[Peace-discuss] impeachment

[Roger Helbig]

Precisely, what is Nuremberg's definition - I doubt you have ever read it!

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 6:16 PM C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> <https://chomsky.info/1990____-2/>
>
> "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American
> president would have been hanged."
>
> The point is easily extended to all recent presidents. Of course Trump
> should be impeached (like Obama) for ‘aggressive war,’ under Nuremberg’s
> defintion.
>
> —CGE
>
>
> > On Mar 15, 2019, at 6:53 PM, Ian Welsh <noreply+feedproxy at google.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ian Welsh
> > There Is No Downside To Impeaching Trump For Democrats
> > Posted: 14 Mar 2019 04:57 PM PDT
> > Nancy Pelosi recently said:
> >
> > Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something
> so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go
> down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.
> >
> > I note, first of all, that Nancy Pelosi ruled out impeaching George
> Bush, so her reluctance to impeach for clear crimes is consistent with her
> record. I never understood why others thought that Pelosi would be
> pro-impeachment. The idea that she’s some partisan fighter is contradicted
> by her record. Pelosi is what she has, she has beliefs, and those beliefs
> include that the right is respectable and that left are unrealistic losers
> (as when she dismissed the Green New Deal.)
> >
> > But let’s leave Pelosi aside for a moment. The Democrats have control of
> the House. They can impeach. They cannot convict in the Senate, but
> impeachment is certainly possible.
> >
> > Why would they want to?
> >
> > Because it would cripple Trump and Republicans. During the period of the
> impeachment, Republicans would be able to get virtually nothing done,
> except by executive fiat.
> >
> > Because the impeachment hearings would completely dominate months of
> news cycles: constantly hammering in every illegal, crooked, corrupt and
> cruel thing that Trump has done.
> >
> > This is largely a no lose, if you were actually partisan: there isn’t a
> lot that House Dems can get thru anyway while the Republicans control the
> Presidency, Senate and Supreme Court. You can’t actually get most of your
> legislation thru without crippling compromises so this is fine.
> >
> > Control the news cycle; make sure bad legislation doesn’t pass for
> months; keep Trump tied down fighting impeachment and on top of that spend
> months talking about every shitty thing he has done.
> >
> > Some may argue impeachment might “backfire”, that Americans “want to see
> legislators working”, but that sort of argument has been made for decades.
> Contempt for Congress isn’t going to get much worse (it hardly can), and if
> working means doing the wrong thing, it’s better not to.
> >
> > In the face of all the positives, like dragging Trump thru the mud,
> crippling his ability to do anything, and controlling the news cycle,
> impeachment starts looking, politically, like an obvious thing to do.
> >
> > And if you actually care about justice, well, Trump is at the very
> least, a walking emoluments violation. He is clearly profiting from being
> President. Carter had to sell his peanut farm, Trump hasn’t even put
> everything into blind trusts and many of his businesses are clearly
> profiting from his Presidency.
> >
> > Bush should have been impeached. Trump should be impeached. Ironically,
> Clinton, who was impeached, shouldn’t have been (lying about consensual sex
> is a ridiculously low bar.)
> >
> > Pelosi made the wrong decision with Bush. She appears in danger of
> making the wrong decision here. I doubt she’ll change her mind, but I hope
> I’m wrong.
> >
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