bring your own.
> 
> The parade's theme this year: Flight in Space.
> 
> Where: We gather in the Assembly Hall (state farm center) parking lot. Entrances are on Kirby (north end of lot) and St Mary's Rd (south end). If you're driving in but your car won't be part of the parade, they'll have you park in the north end of the lot.   Look for our entry number:  #94.
> 
> When: They'd like us there "after 10am", so I'll suggest gathering around 10:30am.
> 
> Parade starts around 11am.  Guessing that our tail of the parade might move by noon or so.
> 
> Weather:  expected to be warm, high 80s.   Chance of rain/thunderstorms.   They'll make a weather call by 8am Thursday.
> 
> They'd like cars to be decorated, so Carl, we will want a way to hang a sign or two on your convertible.
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From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 16:11:12 2019
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:11:12 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] July 4th parade: AWARE is #94. Come
 ~10:30ish to Assembly Hall parking lot!
In-Reply-To: <73A03FF3-D23A-4F27-93AF-54A0545B98D9@newsfromneptune.com>
References: <3013c59c-46fb-fa23-3bce-426c0748e51e@gmail.com>
 <73A03FF3-D23A-4F27-93AF-54A0545B98D9@newsfromneptune.com>
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Oh, sorry to hear it.   Take care, Carl.

On 7/3/19 11:00 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> Stuart—
>
> I’m afraid I’m not up to the rigors of the parade (even driving) - much as I’d like to, as I have in the past.
>
> Regrets, Carl
>
>
>
>> On Jul 2, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Stuart Levy via OccupyCU <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>> AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort, has a spot in the C-U July 4th parade. We are entry #94, near the end of the parade.
>>
>> Who can be there??   So far I've heard from Rohn, Karen M, and Stuart.
>>
>> We'll have a few anti-war/anti-imperialist/pro-peace signs, or bring your own.
>>
>> The parade's theme this year: Flight in Space.
>>
>> Where: We gather in the Assembly Hall (state farm center) parking lot. Entrances are on Kirby (north end of lot) and St Mary's Rd (south end). If you're driving in but your car won't be part of the parade, they'll have you park in the north end of the lot.   Look for our entry number:  #94.
>>
>> When: They'd like us there "after 10am", so I'll suggest gathering around 10:30am.
>>
>> Parade starts around 11am.  Guessing that our tail of the parade might move by noon or so.
>>
>> Weather:  expected to be warm, high 80s.   Chance of rain/thunderstorms.   They'll make a weather call by 8am Thursday.
>>
>> They'd like cars to be decorated, so Carl, we will want a way to hang a sign or two on your convertible.
>> _______________________________________________
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From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 11:05:36 2019
From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 06:05:36 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] [OccupyCU] July 4th parade: AWARE is
 #94. Come ~10:30ish to Assembly Hall parking lot!
In-Reply-To: <73A03FF3-D23A-4F27-93AF-54A0545B98D9@newsfromneptune.com>
References: <3013c59c-46fb-fa23-3bce-426c0748e51e@gmail.com>
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Anyone wanting Healthcare not Warfare or Medicare For All signs, come to
PDA (red Ford Ranger) at back end of entry #86 before parade takes off

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:01 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Stuart—
>
> I’m afraid I’m not up to the rigors of the parade (even driving) - much as
> I’d like to, as I have in the past.
>
> Regrets, Carl
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Stuart Levy via OccupyCU <
> occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort, has a spot in the C-U July 4th
> parade. We are entry #94, near the end of the parade.
> >
> > Who can be there??   So far I've heard from Rohn, Karen M, and Stuart.
> >
> > We'll have a few anti-war/anti-imperialist/pro-peace signs, or bring
> your own.
> >
> > The parade's theme this year: Flight in Space.
> >
> > Where: We gather in the Assembly Hall (state farm center) parking lot.
> Entrances are on Kirby (north end of lot) and St Mary's Rd (south end). If
> you're driving in but your car won't be part of the parade, they'll have
> you park in the north end of the lot.   Look for our entry number:  #94.
> >
> > When: They'd like us there "after 10am", so I'll suggest gathering
> around 10:30am.
> >
> > Parade starts around 11am.  Guessing that our tail of the parade might
> move by noon or so.
> >
> > Weather:  expected to be warm, high 80s.   Chance of
> rain/thunderstorms.   They'll make a weather call by 8am Thursday.
> >
> > They'd like cars to be decorated, so Carl, we will want a way to hang a
> sign or two on your convertible.
> > _______________________________________________
> > OccupyCU mailing list
> > OccupyCU at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/occupycu
>
> _______________________________________________
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 14:16:55 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 09:16:55 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss]
 the-economist-behind-the-one-percents-stealth-takeover-of-america
Message-ID: <680EC4E5-35A4-4360-BB94-BDD34ADA73C4@gmail.com>

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/meet-the-economist-behind-the-one-percents-stealth-takeover-of-america

H/t Michael Shapiro

From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Thu Jul  4 14:51:15 2019
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 09:51:15 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss]
 the-economist-behind-the-one-percents-stealth-takeover-of-america
In-Reply-To: <680EC4E5-35A4-4360-BB94-BDD34ADA73C4@gmail.com>
References: <680EC4E5-35A4-4360-BB94-BDD34ADA73C4@gmail.com>
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Excellent article Carl !

David J.

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https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/meet-the-economist-behind-the-one-percents-stealth-takeover-of-america

H/t Michael Shapiro
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Thu Jul  4 22:17:07 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 17:17:07 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Notes
Message-ID: <b4388102-b3a6-02d1-46c4-e2dd0bd96d3d@forestfield.org>

“Capitalism does not permit an even flow of economic resources. With this 
system, a small privileged few are rich beyond conscience, and almost all 
others are doomed to be poor at some level. That’s the way the system 
works. And since we know that the system will not change the rules, we are 
going to have to change the system.”

“Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in health care is the most 
shocking and inhumane.”

-- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.


Domestic spying: National Public Radio on "FBI Urges Universities To 
Monitor Some Chinese Students And Scholars In The U.S."

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/28/728659124/fbi-urges-universities-to-monitor-some-chinese-students-and-scholars-in-the-u-s
https://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=728659124

> U.S. intelligence agencies are encouraging American research
> universities to develop protocols for monitoring students and visiting
> scholars from Chinese state-affiliated research institutions, as U.S.
> suspicion toward China spreads to academia.
> 
> Since last year, FBI officials have visited at least 10 members of the
> Association of American Universities, a group of 62 research
> universities, with an unclassified list of Chinese research institutions
> and companies.
> 
> Universities have been advised to monitor students and scholars
> associated with those entities on American campuses, according to three
> administrators briefed at separate institutions. FBI officials have also
> urged universities to review ongoing research involving Chinese
> individuals that could have defense applications, the administrators
> say.
> 
> "We are being asked what processes are in place to know what labs they
> are working at or what information they are being exposed to," Fred
> Cate, vice president of research at Indiana University, tells NPR. "It's
> not a question of just looking for suspicious behavior — it's actually
> really targeting specific countries and the people from those
> countries."
> 
> In a statement responding to NPR's questions, the FBI said it "regularly
> engages with the communities we serve. As part of this continual
> outreach, we meet with a wide variety of groups, organizations,
> businesses, and academic institutions. The FBI has met with top
> officials from academia as part of our ongoing engagement on national
> security matters."
> 
> While law enforcement agents have discussed university monitoring of
> other nationalities as well, these FBI briefings addressed visitors from
> China in particular who are involved in science, technology, engineering
> and math.
> 
> Such FBI requests are advisory, not mandatory. Administrators say the
> universities briefed by the FBI have not yet implemented additional
> monitoring protocols. They say they have pushed back because of
> skepticism of the threat level and because the FBI requests lack
> specificity in implementation.



Dahr Jamail on "Over One-Tenth of Global Population Could Lack Drinking 
Water by 2030"
https://truthout.org/articles/over-one-tenth-of-global-population-could-lack-drinking-water-by-2030/

> A recent study[1] published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of
> Sciences showed that sea-level rise could be twice as bad as previously
> expected, due to accelerated melting in the Antarctic and Greenland.
> Instead of the previous worst-case scenario of 1 meter by 2100, the
> study has doubled that figure. Several scientists this writer has
> interviewed believe the realistic figure of sea level rise by 2100 will
> be even higher than this recent study’s prediction.
> 
> Another report[2] showed how the state of Florida could be facing a $76
> billion bill to mitigate and adapt to climate crisis impacts by just
> 2040, mostly from rising sea levels.
> 
> To give you an idea of how far along we already are in this crisis, in
> some areas of China, fruit trees have to be pollinated by hand[3] due to
> lack of pollinators. Climate disruption is a major contributing factor
> toward the loss of insects around the planet.
> 
> The Arctic, our proverbial canary in the climate coalmine, just saw its
> hottest May ever recorded[4]. Coastal erosion of permafrost is happening at
> a rate of up to one meter every day, and the current rate of coastal
> erosion is already six times higher than the historical rate.
> 
> In Siberia, carbon-laden permafrost has warmed by 1.6 degrees Fahrenheit
> (1.6°F)[5] in just the last 10 years alone. This is an ominous sign, for as
> the permafrost thaws it releases carbon and methane, making this one of
> the most dangerous feedback loops in the climate crisis, given that
> permafrost around the globe contains twice the amount of carbon that is
> already in the atmosphere. In fact, it has now been shown that the
> permafrost is thawing 70 years sooner[6] than previously predicted.
> 
> According to a 2017 study[7], tundra in Alaska is already warming up so
> quickly that it has become a net emitter of CO2 ahead of schedule —
> rather than sequestering carbon, as it has historically done. Thawing is
> occurring so rapidly in the Arctic now, sinkholes[8] are becoming
> increasingly common across the region.
> 
> To make matters worse, Arctic sea-ice extent for early June was at a
> record low[9], and the ice could be on track now for a record melt year at
> the current trajectory.

[1] https://www.pnas.org/content/116/23/11195
[2] 
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2019/06/20/florida-could-face-76-billion-in-climate-change-costs-by-2040-report-says/
[3] 
https://www.freshplaza.com/article/9107955/china-fruit-trees-pollinated-by-hand-due-to-a-lack-of-pollinating-insects/?fbclid=IwAR3cs24Uo7mNty0SF893oUeLbUEEahNF__bKKdSeGxz32P_3dhH8RjMzRIE
[4] 
https://thinkprogress.org/arctic-death-spiral-coastal-permafrost-collapse-23d650acea99/
[5] https://thinkprogress.org/dangerous-permafrost-climate-feedback-loop/
[6] 
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/18/arctic-permafrost-canada-science-climate-crisis?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
[7] https://www.pnas.org/content/114/21/5361
[8] 
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/11/americas/thermokarst-arctic-climate-change-intl-hnk/index.html
[9] 
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2019/06/13/after-a-miserable-may-with-unusual-warmth-arctic-sea-ice-hits-a-record-low-for-early-june/#.XQ_d6NNKgdU





"Anti-war" politicians and the Democratic Party: Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) 
gets favorable press calling her "anti-war" but few note the specifics to 
back up that assessment.

https://digitalcitizen.info/2019/02/13/is-tulsi-gabbard-really-anti-war-no-shes-pro-drone-and-for-surgical-strikes/ 
-- On Rep. Gabbard being "anti-war" I point to my own essay and I'll also 
note that her 2018 interview with The Intercept in which she said she was 
down with the drone war remains undiscussed in most of the press covering 
her at all.

Apparently I'm not alone in recognizing the difference between what she 
backs and calling her "anti-war". It seems more likely that Rep. Gabbard 
presents no serious opposition to American empire because she doesn't argue 
against warmaking, she argues for changing the way in which empire 
maintenance is carried out -- her plan is apparently to use drones to keep 
American soldiers safer while they kill a lot of innocent people where the 
drone bombs land. Is that an anti-war position or is that merely changing a 
few details by which the US assassinates people, creates enemies, and earns 
the US a solid reputation for being "the greatest purveyor of violence in 
the world today" as Martin Luther King Jr. famously said on April 4, 1967 
("Beyond Vietnam", 
https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/beyond-vietnam)?


https://71republic.com/tag/tulsi-gabbard-drone-strikes/ -- Ryan Lau wrote:

> One of Tulsi Gabbard’s biggest talking points so far is that she opposes
> wars. In particular, she has criticized continual actions on the part of
> the United States in Syria and Afghanistan. However, it would be foolish
> to equate these limited responses with truly opposing the practice on
> its face. There is a clear difference between opposing a particular war
> and opposing the very concept of war.
> 
> An excellent place to begin searching for Gabbard’s true position is her
> voting record. But rather than portraying the 37-year-old congresswoman
> as a dove, it suggests that she is more mixed on the matter. Admittedly,
> she did oppose[1] two key defense funding bills in 2018. Yet, the same is
> not true for the bill that would appropriate this funding.
> 
> On September 26, 2018, Tulsi Gabbard voted in favor of a key defense
> appropriations bill that, quite frankly, had some absurd elements. First
> of all, it appropriated a grand total of $670 billion for the military
> in 2019. Though she seemed to oppose gargantuan spending levels
> previously, it appears Gabbard had no problem voting for it the next
> time it came through.
> 
> Moreover, the bill prohibits any funding to be used for the release or
> transfer of individuals at Guantanamo Bay. Amnesty International has
> long since called the detention camp “The Gulag of our time[2]“, and the
> inhumane modes of torture that the base forces on its prisoners are no
> surprise. Even the United Nations, an organization in no way fervently
> dedicated to peace, has tried to get the United States to close
> Guantanamo Bay. Tulsi Gabbard, though, voted for an appropriation bill
> that would make it much more difficult to remove those detained from the
> subhuman conditions that the camp does little to hide. Such a move shows
> blatant disregard for human life, a value generally necessary to truly
> be antiwar.

[...]

> Furthermore, Tulsi Gabbard has very clearly stated that she favors the
> use of drone strikes against military opponents[3]. Admittedly, this is
> preferable to supporting an all-out ground war, but it is also a far cry
> from being anti-war. It appears that her concerns more closely are for
> the lives of exclusively Americans. This position blatantly disregards
> the lives of the many foreign civilians that American drones[4] kill every
> year.
> 
> In this way, Gabbard appears to more closely mirror the tactics of
> Presidents Trump and Obama. After all, Obama’s drone strikes have killed
> many civilians in eight countries[5]. There is absolutely nothing that
> indicates that Gabbard’s use of drones against “terrorists” (I use the
> term in quotations because they are the ones defending their homeland[6],
> while the American military ravages their cities) would produce a
> noticeably different result.
> 
> All in all, it appears that Tulsi Gabbard is not truly opposed to war.
> Though she may be slightly less hawkish than some other candidates, this
> is an easy task; it does not, in any meaningful way, show a real
> dedication to peace. Do not let her words fool you, and do not expect a
> sudden policy of peace if she wins the presidency in 2020. Tulsi
> Gabbard, through her support of wars and drone strikes, is little more
> than a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

[1] https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/129306/tulsi-gabbard#.XFBzh3bYrnG
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/may/26/usa.guantanamo
[3] https://theintercept.com/2018/01/20/tulsi-gabbard-syria-isis-al-qaeda/
[4] https://71republic.com/2018/08/28/delavan-thoughts-american-bomb-victim/
[5, 6] https://71republic.com/2018/12/12/missing-morals-single-story-war/

The Jimmy Dore show endorses Rep. Gabbard's 2020 presidential run (in 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWoo90eoM58 you can hear host Jimmy Dore 
joining his audience in a "Tulsi! Tulsi!" chant). Host Jimmy Dore says the 
show will soon be in Honolulu to do some shows (he repeats this in every 
ending to every recent episode). I'd bet that these Honolulu shows will 
feature Rep. Gabbard (a former guest of that show). We'll see if Dore & Co. 
put some tough questions to her about her support for drone warfare 
(something Dore has spoken against), and her use of language like "surgical 
strikes" which repeat pro-war talking points (repeating pro-war talking 
points is also something Jimmy Dore takes others to task for) even while 
she is called "anti-war".

How are we to distinguish such "anti-war" talk about Rep. Gabbard from how 
junior Illinois Senator Barack Obama was described when he ran for US 
President? Senator Obama famously said the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 was 
"a dumb war ... a rash war" and that that war was a "cynical attempt" to 
shove "ideological agendas down our throats" and would distract from 
domestic problems such as poverty and health care. President Obama 
continued the 2003 Iraq war through each year of his two terms in office, 
sharply ramped up the drone war over Pres. George W. Bush's drone warring, 
added more wars, didn't address poverty in any serious way (notably faked 
drinking Flint, Michigan water) and Obama kept the HMOs firmly in power via 
the ACA (colloquially known as "ObamaCare") while HR676 (a Medicare for All 
bill called the "gold standard" of such bills by Dr. Margaret Flowers of 
Health Over Profit for Everyone) was never brought to the floor of Congress 
for a vote even when the Democrats had a majority in both houses of Congress.

This history of choices by the Democratic Party is informative of how we 
should view that party today and tell us why we can't just trust that 
someone is anti-war even when they're repeatedly called "anti-war".




Steve Salaita on how Rep. Tulsi Gabbard's criticism of Saudi Arabia 
illuminates her support for Israel

https://stevesalaita.com/tulsi-gabbard-and-the-art-of-the-half-sentence/

> People in the Palestine solidarity community have been debating the 
> merits of Tulsi Gabbard’s presidential campaign.  Gabbard has earned the
> sympathy, or at least the interest, of some activists, while others 
> (including myself[1]) dismiss her as a Zionist.
> 
> Gabbard’s supporters point to occasional tweets and comments critical of
> Israel (most of them actually critical of Netanyahu).  The best of them
> came during the Great March of Return in 2018[2]:  “Israel needs to stop
> using live ammunition in its response to unarmed protesters in Gaza.  It
> has resulted in over 50 dead and thousands seriously wounded.”
> 
> They also cite Gabbard’s anti-war sensibility, though Gabbard likes to 
> reify the logic of imperialism, as when she mocks neocon “chicken hawks”
> or informs[3] Donald Trump that “being Saudi Arabia’s bitch is not
> ‘America First.’”  Gabbard doesn’t resemble a liberal dove so much as a
> Cold War realist.
> 
> Gabbard’s career reveals a pro-Israel history.  At what point is it 
> appropriate to overlook that history, which has adversely impacted an 
> entire nation?  Conventional wisdom tells us that she’s changed and so 
> we should celebrate her current iteration.  This approach undersells the
> past and devalues the present.
> 
> Despite her rebranding, Gabbard did give a speech[4], alongside Ted 
> Cruz, Rick Santorum, and Mike Huckabee, at a Christians United for 
> Israel conference.  She did tell CNN amid Israel’s brutalization of
> Gaza that Palestinians are “seeking to exploit the sense of morality
> that Israel has” by using children as human shields because they lack
> “care for loss of life of women and children, innocent civilians[5].”
> She did sponsor pro-Israel[6] legislation[7] in the government of the
> Zionist colony’s patron (to the tune of billions in economic aid and
> weapons). She did accept an award[8] from Sheldon Adelson’s errand boy
> Rabbi Boteach.  She did support[9] RIMPAC[10], the ecologically
> destructive rim of the Pacific military exercises, which recently added
> Israel[11] to the lineup.  All of these things happened within the past
> five years.
> 
> A few passable comments don’t make up for sending Israel the weapons it
> uses to maim and murder Palestinian civilians.  She has a long way to 
> go on that count, if absolution is possible in the first place.
> 
> Gabbard hasn’t even started the journey.  What, concretely, has she done
> to support Palestinian liberation?  In no context but US electoralism do
> we consider sporadic criticism of Netanyahu adequate, or verbal
> commitment to a two-state solution progressive.  We hold athletes and
> musicians to a higher standard.  Gabbard’s presidential goals don’t 
> justify caution; they illuminate the structural limits of her ambition.
> 
> The plain fact is that Gabbard has acted on her sympathy for Israel.
> She hasn’t lifted a finger to help Palestinians:  no organizing in 
> pro-Palestine spaces, no support for right of return, no mention of 
> ethnic cleansing, no empathy for refugee camps, no recognition of 1948 
> and its aftermath.  She hasn’t even disavowed her prior support for 
> Israel.
> 
> When asked about Israel’s human rights record in a series of questions 
> curated by the New York Times, Gabbard, visibly nervous, stammered 
> through a half-sentence about “some challenges with Israel” before going
> silent[12].  The interviewer prodded her to elaborate; Gabbard added a 
> few keywords that almost managed to comprise a platitude.  It wasn’t the
> performance of somebody inclined to courage.
> 
> Here’s Gabbard speaking about Saudi Arabia[13]:  “Saudi Arabia continues
> to spend billions of dollars funding the spread of the Wahhabi Salafist
> ideology that fuels groups like ISIS, al-Qaeda and other jihadist 
> groups around the world.  The US must stop arming Saudi Arabia, stop 
> fueling this fire and hold Saudi Arabia accountable for their actions.” 
> In contrast, she never condemns US funding of Israel, never suggests 
> cessation of arms sales to Israel, never demands accountability from 
> Israel, never deplores the global dimensions of Israeli policy, and 
> never implicates Zionism as Israel’s core ideology.
> 
> Finally, as Palestinians, do we not have an obligation to honor 
> similarly colonized communities, namely our Kanaka sisters and brothers
> who have patiently explained that from their vantage point Gabbard is 
> bad news?  Or the Kashmiris who dread what an emboldened Gabbard would 
> mean for their national aspirations?  By acting as if Gabbard’s apparent
> transition from devoted Zionist to halting peacenik is sufficient, we
> relinquish the internationalist practices that enliven decolonial
> possibilities.
[1] https://twitter.com/stevesalaita/status/1144713088693952512
[2] https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/996154499898077185
[3] https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1065289231977738240
[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxXcUNct18Q
[5] https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1144729769453469697
[6] 
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-resolution/23/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22h.res.23%22%5D%7D&r=1
[7] 
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-resolution/729/cosponsors
[8] 
https://forward.com/news/israel/417510/tulsi-gabbard-zig-zags-on-israel-from-adelson-embrace-to-questions-on-gaza/
[9] 
https://www.thegardenisland.com/2018/07/28/hawaii-news/gabbard-campaigns-on-kauai/?fbclid=IwAR0Ft9feqQSu-kI7NUS_8vy3ZTQucmZFFuLIIlC39rd6Zqy5bvP41Gb4UyU
[10] 
https://www.dvidshub.net/image/4572860/hawaii-staff-delegates-visit-mcbh?fbclid=IwAR0pVu1u5kqPxFVbNrYNVsz5_RjyZ5GFp_ba2IFUsGPQt58SNYSJ2Ov1sdM
[11] 
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israel-to-join-largest-international-maritime-exercise-for-first-time-559033
[12] 
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/israel-human-rights-democratic-candidates.html
[13] 
https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Democratic-presidential-contender-Gabbard-supports-and-criticizes-Israel-577149



Elizabeth Warren on war, the "Green New Deal", and being her view of being 
"effective"

Danny Haiphong's article for Black Agenda Report 
https://www.blackagendareport.com/elizabeth-warren-wants-green-bombs-not-green-new-deal 
includes:

> Elizabeth Warren has been receiving more attention from the Democratic 
> Party establishment of late. Warren has attempted to make up for her 
> woeful confrontation with Trump around her proclaimed indigenous 
> identity by releasing a flurry of policy proposals on issues such as 
> maternal mortality and student loan forgiveness. While Elizabeth Warren 
> has voiced “strong support” for the Green New Deal, she recently
> tweeted a strange proposal that deviates from its principles. In
> mid-May, Warren announced that she would be introducing the Defense
> Climate Resiliency and Readiness Act to help the military become more
> “energy efficient.” As she stated on Twitter, “Climate change is real,
> it’s worsening by the day, and it’s undermining our military readiness.
> More and more, accomplishing the mission depends on our ability to
> continue operations in the face of floods, drought, wildfires,
> desertification, and extreme cold.”
> 
> Elizabeth Warren believes that strengthening the “effectiveness” of the 
> U.S. military is consistent with the Green New Deal. Her bill doesn’t 
> demand that the U.S. military be reduced in size or scale.Nor does it 
> mention that the U.S. military is the world’s largest polluter and user 
> of oil and fossil fuels. Instead of turning the Green New Deal into 
> concrete policy, Warren has placed her attention on renovating the one 
> thousand U.S. military bases that exist domestically and abroad. The 
> so-called “policy wonk” of the 2020 elections appears to be more 
> concerned with creating “green” bombs than a “green economy.”
> 
> The U.S. drops a bomb on another nation every twelve minutes. It is no 
> wonder that U.S. military, which serves as the armed body of the state 
> responsible for protecting the interests of Wall Street, fossil fuel 
> corporations, military contractors, and monopolies of all kinds, is 
> treated as a trophy by all sections of the U.S. political class. The 
> U.S. military embodies American exceptionalism claiming to spread 
> democracy and freedom to lands near and far. Holidays such as Memorial 
> Day and Veterans Day are designed to remind Americans of all races and 
> classes that the U.S. is exceptional because of its large military 
> footprint. Instead of seeing this footprint as bombs, sanctions, or 
> deadly raids, Democrat and Republican politicians alike believe that
> the U.S. military permanently signifies American greatness.
> 
> The U.S. military state has no real opponents in the 2020 election. For 
> the last four years, Bernie Sanders has been considered by millions as 
> the most left-wing politician in two-party duopoly. Since Sanders 
> entered the mainstream, Black Agenda Report has warned its readers that 
> the self-styled “democratic socialist” is an imperialist pig, which is 
> evidenced by his history of supporting the U.S. drone program, the 
> invasion of Afghanistan, and the U.S.-backed overthrow of Syrian 
> president Bashar Al-Assad, to name just a few instances. Still, Sanders 
> finds himself attacked by the Democrats for being too progressive on
> the issue of war and peace. Neocon and MSNBC darling William Kristol,
> leader of the #NeverSanders movement in the ruling class, has gone so
> far as to challenge Sanders to a debate on foreign policy for the sole
> purpose of shaming the Vermont Senator for voting against the invasion
> of Iraq, protesting U.S. support for the contras in Central America in
> the 1980s, and opposing the U.S. war in Vietnam.
> 
> Warren is decidedly to the right of Bernie Sanders on the issue of war 
> and peace. Warren supports U.S. sanctions against Venezuela. Sanctions 
> are estimated to have killed over 40,000 Venezuelans between the years 
> of 2017 to 2018 alone. When Trump agreed to negotiate directly with Kim 
> Jong-un in Singapore, Warren called for a more aggressive posture
> toward the DPRK. The Massachusetts Senator proclaimed that Israel
> possessed the “right to defend itself” during its invasion of Gaza in
> 2014. Israel’s Operation Protective Edge killed thousands of
> Palestinians, including hundreds of children. Warren prides herself in
> fighting for a kinder capitalism but has no problem with a nasty,
> murderous imperialism.
> 
> Warren’s proposal for a greener military only adds to her hawkish 
> record. In the proposal, she admits that hundreds of billions of
> dollars in contracts are given to private corporations such as Raytheon
> and Lockheed Martin to conduct war abroad. The admission is just a fact
> of life for Warren rather than a problem to be resolved. In fact,
> Warren wants to strengthen the U.S. military’s efficiency so it can
> continue to wreak havoc on the planet. She pretends not to know that
> strengthening the U.S. military is wholly incompatible with a Green New
> Deal, which would require a massive redistribution of resources from the
> military toward the needs of poor and working-class communities around
> the world.



South Asia: Potable water is quickly becoming scarce and portends a "water 
apocalypse" as Asia Times puts it.

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/indias-water-crisis-bengaluru-delhi-chennai-hyderabad-among-21-cities-to-run-out-of-groundwater-by-2020-4590221.html

> New Delhi: India is facing the worst water crisis in its history, and 21
> Indian cities will run out of groundwater by 2020, a new report from the
> NITI Aayog – a government think tank – said, highlighting the need for
> “urgent and improved” management of water resources.
> 
> With nearly 600 million Indians facing high-to-extreme water stress –
> where more than 40 percent of the annually available surface water is
> used every year – and about 200,000 people dying every year due to
> inadequate access to safe water, the situation is likely to worsen as
> the demand for water will exceed the supply by 2050, said the ‘Composite
> Water Management Index’ (CWMI) report , released on 14 June.
> 
> While Indian cities are grappling for water supply, the Aayog has called
> for “immediate action” as growing scarcity will also hit India’s food
> security.
> 
> States need to start managing their groundwater and their agriculture
> water, said the (CWMI) report – India’s first comprehensive collection
> of nationwide water data.


https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/07/article/india-staring-at-a-water-apocalypse/

> A combination of climate change, bad policies and political apathy is
> steadily pushing India into a catastrophic water crisis that threatens
> stability in South Asia.
> 
> Recent studies document that glaciers feeding the Indian subcontinent’s
> rivers will recede rapidly, while rapid ground water depletion poses an
> existential challenge to agriculture.
> 
> The southwest monsoons remain the biggest source of water in the
> subcontinent. The monsoons lead to a combination of water sources
> supporting human habitats that includes glaciers, surface irrigation and
> ground water. But redundancy and surplus have gone missing from this
> once abundant system. Taking their place are galloping shortages.
> 
> Even the best-case scenarios are “scary,” water researcher Aditi
> Mukherjee told Asia Times.
> 
> Mukherjee is one of the editors of a landmark study that was published
> earlier this year. It predicts a terrible loss of the glaciers that dot
> the Hindu Kush-Himalaya region. “The Hindu Kush Himalaya Assessment”
> says that even if urgent global action on climate change is able to
> limit global warning to 1.5 degrees centigrade, it will still lead to a
> loss of a third of the glaciers in the region by the year 2100.
> 
> If the temperatures rise by 2.7 degrees centigrade, then half the
> glaciers will be gone. And if the current rate of global warming
> continues and temperatures rise by 6 degrees centigrade, then two-thirds
> of the glaciers will melt away.
> 
> This has major implications for India, China, Pakistan, Nepal and
> Bangladesh. While the nearly 250 million who live in the Hindu
> Kush-Himalaya region will be most impacted from the outset, another 1.65
> billion people who depend on the glacier-fed rivers are primarily at
> risk.
> 
> “Even if we look at the best case scenario, which means limiting global
> warming by 1.5C, we are looking at a 36% loss of glaciers,” said
> Mukherjee, whose fellow  editors of this seminal study are Phillipus
> Wester, Arabinda Mishra and Arun Bhakta Shreshtha. The four work at the
> Integrated Centre for Integrated Mountain Development (ICIMOD), based in
> Kathmandu, Nepal.
> 
> “We have also looked at the impact on water flows, and the Indus river
> will be the worst affected. The other two major rivers, the Ganga and
> the Brahmaputra, will have a limited impact since they are largely
> rain-fed,” she said. According to her, achieving a global target for
> reducing carbon emissions is nearly impossible. As a result, the loss of
> the glaciers is imminent and irreversible.
> 
> While the ICIMOD study used climate change data and thousands of
> reports, another study using spy satellite imagery confirms that the
> loss to the glaciers has already arrived at an alarming stage. The
> study, published in the journal Sciences Advance, says that the region
> is losing 8.3 billion tons of ice every year. The average annual loss of
> ice between 2000 and 2016 doubled due to climate change. “Himalayan
> glaciers supply meltwater to densely populated catchments in South
> Asia,” the study notes, painting a grim picture of the region’s ability
> to sustain habitats.



Injustice : "81% of 'suspects' flagged by Met's police facial recognition 
technology innocent, independent report says"

https://news.sky.com/story/met-polices-facial-recognition-tech-has-81-error-rate-independent-report-says-11755941

> Researchers found that the controversial system is 81% inaccurate -
> meaning that, in the vast majority of cases, it flagged up faces to
> police when they were not on a wanted list.
> 
> The force maintains its technology only makes a mistake in one in 1,000
> cases - but it uses a different measurement to arrive at this
> conclusion.
> 
> The report, exclusively revealed by Sky News and The Guardian, raises
> "significant concerns" about Scotland Yard's use of the technology, and
> calls for the facial recognition programme to be halted.
> 
> Citing a range of technical, operational and legal issues, the report
> concludes that it is "highly possible" the Met's usage of the system
> would be found unlawful if challenged in court.

[...]

> It is known they handle tens of billions of pounds each year,
> legitimately or otherwise, and that London covers around a fifth of the
> UK market.
> 
> Some of the laundered money is airlifted out to Dubai in the United Arab
> Emirates.

What's interesting about this case: HSBC was caught laundering money in 
2003, 2010, 2012, and 2015. HSBC was investigated by the US Senate (and 
cooperated with this investigation), but that apparently didn't stop a 
massive organized money laundering operation from continuing:

 From Wikipedia 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsbc#Money_laundering_(2003,_2010,_2012_and_2015)
> The identified problems included a once massive backlog of over 17,000 
> alerts identifying suspicious activity, failure to file timely 
> suspicious activity reports with U.S. law enforcement, failure to 
> conduct any due diligence to assess risks to HSBC affiliates before 
> opening correspondent accounts for them, a three-year failure by [HSBC's
> USA bank] from mid-2006 to mid-2009 to conduct any Anti-Money Laundering
> of $15 billion in bulk cash transactions from those same HSBC
> affiliates, failure to monitor $60 trillion in annual wire transfers by
> customers in countries rated lower risk by [HSBC's USA bank], and
> inadequate and unqualified Anti-Money Laundering staffing, resources, 
> and leadership.

From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 04:08:04 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 23:08:04 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Q: What is the Fourth of July About? A: Slavery.
Message-ID: <C683DAFB-3CC7-401A-ACE9-BDF7C60B1989@gmail.com>

On the Fourth of July we should recall that the American War of Independence (1775-83) was caused by the fear on the part of the economic elite of the British colonies in North America that British law (notably 'Somerset's Case,' 1772) and commercial rivalry would bring to an end the 'peculiar institution' (slavery) on which their prosperity, North and South, depended.

The first American wounded in the first battle (Lexington Green, 19 April 1775) was probably Prince Estabrook, an armed member of the Lexington militia, a black man owned by the Estabrook family. (He survived and was a member of Washington's army throughout the war, despite Washington's effort to remove blacks from the Continental army.)

Although the Americans began the war to defend slavery, it was not a war about 'white supremacy': it was about how labor was to be exploited.

"Probably a majority of American historians think of slavery in the United States as primarily a system of race relations — as though the chief business of slavery were the production of white supremacy rather than the production of cotton, sugar, rice and tobacco. One historian has gone so far as to call slavery ‘the ultimate segregator’. He does not ask why Europeans seeking the ‘ultimate’ method of segregating Africans would go to the trouble and expense of transporting them across the ocean for that purpose, when they could have achieved the same end so much more simply by leaving the Africans in Africa.

"No one dreams of analyzing the struggle of the English against the Irish as a problem in race relations, even though the rationale that the English developed for suppressing the ‘barbarous’ Irish later served nearly word for word as a rationale for suppressing Africans and indigenous American Indians. Nor does anyone dream of analyzing serfdom in Russia as primarily a problem of race relations, even though the Russian nobility invented fictions of their innate, natural superiority over the serfs as preposterous as any devised by American racists.”

--Barbara Jeanne Fields, "Slavery, Race and Ideology in the United States of America," NLR I/181, May-June 1990

See also "How Race Is Conjured: The fiction of race hides the real source of racism and inequity in America today," by Barbara J. Fields & Karen E. Fields, Jacobin 6.29.15

###

From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Jul  5 22:45:33 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 17:45:33 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] NfN #427 notes
Message-ID: <bf1fdff3-62f8-91a2-ff83-17d80397a94a@forestfield.org>

News from Neptune #427
A "Fourth of July: A Celebration of Slavery" edition
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvgbejEYxSc

A list of links to references mentioned on the show.

Barbara Jeanne Fields's "Slavery, Race and Ideology in the United States of 
America" quoted in this Seth Ackerman Jacobin article
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/07/hillary-clinton-democatic-primary-sanders-netroots/

Related:
http://www.marxmail.org/quotes/barbara_jeanne_fields.htm
https://newleftreview.org/issues/I181/articles/barbara-jeanne-fields-slavery-race-and-ideology-in-the-united-states-of-america 
-- New Left Review's issue 181 (subscription required) is the source of the 
quote in the Jacobin article.
https://shetterly.blogspot.com/2015/08/barbara-j-fields-brilliant-observation.html
Gerald Horne:
- interviewed on Democracy Now on 2014-06-27 about "The Counter-revolution 
of 1776"
https://www.democracynow.org/2014/6/27/counter_revolution_of_1776_was_us
https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/1776-counter-revolution-us-origins/
- book: "The Counter-Revolution of 1776"
EPub format: 
https://libcom.org/files/The%20Counter-Revolution%20of%201776_%20-%20Horne,%20Gerald.epub
Mobi format: 
https://libcom.org/files/The%20Counter-Revolution%20of%201776_%20-%20Horne,%20Gerald_0.mobi
- book: "Race to Revolution: The U.S. and Cuba during Slavery and Jim Crow"
ISBN-10: 1583674454
ISBN-13: 978-1583674451


Bacon's Rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon%27s_Rebellion

David Harvey interview in Jacobin
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/07/david-harvey-neoliberalism-capitalism-labor-crisis-resistance/

"A Brief History of Neoliberalism" by David Harvey
ISBN-13: 978-0199283279
ISBN-10: 0199283273



News-Gazette editorial "Green pastures for Emanuel"
https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/editorial-green-pastures-for-emanuel/article_7af25589-34cf-589f-8b87-011764d6a063.html

Christopher Rugaber on "Why wealth gap has grown despite record-long 
economic growth"
https://www.apnews.com/df1ca4016d27405791c10eb5772c06a4/gallery/9378268361a94c50ae7c475605fbf236
https://nypost.com/2019/07/01/why-the-wealth-gap-has-grown-despite-record-economic-growth/

Federal Reserve System
https://www.federalreserve.gov/

Distributional Financial Accounts
https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/efa/efa-distributional-financial-accounts.htm



Paul Street on "How to Properly Criticize RussiaGate"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/02/how-to-properly-criticize-russiagate-2/

C.J. Polychroniou interviews Noam Chomsky for Truthout
https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-trump-is-consolidating-far-right-power-globally/

Louis Proyect's commentary on Chomsky's interview
https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism/2019-July/290444.html

Redacted Tonight VIP (Lee Camp) interview of John Kiriakou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrVWeA2QmWk



Roger Harris on "Why the US Puppet President of Venezuela is Toast"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/05/why-the-us-puppet-president-of-venezuela-is-toast/

Lucas Koerner & Ricardo Vaz's articles on fair.org
https://fair.org/home/nyt-parrots-us-propaganda-on-hezbollah-in-venezuela/
https://fair.org/home/theres-far-more-diversity-in-venezuelas-muzzled-media-than-in-us-corporate-press/
https://fair.org/home/pathological-deceit-the-nyt-inverts-reality-on-venezuelas-cuban-doctors/

Lucas Koerner on "This is Hell!"
Recent interview: https://thisishell-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/mp3/20190629A.mp3
Show RSS feed: https://thisishell.com/rss.xml

Anatoly Kurmanaev on "Venezuela’s Collapse Is the Worst Outside of War in 
Decades, Economists Say"
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/17/world/americas/venezuela-economy.html

Anatoly Kurmanaev on "Venezuelan Navy Captain Accused of Rebellion Dies 
After Signs of Torture"
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/29/world/americas/venezuela-torture.html

Nick Cumming-Bruce on "Venezuela Forces Killed Thousands, Then Covered It 
Up, U.N. Says"
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/04/world/americas/venezuela-police-abuses.html



Local congressional candidate discussion
Wednesday 7PM Caffé Paradiso
801 S Lincoln Ave
Urbana, IL 61801
Phone: (217) 384-6066
Caffé Paradiso website: http://www.enjoyparadiso.com/
Caffé Paradiso store information: 
https://www.yelp.com/biz/caffe-paradiso-urbana



Issues with Rep. Tulsi Gabbard's (D-HI) politics
https://digitalcitizen.info/2019/02/13/is-tulsi-gabbard-really-anti-war-no-shes-pro-drone-and-for-surgical-strikes/ 
-- J.B. Nicholson's take on her pro-war views
https://stevesalaita.com/tulsi-gabbard-and-the-art-of-the-half-sentence/ -- 
Steve Salaita's critique of her views on Palestine
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/05/roaming-charges-when-the-band-plays-hail-to-the-chief-they-point-the-tank-at-you-lord/
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06/28/roaming-charges-crash-test-dummy-politics/ 
-- Jeffrey St. Clair's notes on Tulsi Gabbard



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From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 16:49:27 2019
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 11:49:27 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] demonstration at 2pm, or no?
Message-ID: <74c85a5d-7557-1c69-6bc2-befc5d260831@gmail.com>

Hello peaceable people,

Is anyone thinking to take part in an AWARE demonstration at 2pm today?

I'd be happy to say that our July 4th participation covered that, but if
others are inclined to, I could be there and bring some signs.



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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 16:51:50 2019
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 11:51:50 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] demonstration at 2pm, or no?
In-Reply-To: <74c85a5d-7557-1c69-6bc2-befc5d260831@gmail.com>
References: <74c85a5d-7557-1c69-6bc2-befc5d260831@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyH9OWMHw3gwb7dwEDGp3gsU026ffSt70nRJ6Rvze_ybxw@mail.gmail.com>

I can go either way, but I'm happy to take the day off, even though I also
took Thursday off.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 11:50 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Hello peaceable people,
>
> Is anyone thinking to take part in an AWARE demonstration at 2pm today?
>
> I'd be happy to say that our July 4th participation covered that, but if
> others are inclined to, I could be there and bring some signs.
>
>
>
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Sat Jul  6 17:22:26 2019
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 12:22:26 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] demonstration at 2pm, or no?
In-Reply-To: <74c85a5d-7557-1c69-6bc2-befc5d260831@gmail.com>
References: <74c85a5d-7557-1c69-6bc2-befc5d260831@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35ED9D07-F75A-4BF3-8BD2-D53CC653784E@newsfromneptune.com>

Doug will probably be there, with his flag, so I’ll attend, if the rain stays away…


> On Jul 6, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello peaceable people,
> 
> Is anyone thinking to take part in an AWARE demonstration at 2pm today?
> 
> I'd be happy to say that our July 4th participation covered that, but if others are inclined to, I could be there and bring some signs.
> 
> 
> 
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From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 17:48:02 2019
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 12:48:02 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] demonstration at 2pm, or no?
In-Reply-To: <35ED9D07-F75A-4BF3-8BD2-D53CC653784E@newsfromneptune.com>
References: <74c85a5d-7557-1c69-6bc2-befc5d260831@gmail.com>
 <35ED9D07-F75A-4BF3-8BD2-D53CC653784E@newsfromneptune.com>
Message-ID: <778fc3ab-bcea-d644-e9f0-0f40f3c62544@gmail.com>

OK then, let's do something against the wars, 2-4pm.   Current forecast
calls for warm (high 80s) and muggy but dry.

I'll gather together a subset of the signs. ...


On 7/6/19 12:22 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> Doug will probably be there, with his flag, so I’ll attend, if the rain stays away…
>
>
>> On Jul 6, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hello peaceable people,
>>
>> Is anyone thinking to take part in an AWARE demonstration at 2pm today?
>>
>> I'd be happy to say that our July 4th participation covered that, but if others are inclined to, I could be there and bring some signs.
>>
>>
>>
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From james.manrique at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 17:50:00 2019
From: james.manrique at gmail.com (James M)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 12:50:00 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace]  demonstration at 2pm, or no?
In-Reply-To: <778fc3ab-bcea-d644-e9f0-0f40f3c62544@gmail.com>
References: <74c85a5d-7557-1c69-6bc2-befc5d260831@gmail.com>
 <35ED9D07-F75A-4BF3-8BD2-D53CC653784E@newsfromneptune.com>
 <778fc3ab-bcea-d644-e9f0-0f40f3c62544@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADB8ByfaD29yHZ5O=fcLsnaBZZfV3EXO9Hq+f=zQYPhL1bVfvQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'll try to make a showing as well.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 12:48 PM Stuart Levy via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> OK then, let's do something against the wars, 2-4pm.   Current forecast
> calls for warm (high 80s) and muggy but dry.
>
> I'll gather together a subset of the signs. ...
>
>
> On 7/6/19 12:22 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
> Doug will probably be there, with his flag, so I’ll attend, if the rain stays away…
>
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> Hello peaceable people,
>
> Is anyone thinking to take part in an AWARE demonstration at 2pm today?
>
> I'd be happy to say that our July 4th participation covered that, but if others are inclined to, I could be there and bring some signs.
>
>
>
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 17:50:44 2019
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 12:50:44 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] N-G on Urbana vs. IMC
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CITY CODE

Rules for IMC follow ordinance

By ADALBERTO TOLEDO

atoledo at news-gazette.com

URBANA — Following a heated discussion Monday night regarding the
imposition of rules that Urbana-Champaign Independent Media Center
officials said would threaten the center’s ability to remain open, Urbana
City administrator Carol Mitten said she’s simply following the city’s code.

Mitten explained Tuesday that when the city sent a memo in March to IMC, it
was clear that new rules would apply at the venue after police found
alcohol there following an event where it wasn’t supposed to be
allowed. Those rules mean that hosts of future events there would need to
apply

for a permit 45 days in advance, pay a $100 processing fee and submit a
security plan.

Mitten said the ordinance was violated, so IMC is essentially “on
probation.”

That was the first place

(continued)


------------------------------

RULES

Continued from B-*1*

“where we got off on the wrong foot,” Mitten said, because IMC thought the
new rules applied only to events with alcohol, and not all events.

Still, officials with IMC say the “probationary” requirements are an
onerous ask for a largely volunteer-based organization that books free
events catering to underrepresented communities.

“That’s my word, not anything in the ordinance,” Mitten said of the word
“probation.” “We’ve never invoked it on anyone before, so we’re figuring it
out at the same time they are. And what we’re discovering is that the
volume of events they have is taxing them, and it’s taxing us.”

Mitten wants the city to come to an “amicable agreement” with IMC as soon
as possible because, should the volume of applications continue, the amount
of processing time for them would be “quite a lot” to handle for city staff
already stretched thin.

She said she’s interested in coming up “with a streamlined process on both
sides,” but added that the provision invoked on them, which followed their
March violation, is a “requirement” under the city code.

“I regret that we’re having what appears to be a high level of animosity,
because we don’t feel that way toward the IMC,” Mitten said. “But there’s
no provision in the ordinance that allows us to waive these requirements.
So we’re trying to work within the ordinance as we have it right now and
spending a lot of staff time trying to accommodate as best we can. We’ll be
putting forward some revisions that will help on both sides.”

People who do frequent bookings, for example, could potentially be
considered with a single application, a single fee and a standard security
plan, so they don’t have to apply each time, Mitten said. She added that
maybe the city could also shorten the number of days in advance, though
“not significantly, because we still do have some internal work to be done.”

One big sticking point is having “an accountable individual on-site,”
Mitten said. “It’s hard for us not to expect that because we need a point
of contact available in real time.”

It’s clear though that the current situation can’t continue for the city or
IMC. Mitten said that in just the past 24 hours, the amount of time that
has been spent on this matter is “quite substantial,” with staff having to
process special-event permits.

Mitten also apologized for the issue “becoming so contentious,” and said
she’ll continue to meet with IMC officials to resolve the issue.

She added that the city probably won’t have the ordinance recommendations
ready for the regularly scheduled meeting next Monday, because Mayor Diane
Marlin will be out of town, but she expects modifications to come to the
city council dais in the near future.

When asked why she couldn’t just ignore the ordinance and place a hold on
probationary requirements until the issue is resolved, Mitten said she
wouldn’t want to put herself, or her staff, in that position.

“I don’t want them in the position of having to say to the council that at
some points what we do is we selectively ignore your ordinances when we
feel it’s suitable,” Mitten said. “That’s not what we do here.”
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  6 18:11:45 2019
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:11:45 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] demonstration at 2pm, or no?
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I will be there, though not sure how long I can be there.


> On Jul 6, 2019, at 09:49, Stuart Levy via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello peaceable people,
> 
> Is anyone thinking to take part in an AWARE demonstration at 2pm today?
> 
> I'd be happy to say that our July 4th participation covered that, but if others are inclined to, I could be there and bring some signs.
> 
> 
> 
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 18:43:42 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C. G. Estabrook )
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 13:43:42 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: In honor of St. Thomas More
References: <1911501239.21013786.1562421711977@email.blitzdigitalgroup.com>
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More wrote one of the best political satires, still very much worth reading - “Utopia.” (The Penguin pb is the best translation from More’s Latin.)

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> Date: July 6, 2019 at 9:01:51 AM CDT
> To: "cgestabrook at gmail.com" <cgestabrook at gmail.com>
> Subject: In honor of St. Thomas More
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> 
> Dear C.,
> 
> Today we remember our namesake, St. Thomas More – the patron saint of attorneys, statesmen, politicians, adopted children and religious liberty – who was martyred on July 6, 1535.
> 
> As you may know, Sir Thomas More was an English lawyer who served as chancellor of England from 1529-1533 under King Henry VIII. The King was obsessed with finding a male heir to his throne, and he sought the approval of Sir Thomas for his self-appointment to be the head of the Church of England so he could divorce his wife for a younger woman.
> 
> Of course, Sir Thomas could not support this – so he refused to sign the Act of Succession and resigned his post. For this, he was jailed, tried and sentenced to death. His final words were, “I am the King’s good servant – but God’s first.”
> 
> Sir Thomas More was canonized and proclaimed a saint in 1935.
> 
> Perhaps you’ve heard Sir Thomas’s famous quote: “When statesmen forsake their own private consciences for the sake of their public duties, they lead their country by short route to chaos.”
> 
> C., these words couldn’t be truer right now, as we’re faced with horrific new abortion laws across the country, the institution of the family is attacked mercilessly, and Christians are belittled and discriminated against for their faith.
> 
> Today, I hope you’ll join me in celebrating the life of a man who so fittingly models peaceful stalwart adherence to principles for all pro-life activists and those called to defend them.
> 
> Here is a special prayer to inspire you.
> 
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  7 00:47:58 2019
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 00:47:58 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The ISO and others
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[Socialism Conference 2019 anti-imperialists]
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DSA/Jacobin/Haymarket-sponsored ‘Socialism’ conference features US gov-funded regime-change activists
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The 2019 Socialism Conference, sponsored by American leftist juggernauts the DSA, Jacobin magazine, and ISO’s Haymarket Books, features regime-change activists from multiple US government-funded NGOs.
By Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal
________________________________

Socialism is now apparently brought to you by the US State Department.

From July 4 to 7, thousands of left-wing activists from across the United States are gathering in Chicago for the 2019 Socialism Conference<http://archive.fo/GbmTo>.

At this event, some of the most powerful institutions on the American socialist — but avowedly anti-communist — left have brought together a motley crew of regime-change activists to demonize Official Enemies of Washington.

One anti-China panel at the conference features speakers from two different organizations that are both bankrolled by the US government’s soft-power arm the National Endowment for Democracy (NED)<https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/20/inside-americas-meddling-machine-the-us-funded-group-that-interferes-in-elections-around-the-globe/>, a group founded out of Ronald Reagan’s CIA in the 1980s to grease the wheels of right-wing regime-change efforts and promote “free markets” across the planet.

Another 2019 Socialism Conference panel rails against the socialist governments of Nicaragua and Cuba — two-thirds of John Bolton’s “troika of tyranny” — with outspoken proponents of regime change. One of the speakers, Dan La Botz, hosted an event in 2018 that featured right-wing Nicaraguan activists<https://thegrayzone.com/2018/06/19/ned-nicaragua-protests-us-government/> wearing masks and disguised as students, who were junketed to meet with Republican lawmakers in Washington by the US government-funded right-wing organization Freedom House.

The Socialism Conference’s regime-change lobbying “Nicaragua expert” La Botz has admitted in leaked emails obtained by The Grayzone that “there is virtually no left among the opposition” to Nicaragua’s democratically elected socialist government.

La Botz, a leader within Democratic Socialists of America, likewise acknowledged in these emails that there is “little likelihood of an outcome to the rebellion that goes beyond a more democratic capitalist regime.” But he has still vociferously lobbied for Nicaragua’s Sandinista government to be overthrown by US government-backed insurgents — and is using his platform at the biggest socialist conference in the United States to do it.

Merging of largest US socialist organizations

The 2019 Socialism Conference is advertised under the catchy slogan: “No borders, no bosses, no binaries.”

Each ticket comes in at a neat $105 per person (or a $250 “solidarity rate,” for the hardcore supporters) — and this doesn’t include the rate for the rooms at the hotel where it’s held.

For years, the Socialism Conference functioned as a platform for the International Socialist Organization (ISO), a small group steeped in the tradition of sectarian American Trotskyite politics, which pushed a hardline anti-communism and attacked virtually all socialist governments in history as “not truly socialist.”

Founded in 1977 after a long line of sectarian splits, the ISO never became a significant political force. It was mostly relegated to recruiting young impressionable students on liberal arts college campuses.

As an avowedly anti-communist organization, the ISO eschewed symbols long associated with the communist left, like hammers and sickles and red flags. Instead, it chose a clenched fist — one eerily similar to the symbol used by the US government-funded Serbian activist group Otpor<https://thegrayzone.com/2019/03/11/us-regime-change-blueprint-proposed-venezuelan-electricity-blackouts-as-watershed-event-for-galvanizing-public-unrest/> and similar offshoots in Eastern Europe, which carried out Washington-backed neoliberal “color revolutions” in the years following the collapse of the Soviet Union and the restoration of capitalism.

[ISO Otpor fist symbols]

The ISO claimed to be anti-war, but its leaders spent a disproportionate percentage of their time and resources attacking the anti-imperialist left. They could more accurately be referred to as the anti-anti-imperialist left.

This March, the ISO voted to dissolve<http://socialistworker.org/2019/04/02/the-isos-vote-to-dissolve-and-what-comes-next> — in a decision some former members joked was the most democratic act ever undertaken by the organization, which had been dominated by an unelected leadership of veteran Trotskyite activists.

The dissolution was prompted by evidence that the ISO’s steering committee mishandled sexual assault allegations. It also came as the ISO’s membership was shrinking and rapidly being absorbed by a newly burgeoning anti-communist organization, the Democratic Socialists of America, or DSA.

Now that the ISO has dissolved, some of its past prominent members have entered the ranks of the DSA, burrowing from within to inject their anti-anti-imperialist politics into the group.

Because Trotskyites are so sectarian and notoriously incapable of holding together organizations, they are infamous for infiltrating larger, more popular groups and trying to take them over, in a tactic known as entryism.

This is precisely the strategy being used by former members of the ISO — and by another tiny US Trotskyite organization, Solidarity<https://solidarity-us.org/>, which was led by anti-Nicaragua regime-change activist and Socialism Conference speaker Dan La Botz, now a leader in DSA.

Democratic Socialists of America is the largest self-described socialist organization in the United States, with more than 60,000 card-carrying members. It is also very heterogeneous, with many internal contradictions and conflicting political views.

In 2019, for the first time, the organizers of the Socialism Conference — including many holdovers from the ISO leadership — joined together with two new sponsors: DSA, and the closely DSA-allied Jacobin magazine, another platform for anti-communist and anti-anti-imperialist politics.

At the bottom of the Socialism conference website<https://socialismconference.org/>, a note reads, “Brought to you by Haymarket, Jacobin, and the Democratic Socialists of America.” Haymarket is the book publishing arm of the now defunct ISO, and its editorial board features some of the group’s former leaders.

[Socialism 2019 sponsors Haymarket Jacobin DSA]

Top speakers at the conference include Democracy Now host Amy Goodman, Jacobin magazine founder and editor Bhaskar Sunkara, and journalist Naomi Klein, the inaugural Gloria Steinem Endowed Chair in Media, Culture and Feminist Studies<https://comminfo.rutgers.edu/about/gloria-steinem-endowed-chair-media-culture-and-feminist-studies> at Rutgers University. Klein was chosen to head the final plenary, titled “Care and Repair<http://archive.fo/ZqZ0j>: The Revolutionary, Democratic Power of a Global Green New Deal.”

The 2019 Socialism Conference, like its annual predecessors, combines calls for radical economic democratic transformation and progressive social progress with the demonization of independent foreign governments that are targeted by the US government for regime change, such as Nicaragua, Cuba, Syria, Iran, China, and Russia.

The schedule of panels<http://archive.fo/Oobbj> on foreign policy and international issues features a veritable who’s who of leftist regime-change activists.

Curiously, the 2019 Socialism Conference has no panels devoted specifically to Venezuela<https://thegrayzone.com/category/venezuela/>, which since this January has endured a US-led right-wing coup attempt, and which is suffering under suffocating sanctions that amount to a de facto economic blockade. In the past, the ISO has harshly criticized Venezuela’s democratically elected socialist government, condemning Presidents Hugo Chávez and Nicolás Maduro for not being radical enough and for not supposedly implementing the vague concept of “socialism from below.”

In this way, the 2019 Socialism Conference also stands out as a sign of the effective political merging of what had previously been two distinct political trends: the Cliffite Trotskyites of the International Socialist Organization and the anti-communist social democrats of the Democratic Socialists of America.

Anti-China ‘workers’ rights’ groups funded by anti-labor US government

One of the most eyebrow-raising panels at the 2019 Socialism Conference is entitled “China and the US<http://archive.fo/JJaB2>: Inter-Imperial Rivalry or Class Struggle and Solidarity?” The panel portrays the US and China as equally malicious imperialist powers, downplaying and whitewashing the uniquely destructive nature of Washington’s foreign wars and corporate domination.

The panel features three speakers, two of whom work for anti-China groups that are funded by the US government’s regime-change arm, the National Endowment for Democracy. The third speaker is Ashley Smith, a former leader of the ISO who has spent the past eight years romanticizing foreign-backed, far-right sectarian Islamist “moderate rebels<https://moderaterebels.com/syria-cia-al-qaeda-episode-2-show-notes/>” in Syria.

[Socialism 2019 China US inter-imperial rivalry panel]

The first speaker listed on the panel is Elaine Lu<http://archive.fo/tU0aU>, the program officer at China Labor Watch. This group is described by the Socialism conference website simply as “a New York-based NGO advocating for workers’ rights in China.”

What Socialism Conference sponsors DSA, Jacobin, and Haymarket did not disclose is that its speaker’s employer is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy.

The NED states without qualification that its goals include supporting “free markets” abroad. At the top of the about page on its website is a video of right-wing cold warrior Ronald Reagan inaugurating the US government-funded body.

[NED Ronald Reagan free markets]

The National Endowment for Democracy’s 990 tax forms<https://archive.org/details/NED990> show how Washington’s regime-change arm has bankrolled China Labor Watch for years. Substantial NED funding goes back to at least 2009<https://archive.org/stream/NED990/NED_Form990_2010#page/n27/mode/2up>.

According to the NED’s 2015 form 990<https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2016/521/344/2016-521344831-0e541065-9.pdf>, China Labor Watch received a $150,000 grant that year. On the NED’s 2013<http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/521/521344831/521344831_201409_990.pdf> tax form, it lists another $110,000 grant<https://thegrayzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/China-Labor-Watch-NED-funding-2013.png> for China Labor Watch.

[China Labor Watch NED funding 2015]

In 2014<https://archive.org/stream/NED990/NED_Form990_2015#page/n285/mode/2up>, China Labor Watch got $150,000 from the NED<https://thegrayzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/China-Labor-Watch-NED-funding-2014.png>. According to the group’s annual report that year<http://chinalaborwatch.org/2014%20CLW%20Annual%20Report%20-%20EN%20---FINAL.pdf>, its total revenues for all of 2014 was $238,003, meaning 63 percent, or nearly two-thirds of its funding came from the US government.

China Labor Watch’s other major donor is the Tides Foundation, a liberal organization that also happened to be one of the main financial sponsor’s of the ISO’s parent non-profit. In 2014, Tides gave $40,645<https://www.tides.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Tides-Foundation-2014-Federal-990-Pub-Disc-Copy.pdf> to China Labor Watch, another 17 percent of its budget that year.

Joining Elaine Lu as the other main speaker on the Socialism Conference’s anti-China panel is Kevin Lin<http://archive.fo/GJFnA>, who coordinates the China program at the Washington, DC-based NGO the International Labor Rights Forum.

The Socialism Conference once again failed to mention that this group is also bankrolled by the National Endowment for Democracy.

[International Labor Rights Forum NED funding 2016]

According to the NED’s 2016 form 990<https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2017/521/344/2017-521344831-0fb44a26-9.pdf>, the US government’s regime-change arm gave the International Labor Rights Forum $150,000 that year alone.

The International Labor Rights Forum likewise received $96,590<https://thegrayzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/International-Labor-Rights-Forum-NED-funding-2015.png> from the NED in 2015, and $62,500<https://archive.org/stream/NED990/NED_Form990_2015#page/n299/mode/2up> in 2014.

The Socialism Conference also identified Kevin Lin as a co-editor of the Made in China journal<https://madeinchinajournal.com/>, which focuses on labor rights. A disclaimer<https://madeinchinajournal.com/about-us/> at the bottom of the publication’s swanky website notes that it is funded by the European Union’s Horizon 2020<https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/en/what-horizon-2020>, a neoliberal business program which the European Commission describes as “the financial instrument implementing the Innovation Union, a Europe 2020 flagship initiative aimed at securing Europe’s global competitiveness.”

[Made in China funding European Union]

These are the financiers behind the speakers that the Socialism Conference and its sponsors the DSA, Jacobin, and Haymarket brought together to explain why China is a malevolent imperialist power.

Some of these groups may seem progressive, but they operate in effect as vehicles for US government soft power, exploiting the cause of human rights or labor rights to undermine and destabilize foreign governments that Washington has targeted for regime change.

China Labor Watch and the International Labor Rights Forum are far from the only ostensibly progressive anti-China groups funded by the US government.

Other China-related NED grantees include “human rights” organizations like the Network of Chinese Human Rights Defenders<https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/>, Human Rights in China<https://www.hrichina.org/en>, China Aid<https://www.chinaaid.org/>, China Change<https://chinachange.org/about/>, and China Rights in Action<https://www.tides.org/project/china-rights-in-action-inc/> (another Tides grantee), along with the New York-based Chinese Feminist Collective<https://thegrayzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Chinese-Feminist-Collective-NED-funding.png> and news websites like China Digital Times<https://chinadigitaltimes.net/>.

China Labour Bulletin, which maintains a map of strikes<https://maps.clb.org.hk/strikes/en> going on across the gigantic country, is likewise frequently cited by left-wing websites in the US. While its slogan is “Supporting the Workers’ Movement in China,” China Labour Bulletin<https://clb.org.hk/> (CLB) is actually based in Hong Kong, and it is funded by the US government.

CLB notes on its website that it “receives grants from a wide range of government<https://clb.org.hk/content/aboutus#aboutus-4> or quasi-government bodies, trade unions and private foundations, all of which are based outside of China.” For decades, CLB’s founder and executive director Han Dongfang broadcasted anti-China programming on Radio Free Asia<https://www.nytimes.com/1977/12/26/archives/worldwide-propaganda-network-built-by-the-cia-a-worldwide-network.html>, a US government-funded propaganda outlet that was founded by the CIA to push anti-communist disinformation. Han’s work is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, and he was a leader of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests.

The ISO’s newspaper Socialist Worker has praised Han Dongfang<https://socialistworker.org/2010/07/27/a-giant-stirs-in-china> as a leftist hero, without ever disclosing his extensive links to the US government’s regime-change machinery. Socialist Worker has repeatedly<https://socialistworker.org/blog/critical-reading/2010/06/03/class-struggle-china?quicktabs_sw-recent-articles=6-20> drawn on the work<https://socialistworker.org/2015/07/21/bubbles-bounces-and-busts-in-china> of China Labour Bulletin, over more than a decade<http://socialistworker.org/2004-2/524/524_05_China.php>. The ISO’s journal the International Socialist Review<https://isreview.org/issue/95/chinas-changing-working-class> has also relied on the US government-funded organization’s research, and Jacobin magazine has noted CLB’s “roots<https://www.jacobinmag.com/2010/09/weekly-sisyphus-1> go back to the Tiananmen Square protests.”

Human Rights Watch, another key part of the regime-change lobby, has lionized Han, happily noting that his show on the US government’s Radio Free Asia “is one of the network’s most popular programs<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/campaigns/china/scholars/t15/handongfang.htm>.”

China is just one of the countries where the US government’s soft-power arm funds such putative progressive groups. The NED likewise funds many liberal anti-Cuba organizations, such as the Foundation for Human Rights in Cuba, Center for a Free Cuba, the Cuban Institute for the Freedom of Expression and Press, and the news website CubaNet<https://www.cubanet.org/>. Or there are NED-funded groups pushing regime change against Syria and Iran, like the Damascus Center for Human Rights Studies<http://dchrs.org/> and Human Rights Activists in Iran<http://www.hra-iran.org/en/>.

While the United States has one of the lowest rates of unionization<https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/06/20/which-countries-have-the-highest-levels-of-labor-union-membership-infographic/#a10495e33c04> in the industrialized world, a bloody history of worker repression and anti-labor laws, and historically weak unions among those that still do exist, its regime-change arm the NED has funded workers’ rights groups to promote a progressive image of America abroad.

For decades, for instance, the NED has bankrolled the international Solidarity Center of the major union federation the AFL-CIO. The center receives tens of millions of dollars from the US government’s regime-change arm annually, and returns the favor by avoiding topics that would anger the US State Department and bite the hand that feeds it.

Throughout the Cold War, the AFL-CIO remained a reliably anti-communist union that received funding from US government agencies, including the CIA, in order to combat and ultimately try to eliminate communist influence in the American labor movement. It was a textbook example of a controlled opposition.

This is not to say that NED-funded groups cannot at times have a positive impact on the lives of average people and intellectuals operating in repressive environments. But their work is always part of a larger agenda, with ulterior imperial motives guiding them along the way. A controlled opposition can make some changes, but it always remains controlled.

‘Socialist’ lobbying for US-backed right-wing coup in Nicaragua

Another noteworthy 2019 Socialism Conference panel, called “Problems of the US Left: The Cases of Cuba and Nicaragua<http://archive.fo/W7f9W>,” is led by Dan La Botz and Samuel Farber, veteran Trotskyite activists and outspoken proponents of regime change in the two respective countries.

The speakers’ problem with the US left appears to be that it has demonstrated too much solidarity with socialist governments in Havana and Managua, which, in their view from inside the United States, “rely more on bureaucracy than democracy.”

Farber is a Cuban exile who left the country for unspecified reasons in 1958<https://havanatimes.org/features/cuba-since-1959-a-critical-assessment/> – a year before its revolution – and spent the rest of his life as a professional critic of its socialist government. Today, he contributes regular attacks on the Cuban Revolution to journals from Jacobin<https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/04/cuba-1968-fidel-castro-revolution-repression> to New Politics<https://newpol.org/alternative-cuba/> to In These Times, where he published a trenchant denunciation<http://inthesetimes.com/article/19672/fidel-castro-1926-2016-death-history-communist-party> of Fidel Castro upon his death in 2016.

Farber accuses Castro of developing a model of “state capitalism,” wielding a term Trotskyite ideologues routinely fling at any revolutionary government that is insufficiently pure. He calls for<https://havanatimes.org/features/cuba-since-1959-a-critical-assessment/> “a revolutionary democratic alternative… through socialist resistance from below.”

The concept of regime change “from below” is also central to the rhetoric of exile groups like the People’s MEK<https://thegrayzone.com/2019/06/27/us-officials-iranian-cult-mek-regime-change/>, a US- and Saudi-backed cult of personality that calls for toppling Iran’s government through “indigenous regime change.”

Dan La Botz, for his part, has risen to prominence as a full-time opponent of another member of the Trump administration’s “troika of tyranny”: the socialist government of Nicaragua, and the Sandinista movement that it represents.

La Botz has published an anti-Sandinista manifesto with ISO publisher Haymarket Books, which is advertised<https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/1121-what-went-wrong-the-nicaraguan-revolution> as a survey of “the failures of the Nicaraguan Revolution, by one of the most important Marxist-historians of Latin America.”

In June 2018, as a US-backed, violent regime-change attempt surged across Nicaragua<https://thegrayzone.com/2018/07/30/how-washington-and-soft-power-ngos-manipulated-nicaraguas-death-toll-to-drive-regime-change-and-sanctions/>, threatening the rule of democratically elected President Daniel Ortega, La Botz attempted to mobilize left-wing US support for the anti-Sandinista opposition. That month, he joined an anti-Sandinista event<https://www.facebook.com/SionSaintPeters/videos/1891011874264117/> — co-sponsored by DSA’s New York branch, Haymarket, the academic journal NACLA, and the Marxist Education Project — at Saint Peter’s Church in New York City, to drum up local support for the coup.

The event featured speeches by several Nicaraguan anti-Sandinista activists who were involved in the regime-change attempt, including self-described students who wore masks on stage, concealing their identities from the audience.

[Dan La Botz Nicaragua coup event masks]

The Grayzone has obtained internal DSA email reports authored by La Botz which revealed that, days after the event at Saint Peter’s Church, those same students met with right-wing Republican legislators on Capitol Hill, including neoconservative Senators Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen.

The students beamed with pride, appearing without masks in photo ops with the avowedly anti-socialist members of Congress. Their trip was financed by Freedom House<https://thegrayzone.com/2018/06/19/ned-nicaragua-protests-us-government/>, a right-wing soft-power organization that is funded almost entirely by the US government.

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The students’ US-backed delegation included Victor Cuadras, a fanatical right-wing activist who openly supported<https://twitter.com/AndinoCuadras/status/1110620957368999938>Donald Trump’s agenda for Latin America and blamed the governments of Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua for the caravan of desperate asylum seekers on the US-Mexico border.

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On June 15, 2018, Dan La Botz sent an email report to DSA leadership, reflecting on the event. He acknowledged that “the Nicaraguans both on the panel and in the public had virtually no political analysis and no vision or program for the future of their country.”

Then in a follow-up email report sent to DSA leadership on July 24, La Botz defended the students’ collaboration with neoconservative politicians like Rubio and Cruz.

“The students, ages 21 to 24 or so, who spoke on our panel then went off to speak with Republican legislators, guided by a rightwing foundation,” he wrote. “While, of course, we do not think that this is a good strategy, this is perfectly understandable given that the Republicans are in power and have the ability to do something about Nicaragua.”

While marketing the anti-Sandinista activists as grassroots youth deserving of left-wing solidarity, La Botz admitted in his internal DSA report, “Nicaraguan opponents of the regime in the United States hold a wide variety of political views, though there is virtually no left among the opposition here that I am aware of.”

And while publicly framing the regime-change operation in Nicaragua as a progressive uprising, La Botz privately conceded, “There is, however, little likelihood of an outcome to the rebellion that goes beyond a more democratic capitalist regime.”

[Dan La Botz Nicaragua email]An excerpt from an email report on Nicaragua to DSA leadership, written by Dan La Botz

As The Grayzone reported in 2018, the US government’s regime-change arm the National Endowment for Democracy boasted of spending millions on anti-Sandinista civil society and media outfits “to lay the groundwork for insurrection”<https://thegrayzone.com/2018/06/19/ned-nicaragua-protests-us-government/>in the years and months ahead of the coup.

While the coup attempt in Nicaragua was portrayed as a peaceful people’s uprising by figures like La Botz, it was in fact a violent putsch that saw armed elements erect roadblocks across the country, holding up<https://thegrayzone.com/2018/07/30/how-washington-and-soft-power-ngos-manipulated-nicaraguas-death-toll-to-drive-regime-change-and-sanctions/> ambulances, torturing<https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1021930885279571968>, brutalizing<https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1020930881656061952>, kidnapping, and murdering<https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1040110998085152768> supporters of the Sandinistas.

Anti-Sandinista insurgents dragged an unarmed, on-leave police officer to death from a truck and then burnt his corpse<https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=c3ap2Hgn4P0> at a roadblock. They raped a 10-year-old girl<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ArNPlM6zMo> at a roadblock and burnt the homes<https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1025546351516499968> of local Sandinista legislators. They occupied and ransacked a public university campus<https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1020910512429821954>, wrecked a women’s health center<https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1020916732859469824>, and torched a daycare center<https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1020910512429821954>.

The armed opposition wreaked this havoc while attacking police stations<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnRSNIznjzU> with mortars and gunfire, during a national dialogue in which the police were ordered to remain in their barracks. In the end, Nicaragua’s opposition caused the deaths of over 60 innocent people<https://thegrayzone.com/2018/07/30/how-washington-and-soft-power-ngos-manipulated-nicaraguas-death-toll-to-drive-regime-change-and-sanctions/>, while grinding the country’s previously productive economy to a halt.

Once the coup was extinguished, the US Congress passed the Nica Act without debate<https://thegrayzone.com/2018/12/14/congress-sanctions-nicaragua-nica-act/>, imposing harsh sanctions on Nicaragua’s economy that emulated those already leveled against Venezuela and Iran.

On January 9, Dan La Botz appeared at a meeting of the New York City DSA Anti-War Working Group to amp up the attack on Nicaragua’s socialist government. There, he was challenged by Gunar Olsen<https://thegrayzone.com/author/gunar-olsen/>, a contributor to The Grayzone, about the event he organized last year with masked right-wing Nicaraguan students sponsored by Freedom House.

La Botz claimed that the event had originally been planned as a discussion of his book, but that “somebody said, these students were coming through. And I said, that sounds great.”

He continued: “My view is, they came from their country because someone gave em some money, and they can come to the United States and they wanted to talk to somebody who might be able to help their country… It may have been though that there were some conservative political forces working with them and the Republicans, it may have been that there was some of those four students that was more hip than the others but it wasn’t my impression.”

La Botz concluded by telling Olsen and the DSA crowd, “I don’t feel at all bad, I don’t think it was a terrible thing. I think they were four young people coming to this country that wanted to speak there. We didn’t know they were going there, we didn’t know where they were heading, I didn’t know they were gonna speak there. Would I do it again? If I knew what was going to happen I’d probably say, let’s see if we can find some other students.”

However, in his private email assessment of the event to DSA leadership, La Botz had defended the students’ subsequent meetings with right-wing Republicans as “perfectly understandable.”

In his internal DSA report, La Botz went on to characterize those in the US left that opposed the coup in Nicaragua as “foreign leftists” who are “backers of Putin, Assad, Iran, Hamas, and now Ortega.”

La Botz did not respond to several attempts to reach him by phone.

‘Revolutionary socialists’ funded by the non-profit industrial complex

The force behind the annual Socialism Conference, the International Socialist Organization marketed itself as a radical, even revolutionary movement supporting “socialism from below.” But it was deeply embedded in the non-profit industrial complex.

The ISO operated legally through its parent non-profit organization the Center for Economic Research and Social Change<https://cersc.org/>. A tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization, CERSC received huge grants from the Tides Foundation.

The Tides Foundation is well known for funding progressive groups, but only as long as they do not rock the boat too much.

A Canadian environmental activist who has participated in projects funded by Tides told The Grayzone that the foundation funded a trip to the 2011 United Nations Climate Change Conference in Durban, South Africa, but eventually pulled funding for their environmental group’s excursion to the 2012 UN conference in Doha, Qatar, because the foundation was afraid the activists would carry out peaceful forms of civil disobedience.

“They funded some people — those who wouldn’t rock the boat because they didn’t want people engaging in civil disobedience,” the Canadian environmental activist told The Grayzone.

Another activist published a “whistleblower’s open letter to Canadians<https://www.scribd.com/document/79228736/Whistleblower-s-Open-Letter-to-Canadians>” explaining that the Tides Foundation, which funded many environmentalists in the country, was “too afraid of reprisals from the government to act,” after the office of right-wing Prime Minister Stephen Harper threatened to challenge the foundation’s charitable status.

Why a milquetoast liberal foundation would fund the ISO, a supposedly revolutionary socialist organization, raises serious questions about that group’s agenda.

In fact, while the Tides Foundation was serving as one of the biggest financiers of the ISO, it was also funding Democratic Party-aligned organizations and even pro-Israel groups like J Street and the New Israel Fund, which actively campaign against the Palestinian call for BDS (Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions against Israel) and support the preservation of a settler-colonialist ethnically exclusivist state.

Haymarket Books, blending important literature with regime change propaganda

While the ISO was marginal during its existence, it punched above its weight through front organizations and prominent members who worked in the mainstream media and academia.

The ISO’s publishing arm, Haymarket Books, has been especially influential. Haymarket describes itself as a “radical, independent, nonprofit book publisher based in Chicago,” which had been the base for the ISO.

Haymarket has indeed published many important books on pressing issues. However, it has supplemented these works with anti-anti-imperialist screeds that echo the US State Department’s rhetoric, but framed as “from the left.”

Among Haymarket’s most aggressively marketed releases of 2018 was “The Impossible Revolution,” a collection of essays by the Syrian exiled writer Yassin al-Haj Saleh, who now lives in Turkey and functions as a lodestar to self-styled left-wing supporters of regime change in Syria.

Al-Haj Saleh’s book was blurbed by Charles Lister<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJuMbIXk7iQ>, a former functionary of the UK’s Conservative Party who became a top lobbyist for arming Salafi-jihadist insurgents in Syria at the Gulf monarchy-funded<https://theintercept.com/2017/08/09/gulf-government-gave-secret-20-million-gift-to-d-c-think-tank/> Middle East Institute in Washington, DC.

State Department cables exposed by WikiLeaks indicate that Yassin al-Haj Saleh was a US government informant<https://search.wikileaks.org/?q=yassin+haj+saleh> in regular correspondence with American officials in Damascus. One such memo, dated April 24, 2006<https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS1848_a.html>, features advice by al-Haj Saleh apparently delivered to US officials in the country to use Islamism as a weapon against the government of Bashar al-Assad.

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Haymarket has also recently published “Indefensible,” a book-length denunciation<https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/14/hens-d14.html> of the anti-imperialist left by the writer Rohini Hensman.

The manifesto features ham-fisted attacks on journalists Julian Assange<https://thegrayzone.com/2019/05/24/trump-charges-assange-press-freedoms-media-obama/>, John Pilger, and Seymour Hersh, along with unqualified support for virtually every US and NATO military intervention in the past 30 years, as well as the dirty war on Syria<https://thegrayzone.com/category/syria/> and the Maidan coup in Ukraine.

Anand Gopal<https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/10/17/inte-o17.html>, a journalist who routinely appears at ISO events while serving as a fellow<https://www.newamerica.org/our-people/anand-gopal/> at the State Department and corporate-funded<https://www.newamerica.org/our-funding/> New America Foundation, praised<https://www.roamagency.com/isbn9781608469116/> Hensman’s book as a guide to “how to be a principled internationalist in the era of imperialism.”

More recently, Hensman took to the DSA’s official website<https://www.dsausa.org/democratic-left/the-enemys-enemy-is-not-your-friend/> to attack The Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal, Seymour Hersh, and Robert Fisk as “neo-Stalinists” engaged in a “convergence” with neo-Nazis. No evidence was provided to support the extreme claim.

Ashley Smith<http://archive.fo/3e0KR>, an ideologue of the now-defunct ISO, says he is currently writing another anti-anti-imperialist book for Haymarket entitled “Socialism and Anti-Imperialism.”

Tiny, irrelevant Trotskyite groups, from South to North America

Trotskyite groups are notorious throughout the world for their extreme sectarian tendencies. The organizations rarely last long, frequently splintering into tiny groupuscules over political disagreements.

Unsurprisingly, then, the so-called “left” opposition in Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Cuba — which is celebrated by Trotskyite groups like the ISO — is in fact infinitesimal and insignificant.

Nils McCune, a socialist and environmental activist who has lived in Nicaragua for years, explained in an interview on our podcast Moderate Rebels<https://soundcloud.com/moderaterebels/nicaragua-right-wing-us-coup-managua-episode-22> that one of these parties, the Movement for the Renovation of Sandinismo (MRS) is a tiny group that is irrelevant<https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/15/how-nicaraguas-left-wing-opposition-mrs-are-ngo-opportunists-lobbying-the-west-for-regime-change/> in the country. Unable to mobilize popular support, this “left” opposition can only lobby the US government for regime change.

As Blumenthal, a co-author of this article, revealed in MintPress News<https://www.mintpressnews.com/how-an-american-anthropologist-tied-to-us-regime-change-proxies-became-the-msms-man-in-nicaragua/249868/>, the MRS has received direct support from the US government in its campaign to prevent the election of Daniel Ortega as president, and lobbied for sanctions against Nicaragua after he was elected.

Similarly, in Venezuela the ostensible left opposition has offered “critical support” to Washington’s regime change efforts.

This February, a leader of the marginal Venezuelan Trotskyite group Marea Socialista held a friendly meeting with Juan Guaidó<https://orinocotribune.com/critic-chavismo-met-with-guaido>, the US-appointed right-wing coup leader.

On February 5, Guaidó tweeted a photo of a meeting with Marea Socialista’s Nicmer Evans.

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Jesus Rodriguez Espinoza, a Chavista who lives in Venezuela and is editor of the independent news website, the Orinoco Tribune<https://orinocotribune.com/>, told The Grayzone when we reported in the country in February that Marea Socialista is “tiny” and has “no power.” He was genuinely surprised at how much coverage<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6d7SR1GwBg> these minuscule groups have received in the US progressive media, because inside Venezuela they have negligible influence.

Yet the Trotskyite organization has constantly been given a platform<https://socialistworker.org/2019/02/06/socialists-and-the-fight-for-democracy-in-venezuela> by the ISO’s newspaper Socialist Worker (Marea Socialista even enjoys its own tag on the website<https://socialistworker.org/author/marea-socialista>). Jacobin Magazine, the self-declared “leading voice of the American left,” has also given a huge platform<https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/04/chavez-maduro-venezuela-mud-psuv> to Marea Socialista operatives to push for what they call a “Chavismo from below” — despite the fact that the Trotskyite group is virtually unknown to average Venezuelans, including to millions of poor and working-class Chavistas.

Also featured in the February 5 photo of the meeting with US-backed coup leader Juan Guaidó was the anti-Maduro liberal intellectual Edgardo Lander<https://www.tni.org/en/profile/edgardo-lander>, who is popular in anti-communist left-wing circles in the US but almost unknown inside Venezuela. Like Marea Socialista, Lander has enjoyed very positive coverage in the progressive Anglo press.

Democracy Now<https://www.democracynow.org/2019/5/2/a_debate_on_maduro_two_venezuelans>, which has advanced regime-change propaganda<https://thegrayzone.com/2019/06/14/syrian-network-for-human-rights-opposition-snhr/> on Syria<https://thegrayzone.com/2019/06/19/commission-for-international-justice-and-accountability-cija-syria-al-qaeda/> on repeated occasions, offered its platform to Lander this May. Hosts Amy Goodman and Nermeen Sheikh lobbed softball questions at the intellectual, and failed to disclose that he met with Guaidó.

In his Democracy Now segment, Lander admitted that his outfit is a “small collective,” whereas the Chavista movement he criticizes is massively popular in working-class barrios across the country.

The International Socialist Organization has played a similar role in the US, with little visibility outside the left and almost no grassroots base.

Now that the ISO has disbanded, its veterans can reach into the rapidly growing ideologically diffuse world of Democratic Socialists of America, using platforms like Socialism 2019 to infect DSA’s youthful core with the imperial politics of regime change – but always “from the left,” and always “from below.”

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By Max Blumenthal

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Part 1: Counter-revolution and anti-Semitism
Paul Hanebrink’s A Specter Haunting Europe: The Myth of Judeo-Bolshevism
By Clara Weiss
8 July 2019

Paul Hanebrink: A Specter Haunting Europe. The Myth of Judeo-Bolshevism, Harvard University Press 2018. (Unless otherwise indicated, all quotes are from this book.) The second part of this review will be posted tomorrow.

The new book by historian Paul Hanebrink (Rutgers University) focuses on examining the relationship between the fear of the “specter of communism” haunting Europe, to which Marx and Engels famously alluded in their Communist Manifesto of 1847, and of anti-Semitism.

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For much of the book, Hanebrink analyzes the role that the Judeo-Bolshevik myth played in the ideology and crimes of the European far-right in the first half of the 20th century, culminating in the Nazi-led genocide of 6 million European Jews during the Second World War.

His account begins with the revolution in Bavaria, southern Germany, in 1918-19. He details how the Catholic Church, international politicians such as Winston Churchill, as well as the fledgling Nazi movement in Germany, countered the Russian Revolution of 1917 and the German Revolution of 1918-1919 and—in particular, the short-lived Bavarian Soviet Republic—with an outburst of anti-Semitism.

Bishop Eugenio Pacelli, who was stationed in Munich during the revolution, described the Bavarian revolutionaries as “…a gang of young women, of dubious appearance, Jewish like all the rest of them.” Max Levien—who was, in fact, not Jewish—was, to Pacelli, “a young man, of about thirty or thirty-five, also Russian and a Jew. Pale, dirty, with drugged eyes, hoarse voice, vulgar and repulsive, with a face that is both intelligent and sly.” Some 15 years later, he would sign a concordat with Hitler as Pope Pious XII.

[https://www.wsws.org/asset/ca43e4ac-04d5-49ce-9b1e-fe5f6acfc24A/image.jpg?rendition=image480]The declaration of the Bavarian Soviet Republic in a Munich newspaper on 7 April 1919

These sentiments were shared by right-wing intellectuals and politicians throughout Europe, in response to the wave of revolutions that swept the continent after World War I. Jean and Jérôme Tharaud, two extreme right-wing French intellectuals, traveled to Hungary in the wake of the revolution led by Béla Kun in 1919. In their book “When Israel is king,” they wrote: “On the banks of the Danube a new Jerusalem arose, sprung from the mind of Karl Marx and built by Jewish hands on ancient [messianic] thoughts.” The bloody counter-revolution that followed claimed the lives of at least 3,000 people, roughly half of them of Jewish origin.

In far-right publications, leading figures of the revolutionary movement were “unmasked” as “Jews.” Leon Trotsky, who co-led the Russian Revolution alongside Vladimir Lenin, was typically referred to as “Bronstein,” a name he himself had long ceased to use, while the Polish revolutionary Karl Radek was referred to as Sobelsohn. In their deluded anti-Semitic frenzy, the far-right frequently designated as “Jews” a significant number of revolutionaries who were not Jewish at all, including Lenin, Karl Liebknecht, or the aforementioned Max Levien.” The terms “Asiatic” and “Jewish” Bolshevism would be used by these forces almost interchangeably. As Hanebrink explains, “The Bolshevik was at once a rootless migrant Jew, the sign of an invading horde from the East, and an Asiatic beast.’’

[https://www.wsws.org/asset/64449881-9e04-46d3-a430-116cd8ad17eL/image.jpg?rendition=image480]An anti-Semitic propaganda poster depicting Trotsky as a Jewish monster from 1919, the high point of the anti-Jewish pogroms by Whites and Ukrainian nationalists

During the Civil War of 1918-1922, launched by the invasion of 19 foreign armies against the fledgling Bolshevik regime, between 50,000 and 200,000 Jews were killed in Ukraine alone, mostly by counter-revolutionary White and Ukrainian nationalist forces. Polish armed forces too, who fought against the Red Army, committed anti-Jewish massacres, including the notorious pogrom of Pinsk, in which 35 Jews were murdered. Poland’s prime minister and foreign minister Ignacy Paderewski would justify this massacre by saying that it was a “matter of pure Bolshevism. We executed the people responsible for the crime, and they happened to be Jews.”

The Nazi movement in inter-war Germany emerged under the direct impact of these counter-revolutions. Both Germany and Austria became centers for the far-right, with nationalist emigres flocking to Vienna and Berlin, in particular, in the wake of the Bolshevik revolution in Russia and the revolution in Hungary. In their anti-Semitic propaganda, they continuously pointed to the “Jewish revolutionaries” in the Bavarian Soviet Republic, as well as in the Soviet Union.

Fused with the geostrategic goals and military and economic machinery of German imperialism, the myth of Judeo-Bolshevism became a central ideological basis for both the war against the Soviet Union—with between 27 and 40 million Soviet victims, the deadliest and most violent war in human history— and the genocide of European Jewry. It helped mobilize fascist regimes and far-right forces across Eastern Europe, including the governments of Romania and Hungary and the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B), in what the Nazis portrayed as an anti-Bolshevik and anti-Jewish crusade.

[https://www.wsws.org/asset/35628b97-e71b-4b8b-82ca-ef6fc17eb96K/image.jpg?rendition=image480]A Nazi-era anti-Semitic propaganda poster in Polish. It says: Death! To the Jewish-Bolshevik pestilence of murdering!

In Ukraine, the OUN-B committed horrific pogroms against the Jewish population—most infamously in Lviv. Romania, under the dictatorship of Ion Antonescu and his fascist Iron Guard, carried out the largest state-sponsored anti-Jewish massacres and pogroms outside of the Nazi-occupied countries. While the Polish far-right was itself targeted by the Nazis, Poland was turned into the main site of the industrial destruction of European Jewry by the Nazis, and saw several horrific pogroms perpetrated by nationalist forces and rural layers. Substantial sections of the Polish bourgeoisie and government-in-exile in London were viciously anti-Semitic. Hanebrink points out that the government-in-exile received reports which “dwelled at length on the problem of Jewish participation in the new Communist regime…[and] labeled Jews collectively as traitors.”

After the end of the war, the “Judeo-Bolshevik myth” in West Germany was adapted to the context of the Cold War. As Hanebrink explains, instead of “Jewish Bolshevism,” former Nazis who reentered the justice system, the media, the diplomatic corps, and the military in West Germany, only had to say “Asiatic Bolshevism” to appear respectable. “While changed political circumstances imposed serious professional consequences on those who openly called the Soviet enemy a Jewish power, the U.S.-led ‘crusade’ to defend Western civilization aligned easily with other aspects of Nazi anti-Soviet ideology.”

Hanebrink mentions the well-known case of Eberhart Taubert, the head and founder of the above-mentioned Nazi “Institute for the Study of the Jewish Question.” He was a close co-worker of Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, wrote the script of the notorious Nazi propaganda film “The Eternal Jew” and authored the law forcing Jews to wear the “yellow star.” After the war, he headed a CIA-funded anti-Communist organization, which “drew heavily on themes widely circulated during the Nazi era, including representations of ‘enemies of the people’ as animals or insects. ... After 1945, Taubert dropped all references to Judeo-Bolshevism, but he retained every other ideological and symbolic feature of his earlier work.” Taubert remained an influential figure in German politics until well into the 1970s, working as an advisor to the leading Bavarian politician and one-time Chancellor candidate, Franz-Josef Strauß.

[https://www.wsws.org/asset/ca5b66be-95f9-4298-b047-b67689cc60bO/image.jpg?rendition=image480]Eberhart Taubert

Hanebrink provides a wealth of empirical evidence to demonstrate the close relationship between anti-Semitism and counter-revolution in the first half of the twentieth century. However, despite this focus on the connection between anti-Semitism and anti-Communism, he deliberately eschews defining anti-Semitism as the ideology of counter-revolution. Instead, he insists on viewing anti-Semitism as a “cultural code” that takes different forms in different cultural and political contexts. For Hanebrink, Judeo-Bolshevism is but a specific, contemporary variation on earlier anti-Semitic tropes of the “Jewish conspiracy” and the “Jewish devil”.

While it is true that the latter tropes to some extent informed and were often associated with the myth of Judeo-Bolshevism, this understanding of modern political anti-Semitism ultimately strips it of its concrete historical and political content: Modern political anti-Semitism was, above all, a reaction and ideological crowbar against the socialist and Marxist workers’ movement.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 14:59:10 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace]
 the-economist-behind-the-one-percents-stealth-takeover-of-america
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Kindly unsubscribe the lady above, at her request, from the peace list.


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I have tried numerous times to unsubscribe from this mailing list but I just keep getting your messages.  PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE unsubscribe me from this list

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On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 9:51 AM David Johnson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
Excellent article Carl !

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From brussel at illinois.edu  Tue Jul  9 02:02:32 2019
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 02:02:32 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: debates
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Perhaps some will be interested in this discussion, even those dubious about the value of the “debates”. I think it would be informative to expose candidates views on foreign policy, and especially, as you can see from the discussion below, how Tulsi enters into the discussion.

—mkb

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Subject: Re: debates
Date: July 8, 2019 at 8:44:23 PM CDT
To: Mark Stansbery <walk at igc.org<mailto:walk at igc.org>>
Cc: medea benjamin <medea.benjamin at gmail.com<mailto:medea.benjamin at gmail.com>>, Gar Smith <gar.smith at earthlink.net<mailto:gar.smith at earthlink.net>>, "<wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com<mailto:wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com>>" <wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com<mailto:wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com>>, "Brussel,Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>>, Frank Lockwood <lockwoodnow at gmail.com<mailto:lockwoodnow at gmail.com>>, Sally McMillan <marugg51 at gmail.com<mailto:marugg51 at gmail.com>>

we gave him a petition for a climate debate
it alone didn't change anything but may have helped

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 9:43 PM Mark Stansbery <walk at igc.org<mailto:walk at igc.org>> wrote:
Who has an "in" with Tom Perez, DNC chair, from Maryland?

I am not a registered Democrat, so the donkeys will run who they want, true!??!

Peace, Mark D. Stansbery
Columbus, Ohio

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 9:40 PM medea benjamin <medea.benjamin at gmail.com<mailto:medea.benjamin at gmail.com>> wrote:
Lol. I agree. But don’t you think we should still push for a debate on these issues? M

On Jul 8, 2019, at 9:38 PM, David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com<mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com>> wrote:

IMHO the constant prioritization of veterans is what produces the schizophrenic wonder that is Tulsi Gabbard who can't open her mouth without both opposing a war and bragging about having eagerly participated in one of the worst wars ever. People are still mad at Biden for supposedly not knowing what a disaster the war on Iraq would be until it became clear to everyone . . . except apparently to Tulsi Gabbard.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:54 PM Medea Benjamin <medea.benjamin at gmail.com<mailto:medea.benjamin at gmail.com>> wrote:
That's a great idea gar but maybe not just the veterans. I love the idea of getting Tulsi on board. Do you want to draft a letter that we will use to get groups on board?

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:31 PM Gar Smith <gar.smith at earthlink.net<mailto:gar.smith at earthlink.net>> wrote:
Might make a difference if our pro-peace veterans groups issued a joint public demand for a presidential debate on foreign policy/war-and-peace.
Perhaps they/we could elicit calls for support from the two military vets in the race—Mayor Pete and Tulsi.
And the Green New Dealers, of course — plus coordinated calls to progressives Warren and Sanders.

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I think it is more accurate to say we are enthusiastic but lousy organizers. We don't know how to get the energy needed to make it possible. I'm all for it and happy to talk about how to push it. Medea

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 5:32 PM Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:
Specific debates on foreign policy is an important idea. So far it has been missing in the presidential debates. Why are the peace groups unenthusiastic, if they are, about this idea? Doesn’t seem logical. The implication is that the population is apathetic to issues regarding foreign policy, as vitally important as they are. .

On Jul 8, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Frank Lockwood <lockwoodnow at gmail.com<mailto:lockwoodnow at gmail.com>> wrote:

Plenty of interest on my part. I cannot travel long distances right away, but I put my two bits worth in whenever I can.  See world beyond wars of tri-cities, washington. https://worldbeyondwar.org/tricities/


On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:18 AM Sally McMillan <marugg51 at gmail.com<mailto:marugg51 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Sounds like there may be a debate on climate change.Because of lots of pressure on DNC.  We should also have a debate on foreign policy, but lack of interest from peace groups, it seems.  Let's get going for this. Very much needed.  In fact, debates on specific issues is much more useful than the free-for alls we had so far.  -Sally

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Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: debates
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FYI.  A very strong query and recommendation. The problem is whether the DNC will even come close to considering this request.

—mkb


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From: David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com<mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: debates
Date: July 9, 2019 at 8:24:59 AM CDT
To: medea benjamin <medea.benjamin at gmail.com<mailto:medea.benjamin at gmail.com>>
Cc: Gar Smith <gar.smith at earthlink.net<mailto:gar.smith at earthlink.net>>, "<wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com<mailto:wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com>>" <wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com<mailto:wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com>>, "Brussel,Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>>, Frank Lockwood <lockwoodnow at gmail.com<mailto:lockwoodnow at gmail.com>>, Sally McMillan <marugg51 at gmail.com<mailto:marugg51 at gmail.com>>

HERE'S A DRAFT:

Tell the DNC to Hold a War and Peace Debate
Sign this petition to the Democratic National Committee:

We write to you as U.S. residents who support holding a debate on climate and a separate debate on war and peace.

While the U.S. military is our single largest consumer of petroleum, and its activities are excluded from climate agreements, and its budget is a key potential source of funding for a serious effort to slow the damage of climate collapse, we can safely expect corporate media moderators to avoid any in-depth discussion of militarism during a climate debate or any other debate.

During the first pair of debates, some candidates were questioned very briefly on war and peace, others not at all. None were asked for any rough estimate of what federal discretionary spending should look like, whether the majority should go into militarism or not. None were asked about the impacts of militarism on U.S. society. None were asked for a full list of which wars they would end, or even how many wars they were aware of.

Why do scientists believe the risk of nuclear apocalypse is greater than ever, and what would you do about it? That is a critical question that has not been asked.

Economists at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst have documented<https://www.peri.umass.edu/publication/item/449-the-u-s-employment-effects-of-military-and-domestic-spending-priorities-2011-update> that military spending is an economic drain rather than a jobs program. Do we need a conversion to peaceful industries, and what would your plan look like? This question has not been asked.

Military spending is, by one calculation<https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/military-spending-2018>, now 68% of federal discretionary spending. A public policy debate that avoids mentioning its existence is not a public policy debate at all. Should military spending go up or down or remain unchanged? Are any of these things that could be funded with a small fraction of it higher priorities, and how would each candidate rank them: free public college, conversion to clean energy, ending starvation globally, building public transit, etc.?

Does militarism protect or endanger? Does it create or fend off refugees? Does it promote or reduce bigotry? Have we gained or lost freedoms during recent wars? These are basic questions that will not arise in the current debate format.

So are these: Would you end weapons sales and the provision of military training to any governments? Which ones? Would you close any foreign bases? Which ones? How many bases does the United States have? Would you halt or continue the practice of murder by missiles from drones? Would you sign and urge ratification of any human rights treaties? Which ones? These are questions that are not going to be tossed in between healthcare, abortion, and commercial breaks. We are not going to obtain a clear vision of what each candidate is likely to do on foreign policy unless we have a full debate on foreign policy.

We urge you to schedule one now.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 9:41 PM medea benjamin <medea.benjamin at gmail.com<mailto:medea.benjamin at gmail.com>> wrote:
I nominate you. Thanks, David.

On Jul 8, 2019, at 9:39 PM, David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com<mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com>> wrote:

happy to draft
happy for someone else to

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 9:36 PM medea benjamin <medea.benjamin at gmail.com<mailto:medea.benjamin at gmail.com>> wrote:
So who can draft the call for this? Medea

On Jul 8, 2019, at 9:32 PM, David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com<mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com>> wrote:

I can run anything by colleagues at RootsAction.org<http://rootsaction.org/> and/or World BEYOND War.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 9:16 PM Medea Benjamin <medea.benjamin at gmail.com<mailto:medea.benjamin at gmail.com>> wrote:
No. I’m sure roots action would be happy to do it with us. Probably not MoveOn, as they think their constituents are a lot more interested in domestic issues.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 7:12 PM Gar Smith <gar.smith at earthlink.net<mailto:gar.smith at earthlink.net>> wrote:
Another avenue: Has MoveOn or RootsAction launched any petitions for a presidential debate on foreign policy?


-----Original Message-----
From: Medea Benjamin
Sent: Jul 8, 2019 3:54 PM
To: Gar Smith
Cc: "" , "Brussel,Morton K" , Frank Lockwood , Sally McMillan
Subject: Re: debates

That's a great idea gar but maybe not just the veterans. I love the idea of getting Tulsi on board. Do you want to draft a letter that we will use to get groups on board?

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:31 PM Gar Smith <gar.smith at earthlink.net<mailto:gar.smith at earthlink.net>> wrote:
Might make a difference if our pro-peace veterans groups issued a joint public demand for a presidential debate on foreign policy/war-and-peace.
Perhaps they/we could elicit calls for support from the two military vets in the race—Mayor Pete and Tulsi.
And the Green New Dealers, of course — plus coordinated calls to progressives Warren and Sanders.

-----Original Message-----
From: Medea Benjamin
Sent: Jul 8, 2019 2:37 PM
To: "Brussel, Morton K"
Cc: "" , Frank Lockwood , Sally McMillan
Subject: Re: debates

I think it is more accurate to say we are enthusiastic but lousy organizers. We don't know how to get the energy needed to make it possible. I'm all for it and happy to talk about how to push it. Medea

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 5:32 PM Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:
Specific debates on foreign policy is an important idea. So far it has been missing in the presidential debates. Why are the peace groups unenthusiastic, if they are, about this idea? Doesn’t seem logical. The implication is that the population is apathetic to issues regarding foreign policy, as vitally important as they are. .

On Jul 8, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Frank Lockwood <lockwoodnow at gmail.com<mailto:lockwoodnow at gmail.com>> wrote:

Plenty of interest on my part. I cannot travel long distances right away, but I put my two bits worth in whenever I can.  See world beyond wars of tri-cities, washington. https://worldbeyondwar.org/tricities/


On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:18 AM Sally McMillan <marugg51 at gmail.com<mailto:marugg51 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Sounds like there may be a debate on climate change.Because of lots of pressure on DNC.  We should also have a debate on foreign policy, but lack of interest from peace groups, it seems.  Let's get going for this. Very much needed.  In fact, debates on specific issues is much more useful than the free-for alls we had so far.  -Sally

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 16:21:05 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:21:05 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] My friend Amy McGrath is going to beat Mitch
 McConnell.
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[Jeffrey St Clair]  Meet the new Democrats: ex-fighter pilots, spooks and MPs..."We aren't chickenhawks. We've actually killed and tortured people! It's our turn!!”

[Michael Donnelly] Assures McConnell will continue as Majority Leader and her sponsor Schumer as Minority. In McConnell's last election, Schumer came up with challenger Alison Grimes, whose sole attacks on McConnell were (1) he didn't like to shoot a gun as much as she did and (2) he didn't know a lot about the University of Kentucky basketball team.



> On Jul 9, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Tammy Duckworth <tammy at tammyduckworth.com> wrote:
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> I’m so excited to share this news, C. G.:
> 
> My friend Amy McGrath just announced her run for U.S. Senate in Kentucky.
> 
> Amy is hands down our best chance to beat Mitch McConnell in 2020. Split a $3 donation between our campaigns and together, we will help Amy get her campaign off to a strong start.
> 
> Amy is exactly the kind of badass I need by my side in Washington. She’s a Veteran, a pilot and a mom with young kids — no wonder we get along so well!
> 
> As Senator, I know Amy will work for our shared goals: Ensuring that all Americans — no matter how much money they make — have access to good healthcare. Supporting our servicemembers from the moment they put on their uniform to long after they transition into civilian life. And investing in working parents and our children’s education.
> 
> Like I said, Amy is our best chance to beat Mitch McConnell, but this is still going to be an incredibly tough campaign. Amy needs to start strong if she’s going to win. So I’m asking you:
> 
> Split a $3 donation here and be among the first to show your support for Amy McGrath’s campaign.
> 
> Amy knows more than most that we don’t need to choose between looking out for our troops overseas and caring for our families here at home. She will be an important ally in the Senate, so thank you for helping her campaign start strong.
> 
> Best,
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> Tammy Duckworth
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 17:04:26 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 12:04:26 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Why one can't vote for the Democrat party
Message-ID: <9D90C2C8-20F8-4FA5-B23D-CEBBA28C0936@gmail.com>

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/meet-the-retired-fighter-pilot-who-will-take-on-mitch-mcconnell-63521349663

[Jeffrey St Clair] Meet the new Democrats: ex-fighter pilots, spooks and MPs..."We aren't chickenhawks. We've actually killed and tortured people! It's our turn!!”

—CGE

From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 14:39:57 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:39:57 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Eight Catholic Workers detained at Buechel,
 Germany
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> From: Brian Terrel <brian at vcnv.org <mailto:brian at vcnv.org>>
> Date: Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 8:52 AM
> Subject: Eight Catholic Workers detained at Buechel, Germany
> To: <catholicworkerlist at gmail.com <mailto:catholicworkerlist at gmail.com>>
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>>> Eight members of the Catholic Worker movement detained while resisting US nuclear weapons at Buechel, Germany. Richard Bishop, Bitterroot Valley, Montana; Andrew Lanier, Jr., San Jose, California; Brian Terrell, Maloy, Iowa; Richard Barnard, London, UK; Margriet Bos and Susan van der Hijden, Amsterdam, Netherlands; Dietrich Gerstner and Birke Kleinwächter, Hamburg Germany
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>>> 10 JULY 2019 
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>>>  
>>> CONTACT: Jürgen Hossbach, GAAA, 0160-90811-593; Marion Küpker, 0172-771-3266; John LaForge, +49-151-7557-6696
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>>>  
>>> ACTIVISTS BRING “CEASE AND DESIST” ORDER TO NUCLEAR WEAPONS BASE
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>>> BUECHEL, Germany -- Eleven international peace activists entered the Büchel Air Base southwest of Frankfurt early this morning to deliver a self-named Treaty Enforcement Order declaring that the sharing of US nuclear weapons at the base is a “criminal conspiracy to commit war crimes.”
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>>> Upon entering the base’s main gate with a printed “cease and desist order,” insisted on seeing the base commander to deliver the order in person.
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>>>  
>>> “We refuse to be complicit in this crime,” said Brian Terrell of Voices for Creative Nonviolence in Chicago, Illinois. “We call for the nuclear bombs to be returned to the US immediately. The Germans want these nuclear weapons out of Germany, and so do we.”
>>> 
>>>  
>>> The group included people from Germany, The Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and the United States. All eleven were detained by military and civilian authorities and were released after providing identification. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> This is the third year in a row that a delegation of US peace activists has joined Europeans and others in protesting the US nuclear weapons at Büchel. The local group Nonviolent Action for Abolition of Nuclear Weapons (GAAA) convenes the International Action Week, demanding  permanent ouster of the US nuclear weapons, cancellation of plans to replace today’s B61s with new hydrogen bombs, and Germany’s ratification of the 2017 Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> “Delivery of the ‘Cease and Desist Order’ is an act of crime prevention,” said John LaForge, of the US peace group Nukewatch and coordinator of the US delegation. “The authorities think the entry is a matter of trespass. But these nuclear bomb threats violate the UN Charter, the Treaty on Nonproliferation of Nuclear Weapons, and the 2017 Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons.” he said, adding, “Interrupting government criminality is a duty of responsible citizenship.”
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Other activists detained included: Susan Crane, Ralph Hutchison, and Dennis DuVall, all from the United States
>>> 
>>> Susan van der Hijden of Amsterdam, who is just back from the US where she visited the Kansas City, Kansas site of a factory working on parts of the new replacement bomb, known as the B61-12. “The planning and training to use the US H-bombs that goes on at Büchel cannot be legal, because organizing mass destruction has been a criminal act since the Nuremberg Trials after WWII,” van der Hijden said.
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 15:13:37 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:13:37 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Pay no attention to the little (wo)men behind the
 curtain...
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The political establishment & MSM are hysterical about suppressing the questions about the murder of Seth Rich - notably, was it done to prevent his authoritatively refuting the starting point of the Mueller report - that the Russians leaked the DNC emails [because he did it himself]?) As Queen Gertrude observes, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." 

========================
From: Charlie at thebulwark.com
Morning Shots

I know it’s fashionable in some circles to shrug off that whole Russia-thing, but you need to read this remarkable and disturbing piece from Yahoo News.  
 
WASHINGTON — In the summer of 2016, Russian intelligence agents secretly planted a fake report claiming that Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich was gunned down by a squad of assassins working for Hillary Clinton, giving rise to a notorious conspiracy theory that captivated conservative activists and was later promoted from inside President Trump’s White House, a Yahoo News investigation has found.

Russia’s foreign intelligence service, known as the SVR, first circulated a phony “bulletin” — disguised to read as a real intelligence report —about the alleged murder of the former DNC staffer on July 13, 2016, according to the U.S. federal prosecutor who was in charge of the Rich case. That was just three days after Rich, 27, was killed in what police believed was a botched robbery while walking home to his group house in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Washington, D.C., about 30 blocks north of the Capitol.

What the Russians began, Sean Hannity & Co. spread with alacrity and malice.
 
The conspiracy claims reached their zenith in May 2017 — the same week as Mueller’s appointment as special counsel in the Russia probe — when Fox News’ website posted a sensational story claiming that an FBI forensic report had discovered evidence on Rich’s laptop that he had been in communication with WikiLeaks prior to his death. Sean Hannity, the network’s primetime star, treated the account as major news on his nightly broadcast, calling it “explosive” and proclaiming it “might expose the single biggest fraud, lies, perpetrated on the American people by the media and the Democrats in our history.”

Exit take: The Yahoo story is a reminder that we have not yet come to grips with the enormity of the Russian attack… which is why Bob Mueller’s testimony next week will be a big f’ing deal.
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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Wed Jul 10 15:43:22 2019
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:43:22 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Pay no attention to the little (wo)men behind
 the curtain...
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In response to this, check out the link below to the latest episode of THE JIMMY DORE SHOW, with Aaron Matte -
 
" Mueller Repeatedly Contradicts Himself & Undermines Russiagate "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52P7G7AHiDg&t=179s

Like the Russiagate conspiracy theory, the Seth Rich leak / murder story has no evidence.
HOWEVER, it is a tad curious of how  and why the D.C. police have been handling the investigation of his murder unlike other murder cases.

David J.


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Subject: [Peace-discuss] Pay no attention to the little (wo)men behind the curtain...

The political establishment & MSM are hysterical about suppressing the questions about the murder of Seth Rich - notably, was it done to prevent his authoritatively refuting the starting point of the Mueller report - that the Russians leaked the DNC emails [because he did it himself]?) As Queen Gertrude observes, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." 

========================
From: Charlie at thebulwark.com
Morning Shots

I know it’s fashionable in some circles to shrug off that whole Russia-thing, but you need to read this remarkable and disturbing piece from Yahoo News.  
 
WASHINGTON — In the summer of 2016, Russian intelligence agents secretly planted a fake report claiming that Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich was gunned down by a squad of assassins working for Hillary Clinton, giving rise to a notorious conspiracy theory that captivated conservative activists and was later promoted from inside President Trump’s White House, a Yahoo News investigation has found.

Russia’s foreign intelligence service, known as the SVR, first circulated a phony “bulletin” — disguised to read as a real intelligence report —about the alleged murder of the former DNC staffer on July 13, 2016, according to the U.S. federal prosecutor who was in charge of the Rich case. That was just three days after Rich, 27, was killed in what police believed was a botched robbery while walking home to his group house in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Washington, D.C., about 30 blocks north of the Capitol.

What the Russians began, Sean Hannity & Co. spread with alacrity and malice.
 
The conspiracy claims reached their zenith in May 2017 — the same week as Mueller’s appointment as special counsel in the Russia probe — when Fox News’ website posted a sensational story claiming that an FBI forensic report had discovered evidence on Rich’s laptop that he had been in communication with WikiLeaks prior to his death. Sean Hannity, the network’s primetime star, treated the account as major news on his nightly broadcast, calling it “explosive” and proclaiming it “might expose the single biggest fraud, lies, perpetrated on the American people by the media and the Democrats in our history.”

Exit take: The Yahoo story is a reminder that we have not yet come to grips with the enormity of the Russian attack… which is why Bob Mueller’s testimony next week will be a big f’ing deal.
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 01:18:28 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 20:18:28 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Local 2020 election to Congress
Message-ID: <7CE1B3A9-F474-4235-905B-FE987C022185@gmail.com>

Since both the Republican incumbent and the presumed Democratic challenger in Illinois' 13th Congressional district are pro-war (and also weak on climate catastrophe), it's been suggested that an insurgent candidacy is in order.

Arrangements are being made to discuss such a thing. Comments are welcome here, where announcements will also be posted.

—CGE

From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Jul 12 02:35:51 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 21:35:51 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Notes
Message-ID: <2319caa3-a700-35df-8641-df8bab0ad147@forestfield.org>


Protests: Les Gillets Jaunes (Yellow Vests) protests continue for 34th week 
in France

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRUJhLHp1zk -- nearly 5 hours of footage 
from RT, one of very few networks covering these protests.




War with Iran now more likely: Iran angry after Britain seizes an oil 
tanker headed for Syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJKiSeXvI2o -- British Royal Marines 
captured the Grace 1 tanker as the tanker approached Gibraltar near the 
southern tip of Spain. Iranian and Spanish authorities are angry about 
this, and the British government choice has no clear justification for this 
choice. This move appears to be carried out at the behest of the US.

> George Galloway: Piracy on the high seas, piracy in Spanish territorial 
> waters. It's a major mistake by the British government which is the
> only government in history that has set about leaving the European Union
> and making enemies of the rest of the world, simultaneously. It is an
> act of madness, it is an act of brigandage, piracy, it's a crime, and I
> think Britain will be made to pay for it. The Iranians will almost
> certainly retaliate in-kind, then we'll be into an international crisis
> point, a flashpoint, which could lead to a shooting war. [...] The idea
> that a state-owned oil tanker headed for Syria was some kind of illegal
> contraband is utterly ridiculous. The European Union does not have oil
> sanctions against the Republic of Iran neither does it have oil
> sanctions against Syria. So if Donald Trump and John Bolton invented a
> causus belli, that's a matter for them. [...]




Russiagate: Skripal/Sturgess affair update is possible. A new way to leak 
insider information?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbir6T5_IZs -- Top secret files from Porton 
Down lab were found in a London garbage bin. Look for information 
pertaining to the Skripal/Sturgess affair in which the Skripals were 
poisoned in a park near Porton Down lab, and Dawn Sturgess died after she 
was poisoned. The UK government was quick to label the Russian government 
as a culprit in this given no clear evidence to justify such an allegation; 
we don't have any evidence that the two Russian men being accused of 
poisoning the Skripals and 3 others across 2 incidents (Det. Sgt. Nick 
Bailey of the Wilts Police, Charlie Rowley, and Dawn Sturgess) actually did 
what they're accused of doing. Nor do we have any information to suggest 
that this is a state-run poisoning (or murder in the case of Dawn Sturgess).

The closest thing we have to evidence implicating Russia are two Russian 
men who claim to be sightseers in the Salisbury area. But we have no 
evidence from their customs search either on arriving or leaving Salisbury, 
no evidence of anyone in the area seeing them leave poison behind, and no 
rationale with which to understand why it is in Russia's interest to try 
and kill any of the poisoning victims (even former Russian spy Sergey 
Skripal who survived the first Salisbury poisoning).

The UK has not cooperated with Russia in showing them evidence on which the 
UK's accusations are based. The UK government purchased Sergei Skripal's 
house and everything in it, killed Skripal's pets (and destroyed their 
corpses), and won't show the public evidence backing up repeated claims 
that Russians are the poisoners (or killer of Dawn Sturgess).

It seems that the UK government could have something to do with this: we're 
told that this poisoning involved one of the "Novichok" (Russian for 
'newcomer') poisons which are allegedly very deadly, capable of killing 
multiple full-grown men with a minuscule quantity of poison one could 
easily fit in a test tube. But so far only 1 of the 5 people known to have 
been affected by this substance has died (Dawn Sturgess). We're told that 
this poison's effectiveness decreases rapidly with exposure to air, and 
that this is not a substance one can make at home; one needs a professional 
chemical lab to make this substance (but the recipe for it has been 
publicly published since the 1980s). These poisonings all happened within a 
very short distance of Porton Down lab in the UK. And the two men 
interviewed by RT who are widely made fun of and accused of being the 
poisoners -- Alexander Mishkin and Colonel Anatoliy Chepiga -- are 
allegedly helping the UK government, according to investigative reporter 
Seymour Hersh.

Could it be that someone in the UK with Porton Down lab access made some 
batches of this poison in Porton Down lab to try to implicate the Russian 
state?

In August 2018 the US government used the allegations of Russians poisoning 
the Skripals as the justification for sanctions against Russia starting 
August 22, 2018. Sanctions are war against the poor; US sanctions means 
that the US is making it harder for the citizens of a sanctioned country to 
get what they need to live including critical medications like insulin for 
Type-1 diabetics (if Type-1 diabetics don't get insulin daily, they'll die).

One more item to factor into this: Seymour Hersh, whom investigative 
reporter John Pilger has called "Probably the greatest investigative 
reporter in the world", Hersh told Afshin Rattansi (host of RT's "Going 
Underground") that the Russian mafia is more likely to be involved in the 
Skripal attack than the Russian government.

 From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJgTiP6WBss

> Seymour Hersh: Those two [Mishkin & Chepiga] were helping the British
> intelligence services with information about the Russian mafia. That's
> what they were doing here [in the UK]. In other words, the people that
> were high on the list of people who would want to hurt him [Sergey
> Skripal] would be the Russian mafia. Russians, but not the Russian
> government.
> 
> Afshin Rattansi, RT host: Do you mean the Skripals?
> 
> Seymour Hersh: Yeah, I mean that was the understanding. There was also 
> some reporting out of Europe about that that's been pretty much 
> widespread.




Update on Julian Assange associate Arjen Kamphuis: "friends and family 
believe that he is still alive and that he chose to disappear himself"

Last we knew, Julian Assange and WikiLeaks associate Kamphuis' belongings 
were found in the sea and he did not arrive in Trondheim as expected on 
August 22, 2018. Now there's some reason to believe he's alive and trying 
to seek increased privacy but it's not clear if this is the case or why he 
chose to do this around the time when the US was apparently working to get 
physical custody of Australian citizen Julian Assange to hold Assange to 
account for alleged violations of US law.

https://nltimes.nl/2018/12/20/missing-dutch-cyber-expert-still-alive-disappearance-voluntary-friends-believe

> Four months after Dutch cyber security expert Arjen Kamphuis disappeared
> in Norway, his friends and family believe that he is still alive and
> that he chose to disappear himself. He previously also disappeared from
> the radar, they said to newspaper AD.
> 
> "We take into account that Arjen might have been in a mental emergency",
> Ancilla van de Leest said, speaking on behalf of the missing man's
> friends and family. "His stressful life, combined with high intelligence
> and sitting on your own for weeks, could lead to that." Kirk Wiebe, NSA
> whistleblower and a colleague of Kamphuis, believes the same. "There are
> indications for the scenario that Arjen wanted to disappear from the
> radar himself."
> 
> The 47-year-old man, a worldwide authority on cyber security and
> espionage, has been missing since August 20th, when he left his hotel in
> Bodo, Norway. His kayak was later found in a nearby fjord. There are
> several indications that Kamphuis may be in Germany. A German SIM card
> was placed into his phone shortly after his disappearance. Witnesses saw
> him in Denmark. And he made a payment to Deutsche Bahn shortly before he
> left to holiday in Norway.
> 
> Kamphuis also previously disappeared for a time after a private setback,
> "people involved" said to AD. Though at that time he did tell some of
> his friends where he was going. This past period was stressful for
> Kamphuis and his friends believe he may have done the same thing now.
> 
> At the same time, his friends don't rule out the other possibilities -
> that he fell victim to an accident or crime. The Norwegian police are
> also keeping all the options open. A spokesperson said to AD that they
> consider one of the scenarios more likely than the others, but he did
> not want to say which one.




Economy: Pro-austerity Christine Lagarde becomes European Central Bank 
President

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5D59rOh9Kc -- Is this an example that 
identity politics advocates want to celebrate? They seemed to be willing to 
do just this when they thought pro-austerity (neoliberal) Hillary Clinton 
was a shoo-in for becoming US President in 2016.

Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdkCi3c5kYE -- European Union 
finally stands up to US over Iran. But will this last long with Pres. 
Lagarde now heading up EC Bank?




Russiagate: Debunking Russiagate with Muller's own report

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/crowdstrikeout_muellers_own_report_undercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html 
-- Aaron Maté's report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52P7G7AHiDg -- Jimmy Dore interview with 
Aaron Maté about this report. Thanks also to David Johnson for pointing to 
this interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ublVFxJfeno -- Lee Camp interview with 
Aaron Maté.

Problems with the coverage:

Around 18m48s into the Jimmy Dore interview Maté says that "it is possible 
all this is kosher" to not interview key people involved in the story (such 
as Julian Assange & Craig Murray), and to rely on CrowdStrike's image of 
the DNC server instead of seizing the server hardware and relying on the 
FBI's own analysis of said server. Not interviewing relevant figures (the 
publisher and a person widely known to have met the person who supplied the 
DNC email data) is obviously too poor a judgment to be ineptitude, 
something else is up. The problem with the server data isn't using computer 
system image (an "image" is a complete copy of all of the storage on a 
computer), the problem is what party the images come from. If the FBI made 
their own image from the server and used the image data in their own 
investigation, that would be expected and reasonable. But treating image 
data from a third party (CrowdStrike) as if they were a trusted 
investigator is more of a sign something else is going on.

The FBI's choices here are clear indications of deep corruption at the 
highest levels in order to assist the Democratic Party explain how we saw 
those DNC emails -- Russians got a copy to the WikiLeaks. CrowdStrike is 
properly seen as a suspect who helped their client, the DNC, explain away 
their loss to Donald Trump. Craig Murray (former ambassador to Uzbekistan 
who may have been the courier of a USB thumb drive between Seth Rich of the 
DNC and someone from WikiLeaks) describes this well:

 From Craig Murray via his blog at 
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/05/the-real-muellergate-scandal/

> There has never been, by any US law enforcement or security service
> body, a forensic examination of the DNC servers, despite the fact that
> the claim those servers were hacked is the very heart of the entire
> investigation. Instead, the security services simply accepted the
> “evidence” provided by the DNC’s own IT security consultants,
> Crowdstrike, a company which is politically aligned to the Clintons.
> 
> That is precisely the equivalent of the police receiving a phone call
> saying:
> 
> “Hello? My husband has just been murdered. He had a knife in his back
> with the initials of the Russian man who lives next door engraved on it
> in Cyrillic script. I have employed a private detective who will send
> you photos of the body and the knife. No, you don’t need to see either
> of them.”
> 
> There is no honest policeman in the world who would agree to that
> proposition, and neither would Mueller were he remotely an honest man.

Also, consider that CrowdStrike redacted some information before submitting 
their report to the FBI. The FBI doesn't object to this. If the FBI carried 
out a proper investigation they would never stand for a (party properly 
considered a suspect) to redact information from them.



Russiagate: "A scheme meant to give Democrats popular support without doing 
anything the public want them to do" (Margaret Kimberley, Black Agenda Report)

https://www.blackagendareport.com/freedom-rider-time-russiagate-end -- 
Black Agenda Report on Russiagate and what we're likely to see in the 
upcoming Mueller hearing: "Russiagate is a scheme meant to give Democrats 
popular support without doing anything the public want them to do.".

> Mueller and his team neglected to interview several individuals who
> could have put this story to rest once and for all. Mueller insists that
> Russian agents hacked the Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails and
> gave them to Wikileaks. Julian Assange has always said that the material
> was leaked, not hacked. Former British diplomat Craig Murray says he met
> the individual who provided the documents.
> 
> This information is hardly secret, as Assange and Murray have
> consistently made the same statements since 2016. Assange was easy to
> find, having been given asylum in the Ecuadorean embassy in London. But
> no one approached the men who would be able to disprove the story of
> Russian hacking. Of course that is exactly why they were never
> approached. Russiagate is too valuable a commodity to be given up by an
> honest investigation.
> 
> The Democratic majority on the committee will surely pose questions to
> Mueller that allow them to continue their hoax. Sadly, the public will
> be dependent upon right wing racist Republicans like Louie Gohmert and
> gadfly Devin Nunes to ask the hard questions. The contradictions, the
> paradox of the Russiagate story is that Republicans are the ones being
> truthful. Of course their goal is to protect president Trump. Their
> cause is not a noble one at all.
> 
> But when Russiagate is the issue it is the Democrats who are the worst
> liars. They are the ones who have damaged their electorate, the media
> and international relationships in their effort to excuse the debacle of
> their own making. Russiagate is a scheme meant to give them popular
> support without doing anything the public want them to do.



Russiagate: So-called "Press Freedom" conference held by UK & Canadian 
governments in London (about 60 ministers and 1,000 journalists were in 
attendance) with special guest Amal Clooney (international human rights 
lawyer and British Special Envoy on Media Freedom) but RT & Sputnik were 
not invited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAD9T2P_scs -- RT report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2bLWByh0Aw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KMbaO1tyh8 -- Jeremy Hunt refuses to 
answer questions about why RT is not invited to "Press Freedom" conference.

RT applied to attend with plenty of time to vet their credentials but the 
official answer from UK Foreign Office was:

> Unfortunately we're unable to approve your application to accredit as
> media.

Other news outlets were being told a very different message about why RT & 
Sputnik were refused admission:

> We have not accredited RT or Sputnik because of their active role in
> spreading disinformation. While it's not possible to accommodate all
> requests for accreditation, journalists from across the world's media
> are attending the conference, including from Russia.

The Russian Embassy in London has written back to "express its resolute 
disagreement" with the snub. Maria Zakharova, Russia's Foreign Ministry 
spokeswoman said:

> ...the organisers demonstrated their true intentions and attitude to
> media freedom by turning the event into the means of achieving
> opportunistic political ends. We believe other countries and responsible
> journalists will draw the appropriate conclusions and we hope that human
> rights NGOs and relevant international agencies will not shy away from
> stating their position.
RT's Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan:

> It takes a particular brand of hypocrisy to advocate for freedom of
> press while banning inconvenient voices and slandering alternative
> media. Sadly, the world has learned to expect just that from the UK
> Foreign Office.



Russiagate: who leaked Kim Darroch's embarrassing cable (memo) indicating 
what he thought of Pres. Trump? The UK says it was Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNI2SXRK_dk -- British Foreign Secretary 
Jeremy Hunt said:

> Of course it would be massively concerning if it was the act of a
> foreign, hostile state. I've seen no evidence that that's the case, but
> we'll look at the leak inquiry very carefully.
Through illogical contortions that can only be described as supportive of 
more evidenceless Russiagate nonsense, Hunt's words here are being 
interpreted as "Russia did it" by Daily Mail, The Sun, The Mirror, Business 
Insider, and more UK media.

Jeremy Hunt has apologized for the leak but not the content of the cable.

What did Kim Darroch say?

Kim Darroch on Pres. Trump:

> We don't really believe this administration is going to become
> substantially more normal; less dysfunctional; less unpredictable; less
> faction-riven; less diplomatically clumsy and inept.
Kim Darroch on Trump calling off the Iranian strike:

> It's more likely that he was never fully on board and that he was
> worried about how this apparent reversal of his 2016 campaign promises
> would look come 2020 -- at the next presidential election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38XenQqaaK0 -- Kim Darroch resigned as a 
result of his cable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY6PE1OpTXE -- George Galloways' reaction 
to the resignation.



Russiagate: Federal judge rules that Mueller's charge that Concord 
Management & Consulting is a "troll farm" is not proof of that claim.

https://on.rt.com/9xxk -- RT report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhQbsNn304o -- RT interview with Jim Jatras.

> [A] federal judge ruled that [Robert Mueller's] indictment of a ‘troll
> farm’ is not actual proof of it.
> 
> Mueller’s charges against Concord Management & Consulting, the Russian
> company accused of running a “troll farm” and “sowing discord” on US
> social media in 2016, do not establish a link between that private
> company and the Russian government, US District Judge Dabney L.
> Friedrich pointed out.
> 
> Yet the special counsel’s much-publicized final report claims to have
> “established” and “confirmed” Russian government activities based in
> part on the indictment against Concord, which is a breach of
> prosecutorial rules, Friedrich said.

Aaron Maté (investigative journalist and widely-read Russiagate debunker) 
is quoted:

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1148581532598198273
> Federal judge has issued a significant rebuke of a core Mueller claim.
> Mueller claims that the IRA -- a Russian troll farm -- was the 2nd of
> "two principal interference operations" by Russian gov't. But as judge
> notes, Mueller's implied link between IRA & Russian gov't was false.

[...]

> This is a major blow not just to Mueller but to the entire "Russian
> Active Measures" talking point. As the judge acknowledges, the IRA
> (which, btw, put out juvenile clickbait mostly unrelated to the
> election) is a private entity & Mueller never establishes a Kremlin
> connection.
See 
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/crowdstrikeout_muellers_own_report_undercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html 
for Maté's latest article on this.





Economy: "School by day, assembly line by night: How teachers in South 
Carolina make ends meet: Lawmakers in the state, which ranks among the 
worst for education in the country, recently approved a raise for teachers. 
Advocates say it’s not enough."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/school-day-assembly-line-night-how-teachers-south-carolina-make-n1026381

> [Meredith] Blackwood, 27, is a teacher at Cayce Elementary in West
> Columbia, South Carolina, where she made $36,000 for the 2018-19 school
> year. Her husband, Chancen Blackwood, 30, a teacher in the same school
> district, made $35,000.
> 
> The Blackwoods live in a state that pays teachers one of the lowest
> starting salaries in the country.
> 
> With annual raises that have so far been small, their combined incomes
> don’t cover their monthly bills. So when an unusual income booster at a
> local drug manufacturer arose several months ago, they took it, joining
> hundreds of other South Carolina teachers forced into unusually long
> workdays just to get by.
> 
> After their school day ends, on weekends and during school breaks, the
> Blackwoods don red scrubs and hair nets and join the assembly line at
> Nephron Pharmaceuticals, which, since March, has given part-time work to
> more than 650 teachers.
> 
> The teachers’ responsibilities vary. Some days they check syringes for
> imperfections; other days they package drugs to be sent to hospitals or
> assemble the boxes the drugs go into. They typically work in four-hour
> shifts.

[...]

> [N]one of their gigs on school grounds pays them as much on an hourly
> basis as Nephron, where they make $21 an hour.

[...]

> In June, Republican Gov. Henry McMaster signed a budget that increased
> beginning teachers’ salaries to $35,000, and gave other teachers a four
> percent or more raise. That amount, compared to last year’s salaries,
> would move South Carolina’s starting salary from fourth lowest to 12th
> lowest.

What teachers say they need (as opposed to what state government is working 
on doing):

> SC for Ed, a 30,000-member grassroots education advocacy group, says it
> wants higher salaries that are not compromised by higher health care
> costs; better working conditions, such as protected classroom planning
> time during the school day and smaller class sizes; and more equity and
> funding statewide, so all school districts reap benefits.





Freedom of speech: Pres. Trump (and presumably any other public official) 
cannot block users from reading what they post to others on their official 
public social media accounts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPZi4b-jf9A -- RT's report on this 2nd 
Circuit Court ruling. Public officials are also prohibited from deleting 
commentary on their accounts (such as critical feedback).

This is good policy for everyone in general because this approach 
encourages counterspeech instead of censorship. But this ruling is only 
binding on US public officials using their account in their official capacity.

The commentary regarding the power a social media firm (a publisher) has to 
allow free speech is troublesome: the discussants consider shadowbanning or 
outright banning to be problematic for free speech. Perhaps as a principle, 
yes, but legally no: the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution doesn't apply 
everywhere one can use the social media service, and the 1st Amendment is 
only a restriction against government censorship. Part of Russiagate is 
watching the US government apply pressure to Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, et 
al to use their private power to censor against the government's opponents 
and to steer censorship policy to favor allowing only the posts that the US 
government approves of. So the US government is well aware of the 
limitation the 1st Amendment imposes on them in their official capacity, 
therefore they outsource their censorious desire to these 3rd parties. 
Hence we can also see line between private industry and government 
dissolving as they work together as partners to achieve amenable ends for 
the US government (very much related is the NSA's partnership with famous 
service providers and software proprietors in their spying program -- see 
the many NSA slides describing this liberated by Edward Snowden including 
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Prism_slide_5.jpg 
detailing when PRISM "providers" joined the NSA's PRISM program: Microsoft 
on 9/11/2007, Yahoo on 3/12/2008, Google on 1/14/2009, with dates for Skype 
(pre-Microsoft ownership), YouTube, AOL, Apple, and more).





Education takeover by private interests via charter schools:

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-teach-for-america-evolved-into-an-arm-of-the-charter-school-movement 
-- source article
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVnZqN_PL2Q -- Redacted Tonight on "Teach 
for America"'s 30th anniversary. Teach for America (TFA) receives huge 
donations ($20M in 2013 from the Walton family of Wal-Mart fame, for 
example) in order to effectively help teachers work at charter schools 
instead of public schools. TFA pays teachers more to work at charter 
schools (the aforementioned Walton family grant pays $6,000/teacher for 
placement in a charter school versus $4,000/teacher for placement in a 
traditional public school).

> The gift’s purpose was far removed from Teach For America’s original
> mission of alleviating teacher shortages in traditional public schools.
> It was intended to “generate a longer-term leadership pipeline that
> advances the education movement, providing a source of talent for
> policy, advocacy and politics, as well as quality schools and new
> entrepreneurial ventures,” according to internal grant documents.
> 
> The incentives corresponded to a shift in Teach For America’s direction.
> Although only 7% of students go to charter schools, Teach For America
> sent almost 40% of its 6,736 teachers to them in 2018 — up from 34% in
> 2015 and 13% in 2008. In some large cities, charter schools employ the
> majority of TFA teachers: 54% in Houston, 58% in San Antonio and at
> least 70% in Los Angeles.

And this is another instance where there's no difference across 
administrations or corporate political parties (more evidence of the 
aptly-named 'permanent government'):

> Whichever type of school they serve in, Teach For America’s teachers
> devote their intelligence and energy to helping low-income and minority
> students and closing the nation’s unrelenting achievement gap. But its
> metamorphosis reflects a broader trend: As nonunion charter schools have
> gained acceptance in the past 20 years, political support for
> traditional public schools and teacher unions has eroded.
> 
> While both the Obama and Trump administrations have backed charter
> schools, the appointment of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, who once
> called the traditional public education system a “dead end,” fractured
> the political consensus. The issue divides candidates for the Democratic
> presidential nomination. Bernie Sanders has called for a moratorium on
> federal funding of charters until a national review of their growth is
> conducted. Sanders, Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren have criticized
> for-profit charter schools, with Sanders advocating an outright ban.
> 
> Other candidates, such as Cory Booker and Beto O’Rourke, are sympathetic
> to charters. As Newark’s mayor, Booker raised millions in private funds
> for education reforms, including the expansion of charter schools.
> O’Rourke, whose wife started a charter school, has called them a “good
> idea” for encouraging competition and innovation.

This also does a good job of skewering identity politics -- no matter who 
is in charge, the policy of moving resources away from public ends toward 
private gain (public schools to charter schools, in this case) continues.





War: Libya's army finishes 1st stage of its attack on Tripoli. Now there's 
more evidence that the EU is involved: France confirmed that 4 missiles 
found at Libyan base are from the French army.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2OUklT_o_Q -- How did French arms get to 
Libya? Is France's "double game" (supporting two warring parties) finally up?





War: US uses "emergency powers" to sell $8 billion in arms to Saudi Arabia, 
Jordan, and UAE despite Congressional objections; this arms transfer is 
said to be "exporting the best of America".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bZQr1LuXuk -- RT report; Medea Benjamin is 
interviewed.

These arms will help continue the SA war against Yemen and thus further 
implicate the US in the ongoing Yemeni humanitarian crisis, the worst in 
the world.

R. Clarke Cooper, US Assistant Secretary of State in his testimony to 
Congress at a recent hearing:
> R. Clarke Cooper: Our policy is not just limited to arms transfers, it
> is an expression, a manifestation of what else we export: open society,
> human rights. That is a part of our policy. We do export the best of
> America with our arms transfer policy.
[...]

> R. Clarke Cooper: We do not suspend our security relationship with a
> partner that carries so much weight for our interests and our equities
> in the region.
> 
> Senator: You're saying that the US convention on arms transfer policy
> can be sacrificed if we have an important relationship with a country?
> 
> R. Clarke Cooper: No, it should not be sacrificed.
> 
> Senator: That's what you're doing. Because you're transferring weapons
> after you have knowledge that they [Saudi Arabia] violated international
> norms.
More than 70,000 people were killed by military action in Yemen. The 
overwhelming majority of weapons used there are American weapons. Almost 
100 civilian casualties occur each week in 2018. 70% of Yemen population is 
food insecure (they have no idea where their next meal is coming from).

War: Drone war in Somalia takes a huge toll on the population.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/05/us/politics/us-civilians-somalia-airstrikes.html
https://www.voanews.com/africa/us-acknowledges-2-civilians-killed-2018-somalia-airstrike
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/05/politics/us-military-civilian-casualties-somalia/index.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_glsfgMyI -- RT's report.

Newly-released documents from U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) show that the 
US government has been aware of multiple civilian deaths as a result of 
AFRICOM's operations for a year, deaths that the US government didn't 
initially admit to.

An April 2018 AFRICOM report claimed that 5 "terrorists" were killed, 1 
vehicle destroyed, and no civilians were harmed. A year later we learn that 
in fact 2 civilians were killed in that strike (a woman and a child).

Voice of America (US propaganda) reported:
> The AFRICOM director of operations, Marine Major General Gregg Olson,
> said Friday that an ongoing review uncovered the civilian deaths, which
> went unreported for nearly a year.
> 
> "We follow the law of armed conflict and regret that this incident
> resulted in the loss of two innocent lives," Olson told reporters in a
> teleconference. "AFRICOM is committed to transparency, and we have a
> solemn obligation to … the Somali people we're trying to protect."
> 
> Olson said AFRICOM is working with the U.S. embassy in Somalia on a way
> forward to potentially provide restitution for the family of the woman
> and child.

How many more drone deaths are we not learning about?

> Amnesty International's Daphne Eviatar: AFRICOM says it conducted 110
> air strikes that killed 800 terrorists. It's just not plausible that all
> of the people killed were actually enemy armed forces, and that none
> were civilians.
Amnesty International says that the US has carried out more than 100 US 
strikes since 2017 and 14 civilians died in 5 of those strikes.

AFRICOM says that 800 Al-Shabaab militants were killed and 2 civilians were 
killed in a 2017 drone strike.

This reads on Rep. Tulsi Gabbard's (D-HI) support for drone war (see 
https://digitalcitizen.info/2019/02/13/is-tulsi-gabbard-really-anti-war-no-shes-pro-drone-and-for-surgical-strikes/ 
for my views on this). Despite being frequently billed as "anti-war", she 
told The Intercept in 2018 that she supports drone war:

> So, with these terrorist cells, for example, yes, I do still believe
> that the right approach to take is these quick strike forces, surgical
> strikes, in and out, very quickly, no long-term deployment, no long-term
> occupation to be able to get rid of the threat that exists and then get
> out and the very limited use of drones in those situations where our
> military is not able to get in without creating an unacceptable level of
> risk, and where you can make sure that you’re not causing, you know, a
> large amount of civilian casualties.

But as before, we don't know all of the people being killed in drone 
strikes. This story about AFRICOM drone strikes is more evidence that the 
reports we get on drone deaths are understatements and that it makes no 
sense to apply an anti-war label on anyone who thinks that this war is 
supportable.

-J

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From kmedina67 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 12:27:36 2019
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I have met Richard Rohr. And i agree with his view about Dietrich Bonhoeffer -- he should be canonized a saint. I think i found a recent children's book about Bonhoeffer, which means his relevance today is on many people's minds. 



- Karen Medina"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain

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From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Jul 12 23:34:43 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 18:34:43 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] NfN #428 notes
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News from Neptune #428
A "Socialist Threat" edition
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JwbSBsr_LU

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

2019 Socialism Conference
https://socialismconference.org/ -- conference website
https://archive.fo/GbmTo -- archive of the conference website

Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal on "DSA/Jacobin/Haymarket-sponsored 
‘Socialism’ conference features US gov-funded regime-change activists"
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/06/dsa-jacobin-iso-socialism-conference-us-funded-regime-change/

Adolph Reed, Jr. on "Cargo cult politics" in "Splendors and Miseries of the 
Antiracist “Left”"
https://nonsite.org/editorial/splendors-and-miseries-of-the-antiracist-left-2

New Politics
https://newpol.org/

Zbigniew Brzezinski's "Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global 
Power"
ISBN 978-0-465-02954-9
Book: 
https://orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Brzezinski-Zbigniew.-Strategic-Vision-America-and-the-Crisis-of-Global-Power.pdf 
(this PDF is a bit oddly formatted, particularly a long list toward the end 
which needlessly occupies many pages)

John Pilger's "The Coming War With China"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot-acn1whrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG7Bve0baPo -- Pilger interview about this 
film.

Wikipedia on "Woke"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke



Glen Ford on "Sanders vs the Endless Austerity Regime"
https://blackagendareport.com/sanders-vs-endless-austerity-regime

Some recent Jeffrey Epstein news and his connections to elites/power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgDA5iQ8r-Y -- was Epstein an informant for 
the US government?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLcFpxFYngg -- CrossTalk on Epstein: what 
of justice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjZXeJ8asI -- Why was Bill Clinton on 
Epstein's jet (The Lolita Express) at least 26 times, according to flight logs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceHMyNytYV0 -- other "big names drop" as 
the scandal grows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFAX8uxgeA -- Alan Dershowitz defending 
Epstein and himself in his connection to Epstein on "The View".

Notes from J.B. Nicholson
https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-July/051033.html

No War in Iran
Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 5PM
Southwest corner of West Side Park (400 W. University Ave., Champaign, 
Illinois)

-J

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sat Jul 13 03:46:05 2019
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 03:46:05 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] "McNamara's Morons"
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Recently stumbled on this appalling book presentation:

McNamara’s Folly  (2015)   By Hamilton Gregory 
        Presentation by the author on YouTube (online), 37 min.

In 1966, President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara were desperate to find additional troops for the Vietnam War, but they feared that they would alienate middle-class voters if they drafted college boys or sent Reservists and National Guardsmen to Vietnam. So, on October 1, 1966, McNamara lowered mental standards and inducted thousands of low-IQ men. Altogether, 354,000 of these men were taken into the Armed Forces and a large number of them were sent into combat. Many military men, including William Westmoreland, the commanding general in Vietnam, viewed McNamara’s program as a disaster. Because many of the substandard men were incompetent in combat, they endangered not only themselves but their comrades as well. Their death toll was appallingly high. In addition to low-IQ men, tens of thousands of other substandard troops were inducted, including criminals, misfits, and men with disabilities. This book tells the story of the men caught up in McNamara’s folly.
     -- Amazon blurb  

From moboct1 at aim.com  Sat Jul 13 15:01:47 2019
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 15:01:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] "McNamara's Morons"
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This point of view places too much emphasis for the definition of "substandard men" on the IQ test which is flawed at best, especially for low-income poorly served educational populations (ersatz: non-college exempted).  Gen. Westmoreland and the Administration war hawks are the "substandard men" in this context. Midge O'Brien  -----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Peace-discuss] "McNamara's Morons"

Recently stumbled on this appalling book presentation:

McNamara’s Folly  (2015)  By Hamilton Gregory 
        Presentation by the author on YouTube (online), 37 min.

In 1966, President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara were desperate to find additional troops for the Vietnam War, but they feared that they would alienate middle-class voters if they drafted college boys or sent Reservists and National Guardsmen to Vietnam. So, on October 1, 1966, McNamara lowered mental standards and inducted thousands of low-IQ men. Altogether, 354,000 of these men were taken into the Armed Forces and a large number of them were sent into combat. Many military men, including William Westmoreland, the commanding general in Vietnam, viewed McNamara’s program as a disaster. Because many of the substandard men were incompetent in combat, they endangered not only themselves but their comrades as well. Their death toll was appallingly high. In addition to low-IQ men, tens of thousands of other substandard troops were inducted, including criminals, misfits, and men with disabilities. This book tells the story of the men caught up in McNamara’s folly.
    -- Amazon blurb  
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 13 19:28:56 2019
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 19:28:56 +0000
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David, Carl and JB

Excellent program, and now I offer my humble opinion:

I think the important message of the Graystone Project, in relation to the Socialism Conference, is the exposure of the ISO, as has been attempted by the WSWS.ORG<http://wsws.org>, as a DNC front.

I didn’t see the article as being a critique of the DSA, as the DSA has been very open, in relation to their support for Democrat candidates through electoral politics, which means reform from within the system, since dating back to the days of Michael Harrington, their founder. I personally don’t see it as viable, given where we are today, but thats another discussion and my opinion.

The ISO though the members I knew, did not support war or imperialism, many of the leaders do. This I discovered over years of reading their material, much of which means reading between the lines.

 However, their vilification of Bashar Assad, and open support for the “rebels” such as Al Nusra, which the USG supports as one of our jihadists, never has been acknowledged as error, with continued vilification of the Syrian government, and support for opposition groups which are clearly US supported jihadists. The true Syrian opposition to the government, has long dissipated,

The WSWS.ORG<http://wsws.org>, an arm of the  Socialist Equality Party, has been addressing this issue for years, what surprised me was the funding coming from the DNC, though it should be no surprise given in the time I was involved, seven months, I recall no discussions related to Marx, or Trotsky. As a member of the YSA the youth organization of the Socialist Workers Party, during the 70’s, that was the main focus, reading that which Trotsky said, often out of context thus rather boring. I object to the article painting all Trotskyist organizations with the same tar brush, as well as the use of the term Trotskyite, which is meant to be derogatory.

On another topic:

David, I was quite surprised at you, not taking seriously, all that has taken place over recent years beginning with Obama’s “pivot to Asia.” Carl addressed your question very well, as he has since I first took note of AWARE in early 2013 or 2012. There is little doubt in most political analysts minds these days, credible ones, that China is the ultimate target of imperialism by the US. First of course must come a break up of the friendship between China and Russia, which was accomplished so well by Obama’s “pivot.” Just as the Pentagon was not happy with Obama’s rush to the pivot at the time, given they were concentrating on the Middle east/Magreb and one can conduct only so many wars of provocation at a time. Also, as Wm. Blum pointed out, before the election of 2016, if the neocons take power, and they have with Trump, they will focus on Iran, as Iran is the stepping stone to Russia. What we see unfolding now, I see as “we were warned.”

Is the ultimate goal war with China, with bombs and destruction? Likely not, because China is seen as a target market, just as the middle east, the whole of Africa, has been targeted for control of their resources. To assume that the US isn’t hoping for regime change within China just as they are hoping for regime change within both Russia and Iran, in order to control those nations as we have done with the more vulnerable, is a mistake, our provocations, sanctions, and interventions covertly, are just that. However, if all is unsuccessful in acquiring regime change……..


On Jul 12, 2019, at 16:34, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

News from Neptune #428
A "Socialist Threat" edition
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JwbSBsr_LU

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

2019 Socialism Conference
https://socialismconference.org/ -- conference website
https://archive.fo/GbmTo -- archive of the conference website

Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal on "DSA/Jacobin/Haymarket-sponsored ‘Socialism’ conference features US gov-funded regime-change activists"
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/06/dsa-jacobin-iso-socialism-conference-us-funded-regime-change/

Adolph Reed, Jr. on "Cargo cult politics" in "Splendors and Miseries of the Antiracist “Left”"
https://nonsite.org/editorial/splendors-and-miseries-of-the-antiracist-left-2

New Politics
https://newpol.org/

Zbigniew Brzezinski's "Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power"
ISBN 978-0-465-02954-9
Book: https://orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Brzezinski-Zbigniew.-Strategic-Vision-America-and-the-Crisis-of-Global-Power.pdf (this PDF is a bit oddly formatted, particularly a long list toward the end which needlessly occupies many pages)

John Pilger's "The Coming War With China"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot-acn1whrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG7Bve0baPo -- Pilger interview about this film.

Wikipedia on "Woke"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke



Glen Ford on "Sanders vs the Endless Austerity Regime"
https://blackagendareport.com/sanders-vs-endless-austerity-regime

Some recent Jeffrey Epstein news and his connections to elites/power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgDA5iQ8r-Y -- was Epstein an informant for the US government?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLcFpxFYngg -- CrossTalk on Epstein: what of justice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjZXeJ8asI -- Why was Bill Clinton on Epstein's jet (The Lolita Express) at least 26 times, according to flight logs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceHMyNytYV0 -- other "big names drop" as the scandal grows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFAX8uxgeA -- Alan Dershowitz defending Epstein and himself in his connection to Epstein on "The View".

Notes from J.B. Nicholson
https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-July/051033.html

No War in Iran
Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 5PM
Southwest corner of West Side Park (400 W. University Ave., Champaign, Illinois)

-J
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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 14 14:26:05 2019
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:26:05 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] NfN #428 notes
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FYI –

 

Five members of the DSA met yesterday to talk about the Gray zone project article about the ISO leadership merging into the DSA national, which I sent out the beginning of last week.

These members were very disturbed by the article and it will be a topic of discussion at the next formal meeting on July 27th. We want to send a letter of complaint to DSA national about this.

Also C-U DSA formally endorsed the anti-war protest yesterday earlier in the week.

 

I would really like to know how many other DSA members and chapters around the country are aware of this and if so, rather or not they are also upset.

You have to keep in mind that the entire culture of DSA changed in 2017 when a huge number of younger people and some older people as well joined the organization, increasing the size of DSA 10 fold.

Most of these younger people and some of the older people who joined in 2017 are not of the same mindset as Harrington et al. This is reflected in letters and articles in the monthly DSA newsletter.

So I wouldn’t be surprised that a confrontation may occur in the future within DSA about the ISO leadership and their pro-imperialist policies. 

WE will see. If the national DSA adopts the imperialist policies of the ISO merged leadership, I know that myself and at least 6 other members of the C-U DSA branch will resign.

 

David J.

 

From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 2:29 PM
To: Peace Discuss
Cc: J.B. Nicholson; Peace
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David, Carl and JB 

 

Excellent program, and now I offer my humble opinion:  

 

I think the important message of the Graystone Project, in relation to the Socialism Conference, is the exposure of the ISO, as has been attempted by the WSWS.ORG, as a DNC front. 

 

I didn’t see the article as being a critique of the DSA, as the DSA has been very open, in relation to their support for Democrat candidates through electoral politics, which means reform from within the system, since dating back to the days of Michael Harrington, their founder. I personally don’t see it as viable, given where we are today, but thats another discussion and my opinion. 

 

The ISO though the members I knew, did not support war or imperialism, many of the leaders do. This I discovered over years of reading their material, much of which means reading between the lines.

 

 However, their vilification of Bashar Assad, and open support for the “rebels” such as Al Nusra, which the USG supports as one of our jihadists, never has been acknowledged as error, with continued vilification of the Syrian government, and support for opposition groups which are clearly US supported jihadists. The true Syrian opposition to the government, has long dissipated, 

 

The WSWS.ORG, an arm of the  Socialist Equality Party, has been addressing this issue for years, what surprised me was the funding coming from the DNC, though it should be no surprise given in the time I was involved, seven months, I recall no discussions related to Marx, or Trotsky. As a member of the YSA the youth organization of the Socialist Workers Party, during the 70’s, that was the main focus, reading that which Trotsky said, often out of context thus rather boring. I object to the article painting all Trotskyist organizations with the same tar brush, as well as the use of the term Trotskyite, which is meant to be derogatory.

 

On another topic: 

 

David, I was quite surprised at you, not taking seriously, all that has taken place over recent years beginning with Obama’s “pivot to Asia.” Carl addressed your question very well, as he has since I first took note of AWARE in early 2013 or 2012. There is little doubt in most political analysts minds these days, credible ones, that China is the ultimate target of imperialism by the US. First of course must come a break up of the friendship between China and Russia, which was accomplished so well by Obama’s “pivot.” Just as the Pentagon was not happy with Obama’s rush to the pivot at the time, given they were concentrating on the Middle east/Magreb and one can conduct only so many wars of provocation at a time. Also, as Wm. Blum pointed out, before the election of 2016, if the neocons take power, and they have with Trump, they will focus on Iran, as Iran is the stepping stone to Russia. What we see unfolding now, I see as “we were warned.”

 

Is the ultimate goal war with China, with bombs and destruction? Likely not, because China is seen as a target market, just as the middle east, the whole of Africa, has been targeted for control of their resources. To assume that the US isn’t hoping for regime change within China just as they are hoping for regime change within both Russia and Iran, in order to control those nations as we have done with the more vulnerable, is a mistake, our provocations, sanctions, and interventions covertly, are just that. However, if all is unsuccessful in acquiring regime change……..

 





On Jul 12, 2019, at 16:34, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

News from Neptune #428
A "Socialist Threat" edition
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JwbSBsr_LU

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

2019 Socialism Conference
https://socialismconference.org/ -- conference website
https://archive.fo/GbmTo -- archive of the conference website

Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal on "DSA/Jacobin/Haymarket-sponsored ‘Socialism’ conference features US gov-funded regime-change activists"
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/06/dsa-jacobin-iso-socialism-conference-us-funded-regime-change/

Adolph Reed, Jr. on "Cargo cult politics" in "Splendors and Miseries of the Antiracist “Left”"
https://nonsite.org/editorial/splendors-and-miseries-of-the-antiracist-left-2

New Politics
https://newpol.org/

Zbigniew Brzezinski's "Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power"
ISBN 978-0-465-02954-9
Book: https://orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Brzezinski-Zbigniew.-Strategic-Vision-America-and-the-Crisis-of-Global-Power.pdf (this PDF is a bit oddly formatted, particularly a long list toward the end which needlessly occupies many pages)

John Pilger's "The Coming War With China"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot-acn1whrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG7Bve0baPo -- Pilger interview about this film.

Wikipedia on "Woke"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke



Glen Ford on "Sanders vs the Endless Austerity Regime"
https://blackagendareport.com/sanders-vs-endless-austerity-regime

Some recent Jeffrey Epstein news and his connections to elites/power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgDA5iQ8r-Y -- was Epstein an informant for the US government?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLcFpxFYngg -- CrossTalk on Epstein: what of justice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjZXeJ8asI -- Why was Bill Clinton on Epstein's jet (The Lolita Express) at least 26 times, according to flight logs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceHMyNytYV0 -- other "big names drop" as the scandal grows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFAX8uxgeA -- Alan Dershowitz defending Epstein and himself in his connection to Epstein on "The View".

Notes from J.B. Nicholson
https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-July/051033.html

No War in Iran
Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 5PM
Southwest corner of West Side Park (400 W. University Ave., Champaign, Illinois)

-J
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Mon Jul 15 18:50:40 2019
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 13:50:40 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] on the debate over the DSA et al Socialism
 conference & US foreign policy
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNQm9zf4GcPcOk-=WPkZa7-OF5+A4zhCu5otE_G494bZ3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNQm9zf4GcPcOk-=WPkZa7-OF5+A4zhCu5otE_G494bZ3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALMNhNT8dNYdcXFo1nRP0FUY5KjB221z_F0gT_F1=gk_QsuS0A@mail.gmail.com>

The debate over the Greyzone piece and response caused this nice piece of
text to arrive on my computer, author unknown.

"there is a substantial portion of the semi-academic civil society/NGO
apparatus in this country – AKA ‘the Left’ – which is personally,
politically, and institutionally invested in a politics at odds with
anti-imperialist internationalism.

That politics operates through four mechanisms: (a) it focuses far more on
the crimes of targets of US imperialism than non-hot spots; (b) does not
believe that the primary task of US leftists is to build opposition to US
crimes; (c) embraces analyses which beyond frequently being incorrect,
fundamentally prevent the coalescence of internationalism in the US context
by demonizing every large-scale left project to build a better world, from
Venezuela under Maduro to Bolivia under Morales to the Philippines Maoists;
(d) attacks those who attempt to highlight media fabrications and the
operations of US soft power as ‘Stalinists,’ ‘Assadists,’ or other terms of
thuggish abuse which very quickly lead their targets to the unemployment
line and the victims of soft power to the graveyard.

Are these differences of opinion? Of course. Are they debates between
comrades? That depends on one’s perspective, where one draws one’s red
lines, and whose perspective one shares. Is publishing a book in support of
US Right to Protect interventions, as Haymarket did, a difference of
opinion, or an error? Is platforming Venezuelan socialists, Marea
Socialista, who met repeatedly with Juan Guiado, an error? When those
holding one position in the debate find themselves writing in the Atlantic
Council website or publishing op-eds in the NYT, we are entitled to
question whether we are dealing with legitimate differences amongst
comrades, or a performatively ‘left’ position which in fact reflects the
interests of those who own the NYT and the Atlantic?

And when do ‘errors’ in aggregate become a political line, when does a
political line reflect Eurocentrism? When does a categorical refusal to
deal with the national question in times of imperialism become a form of
complicity with the imperialist apparatus, unwittingly or wittingly? And
when does it become a question not of what we think our intentions are, but
what we should know of the effects of our stances and actions? Do we want a
Left that looks to the substantive dissolution of hierarchies between
nations and thinks internationalism starts at home, or a left that shrugs
at questions of location as ‘US-centrism’? These are the questions before
us, including the DSA, which has gathered in its ranks tens of thousands of
activists full of real commitment to changing the world. But we were
raising them well before July 2019."

===

Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Mon Jul 15 19:47:58 2019
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 19:47:58 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] New program of Consortium News
Message-ID: <8B1CCC30-3D13-4A6E-AD53-AC81A3E275A7@illinois.edu>

Worth seeing, supporting:


https://consortiumnews.com/2019/07/12/watch-the-replay-nils-melzer-aaron-mate-mike-gravel-on-cn-live-premiere/

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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Tue Jul 16 14:13:31 2019
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 09:13:31 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] on the debate over the DSA et al Socialism
 conference & US foreign policy
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNT8dNYdcXFo1nRP0FUY5KjB221z_F0gT_F1=gk_QsuS0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNQm9zf4GcPcOk-=WPkZa7-OF5+A4zhCu5otE_G494bZ3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALMNhNT8dNYdcXFo1nRP0FUY5KjB221z_F0gT_F1=gk_QsuS0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901d53be0$a68d9f70$f3a8de50$@comcast.net>

In my opinion this paragraph says it all -

 

“ Is publishing a book in support of US Right to Protect interventions, as Haymarket did, a difference of opinion, or an error? Is platforming Venezuelan socialists, Marea Socialista, who met repeatedly with Juan Guiado, an error? When those holding one position in the debate find themselves writing in the Atlantic Council website or publishing op-eds in the NYT, we are entitled to question whether we are dealing with legitimate differences amongst comrades, or a performatively ‘left’ position which in fact reflects the interests of those who own the NYT and the Atlantic? “

 

David J.

 

 

From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 1:51 PM
To: Peace-discuss List
Subject: [Peace-discuss] on the debate over the DSA et al Socialism conference & US foreign policy

 

 

The debate over the Greyzone piece and response caused this nice piece of text to arrive on my computer, author unknown. 

 

"there is a substantial portion of the semi-academic civil society/NGO apparatus in this country – AKA ‘the Left’ – which is personally, politically, and institutionally invested in a politics at odds with anti-imperialist internationalism.

 

That politics operates through four mechanisms: (a) it focuses far more on the crimes of targets of US imperialism than non-hot spots; (b) does not believe that the primary task of US leftists is to build opposition to US crimes; (c) embraces analyses which beyond frequently being incorrect, fundamentally prevent the coalescence of internationalism in the US context by demonizing every large-scale left project to build a better world, from Venezuela under Maduro to Bolivia under Morales to the Philippines Maoists; (d) attacks those who attempt to highlight media fabrications and the operations of US soft power as ‘Stalinists,’ ‘Assadists,’ or other terms of thuggish abuse which very quickly lead their targets to the unemployment line and the victims of soft power to the graveyard.

 

Are these differences of opinion? Of course. Are they debates between comrades? That depends on one’s perspective, where one draws one’s red lines, and whose perspective one shares. Is publishing a book in support of US Right to Protect interventions, as Haymarket did, a difference of opinion, or an error? Is platforming Venezuelan socialists, Marea Socialista, who met repeatedly with Juan Guiado, an error? When those holding one position in the debate find themselves writing in the Atlantic Council website or publishing op-eds in the NYT, we are entitled to question whether we are dealing with legitimate differences amongst comrades, or a performatively ‘left’ position which in fact reflects the interests of those who own the NYT and the Atlantic?

 

And when do ‘errors’ in aggregate become a political line, when does a political line reflect Eurocentrism? When does a categorical refusal to deal with the national question in times of imperialism become a form of complicity with the imperialist apparatus, unwittingly or wittingly? And when does it become a question not of what we think our intentions are, but what we should know of the effects of our stances and actions? Do we want a Left that looks to the substantive dissolution of hierarchies between nations and thinks internationalism starts at home, or a left that shrugs at questions of location as ‘US-centrism’? These are the questions before us, including the DSA, which has gathered in its ranks tens of thousands of activists full of real commitment to changing the world. But we were raising them well before July 2019."

 

===




Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org

(202) 448-2898 x1

 

 

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 14:38:58 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 09:38:58 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] on the debate over the DSA et al Socialism
 conference & US foreign policy
In-Reply-To: <001901d53be0$a68d9f70$f3a8de50$@comcast.net>
References: <CALMNhNQm9zf4GcPcOk-=WPkZa7-OF5+A4zhCu5otE_G494bZ3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALMNhNT8dNYdcXFo1nRP0FUY5KjB221z_F0gT_F1=gk_QsuS0A@mail.gmail.com>
 <001901d53be0$a68d9f70$f3a8de50$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <54E18BC2-3372-41E8-90A8-43AF5705E612@gmail.com>

Devastating.


> On Jul 16, 2019, at 9:13 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> In my opinion this paragraph says it all -
>  
> “ Is publishing a book in support of US Right to Protect interventions, as Haymarket did, a difference of opinion, or an error? Is platforming Venezuelan socialists, Marea Socialista, who met repeatedly with Juan Guiado, an error? When those holding one position in the debate find themselves writing in the Atlantic Council website or publishing op-eds in the NYT, we are entitled to question whether we are dealing with legitimate differences amongst comrades, or a performatively ‘left’ position which in fact reflects the interests of those who own the NYT and the Atlantic? “
>  
> David J.
>  
>  

From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 16:06:54 2019
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:06:54 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] on the debate over the DSA et al Socialism
 conference & US foreign policy
In-Reply-To: <54E18BC2-3372-41E8-90A8-43AF5705E612@gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNQm9zf4GcPcOk-=WPkZa7-OF5+A4zhCu5otE_G494bZ3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALMNhNT8dNYdcXFo1nRP0FUY5KjB221z_F0gT_F1=gk_QsuS0A@mail.gmail.com>
 <001901d53be0$a68d9f70$f3a8de50$@comcast.net>
 <54E18BC2-3372-41E8-90A8-43AF5705E612@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyGkqaQKMWbvK+Zveg4KfuJcYOw0mFOZ-xtg8LAj7dhPzg@mail.gmail.com>

Just in case there's any confusion on anyone's part, the *Atlantic **Council
*(est. 1961) is an influential and venerable establishment foreign policy
think tank that is basically neoconservative but tries to pretend it's not
in its academic and technical approaches to various regions, countries, and
issues. Along with the Council on Foreign Relations and Washington
Institute for Near East Policy (AIPAC think tank) it is probably one of the
three most influential FP think tanks.

*The **Atlantic *(formerly the *Atlantic Monthly*) is a venerable (1857)
liberal establishment monthly journal now edited by neocon/Zionist/former
Israeli prison guard Jeffrey Goldberg, who has established it as a refuge
for neocon NeverTrumpers like David ("axis of evil") Frum, while
maintaining upper-middle brow journalistic and literary standards,
analogous perhaps to PBS/NPR.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 9:39 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Devastating.
>
>
> > On Jul 16, 2019, at 9:13 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > In my opinion this paragraph says it all -
> >
> > “ Is publishing a book in support of US Right to Protect interventions,
> as Haymarket did, a difference of opinion, or an error? Is platforming
> Venezuelan socialists, Marea Socialista, who met repeatedly with Juan
> Guiado, an error? When those holding one position in the debate find
> themselves writing in the Atlantic Council website or publishing op-eds in
> the NYT, we are entitled to question whether we are dealing with legitimate
> differences amongst comrades, or a performatively ‘left’ position which in
> fact reflects the interests of those who own the NYT and the Atlantic? “
> >
> > David J.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Tue Jul 16 17:21:03 2019
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:21:03 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] on the debate over the DSA et al Socialism
 conference & US foreign policy
In-Reply-To: <CAOiGAyGkqaQKMWbvK+Zveg4KfuJcYOw0mFOZ-xtg8LAj7dhPzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNQm9zf4GcPcOk-=WPkZa7-OF5+A4zhCu5otE_G494bZ3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALMNhNT8dNYdcXFo1nRP0FUY5KjB221z_F0gT_F1=gk_QsuS0A@mail.gmail.com>
 <001901d53be0$a68d9f70$f3a8de50$@comcast.net>
 <54E18BC2-3372-41E8-90A8-43AF5705E612@gmail.com>
 <CAOiGAyGkqaQKMWbvK+Zveg4KfuJcYOw0mFOZ-xtg8LAj7dhPzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALMNhNQVSgu7E761Vj0NavSg=93Lnk8oHDJKV_doSJc2HUSm7g@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a URL for a public posting of the text I shared:

https://www.facebook.com/atxroc/posts/2762015040493759

The posting says Max Ajl is the author of the text.

===

Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1





On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 11:07 AM David Green via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Just in case there's any confusion on anyone's part, the *Atlantic **Council
> *(est. 1961) is an influential and venerable establishment foreign policy
> think tank that is basically neoconservative but tries to pretend it's not
> in its academic and technical approaches to various regions, countries, and
> issues. Along with the Council on Foreign Relations and Washington
> Institute for Near East Policy (AIPAC think tank) it is probably one of the
> three most influential FP think tanks.
>
> *The **Atlantic *(formerly the *Atlantic Monthly*) is a venerable (1857)
> liberal establishment monthly journal now edited by neocon/Zionist/former
> Israeli prison guard Jeffrey Goldberg, who has established it as a refuge
> for neocon NeverTrumpers like David ("axis of evil") Frum, while
> maintaining upper-middle brow journalistic and literary standards,
> analogous perhaps to PBS/NPR.
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 9:39 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> Devastating.
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 16, 2019, at 9:13 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > In my opinion this paragraph says it all -
>> >
>> > “ Is publishing a book in support of US Right to Protect interventions,
>> as Haymarket did, a difference of opinion, or an error? Is platforming
>> Venezuelan socialists, Marea Socialista, who met repeatedly with Juan
>> Guiado, an error? When those holding one position in the debate find
>> themselves writing in the Atlantic Council website or publishing op-eds in
>> the NYT, we are entitled to question whether we are dealing with legitimate
>> differences amongst comrades, or a performatively ‘left’ position which in
>> fact reflects the interests of those who own the NYT and the Atlantic? “
>> >
>> > David J.
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 23:13:55 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:13:55 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] War "news can never replace the need for
 independent knowledge"
Message-ID: <ACEEF626-EFA9-4182-AA76-A8E046036C4A@gmail.com>

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/07/how-the-news-about-italian-far-right-fighters-in-ukraine-got-confused.html#more

From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 23:20:06 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sic transit gloria Mueller - Ray McGovern
Message-ID: <77A65812-E38C-4CC4-83E0-5DD0FF12515C@gmail.com>

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/07/16/ray-mcgovern-sic-transit-gloria-mueller/

From jbn at forestfield.org  Wed Jul 17 00:43:09 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE on the Air #486 notes
Message-ID: <fb72f0ab-b570-62ab-856b-ed7a5524f8e1@forestfield.org>

AWARE on the Air #486
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7f6Fa9WgAc

A list of links to items referenced on the show.



James Temperton on "'Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds'. The 
story of Oppenheimer's infamous quote"
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/manhattan-project-robert-oppenheimer

Related:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test) -- Trinity (nuclear test)
https://curlie.org/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/Hinduism/Religious_Texts/Bhagavad_Gita 
-- Bhagavad Gita
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Bhagavad_Gita_(Arnold_translation) -- 
Bhagavad Gita

Noam Chomsky interviewed by Christopher Lydon
https://chomsky.info/06022017/

H. Ross Perot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot

Creel Commission (Committee on Public Information)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Public_Information
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Creel#Committee_on_Public_Information

C.G. Estabrook on "U.S. remains greatest purveyor of violence in world"
https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/guest-commentary/guest-commentary-u-s-remains-greatest-purveyor-of-violence-in/article_7e6da2ea-be56-51df-ae7c-9036440f1336.html



Belt and Road Initiative
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative

Zbigniew Brzezinski, John J. Mearsheimer on "Clash of the Titans"
https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/10/22/clash-of-the-titans/ -- which features 
"Make Money, Not War" by Zbigniew Brzezinski

Pepe Escobar on "The Peer Competitor to the US Has Now Emerged: The 
Russia-China Strategic Partnership"
https://www.checkpointasia.net/the-peer-competitor-to-the-us-has-now-emerged-the-russia-china-strategic-partnership/
https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/06/article/putin-and-xi-step-up-the-strategic-game/



Kathy Kelly on "Remnants of War"
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/07/12/remnants-war
http://vcnv.org/2019/07/12/remnants-of-war-kathy-kelly/



Apollo 11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11

Moon landing conspiracy theories
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories

Andrew Griffin on "Apollo 11 conspiracy theories: Why some people believe 
the moon landing never happened"
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/apollo-11-moon-landing-conspiracy-theories-explained-fake-hoax-a9005216.html

BBC on "Moon landing conspiracy theories aren't true - here's how we know"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/48774080



Jason Ditz on "House and Senate Head for Showdown on NDAA"
https://news.antiwar.com/2019/07/14/house-and-senate-head-for-showdown-on-ndaa/

-J

From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 01:31:01 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 20:31:01 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Consistent Life newsletter
References: <CAHDmxvq=3M-3WiimNUTjaJQnMdA_vL9tDP3mrLa2T7N_zEXJLA@mail.gmail.com>
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> 
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> A Consistent Life Ethic Message in Ireland
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>         Disability Voices for Life <http://cts.vresp.com/c/?ConsistentLife/f68423d174/7d35f57182/0db1c085ef> participated in the Irish Pro-Life March in Dublin this past weekend and displayed a banner with an unambiguously consistent-life-ethic message, as shown in the photo below. Michael O’Dowd, who carried the banner along with his son Conor, reports that the banner “evoked considerable comment and support.”    
>         Linking disability rights with protecting the preborn is a crucial connection, and Disability Voices for Life is doing vital work by making this connection and presenting it so prominently.
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> When Quakers are unFriendly
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>         CLN member group Friends Witness for a Prolife Peace Testimony <http://cts.vresp.com/c/?ConsistentLife/f68423d174/7d35f57182/ed462da10d> had an unstaffed literature table at the large Friends General Conference Gathering, June 30-July 5.
>         Early on, someone turned all flyers and the sign upside down. That was easily fixed. The next time, all flyers were piled together. Again, easily fixed, but then someone continually put back the sign pictured below. On the last evening, several young women held “pro-choice” signs outside the door where everyone came out of the cafeteria.
>         As is common, this kind of pushback sparked an unusually high number of fruitful conversations.
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> Top: Rachel MacNair at lit table; t-shirt is from CLN member group Sojourners.
> Bottom: Sign repeatedly left at the table.  
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> Seeds of Peace
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>         CLN board member Julia Smucker recently attended the flag-raising at the 27th annual Seeds of Peace camp in Otisfield, Maine, where young delegates from Pakistan, India, Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, the US and the UK are spending three weeks learning peacebuilding and leadership skills while forming relationships across national and ethnic divides.
>         Before the raising of each delegation's flag and singing of their national anthems, Seeds of Peace director Leslie Lewin reassured the delegates it was ok to experience a mix of emotions on seeing flags that may represent different things to them - both their own and others. The final flag raised was the Seeds of Peace flag, accompanied by the camp song, sung by all the delegates with great enthusiasm.
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> Life Matters Journal
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> Latest CLN Blog Post:
> Misogyny vs. Patriarchy
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>          Many use the terms “misogyny” (hatred of women) and “patriarchy” (rule of men over women) as roughly the same thing, but Rachel MacNair draws out distinctions between the two in Misogyny vs. Patriarchy <http://cts.vresp.com/c/?ConsistentLife/f68423d174/7d35f57182/7961a5ee0b>. She also shows how they relate to her long experience in the pro-life movement.     
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> Quotation of the Week
> John Eligon, New York Times columnist
> When ‘Black Lives Matter’ Is Invoked in the Abortion Debate <http://cts.vresp.com/c/?ConsistentLife/f68423d174/7d35f57182/4e12c84fb9>
> New York Times, July 6, 2019
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>         In many black communities, the abortion debate is inextricably tied to race in ways that white communities seldom confront. Social and economic disparities that are particularly challenging to African-Americans, from mass incarceration to maternal and infant mortality, are crucial parts of that discussion. . . .
>         Promoting policies that address some of the root causes of abortions by black women has become a favored approach for many
> 
>  black voters on both sides of the issue, and especially for those against abortion. From womb to tomb, they say, describing their concern for the full life span of black people.
>         “We can save a child in the womb, but we also have an environment that could kill that child,” said Cessilye Smith [pictured], a black abortion opponent in Dallas working to open a free clinic that provides pre- and postnatal care and other services for women. “They both have to be worked on equally.”
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> issue #469 07.12.19      
> Consistent Life Web Page <http://cts.vresp.com/c/?ConsistentLife/f68423d174/7d35f57182/289cc8923b>
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Jul 17 14:05:05 2019
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 09:05:05 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?How_can_we_=E2=80=9Cbreak_the_blacklist?=
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I read an interview once with an old Hollywood lefty who had lived through
the period of the Hollywood Blacklist. He said that during the blacklist,
whenever two left-liberal people in Hollywood met each other for any
reason, whether at a party, for dinner or drinks, at a wedding or a
funeral, in the grocery store, after they got “how are you, how’s the
family” out of the way, there was one question they always asked each other:

“How can we break the blacklist?”

Here’s what I want to be the case: every time two Americans who care about
Palestinian rights meet, they ask each other:

“How can we break the blacklist in Congress on Palestinian rights?”

Not _*whether*_ there’s a blacklist. Not _*why*_ there’s a blacklist. Those
questions are a waste of time. _*How can we break it?*_.

Congress is now consistently voting against the Saudi war in Yemen. But
that’s not how it was in early 2016. The war started in March 2015. The
spectacular war crimes started immediately. But virtually nobody in
Congress said boo about it for a year. The first vote was in June 2016.
Which we lost. The second vote was in September 2016. Which we lost. The
third vote was in June 2017. Which we lost. The fourth vote was in March
2018. Which we lost. The fifth vote was in December 2018. Which we won.
Now, three years after the first vote, Congress is voting consistently
against the Saudi war in Yemen. We haven’t ended the war yet. But Congress
is voting against it.

There was a blacklist in Hollywood. Then there wasn’t. There was a
blacklist in Congress on the Saudi war in Yemen. Then there wasn’t.
Somebody had to be first on the beach.

The first step to answering the question is to ask it.

How can we break the blacklist in Congress on Palestinian rights?

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Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Thu Jul 18 13:50:21 2019
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 08:50:21 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] HP: Pro-Israel [sic] Democrats Coach Presidential
 Candidates On Handling Left-Leaning Activists
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1. This piece has a friendly theme, by a friendly reporter, in a friendly
outlet. And yet the headline embodies the framing of the adversary, like
"pro-life" or "death tax." "Pro-Israel Democrats" [sic] are worried.* But
the dispute described in the text is all about the occupation. *

2. Here's how the piece describes DMFI:

The Democratic Majority for Israel, founded in January
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/us/politics/democrats-israel-palestine.html>
by
*major donors to the party* and Washington insiders, gave the candidates
suggestions on how to answer questions about pressuring the Israeli
government to end its military occupation of Palestinian lands, which dates
to 1967.

A. If you had to guess, as members of which American ethnic group do you
suppose these "major donors to the party" probably self-identify?

B. Suppose it turns out that most or all of these "major donors to the
party" self-identify as Jews. Would it be "anti-Semitic" to note that?
Isn't that relevant information for understanding the world?

C. The co-chair of DMFI associated with money is Todd Richman. Here's how
JTA describes Todd Richman
<https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/leading-dems-launch-centrist-pro-israel-faction-to-counter-lefts-influence>
:

"Todd Richman, a J.P. Morgan executive who is also a major donor to the
party"

Here's how JNS describes Todd Richman
<https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/jns/new-group-of-democrats-aims-to-counter-anti-israel-trend/article_4739e336-af76-53c0-92c0-e2db726f0197.html>
:

"acclaimed Democratic fundraiser and activist Todd Richman"

Here's his bio
<https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/all-the-aipac-bashing-is-just-not-fair/>
on his blog at the *Times of Israel* [defending AIPAC from criticism for
hosting Trump]:

"Todd Richman is a financial advisor and managing director with a firm
based in New York City. He is active in several pro-Israel and Jewish
organizations most notably AIPAC and UJA-Federation of New York. He
previously worked as a non-profit executive for such organizations as the
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the American Jewish
Congress. In the 1990s he was a Democratic consultant running and raising
money for Congressional campaigns. For his commitment to Jewish life and
community service, he was recently honored with the Robert S. Boaz Award by
UJA-Federation of New York."

Here's his bio at DMFI <https://demmajorityforisrael.org/todd-richman/>:

"Todd Richman is a top Democratic fundraiser raising money for several
Members of the House leadership and several US Senators including; Sherrod
Brown, Amy Klobuchar, Joe Manchin, and Jeanne Shaheen. Richman served as a
Democratic political consultant and worked for numerous elected officials,
including: Congressman Gary Ackerman (D-NY), Congressman Steve Rothman
(D-NJ), NY State Attorney General Robert Abrams (D-NY) and Congressman
Stephen Solarz (D-NY). Currently, Richman is a Managing Director and
Financial Advisor for a firm in New York City. Richman has served as a
delegate to the Democratic National Convention and was a John Kerry Trustee
in his 2004 bid for the Presidency. He has also led and participated in
several missions to Israel with elected officials."

These descriptions of Todd Richman are all coming from Jews who like Todd
Richman well enough, *especially Todd Richman himself*.

How can it be "anti-Semitic" to describe a man *as he proudly describes
himself*?

11/07/2019 00:52 BST | Updated 11/07/2019 08:03 BST
Pro-Israel Democrats Coach Presidential Candidates On Handling Left-Leaning
Activists
Some in the party are spooked by efforts to get the candidates to commit to
pressuring Israel to end the occupation of Palestinian lands.
By Daniel Marans, HuffPost US

A newly formed group that aims to stem growing pro-Palestinian sentiment
among Democrats sent a memo
<https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/athena/files/2019/07/10/5d264c26e4b0583e482b67d3.pdf>
to
the party’s presidential contenders on Tuesday blasting a left-leaning
Jewish group, IfNotNow, and advising the candidates on how to respond to it.

The Democratic Majority for Israel, founded in January
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/us/politics/democrats-israel-palestine.html>
by
major donors to the party and Washington insiders, gave the candidates
suggestions on how to answer questions about pressuring the Israeli
government to end its military occupation of Palestinian lands, which dates
to 1967.

Rather than focus on the occupation, Democratic Majority for Israel advises
candidates to stick to formulations that emphasize the responsibility of
both sides, including the occupied Palestinians, to act to defuse the
Israel-Palestinian conflict.

One sample answer it offers is as follows: “I strongly support a two-state
solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. That solution must give
Israelis security and Palestinians a state, but it must also be negotiated
directly by the parties, not imposed by outsiders.”

The incident that prompted the group’s alarm is a viral video of a
conversation between IfNotNow activists’ and Sen. Elizabeth Warren of
Massachusetts at one of her presidential campaign events Monday in New
Hampshire.

Two activists, Becca Lubow and Ella Parker, broached the Palestinian issue
with Warren as they waited to take a photo with her after her speech.

“We’re American Jews. We really love the way you’re fighting corruption,”
Lubow says. “We’d really love it if you pushed the Israeli government to
end the occupation.”

“Yes, yes. So I’m there,” Warren replies, before shaking both women’s hands
and posing with them for a photo.

In its memo, Democratic Majority for Israel says Warren was a “victim of
[a] hit-and-run” tactic

IfNotNow contends the Israeli government will not extricate itself from the
occupation if the U.S. government and American Jewish institutions do not
exert greater pressure on it to do so. But with most U.S. politicians in
both parties beholden to groups fighting against any additional pressure on
Israel and with American Jewish institutions responsive mainly to older,
more conservative community members, the young, liberal Jews mobilized by
IfNotNow believe that public protest is a critical way to flex the muscles
of their untapped constituency.

Democratic Majority for Israel, by contrast, touts a scenario where the
Israeli government, backed by U.S. financial aid and diplomatic cover, and
stateless Palestinians can negotiate a two-state solution on their own.

It’s memo said IfNotNow “wrongly suggests Israel alone is responsible for
the current impasse in negotiations, ignoring the fact that the Palestinian
leadership has consistently refused offers for a two-state solution.”

In seeking to discredit IfNotNow, the Democratic Majority for Israel calls
it “strongly anti-Israel organization” and insists that the group “has
refused to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist at all.”

IfNotNow leaders say they focus on ending the post-1967 occupation,
allowing its members to decide whether they believe the best approach to
ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a two-state solution where
Israel remains majority-Jewish, the creation of a bi-national state or some
other formulation.

The memo also accuses IfNotNow of a number of extreme tactics, including
prohibiting the use of a Jewish pride flag at the LGBT-rights focused D.C.
Dyke March in Washington and blocking the entrance of a synagogue at the
University of Texas.

IfNotNow leaders told HuffPost the group is a decentralized organization
that does not control the tactical decisions of individual activists and
local chapters.

Members of its Washington chapter supported a decision
<https://www.jta.org/2019/06/07/united-states/the-controversy-over-the-dc-dyke-march-jewish-stars-and-israel-explained>
to
bar the Jewish pride flag, since the march banned nationalist symbols and
the flag resembles the Israeli flag. And members of its Austin, Texas,
chapter who engaged in a song-filled protest at the university of a
Saturday event touting the morality of the Israeli military deny
<https://twitter.com/IfNotNowATX/status/1099783422388723713> that they
blocked the entrance to the gathering.

The IfNotNow leaders say the group had nothing to do with other incidents
cited in the memo, such as a demonstration at the recent conference held by
the right-wing group, Christians United for Israel, and an arrest-provoking
disruption of the Celebrate Israel Parade in New York in June. (Jewish
Voice for Peace, which takes a more hardline, left-wing approach to the
Palestinian issue, was behind the civil disobedience incident
<https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/breaking-7-jewish-activists-arrested-disruptions-celebrate-israel-parade-calling-justice-palestinians/>
at
the parade.)

Asked about the memo, Democratic Majority for Israel spokeswoman Rachel
Rosen told HuffPost, “America should not make foreign policy in response to
five-second hit-and-run questions. The memo is proof of (IfNotNow/s) callow
tactics. This group does not recognize the right of Israel to exist, in any
borders. Until they meet that very minimal threshold, they do not deserve a
place in the conversation.”

Emily Mayer, a spokeswoman for IfNotNow, said the memo was a sign that the
group’s tactics were having an impact.

“The memo made clear to me how terrified the Democratic establishment is,”
she said. “They know they are completely out of touch with the opinions of
the Democratic base on the question of Israel’s military occupation and
Israel-Palestine more broadly.”
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Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Fri Jul 19 01:42:44 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C. G. Estabrook )
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 20:42:44 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [New post] Twitter Restores Assange Activism
 Account In Response To Backlash
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Caitlin Johnstone <donotreply at wordpress.com>
> Date: July 18, 2019 at 8:24:40 PM CDT
> To: cgestabrook at gmail.com
> Subject: [New post] Twitter Restores Assange Activism Account In Response To Backlash
> 
> 
> New post on Caitlin Johnstone
> 
> 
> Twitter Restores Assange Activism Account In Response To Backlash
> by Caitlin Johnstone
> After a week of vocal protests from online supporters of Julian Assange, Twitter has reversed its unjust removal of the prominent pro-Assange activism account @Unity4J.
> 
> After the account was suspended without any explanation being presented to its operators, Assange supporters drew a clear line in the sand against internet censorship and began making a big noise that couldn't be ignored. The account's suspension drew condemnations from high-profile Assange supporters like Pink Floyd's Roger Waters, World Socialist Website, RT and Lee Camp, as well as a sustained social media campaign by grassroots supporters which included artwork, memes, and of course relentless "tagging" of Twitter Support and Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey.
> 
> Political dissidents in general, and Assange supporters in particular, can take this as a very positive sign. It cannot be denied that there is pressure being applied to new media platforms like Twitter, Facebook and Youtube to forcibly marginalize all perspectives which fall outside the ever-shrinking Overton window of approved political discourse, but it also cannot be denied that speaking out works. If enough people push back against internet censorship to make it too conspicuous and obvious, it can't happen.
> 
> We know that @twitter can and does reinstate accounts after suspension in the wake of a public outcry: @caitoz was suspended only to be reinstated after multiple journalists spoke out against it. @twittersupport @jack reinstate @Unity4J, an account that never broke Twitter rules. https://t.co/ltyGEfedcz
> 
> — Elizabeth Lea Vos (@ElizabethleaVos) July 12, 2019
> 
> Unity4J co-founder Elizabeth Lea Vos called this from the early hours of the account's suspension, tweeting, "We know that Twitter can and does reinstate accounts after suspension in the wake of a public outcry: @caitoz was suspended only to be reinstated after multiple journalists spoke out against it."
> 
> "@caitoz" is my account, which was indeed reinstated after I was suspended from Twitter for expressing political wrongthink last year. A bunch of high-profile journalists and activists helped voice objection to my unjust removal from the platform, not necessarily because they liked my work but because they understood that the direction the platform was headed posed a grave threat to all politically dissident speech.
> 
> So we see a pattern here where censorship can only happen in the unseen margins. In a society where our rulers must maintain their nice guy image of free speech and democracy, censorship only works when it's invisible. The social engineers cannot operate in an overtly totalitarian way without shattering the free democracy image and thus losing the ability to effectively propagandize the masses, without which they cannot rule. We can use this weakness of theirs to our advantage by continually ringing alarm bells and shining a spotlight on any overtly totalitarian behavior yelling "What's this? Why are you doing that? Hey everyone, come look at this weird thing they're doing!" Internet censorship in its current form can't operate under such conditions.
> 
> Though Twitter's opaque and unaccountable moderation process makes it impossible to ever know exactly what happened behind the scenes, from my own experience it's probably safe to assume that @Unity4J was conducting itself in the same way thousands of other Twitter accounts behave every single day without issue, but it got singled out (possibly via establishment-friendly mass reporting) due to its dissident political speech. Some admin ruled that if you squint at the account's behavior and the Twitter rules in just the right way, removing the account was warranted. Then a bunch of loud complaints began coming in, prompting an investigation which found that by golly, it turns out that we don't have to squint at the facts of the matter in that weird way after all. After which the account was restored.
> 
> #Unity4J Announcement
> 
> The @Unity4J Twitter Team would like to announce that we have been officially restored!
> 
> Thank you to @jack and @TwitterSupport, along with our many, many supporters around the globe for taking action to get this account restored. #FreeAssange pic.twitter.com/i6zUdQ9upA
> 
> — #Unity4J (@Unity4J) July 18, 2019
> 
> Whenever there's a spate of iron-fisted censorship from a large online platform, I see many dissidents talking about vacating that platform in favor of fringe sites with a more tolerant attitude toward dissident speech. Please do not do this. If you want to spend time on a much smaller platform like Mastodon or Minds then by all means go ahead and do so, but please remain active on large, mainstream sites as well.
> 
> Remember, the goal of all political dissent is to get dissident ideas into mainstream consciousness. If we all vacate the areas where the mainstream public are spending their time, we're doing the social engineers' job for them by quarantining ourselves to some isolated fringe sector of the internet. That's exactly what they want us to do. They want us to remove ourselves so we can't infect the mainstream herd with wrongthink.
> 
> So don't do it for them. If they're going to keep clamping down on dissident speech online, force them to do it out in the open where everyone can see. As we've just witnessed, they have a much, much harder time conducting censorship while under the light of public scrutiny.
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Jul 19 02:28:47 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 21:28:47 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [New post] Twitter Restores Assange
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 From the #Unity4J Announcement:
> The @Unity4J Twitter Team would like to announce that we have been
> officially restored!
> 
> Remember, the goal of all political dissent is to get dissident ideas
> into mainstream consciousness. If we all vacate the areas where the
> mainstream public are spending their time, we're doing the social
> engineers' job for them by quarantining ourselves to some isolated
> fringe sector of the internet. That's exactly what they want us to do.
> They want us to remove ourselves so we can't infect the mainstream herd
> with wrongthink.
> 
> So don't do it for them. If they're going to keep clamping down on
> dissident speech online, force them to do it out in the open where
> everyone can see. As we've just witnessed, they have a much, much harder
> time conducting censorship while under the light of public scrutiny.

Unity4J isn't "forcing" anything, they are still operating at the whim of 
their chosen censors -- Twitter, in this case. People posting exclusively 
to any one system (including this mailing list) are subject to being 
censored with no reliable recourse. If they were "forcing" their way, then 
it becomes hard to explain why people who want to hear from Alex Jones are 
so unsuccessful in similarly forcing the reversal of the coordinated 
censorship he recently saw.

Unity4J's interpretation of events seems to ignore what just happened to 
their account and could happen again (highlighting how impotent their 
"force" really is). Their claim doesn't get into the lack of accountability 
to the censors because they don't have the power to hold anyone 
accountable. Private interests don't owe you freedom of speech and the 
Internet's greatest triumph over free speech as a principle is that you 
can't do anything on the Internet without involving private interests.

A better approach would be to disseminate messages through multiple systems 
including one's own blog. That way no one sysadmin gets censor power over 
one's messages. If one system is somehow not available, your messages are 
still posted elsewhere. I do this for myself on 
https://digitalcitizen.info/ and I invite you to host your own blog as 
well. This widespread distribution is one of the key advantages of 
widely-circulated netnews groups (like those on Usenet) -- if one server 
won't let you post, you can find another server that will.

Unity4J could use this reprieve from Twitter censorship to let their 
readers know where else their messages can be found.

This is the philosophy being put into action by those who choose 
decentralization and posting to multiple systems. Mastodon is one such 
decentralized messaging system; it's a free software Twitter-like system 
(see https://joinmastodon.org/ for details). Mastodon is said to make it 
easy to federate with other instances of Mastodon (the "fediverse": a 
portmanteau of 'federated' and 'universe') so sets of users can have 
conversations while each users' chat is not able to be easily censored 
(except by the system hosting one's instance of Mastodon).

Mastodon's current developers aren't for free speech as a principal; see 
https://archive.fo/0JFR9 -- their ridiculous statement on Gab.com switching 
from using its own software to using Mastodon.

Quoting their announcement:
> The Mastodon community does not approve of their attempt to hijack our
> infrastructure and has already taken steps to isolate Gab and keep hate
> speech off the fediverse.

This is a baseless claim made on behalf of countless others. Any serious 
recognition of free speech has to include those who say things you don't 
agree with. That's what free speech is for. No such use of Mastodon is 
"hijacking" Mastodon any more than someone objectionable using a web server 
is "hijacking" the web; if you don't want to link to Gab.com discussions, 
then don't.

But the software they write respects your software freedom (which is the 
freedom to run, inspect, share, and modify published computer software). 
Mastodon is licensed under the GNU Affero General Public License. One can 
put aside Mastodon's wretched politics and enjoy the free software.

-J

From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Jul 19 02:37:52 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 21:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Notes
Message-ID: <16b0b660-5ea2-b071-bbe5-b5c79dd9899a@forestfield.org>

Spying: The global spy state marches forward.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Fast-Food-Drive-Throughs-May-Use-License-Plate-Readers-in-the-Near-Future-512669691.html 
-- Fast food restaurants will soon profile their drive-thru customers via 
their license plates.

Ever wonder how databases are built and maintained?

This is one method: organizations collect it, use it for unforeseeable 
purposes (I'll explain this below) and then sometimes release information 
(whether on-purpose or by accident). It hardly matters to those described 
in the data if the data is released on-purpose or not; what matters is when 
sensitive data gets out.

 From the article:
> It’s an idea that has some people concerned about privacy issues, says
> San Diego State University business ethics professor, Wendy Patrick.
> 
> “People are often very private when it comes to their dining habits.
> They don’t necessarily want all their friends and colleagues to know
> that they’re getting a Big Mac and a milkshake at the noon hour,”
> Patrick said.

This is true, and a clear illustration that people are comfortable with 
some people knowing this information -- credit card personnel, fast food 
restaurant personnel, and anyone within eyesight of the purchase -- but 
they're not interested in creating a permanent public record of this or 
having these choices affect their lives when it comes to other people's 
judgments (getting health insurance, life insurance, a job, making friends, 
and so on).

> That’s the least of it. Patrick said some consumers may worry about how
> their personal information will be used.

This is an interesting point that I think a lot of consumers and news 
organizations get wrong. The main focus today is incomplete: reports today 
will highlight how collected information can be used to build a profile on 
a customer (as shown in this article's lead picture where the current 
drive-thru customer is identified by driver's license headshot, name, and 
most commonly-ordered items), or to advertise to someone.

But the real answer to the question "how will this information be used?" 
is: nobody knows.

Part of the reason nobody knows: not even the firm collecting the data can 
tell you everything they'll do with that data in the foreseeable future 
(forget about times/dates beyond that). They may do multiple things with it 
at the same time, too many things to list out fully:
- track where people go nearby (they could aim their cameras just outside 
their own property and scan who passes by),
- predict where you'll travel given previous trips,
- anticipate your next order based on your previous order ("Would you like 
another chicken sandwich and curly fries like you ordered last week in 
Tulsa, Oklahoma at 1:10AM, visibly crying after visiting Joe's Bar?").

There could also be things firms don't want to admit they'll do with this 
data such as sell or give copies of data to others (without your knowledge 
or consent) as this helps the firm make money and establish friendly 
relations with other firms. Google has been known to give data to the US 
government to help maintain good relations.

Another part of the reason nobody knows: Nobody knows where the data will go:
- if the data gets out there's no telling what the data will be used for or 
be used by,
- if the firm changes hands (organization X buys out organization Y) the 
new organization's policies go into effect, and we don't know if they will 
be ethical.
- sometimes firms release what they call "anonymized" information -- info 
where they believe they've removed all of the uniquely identifying parts. 
But we know that doesn't work. See the famous database where reporters were 
able to turn a set of search engine queries into a specific woman looking 
up medical problems for her friends 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOL_search_data_leak).

So given what we do know about how data sharing works, that IT 
organizations do leak/publish data, the only way to prevent data describing 
you from being part of these databases is to not do business with these 
organizations in the first place. This is easier said than done but 
currently the best defense we know.





Alleged molestations are bad news for some people, not others: NBC News 
essentially collaborates with people in power to hide details of who said 
what surrounding Hillary Clinton-era State Dept. child rape and 
prostitution allegations.

https://archive.fo/GtKvC
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52184794/t/new-allegations-state-department-cover-up

 From the article:
> NBC News has obtained documents tied to ongoing investigations at the
> State Department involving eight cases of alleged misconduct by state
> department workers, contractors, and a United States ambassador. The
> incidents reportedly occurred during Hillary Clinton’s tenure, according
> to the documents.
> 
> An internal Inspector General memo from last October reported the
> ambassador under investigation “routinely ditched his protective
> security detail in order to solicit sexual favors from both prostitutes
> and minor children.” The report also states that a high-ranking official
> at the State Department directed investigators to “cease the
> investigation.”
> 
> The ambassador, whom NBC News has chosen not to identify, denied all
> allegations.
> 
> While refusing to comment on the specific investigations, a state
> department spokesperson said “the notion that we would not vigorously
> pursue criminal misconduct in a case, in any case, is preposterous.”

With so few details and names identified, is NBC News really news?




Economy/Exploitation: The "gig economy" continues exploiting the poor via 
"Mechanical Turk" from Amazon.com backed by the familiar refrain of the 
workers being "independent contractors".

https://thehustle.co/making-money-on-amazon-mechanical-turk/ -- How much 
can one make from Amazon's "Mechanical Turk"?

Mechanical Turk ("MTurk") is a job board hosted by Amazon where users pick 
which menial task (called a "HIT" for "Human Intelligence Task") they want 
to do and then get paid some small amount of money for doing that work. All 
of the HITs are tasks that can be done on one's computer and remotely.

 From the article:
> These HITs are typically things that computers and algorithms can’t
> quite handle yet — everything from psychological surveys to the
> identification of NSFW images.
> 
> A large percentage of the requesters who post these tasks are academic
> researchers with limited budgets, and tech companies looking to compile
> human-cultured data that can be fed to AI algorithms.
> 
> When a worker logs into her MTurk dashboard, she sees a list of 
> available HITs, who they’re offered by, the deadline, and the pay. She 
> might choose to transcribe a receipt ($0.01), summarize a block of text 
> ($0.35), or take a behavioral economics survey ($1).
> 
> Some HITs take 10 minutes and pay out $1 (a $6/hour pay rate); others
> call for 5 minutes and pay $0.10 ($1.20/hour). Requesters have control
> over the rates they choose to set — and Amazon takes a 20%-45% cut of
> each transaction.

Who are these workers (called "Turkers")?

> Turkers skew young (77% fall between the ages of 18-37), educated (70%
> have a B.A. or higher), and slightly female (51%). Despite an uptick in
> foreign users over the past few years, the majority of them (75%) are
> based in the US.
> 
> These workers also tend to suffer economically.
> 
> One in 3 Turkers is unemployed, and the average Turker reports a
> household income of ~$47k per year ($12k below the US national average).
> In a 2016 Pew survey, 25% of Turkers said they used MTurk because they
> lacked other available opportunities.
> 
> But recent data shows that Amazon isn’t doing most Turkers any favors.
> 
> A 2018 academic study analyzed 3.8m tasks completed by 2,676 workers on
> MTurk and found that average earnings through the platform amounted to
> $2 per hour. Only 4% of all workers earned more than the federal minimum
> wage of $7.25/hour.
>
> Because Turkers are independent contractors, they are not safeguarded by
> most labor protections, including minimum wage laws.

So the Turkers are getting exploited because they are paid so little, but 
it gets worse:

> The amount they earn on MTurk is determined almost entirely on their
> ability to: A) Secure as many “higher-paying” (i.e. minimum wage +)
> tasks as possible, and B) Complete them as fast as possible within the
> bounds of what requesters will accept. If the job isn’t completed
> satisfactorily, it can be rejected without pay.

Who gets the HITs?

> Roughly 80% of all tasks on the site are completed by just 20% of
> Turkers, who use a suite of tools and browser extensions, optimizing
> every move.

And HITs go quickly -- 5 seconds after an attractive posting is made, it is 
taken by someone else. It pays to reload the page often and have a browser 
with an add-on to help locate sufficiently attractive jobs rather than 
looking for them by manually scanning the job list.

Continuing from the article:

> [MTurk worker Mike] Naab Turks [works on MTurk] during short gaps in his
> day: A 30-minute lunch break may mean a few $1.25 Stanford studies. A
> 10-minute lull between meetings is a $2 psychological survey on
> chocolate. A 30-second stretch could net him $0.08 for a 1-question poll
> on the effectiveness of candle scents.
> 
> “Most of it is just filling in empty [space] in the day — time I’d
> probably be wasting otherwise,” he says. “If you’re not doing anything
> anyway, it’s just bonus money.”
> 
> One downside of this logic is that it promotes a constant, break-less
> cycle of work. To maintain a decent wage, Naab must be constantly alert,
> always tuned in, and willing to spring to action at the “ding!” of a
> $0.50 HIT.
> 
> Another downside is the uneven flow of the work. Some days, Naab might
> make $50 in a few hours; other days, he’ll only pull in a few bucks.
> 
> “I look at it from an hourly rate standpoint, rather than what I make
> total,” he says. “If a HIT takes 15 minutes and pays $3, that’s a $12
> pay rate, which isn’t bad.”

But that's precisely what no Turker can afford to do -- the work isn't 
steady and reliable enough to be able to plan ahead.



Labor: "Disney heiress ‘livid’ after going to one of her family’s theme 
parks undercover"

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/disney-heiress-livid-after-going-to-one-of-her-familys-theme-parks-undercover-2019-07-15 
-- Abigail Disney said distressed workers told her about ‘foraging for food 
in other people’s garbage’

Abigail Disney is Roy Disney's granddaughter who co-founded the Disney 
company with his brother Walt Disney.

> She does not have an active role in the company. Disney said that her
> grandfather would not approve of the current working conditions at the
> parks he helped create.
> 
> She added that, “these people are much of the recipe for success …. when
> my grandfather worked there, he hired people there to have a job for
> life.”
> 
> This isn’t the first time that Abigail Disney has criticized how the
> Mickey Mouse company and its CEO, Bob Iger, are treating its lowest-paid
> employees. The Walt Disney Co. employs more than 200,000 people
> worldwide.
> 
> In April, she said that Iger’s $65 million pay package is “insane” at a
> Fast Company Impact Council discussion of “human capitalism,” noting his
> compensation is 1,424 times that of the median Disney employee. She also
> told CNBC that “Jesus Christ himself isn’t worth 500 times his median
> worker’s pay.”
> 
> A 2018 survey conducted by on behalf of a group of unions found that
> nearly three-quarters of full- and part-time employees (73%) said that
> they didn’t earn enough money working at Disneyland Resort to pay for
> basic expenses each month. More than half were worried about being
> evicted, and about one-tenth reported being homeless in the previous two
> years.
> 
> Disney, whose own net worth is $120 million, joined a group of 19
> ultrawealthy Americans, including George Soros, who signed an open
> letter to the 2020 presidential candidates last month calling for a
> moderate wealth tax on the richest 1% to help reduce inequality. She
> recently told The Cut that she has donated $70 million to charity over
> the past 30 years.
> 
> She also told Yahoo in the new interview that she’d emailed Iger her
> concerns, telling him he was “a great CEO by any measure, perhaps even
> the greatest CEO in the country right now,” and urging him to “be known
> as the guy who led to a better place, because that is what you have the
> power to do.” She said she was referred to the HR department.
> 
> The Walt Disney Co. responded in an email statement to MarketWatch that
> the company offers a starting minimum wage of $15 an hour, as well as
> free education opportunities, and healthcare benefits for hourly workers
> starting at $6 a week.
> 
> “Our Disney Aspire initiative is the most comprehensive employee
> education program in the country, covering 100% of all tuition costs,
> books and fees so our hourly workers can pursue higher education free of
> charge, and graduate free of debt. Under Bob Iger’s leadership, Disney
> has made an initial commitment of $150 million to fund this program in
> the first five years, and will continue to make significant investments
> to make Disney Aspire available to as many employees as possible,” the
> statement continued. “Disney also provides flexible schedules and
> subsidized childcare to make it easier for employees to take advantage
> of this opportunity — and we’re proud that more than 40% of our
> 88,000-plus hourly employees have already signed up to participate.”

There is nothing in the article on why such necessary things (healthcare, 
education, money to live) are being left to the private interests to choose 
to fund in the first place.



Labor: Amazon workers strike on 2019-07-15 (so-called "Prime Day" when 
goods on amazon.com go on sale)

https://qz.com/1666429/amazon-prime-day-2019-sees-workers-striking-around-the-world/

> [...] workers at its fulfillment centers around the US continue to complain of extremely odious[1] quotas, limited bathroom breaks[2], mandatory holiday shifts[3], and the need for pain medication[4] just to get through their 10-hour work days.

[1] 
https://gawker.com/inside-an-amazon-warehouse-the-relentless-need-to-mak-1780800336
[2] 
https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/16/17243026/amazon-warehouse-jobs-worker-conditions-bathroom-breaks
[3] https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-describe-peak-2019-2
[4] 
https://www.inquirer.com/news/working-amazon-warehouse-fulfillment-center-emily-guendelsberger-on-the-clock-20190709.html

Strike action locations:
> Shakopee, Minnesota fulfillment center will be walking out during a
> six-hour period that overlaps with the end of the facility’s morning
> shift and the start of its evening shift. There are about 1,500
> full-time employees at the facility, according to the Daily Beast[1].

[1] 
https://www.thedailybeast.com/amazon-warehouse-workers-in-minnesota-strike-on-prime-day

> Germany: Hundreds of employees at seven facilities will be striking
> today and tomorrow, over longstanding issues with employee pay. “While
> Amazon holds a giant Prime-Day bargain hunt, employees are deprived of a
> living wage,” Orhan Akman, a representative from the German labor union
> Ver.di, said in a statement shared with Quartz.

> The UK: The GMB trade union will be staging protests at Amazon
> facilities across the country. Some of the most shocking accounts issues
> of issues faced by Amazon warehouse workers have come out of the UK. One
> undercover writer said they witnessed co-workers urinating in bottles to
> avoid missing quotas by taking bathroom breaks.
> 
> Still, the GMB isn’t calling on customers to boycott the online retailer
> during Prime Day. “We’re not calling for economic damage for Amazon,”
> Mick Rix, a union officer told the BBC. “What we’re asking for is for
> people to be aware. Leave feedback on Amazon.”
> 
> “Amazon workers want Jeff Bezos to know they are people—not robots,” Rix
> said in a statement shared with Quartz. “It is time that Jeff showed
> empathy with the very people that have helped to contribute to his vast
> and increasing personal fortune.”

> Elsewhere in Europe Workers in Spain and Poland will also be organizing
> demonstrations at Amazon facilities across their countries throughout
> the week.

> There will also be protests in the US this week in support of Amazon’s
> warehouse workers, as well as to call out the company’s dealings with
> the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) division. Workers at
> Amazon itself have called on the company to cut ties with ICE.
> Demonstrations will take place in New York, San Francisco, Shakopee,
> Portland, Amazon’s home base in Seattle, as well as other cities.


Labor: Airport workers prepare strike after 31 years on the job at $12/hr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbLQdJ6cf6k -- The Real News video
https://therealnews.com/stories/after-31-years-on-the-job-at-12-an-hour-airport-workers-prepare-to-strike 
-- transcript might appear here later.

All of the Amazon worker complaints we've heard about (being injured by 
robots, replaced with robot labor, forced to work without adequate bathroom 
breaks resulting in urinating in bottles while working, etc.) are raised 
here. Shifting money from one set of Amazon workers to others (in the 
so-called 'raise' which really wasn't a raise for those whose )




War: Sanctions are the means of attacking some countries instead of 
missiles and bombs, but sanctions are plenty deadly.

The Real News has a 3-part report on sanctions that are well worth watching 
or reading:

Venezuela:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzm2g8ZbORU -- video
https://therealnews.com/series/war-by-other-means-understanding-and-challenging-u-s-sanctions-policies 
-- transcript might appear here later

Iran:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO7u0742lf4 -- video
https://therealnews.com/stories/war-by-other-means-understanding-and-challenging-u-s-sanctions-against-iran-2-3 
-- transcript might appear here later

Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMBHtIXMeWk -- video
https://therealnews.com/stories/war-by-other-means-understanding-and-challenging-u-s-sanctions-against-russia-3-3 
-- transcript might appear here later




Assange: CNN alleges that RT staffers were seen visiting Assange in the 
Ecuadorian embassy and that RT was too good at reporting on WikiLeaks' 
publications to not have been involved in somehow helping Assange acquire 
the documents but there's no evidence to back up CNN's claims.

https://archive.fo/X0kFx -- archive copy in case CNN changes their claims, 
pulls the article, etc.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/assange-embassy-exclusive-documents/ -- 
source CNN article.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yntLTi1KWEk -- times when CNN interviewed 
Assange several times. Does this mean CNN helped Assange procure documents 
or bring CNN into ill repute (with no evidence)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CbU_IZ_kJc -- RT analysis of CNN's claims 
against RT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK_q3xAfYTc -- RT analysis of CNN's claims 
against RT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ex0S8JqZy8 -- Meanwhile, CNN's ratings 
continue to sink.




Venezuela: US attacks against Venezuela continue even as coup fails -- 
according to an internal memo, $41.9 million in so-called "aid" earmarked 
for Honduras & Guatemala will instead go to the Guaidó-led opposition in 
Venezuela (unelected Venezuelan so-called government).

The US is losing their coup but the US keeps pumping money into the coup 
effort in order to gain control of Venezuela and thus its oil (the largest 
known oil reserves in the world). John Bolton has already told Fox News the 
truth about this coup: he thinks it would be great to see Venezuelan oil 
under American companies' control.

https://www.kff.org/news-summary/trump-administration-to-divert-more-than-40m-in-humanitarian-aid-from-central-american-nations-to-support-venezuelas-opposition/
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/trump-administration-diverts-central-america-aid-to-us-backed-opposition-in-venezuela/
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-07-16/usaid-diverting-humanitarian-aid-to-political-opposition-in-venezuela 
-- many organizations reporting on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUu5YQCurgQ -- RT's report including Sarah 
Flounders reaction.

LA Times and many others report:
> The memo, dated July 11 and obtained by The Times, is a notification to
> Congress from the U.S. Agency for International Development that the
> money is going to Venezuela in response to an “exigent” crisis involving
> U.S. “national interest.”

It's also interesting that despite the US government's explicit 
instruction, even corporate media isn't obeying their instruction to call 
Guaidó the Venezuelan president. Instead he's (rightly) called "opposition 
leader".

> Sarah Flounders: Such funds are never used for humanitarian development,
> for humanitarian needs, or aid anywhere in the world. USAID money is
> always for political purposes. Now, a portion of this USAID money is
> going to Venezuela to further support a US-backed coup attempt which
> they failed to carry out. This is all-out intervention. The seizure of
> Venezuela's funds, the creation of hyperinflation, the sanctions where
> Venezuela can't sell its own products, its own bank accounts are stolen,
> this is piracy. It's highway robbery. And this is what the US government
> is involved in.
And RT's report also covers the piracy off the coast of Venezuela & 
Trinidad and Tobago which appear to be preferred trade routes for cocaine 
and heroin conveyance.





Democrats: Democratic 2020 presidential candidate Kamala Harris doesn't 
like Medicare for All, joins Biden in that respect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIzTIsX-eHs -- SecularTalk on how BidenCare 
(Biden's healthcare plan) would lead to 125,000 deaths from lack of healthcare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OvkXiD6_HM -- Kamala Harris showing she 
doesn't like Medicare for All either.

The Democrats are handing you reasons why you can't trust them: when they 
had a majority in both houses of Congress and the presidency they could 
have passed HR 676 into law. They chose not to bring HR 676 up for voting.

This was not an accident.

Dems get HMO funding, and any proper Medicare for All bill would relegate 
HMOs to covering medically unnecessary work and prohibiting any HMO from 
competing with Medicare for All. But the Dems need to look like they care 
about their would-be voters' healthcare needs and respond to a clear 
majoritarian issue: widespread support for Medicare for All.

They can't do this without lying (as Joe Biden does) or outright claiming 
that some Dem candidate simply doesn't support Medicare for All.

Another avenue to denying the US public Medicare for All has surfaced: 
rebrand some weaker plan as "Medicare for All" and then offer that as a 
bill (which also possibly never comes up for a vote). That seems to be what 
Sen. Bernie Sanders is offering in his S 1129 bill (Sanders' Medicare for 
All bill) and Rep. Pramila Jayapal offers in her HR 1384 bill.

So Biden and Harris aren't doing anything new in objecting to Medicare for 
All, and there's no clear reason to favor Democrats (particularly the 
Democrats were told are 'leading the pack' of presidential hopefuls for 2020).

Related: "BidenCare" receives no critique from corporate comedian John 
Oliver but "TrumpCare" sure did.

As I pointed out in 
https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/24/comedians-as-sycophants-samantha-bee-john-oliver-and-the-democrats/ 
-- my article about corporate comedians including how John Oliver was 
tacitly stumping for Hillary Clinton in 2016 by remaining silent about her 
campaign while scrutinizing her competition -- Oliver warned us to "get 
ready for a barely-changed version of Obamacare called 'Trumpcare'". This 
was a ridiculous complaint in two senses:

1. Oliver was promoting ObamaCare as if it were a good thing. Oliver 
claimed that Pres. Trump is so egotistical he would basically rename the 
ACA (colloquially known as "Obamacare") to "Trumpcare" and keep the policy 
basically the same. There was no sign it would have happened and, in fact, 
it did not happen. But if it had happened, why would this be a problem for 
someone promoting Obamacare (as Oliver was)? As I said in late 2016, 
"People who depend on ‘Obamacare’ would rightly tell Oliver that learning a 
new colloquial name is a small price to pay for keeping the majority of the 
plan they want to keep.". As it turns out, people are quite keen on dumping 
whatever private plan they have now in favor of adopting Medicare for All 
just like they were in 2016.

2. "Bidencare" appears to be the accepted colloquial name for Joe Biden's 
inchoate HMO-centric healthcare plan (that is so bad he has to lie about 
Medicare for All in order to make Bidencare seem reasonable per 
https://jacobinmag.com/2019/07/biden-health-care-medicare-for-all ). 
Ultimately Bidencare is aimed at doing the same job as Obamacare did: 
forestall Medicare for All adoption for at least another 4 years. But 
there's no sign of complaint from corporate comics.

-J

From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Jul 19 22:22:34 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:22:34 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune #429 notes
Message-ID: <ee30ed07-52ee-f51b-2f0a-5887bb37df5f@forestfield.org>

News from Neptune #429
A "True Crimes" edition
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKR--PYPZKM

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

This show began with a version of a comment from C. G. Estabrook posted to 
Shelley Washburne Masar's Facebook page which she deleted.
https://www.facebook.com/shelley.masar

Rob Urie on "The Blob Fought the Squad, and the Squad Won"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/19/the-blob-fought-the-squad-and-the-squad-won/

"Black Marxism: The Making of the Black Radical Tradition" by Cedric Robinson
ISBN-13: 978-0807848296
ISBN-10: 0807848298
Complete book:
https://libcom.org/files/Black%20Marxism-Cedric%20J.%20Robinson.pdf
https://libcom.org/files/cedric-robinson-black-marxism-the-making-of-the-black-radical-tradition.epub
https://libcom.org/files/cedric-robinson-black-marxism-the-making-of-the-black-radical-tradition.mobi

Related:
https://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/ -- 
Adolph Reed on "Identity Politics Is Neoliberalism"

Seneca Falls Convention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_Falls_Convention

C.G. Estabrook on "All human life deserves respect"
https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letter-to-the-editor-all-human-life-deserves-respect/article_3de69788-bf17-57d2-9156-0fe029f477d3.html

David Underhill on "The Inequality of Equal Pay"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/19/the-inequality-of-equal-pay/

Universal Basic Income (UBI)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

Fran Lebowitz on for New York City mayor and billionaire Michael Bloomberg:
> I object to people who are rich in politics. I don't think they should
> be allowed to be in politics. It is bad that rich people are in
> politics, it is bad for everybody but rich people, and rich people don't
> need any more help. Whenever people say, "Oh, he earned his money
> himself," I always say the same thing: "No one earns a billion dollars.
> People earn $10 an hour, people steal a billion dollars.
Thomas B. Edsall on "Integration vs. White Intransigence: Separate has 
never been equal."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/17/opinion/integration-politics.html

Jeffrey St. Clair on "Roaming Charges: Big Man, Pig Man"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/19/roaming-charges-big-man-pig-man/

Notes from J.B. Nicholson
https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-July/051055.html

Julie Wurth articles for the News-Gazette
https://www.news-gazette.com/users/profile/julie%20wurth/

Everett Dirksen on "A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon, you're 
talking real money."
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Everett_Dirksen
https://web.archive.org/web/20140127115225/http://www.dirksencenter.org:80/print_emd_billionhere.htm

Other people claim they heard Dirksen said it on The Tonight Show but The 
Dirksen Center says:
> Update, May 25, 2004. A gentleman who called The Center with a reference
> question relayed that he sat by Dirksen on a flight once and asked him
> about the famous quote. Dirksen replied, "Oh, I never said that. A
> newspaper fella misquoted me once, and I thought it sounded so good that
> I never bothered to deny it."
Violent death rates in the US compared to those of the other high-income 
countries, 2015 by Erin Grinshteyn, David Hemenway
Preventive Medicine Volume 123, June 2019, Pages 20-26
2015 article:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743519300659
2010 article:
https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/fulltext
https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/pdf

-J

From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 10:05:35 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 05:05:35 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Cui bono a rei publicae? Who profits from politics?
Message-ID: <636342A4-353D-4FF3-A12A-0983B747E086@gmail.com>

A Facebook interlocutor observed this week that politics in America is now about sex and race.

The people who run the country are glad of that of course, because it distracts from the more dangerous topics of war and the environment.

The ruling class make their money from war and the environment (the military-industrial complex and industrial pollution), so they don't want them to be topics of debate and perhaps alteration. But they don't have so much invested - literally and figuratively - in sex and race. Let the battle rage.

It's the triumph of identity politics over class politics that sees discrimination (of all sorts) to be the fundamental problem of our society, rather than exploitation (of people and land).
From the point of view of our rulers, the former can be vigorously addressed; but not the latter.

—CGE

From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 19:30:25 2019
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:30:25 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Cui bono a rei publicae? Who profits from
 politics?
In-Reply-To: <636342A4-353D-4FF3-A12A-0983B747E086@gmail.com>
References: <636342A4-353D-4FF3-A12A-0983B747E086@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyHhQdTKyCHyL2j36Ww-K8Pm-J4UVOpsBxgPBem3Qik+Kw@mail.gmail.com>

Thus an informative column such as Sundiata Cha-Jua published this morning,
with exactly the wrong conclusion:

SUNDIATA CHA-JUA: REAL TALK: A BLACK PERSPECTIVE

The Red Summer of 1919: The past as future?

The Association for the Study of African American History is commemorating two
of the most defining moments in African-American and United States
histories.

The first and most significant is the 400th anniversary of the forcible
importation, not immigration, of the first 20 Africans into what became the
United States.

The second is less known.

Yet it, too, marks a transformative moment.

This year is also the centennial of the Red Summer of 1919. That outpouring
of racial terrorism constituted the worse series of domestic disturbances
in U.S. history.

Its centenary should force a more sober look at U.S. society. We can learn
much from an analysis of the Red Summer. That bloodstained era offers a
biopsy of the white American body politic.

Indeed, given the character of contemporary politics and President Donald
Trump’s commitment to fomenting racial hatred, it is essential that we
revisit that bloody episode in U.S. history.

NAACP Field Secretary James Weldon Johnson coined the term “the Red Summer”
to highlight the goriness of that moment’s indiscriminate terrorist
assaults. The Red Summer extended beyond thesummer time frame. It began on
Feb. 8 and ended Oct 2. It was truly national in scope.

The orgies of racially motivated violence stretched from Connecticut to
Texas. Scholars count 43 African-Americans lynched and three dozen racial
pogroms during the Red Summer.

The racial pogroms were caused by multiple factors.

Some were due to longstanding structural elements, while others were
spontaneous and resulted from individual whites’ determination to humiliate
black individuals.

The era’s racial violence was sparked by racial oppression, rapid World War
I demobilization, economic competition over jobs, housing and access to
municipal services, labor struggles, discriminatory policing, perpetuation
of anti-black lies and stereotypes, fear of socialism, and racist
manipulation by politicians.

The assailants were predominately young white men, but assaulters crossed
class, generation and gender lines.

Mobs consisted of military personnel, police officers, businessmen,
laborers and politicians.

President Woodrow Wilson exasperated racial antagonisms. He labeled
returning black soldiers “un-American.”

In March 1919, at the beginning of the epidemic of racial terrorism, Wilson
alleged, “the American Negro returning from abroad would be our greatest
medium for conveying Bolshevism to America.”

The Wilson regime considered blacks’ struggles for justice a communist plot.

As rampaging white mobs assaulted black communities, the federal government
waged war on African-American racial justice organizations and media.

In Charleston, S.C., on May 10-11, the terrorist outburst was initiated by
a confrontation between a black civilian and a white sailor. Instead of
giving way as “southern etiquette” demanded, he shoved the white sailor off
the sidewalk. That confrontation culminated in white sailors shooting up
the black community, burning African-American-owned businesses, injuring 18
people and murdering one person.

Forty white men initiated the Port Arthur, Texas, pogrom (July 15) when
they attacked an African-American man on a streetcar for allegedly smoking
in the presence of a white woman. Twenty black men rebuffed the white mob.

The two worst pogroms occurred in Chicago and Elaine, Ark. The underlying
causes in Chicago included housing issues, labor struggles, political
manipulation and apartheid. Adult white men stoned Eugene Williams, a black
teenager, after his raft drifted across the invisible color line at the
beach. He drowned trying to reach the shore.

Chicago was a conflagration as African-Americans battled invading whites
throughout the city. Inaugurating the “drive by,” white gangsters
indiscriminately shot into black-occupied homes from speeding vehicles.
They systematicallyburned black neighborhoods, leaving 1,000
African-Americans homeless.

Overall, 38 people were killed, 23 African-Americans and 15 whites, and 537
people were injured, two-thirds of them black.

If Chicago was a battle, Elaine, Ark., was a massacre.

Veteran Robert L. Hill organized black tenant farmers, sharecroppers and
domestic workers into the Progressive Farmers and Household Union of
America. The PFHUA posed a simple question, “The union wants to know why it
is that the laborers cannot control their just earnings, which they work
for.”

PFHUA members injured a deputy sheriff and killed a security guard after
they fired on a union meeting on Sept.

30. In response, the sheriff unleashed a posse of about 1,000 white men on
black residents.

Claiming the PFHUA was “heavily armed” and was “spreading communism,” on
Oct. 2, Gov. Charles Brough sent 500 troops. Gov. Brough charged them “to
shoot to kill any negro who refused to surrender immediately.” The troops
joined the mob in indiscriminately massacring African- Americans. Nearly
240 blacks were slaughtered, 285 arrested, 12 executed and 65 incarcerated
for 21 years.

All of the racial pogroms resulted from anti-black racial animosity. All
were initiated by whites and involved white terrorist mobs invading,
plundering, raping, murdering and massacring black people in an orgy of
white supremacist violence.

Nonetheless, the Red Summer was transformative; it was a turning point for
African- Americans. It signaled the end to the era of accommodation. Claude
McKay’s poem “If We Must Die” urged armed resistance and launched the
Harlem Renaissance. Blacks’ staunch resistance prevented racial terrorism
from discouraging the Great Migration to the urban North.

The Red Summer reminds us that political leadership played a crucial role
in instigating mass racial terrorism.

Trump’s rhetoric not only echoes Wilson’s but is even more provocative. Are
we on the precipice of mass white supremacist violence?

Sundiata Cha-Jua is a professor of African-American studies and history at
the University of Illinois and is a member of the North End Breakfast Club.
His email is schajua@ gmail.com.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 5:06 AM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> A Facebook interlocutor observed this week that politics in America is now
> about sex and race.
>
> The people who run the country are glad of that of course, because it
> distracts from the more dangerous topics of war and the environment.
>
> The ruling class make their money from war and the environment (the
> military-industrial complex and industrial pollution), so they don't want
> them to be topics of debate and perhaps alteration. But they don't have so
> much invested - literally and figuratively - in sex and race. Let the
> battle rage.
>
> It's the triumph of identity politics over class politics that sees
> discrimination (of all sorts) to be the fundamental problem of our society,
> rather than exploitation (of people and land).
> From the point of view of our rulers, the former can be vigorously
> addressed; but not the latter.
>
> —CGE
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From moboct1 at aim.com  Wed Jul 24 13:19:06 2019
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 13:19:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump this:  Boorish Johnson B.P. and #45,
 toxic partners (but not for long?)
References: <1096405777.6042760.1563974346216.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1096405777.6042760.1563974346216@mail.yahoo.com>

Brexit could mean (finally) Irish reunification and Scottish independence MO'B
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Wed Jul 24 16:28:38 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump this:  Boorish Johnson B.P. and #45,
 toxic partners (but not for long?)
In-Reply-To: <1096405777.6042760.1563974346216@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1096405777.6042760.1563974346216.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1096405777.6042760.1563974346216@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0053DF6B-E98B-47B9-ACE2-5CBC92891228@gmail.com>

Perhaps the best outcome (along with a socialist England), but unlikely?


> On Jul 24, 2019, at 8:19 AM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Brexit could mean (finally) Irish reunification and Scottish independence
>  
> MO'B
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss


From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Wed Jul 24 18:34:24 2019
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 13:34:24 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] UIUC/state employees,
 beware of how you use your work e-mail
Message-ID: <510bc497-44c0-cc1f-0842-b0345746060a@gmail.com>

FYI to University and other State employees - be 'ware of how you use
your work e-mail.

Yesterday I received a Freedom-of-Information-Act request, which an
"opposition research" company had sent to the University FOIA office.  
It asked whether Stuart Levy had sent any e-mails related to Ilhan Omar
between Feb 1st and mid-July.

With my UIUC e-mail, I hadn't sent any, and likewise for the (very few)
work-related e-mails I'd sent using my personal gmail -- so the answer
was No.

I've asked my coworkers - none of them has received such a FOIA
request.   If you hear from anyone else who got a similar req, please
let us all know.    It'd be interesting if we can guess how they're
singling out particular people.

The people making the request were from America Rising, which Wikipedia
describes as an opposition research group against Dems.   They've also
dug for dirt on USEPA employees who don't toe the Trump line.  
Presumably here they are looking for academics supporting the best
members of Congress - maybe for the purposes of discrediting
academia.    In short I assume they're trying to intimidate us into
shutting ourselves up.

(The guy who wrote to the UIUC FOIA office was one Allan Blutstein,
their "Senior VP for FOIA operations" -- they make an industry of these
requests.)

    Stuart




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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Wed Jul 24 19:03:41 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:03:41 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] UIUC/state employees,
 beware of how you use your work e-mail
In-Reply-To: <510bc497-44c0-cc1f-0842-b0345746060a@gmail.com>
References: <510bc497-44c0-cc1f-0842-b0345746060a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01F55238-017A-49B7-A174-DDF92FF94405@gmail.com>

Did you think you were required to answer the question, or could you just not answer?


> On Jul 24, 2019, at 1:34 PM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> FYI to University and other State employees - be 'ware of how you use your work e-mail.
> 
> Yesterday I received a Freedom-of-Information-Act request, which an "opposition research" company had sent to the University FOIA office.   It asked whether Stuart Levy had sent any e-mails related to Ilhan Omar between Feb 1st and mid-July.
> 
> With my UIUC e-mail, I hadn't sent any, and likewise for the (very few) work-related e-mails I'd sent using my personal gmail -- so the answer was No.
> 
> I've asked my coworkers - none of them has received such a FOIA request.   If you hear from anyone else who got a similar req, please let us all know.    It'd be interesting if we can guess how they're singling out particular people.
> 
> The people making the request were from America Rising, which Wikipedia describes as an opposition research group against Dems.   They've also dug for dirt on USEPA employees who don't toe the Trump line.   Presumably here they are looking for academics supporting the best members of Congress - maybe for the purposes of discrediting academia.    In short I assume they're trying to intimidate us into shutting ourselves up.
> 
> (The guy who wrote to the UIUC FOIA office was one Allan Blutstein, their "Senior VP for FOIA operations" -- they make an industry of these requests.)
> 
>     Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss


From jbn at forestfield.org  Wed Jul 24 23:18:36 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:18:36 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE on the Air #487 notes
Message-ID: <ffc335fb-125b-be9e-ad91-45a578ace6b3@forestfield.org>

AWARE on the Air #487
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liWRv15sufU

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

Andre Vltchek on "Reason Why the West is Determined to Ignore China’s Success"
https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/17/reason-why-west-is-determined-to-ignore-china-s-success/

Related: "China and Ecological Civilization" John B. Cobb, Jr. in 
conversation with Andre Vltchek
ISBN 978-6025095450



Susan McWilliams on "The True and Only Lasch: On 'The True and Only 
Heaven', 25 Years Later"
https://isi.org/intercollegiate-review/the-true-and-only-laschbr-on-ithe-true-and-only-heaven-i-25-years-later/

Which concludes:
> In our own time, when the noise of progressivism is louder than
> ever—often represented, among other ways, in the understandable but
> naive claims that the world has changed fundamentally during the past
> twenty-five years—it is a better time than ever to turn and return to
> The True and Only Heaven, to dive below the distracting noise of the
> moment and consider the greater currents upon which we are carried. In
> doing so, we may also ensure that the challenges Lasch set for himself
> were not undertaken in vain, and that he may continue to help us tie
> present to past.


Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad"
https://public.wsu.edu/~campbelld/amlit/celest.htm
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/512 -- Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The 
Celestial Railroad" in various formats.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNyckZdNoQw -- "On Contact with Chris 
Hedges"; Chris Hedges interviews Kerry-Anne Mendoza

-J

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 25 14:43:54 2019
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:43:54 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE on the Air #487 notes
In-Reply-To: <ffc335fb-125b-be9e-ad91-45a578ace6b3@forestfield.org>
References: <ffc335fb-125b-be9e-ad91-45a578ace6b3@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <SN6PR08MB6077620E92D2A45597BFFF8CA3C10@SN6PR08MB6077.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Again, thank you to J.B. Nicholson for placing programs and links on the Peace List, for all to view with ease. 

I especially liked Carl’s reading of the Andre Vltchek article related to China. While Andre goes a little overboard  painting China as Utopia, it is a perfect contrast to the usual propaganda received from western media, which includes Al Jazeera. China is making progress in all areas.

I am especially fond of Vltchek, not because his writing is often beautifully poetic, but because he has a very sharp eye. He did an article on Thailand about six years ago, which impressed me, given his very astute analysis unlike so much of the propaganda we usually see in relation to the politics of this US aircraft carrier in SE Asia. He didn’t do what most journalists do, including those who live there, or reside in the region, focus on receiving their information from western embassy personnel, locals whether Thai or expat, or worse yet, the Foreign Correspondents Club. 

 Having lived in that nation for twenty two years, I knew what we were being told wasn’t real, but was only able to discover upon doing the research and discussions with Thai exiles, residing in the US due to their politics. The problems related to poverty and exploitation have existed in Thailand for decades even century’s, but very few see it for what it is, focusing on palace intrigue and Party politics. Little different than here.

> On Jul 24, 2019, at 16:18, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> AWARE on the Air #487
> Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liWRv15sufU
> 
> A list of links to items referenced on the show.
> 
> Andre Vltchek on "Reason Why the West is Determined to Ignore China’s Success"
> https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/17/reason-why-west-is-determined-to-ignore-china-s-success/
> 
> Related: "China and Ecological Civilization" John B. Cobb, Jr. in conversation with Andre Vltchek
> ISBN 978-6025095450
> 
> 
> 
> Susan McWilliams on "The True and Only Lasch: On 'The True and Only Heaven', 25 Years Later"
> https://isi.org/intercollegiate-review/the-true-and-only-laschbr-on-ithe-true-and-only-heaven-i-25-years-later/
> 
> Which concludes:
>> In our own time, when the noise of progressivism is louder than
>> ever—often represented, among other ways, in the understandable but
>> naive claims that the world has changed fundamentally during the past
>> twenty-five years—it is a better time than ever to turn and return to
>> The True and Only Heaven, to dive below the distracting noise of the
>> moment and consider the greater currents upon which we are carried. In
>> doing so, we may also ensure that the challenges Lasch set for himself
>> were not undertaken in vain, and that he may continue to help us tie
>> present to past.
> 
> 
> Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad"
> https://public.wsu.edu/~campbelld/amlit/celest.htm
> https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/512 -- Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad" in various formats.
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNyckZdNoQw -- "On Contact with Chris Hedges"; Chris Hedges interviews Kerry-Anne Mendoza
> 
> -J
> _______________________________________________
> Peace mailing list
> Peace at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace


From brussel at illinois.edu  Thu Jul 25 21:18:51 2019
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:18:51 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE on the Air #487 notes
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR08MB6077620E92D2A45597BFFF8CA3C10@SN6PR08MB6077.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
References: <ffc335fb-125b-be9e-ad91-45a578ace6b3@forestfield.org>
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…While Andre goes a little overboard  painting China as Utopia,…

When he goes overboard, as he did in this article , he discredits his message. It was more than a "little overboard". Vitchek has done this kind of commentary before. Poetic license?

On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Again, thank you to J.B. Nicholson for placing programs and links on the Peace List, for all to view with ease.

I especially liked Carl’s reading of the Andre Vltchek article related to China. While Andre goes a little overboard  painting China as Utopia, it is a perfect contrast to the usual propaganda received from western media, which includes Al Jazeera. China is making progress in all areas.

I am especially fond of Vltchek, not because his writing is often beautifully poetic, but because he has a very sharp eye. He did an article on Thailand about six years ago, which impressed me, given his very astute analysis unlike so much of the propaganda we usually see in relation to the politics of this US aircraft carrier in SE Asia. He didn’t do what most journalists do, including those who live there, or reside in the region, focus on receiving their information from western embassy personnel, locals whether Thai or expat, or worse yet, the Foreign Correspondents Club.

Having lived in that nation for twenty two years, I knew what we were being told wasn’t real, but was only able to discover upon doing the research and discussions with Thai exiles, residing in the US due to their politics. The problems related to poverty and exploitation have existed in Thailand for decades even century’s, but very few see it for what it is, focusing on palace intrigue and Party politics. Little different than here.

On Jul 24, 2019, at 16:18, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

AWARE on the Air #487
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liWRv15sufU

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

Andre Vltchek on "Reason Why the West is Determined to Ignore China’s Success"
https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/17/reason-why-west-is-determined-to-ignore-china-s-success/

Related: "China and Ecological Civilization" John B. Cobb, Jr. in conversation with Andre Vltchek
ISBN 978-6025095450



Susan McWilliams on "The True and Only Lasch: On 'The True and Only Heaven', 25 Years Later"
https://isi.org/intercollegiate-review/the-true-and-only-laschbr-on-ithe-true-and-only-heaven-i-25-years-later/

Which concludes:
In our own time, when the noise of progressivism is louder than
ever—often represented, among other ways, in the understandable but
naive claims that the world has changed fundamentally during the past
twenty-five years—it is a better time than ever to turn and return to
The True and Only Heaven, to dive below the distracting noise of the
moment and consider the greater currents upon which we are carried. In
doing so, we may also ensure that the challenges Lasch set for himself
were not undertaken in vain, and that he may continue to help us tie
present to past.


Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad"
https://public.wsu.edu/~campbelld/amlit/celest.htm
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/512 -- Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad" in various formats.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNyckZdNoQw -- "On Contact with Chris Hedges"; Chris Hedges interviews Kerry-Anne Mendoza

-J
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 25 22:14:49 2019
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 22:14:49 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE on the Air #487 notes
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Mort

I don’t agree. While China is not Utopia, and they have problems, which they continue to address. If one compares China to the US, they are improving the quality of life for their people daily, while we do the exact opposite.

I lived and worked in Shanghai for nearly two years 2007-2009, my daughter did also, teaching in a college a couple years later, in Suzhou, but I don’t base my opinion on our experiences alone. The many Americans and western nationals there, traveling the nation, were also impressed with that which they had no idea, given the propaganda we experience in the west. I also traveled up country, and experienced local communities, which were in the early stages of development.

If one compares it to Hong Kong, where I lived and worked for seven months in 2000-2001, and watched the city deteriorate as foreign company’s moved to Shanghai, coupled with the high cost of living, lack of housing and job opportunities its no wonder they have so many protests there now. That along with the US CIA funded NGO’s doing their usual false flag bits against China. If in the US we would have had severe crack downs by our government weeks ago.

I saw Shenzhen, in early development, now a thriving, modern city. They had empty city’s all across the nation, in  preparation for the future. The infrastructure of China, unlike ours, is new, modern and the most advanced in the world. Given the rapid development, I have no doubt what Andre sees there is way beyond that which I saw ten years ago.

If one compares China to the US, they are improving the quality of life for their people daily while building the BRI or Silk road across continents, they are not imperialist or hegemonous, and they haven’t invaded another nation militarily since 1979, Vietnam. Compared to our record of interventions, bombings, wars of destruction, it does beg the question, who is the monster to be feared?

China isn’t a utopia, but many expats returning to the US, are shocked by our poor transportation and infrastructure, the homelessness, poverty, plus the high cost of healthcare and pharmaceuticals, etc. To some, like Andre, China does begin to look a lot like Utopia, in comparison.


On Jul 25, 2019, at 14:18, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:

…While Andre goes a little overboard  painting China as Utopia,…

When he goes overboard, as he did in this article , he discredits his message. It was more than a "little overboard". Vitchek has done this kind of commentary before. Poetic license?

On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Again, thank you to J.B. Nicholson for placing programs and links on the Peace List, for all to view with ease.

I especially liked Carl’s reading of the Andre Vltchek article related to China. While Andre goes a little overboard  painting China as Utopia, it is a perfect contrast to the usual propaganda received from western media, which includes Al Jazeera. China is making progress in all areas.

I am especially fond of Vltchek, not because his writing is often beautifully poetic, but because he has a very sharp eye. He did an article on Thailand about six years ago, which impressed me, given his very astute analysis unlike so much of the propaganda we usually see in relation to the politics of this US aircraft carrier in SE Asia. He didn’t do what most journalists do, including those who live there, or reside in the region, focus on receiving their information from western embassy personnel, locals whether Thai or expat, or worse yet, the Foreign Correspondents Club.

Having lived in that nation for twenty two years, I knew what we were being told wasn’t real, but was only able to discover upon doing the research and discussions with Thai exiles, residing in the US due to their politics. The problems related to poverty and exploitation have existed in Thailand for decades even century’s, but very few see it for what it is, focusing on palace intrigue and Party politics. Little different than here.

On Jul 24, 2019, at 16:18, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

AWARE on the Air #487
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liWRv15sufU

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

Andre Vltchek on "Reason Why the West is Determined to Ignore China’s Success"
https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/17/reason-why-west-is-determined-to-ignore-china-s-success/

Related: "China and Ecological Civilization" John B. Cobb, Jr. in conversation with Andre Vltchek
ISBN 978-6025095450



Susan McWilliams on "The True and Only Lasch: On 'The True and Only Heaven', 25 Years Later"
https://isi.org/intercollegiate-review/the-true-and-only-laschbr-on-ithe-true-and-only-heaven-i-25-years-later/

Which concludes:
In our own time, when the noise of progressivism is louder than
ever—often represented, among other ways, in the understandable but
naive claims that the world has changed fundamentally during the past
twenty-five years—it is a better time than ever to turn and return to
The True and Only Heaven, to dive below the distracting noise of the
moment and consider the greater currents upon which we are carried. In
doing so, we may also ensure that the challenges Lasch set for himself
were not undertaken in vain, and that he may continue to help us tie
present to past.


Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad"
https://public.wsu.edu/~campbelld/amlit/celest.htm
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/512 -- Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad" in various formats.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNyckZdNoQw -- "On Contact with Chris Hedges"; Chris Hedges interviews Kerry-Anne Mendoza

-J
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Fri Jul 26 00:30:33 2019
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 00:30:33 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE on the Air #487 notes
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Karen,

I don’t disagree with what you say, i.e. that China has made tremendous strides to increase the welfare of their people and to develop their country. Also, I know that visitors have been tremendously impressed with the change there in an astoundingly short time. But people reading Vitchek will regard his descriptions as unbelievable propaganda. Had he toned down his description, this could have been avoided. For example, many villages in rural China are still in bad shape. People have been displaced  to less than admirable dwellings, unhappily, so that development could take places. Dam building, for example, had done this. This seems akin to what occured in the USSR in the 30’s.  Pollution has been very bad due to the mass construction of coal fired power plants, even as the authorities try to clean it up, which is admirable. Vitchek needed to leaven his description to admit that China still has far to go to become a nirvana.

I suppose that his description drew forth my skepticism. It needn’t have.

On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Mort

I don’t agree. While China is not Utopia, and they have problems, which they continue to address. If one compares China to the US, they are improving the quality of life for their people daily, while we do the exact opposite.

I lived and worked in Shanghai for nearly two years 2007-2009, my daughter did also, teaching in a college a couple years later, in Suzhou, but I don’t base my opinion on our experiences alone. The many Americans and western nationals there, traveling the nation, were also impressed with that which they had no idea, given the propaganda we experience in the west. I also traveled up country, and experienced local communities, which were in the early stages of development.

If one compares it to Hong Kong, where I lived and worked for seven months in 2000-2001, and watched the city deteriorate as foreign company’s moved to Shanghai, coupled with the high cost of living, lack of housing and job opportunities its no wonder they have so many protests there now. That along with the US CIA funded NGO’s doing their usual false flag bits against China. If in the US we would have had severe crack downs by our government weeks ago.

I saw Shenzhen, in early development, now a thriving, modern city. They had empty city’s all across the nation, in  preparation for the future. The infrastructure of China, unlike ours, is new, modern and the most advanced in the world. Given the rapid development, I have no doubt what Andre sees there is way beyond that which I saw ten years ago.

If one compares China to the US, they are improving the quality of life for their people daily while building the BRI or Silk road across continents, they are not imperialist or hegemonous, and they haven’t invaded another nation militarily since 1979, Vietnam. Compared to our record of interventions, bombings, wars of destruction, it does beg the question, who is the monster to be feared?

China isn’t a utopia, but many expats returning to the US, are shocked by our poor transportation and infrastructure, the homelessness, poverty, plus the high cost of healthcare and pharmaceuticals, etc. To some, like Andre, China does begin to look a lot like Utopia, in comparison.


On Jul 25, 2019, at 14:18, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:

…While Andre goes a little overboard  painting China as Utopia,…

When he goes overboard, as he did in this article , he discredits his message. It was more than a "little overboard". Vitchek has done this kind of commentary before. Poetic license?

On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Again, thank you to J.B. Nicholson for placing programs and links on the Peace List, for all to view with ease.

I especially liked Carl’s reading of the Andre Vltchek article related to China. While Andre goes a little overboard  painting China as Utopia, it is a perfect contrast to the usual propaganda received from western media, which includes Al Jazeera. China is making progress in all areas.

I am especially fond of Vltchek, not because his writing is often beautifully poetic, but because he has a very sharp eye. He did an article on Thailand about six years ago, which impressed me, given his very astute analysis unlike so much of the propaganda we usually see in relation to the politics of this US aircraft carrier in SE Asia. He didn’t do what most journalists do, including those who live there, or reside in the region, focus on receiving their information from western embassy personnel, locals whether Thai or expat, or worse yet, the Foreign Correspondents Club.

Having lived in that nation for twenty two years, I knew what we were being told wasn’t real, but was only able to discover upon doing the research and discussions with Thai exiles, residing in the US due to their politics. The problems related to poverty and exploitation have existed in Thailand for decades even century’s, but very few see it for what it is, focusing on palace intrigue and Party politics. Little different than here.

On Jul 24, 2019, at 16:18, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

AWARE on the Air #487
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liWRv15sufU

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

Andre Vltchek on "Reason Why the West is Determined to Ignore China’s Success"
https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/17/reason-why-west-is-determined-to-ignore-china-s-success/

Related: "China and Ecological Civilization" John B. Cobb, Jr. in conversation with Andre Vltchek
ISBN 978-6025095450



Susan McWilliams on "The True and Only Lasch: On 'The True and Only Heaven', 25 Years Later"
https://isi.org/intercollegiate-review/the-true-and-only-laschbr-on-ithe-true-and-only-heaven-i-25-years-later/

Which concludes:
In our own time, when the noise of progressivism is louder than
ever—often represented, among other ways, in the understandable but
naive claims that the world has changed fundamentally during the past
twenty-five years—it is a better time than ever to turn and return to
The True and Only Heaven, to dive below the distracting noise of the
moment and consider the greater currents upon which we are carried. In
doing so, we may also ensure that the challenges Lasch set for himself
were not undertaken in vain, and that he may continue to help us tie
present to past.


Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad"
https://public.wsu.edu/~campbelld/amlit/celest.htm
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/512 -- Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad" in various formats.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNyckZdNoQw -- "On Contact with Chris Hedges"; Chris Hedges interviews Kerry-Anne Mendoza

-J
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Fri Jul 26 01:04:40 2019
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 01:04:40 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Warning about "Russiagate!"
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Warning!  Warning about Russiagate!  
You have repeatedly been warned about the hysterical mob of the LYING MAINSTREAM MEDIA who are screaming that Russia attempted to influence the 2016 election, smearing Hillary Clinton & supporting Donald Trump!  They are hysterical, I tell you!  Yes, HYSTERICAL!  H-Y-S-T-E-R-I-C-A-L ! ! !   Can’t you see that?  Wake up! What’s WRONG with you?  You must be hysterical yourself, or MENTALLY SICK !  

RUSSIAN HACK OF ELECTIONS SYSTEM WAS FAR-REACHING, REPORT FINDS 
NYT   July 25, 2019
By David E. Sanger and Catie Edmondson
		
WASHINGTON — The Senate Intelligence Committee concluded Thursday that election systems in all 50 states were targeted by Russia in 2016, largely undetected by the states and federal officials at the time, but at the demand of American intelligence agencies the committee was forced to redact its findings so heavily that key lessons for the 2020 election are blacked out.

The report — the first volume of several to be released from the committee’s investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference — came just 24 hours after the former special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, warned that Russia was moving again to interfere “as we sit here.”
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 26 01:06:44 2019
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 01:06:44 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE on the Air #487 notes
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It is important we have the conversation, and I understand your reaction to Vltchek, as one who is skeptical, as we should be when too glowing a picture of anything is presented. I think his disgust at US propaganda vilifying China, has led him to over compensate.

When in China, I was privy to one of those villages being displaced, as my employer was constructing a nuclear power plant for the Chinese government, in the vicinity. The people resisted, hating to move, even though the new dwellings were superior to that of their village. Chinese culture requires they stay close to the land of their ancestors, and the tombs, so the dissatisfaction of moving, often has more to do with their ancient cultural practices, than quality of their new accommodations.

It’s unfortunate that dam building is often very necessary infrastructure improvement, and when its done “not for private profit,” as it would be here, but for the good of all, it requires acceptance.

On Jul 25, 2019, at 17:30, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:

Karen,

I don’t disagree with what you say, i.e. that China has made tremendous strides to increase the welfare of their people and to develop their country. Also, I know that visitors have been tremendously impressed with the change there in an astoundingly short time. But people reading Vitchek will regard his descriptions as unbelievable propaganda. Had he toned down his description, this could have been avoided. For example, many villages in rural China are still in bad shape. People have been displaced  to less than admirable dwellings, unhappily, so that development could take places. Dam building, for example, had done this. This seems akin to what occured in the USSR in the 30’s.  Pollution has been very bad due to the mass construction of coal fired power plants, even as the authorities try to clean it up, which is admirable. Vitchek needed to leaven his description to admit that China still has far to go to become a nirvana.

I suppose that his description drew forth my skepticism. It needn’t have.

On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Mort

I don’t agree. While China is not Utopia, and they have problems, which they continue to address. If one compares China to the US, they are improving the quality of life for their people daily, while we do the exact opposite.

I lived and worked in Shanghai for nearly two years 2007-2009, my daughter did also, teaching in a college a couple years later, in Suzhou, but I don’t base my opinion on our experiences alone. The many Americans and western nationals there, traveling the nation, were also impressed with that which they had no idea, given the propaganda we experience in the west. I also traveled up country, and experienced local communities, which were in the early stages of development.

If one compares it to Hong Kong, where I lived and worked for seven months in 2000-2001, and watched the city deteriorate as foreign company’s moved to Shanghai, coupled with the high cost of living, lack of housing and job opportunities its no wonder they have so many protests there now. That along with the US CIA funded NGO’s doing their usual false flag bits against China. If in the US we would have had severe crack downs by our government weeks ago.

I saw Shenzhen, in early development, now a thriving, modern city. They had empty city’s all across the nation, in  preparation for the future. The infrastructure of China, unlike ours, is new, modern and the most advanced in the world. Given the rapid development, I have no doubt what Andre sees there is way beyond that which I saw ten years ago.

If one compares China to the US, they are improving the quality of life for their people daily while building the BRI or Silk road across continents, they are not imperialist or hegemonous, and they haven’t invaded another nation militarily since 1979, Vietnam. Compared to our record of interventions, bombings, wars of destruction, it does beg the question, who is the monster to be feared?

China isn’t a utopia, but many expats returning to the US, are shocked by our poor transportation and infrastructure, the homelessness, poverty, plus the high cost of healthcare and pharmaceuticals, etc. To some, like Andre, China does begin to look a lot like Utopia, in comparison.


On Jul 25, 2019, at 14:18, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:

…While Andre goes a little overboard  painting China as Utopia,…

When he goes overboard, as he did in this article , he discredits his message. It was more than a "little overboard". Vitchek has done this kind of commentary before. Poetic license?

On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Again, thank you to J.B. Nicholson for placing programs and links on the Peace List, for all to view with ease.

I especially liked Carl’s reading of the Andre Vltchek article related to China. While Andre goes a little overboard  painting China as Utopia, it is a perfect contrast to the usual propaganda received from western media, which includes Al Jazeera. China is making progress in all areas.

I am especially fond of Vltchek, not because his writing is often beautifully poetic, but because he has a very sharp eye. He did an article on Thailand about six years ago, which impressed me, given his very astute analysis unlike so much of the propaganda we usually see in relation to the politics of this US aircraft carrier in SE Asia. He didn’t do what most journalists do, including those who live there, or reside in the region, focus on receiving their information from western embassy personnel, locals whether Thai or expat, or worse yet, the Foreign Correspondents Club.

Having lived in that nation for twenty two years, I knew what we were being told wasn’t real, but was only able to discover upon doing the research and discussions with Thai exiles, residing in the US due to their politics. The problems related to poverty and exploitation have existed in Thailand for decades even century’s, but very few see it for what it is, focusing on palace intrigue and Party politics. Little different than here.

On Jul 24, 2019, at 16:18, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

AWARE on the Air #487
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liWRv15sufU

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

Andre Vltchek on "Reason Why the West is Determined to Ignore China’s Success"
https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/17/reason-why-west-is-determined-to-ignore-china-s-success/

Related: "China and Ecological Civilization" John B. Cobb, Jr. in conversation with Andre Vltchek
ISBN 978-6025095450



Susan McWilliams on "The True and Only Lasch: On 'The True and Only Heaven', 25 Years Later"
https://isi.org/intercollegiate-review/the-true-and-only-laschbr-on-ithe-true-and-only-heaven-i-25-years-later/

Which concludes:
In our own time, when the noise of progressivism is louder than
ever—often represented, among other ways, in the understandable but
naive claims that the world has changed fundamentally during the past
twenty-five years—it is a better time than ever to turn and return to
The True and Only Heaven, to dive below the distracting noise of the
moment and consider the greater currents upon which we are carried. In
doing so, we may also ensure that the challenges Lasch set for himself
were not undertaken in vain, and that he may continue to help us tie
present to past.


Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad"
https://public.wsu.edu/~campbelld/amlit/celest.htm
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/512 -- Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad" in various formats.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNyckZdNoQw -- "On Contact with Chris Hedges"; Chris Hedges interviews Kerry-Anne Mendoza

-J
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 01:18:06 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 20:18:06 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE on the Air #487 notes
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In this program I wanted to deal with two topics about which American liberals have bought a great deal of malign establishment misinformation - China and populism.

Andre Vltchek is a good corrective to propagandistic academic sinology, and the late Kit Lasch (whom I’m pleased to say I knew) has no peer on contemporary US populism.

To combat American neoliberalism and neoconservatism, an accurate account of these two topics (and others!) is necessary. —CGE


> On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:30 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Karen,
> 
> I don’t disagree with what you say, i.e. that China has made tremendous strides to increase the welfare of their people and to develop their country. Also, I know that visitors have been tremendously impressed with the change there in an astoundingly short time. But people reading Vitchek will regard his descriptions as unbelievable propaganda. Had he toned down his description, this could have been avoided. For example, many villages in rural China are still in bad shape. People have been displaced  to less than admirable dwellings, unhappily, so that development could take places. Dam building, for example, had done this. This seems akin to what occured in the USSR in the 30’s.  Pollution has been very bad due to the mass construction of coal fired power plants, even as the authorities try to clean it up, which is admirable. Vitchek needed to leaven his description to admit that China still has far to go to become a nirvana. 
> 
> I suppose that his description drew forth my skepticism. It needn’t have. 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mort
>> 
>> I don’t agree. While China is not Utopia, and they have problems, which they continue to address. If one compares China to the US, they are improving the quality of life for their people daily, while we do the exact opposite.
>> 
>> I lived and worked in Shanghai for nearly two years 2007-2009, my daughter did also, teaching in a college a couple years later, in Suzhou, but I don’t base my opinion on our experiences alone. The many Americans and western nationals there, traveling the nation, were also impressed with that which they had no idea, given the propaganda we experience in the west. I also traveled up country, and experienced local communities, which were in the early stages of development. 
>> 
>> If one compares it to Hong Kong, where I lived and worked for seven months in 2000-2001, and watched the city deteriorate as foreign company’s moved to Shanghai, coupled with the high cost of living, lack of housing and job opportunities its no wonder they have so many protests there now. That along with the US CIA funded NGO’s doing their usual false flag bits against China. If in the US we would have had severe crack downs by our government weeks ago. 
>> 
>> I saw Shenzhen, in early development, now a thriving, modern city. They had empty city’s all across the nation, in  preparation for the future. The infrastructure of China, unlike ours, is new, modern and the most advanced in the world. Given the rapid development, I have no doubt what Andre sees there is way beyond that which I saw ten years ago.  
>> 
>> If one compares China to the US, they are improving the quality of life for their people daily while building the BRI or Silk road across continents, they are not imperialist or hegemonous, and they haven’t invaded another nation militarily since 1979, Vietnam. Compared to our record of interventions, bombings, wars of destruction, it does beg the question, who is the monster to be feared?
>> 
>> China isn’t a utopia, but many expats returning to the US, are shocked by our poor transportation and infrastructure, the homelessness, poverty, plus the high cost of healthcare and pharmaceuticals, etc. To some, like Andre, China does begin to look a lot like Utopia, in comparison.    
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 14:18, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> …While Andre goes a little overboard  painting China as Utopia,…
>>> 
>>> When he goes overboard, as he did in this article , he discredits his message. It was more than a "little overboard". Vitchek has done this kind of commentary before. Poetic license?
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Again, thank you to J.B. Nicholson for placing programs and links on the Peace List, for all to view with ease. 
>>>> 
>>>> I especially liked Carl’s reading of the Andre Vltchek article related to China. While Andre goes a little overboard  painting China as Utopia, it is a perfect contrast to the usual propaganda received from western media, which includes Al Jazeera. China is making progress in all areas.
>>>> 
>>>> I am especially fond of Vltchek, not because his writing is often beautifully poetic, but because he has a very sharp eye. He did an article on Thailand about six years ago, which impressed me, given his very astute analysis unlike so much of the propaganda we usually see in relation to the politics of this US aircraft carrier in SE Asia. He didn’t do what most journalists do, including those who live there, or reside in the region, focus on receiving their information from western embassy personnel, locals whether Thai or expat, or worse yet, the Foreign Correspondents Club. 
>>>> 
>>>> Having lived in that nation for twenty two years, I knew what we were being told wasn’t real, but was only able to discover upon doing the research and discussions with Thai exiles, residing in the US due to their politics. The problems related to poverty and exploitation have existed in Thailand for decades even century’s, but very few see it for what it is, focusing on palace intrigue and Party politics. Little different than here.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 16:18, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> AWARE on the Air #487
>>>>> Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liWRv15sufU
>>>>> 
>>>>> A list of links to items referenced on the show.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andre Vltchek on "Reason Why the West is Determined to Ignore China’s Success"
>>>>> https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/17/reason-why-west-is-determined-to-ignore-china-s-success/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Related: "China and Ecological Civilization" John B. Cobb, Jr. in conversation with Andre Vltchek
>>>>> ISBN 978-6025095450
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Susan McWilliams on "The True and Only Lasch: On 'The True and Only Heaven', 25 Years Later"
>>>>> https://isi.org/intercollegiate-review/the-true-and-only-laschbr-on-ithe-true-and-only-heaven-i-25-years-later/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which concludes:
>>>>>> In our own time, when the noise of progressivism is louder than
>>>>>> ever—often represented, among other ways, in the understandable but
>>>>>> naive claims that the world has changed fundamentally during the past
>>>>>> twenty-five years—it is a better time than ever to turn and return to
>>>>>> The True and Only Heaven, to dive below the distracting noise of the
>>>>>> moment and consider the greater currents upon which we are carried. In
>>>>>> doing so, we may also ensure that the challenges Lasch set for himself
>>>>>> were not undertaken in vain, and that he may continue to help us tie
>>>>>> present to past.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad"
>>>>> https://public.wsu.edu/~campbelld/amlit/celest.htm
>>>>> https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/512 -- Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Celestial Railroad" in various formats.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNyckZdNoQw -- "On Contact with Chris Hedges"; Chris Hedges interviews Kerry-Anne Mendoza
>>>>> 
>>>>> -J
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Peace mailing list
>>>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net
>>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>>>> 

From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 01:20:54 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 20:20:54 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Warning about "Russiagate!"
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What a remarkable coincidence...


> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:04 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Warning!  Warning about Russiagate!  
> You have repeatedly been warned about the hysterical mob of the LYING MAINSTREAM MEDIA who are screaming that Russia attempted to influence the 2016 election, smearing Hillary Clinton & supporting Donald Trump!  They are hysterical, I tell you!  Yes, HYSTERICAL!  H-Y-S-T-E-R-I-C-A-L ! ! !   Can’t you see that?  Wake up! What’s WRONG with you?  You must be hysterical yourself, or MENTALLY SICK !  
> 
> RUSSIAN HACK OF ELECTIONS SYSTEM WAS FAR-REACHING, REPORT FINDS 
> NYT   July 25, 2019
> By David E. Sanger and Catie Edmondson
> 		
> WASHINGTON — The Senate Intelligence Committee concluded Thursday that election systems in all 50 states were targeted by Russia in 2016, largely undetected by the states and federal officials at the time, but at the demand of American intelligence agencies the committee was forced to redact its findings so heavily that key lessons for the 2020 election are blacked out.
> 
> The report — the first volume of several to be released from the committee’s investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference — came just 24 hours after the former special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, warned that Russia was moving again to interfere “as we sit here.”
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Fri Jul 26 03:05:13 2019
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 22:05:13 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Warning about "Russiagate!"
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I don't dispute that Russia messed around in the U.S. election.

The question is: how significant should we make this, compared to other
things?

Why does MSNBC give a thousand times more attention to this than the
U.S.-Saudi war in Yemen, which, unlike the Russian messing around in the
U.S. election, is actually killing children every day?

Why would any honest and righteous liberal promote what MSNBC is doing?

===

Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1





On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 8:21 PM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> What a remarkable coincidence...
>
>
> > On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:04 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Warning!  Warning about Russiagate!
> > You have repeatedly been warned about the hysterical mob of the LYING
> MAINSTREAM MEDIA who are screaming that Russia attempted to influence the
> 2016 election, smearing Hillary Clinton & supporting Donald Trump!  They
> are hysterical, I tell you!  Yes, HYSTERICAL!  H-Y-S-T-E-R-I-C-A-L ! ! !
>  Can’t you see that?  Wake up! What’s WRONG with you?  You must be
> hysterical yourself, or MENTALLY SICK !
> >
> > RUSSIAN HACK OF ELECTIONS SYSTEM WAS FAR-REACHING, REPORT FINDS
> > NYT   July 25, 2019
> > By David E. Sanger and Catie Edmondson
> >
> > WASHINGTON — The Senate Intelligence Committee concluded Thursday that
> election systems in all 50 states were targeted by Russia in 2016, largely
> undetected by the states and federal officials at the time, but at the
> demand of American intelligence agencies the committee was forced to redact
> its findings so heavily that key lessons for the 2020 election are blacked
> out.
> >
> > The report — the first volume of several to be released from the
> committee’s investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference — came
> just 24 hours after the former special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III,
> warned that Russia was moving again to interfere “as we sit here.”
> >
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Jul 26 05:45:31 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 00:45:31 -0500
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Privacy: Remember way back -- one week ago?

One week ago I wrote:
> Sometimes firms release what they call "anonymized" information -- info
> where they believe they've removed all of the uniquely identifying
> parts. But we know that doesn't work. See the famous database where
> reporters were able to turn a set of search engine queries into a
> specific woman looking up medical problems for her friends 
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOL_search_data_leak).

This week Lyft, a transportation firm akin to Uber which uses some 
autonomous vehicles, said it was

> excited to announce that Lyft is releasing a subset of our autonomous
> driving data, the Level 5 Dataset, and we will be sponsoring a research
> competition.

https://medium.com/lyftlevel5/unlocking-access-to-self-driving-research-the-lyft-level-5-dataset-and-competition-d487c27b1b6c

The data is available at https://level5.lyft.com/dataset/ and the prizes in 
their competition are worth about $25,000 (a paltry sum considering the 
businesses behind these vehicles are worth billions of dollars).

It'll be more interesting to see what information people can reverse 
engineer from the data and what those inferences mean to people. Perhaps 
we'll find some interesting correlations to things we know go on at certain 
locations (in flagrante delicto).

Related:
https://cpg.doc.ic.ac.uk/individual-risk/ -- estimate the odds you'll be 
identified despite anonymization by answering a few questions many people 
can answer about you (age, sex, zipcode).




Privacy: More surveillance from further away via better lenses.

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/7/24/20708236/fujifilm-sx800-security-camera-long-range-1000mm-focal-length-image-stabilization-heat-haze-fog 
-- Fujifilm's SX800 surveillance camera has a 40X zoom which they say "is 
enough to focus on a car’s license plate from 1km or roughly 0.6 miles away".

 From the article (which is basically an ad posing as an article):
> From a cost perspective, this makes total sense for the facilities
> themselves since they’ll be able to cover a larger area with a smaller
> number of cameras. But for everyone else it’s a good reminder that just
> because you can’t see a security camera, that doesn’t mean one can’t see
> you, even if it’s multiple kilometers away.

This would seem to apply if one wanted to zoom into someone else's house 
windows as well -- high zoom capabilities allow one to more effectively spy 
on one's neighbors. Perhaps they're doing something you'll want to report 
to someone else? The article, typical of the corporate media that makes up 
most of the tech press, fails to bring up anything that would raise privacy 
concerns. The only coverage allowed in such so-called "articles" are items 
that ostensibly make the vendor look good.

The article has pointers to advertisements illustrating this capability.





Economy: Forgive them their debts? Or charge 'em forever?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/20/heres-why-so-many-americans-cant-handle-a-400-unexpected-expense.html 
-- Even corporate media can't avoid reporting on why the economy looks so 
bad for so many Americans: debt.

> Some 40% of Americans would struggle to come up with even $400 to pay
> for an unexpected bill.
> 
> If — or, more likely, when — they're confronted with such an expense,
> they'd probably have to sell something or go into debt. The now
> oft-cited figure comes from the Federal Reserve's 2018 Survey of
> Household Economics and Decision Making, in which some 12,000 households
> were asked about their financial well-being.

[...]

> The Survey of Household Economics and Decision Making asks people how
> they would pay for an unforeseen $400 expense. If a respondent said they
> simply wouldn't be able to or would have to borrow money, sell something
> or neglect other bills to do so, they were included in the share of
> people for whom coming up with the money would be a challenge, which
> added up to that alarming 40%. Yet the Survey of Consumer Finances,
> which asks respondents for their bank account balance, found the share
> of households who have less than $400 in their checking or savings
> accounts was closer to 20%.
> 
> For some reason, many people who had $400 on hand still said they'd
> struggle to come up with the money. "We were scratching our heads," Chen
> said.
> 
> Ultimately, the researchers landed on a plausible explanation for both
> the discrepancy and why so many Americans are living paycheck to
> paycheck — debt. Many of the people who have $400 or more available to
> them likely have already earmarked that money for another obligation
> (and so, in other words, the cash isn't really available to them).
> 
> Frequently, Chen said, it's an upcoming credit card bill tying up the
> money. Indeed, after the researchers at Boston College subtracted
> people's outstanding credit card debt from their account balances, the
> disparity between the two surveys all but closed.
> 
> "Unpaid credit card balances are high-interest loans," Chen said. "I'm
> not surprised that households want to pay that off as quickly as they
> can." (The average interest rate today is almost 18%, compared with 12%
> a decade ago, according to Creditcards.com.)

Related: "...and forgive them their debts" by Michael Hudson
ISBN-10: 3981826027
ISBN-13: 978-3981826029
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/11/145003.html -- John Siman's review 
on Yves Smith's "Naked Capitalism" blog. The book gets a glowing review 
except for perhaps being too:
> densely written that it is profoundly difficult to read. I took six
> days, which included six or so hours of delightful and enlightening
> conversation with the author himself, to get through it. I often availed
> myself of David Graeber’s book Debt: The First 5,000 Years when I
> struggled to follow some of Hudson’s arguments.

On "moral hazards" consider the following:

> When I sent a draft of my review to a friend last night, he emailed me
> back with this question:
> 
> — Wouldn’t debt cancellations just take away any incentive for people to
> pay back loans and, thus, take away the incentive to give loans? People
> who haven’t heard the argument before and then read your review will
> probably be skeptical at first.
> 
> Here is Michael Hudson’s response:
> 
> — Creditors argue that if you forgive debts for a class of debtors –
> say, student loans – that there will be some “free riders,” and that
> people will expect to have bad loans written off. This is called a
> “moral hazard,” as if debt writedowns are a hazard to the economy, and
> hence, immoral.
> 
> This is a typical example of Orwellian doublespeak engineered by public
> relations factotums for bondholders and banks. The real hazard to every
> economy is the tendency for debts to grow beyond the ability of debtors
> to pay. The first defaulters are victims of junk mortgages and student
> debtors, but by far the largest victims are countries borrowing from the
> IMF in currency “stabilization” (that is economic destabilization)
> programs.
> 
> It is moral for creditors to have to bear the risk (“hazard”) of making
> bad loans, defined as those that the debtor cannot pay without losing
> property, status or becoming insolvent. A bad international loan to a
> government is one that the government cannot pay except by imposing
> austerity on the economy to a degree that output falls, labor is obliged
> to emigrate to find employment, capital investment declines, and
> governments are forced to pay creditors by privatizing and selling off
> the public domain to monopolists.
> 
> The analogy in Bronze Age Babylonia was a flight of debtors from the
> land. Today from Greece to Ukraine, it is a flight of skilled labor and
> young labor to find work abroad.
> 
> No debtor – whether a class of debtors such as students or victims of
> predatory junk mortgages, or an entire government and national economy –
> should be obliged to go on the road to and economic suicide and
> self-destruction in order to pay creditors. The definition of statehood
> – and hence, international law – should be to put one’s national
> solvency and self-determination above foreign financial attacks. Ceding
> financial control should be viewed as a form of warfare, which countries
> have a legal right to resist as “odious debt” under moral international
> law.
> 
> The basic moral financial principal should be that creditors should bear
> the hazard for making bad loans that the debtor couldn’t pay — like the
> IMF loans to Argentina and Greece. The moral hazard is their putting
> creditor demands over the economy’s survival.





Russiagate: Seth Rich's murder is going to get some coverage (if only in 
alternative news that doesn't let the corporate narrative dictate what is 
considered news).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGac4K4KuPo -- RT's report.
http://lawflog.com/?p=2210 -- an article by Ty Clevenger, Ed Butowsky's 
lawyer in the lawsuit that brings Seth Rich back in the news. This is also 
the source of RT's report.

Ty Clevenger writes:
> Former Fox News news analyst Ellen Ratner relayed information from
> Wikileaks founder Julian Assange to Texas businessman Ed Butowsky
> regarding Seth Rich’s role in transferring emails to Wikileaks,
> according to an amended lawsuit that I filed this morning on behalf of
> Mr. Butowsky.

Ellen Ratner is also the former sister of Julian's deceased former attorney 
Michael Ratner. Butowsky says he met with Ellen Ratner and she told him 
Seth Rich was the source of the DNC email leaks.

The amended lawsuit filing 
(http://lawflog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019.07.15-Amended-complaint-stamped.pdf) 
includes:

> The DNC employee responsible for the leaks was Seth Rich, and he was 
> assisted by his brother Aaron. Mr. Butowsky does not know exactly when 
> the DNC figured out that Mr. Rich was the source of the leak. On July 
> 10, 2016, however, Mr. Rich was fatally shot while walking home in 
> Washington, D.C., and the murder has not been solved. Mr. Butowsky does 
> not know whether the murder is related to Mr. Rich's role in leaking
> DNC emails.
Butowsky claims that the negative press about Seth Rich's involvement (al 
'Seth Rich is not involved, Russia did it!') hurt Butowsky's business. 
Available evidence to date shows the DNC emails were leaked from within, 
not "hacked" (or obtained illicitly) from outside via the Internet.

Butowsky also claims that the Rich family also knew their murdered son Seth 
was a source of the DNC email leaks with Seth's brother:

> Butowsky: What I told him [Joel Rich, Seth Rich's father] was that I
> was told that your sons [brothers Seth Rich & Aaron Rich] downloaded the
> emails from the DNC server and sold them to WikiLeaks. And Mr. Rich
> said, and I didn't see him this was over the phone, like "Ed, we already
> know that. That's not new information to us.".

The Mueller Report says:

> Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016.
> In June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team
> publicly announced that Russian hackers had compromised its computer
> network.

The Mueller Report offers no evidence to back up this claim.

Julian Assange has been consistent in never lying about what WikiLeaks 
publishes (WikiLeaks documents are what WikiLeaks claims them to be), 
identifying the source of the DNC emails as not a government, and that the 
DNC email data was leaked. The FBI did not interview him about this 
information, not even as part of the Mueller probe.




Healthcare/Identity politics: Seema Verma, Administrator for the Centers 
for Medicare and Medicaid Services, doesn't like public option or Medicare 
for All calling both "equally dangerous".

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/07/22/trumps-medicare-chief-i-view-public-option-and-medicare-all-equally-dangerous 
--

> Verma's remarks calling for an expansion of the current for-profit
> healthcare system came during a keynote speech at the Medicare Advantage
> Summit in Washington, D.C.
> 
> They are unsurprising, given her record of seeking to strip away
> healthcare "protections and provisions for vulnerable people," and, more
> recently, calling a single-payer plan like Medicare for All "bad" and
> "scary."
> 
> Deploying a standard GOP talking point, Verma said Monday, "we need
> government to be more hands-off."
> 
> She expressed concern over "the proposals we have seen to upend
> healthcare in America, particularly Medicare for All and the public
> option." Picking up on an accusation she's levied before, Verma said,
> "These proposals are the largest threats to the American healthcare
> system."
> 
> A Medicare for All system, she falsely asserted, would boot every
> American "into a system where Congress and bureaucrats make decisions
> about their care." Repeating the administration's narrative, Verma said
> Medicare for All would "harm seniors' access to care."
> 
> "I view a public option and Medicare for All as equally dangerous," she
> said.

If we're to take identity politics seriously we have to ask how this could 
possibly be? Verma is a woman, and we've been told that women are needed in 
positions of power because they're women. We're told to accept a woman's 
candidacy without regard to her politics (much as we were supposed to have 
supported Hillary Clinton for US president in 2016, or take advice from 
fellow war criminal Madeleine Albright who, in 1996, famously backed 
killing 500,000 Iraqi children via Iraq sanctions when she told '60 
Minutes' that "We think the price is worth it").

It seems like Verma is speaking on this to lay the groundwork for seeing 
Biden as a progressive:

> Verma framed potential passage of a public option, a plan put forth by
> Biden, as tantamount to passing a single-payer system:
> 
> "Access will be compromised for patients, and reimbursement cuts in the
> public plan will shift more pressure to employer-sponsored plans to make
> up the difference, driving up costs for 180 million Americans with
> private insurance. Make no mistake—the public option is a Trojan horse
> with a single payer hiding inside. It would use the force of government
> price setting to crowd private insurers out of the marketplace
> altogether, and achieve the true policy goal of a government-run single
> payer healthcare system."
> 
> Those comments echo industry talk points like the ones put out by the
> Partnership for America's Health Care Future.





Russiagate: Aaron Maté speaking on Muller hearing is very much worth 
watching particularly for anyone who hasn't paid attention to this up to 
now. Maté is one of relatively few commentators who gets to the facts: no 
conspiracy shown, no indictments made from Muller's report, the evidence 
for this hoax falls apart on analysis, and all of the time and money spent 
on it means resources not spent giving the American public what it needs (a 
national jobs program, potable water pipes, Medicare for All, pulling the 
US out of its many wars, etc.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOQXOV0PHL4 -- with Jimmy Dore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckAcHlkHDXk -- speaking on RT.




War: The US will continue to enable Saudi Arabia's war on Yemen, continue 
to be the main reason the Yemeni are in the biggest humanitarian disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QeHE-riiA4 -- Trump vetoes a bill to block 
selling US weapons to SA and UAE.



Publishing: Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) sues Google for allegedly infringing 
her free speech by suspending her campaign ads after the first Democratic 
Party debate.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/07/25/tulsi-gabbard-democrat-candidate-sues-google/1828271001/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/technology/tulsi-gabbard-sues-google.html

> Representative Tulsi Gabbard, the long-shot presidential candidate from
> Hawaii, said in a federal lawsuit that Google infringed on her free
> speech when it briefly suspended her campaign’s advertising account
> after the first Democratic debate in June.
> 
> The lawsuit, filed on Thursday in a federal court in Los Angeles, is
> believed to be the first time a presidential candidate has sued a major
> technology firm.

[...]

> Tulsi Now Inc., the campaign committee for Ms. Gabbard, said Google
> suspended the campaign’s advertising account for six hours on June 27
> and June 28, obstructing its ability to raise money and spread her
> message to potential voters.
> 
> After the first Democratic debate, Ms. Gabbard was briefly the most
> searched-for candidate on Google. Her campaign wanted to capitalize on
> the attention she was receiving by buying ads that would have placed its
> website at the top of search results for her name.
> 
> The lawsuit also said the Gabbard campaign believed its emails were
> being placed in spam folders on Gmail at “a disproportionately high
> rate” when compared with emails from other Democratic candidates.

[...]

> No other campaigns have publicly claimed that Google has suspended their
> advertising accounts.
> 
> Interest in Ms. Gabbard, who has served four terms in the House and is
> an Army National Guard veteran, spiked after the debate. She entered the
> presidential race as a relative unknown and is still polling at less
> than 1 percent, according to New York Times polling averages.
> 
> But her appeal has crossed traditional party lines. She has drawn
> support from both the right and the left because of a staunch antiwar
> message. She has also received favorable coverage from influential
> conservative news media like Drudge Report, Fox News and Breitbart.

It should be interesting to see what comes from discovery in this case and 
to read the terms of the contract between Tulsi Now (Gabbard's campaign 
committee) and Google.

-J

From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Fri Jul 26 14:49:33 2019
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:49:33 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Jewish American Researcher Gets the Treatment on El
 Al
Message-ID: <001b01d543c1$5ae84be0$10b8e3a0$@comcast.net>

Jewish American Researcher Gets the Treatment on El Al 

Facts For Working People shares this article for the interest of our
readers. It was
<https://mondoweiss.net/2019/07/rachel-israel-security/?utm_source=rss&utm_m
edium=rss&utm_campaign=rachel-israel-security&fbclid=IwAR0KmKBa-_AmNR5Hh0cnY
lAJfMg3T55287I4jvSsztm-6KbkUGco5wZUEWc> originally published in MONDOWEISS.
MondoWeiss is not affiliated with Facts For Working People.

My name is Rachel, and Israel thinks I'm a security threat.
 <https://mondoweiss.net/author/rachel-marandett/> Rachel Marandett on July
25, 2019



 
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My name is Rachel. I am a Jew. I don't practice, but my grandmothers are
Jewish and I identify as a Jew, so that means I am a Jew. 

 

My name is Rachel. I study Religious and Middle Eastern Studies. My research
focuses on the Holocaust and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. I have
studied in Morocco and the Czech Republic. I know a little bit of Arabic and
I hope I can learn more soon. 

 

My name is Rachel. I support human rights. I work at a non-profit that
strives to prevent genocide and crimes against humanity. 

 

My name is Rachel and in the summer of 2019 I was interrogated for an hour
and a half when trying to get on a flight from New Jersey to Tel Aviv. Over
ten members of Israeli security working for the Israeli airline, El Al, took
turns questioning me. My life, my friendships, my studies, and my family
were picked apart. They mired on my Arab and Arab-American friends, the
relationships I made in Morocco, and my research. I was partially strip
searched and my entire body was poked and prodded with hands and scanners.
Every single one of my belongings was confiscated and examined behind closed
doors. I was yelled at by a large group of men to give them my computer
password. They refused to explain why they needed it and I had classified
work documents on my desktop. Scared and overwhelmed after 90 minutes of
questioning, I decided not to comply. I was then off-boarded from the plane.


 

When I went back to the airport for a rebooking the next day, I was pulled
from the security line within minutes. I was searched and questioned
extensively again and had my luggage and passport labeled a level 6 out of 6
security threat for further examination and interrogation upon my arrival in
Israel. Knowing that there was a good chance I could be turned around in
Israel after enduring hours of questioning yet again, I decided not to try
for a third time to get on a flight with an airline that had already made it
clear they wanted nothing to do with me. 

 

I don't know why I was treated like this. When I asked, they kept saying
"security." 

 

They were thought policing. They were racially profiling my friends. They
were afraid of the fact that I wasn't afraid of the Middle East and the
people who call it home. 

                                             **************************

For the purposes of my thesis research, I had wanted to go to both Israel
and Palestine despite the significant issues I take with the actions of the
Israeli government. I wanted to engage first-hand in the issues I spend
every day studying. I was traveling with a research group that I trusted and
respected, so I decided to put aside some of my political perspectives to
accept a grant I was so lucky to have the opportunity to receive. 

 

However, by essentially denying me entry into the country, Israel asked me
to boycott. And if they want me to, I will. 

 

The boycott, divestment and sanctions movement is non-violent. I am
non-violent. And Israel, you can be non-violent too. 

                                             **************************

I want to tell my story not because I want to get into Israel. In fact, I
know that after I tell it, I probably never will. 

 

I want to tell my story because if this is what the Israeli government is
doing to a 21-year-old American Jew doing research, what do you think they
are doing to someone whose skin isn't as white as mine? 

 

This was a challenging experience because interrogation is painful and
draining and because I was barred from an opportunity I was looking forward
to, but what about the people who are barred from ever seeing their home or
family again? What about the people that live every day in fear of
destruction, demolition, and death in the open-air prison we call the Gaza
Strip? 

                                             **************************

So today, I ask the Israeli government to reassess their priorities and
security practices. I ask them to think critically about what the word
"threat" means and what/whom constitutes as one. I don't. My Arab and
Arab-American friends don't. A Palestinian 18-year-old visiting her
grandparents doesn't. In fact almost all Palestinians don't. Just as almost
all Americans, almost all French, German, Mexicans, Brazilians, Iranians,
and Moroccans don't. 

 

I also ask the US government to rethink their unequivocal support for Israel
in the wake of the crimes against humanity they are committing and the
unethical practices they are engaging in. I ask the US to think critically
about what democracy means to our country and if the practices of Israel
really deserve the label of "the gold standard for democracy in the Middle
East" that is so often attributed to them. 

 

Finally, I call on the young people of America and of the world to be the
change. We are the future and we have the power to change the systems that
do so many worse things than block an innocent American Jew from getting on
a flight to Israel. Support Palestine, support BDS, and support human rights
because none of us should ever be considered a threat again for what we look
like, what our name is, who our friends are, or where we have been. 

                                             **************************

My name is Rachel. But if my name was Ruhee, would you be reading this
story? If my name were Ruhee, would I even be able to tell it? 

 

I am sharing my story because we live in a world where not everyone can. I
am sharing my story because something needs to change. 

 

For me. 
But, more importantly, for the people who will never see their homes and
families again. In Palestine. And across the world.

Rachel Marandett is a Pomona College senior majoring in Religious Studies
with a concentration in global violence and a minor in Middle Eastern
Studies. She has studied in both Morocco and the Czech Republic to help
prepare for her thesis research on the Holocaust and Israeli-Palestinian
conflict as a Pomona College Humanities Studio Fellow.  

 

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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 21:20:36 2019
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:20:36 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] San Francisco murals
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Much of the discussion between me and Carl Estabrook on News from Neptune
today (not yet available on youtube), was based on the efforts of
"anti-racist" activists to whitewash over precious New Deal Era WPA murals
in a San Francisco high school.

These efforts are being lead by "Stand Up for Racial Justice," which has a
local branch led by Elizabeth Simpson, and has sponsored events at the
Urbana U-U church.

A Counterpunch article referred to on the show can be found here:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/23/whitewashing-american-history-the-wpa-mural-controversy-in-san-francisco/


I especially encourage you to watch the short youtube video linked to in
the above piece.

However, I was not aware at the time of this recording that this issue has
been covered extensively by the NYT.

Of note, this sort of repression gives someone like Bari Weiss, an arch
Zionist and neocon, an opportunity to (correctly) denigrate what some think
of as the "left." Such efforts, as Noam Chomsky stated in relation to
antifa, is a "gift to the right."

Text of her article is below:

San Francisco Will Spend $600,000 to Erase History

The school board has voted to destroy public murals by a New Deal-era
Communist.
[image: Bari Weiss] <https://www.nytimes.com/by/bari-weiss>

By Bari Weiss <https://www.nytimes.com/by/bari-weiss>

Ms. Weiss is a writer and editor for the Opinion section.

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Image[image: A section of the mural at George Washington High School in San
Francisco, painted by the Russian-American artist Victor Arnautoff, shows a
dead Native American.]
A section of the mural at George Washington High School in San Francisco,
painted by the Russian-American artist Victor Arnautoff, shows a dead
Native American.CreditCreditJim Wilson/The New York Times

SAN FRANCISCO — More than $8,000. That was the amount John Ashcroft’s
Justice Department spent on blue curtains to cover up the busty Spirit of
Justice statue and her bare-chested male equivalent, the Majesty of Law, in
the department’s Great Hall in 2002. The Victorian move against the Art
Deco sculptures spurred a thousand lampoons. “A blue burqa for justice,” my
colleague Maureen Dowd memorably called it
<https://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/30/opinion/a-blue-burka-for-justice.html?module=inline>.
In The Harvard Crimson, a young Pete Buttigieg wrote
<https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2004/2/9/prudes-and-puritans-the-american-right/>,
“It seems odd that an infant is supposed to feed on them, and a grown man
is expected at some point to behold them, but for a period in between we
feel the need to see to it that no child ever sees a breast.”

I wonder, then, what Mr. Buttigieg, now on the presidential campaign trail,
would make of the San Francisco school board’s unanimous decision on
Tuesday night to spend at least $600,000 of taxpayer money not just to
shroud a historic work of art but to destroy it.

By now stories of progressive Puritanism (or perhaps the better word is
Philistinism) are so commonplace — snowflakes seek safe space! — that it
can feel tedious to track the details of the latest outrage. But this case
is so absurd that it’s worth reviewing the specifics.

Victor Arnautoff, the Russian immigrant who made the paintings in question,
was perhaps the most important muralist in the Bay Area during the
Depression. Thanks to President Franklin Roosevelt’s Works Progress
Administration, he had the opportunity to make some enduring public
artworks. Among them is “City Life” in Coit Tower, in which the artist painted
himself
<https://livingnewdeal.org/projects/coit-tower-arnautoff-mural-san-francisco-ca/>
standing in front of a newspaper rack conspicuously missing
<https://www.academia.edu/36122637/Ivy_Litvinov_at_Stanford> the mainstream
San Francisco Chronicle and packed with publications like The Daily Worker.
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Arnautoff, who had assisted Diego Rivera in Mexico, was a committed
Communist. “‘Art for art’s sake’ or art as perfume have never appealed to
me,” he said in 1935. “The artist is a critic of society.”

This is why his freshly banned work, “Life of Washington,” does not show
the clichéd image of our first president kneeling in prayer at Valley
Forge. Instead, the 13-panel, 1,600-square-foot mural, which was painted in
1936 in the just-built George Washington High School, depicts his slaves
picking cotton in the fields of Mount Vernon and a group of colonizers
walking past the corpse of a Native American.

“At the time, high school history classes typically ignored the incongruity
that Washington and others among the nation’s founders subscribed to the
declaration that ‘all men are created equal’ and yet owned other human
beings as chattel,” Robert W. Cherny writes in “Victor Arnautoff and the
Politics of Art.”

In other words, Arnautoff’s *purpose *was to unsettle the viewer, to
provoke young people into looking at American history from a different,
darker perspective. Over the past months, art historians, New Deal scholars
and even a group called the Congress of Russian Americans
<https://www.russian-americans.org/preserve-victor-arnautoffs-mural-in-george-washington-high-school/>
have tried to make exactly that point.

“This is a radical and critical work of art,” the school’s alumni
association argued
<https://sfrichmondreview.com/2019/03/29/george-washington-high-school-alumni-oppose-censoring-controversial-murals/>.
“There are many New Deal murals depicting the founding of our country; very
few even acknowledge slavery or the Native genocide. The Arnautoff murals
should be preserved for their artistic, historical and educational value.
Whitewashing them will simply result in another ‘whitewash’ of the full
truth about American history.”
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Such appeals to reason and history
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPpm8FUPC2c&t=3618s> failed to sway the
school board. On Tuesday, it dismissed the option to pull an Ashcroft and
simply cover the murals, instead voting unanimously to paint them over.

One of the commissioners, Faauuga Moliga, said before the vote on Tuesday
that his chief concern was that “kids are mentally and emotionally feeling
safe at their schools.” Thus he wanted “the murals to be painted down.”
Mark Sanchez, the school board’s vice president, later told me that simply
concealing the murals wasn’t an option because it would “allow for the
possibility of them being uncovered in the future.” Destroying them was
worth it regardless of the cost, he argued at the hearing, saying, “This is
reparations.”

These and other explanations from the board’s members reflected the logic
of the Reflection and Action Working Group, a committee of activists,
students, artists and others put together last year by the district.
Arnautoff’s work, the group concluded in February, “glorifies slavery,
genocide, colonization, Manifest Destiny, white supremacy, oppression,
etc.” The art does not reflect “social justice,” the group said, and it “is
not student-centered if it’s focused on the legacy of artists, rather than
the experience of the students.”

And yet many of the school’s actual students seemed to disagree. Of 49
freshmen asked to write about the murals, according to The Times
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/arts/design/george-washington-murals-ugly-history-debated.html?module=inline>,
only four supported their removal. John M. Strain, an English teacher, told
The Times’s Carol Pogash that his students “feel bad about offending people
but they almost universally don’t think the answer is to erase it.”

Which makes one wonder who these bureaucrats actually seek to protect. Is
it the students? Or could it also be their reputations, given that those in
favor of preserving the murals are being smeared as racists?

“In my entire life, no one has ever, ever accused me of being a ‘white
supremacist,’” Lope Yap Jr., a filmmaker and the vice president of the
alumni association, told me. But if you buy into the expansive notion of
“white supremacy” put forward by Alison Collins, one of the board
commissioners, that is exactly what Mr. Yap, who is Filipino, is. “One of
the earmarks of white supremacy culture is valuing (white) property over
(Black & Brown) ppl,” Ms. Collins recently wrote
<https://twitter.com/AliMCollins/status/1142435131493249024> on Twitter. “I
think about this when I read comments from folks arguing to ‘protect’ the
‘Life of Washington’ murals.”

Mr. Sanchez, the board vice president, told me: “A grave mistake was made
80 years ago to paint a mural at a school without Native American or
African-American input. For impressionable young people who attend school
to have any representation that diminishes people, specifically students
from communities that have already been diminished, it’s an aggressive
thing. It’s hurtful and I don’t think our students need to bear that
burden.”

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The implications of this logic are chilling. What happens when a student
suggests that looking at photographs of the My Lai massacre in history
class is too traumatic? Should newspapers avoid printing upsetting images
that illuminate the crisis at the border, like the unforgettable one
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/us/father-daughter-border-drowning-picture-mexico.html?module=inline>
of Óscar Alberto Martínez Ramírez and his 23-month-old daughter, Valeria,
facedown, drowned in the Rio Grande?

All are fair game for censorship in a worldview that insists that words and
images are to be judged based on how “safe” they make people feel.

“If K-12 schools start to provide top-down total protection from the
emotional pain of confronting uncomfortable ideas — like what actually
happened in real American history — we should not be at all surprised when
these people go on to college campuses and then, into the work force, and
demand the same sort of comforts: safe spaces, trigger warnings,
microaggression prevention, and so on,” said Robby Soave, the author of
“Panic Attack: Young Radicals in the Age of Trump.” He added: “That’s not
on them. That’s on us.”

The notion of erasing art has an American pedigree. Arnautoff was
intimately familiar with it, having been interrogated in 1956 by the House
Un-American Activities Committee for drawing a caricature of Vice President
Richard Nixon. But I suspect he would have been surprised to learn that
more than 60 years later, progressives in charge of educating San
Francisco’s children are merrily following this un-American playbook.

Bari Weiss (@bariweiss <https://twitter.com/bariweiss>), a staff writer and
editor for the Opinion section, is the author of the forthcoming “How to
Fight Anti-Semitism.”
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 22:28:58 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:28:58 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] San Francisco murals
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The estimable Diana Johnstone has a good note on the murals and the substitution of identity politics (often cynically deployed, as by the Clinton campaign) for an authentic Left:

<https://www.globalresearch.ca/san-francisco-murals-suicide-left/5682193>. —CGE
 


> On Jul 26, 2019, at 4:20 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Much of the discussion between me and Carl Estabrook on News from Neptune today (not yet available on youtube), was based on the efforts of "anti-racist" activists to whitewash over precious New Deal Era WPA murals in a San Francisco high school.
> 
> These efforts are being lead by "Stand Up for Racial Justice," which has a local branch led by Elizabeth Simpson, and has sponsored events at the Urbana U-U church.
> 
> A Counterpunch article referred to on the show can be found here:
> https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/23/whitewashing-american-history-the-wpa-mural-controversy-in-san-francisco/ 
> 
> I especially encourage you to watch the short youtube video linked to in the above piece.
> 
> However, I was not aware at the time of this recording that this issue has been covered extensively by the NYT.
> 
> Of note, this sort of repression gives someone like Bari Weiss, an arch Zionist and neocon, an opportunity to (correctly) denigrate what some think of as the "left." Such efforts, as Noam Chomsky stated in relation to antifa, is a "gift to the right."
> 
> Text of her article is below:
> 
> San Francisco Will Spend $600,000 to Erase History
> The school board has voted to destroy public murals by a New Deal-era Communist.
> 
> 
> By Bari Weiss
> Ms. Weiss is a writer and editor for the Opinion section.
> 	• June 28, 2019
> 	•
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> Image
> A section of the mural at George Washington High School in San Francisco, painted by the Russian-American artist Victor Arnautoff, shows a dead Native American.CreditCreditJim Wilson/The New York Times
> SAN FRANCISCO — More than $8,000. That was the amount John Ashcroft’s Justice Department spent on blue curtains to cover up the busty Spirit of Justice statue and her bare-chested male equivalent, the Majesty of Law, in the department’s Great Hall in 2002. The Victorian move against the Art Deco sculptures spurred a thousand lampoons. “A blue burqa for justice,” my colleague Maureen Dowd memorably called it. In The Harvard Crimson, a young Pete Buttigieg wrote, “It seems odd that an infant is supposed to feed on them, and a grown man is expected at some point to behold them, but for a period in between we feel the need to see to it that no child ever sees a breast.”
> I wonder, then, what Mr. Buttigieg, now on the presidential campaign trail, would make of the San Francisco school board’s unanimous decision on Tuesday night to spend at least $600,000 of taxpayer money not just to shroud a historic work of art but to destroy it.
> By now stories of progressive Puritanism (or perhaps the better word is Philistinism) are so commonplace — snowflakes seek safe space! — that it can feel tedious to track the details of the latest outrage. But this case is so absurd that it’s worth reviewing the specifics.
> Victor Arnautoff, the Russian immigrant who made the paintings in question, was perhaps the most important muralist in the Bay Area during the Depression. Thanks to President Franklin Roosevelt’s Works Progress Administration, he had the opportunity to make some enduring public artworks. Among them is “City Life” in Coit Tower, in which the artist painted himself standing in front of a newspaper rack conspicuously missing the mainstream San Francisco Chronicle and packed with publications like The Daily Worker.
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> Arnautoff, who had assisted Diego Rivera in Mexico, was a committed Communist. “‘Art for art’s sake’ or art as perfume have never appealed to me,” he said in 1935. “The artist is a critic of society.”
> This is why his freshly banned work, “Life of Washington,” does not show the clichéd image of our first president kneeling in prayer at Valley Forge. Instead, the 13-panel, 1,600-square-foot mural, which was painted in 1936 in the just-built George Washington High School, depicts his slaves picking cotton in the fields of Mount Vernon and a group of colonizers walking past the corpse of a Native American.
> “At the time, high school history classes typically ignored the incongruity that Washington and others among the nation’s founders subscribed to the declaration that ‘all men are created equal’ and yet owned other human beings as chattel,” Robert W. Cherny writes in “Victor Arnautoff and the Politics of Art.”
> In other words, Arnautoff’s purpose was to unsettle the viewer, to provoke young people into looking at American history from a different, darker perspective. Over the past months, art historians, New Deal scholars and even a group called the Congress of Russian Americans have tried to make exactly that point.
> “This is a radical and critical work of art,” the school’s alumni association argued. “There are many New Deal murals depicting the founding of our country; very few even acknowledge slavery or the Native genocide. The Arnautoff murals should be preserved for their artistic, historical and educational value. Whitewashing them will simply result in another ‘whitewash’ of the full truth about American history.”
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> Such appeals to reason and history failed to sway the school board. On Tuesday, it dismissed the option to pull an Ashcroft and simply cover the murals, instead voting unanimously to paint them over.
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> These and other explanations from the board’s members reflected the logic of the Reflection and Action Working Group, a committee of activists, students, artists and others put together last year by the district. Arnautoff’s work, the group concluded in February, “glorifies slavery, genocide, colonization, Manifest Destiny, white supremacy, oppression, etc.” The art does not reflect “social justice,” the group said, and it “is not student-centered if it’s focused on the legacy of artists, rather than the experience of the students.”
> And yet many of the school’s actual students seemed to disagree. Of 49 freshmen asked to write about the murals, according to The Times, only four supported their removal. John M. Strain, an English teacher, told The Times’s Carol Pogash that his students “feel bad about offending people but they almost universally don’t think the answer is to erase it.”
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> Mr. Sanchez, the board vice president, told me: “A grave mistake was made 80 years ago to paint a mural at a school without Native American or African-American input. For impressionable young people who attend school to have any representation that diminishes people, specifically students from communities that have already been diminished, it’s an aggressive thing. It’s hurtful and I don’t think our students need to bear that burden.”
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> All are fair game for censorship in a worldview that insists that words and images are to be judged based on how “safe” they make people feel.
> “If K-12 schools start to provide top-down total protection from the emotional pain of confronting uncomfortable ideas — like what actually happened in real American history — we should not be at all surprised when these people go on to college campuses and then, into the work force, and demand the same sort of comforts: safe spaces, trigger warnings, microaggression prevention, and so on,” said Robby Soave, the author of “Panic Attack: Young Radicals in the Age of Trump.” He added: “That’s not on them. That’s on us.”
> The notion of erasing art has an American pedigree. Arnautoff was intimately familiar with it, having been interrogated in 1956 by the House Un-American Activities Committee for drawing a caricature of Vice President Richard Nixon. But I suspect he would have been surprised to learn that more than 60 years later, progressives in charge of educating San Francisco’s children are merrily following this un-American playbook.
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Jul 27 00:10:34 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:10:34 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune #430 notes
Message-ID: <1ffc660d-dff1-f553-648d-4a9ff0cbb634@forestfield.org>

News from Neptune #430
A "Mueller Time Out" edition
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQmiNS6tNGA

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

Jack Heyman on "Whitewashing American History: the WPA Mural Controversy in 
San Francisco"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/23/whitewashing-american-history-the-wpa-mural-controversy-in-san-francisco/

Unitarian Universalist Church of Urbana-Champaign
https://uucuc.org/

Dead Pundit Society show on "The Racial and Political Legacy of the New 
Deal w/ Richard Walker"
Part 1 of 2: 
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/649213451-deadpundits-the-racial-and-political-legacy-of-the-new-deal-w-richard-walker.mp3
Part 2 of 2: 
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/650143733-deadpundits-lessons-for-the-green-new-deal-from-the-past-w-richard-walker-b-side.mp3
RSS feed for Dead Pundit Society show: 
https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:292981343/sounds.rss

CUP (CU Progressives)
https://cup61820.org/

The Characteristics of White Supremacy Culture
https://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/white-supremacy-culture-characteristics.html

Diana Johnstone on "The San Francisco Murals and the “Suicide of the Left”"
https://www.globalresearch.ca/san-francisco-murals-suicide-left/5682193

Walter Benn Michaels on "It's Not Racism vs. Anti-Racism; It's Capitalism 
vs. Socialism"
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-is-the-left-without-identity-politics/
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/12/18/its-not-racism-vs-anti-racism-its-capitalism-vs-socialism

Zack Budryk on "Pressley defends breaking with 'squad' on BDS vote"
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/454596-pressley-defends-breaking-with-squad-on-bds-vote

Related: 
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/tulsi-gabbard-vote-against-bds-ayanna-pressley-united-states-congress-anti-bds-bill-20190725-0009.html 
-- Tulsi Gabbard, Ro Khanna, and Ayanna Pressley voted for AIPAC’s 
resolution to condemn BDS.

Related: https://twitter.com/AbbyMartin/status/1154089799923298304 -- 
"Tulsi Gabbard, Ro Khanna & Ayanna Pressley all just voted for AIPAC’s 
resolution to condemn BDS. It’s not progressive to embolden Trump’s attacks 
& legitimize an apartheid state committing an ongoing massacre." (Abby Martin)

Related: 
https://theintercept.com/2018/08/18/mike-capuano-ayanna-pressley-massachusetts-primary/ 
-- Lee Fang, Zaid Jilani on "One of the Strongest Progressives in Congress 
Is Facing a Primary Challenger Invoking Identity and Change. Will She 
Unseat Him?"

J.B. Nicholson's notes
https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-July/051073.html

-J

From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sun Jul 28 14:46:13 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 09:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Misrepresenting Chomsky
Message-ID: <C2C976ED-7C42-4DB9-BACE-3186A89B187D@gmail.com>

<https://noamsfootnotes.com/2019/07/27/misrepresenting-chomsky-101/#more-729>

‘...Some time back the evolutionary biologist Jerry Coyne, an ardent proponent of New Atheism who somehow also claims to be a “secular Jew”, wrote long ranting post about how Chomsky goes “off the rails” at times. Those times that Coyne was referring to, of course, involves instances where Chomsky refuses to accept the Just Cause excuse usually paraded around during the many attempts at justifying US and Israeli atrocities. According to Coyne this is too much, because Chomsky apparently fails to see the good intentions (in the case of US) and existential factors (in the case of Israel) involved in these efforts…’

—CGE



From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sun Jul 28 23:20:02 2019
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 23:20:02 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] What is  porn?
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB228379D8875C91619A72B5898CC20@DM5PR1101MB2283.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

>From The New York Times:  072819

Why We Call Things ‘Porn’

The word captures a new way of relating to food, real estate and even moral outrage.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/26/opinion/sunday/porn.html

From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 18:24:46 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C. G. Estabrook )
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:24:46 -0500
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Mon Jul 29 19:41:54 2019
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:41:54 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] WaPo: how Pete B. went from war protester to war
 veteran
Message-ID: <CALMNhNTa0NMy90BE-tV5UD03MsCPj2tG-bqSSj7anhR3qJY7Fg@mail.gmail.com>

This is pretty damning.

"It was only after Barack Obama was elected, and just months before
Buttigieg would launch his own political career, that he finally walked
into the recruiting office.

Only then did he decide to join a conflict that six years earlier he had
denounced from the stage of an antiwar rally."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/29/how-pete-buttigieg-went-war-protester-packing-my-bags-afghanistan/

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 20:06:38 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 15:06:38 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] WaPo: how Pete B. went from war protester to
 war veteran
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNTa0NMy90BE-tV5UD03MsCPj2tG-bqSSj7anhR3qJY7Fg@mail.gmail.com>
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The best analysis of Buttigieg I’ve seen (I knew his father sightly at Notre Dame) is by Nathan Robinson in the excellent Current Affairs:

<https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete>.

And here’s Robinson’s interesting follow-up to his article: <https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/04/why-bother-trying-to-persuade-anyone>.

—CGE



> On Jul 29, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> This is pretty damning. 
> 
> "It was only after Barack Obama was elected, and just months before Buttigieg would launch his own political career, that he finally walked into the recruiting office.
> 
> Only then did he decide to join a conflict that six years earlier he had denounced from the stage of an antiwar rally."
> 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/29/how-pete-buttigieg-went-war-protester-packing-my-bags-afghanistan/
> 
> ===
> 
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Mon Jul 29 20:24:55 2019
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 15:24:55 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] WaPo: how Pete B. went from war protester to
 war veteran
In-Reply-To: <1DAEE8BE-72AD-4FFC-A93A-F1C16431CD5F@gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNTa0NMy90BE-tV5UD03MsCPj2tG-bqSSj7anhR3qJY7Fg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALMNhNRD3OdTpP7rfvLE380KTGY+sBAb5tQJ+hH6Mikbq-9E3Q@mail.gmail.com>

It's amazing what these people get away with thanks to TV "news." Kamala
Harris got all this fawning TV "news" coverage for her takedown of Biden on
federally-forced busing. She later admitted that she is also against
federally-forced busing, the exact same position as Biden. The TV media are
rewarding favored candidates for shallow posturing. The NYT and WaPo race
to catch up. Not that I love the NYT and WaPo; I hate them too. But
compared to the TV "news" they are I.F. Stone.

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On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 3:07 PM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> The best analysis of Buttigieg I’ve seen (I knew his father sightly at
> Notre Dame) is by Nathan Robinson in the excellent Current Affairs:
>
> <https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete>.
>
> And here’s Robinson’s interesting follow-up to his article: <
> https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/04/why-bother-trying-to-persuade-anyone
> >.
>
> —CGE
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This is pretty damning.
> >
> > "It was only after Barack Obama was elected, and just months before
> Buttigieg would launch his own political career, that he finally walked
> into the recruiting office.
> >
> > Only then did he decide to join a conflict that six years earlier he had
> denounced from the stage of an antiwar rally."
> >
> >
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/29/how-pete-buttigieg-went-war-protester-packing-my-bags-afghanistan/
> >
> > ===
> >
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 21:10:48 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:10:48 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] WaPo: how Pete B. went from war protester to
 war veteran
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I’m going to feature Robinson’s stuff on Buttigieg on AWARE ON THE AIR tomorrow, while the WaPo-faced MSM is featuring his war record…

The political establishment as usual is frightened that peace may break out and constrain the pro-war-provocation/pro-concentration-of-wealth policies that have been the mainstay of all recent administrations. 

—CGE

PS - I had the pleasure of knowing Stone slightly, long ago and far away. A great man - requiescat in pace.
 

> On Jul 29, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> It's amazing what these people get away with thanks to TV "news." Kamala Harris got all this fawning TV "news" coverage for her takedown of Biden on federally-forced busing. She later admitted that she is also against federally-forced busing, the exact same position as Biden. The TV media are rewarding favored candidates for shallow posturing. The NYT and WaPo race to catch up. Not that I love the NYT and WaPo; I hate them too. But compared to the TV "news" they are I.F. Stone. 
> 
> ===
> 
> Robert Reuel Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 3:07 PM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> The best analysis of Buttigieg I’ve seen (I knew his father sightly at Notre Dame) is by Nathan Robinson in the excellent Current Affairs:
> 
> <https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete>.
> 
> And here’s Robinson’s interesting follow-up to his article: <https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/04/why-bother-trying-to-persuade-anyone>.
> 
> —CGE
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > This is pretty damning. 
> > 
> > "It was only after Barack Obama was elected, and just months before Buttigieg would launch his own political career, that he finally walked into the recruiting office.
> > 
> > Only then did he decide to join a conflict that six years earlier he had denounced from the stage of an antiwar rally."
> > 
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/29/how-pete-buttigieg-went-war-protester-packing-my-bags-afghanistan/
> > 
> > ===
> > 
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Mon Jul 29 21:15:36 2019
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:15:36 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] WaPo: how Pete B. went from war protester to
 war veteran
In-Reply-To: <E5F210BD-8A71-49D1-80D7-F5B6E925B2C3@gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNTa0NMy90BE-tV5UD03MsCPj2tG-bqSSj7anhR3qJY7Fg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1DAEE8BE-72AD-4FFC-A93A-F1C16431CD5F@gmail.com>
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As horrible as the so-called "debates" are, there's always a chance for the
truth to break free.

Check this out. She's going to be on the debate stage.

2020 Democrat Marianne Williamson: U.S. backing "genocidal war" in Yemen
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marianne-williamson-on-face-the-nation-2020-democratic-candidate-says-u-s-backing-genocidal-war-in-yemen/

===

Robert Reuel Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1





On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 4:11 PM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> I’m going to feature Robinson’s stuff on Buttigieg on AWARE ON THE AIR
> tomorrow, while the WaPo-faced MSM is featuring his war record…
>
> The political establishment as usual is frightened that peace may break
> out and constrain the pro-war-provocation/pro-concentration-of-wealth
> policies that have been the mainstay of all recent administrations.
>
> —CGE
>
> PS - I had the pleasure of knowing Stone slightly, long ago and far away.
> A great man - requiescat in pace.
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It's amazing what these people get away with thanks to TV "news." Kamala
> Harris got all this fawning TV "news" coverage for her takedown of Biden on
> federally-forced busing. She later admitted that she is also against
> federally-forced busing, the exact same position as Biden. The TV media are
> rewarding favored candidates for shallow posturing. The NYT and WaPo race
> to catch up. Not that I love the NYT and WaPo; I hate them too. But
> compared to the TV "news" they are I.F. Stone.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 3:07 PM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > The best analysis of Buttigieg I’ve seen (I knew his father sightly at
> Notre Dame) is by Nathan Robinson in the excellent Current Affairs:
> >
> > <https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete>.
> >
> > And here’s Robinson’s interesting follow-up to his article: <
> https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/04/why-bother-trying-to-persuade-anyone
> >.
> >
> > —CGE
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 29, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > This is pretty damning.
> > >
> > > "It was only after Barack Obama was elected, and just months before
> Buttigieg would launch his own political career, that he finally walked
> into the recruiting office.
> > >
> > > Only then did he decide to join a conflict that six years earlier he
> had denounced from the stage of an antiwar rally."
> > >
> > >
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/29/how-pete-buttigieg-went-war-protester-packing-my-bags-afghanistan/
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > Robert Reuel Naiman
> > > Policy Director
> > > Just Foreign Policy
> > > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > > (202) 448-2898 x1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 20:27:47 2019
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 15:27:47 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Davis "town hall"
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyHbuTjuzNtfqgozVOwNSDe7AFPtgT0y4Kd0vOgVaPggxw@mail.gmail.com>

For informational purposes, N-G coverage this morning:

OPEN GOVERNMENT NIGHT

‘PERIOD OF PROGRESS’

Over 200 attend event to hear what Rep. Davis has to say

By TIM MITCHELL

tmitchel at news-gazette.com

DECATUR — Facing a crowd that jeered and cheered, applauded and booed,
Rodney Davis spent Monday evening answering questions about tweets, tariffs
and other issues making headlines — both in central Illinois and beyond.

The Republican U.S. representative from Taylorville appeared before a crowd
of 245 people, ranging from college students to senior citizens and
representing both sides of the aisle. They packed the auditorium at
Decatur’s Richland Community College for what was billed as Davis’ first
“Open Government Night,” costarring state Rep. Dan Caulkins, R-Decatur.

“I attended because I wanted to hear what Rodney Davis had to say about
women’s reproductive rights,” said Danielle Jones of Urbana.

“I came because Congressman Davis is helping President (Donald) Trump

Please see DAVIS, A-6

When today’s first of back-to-back Democratic debates ( 7-9 p.m. both
nights, CNN) is over, JIM BOHANNON’s national radio show begins on WDWS
1400-AM. So News-Gazette Media asked the host: What question would you ask
the presidential hopefuls if you had the microphone?

“This country remains highly vulnerable to an electro-magnetic pulse
attack. Simply

launching three small nukes into the upper atmosphere — from ships off the
Atlantic Coast, the Pacific Coast and the Gulf of Mexico — could possibly
generate sufficient radiation bursts to burn out anything electronic within
the entire continental U.S. Such an attack — well within the capabilities
of a North Korea, for example — could conceivably plunge this country into
the 19th century, killing transportation, refrigeration and modern
communications. The cost of retro-fitting the country’s electronics with
shielding could probably be done for only a few billion dollars — a minor
expense, indeed, given what’s at stake.

“The question: What would your administration be prepared to do to prevent
this?”

U.S. Rep. Rodney Davis, R-Taylorville, answers a question with state Rep.
Dan Caulkins, R-Decatur, on Monday during an ‘Open Government Night’ event
on the campus of Richland Community College in Decatur.

Clay Jackson/Herald & Review


------------------------------

DAVIS

Continued from A-*1*

make America great again,” said Juanita Green of Champaign.

Over the 90-minute program, Davis fielded 22 questions submitted by
audience members and screened by a moderator, Decatur Herald & Review
Editor Chris Coates.

“Constituent service is a big deal to me,” said Davis, who had come under
fire in the past for not making himself available to voters — particularly
to groups opposed to his policies in Champaign-Urbana.

“We not only talk to constituents, but we act on their behalf,” added
Davis, whose staff plans to hold similar events in other parts of his
district. As of last week, a Champaign- Urbana date had yet not been
discussed, according to a Davis spokeswoman.

Monday’s event was reminiscent of an old-time vaudeville show, with fans
and opponents of the congressman breaking in from time to time for applause
or cat calls.

A sampling of what Davis said: — On Trump’s recent tweets and chants from
his supporters at rallies, some of which have been described as racist by
political opponents and others: “We need to tweet a lot less and govern a
lot more.”

Speaking specifically about the president urging four non-white female
Democratic members of Congress to go back to the countries they came from —
three of the four were born in the U.S. — Davis said: “I do not think that
was an appropriate thing to talk about.”

— On the effects on soybean farmers of trade tariffs with China: “If the
two sides sit down together, I think they can come up with an agreement
that will alleviate the tariffs. The farmers of this country deserve all
the help they can.”

— On immigration: “I voted for and helped negotiate two immigration bills
in the last Congress. One of those bills would have built a bordersecurity
structure. It is not compassionate to not have a structure that will allow
us to enforce our laws in this country.”

— On armed violence in America: “It is pretty tough answering a
gun violence question when you have experience having to run from bullets
withouttalking about it,” Davis said, referring to a gunmanopening fire in
2017 during

a Team GOP softball practice in Virginia.

“We were victims of gun violence from a crazed lunatic who was intoxicated
by politics. We need to address the mental health crisis in this country.”

— On the Affordable Care Act: “Thank you, Obama, for the 60 million
Americans who still don’t have coverage.”

— On global warming: “Climate change is real, but we don’t know how much is
caused by man and how much is caused by natural occurrences.”

— On what’s at stake in the 2020 census, particularly if there’s an
undercount in Illinois: “We may not only lose one or two congressional
seats, it will lessen the amount of money we get and the number of
electoral votes we have to elect the president.”

— On solar power: “Solar can be a part of our energy economy. I voted to
increase tax credits for solar projects. There is room for every energy
approach.”

— On international interference in American elections: “The Trump
administration is going to do a lot more (to prevent it in 2020) than the
Obama administration (did).”

— On how history will judge this era of government: “We under-appreciate
what this moment means for this country. We have historic low unemployment,
historic economic growth. History ought to look back at this time as a
period of progress.”

Champaign’s Terry Maher, left, holds a sign outside on Monday before the
‘Open Government Night’ event featuring U.S. Rep. Rodney Davis,
R-Taylorville, in the Shilling Community Education Center on the campus of
Richland Community College.

Clay Jackson/Herald & Review
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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Wed Jul 31 16:52:59 2019
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 11:52:59 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] A report from the Rodney Davis show Monday night in
 Decatur
Message-ID: <005e01d547c0$73ee55f0$5bcb01d0$@comcast.net>

A report from the Rodney Davis show Monday night in Decatur, written by
Labor activist and Staley Lock-out veteran Mike Griffin.

 

The Con

 

A few days ago I went to what was supposed to be a town hall meeting with
U.S. Rep. Rodney Davis and IL Rep. Dan Caulkins. The event was moderated
{controlled] by the Decatur Herald editor Chris Choates who stated the forum
was Davis' idea. Davis, since his first day in office a few years ago, has
refused to hold public meetings where he could be held accountable for his
extremist Republican agenda. The absence of accountability has been the
source of a lot of public criticism and threatens his re-election bid. The
timing of this event was no accident but it is disturbing the Herald and
Review would aid his con.

This controlled forum with no input or questions from the audience was
nothing more than a Kellyann Conway scam where only one side of the story
was told. As I entered the Schilling Center there was a sizable crowd of
protesters {real patriots} at the entrance. A loud cheer went up when I
thanked them for defending our democracy. Security was tight and each person
was required to be registered. Davis was going to make sure his lies were
not challenged. Prior to the opening Davis had a movie sized video
presentation touting his accomplishments including one on accessibility. The
largely Republican crowd sucked it up.

Choates asked questions submitted to him at the herald and each candidate
was allowed 2 minutes to respond with no follow-up or rebuttal. Both spent
most of their time bashing Democrats, the "Chicago Machine", Mike Madigan,
and the fact they no longer had control. Both distorted the facts, lied,
manipulated reality and finally drew boos from the crowd. Davis was as
polished in Trumpian fact bending as Kellyann.

The blame game got old quickly and I stood up and challenged Dan Caulkins
who instantly became angry; exactly what I hope for. He told me to leave and
I refused which was supported by several audience members who must have come
in from the demonstration. He loudly demanded my name which I loudly gave.
Apparently Caulkins hasn't gotten over his military career as a lifer who
barks orders. He told me to leave and rushed to the front of the stage and
screamed for me to leave and I responded that I was a veteran who defended
democracy and I had a right to be there, to speak up, and I was not leaving
and I would not shut up. The moderator switched to Davis and I sat down.
During the exchange supporters loudly protested the effort to silence me and
force me to leave. From that point on there was numerous responses from the
crowd at every answer given by both con men. Davis bashed Obama and outright
lied about a Republican health care bill after distorting the ACA. At one
point I stood up again and called Davis a fraud. Less than a minute a young
Republican moron in a suit, who was part of the Davis staff or security,
slipped between the seats to my rear and leaned over and told me that I
would have to leave. I refused and he told me to be quiet and I responded
that I would not and I was not leaving and it's going take more than him.
The real kicker came when Davis told the crowd Trump did not break any laws!
In a real democratic setting that statement would have caused Davis to be
run out of town, except for the large number of Republican boot lickers who
could care less about democracy and decency.

The real takeaway was politicians must not be allowed to get away with
schemes to insulate themselves from voters even though we are not their real
constituents. They think they only have to answer to the elite donors who
fund the various PACs where they can hide their identity.  We must not fear
a power that is only given by voters and can and should be taken away when
it is abused. We do not have to sit silently at these fraudulent dog and
pony shows less we become complicit in the ruse. That is why our precious
democracy is at risk today. Republicans are forsaking every American value
by worshiping the evil in the White House. I would only have left that venue
if confronted by someone with a badge. I would have welcomed it to show how
fragile our democracy really is.

Mike Griffin Decatur IL

 

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 20:45:17 2019
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:45:17 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] A report from the Rodney Davis show Monday
 night in Decatur
In-Reply-To: <005e01d547c0$73ee55f0$5bcb01d0$@comcast.net>
References: <005e01d547c0$73ee55f0$5bcb01d0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <27D1C0CA-486F-4099-BDAA-67954D575D38@gmail.com>

Bravo.


> On Jul 31, 2019, at 11:52 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> A report from the Rodney Davis show Monday night in Decatur, written by Labor activist and Staley Lock-out veteran Mike Griffin.
> 
> 
> 
> The Con
> 
> 
> 
> A few days ago I went to what was supposed to be a town hall meeting with U.S. Rep. Rodney Davis and IL Rep. Dan Caulkins. The event was moderated {controlled] by the Decatur Herald editor Chris Choates who stated the forum was Davis’ idea. Davis, since his first day in office a few years ago, has refused to hold public meetings where he could be held accountable for his extremist Republican agenda. The absence of accountability has been the source of a lot of public criticism and threatens his re-election bid. The timing of this event was no accident but it is disturbing the Herald and Review would aid his con.
> 
> This controlled forum with no input or questions from the audience was nothing more than a Kellyann Conway scam where only one side of the story was told. As I entered the Schilling Center there was a sizable crowd of protesters {real patriots} at the entrance. A loud cheer went up when I thanked them for defending our democracy. Security was tight and each person was required to be registered. Davis was going to make sure his lies were not challenged. Prior to the opening Davis had a movie sized video presentation touting his accomplishments including one on accessibility. The largely Republican crowd sucked it up.
> 
> Choates asked questions submitted to him at the herald and each candidate was allowed 2 minutes to respond with no follow-up or rebuttal. Both spent most of their time bashing Democrats, the “Chicago Machine”, Mike Madigan, and the fact they no longer had control. Both distorted the facts, lied, manipulated reality and finally drew boos from the crowd. Davis was as polished in Trumpian fact bending as Kellyann.
> 
> The blame game got old quickly and I stood up and challenged Dan Caulkins who instantly became angry; exactly what I hope for. He told me to leave and I refused which was supported by several audience members who must have come in from the demonstration. He loudly demanded my name which I loudly gave. Apparently Caulkins hasn’t gotten over his military career as a lifer who barks orders. He told me to leave and rushed to the front of the stage and screamed for me to leave and I responded that I was a veteran who defended democracy and I had a right to be there, to speak up, and I was not leaving and I would not shut up. The moderator switched to Davis and I sat down. During the exchange supporters loudly protested the effort to silence me and force me to leave. From that point on there was numerous responses from the crowd at every answer given by both con men. Davis bashed Obama and outright lied about a Republican health care bill after distorting the ACA. At one point I stood up again and called Davis a fraud. Less than a minute a young Republican moron in a suit, who was part of the Davis staff or security, slipped between the seats to my rear and leaned over and told me that I would have to leave. I refused and he told me to be quiet and I responded that I would not and I was not leaving and it’s going take more than him. The real kicker came when Davis told the crowd Trump did not break any laws! In a real democratic setting that statement would have caused Davis to be run out of town, except for the large number of Republican boot lickers who could care less about democracy and decency.
> 
> The real takeaway was politicians must not be allowed to get away with schemes to insulate themselves from voters even though we are not their real constituents. They think they only have to answer to the elite donors who fund the various PACs where they can hide their identity.  We must not fear a power that is only given by voters and can and should be taken away when it is abused. We do not have to sit silently at these fraudulent dog and pony shows less we become complicit in the ruse. That is why our precious democracy is at risk today. Republicans are forsaking every American value by worshiping the evil in the White House. I would only have left that venue if confronted by someone with a badge. I would have welcomed it to show how fragile our democracy really is.
> 
> Mike Griffin Decatur IL
> 
> 
> 
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Wed Jul 31 23:19:01 2019
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 18:19:01 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE on the Air #488 notes
Message-ID: <80575b59-aefb-7270-b6e0-0ff3ba0c4204@forestfield.org>

AWARE on the Air #488
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DevlOQV-F8

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

Steve Hendrix, Josh Partlow on "How Pete Buttigieg went from war protester 
to ‘packing my bags for Afghanistan’"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/29/how-pete-buttigieg-went-war-protester-packing-my-bags-afghanistan/

Robert Naiman in response
https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-July/051081.html

Nathan J. Robinson on "All About Pete"
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete

Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE1AjPmC9dk -- Jimmy Dore and crew 
on wealthy actor Alyssa Milano's conclusion that policies don't matter and 
all that matters is "beating Trump" in 2020. She maintains this position 
because, for her and other members of the elite, policies really don't 
matter -- she has the healthcare she and her family need, she can afford a 
nice place to live, and knows where her next meals are coming from. She'd 
rather avoid a policy discussion rather than reveal how much a member of 
the 1% she is. The 99%, on the other hand, don't have this certainty about 
their immediate future. So for the 99% policies matter a great deal because 
neoliberalism (a set of policies which increase the distance between the 
wealthy and the poor and do so at an accelerating rate) hurt their 
interests. Those interests include a living wage, health care, having a 
good home in which to live (not merely avoiding homelessness) with 
lead-free paint and running potable water, and so many other things 
elitists like Milano can afford to buy if necessary. The poor lose their 
children to the neocon wars they must enter because joining the military is 
the only chance they have at going to college and having an increased 
chance of getting a full-time wage job. The operative factors of the 2016 
and 2020 US presidential elections are very much about class, not "beating 
Trump".

-J