[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Mueller madness (fill out your bracket)

[C. G. Estabrook]

Perhaps we (& the world) would have been better off with Clinton, a consistent war-criminal, than with Trump, an erratic one.

I was not asserting that Trump was [or was not] serious in changing foreign policy. The important point (the source of Russiagate) is what the establishment feared from him.


> On Mar 27, 2019, at 11:47 AM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
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> Indeed Carl,
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> 90 % of the ruling class and corporate America supported Hillary Clinton, including the Koch Bros. and Henry Kissinger. Clinton and her husband have been loyal servants to the ruling class for decades and hence she was predictable. Trump on the other hand although a billionaire, was never a team player and the ruling class was uncertain as to how serious he was about his anti-NAFTA -Free trade statements and in particular his anti-military interventionist statements.
> One main function amongst several reasons for the Russia gate conspiracy theory was to whip Trump in shape to not stray from the foreign policy agenda. And it worked. 
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> But what I was reacting to was your statement implying that Trump was serious in changing foreign policy. He more than likely had no intentions of doing so, just re-organizing the focus towards other areas / countries.
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> David J.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 11:23 AM
> To: David Johnson
> Cc: John W.; Peace-discuss
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Mueller madness (fill out your bracket)
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> But what the establishment feared from him was "the loss of its Russian enemy to normalized relations…”
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>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 11:19 AM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
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>> More likely Trump lied Carl, just like he did on most other issues ( NAFTA, stopping plant closings, etc. ).
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>> David J.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 9:36 AM
>> To: John W.
>> Cc: David Johnson; Peace-discuss
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Mueller madness (fill out your bracket)
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>> Neocons (in both parties) are the fronts in government, the press, and the academy for "an utterly corrupt and immoral military/security complex determined to protect its $1,000 billion annual budget and the power that goes with it from the loss of its Russian enemy to normalized relations; [it includes] Hillary’s DNC…”
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>> See <https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/03/25/now-we-will-find-out-if-trump-is-really-the-president-or-merely-a-figurehead/>.
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>> After attacking them in the campaign, Trump has brought them into his administration, perhaps on the LBJ theory that it’s better to have them inside the tent pissing out that the other way around…
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>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:50 AM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 8:34 AM David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
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>>> Neo-Con war mongers are bi-partisan John.
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>>> David J.
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>>> So I'm told.   Did Pompeo and Bolton, then, concoct the smear against the Prince of Peace, Donald J. Trump?  Are they the ones who invented Russiagate out of whole cloth?
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>>> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of John W. via Peace-discuss
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>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:28 AM
>>> To: C. G. Estabrook
>>> Cc: Peace-discuss; C. G. Estabrook
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Mueller madness (fill out your bracket)
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>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:41 AM C. G. Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Warmongers like Pompeo and Bolton.
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>>> Right.  And they're Republicans, are they not?  Trump's Republicans, in point of fact?
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>>> Now I'm even MORE confused.  :-(
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>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 1:16 AM, John W. via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 11:14 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>>> https://nypost.com/2019/03/25/mueller-madness-the-media-pundits-who-got-it-most-wrong/
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>>> Amidst all the fun, it's worthwhile remembering why the US political establishment concocted this smear against Trump: they were desperately afraid he would reduce the Obama administration's wars and war provocations, which were designed to prevent the emergence of Russia and China as what Brzezinski called 'peer competitors' for US economic hegemony.
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>>> That fear has subsided, as the neocons are back in control.
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>>> Wait, Carl.  Who are the neocons again?  Please remind me.
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>>> —CGE
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