From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Sun Mar  1 04:11:07 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:11:07 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] US/Russian weaponry
In-Reply-To: <CAPnrEOXstGgjoxZepX7o2L9qsFM0n-VpyoyeNHxy2BaxLL8tPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <789241D3-DBD8-44BF-8F02-142AF6C585A4@newsfromneptune.com>
 <CAPnrEOXstGgjoxZepX7o2L9qsFM0n-VpyoyeNHxy2BaxLL8tPQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Andrew Cockburn, the author, wrote the excellent 2015 book, "Kill Chain: Drones and the Rise of High-Tech Assassins?:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_Chain:_Drones_and_the_Rise_of_High-Tech_Assassins>. 


> On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:55 PM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> That was quite informative, Carl.  Thank you.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> https://lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n05/andrew-cockburn/like-a-ball-of-fire


From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 22:38:00 2020
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 16:38:00 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Nation endorses Bernie Sanders
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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 22:51:58 2020
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 16:51:58 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Democracy for America endorses Bernie
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Howard Dean, whose 2004 candidacy spawned DFA, must be soiling himself
today. :)

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Charles Chamberlain, Democracy for America <
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Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:52 PM
Subject: BREAKING: DFA Endorses...
To: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>




I?ve got breaking news, Robert.

It?s official. After receiving 79.3% in the DFA membership vote, easily
passing the 67% supermajority threshold, Bernie Sanders has earned our
endorsement in a resounding victory over the rest of the field.

Bernie has built a powerful multi-racial, multi-generational movement and
we?re excited to join the campaign at this critical moment in the
Democratic race thanks to DFA members nationwide overwhelmingly choosing
Senator Sanders as the candidate to defeat Donald Trump in November.

>From Super Tuesday to the Democratic Convention in Milwaukee, we?ll be
working every day to make sure Bernie wins the most votes, the most
delegates, and the most states nationwide to become the Democratic nominee.

*With 16 elections tomorrow, including California and Texas, and dozens
more over the next two weeks, including Michigan, Arizona, Ohio, and
Florida, we need to step up immediately and help mobilize progressives to
get out the vote for Bernie. Contribute $3 or more right now to Bernie
Sanders and DFA by 11:59pm PT on TONIGHT -- and show the establishment the
power of your support and the DFA grassroots army nationwide.*
<https://act.democracyforamerica.com/go/46682?t=1&refcode=g-BernieEndorse0302.d-20200302.m-23456.s-151039&akid=23456%2E1075061%2EMp6CoU>

<https://act.democracyforamerica.com/go/46682?t=2&refcode=g-BernieEndorse0302.d-20200302.m-23456.s-151039&akid=23456%2E1075061%2EMp6CoU>

This overwhelming support for Bernie should be a wake-up call to the
broken, visionless, corporate Democratic establishment. Americans want
fundamental change in Washington, not a return to the status quo.

In the most important election of our lifetimes, Bernie Sanders is the
candidate who is energizing our base, connecting with those who have long
felt ignored by our politics, and electrifying the next generation of
Americans we need to beat Donald Trump, win up and down the ballot
nationwide, and fight for bold, inclusive populist reforms like Medicare
for All, a Green New Deal, and robust criminal justice reform.

*That?s why we?re committed to doing everything we can to help Sanders
secure the Democratic nomination in Milwaukee and defeat Donald Trump in
November.*

What does that support look like? After the DFA endorsement of Sanders in
2016, here?s a sample of our impact:

   - Raised over $2 million in grassroots contributions directly for the
   Sanders campaign
   - Organized 119,000 volunteer shifts helping the campaign make over 11
   million voter contact calls and knock on over 5 million doors
   - Embedded DFA staff at Sanders HQ to train dozens of campaign staff and
   help optimize the campaign?s volunteer recruitment and training of
   thousands of activists across the country
   - Strongly supported Sanders in dozens of media outlets across the
   country while keeping the focus on our positive progressive vision for
   America

*As the candidates of the corporate wing drop out and start to consolidate
their support for an Bernie-alternative, our endorsement on the eve of
Super Tuesday can be a game-changer -- but only if DFA members step up
right now and take action. Please click here to contribute $3 or more right
now to Bernie Sanders and DFA by 11:59pm TONIGHT -- and show the
establishment the power of the DFA grassroots army.*
<https://act.democracyforamerica.com/go/46682?t=3&refcode=g-BernieEndorse0302.d-20200302.m-23456.s-151039&akid=23456%2E1075061%2EMp6CoU>

Senator Elizabeth Warren was the only candidate to give Bernie a real
challenge for your support with 13% of the vote.

Here?s the breakdown of the full results:

   - Sen. Bernie Sanders (79.3%)
   - Sen. Elizabeth Warren (13.2%)
   - Vice President Joe Biden (2.5%)
   - Mayor Pete Buttigieg (1.7%)
   - Mayor Michael Bloomberg (1.2%)
   - Sen. Amy Klobuchar (0.9%)
   - Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (0.7%)
   - Tom Steyer (0.3%)
   - ?Don?t Endorse? (0.3%)

*DFA members remain committed to our Progressive Unite 2020 pledge we
launched in early January with 18 other groups, including among others the
Working Families Party and Progressive Change Campaign Committee who?ve
endorsed Warren and the Sunrise Movement and Our Revolution who?ve endorsed
Bernie.*

While we will focus our fight for the nomination on Bernie?s positive
vision for America, we will defend our campaign against attacks and focus
our fire in the fight for the Democratic nomination on the candidates
supported by the corporate wing.

*The establishment is watching to see what kind of impact this endorsement
will have on the presidential race. Let?s show them we can?t be stopped.
Please chip in $3 or more now to support Bernie and DFA by 11:59pm TONIGHT
and show them that we're in this to win it on Super Tuesday and beyond!*
<https://act.democracyforamerica.com/go/46682?t=4&refcode=g-BernieEndorse0302.d-20200302.m-23456.s-151039&akid=23456%2E1075061%2EMp6CoU>

This is a big day at the start of an even bigger week. Let?s get out there
and win the nomination together, because this campaign isn?t about Bernie.

It?s about all of us.

It?s about our vision for America.

*It?s about defeating Donald Trump in November.*

Thank you for everything you?re doing to win.

Charles Chamberlain, Chair
Democracy for America








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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Tue Mar  3 12:22:27 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 06:22:27 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald Trump
Message-ID: <0FEADBE0-C12A-4A71-AB7B-BAA15CF60744@newsfromneptune.com>

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/on-afghanistan-three-words-i-never-thought-id-write-bravo-donald-trump/

Obama expanded US war in Afghanistan: Trump campaigned on bringing US troops home.

?CGE

From moboct1 at aim.com  Tue Mar  3 12:55:42 2020
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:55:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald Trump--"WE'LL SEE WHAT
 HAPPENS..."
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-----Original Message-----
From: C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: Peace <peace at anti-war.net>
Cc: peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
Sent: Tue, Mar 3, 2020 6:23 am
Subject: [Peace-discuss] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald Trump

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/on-afghanistan-three-words-i-never-thought-id-write-bravo-donald-trump/

Obama expanded US war in Afghanistan: Trump campaigned on bringing US troops home.

?CGE
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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 13:00:28 2020
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 07:00:28 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald Trump--"WE'LL SEE
 WHAT HAPPENS..."
In-Reply-To: <1039438675.5206744.1583240142306@mail.yahoo.com>
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Trump's Afghan withdrawal is fake news, a hoax. It's a conditions-based
drawdown, which even if fulfilled, will leave the same level of U.S. troops
in Afghanistan as when he took office, before his "surge." Same thing Obama
did. Welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss.



On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:56 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> To: Peace <peace at anti-war.net>
> Cc: peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 3, 2020 6:23 am
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald Trump
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> https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/on-afghanistan-three-words-i-never-thought-id-write-bravo-donald-trump/
>
> Obama expanded US war in Afghanistan: Trump campaigned on bringing US
> troops home.
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Tue Mar  3 14:14:55 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 08:14:55 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald Trump: --"WE'LL
 SEE WHAT HAPPENS..."
In-Reply-To: <952208660.5187180.1583240036702@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <0FEADBE0-C12A-4A71-AB7B-BAA15CF60744@newsfromneptune.com>
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Obama stealthily performed two crucial tasks for the US ruling class:

(1) neutralize the antiwar movement (the largest antiwar demonstrations in history had occurred before the invasion of Iraq); and 

(2) expand the wars he inherited (in Afghanistan and Iraq) and initiate war in six other countries to retard the economic integration of Eurasia.

Trump was the first major party candidate in 40 years to campaign against these neolib and neocon policies. That got him elected, but in office this weakest president since Coolidge largely went along with those policies. The ?deep state? has so far prevented withdrawals form Afghanistan and Iraq.

Perhaps that?s changing, but it?s the real reason for the hysterical attempts remove him (Russiagate/impeachment/etc.) ?CGE
    

> On Mar 3, 2020, at 6:53 AM, Mildred O'brien <moboct1 at aim.com> wrote:
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> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Peace <peace at anti-war.net>
> Cc: peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 3, 2020 6:23 am
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald Trump
> 
> https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/on-afghanistan-three-words-i-never-thought-id-write-bravo-donald-trump/
> 
> Obama expanded US war in Afghanistan: Trump campaigned on bringing US troops home.
> 
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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Tue Mar  3 18:07:38 2020
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:07:38 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?b?4oCcU28tQ2FsbGVkIOKAquKAmVBlYWNlIERl?=
	=?utf-8?b?YWzigJkgSXMgQW55dGhpbmcgQnV04oCdOg==?=
Message-ID: <005701d5f186$a01af2d0$e050d870$@comcast.net>

I wasn?t certain but I thought the previous article from the INTERCEPT was too good to be true. I should have known that anything the Trump administration had its hand in arranging had to be flawed in a major way.

 

David J.

 

 

 

? Like Lee, Miles said a deal that leaves nearly two-thirds of current U.S. forces in Afghanistan for ?counterterrorism? purposes??bringing levels down to about where they were when Trump entered office??cannot be considered a peace deal. While the drawdown can be considered a positive development, he said, the agreement ?is far from an end to endless war?and further still from anything that would ensure stability, peace, and justice after decades of violence.?

 

?So-Called ??Peace Deal? Is Anything But?: Critics Warn US-Taliban Deal Exposes Fallacies Of Endless War Paradigm

By Jon Queally,  <https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/29/so-called-peace-deal-anything-critics-warn-us-taliban-deal-exposes-fallacies-endless> Commondreams.org

March 2, 2020 

|  <https://popularresistance.org/educate/> Educate!

 <https://popularresistance-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2017/12/1googlenotice.png> https://popularresistance-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2017/12/1googlenotice.png

Above Photo: US Special Representative for Afghanistan Reconciliation Zalmay Khalilzad and Taliban co-founder Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar sign a peace agreement during a ceremony in the Qatari capital Doha on February 29, 2020. ? The United States signed a landmark deal with the Taliban, laying out a timetable for a full troop withdrawal from Afghanistan within 14 months as it seeks an exit from its longest-ever war. Pompeo called on the Taliban to honour its commitments to sever ties with jihadist groups as Washington signed a landmark deal with the Afghan insurgents. (Photo: Karim Jaafar/AFP/Getty Images)

The agreement, warned Rep. Barbara Lee, ?leaves thousands of troops in Afghanistan and lacks the critical investments in peacebuilding, human-centered development, or governance reform needed to rebuild Afghan society.

While President Donald Trump bragged Saturday about an agreement signed by the U.S. government and the Taliban as a milestone towards ending the war in Afghanistan that has raged now for the nearly two decades?devastating the Afghan people and the wider region?Rep. Barbara Lee, one of the staunchest anti-war voices in Congress, denounced the deal as a little more than a sham.

?After nearly two decades of endless war, it?s become clear that there is no military solution to the conflict in Afghanistan,? Lee said in a statement. ?But this so-called ??peace deal? is anything but.?

The Guardian  <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/29/us-taliban-sign-peace-agreement-afghanistan-war#maincontent> reports:

At a signing ceremony in Doha on Saturday, U.S. secretary of state Mike Pompeo and Taliban deputy leader Mullah Baradar took turns to address a crowd of senior dignitaries. Although the deal was signed by the US peace envoy Zalmay Khalilzad, it was the first time a U.S. cabinet member had met members of the insurgency.

The Taliban have agreed to sever ties with al-Qaida and other international terror groups and sit down for peace talks with other Afghans, including a government they have always denounced as a US puppet. In return, Washington will start a phased withdrawal of troops.

Troop levels will be cut to 8,600 over the next 135 days and five bases will be closed. If both sides keep to their commitments, all U.S. military forces could leave Afghanistan by spring 2021, although Washington is thought to want to keep intelligence operatives on the ground fighting Isis and al-Qaida.

According to Lee, nobody should be fooled into thinking that this is a ?peace? agreement.

?It leaves thousands of troops in Afghanistan and lacks the critical investments in peacebuilding, human-centered development, or governance reform needed to rebuild Afghan society,? the Congresswoman said.

As peace advocates have been saying since even before the U.S. invasion took place in 2001, following the attacks of September 11, there was never a military solution to the situation in Afghanistan. That remains true today.

?America?s fantasies of what it could achieve in the war, even after it became a Washington clich? that the war had no military solution, consigned thousands to needless deaths.?  <https://t.co/AVuHpnOxNP> https://t.co/AVuHpnOxNP

? Stephen Wertheim (@stephenwertheim)  <https://twitter.com/stephenwertheim/status/1233744917316472832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw> February 29, 2020

?Two decades of trying to bomb our way to peace have made clear: there is no U.S. military solution in Afghanistan,? said Stephen Miles, executive director of Win Without War, in a statement.

While the reduction in U.S. military presence ?is a welcome step,? Miles said, the agreement ?utterly fails to confront the underlying logic of military occupation, lacks any strategy for long-term peace, and falls far short of accountability and justice. It is no ?peace deal.'?

Like Lee, Miles said a deal that leaves nearly two-thirds of current U.S. forces in Afghanistan for ?counterterrorism? purposes??bringing levels down to about where they were when Trump entered office??cannot be considered a peace deal. While the drawdown can be considered a positive development, he said, the agreement ?is far from an end to endless war?and further still from anything that would ensure stability, peace, and justice after decades of violence.?

Vijay Prashad, foreign policy expert and director of the Tricontinental Institute for Social Research, put the absurdity of the situation this way:

United States went to war against the Taliban, and then almost two decades later, handed Afghanistan back to the Taliban.

? Vijay Prashad (@vijayprashad)  <https://twitter.com/vijayprashad/status/1233808709370941442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw> February 29, 2020

And the anti-war veterans groups About Face tweeted:

On the peace agreement signed, as others have said, it?s essentially the identical position by the Taliban going all the way back to ?09. Withdrawal troops in exchange for not hosting terrorist groups. 11 yrs later, no significant change, only TRILLIONS of $$$, COUNTLESS DEAD.

? About Face: Veterans Against the War (@VetsAboutFace)  <https://twitter.com/VetsAboutFace/status/1233814192840466434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw> February 29, 2020

Lee called the agreement ?a step forward as we work to stop endless war,? but said it remains critical to recognize that ?there?s still a long way to go,? including the repeal of two Authorizations for Use of Military Force?one from 2001 and another from 2020?under which U.S. overseas war and military operations continue in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, and elsewhere continue to be waged.

Members of Congress, said Lee, must ?reassert our Constitutional duty over war and peace.?

 

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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Tue Mar  3 18:43:12 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:43:12 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald Trump--"WE'LL SEE
 WHAT HAPPENS..."
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That?s certainly what the good liberals (CIA, FBI, NSA, State Dept., Rep & Dem parties) want, and the reason they're so determined to get Trump out of office (for fear he?ll do what he campaigned on) - so they can continue Obama?s war-making. (What do you think Pres. Biden will do?).  


> On Mar 3, 2020, at 7:00 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Trump's Afghan withdrawal is fake news, a hoax. It's a conditions-based drawdown, which even if fulfilled, will leave the same level of U.S. troops in Afghanistan as when he took office, before his "surge." Same thing Obama did. Welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> To: Peace <peace at anti-war.net>
> Cc: peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 3, 2020 6:23 am
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald Trump
> 
> https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/on-afghanistan-three-words-i-never-thought-id-write-bravo-donald-trump/
> 
> Obama expanded US war in Afghanistan: Trump campaigned on bringing US troops home.

Obama stealthily performed two crucial tasks for the US ruling class:

(1) neutralize the antiwar movement (the largest antiwar demonstrations in history had occurred before the invasion of Iraq); and 

(2) expand the wars he inherited (in Afghanistan and Iraq) and initiate war in six other countries to retard the economic integration of Eurasia.

Trump was the first major party candidate in 40 years to campaign against these neolib and neocon policies. That got him elected, but in office this weakest president since Coolidge largely went along with those policies. The ?deep state? has so far prevented withdrawals form Afghanistan and Iraq.

Perhaps that?s changing, but it?s the real reason for the hysterical attempts remove him (Russiagate/impeachment/etc.) ?CGE



From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Tue Mar  3 19:22:14 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 13:22:14 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] 
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This is the position of those American liberals who want to maintain the neocon policies of the Obama administration.

Their greatest fear - which they will go to great lengths to avoid - is that the Trump administration will succeed in its stated desire to withdraw from Afghanistan - without ?winning?.

If Biden is the nominee, the antiwar movement will have to support Trump.

 

> On Mar 3, 2020, at 12:07 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> I wasn?t certain but I thought the previous article from the INTERCEPT was too good to be true. I should have known that anything the Trump administration had its hand in arranging had to be flawed in a major way.
>  
> David J.
>  
>  
>  
> ? Like Lee, Miles said a deal that leaves nearly two-thirds of current U.S. forces in Afghanistan for ?counterterrorism? purposes??bringing levels down to about where they were when Trump entered office??cannot be considered a peace deal. While the drawdown can be considered a positive development, he said, the agreement ?is far from an end to endless war?and further still from anything that would ensure stability, peace, and justice after decades of violence.?
>  
> ?So-Called ??Peace Deal? Is Anything But?: Critics Warn US-Taliban Deal Exposes Fallacies Of Endless War Paradigm
> By Jon Queally, Commondreams.org
> March 2, 2020 
> | Educate!
> <image001.png>
> Above Photo: US Special Representative for Afghanistan Reconciliation Zalmay Khalilzad and Taliban co-founder Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar sign a peace agreement during a ceremony in the Qatari capital Doha on February 29, 2020. ? The United States signed a landmark deal with the Taliban, laying out a timetable for a full troop withdrawal from Afghanistan within 14 months as it seeks an exit from its longest-ever war. Pompeo called on the Taliban to honour its commitments to sever ties with jihadist groups as Washington signed a landmark deal with the Afghan insurgents. (Photo: Karim Jaafar/AFP/Getty Images)
> The agreement, warned Rep. Barbara Lee, ?leaves thousands of troops in Afghanistan and lacks the critical investments in peacebuilding, human-centered development, or governance reform needed to rebuild Afghan society.
> While President Donald Trump bragged Saturday about an agreement signed by the U.S. government and the Taliban as a milestone towards ending the war in Afghanistan that has raged now for the nearly two decades?devastating the Afghan people and the wider region?Rep. Barbara Lee, one of the staunchest anti-war voices in Congress, denounced the deal as a little more than a sham.
> ?After nearly two decades of endless war, it?s become clear that there is no military solution to the conflict in Afghanistan,? Lee said in a statement. ?But this so-called ??peace deal? is anything but.?
> The Guardian reports:
> At a signing ceremony in Doha on Saturday, U.S. secretary of state Mike Pompeo and Taliban deputy leader Mullah Baradar took turns to address a crowd of senior dignitaries. Although the deal was signed by the US peace envoy Zalmay Khalilzad, it was the first time a U.S. cabinet member had met members of the insurgency.
> The Taliban have agreed to sever ties with al-Qaida and other international terror groups and sit down for peace talks with other Afghans, including a government they have always denounced as a US puppet. In return, Washington will start a phased withdrawal of troops.
> Troop levels will be cut to 8,600 over the next 135 days and five bases will be closed. If both sides keep to their commitments, all U.S. military forces could leave Afghanistan by spring 2021, although Washington is thought to want to keep intelligence operatives on the ground fighting Isis and al-Qaida.
> According to Lee, nobody should be fooled into thinking that this is a ?peace? agreement.
> ?It leaves thousands of troops in Afghanistan and lacks the critical investments in peacebuilding, human-centered development, or governance reform needed to rebuild Afghan society,? the Congresswoman said.
> As peace advocates have been saying since even before the U.S. invasion took place in 2001, following the attacks of September 11, there was never a military solution to the situation in Afghanistan. That remains true today.
> ?America?s fantasies of what it could achieve in the war, even after it became a Washington clich? that the war had no military solution, consigned thousands to needless deaths.? https://t.co/AVuHpnOxNP
> ? Stephen Wertheim (@stephenwertheim) February 29, 2020
> ?Two decades of trying to bomb our way to peace have made clear: there is no U.S. military solution in Afghanistan,? said Stephen Miles, executive director of Win Without War, in a statement.
> While the reduction in U.S. military presence ?is a welcome step,? Miles said, the agreement ?utterly fails to confront the underlying logic of military occupation, lacks any strategy for long-term peace, and falls far short of accountability and justice. It is no ?peace deal.'?
> Like Lee, Miles said a deal that leaves nearly two-thirds of current U.S. forces in Afghanistan for ?counterterrorism? purposes??bringing levels down to about where they were when Trump entered office??cannot be considered a peace deal. While the drawdown can be considered a positive development, he said, the agreement ?is far from an end to endless war?and further still from anything that would ensure stability, peace, and justice after decades of violence.?
> Vijay Prashad, foreign policy expert and director of the Tricontinental Institute for Social Research, put the absurdity of the situation this way:
> United States went to war against the Taliban, and then almost two decades later, handed Afghanistan back to the Taliban.
> ? Vijay Prashad (@vijayprashad) February 29, 2020
> And the anti-war veterans groups About Face tweeted:
> On the peace agreement signed, as others have said, it?s essentially the identical position by the Taliban going all the way back to ?09. Withdrawal troops in exchange for not hosting terrorist groups. 11 yrs later, no significant change, only TRILLIONS of $$$, COUNTLESS DEAD.
> ? About Face: Veterans Against the War (@VetsAboutFace) February 29, 2020
> Lee called the agreement ?a step forward as we work to stop endless war,? but said it remains critical to recognize that ?there?s still a long way to go,? including the repeal of two Authorizations for Use of Military Force?one from 2001 and another from 2020?under which U.S. overseas war and military operations continue in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, and elsewhere continue to be waged.
> Members of Congress, said Lee, must ?reassert our Constitutional duty over war and peace.?
>  
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Tue Mar  3 19:28:13 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 13:28:13 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Denial & Confirmation Bias
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR11MB4344F9137C14B00A818C87138CE80@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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Is this a way to deny that something people want to believe can be true?

Do you want to believe that?s true?

> On Feb 28, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> The Truth About Denial: 
> Bias and Self-Deception in Science, Politics, and Religion 
> Paperback ? October 2, 2019
> by Adrian Bardon   
>   (Professor of Philosophy, Wake Forest University; PhD, UMass, Amherst)  
> From the Amazon blurb: 
> 
> People believe what they want to believe. It is a striking-yet all too familiar-fact about human beings that our belief-forming processes can be so distorted by fears, desires, and prejudices that an otherwise sensible person may sincerely uphold a false claim about the world despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. When we describe someone as being "in denial," we mean that he or she is personally threatened by some set of facts and consequently fails to assess the situation properly according to the evidence, instead arguing and interpreting evidence in light of a pre-established conclusion. 
> 
> In a world polarized over politics, culture, race, and religion, it is evident that ideological commitments can influence one's perception of reality in socially destructive ways, especially when one perceives a threat to these commitments. When group interests, creeds, or dogmas are threatened by unwelcome factual information, biased thinking can become ideological denialism. This is a problem that affects everybody: Whereas denial can interfere with individual well-being, ideological denialism can stand in the way of urgent advancements in public policy.
> 
> This book offers an accessible, historically and scientifically informed overview of our understanding of denial and denialism. Adrian Bardon introduces the reader to the latest developments in the interdisciplinary study of denial, and then investigates the role of human psychology and ideology in, respectively, science denial, economic policy, and religious belief.
> ??
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Tue Mar  3 19:28:13 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 13:28:13 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Denial & Confirmation Bias
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Is this a way to deny that something people want to believe can be true?

Do you want to believe that?s true?

> On Feb 28, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> The Truth About Denial: 
> Bias and Self-Deception in Science, Politics, and Religion 
> Paperback ? October 2, 2019
> by Adrian Bardon   
>   (Professor of Philosophy, Wake Forest University; PhD, UMass, Amherst)  
> From the Amazon blurb: 
> 
> People believe what they want to believe. It is a striking-yet all too familiar-fact about human beings that our belief-forming processes can be so distorted by fears, desires, and prejudices that an otherwise sensible person may sincerely uphold a false claim about the world despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. When we describe someone as being "in denial," we mean that he or she is personally threatened by some set of facts and consequently fails to assess the situation properly according to the evidence, instead arguing and interpreting evidence in light of a pre-established conclusion. 
> 
> In a world polarized over politics, culture, race, and religion, it is evident that ideological commitments can influence one's perception of reality in socially destructive ways, especially when one perceives a threat to these commitments. When group interests, creeds, or dogmas are threatened by unwelcome factual information, biased thinking can become ideological denialism. This is a problem that affects everybody: Whereas denial can interfere with individual well-being, ideological denialism can stand in the way of urgent advancements in public policy.
> 
> This book offers an accessible, historically and scientifically informed overview of our understanding of denial and denialism. Adrian Bardon introduces the reader to the latest developments in the interdisciplinary study of denial, and then investigates the role of human psychology and ideology in, respectively, science denial, economic policy, and religious belief.
> ??
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> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Tue Mar  3 20:46:55 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:46:55 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] You're BIASED !
Message-ID: <CH2PR11MB4344EFA54A85F5B494C3B5EC8CE40@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Humans are hardwired to dismiss facts that don't fit their worldview 

https://news.yahoo.com/humans-hardwired-dismiss-facts-dont-130032262.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=ma

By Adrian Bardon, Professor of Philosophy, Wake Forest University,
The Conversation ? January 31, 2020

Something is rotten in the state of American political life. The U.S. (among other nations) is increasingly characterized by highly polarized, informationally insulated ideological communities occupying their own factual universes.

Within the conservative political blogosphere, global warming is either a hoax or so uncertain as to be unworthy of response. Within other geographic or online communities, vaccines, fluoridated water and genetically modified foods are known to be dangerous. Right-wing media outlets paint a detailed picture of how Donald Trump is the victim of a fabricated conspiracy.

None of that is correct, though. The reality of human-caused global warming is settled science. The alleged link between vaccines and autism has been debunked as conclusively as anything in the history of epidemiology. It?s easy to find authoritative refutations of Donald Trump?s self-exculpatory claims regarding Ukraine and many other issues.

Yet many well-educated people sincerely deny evidence-based conclusions on these matters.

In theory, resolving factual disputes should be relatively easy: Just present evidence of a strong expert consensus. This approach succeeds most of the time, when the issue is, say, the atomic weight of hydrogen.

But things don?t work that way when the scientific consensus presents a picture that threatens someone?s ideological worldview. In practice, it turns out that one?s political, religious or ethnic identity quite effectively predicts one?s willingness to accept expertise on any given politicized issue.

?Motivated reasoning? is what social scientists call the process of deciding what evidence to accept based on the conclusion one prefers. As I explain in my book, ?The Truth About Denial,? this very human tendency applies to all kinds of facts about the physical world, economic history and current events.

Denial doesn?t stem from ignorance

The interdisciplinary study of this phenomenon has exploded over just the last six or seven years. One thing has become clear: The failure of various groups to acknowledge the truth about, say, climate change, is not explained by a lack of information about the scientific consensus on the subject.

Instead, what strongly predicts denial of expertise on many controversial topics is simply one?s political persuasion.

A 2015 metastudy showed that ideological polarization over the reality of climate change actually increases with respondents? knowledge of politics, science and/or energy policy. The chances that a conservative is a climate change denier is significantly higher if he or she is college-educated. Conservatives scoring highest on tests for cognitive sophistication or quantitative reasoning skills are most susceptible to motivated reasoning about climate science.

This is not just a problem for conservatives. As researcher Dan Kahan has demonstrated, liberals are less likely to accept expert consensus on the possibility of safe storage of nuclear waste, or on the effects of concealed-carry gun laws.

Denial is natural

Our ancestors evolved in small groups, where cooperation and persuasion had at least as much to do with reproductive success as holding accurate factual beliefs about the world. Assimilation into one?s tribe required assimilation into the group?s ideological belief system. An instinctive bias in favor of one?s ?in-group? and its worldview is deeply ingrained in human psychology.

A human being?s very sense of self is intimately tied up with his or her identity group?s status and beliefs. Unsurprisingly, then, people respond automatically and defensively to information that threatens their ideological worldview. We respond with rationalization and selective assessment of evidence ? that is, we engage in ?confirmation bias,? giving credit to expert testimony we like and find reasons to reject the rest.

Political scientists Charles Taber and Milton Lodge experimentally confirmed the existence of this automatic response. They found that partisan subjects, when presented with photos of politicians, produce an affective ?like/dislike? response that precedes any sort of conscious, factual assessment as to who is pictured.

In ideologically charged situations, one?s prejudices end up affecting one?s factual beliefs. Insofar as you define yourself in terms of your cultural affiliations, information that threatens your belief system ? say, information about the negative effects of industrial production on the environment ? can threaten your sense of identity itself. If it?s part of your ideological community?s worldview that unnatural things are unhealthful, factual information about a scientific consensus on vaccine or GM food safety feels like a personal attack.

Unwelcome information can also threaten in other ways. ?System justification? theorists like psychologist John Jost have shown how situations that represent a threat to established systems trigger inflexible thinking and a desire for closure. For example, as Jost and colleagues extensively review, populations experiencing economic distress or external threat have often turned to authoritarian, hierarchicalist leaders promising security and stability.

Have tax cuts been shown to pay for themselves in terms of economic growth? Do communities with high numbers of immigrants have higher rates of violent crime? Did Russia interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election? Predictably, expert opinion regarding such matters is treated by partisan media as though evidence is itself inherently partisan.

Denialist phenomena are many and varied, but the story behind them is, ultimately, quite simple. Human cognition is inseparable from the unconscious emotional responses that go with it. Under the right conditions, universal human traits like in-group favoritism, existential anxiety and a desire for stability and control combine into a toxic, system-justifying identity politics.

When group interests, creeds, or dogmas are threatened by unwelcome factual information, biased thinking becomes denial. And unfortunately these facts about human nature can be manipulated for political ends.

This picture is a bit grim, because it suggests that facts alone have limited power to resolve politicized issues like climate change or immigration policy. But properly understanding the phenomenon of denial is surely a crucial first step to addressing it.
??
This article is republished from The Conversation, a nonprofit news site dedicated to sharing ideas from academic experts.
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Tue Mar  3 20:46:55 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:46:55 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] You're BIASED !
Message-ID: <CH2PR11MB4344EFA54A85F5B494C3B5EC8CE40@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Humans are hardwired to dismiss facts that don't fit their worldview 

https://news.yahoo.com/humans-hardwired-dismiss-facts-dont-130032262.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=ma

By Adrian Bardon, Professor of Philosophy, Wake Forest University,
The Conversation ? January 31, 2020

Something is rotten in the state of American political life. The U.S. (among other nations) is increasingly characterized by highly polarized, informationally insulated ideological communities occupying their own factual universes.

Within the conservative political blogosphere, global warming is either a hoax or so uncertain as to be unworthy of response. Within other geographic or online communities, vaccines, fluoridated water and genetically modified foods are known to be dangerous. Right-wing media outlets paint a detailed picture of how Donald Trump is the victim of a fabricated conspiracy.

None of that is correct, though. The reality of human-caused global warming is settled science. The alleged link between vaccines and autism has been debunked as conclusively as anything in the history of epidemiology. It?s easy to find authoritative refutations of Donald Trump?s self-exculpatory claims regarding Ukraine and many other issues.

Yet many well-educated people sincerely deny evidence-based conclusions on these matters.

In theory, resolving factual disputes should be relatively easy: Just present evidence of a strong expert consensus. This approach succeeds most of the time, when the issue is, say, the atomic weight of hydrogen.

But things don?t work that way when the scientific consensus presents a picture that threatens someone?s ideological worldview. In practice, it turns out that one?s political, religious or ethnic identity quite effectively predicts one?s willingness to accept expertise on any given politicized issue.

?Motivated reasoning? is what social scientists call the process of deciding what evidence to accept based on the conclusion one prefers. As I explain in my book, ?The Truth About Denial,? this very human tendency applies to all kinds of facts about the physical world, economic history and current events.

Denial doesn?t stem from ignorance

The interdisciplinary study of this phenomenon has exploded over just the last six or seven years. One thing has become clear: The failure of various groups to acknowledge the truth about, say, climate change, is not explained by a lack of information about the scientific consensus on the subject.

Instead, what strongly predicts denial of expertise on many controversial topics is simply one?s political persuasion.

A 2015 metastudy showed that ideological polarization over the reality of climate change actually increases with respondents? knowledge of politics, science and/or energy policy. The chances that a conservative is a climate change denier is significantly higher if he or she is college-educated. Conservatives scoring highest on tests for cognitive sophistication or quantitative reasoning skills are most susceptible to motivated reasoning about climate science.

This is not just a problem for conservatives. As researcher Dan Kahan has demonstrated, liberals are less likely to accept expert consensus on the possibility of safe storage of nuclear waste, or on the effects of concealed-carry gun laws.

Denial is natural

Our ancestors evolved in small groups, where cooperation and persuasion had at least as much to do with reproductive success as holding accurate factual beliefs about the world. Assimilation into one?s tribe required assimilation into the group?s ideological belief system. An instinctive bias in favor of one?s ?in-group? and its worldview is deeply ingrained in human psychology.

A human being?s very sense of self is intimately tied up with his or her identity group?s status and beliefs. Unsurprisingly, then, people respond automatically and defensively to information that threatens their ideological worldview. We respond with rationalization and selective assessment of evidence ? that is, we engage in ?confirmation bias,? giving credit to expert testimony we like and find reasons to reject the rest.

Political scientists Charles Taber and Milton Lodge experimentally confirmed the existence of this automatic response. They found that partisan subjects, when presented with photos of politicians, produce an affective ?like/dislike? response that precedes any sort of conscious, factual assessment as to who is pictured.

In ideologically charged situations, one?s prejudices end up affecting one?s factual beliefs. Insofar as you define yourself in terms of your cultural affiliations, information that threatens your belief system ? say, information about the negative effects of industrial production on the environment ? can threaten your sense of identity itself. If it?s part of your ideological community?s worldview that unnatural things are unhealthful, factual information about a scientific consensus on vaccine or GM food safety feels like a personal attack.

Unwelcome information can also threaten in other ways. ?System justification? theorists like psychologist John Jost have shown how situations that represent a threat to established systems trigger inflexible thinking and a desire for closure. For example, as Jost and colleagues extensively review, populations experiencing economic distress or external threat have often turned to authoritarian, hierarchicalist leaders promising security and stability.

Have tax cuts been shown to pay for themselves in terms of economic growth? Do communities with high numbers of immigrants have higher rates of violent crime? Did Russia interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election? Predictably, expert opinion regarding such matters is treated by partisan media as though evidence is itself inherently partisan.

Denialist phenomena are many and varied, but the story behind them is, ultimately, quite simple. Human cognition is inseparable from the unconscious emotional responses that go with it. Under the right conditions, universal human traits like in-group favoritism, existential anxiety and a desire for stability and control combine into a toxic, system-justifying identity politics.

When group interests, creeds, or dogmas are threatened by unwelcome factual information, biased thinking becomes denial. And unfortunately these facts about human nature can be manipulated for political ends.

This picture is a bit grim, because it suggests that facts alone have limited power to resolve politicized issues like climate change or immigration policy. But properly understanding the phenomenon of denial is surely a crucial first step to addressing it.
??
This article is republished from The Conversation, a nonprofit news site dedicated to sharing ideas from academic experts.
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Mar  4 00:11:58 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 18:11:58 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Q: Who wants the war in Afghanistan?
Message-ID: <4057EE12-E361-453E-B3D4-27271096764A@newsfromneptune.com>

A: The US political establishment: they fear that Trump may end it.

As it has publicly asserted for at least forty years, the US government wants to continue the war in Afghanistan (and elsewhere) to retard the economic integration of Eurasia and the rise of ?peer competitors,? Russia and China. 

9-11 was an excuse to continue the US invasion of Afghanistan, which began in effect in the Carter administration ?to give the USSR a Vietnam of its own,? as Carter?s National Security Adviser said.

Thus the US political establishment is horrified at the thought that Trump might end the war, which threatens both Russia and China in southwest Asia. That animates the hysterical attempts to remove Trump from office (Russiagate, impeachment) before he?s able effectively to alter US war policy from Carter through Obama.

?CGE

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Mar  4 04:42:44 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 22:42:44 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Suppress dangerous talk
Message-ID: <A8549885-DD02-4260-90BD-B2C01BC61C0F@newsfromneptune.com>

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/03/04/dnc-scrambles-to-change-debate-threshold-after-gabbard-qualifies/?fbclid=IwAR3GBHxX07gQH1sgA4Qo6P1DiObc92J6LJH9xn7Tz65mOtfvIjH3jaA_S6Y

Gabbard won a delegate from America Samoa tonight and within minutes of that, Democratic party operatives raised the threshold for delegates, meaning, Gabbard won't be permitted in the March debate. See how it works?

"The establishment narrative warfare against Gabbard's campaign dwarfs anything we've seen against Sanders, and the loathing and dismissal they've been able to generate have severely hamstrung her run. It turns out that a presidential candidate can get away with talking about economic justice and plutocracy when it comes to domestic policy, and some light dissent on matters of foreign policy will be tolerated, but aggressively attacking the heart of the actual bipartisan foreign policy consensus will get you shut down, smeared and shunned like nothing else. ?

?CGE

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  4 12:52:05 2020
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 04:52:05 -0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald
 Trump--"WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS..."
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> On Mar 3, 2020, at 10:43, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> That?s certainly what the good liberals (CIA, FBI, NSA, State Dept., Rep & Dem parties) want, and the reason they're so determined to get Trump out of office (for fear he?ll do what he campaigned on) - so they can continue Obama?s war-making. (What do you think Pres. Biden will do?).  
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2020, at 7:00 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Trump's Afghan withdrawal is fake news, a hoax. It's a conditions-based drawdown, which even if fulfilled, will leave the same level of U.S. troops in Afghanistan as when he took office, before his "surge." Same thing Obama did. Welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss. 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> To: Peace <peace at anti-war.net>
>> Cc: peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Mar 3, 2020 6:23 am
>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald Trump
>> 
>> https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/on-afghanistan-three-words-i-never-thought-id-write-bravo-donald-trump/
>> 
>> Obama expanded US war in Afghanistan: Trump campaigned on bringing US troops home.
> 
> Obama stealthily performed two crucial tasks for the US ruling class:
> 
> (1) neutralize the antiwar movement (the largest antiwar demonstrations in history had occurred before the invasion of Iraq); and 
> 
> (2) expand the wars he inherited (in Afghanistan and Iraq) and initiate war in six other countries to retard the economic integration of Eurasia.
> 
> Trump was the first major party candidate in 40 years to campaign against these neolib and neocon policies. That got him elected, but in office this weakest president since Coolidge largely went along with those policies. The ?deep state? has so far prevented withdrawals form Afghanistan and Iraq.
> 
> Perhaps that?s changing, but it?s the real reason for the hysterical attempts remove him (Russiagate/impeachment/etc.) ?CGE
> 
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Mar  4 14:23:04 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 08:23:04 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald
 Trump--"WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS..."
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The Pentagon seems desperate (and consequently insubordinate) to disrupt Trump?s attempts to remove troops from Afghanistan:

"The US military has conducted an airstrike against Taliban fighters in Afghanistan?s Helmand province, jeopardizing a fragile ceasefire and Donald Trump?s much-touted peace roadmap for Afghanistan?"


> On Mar 4, 2020, at 6:52 AM, Karen <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> https://www.rt.com/news/482275-us-hits-taliban-airstrikes/ <https://www.rt.com/news/482275-us-hits-taliban-airstrikes/>
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2020, at 10:43, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> That?s certainly what the good liberals (CIA, FBI, NSA, State Dept., Rep & Dem parties) want, and the reason they're so determined to get Trump out of office (for fear he?ll do what he campaigned on) - so they can continue Obama?s war-making. (What do you think Pres. Biden will do?).  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2020, at 7:00 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Trump's Afghan withdrawal is fake news, a hoax. It's a conditions-based drawdown, which even if fulfilled, will leave the same level of U.S. troops in Afghanistan as when he took office, before his "surge." Same thing Obama did. Welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>> To: Peace <peace at anti-war.net>
>>> Cc: peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>>> Sent: Tue, Mar 3, 2020 6:23 am
>>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] On Afghanistan: Bravo Donald Trump
>>> 
>>> https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/on-afghanistan-three-words-i-never-thought-id-write-bravo-donald-trump/
>>> 
>>> Obama expanded US war in Afghanistan: Trump campaigned on bringing US troops home.
>> 
>> Obama stealthily performed two crucial tasks for the US ruling class:
>> 
>> (1) neutralize the antiwar movement (the largest antiwar demonstrations in history had occurred before the invasion of Iraq); and 
>> 
>> (2) expand the wars he inherited (in Afghanistan and Iraq) and initiate war in six other countries to retard the economic integration of Eurasia.
>> 
>> Trump was the first major party candidate in 40 years to campaign against these neolib and neocon policies. That got him elected, but in office this weakest president since Coolidge largely went along with those policies. The ?deep state? has so far prevented withdrawals form Afghanistan and Iraq.
>> 
>> Perhaps that?s changing, but it?s the real reason for the hysterical attempts remove him (Russiagate/impeachment/etc.) ?CGE
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Peace at lists.chambana.net
>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
> 


From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Wed Mar  4 22:51:06 2020
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 16:51:06 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Don't be fooled: Joe Biden is no friend of unions
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Don't be fooled: Joe Biden is no friend of unions 

 <https://www.theguardian.com/profile/gabriel-winant> Gabriel Winant 

The former vice-president is dressing up his candidacy in a blue-collar
costume. But he's never taken a political risk for workers, and many
policies he has supported has harmed Workers. What's remarkable is that
Biden's proletarian minstrel act has worked for this long.

In San Francisco there's a high-end boutique called "Unionmade". There you
will find expensive work jackets and overalls, lit by bare bulbs and
displayed on unvarnished metal shelves. The aesthetic could not convey its
message any more clearly: buy these clothes, and access a bygone era of
authenticity and American craftsmanship. But it's a lie - the clothes on
offer are largely not union-made. "The unfortunate reality is that there are
not many unions left in the garment industry and so the name was cultivated
as a signifier of well-made and aesthetically timeless goods," explains a
spokesperson.

As the industrial working class has faded, its afterimage has become
available for appropriation in commerce, in culture and in politics. Such
appropriation need not entail commitment to the workers' movement. Everyone
from Levi's jeans to Donald Trump has made this move - and now,
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/joebiden> Joe Biden, the would-be
candidate of labor.

Biden is the Unionmade of politicians. The former vice-president is taking
great care to dress up his new candidacy in a blue-collar costume; as Andrew
Epstein puts it, he is an "aesthetic populist". His
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/29/joe-biden-pennsylvania-firs
t-campaign-event-2020> kickoff rally w
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/29/joe-biden-pennsylvania-firs
t-campaign-event-2020> as on Monday in a union hall in Pittsburgh, where the
president of the United Steelworkers of America promised his members would
be present "wearing their USW gear".

The International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF), whose president has
long been close to Biden,
<https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-2020-international-association-of-fi
refighters-endorses-biden-for-president/> has endorsed him. Bob Casey, the
Pennsylvania senator of the old New Deal variety (anti-abortion, pro-labor),
chimes in that Biden has an "electric" connection with "old-school union
guys".

Whoa there Democrats - Joe Biden isn't as electable as you think 

When he was considering running in 2016, CNN observed, "Joe Biden's
relationship with America's working men and women is at the core of his
political soul." Yet the idea that Biden is some kind of working-class hero
has no discernible substance. Like the myth on the right that Alexandria
Ocasio-Cortez is an empty-headed idiot, it's pure projection - though one
that he's at great pains to encourage.

To be sure, Biden is a nominally pro-union liberal. Like any Democrat, he
won't cross a picket line. He loves to talk in union halls. He's always
saying things like, "There's an old saying - all men are created equal but
then a few became firefighters," and "The best place for me to be my whole
career is surrounded by organized labor. And I know how to say 'union'."

The notional blue-collar appeal of Joe from hard-luck Scranton was widely
understood to be one of the main reasons that Barack Obama - famously the
effete "wine track" candidate - selected him as a running mate. But where
does this appeal come from? Biden's not a scion of wealth, but he grew up in
the middle class: his father was a used-car salesman, not a factory worker.

At no point in his career has Biden proven willing to take the slightest
political risk on behalf of workers. His appearances in union halls occur
when he needs something from labor. On the other hand, when Biden went to
vacation in the Hamptons during the 2011 Verizon strike, workers in the area
sought him out "just to possibly get a show of support, a thumb's-up, a head
nod, anything" - to no avail. That same year in Wisconsin, labor leaders
specifically asked Biden to come to rally their resistance to the brutal,
ultimately successful attack by Scott Walker; Biden declined.

In fact, I can find reports of only two instances of Biden appearing on a
picket line or otherwise supporting embattled workers at any point in his
very long public life: once in Iowa, during his 1987 presidential campaign,
and just this month in Boston. Now, his first major presidential fundraiser
is being hosted by the founder of one of the country's leading anti-union
law firms. The man running to be labor's champion is sponsored by someone
who has made millions choking the life out of the labor movement.

Nor does Biden have a public policy record favorable to the working class.
In 1977-1978, during unions' big push for labor law reform, he vacillated
for months and sabotaged the proposal with public criticism. He voted for
Nafta and supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership. He authored the punishing
2005 bankruptcy bill, a reward to creditors and punishment to debtors. Worse
still, he has been one of the main legislative architects of mass
incarceration, a regime that has devastated the heavily policed and punished
American working class.

But this brings us to the real substance of the problem. Biden would surely
not recognize the targets of mass incarceration as members of what he
imagines as the "working class". As he put it in a speech to the IAFF in
March, "In my neighborhood you grew up either to be a firefighter or a cop,
a tradesman or a priest." This stratum is what has often been called the
"aristocracy of labor". These occupations and their unions have historically
been hostile to women and people of color and de facto segregated. They are
more economically comfortable and politically conservative than the rest of
the working class, and are notorious for pursuing their own immediate
interests over broader working-class solidarity. The building trades, for
instance, have played a central role in leading organized labor's opposition
to the Green New Deal.

When Biden cracked a joke several weeks ago about his habit of touching
women without consent, he was speaking to the International Brotherhood of
Electrical Workers. While the IBEW today takes a strong public stand for
workplace equality, both the union and the industry have deep histories of
ignoring sexual harassment and racial discrimination. According to a 2013
study, only one-quarter of women in the building trades believe they are
equally respected on the job. This context makes Biden's joking about the
accusation of a Latina before that particular crowd seem altogether more
insidious. Harassment, after all, is nothing if not a workplace issue. You'd
only joke about it to a union crowd if you didn't think women were really
workers.

But Biden's vision of a better deal for labor is, explicitly, to turn back
the clock. "There used to be a basic bargain in this country," he is fond of
saying. "All we're trying to do is get it back to where we were."

The unions that are considering supporting Biden are the blue-collar ones
that were party to what he calls the "basic bargain" of mid-century. The
leaders of those organizations were unnerved by how strongly Donald Trump
ran among their members, and it is this anxiety that fuels their attraction
to Biden, who they hope will do their persuasion work for them.

Unions closer to politicians than to their members are unions waiting to
die. As labor's fortunes have declined, so has the imaginative scope of many
labor leaders. Each year of shrinking membership has driven them to behave
more narrowly and defensively, to abandon the initiative.

This is all the worse in a moment that invites broad and radical vision.
More workers went on strike in 2018 than in any year since 1986. Over 90% of
those who did worked in either healthcare or education - sectors that were
not included in the mid-century "basic bargain".

What's remarkable is that Biden's proletarian minstrel act has worked for
this long. When he dropped out of the 1988 presidential race, it was after
getting caught plagiarizing a monologue by the British Labour party leader,
Neil Kinnock, on his coalminer roots. Biden's spokesperson explained that,
while Biden had no immediate relations who were coalminers, the "people that
his ancestors grew up with in the Scranton region, and in general the people
of that region were coalminers." In fact, Biden did have an ancestor in the
coal industry, Patrick F Blewitt, who died in 1911. But he wasn't a miner -
he was a boss.

 

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From jbn at forestfield.org  Thu Mar  5 02:05:25 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 20:05:25 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Pres. Trump could challenge the Democrats to back
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C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> The Pentagon seems desperate (and consequently insubordinate) to disrupt Trump?s
> attempts to remove troops from Afghanistan:
> 
> "The US military has conducted an airstrike against Taliban fighters in
> Afghanistan?s Helmand province, jeopardizing a fragile ceasefire and Donald
> Trump?s much-touted peace roadmap for Afghanistan?"

If only Pres. Trump showed as much resolve with regard to Medicare for All then we 
could see (again) what the Democrats are made of.

Trump could publicly say (perhaps in a tweet so we had it in writing) that he'd sign 
either current Medicare for All bill unchanged from what they are now. He could 
challenge the Democrats to, say, bring Jayapal's House Medicare for All bill to the 
floor for a vote, tell all congressional Republicans to support the bill and vote it 
up, and then he'd sign that bill into law. Or start in the Senate with Sanders' 
Medicare for All bill and have that land on his desk ready for signing into law.

It would be a useful moment to expose the fact that neither bill would ever come to 
Pres. Trump for signing. The Democrats would end up telling us why they haven't 
brought either bill up for a vote and we'd see another example of why they didn't 
bring up HR676 for a vote even when the Democrats had a majority in both houses of 
Congress and a Democrat in the White House.

From jbn at forestfield.org  Thu Mar  5 02:11:30 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 20:11:30 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] What is the correct way to get peace and
 peace-discuss to stop encouraging copying me?
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I don't want copies of responses sent to either mailing list.

When I post to either list how should I set the headers in that post in order to get 
these mailing lists to stop suggesting that I should be copied on responses going to 
either list?

Here's what I've tried:

- Setting Reply-To: to the list address seems to cause the post to arrive with a Cc: 
header set to me which encourages copying me.

- Not setting Reply-To: gives no clear indication that I don't want copies of 
responses sent to me.

From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Thu Mar  5 15:08:46 2020
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 09:08:46 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] DNC Scrambles to Change Debate Threshold After
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 <https://consortiumnews.com/2020/03/05/dnc-scrambles-to-change-debate-threshold-after-gabbard-qualifies/> DNC Scrambles to Change Debate Threshold After Gabbard Qualifies ? Consortiumnews

No surprise here, says Caitlin Johnstone. This is just the latest move to erase a candidate who challenges bipartisan support for endless wars. By Caitlin Johnstone CaitlinJohnstone.com On a CNN ...

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No surprise here, says Caitlin Johnstone. This is just the latest move to erase a candidate who challenges bipartisan support for endless wars.

 

 <https://consortiumnews.com/tag/caitlin-johnstone/> By Caitlin Johnstone
CaitlinJohnstone.com <https://caitlinjohnstone.com/> 

On a CNN panel on Monday <http://archive.is/8Buwe> , host John King  <https://twitter.com/parisencorecom/status/1235013004011458561> spoke with Politico reporter Alex Thompson about the possibility of Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard qualifying on Super Tuesday for the party?s primary debate in Phoenix later this month.

?I will note this, she?s from Hawaii,? King said of Gabbard. ?She?s a congresswoman from Hawaii; American Samoa votes on Super Tuesday. The rules as they now stand, if you get a delegate, you?re back in the debates. As of now. Correct??

?Yeah, they haven?t, I mean, that?s been the rule for every single debate,? Thompson replied. ?And the DNC has not released their official guidance for the March 15 debate in Phoenix, but it would be very obvious that they are trying to cancel Tulsi, who they?re scared of a third party run, if they then change the rules to prevent her to rejoin the debate stage.?

And indeed, as the smoke clears from the Super Tuesday frenzy, this is precisely what appears to have transpired.

?The Gabbard campaign said it was informed that it would net two delegates from the caucuses in American Samoa, which will allocate a total of six pledged delegates,? The Hill reported <https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485832-gabbard-claims-first-delegates-of-primary-race> . ?However, a report from CNN said that the candidate will receive only one delegate from the territory on Tuesday evening.?

?Tulsi Gabbard may have just qualified for the next Democratic debate thanks to American Samoa,? reads <http://archive.is/IRrMl>  a fresh Business Insider headline. ?Under the most recent rules, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii may have qualified for the next televised debate by snagging a delegate in American Samoa?s primary.?

?If Tulsi Gabbard gets a delegate out of American Samoa, as it appears she has done, she will likely qualify for the next Democratic debate,? tweeted <https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1235004725944356864?s=20>  The Washington Post?s Dave Weigel. ?We don?t have new debate rules yet, but party has been inviting any candidate who gets a delegate.?

Rank-and-file supporters of the Hawaii congresswoman enjoyed a brief celebration on social media, before having their hopes dashed minutes later by an announcement from the DNC?s Communications Director Xochitl Hinojosa that ?the threshold will go up.?

?We have two more debates ? of course the threshold will go up,? tweeted <https://twitter.com/XochitlHinojosa/status/1235009904634728448>  Hinojosa literally minutes after Gabbard was awarded the delegate. ?By the time we have the March debate, almost 2,000 delegates will be allocated. The threshold will reflect where we are in the race, as it always has.?

?DNC wastes no time in announcing they will rig the next debates to exclude Tulsi,? Journalist Michael Tracey tweeted <https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1235014122712031232?s=20>  in response.

This outcome surprised nobody, least of all Gabbard supporters. The blackout on the Tulsi 2020 campaign has reached such extreme heights this year that you now routinely see pundits saying things like there are no more people of color <https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1234273256099610624?s=20>  in the race, or that Elizabeth Warren is the only woman remaining <https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1234962318045278208?s=20>  in the primary. They?re not just ignoring her, they?re actually erasing her. They?re weaving a whole alternative reality out of narrative in which she is literally, officially, no longer in the race.

After Gabbard announced her presidential candidacy in January of last year I wrote an article <https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/01/14/five-reasons-im-excited-about-tulsi-gabbards-candidacy/>  explaining that I was excited about her campaign because she would severely disrupt establishment narratives, and, for the remainder of 2019, that?s exactly what she did. She spoke unauthorized truths about Syria, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia; she drew attention to the plight of Julian Assange and Edward Snowden and said she?d drop all charges against both men if elected; she destroyed the hawkish, jingoistic positions of fellow candidates on the debate stage and arguably single-handedly destroyed Kamala Harris? run.

The narrative managers had their hands full with her. The Russia smears were relentless, the fact that she met with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was brought up at every possible opportunity in every debate and interview, and she was scoffed at and derided at every turn.

Now, in 2020, none of that is happening. There?s a near-total media blackout on the Gabbard campaign, such that I now routinely encounter rank-and-file liberals on social media who tell me they honestly had no idea she?s still running. She?s been completely redacted out of the narrative matrix.

So, it?s unsurprising that the DNC felt comfortable striding forward and openly announcing a change in the debate threshold literally the very moment Gabbard crossed it. These people understand narrative control, and they know full well that they have secured enough of it on the Tulsi Problem that they?ll be able to brazenly rig her right off the stage without suffering any meaningful consequences.

The Establishment narrative warfare against Gabbard?s campaign dwarfs anything we?ve seen against Sanders, and the loathing and dismissal they?ve been able to generate have severely hamstrung her run. It turns out that a presidential candidate can get away with talking about economic justice and plutocracy when it comes to domestic policy, and some light dissent on matters of foreign policy will be tolerated, but aggressively attacking the heart of the actual bipartisan foreign policy consensus will get you shut down, smeared and shunned like nothing else. This is partly because U.S. presidents have a lot more authority over foreign affairs than domestic, and it?s also because endless war is the glue which holds the empire together.

And now they?re working to  <https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/dems-converge-around-dementia-addled-warmonger-ahead-of-super-tuesday-37f510044d15> install a corrupt, right-wing warmongering dementia patient as the party?s nominee. And from the looks of the numbers I?ve seen from Super Tuesday so far, it looks entirely likely that those manipulations will prove successful.

All this means is that the machine is exposing its mechanics to the view of the mainstream public. Both the Gabbard campaign and the Sanders campaign have been useful primarily in this way; not because the Establishment would ever let them actually become president, but because they force the unelected manipulators who really run things in the most powerful government on earth to show the public their box of dirty tricks.

Caitlin Johnstone is a rogue journalist, poet, and utopia prepper who publishes regularly  <https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone> at Medium. Follow her work on  <https://www.facebook.com/CaitlinAJohnstone/> Facebook,  <https://twitter.com/caitoz> Twitter, or her  <http://caitlinjohnstone.com/> website. She has a  <https://soundcloud.com/going_rogue> podcast and a book, ? <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Field-Guide-Utopia-Preppers/dp/064823455X/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8> Woke: A Field Guide for Utopia Preppers.? 

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 <http://sleslie525 at gmail.com/> Susan J Leslie

March 5, 2020 at 08:28

The DNC is disgraceful!

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 <http://hedwardschmidt.com/> Herman

March 5, 2020 at 07:59

Tulsi?s recent piece about smears of Sanders regarding Russian support calling for leakers and the complicit media to account was powerful not only because it needed to be done but because of the impact this leaking has on the behavior of a President.

Tulsi makes a strong case that the Trump presidency might have been very different if he hadn?t been ambushed beginning before he could make his inaugural speech and that it so weakened him that he had to take actions contrary to what he promised in campaign in order to survive.

I think the case can also be made that his embrace of Israel regarding Jerusalem and the Golan Heights and his Middle East policy generally were influenced by the relentless attacks on him. Israel, through its supporters in America, served as a shield.

There are of course other influences on this very political President but I think Tulsi Gabbard?s point were very powerful nevertheless.

The leakers and their complicit media partners do need to be exposed.

As to Tulsi, the American elites just were not willing to allow her a national forum any longer. She threatens too many just by her words. Kind of like the little boy and the emperor.

 

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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Thu Mar  5 15:17:38 2020
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 09:17:38 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch
 Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway
Message-ID: <003001d5f301$353e9b70$9fbbd250$@comcast.net>

The Black Alliance for Peace (BAP) is bringing together Black left
organizations and their friends in the movement to rebuild the Black
consensus on peace. BAP organizers have created
<https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58e19bb4725e250f972b9de7/t/5d5e15245
b7ea1000136e1c6/1566446885887/BAP+candidate+petition+%283%29.pdf> a petition
and a
<https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58e19bb4725e250f972b9de7/t/5d5e10513
6dffe00017ab5ab/1566445651258/BAP+-+Candidate+Pledge+Form+-+July+2019+%281%2
9.pdf> candidate pledge  to demand that war become a central issue in the
2020 election. The petition demands presidential candidates agree to a fifty
percent decrease in the U.S. military budget, the closure of the 800-plus
military bases around the world, and the abolition of AFRICOM and the
Department of Defense's 1033 weapons transfer program to local police
departments. Both the pledge and the petition provide concrete tools for
anti-war activists and the general movement to demand that Sanders and his
massive base make the struggle against imperialist aggression a priority in
the 2020 election.

 

 

 

 

 

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agate-fever-and-why-he-should-be-held-accountable> Why it is Unlikely
Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held
Accountable Anyway | Black Agenda Report

Bernie Sanders' rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the
endless wars waged by the US, yet he is sure to face more smears and attacks
the more his campaign succeeds. "When his opponents smear him with wild
Russiagate charges, Sanders take the bait."

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agate-fever-and-why-he-should-be-held-accountable> Why it is Unlikely
Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held
Accountable Anyway

 
<https://blackagendareport.com/author/Danny%20Haiphong,%20BAR%20Contributing
%20Editor> Danny Haiphong, BAR Contributing Editor

  

04 Mar 2020

 

 

Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He
Should Be Held Accountable Anyway

Bernie Sanders' rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the
endless wars waged by the US, yet he is sure to face more smears and attacks
the more his campaign succeeds.

"When his opponents smear him with wild Russiagate charges, Sanders take the
bait."

Just a day before the Nevada caucus, the U.S. intelligence apparatus briefed
Bernie Sanders about an attempt by the Russian government to interfere in
the process on his behalf.
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-
us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02
/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html> The Washington Post , a
trusted mouthpiece of the C.I.A. in the corporate media, reported the story
without any evidence to support the claim. This was in keeping with the last
four years of the U.S. intelligence apparatus' Russiagate operation.
Russiagate has served as a McCarthy-esque attack on any inconvenience to
imperial rule both domestic and foreign. And Bernie Sanders took the bait.

To be fair, Bernie Sanders has never challenged Russiagate orthodoxy.
Sanders has largely parroted the line of U.S. intelligence that Russia
"hacked" the 2016 election to help Trump win the White House. His response
to the intelligence briefing was no different. Sanders told Russia to
<https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-trump-respond-differently-
russian-election-interference-n1141511> "stay out of our elections"  and
called Russian president Vladimir Putin an "autocrat" and a "thug." In his
continuing bid to differentiate himself from Donald Trump, Sanders
reiterated that he would not tolerate any foreign power meddling in U.S.
elections. When Michael Bloomberg opened the South Carolina debate attacking
Sanders with Russiagate smears, Sanders defended himself with anti-Russian
talking points.

"Russiagate has served as a McCarthy-esque attack on any inconvenience to
imperial rule both domestic and foreign."

Yet the claim that Russia is looking to sow chaos in U.S. politics by aiding
Sanders' campaign is just as ridiculous as the intelligence apparatus'
non-stop innuendo which positions Trump as an agent of the Kremlin who
worked with WikiLeaks to cheat Hillary Clinton from winning the 2016
election. Russiagate enthusiasts ignore the fact-free basis of their
arguments or that election meddling has historically been a job reserved for
the United States. Over the last half century alone, the U.S. has overthrown
nearly one hundred governments around the world by directly
<https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-interfered-in-elections-of-at-least-85-cou
ntries-worldwide-since-1945/5601481> interfering in their political process.
Russiagate was never designed to take down Trump. It was designed to
preserve a world order where the United States ruthlessly and violently
calls the shots.

The protection of the old and decaying imperialist order requires lies, and
plenty of them. Russiagate is the biggest lie of them all. This lie is
deployed whenever the U.S. ruling class is presented with another indicator
of political crisis. It is no coincidence that the so-called revelation of
Russian support for Sanders came directly before the Nevada primary. The U.S
intelligence apparatus understood full well that Sanders was going to win
big in Nevada. By making Sanders a target of the Russiagate operation, U.S.
spooks and their corporate backers hoped to undermine the obvious popularity
that Sanders' politics enjoys with large portions of the Democratic Party
base.

"Election meddling has historically been a job reserved for the United
States."

The effort fell short in Nevada, forcing the intelligence spooks to clarify
that their
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/politics/intelligence-briefer-russian-interf
erence-trump-sanders/index.html> briefing was "overstated."  Should Sanders
continue to steamroll the competition on Super Tuesday and beyond, the
Sandernistas will have little reason to catch Russiagate fever. Like most
people in the U.S., Sandernistas are more concerned with
<https://news.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx> healthcare,
jobs, and immigration . This doesn't mean that Russiagate should be
dismissed. In fact, that Russiagate smears are largely ignored speaks to a
different problem all together. Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go
away. And Bernie Sanders' rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to
challenge the endless wars waged by the U.S. war machine abroad, of which
Russiagate is a critical component.

Sandernistas are understandably sensitive to criticism of Bernie Sanders
because of the intense attack that he has faced from the corporate media and
the oligarchs in control of the Democratic Party. The attack has been so
intense that many
<https://www.liberationnews.org/the-bernie-sanders-campaign-and-building-the
-movement-for-socialism-in-the-us/> leftist organizations  and
<https://www.struggle-la-lucha.org/2020/02/08/the-movement-for-bernie-sander
s-which-side-are-you-on/> communist parties  have called for critical
support of Bernie Sanders. Some readers of Black Agenda Report (BAR) have
confused BAR's analysis of the reasons why the Democratic Party
establishment is so afraid of Sanders for outright support of his campaign.
Such a conclusion fails to consider that BAR has been one of the few
independent media outlets that has criticized Bernie Sanders for his
imperialist sympathies. Even worse, it privileges an emphasis on condemning
Sanders over the strategic, ideological, and organizational questions that
must be answered in order to move the anti-imperialist cause forward rather
than back. 

"BAR has been one of the few independent media outlets that has criticized
Bernie Sanders for his imperialist sympathies."

Bernie Sanders' long history of taking the Russiagate bait reflects an
enduring structural problem with the Democratic Party. That is, the
Democratic Party is the War Party. And as such, there are parameters that a
social democrat, no matter how earnest they are about Medicare for All and a
Green New Deal, cannot cross lest they be completely shunned from the U.S.
political process. Russiagate is not the only example of Sanders walking the
imperialist path. While he repeatedly calls for the world's nations to come
together to disinvest from weapons production and invest instead in
substantial climate change policy, Sanders has continued to bad mouth
nations under the gun from U.S. imperialism like
<https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-distances-himself-from-venezuel
a-president-nicolas-maduro-when-pressed-on-socialism-at-debate/>  Venezuela
as corrupt dictatorships that deserve no gestures of friendship from a
future Sanders administration.

Bernie Sanders should be held accountable for offering no plan
<https://berniesanders.com/issues/responsible-foreign-policy/> to cut the
Pentagon  budget or reduce the catastrophic military footprint of the United
States. The trillion-plus dollar military albatross is not only an
instrument of mass murder, but the
<https://qz.com/1655268/us-military-is-a-bigger-polluter-than-140-countries-
combined/> top polluter of the planet as well . Sanders should be briefed by
the people that warmongering language toward China and the DPRK doesn't
serve the interests of working people in the United States. He should be
reminded that the U.S. invasion of Iraq is not so different from the
<https://www.globalresearch.ca/neocons-have-been-destroying-sovereign-nation
s-for-20-years/5603225> NATO-led invasions of Yugoslavia, Libya, and Syria .
The U.S. military and its various organs have one major priority and that is
the protection and enrichment of the very class of oligarchs who see Sanders
as an existential threat to their austerity regime. Selectively choosing
which U.S. interventions matter and which do not as Sanders does by calling
out the 1973 C.I.A coup in Chile and then claiming Xi Jingping is a dictator
shows that no amount of social democratic progressivism can change the fact
that the U.S. presidency is an instrument of imperialism.

"Sanders has continued to bad mouth nations under the gun from U.S.
imperialism like Venezuela."

Sanders cannot take all the blame for leading the masses astray on the
question of war and peace. A principle reason why an anti-imperialist
movement has not emerged from the growing popularity of social welfare
reform is that the most anti-war sector of the U.S. populace, Black America,
has yet to recover from four decades of brutal state repression and
political misleadership. The Black Alliance for Peace (BAP) is bringing
together Black left organizations and their friends in the movement to
rebuild the Black consensus on peace. BAP organizers have created
<https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58e19bb4725e250f972b9de7/t/5d5e15245
b7ea1000136e1c6/1566446885887/BAP+candidate+petition+%283%29.pdf> a petition
and a
<https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58e19bb4725e250f972b9de7/t/5d5e10513
6dffe00017ab5ab/1566445651258/BAP+-+Candidate+Pledge+Form+-+July+2019+%281%2
9.pdf> candidate pledge  to demand that war become a central issue in the
2020 election. The petition demands presidential candidates agree to a fifty
percent decrease in the U.S. military budget, the closure of the 800-plus
military bases around the world, and the abolition of AFRICOM and the
Department of Defense's 1033 weapons transfer program to local police
departments. Both the pledge and the petition provide concrete tools for
anti-war activists and the general movement to demand that Sanders and his
massive base make the struggle against imperialist aggression a priority in
the 2020 election.

The truth is that the more Sanders becomes "electable," the less likely the
issue of war and peace will find room in the 2020 election. Electability in
the U.S. electoral system means capitulation to the imperial imperatives of
the one percent. While Sanders certainly won't backtrack on his domestic
social welfare agenda, he is sure to face more intense anti-communist smears
and attacks the more his campaign succeeds. The more Sanders is attacked by
the ruling class, the more his supporters and Sanders himself may think
twice before challenging the U.S. intelligence apparatus and the war
machine. The U.S. ruling class will not elect its own grave digger. It is up
to the power of the people to demand what Sanders nor any other candidate
dares to utter. No one is above the truth, especially when millions of lives
and the self-determination of nations are what's at stake. Not Bernie
Sanders, not anyone.

Danny Haiphong is an activist and journalist in the New York City area. He
and Roberto Sirvent are co-authors of the book entitled American
Exceptionalism and American Innocence: A People's History of Fake News--From
the Revolutionary War to the War on Terror (Skyhorse Publishing). He can be
reached at wakeupriseup1990 at gmail.com, on Twitter @spiritofho, and on
Youtube at The Left Lens with Danny Haiphong.

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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Thu Mar  5 22:58:13 2020
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 16:58:13 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Dave:  URGENT!
In-Reply-To: <1334829919.1084160.1583447621301@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <003001d5f301$353e9b70$9fbbd250$@comcast.net>
 <1334829919.1084160.1583447621301@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008601d5f341$8d3e1ea0$a7ba5be0$@comcast.net>

Here it is Midge.

 

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnByLm9yZy9yc3MvcG9kY2FzdC5waHA_aWQ9MzgxNDQ0OTA4&episode=ZTZiMDA3OTAtN2Q2Ni00YWVmLTllZTMtOTQxYTljZjZlNzIy&hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwi4u8WYt4ToAhUUa80KHem3CZoQieUEegQICxAE&ep=6

 

From: Mildred O'brien [mailto:moboct1 at aim.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 4:34 PM
To: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net
Subject: Dave: URGENT!

 

Dave:  Urgent:  I just heard an interview this afternoon from 3-4pm on NPR (I know, I know) called Fresh Air (Terry Gross but with a substitute) with Wash Post reporter Greg Miller about his article Feb. 18, 2020 about the CIA-owned Swiss company Crypto AG encryption company that they sold (for CIA profit) to countries all over the world (except Russia) which they could they secretly decode all their secret communications  (sans spooks) for over 50 years.  They got out of "the business" in 2018 and instead contract Google, Apple and ? to do the same thing.  Looks like Snowden and Assange just got in on the last couple of years of the operation, which is why they are fried meat in the U.S.

PLEASE HELP FIND THE WASH. POST ARTICLE 2/28/20 OR THE NPR INTERVIEW OF 3/5/20 and post it!

Midge




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Sent: Thu, Mar 5, 2020 9:18 am
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway

The Black Alliance for Peace (BAP) is bringing together Black left organizations and their friends in the movement to rebuild the Black consensus on peace. BAP organizers have created  <https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58e19bb4725e250f972b9de7/t/5d5e15245b7ea1000136e1c6/1566446885887/BAP+candidate+petition+%283%29.pdf> a petition  and a  <https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58e19bb4725e250f972b9de7/t/5d5e105136dffe00017ab5ab/1566445651258/BAP+-+Candidate+Pledge+Form+-+July+2019+%281%29.pdf> candidate pledge  to demand that war become a central issue in the 2020 election. The petition demands presidential candidates agree to a fifty percent decrease in the U.S. military budget, the closure of the 800-plus military bases around the world, and the abolition of AFRICOM and the Department of Defense?s 1033 weapons transfer program to local police departments. Both the pledge and the petition provide concrete tools for anti-war activists and the general movement to demand that Sanders and his massive base make the struggle against imperialist aggression a priority in the 2020 election.

 

 

 

 

 

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 <https://blackagendareport.com/why-it-unlikely-sandernistas-will-catch-russiagate-fever-and-why-he-should-be-held-accountable> Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway | Black Agenda Report

Bernie Sanders? rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the endless wars waged by the US, yet he is sure to face more smears and attacks the more his campaign succeeds. ?When his opponents smear him with wild Russiagate charges, Sanders take the bait.?

blackagendareport.com

 

 <https://blackagendareport.com/why-it-unlikely-sandernistas-will-catch-russiagate-fever-and-why-he-should-be-held-accountable> Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway

 <https://blackagendareport.com/author/Danny%20Haiphong,%20BAR%20Contributing%20Editor> Danny Haiphong, BAR Contributing Editor

  

04 Mar 2020

 

 

Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway

Bernie Sanders? rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the endless wars waged by the US, yet he is sure to face more smears and attacks the more his campaign succeeds.

?When his opponents smear him with wild Russiagate charges, Sanders take the bait.?

Just a day before the Nevada caucus, the U.S. intelligence apparatus briefed Bernie Sanders about an attempt by the Russian government to interfere in the process on his behalf.  <https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html> The Washington Post , a trusted mouthpiece of the C.I.A. in the corporate media, reported the story without any evidence to support the claim. This was in keeping with the last four years of the U.S. intelligence apparatus? Russiagate operation. Russiagate has served as a McCarthy-esque attack on any inconvenience to imperial rule both domestic and foreign. And Bernie Sanders took the bait.

To be fair, Bernie Sanders has never challenged Russiagate orthodoxy. Sanders has largely parroted the line of U.S. intelligence that Russia ?hacked? the 2016 election to help Trump win the White House. His response to the intelligence briefing was no different. Sanders told Russia to  <https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-trump-respond-differently-russian-election-interference-n1141511> ?stay out of our elections?  and called Russian president Vladimir Putin an ?autocrat? and a ?thug.? In his continuing bid to differentiate himself from Donald Trump, Sanders reiterated that he would not tolerate any foreign power meddling in U.S. elections. When Michael Bloomberg opened the South Carolina debate attacking Sanders with Russiagate smears, Sanders defended himself with anti-Russian talking points.

?Russiagate has served as a McCarthy-esque attack on any inconvenience to imperial rule both domestic and foreign.?

Yet the claim that Russia is looking to sow chaos in U.S. politics by aiding Sanders? campaign is just as ridiculous as the intelligence apparatus? non-stop innuendo which positions Trump as an agent of the Kremlin who worked with WikiLeaks to cheat Hillary Clinton from winning the 2016 election. Russiagate enthusiasts ignore the fact-free basis of their arguments or that election meddling has historically been a job reserved for the United States. Over the last half century alone, the U.S. has overthrown nearly one hundred governments around the world by directly  <https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-interfered-in-elections-of-at-least-85-countries-worldwide-since-1945/5601481> interfering in their political process.  Russiagate was never designed to take down Trump. It was designed to preserve a world order where the United States ruthlessly and violently calls the shots.

The protection of the old and decaying imperialist order requires lies, and plenty of them. Russiagate is the biggest lie of them all. This lie is deployed whenever the U.S. ruling class is presented with another indicator of political crisis. It is no coincidence that the so-called revelation of Russian support for Sanders came directly before the Nevada primary. The U.S intelligence apparatus understood full well that Sanders was going to win big in Nevada. By making Sanders a target of the Russiagate operation, U.S. spooks and their corporate backers hoped to undermine the obvious popularity that Sanders? politics enjoys with large portions of the Democratic Party base.

?Election meddling has historically been a job reserved for the United States.?

The effort fell short in Nevada, forcing the intelligence spooks to clarify that their  <https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/politics/intelligence-briefer-russian-interference-trump-sanders/index.html> briefing was ?overstated.?  Should Sanders continue to steamroll the competition on Super Tuesday and beyond, the Sandernistas will have little reason to catch Russiagate fever. Like most people in the U.S., Sandernistas are more concerned with  <https://news.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx> healthcare, jobs, and immigration . This doesn?t mean that Russiagate should be dismissed. In fact, that Russiagate smears are largely ignored speaks to a different problem all together. Ignoring the problem doesn?t make it go away. And Bernie Sanders? rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the endless wars waged by the U.S. war machine abroad, of which Russiagate is a critical component.

Sandernistas are understandably sensitive to criticism of Bernie Sanders because of the intense attack that he has faced from the corporate media and the oligarchs in control of the Democratic Party. The attack has been so intense that many  <https://www.liberationnews.org/the-bernie-sanders-campaign-and-building-the-movement-for-socialism-in-the-us/> leftist organizations  and  <https://www.struggle-la-lucha.org/2020/02/08/the-movement-for-bernie-sanders-which-side-are-you-on/> communist parties  have called for critical support of Bernie Sanders. Some readers of Black Agenda Report (BAR) have confused BAR?s analysis of the reasons why the Democratic Party establishment is so afraid of Sanders for outright support of his campaign. Such a conclusion fails to consider that BAR has been one of the few independent media outlets that has criticized Bernie Sanders for his imperialist sympathies. Even worse, it privileges an emphasis on condemning Sanders over the strategic, ideological, and organizational questions that must be answered in order to move the anti-imperialist cause forward rather than back. 

?BAR has been one of the few independent media outlets that has criticized Bernie Sanders for his imperialist sympathies.?

Bernie Sanders? long history of taking the Russiagate bait reflects an enduring structural problem with the Democratic Party. That is, the Democratic Party is the War Party. And as such, there are parameters that a social democrat, no matter how earnest they are about Medicare for All and a Green New Deal, cannot cross lest they be completely shunned from the U.S. political process. Russiagate is not the only example of Sanders walking the imperialist path. While he repeatedly calls for the world?s nations to come together to disinvest from weapons production and invest instead in substantial climate change policy, Sanders has continued to bad mouth nations under the gun from U.S. imperialism like <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-distances-himself-from-venezuela-president-nicolas-maduro-when-pressed-on-socialism-at-debate/>  Venezuela  as corrupt dictatorships that deserve no gestures of friendship from a future Sanders administration.

Bernie Sanders should be held accountable for offering no plan  <https://berniesanders.com/issues/responsible-foreign-policy/> to cut the Pentagon  budget or reduce the catastrophic military footprint of the United States. The trillion-plus dollar military albatross is not only an instrument of mass murder, but the  <https://qz.com/1655268/us-military-is-a-bigger-polluter-than-140-countries-combined/> top polluter of the planet as well . Sanders should be briefed by the people that warmongering language toward China and the DPRK doesn?t serve the interests of working people in the United States. He should be reminded that the U.S. invasion of Iraq is not so different from the  <https://www.globalresearch.ca/neocons-have-been-destroying-sovereign-nations-for-20-years/5603225> NATO-led invasions of Yugoslavia, Libya, and Syria . The U.S. military and its various organs have one major priority and that is the protection and enrichment of the very class of oligarchs who see Sanders as an existential threat to their austerity regime. Selectively choosing which U.S. interventions matter and which do not as Sanders does by calling out the 1973 C.I.A coup in Chile and then claiming Xi Jingping is a dictator shows that no amount of social democratic progressivism can change the fact that the U.S. presidency is an instrument of imperialism.

?Sanders has continued to bad mouth nations under the gun from U.S. imperialism like Venezuela.?

Sanders cannot take all the blame for leading the masses astray on the question of war and peace. A principle reason why an anti-imperialist movement has not emerged from the growing popularity of social welfare reform is that the most anti-war sector of the U.S. populace, Black America, has yet to recover from four decades of brutal state repression and political misleadership. The Black Alliance for Peace (BAP) is bringing together Black left organizations and their friends in the movement to rebuild the Black consensus on peace. BAP organizers have created  <https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58e19bb4725e250f972b9de7/t/5d5e15245b7ea1000136e1c6/1566446885887/BAP+candidate+petition+%283%29.pdf> a petition  and a  <https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58e19bb4725e250f972b9de7/t/5d5e105136dffe00017ab5ab/1566445651258/BAP+-+Candidate+Pledge+Form+-+July+2019+%281%29.pdf> candidate pledge  to demand that war become a central issue in the 2020 election. The petition demands presidential candidates agree to a fifty percent decrease in the U.S. military budget, the closure of the 800-plus military bases around the world, and the abolition of AFRICOM and the Department of Defense?s 1033 weapons transfer program to local police departments. Both the pledge and the petition provide concrete tools for anti-war activists and the general movement to demand that Sanders and his massive base make the struggle against imperialist aggression a priority in the 2020 election.

The truth is that the more Sanders becomes ?electable,? the less likely the issue of war and peace will find room in the 2020 election. Electability in the U.S. electoral system means capitulation to the imperial imperatives of the one percent. While Sanders certainly won?t backtrack on his domestic social welfare agenda, he is sure to face more intense anti-communist smears and attacks the more his campaign succeeds. The more Sanders is attacked by the ruling class, the more his supporters and Sanders himself may think twice before challenging the U.S. intelligence apparatus and the war machine. The U.S. ruling class will not elect its own grave digger. It is up to the power of the people to demand what Sanders nor any other candidate dares to utter. No one is above the truth, especially when millions of lives and the self-determination of nations are what?s at stake. Not Bernie Sanders, not anyone.

Danny Haiphong is an activist and journalist in the New York City area. He and Roberto Sirvent are co-authors of the book entitled American Exceptionalism and American Innocence: A People?s History of Fake News--From the Revolutionary War to the War on Terror (Skyhorse Publishing). He can be reached at wakeupriseup1990 at gmail.com, on Twitter @spiritofho, and on Youtube at The Left Lens with Danny Haiphong.

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From paulmueth at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  5 23:27:00 2020
From: paulmueth at yahoo.com (Paul Mueth)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 23:27:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Dave:  URGENT!
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Surprised that In-Q-Tel, the CIA?s venture capital fund wasn?t mentioned. ?Yeah The Q comes from Bond films.?


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On Thursday, March 5, 2020, 4:58 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

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Here it is Midge.

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https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnByLm9yZy9yc3MvcG9kY2FzdC5waHA_aWQ9MzgxNDQ0OTA4&episode=ZTZiMDA3OTAtN2Q2Ni00YWVmLTllZTMtOTQxYTljZjZlNzIy&hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwi4u8WYt4ToAhUUa80KHem3CZoQieUEegQICxAE&ep=6

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From: Mildred O'brien [mailto:moboct1 at aim.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 4:34 PM
To: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net
Subject: Dave: URGENT!

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Dave:? Urgent:? I just heard?an interview this afternoon from 3-4pm on NPR (I know, I know) called Fresh Air (Terry Gross but with a substitute) with Wash Post reporter Greg Miller about his article Feb. 18, 2020 about the CIA-owned Swiss company Crypto AG encryption company that they sold (for CIA profit) to countries all over the world (except Russia) which they could they secretly decode all their secret communications? (sans spooks) for over 50 years.? They got out of "the business" in 2018 and instead contract Google, Apple and ? to do the same thing.? Looks like Snowden and Assange just got in on the last couple of years of the operation, which is why they are fried meat in the U.S.

PLEASE HELP FIND THE WASH. POST ARTICLE 2/28/20 OR THE NPR INTERVIEW OF 3/5/20 and post it!

Midge




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Sent: Thu, Mar 5, 2020 9:18 am
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway

The Black Alliance for Peace (BAP) is bringing together Black left organizations and their friends in the movement to rebuild the Black consensus on peace. BAP organizers have created?a petition??and a?candidate pledge??to demand that war become a central issue in the 2020 election. The petition demands presidential candidates agree to a fifty percent decrease in the U.S. military budget, the closure of the 800-plus military bases around the world, and the abolition of AFRICOM and the Department of Defense?s 1033 weapons transfer program to local police departments. Both the pledge and the petition provide concrete tools for anti-war activists and the general movement to demand that Sanders and his massive base make the struggle against imperialist aggression a priority in the 2020 election.

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https://blackagendareport.com/why-it-unlikely-sandernistas-will-catch-russiagate-fever-and-why-he-should-be-held-accountable

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Bernie Sanders? rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the endless wars waged by the US, yet he is sure to face more smears and attacks the more his campaign succeeds. ?When his opponents smear him with wild Russiagate charges, Sanders take the bait.?

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Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway

Danny Haiphong, BAR Contributing Editor

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04 Mar 2020

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Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway

Bernie Sanders? rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the endless wars waged by the US, yet he?is sure to face more smears and attacks the more his campaign succeeds.

?When his opponents smear him with wild Russiagate charges, Sanders take the bait.?

Just a day before the Nevada caucus, the U.S. intelligence apparatus briefed Bernie Sanders about an attempt by the Russian government to interfere in the process on his behalf.?The Washington Post?, a trusted mouthpiece of the C.I.A. in the corporate media, reported the story without any evidence to support the claim. This was in keeping with the last four years of the U.S. intelligence apparatus? Russiagate operation. Russiagate has served as a McCarthy-esque attack on any inconvenience to imperial rule both domestic and foreign. And Bernie Sanders took the bait.

To be fair, Bernie Sanders has never challenged Russiagate orthodoxy. Sanders has largely parroted the line of U.S. intelligence that Russia ?hacked? the 2016 election to help Trump win the White House. His response to the intelligence briefing was no different. Sanders told Russia to??stay out of our elections???and called Russian president Vladimir Putin an ?autocrat? and a ?thug.? In his continuing bid to differentiate himself from Donald Trump, Sanders reiterated that he would not tolerate any foreign power meddling in U.S. elections. When Michael Bloomberg opened the South Carolina debate attacking Sanders with Russiagate smears, Sanders defended himself with anti-Russian talking points.

?Russiagate has served as a McCarthy-esque attack on any inconvenience to imperial rule both domestic and foreign.?

Yet the claim that Russia is looking to sow chaos in U.S. politics by aiding Sanders? campaign is just as ridiculous as the intelligence apparatus? non-stop innuendo which positions Trump as an agent of the Kremlin who worked with WikiLeaks to cheat Hillary Clinton from winning the 2016 election. Russiagate enthusiasts ignore the fact-free basis of their arguments or that election meddling has historically been a job reserved for the United States.?Over the last half century alone, the U.S. has overthrown nearly one hundred governments around the world by directly?interfering in their political process.??Russiagate was never designed to take down Trump. It was designed to preserve a world order where the United States ruthlessly and violently calls the shots.

The protection of the old and decaying imperialist order requires lies, and plenty of them. Russiagate is the biggest lie of them all. This lie is deployed whenever the U.S. ruling class is presented with another indicator of political crisis. It is no coincidence that the so-called revelation of Russian support for Sanders came directly before the Nevada primary. The U.S intelligence apparatus understood full well that Sanders was going to win big in Nevada. By making Sanders a target of the Russiagate operation, U.S. spooks and their corporate backers hoped to undermine the obvious popularity that Sanders? politics enjoys with large portions of the Democratic Party base.

?Election meddling has historically been a job reserved for the United States.?

The effort fell short in Nevada, forcing the intelligence spooks to clarify that their?briefing was ?overstated.???Should Sanders continue to steamroll the competition on Super Tuesday and beyond, the Sandernistas will have little reason to catch Russiagate fever. Like most people in the U.S., Sandernistas are more concerned with?healthcare, jobs, and immigration?. This doesn?t mean that Russiagate should be dismissed. In fact, that Russiagate smears are largely ignored speaks to a different problem all together. Ignoring the problem doesn?t make it go away. And Bernie Sanders? rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the endless wars waged by the U.S. war machine abroad, of which Russiagate is a critical component.

Sandernistas are understandably sensitive to criticism of Bernie Sanders because of the intense attack that he has faced from the corporate media and the oligarchs in control of the Democratic Party. The attack has been so intense that many?leftist organizations??and?communist parties??have called for critical support of Bernie Sanders. Some readers of Black Agenda Report (BAR) have confused BAR?s analysis of the reasons why the Democratic Party establishment is so afraid of Sanders for outright support of his campaign. Such a conclusion fails to consider that BAR has been one of the few independent media outlets that has criticized Bernie Sanders for his imperialist sympathies. Even worse, it privileges an emphasis on condemning Sanders over the strategic, ideological, and organizational questions that must be answered in order to move the anti-imperialist cause forward rather than back.?

?BAR has been one of the few independent media outlets that has criticized Bernie Sanders for his imperialist sympathies.?

Bernie Sanders? long history of taking the Russiagate bait reflects an enduring structural problem with the Democratic Party. That is, the Democratic Party is the War Party. And as such, there are parameters that a social democrat, no matter how earnest they are about Medicare for All and a Green New Deal, cannot cross lest they be completely shunned from the U.S. political process. Russiagate is not the only example of Sanders walking the imperialist path. While he repeatedly calls for the world?s nations to come together to disinvest from weapons production and invest instead in substantial climate change policy, Sanders has continued to bad mouth nations under the gun from U.S. imperialism like?Venezuela??as corrupt dictatorships that deserve no gestures of friendship from a future Sanders administration.

Bernie Sanders should be held accountable for offering no plan?to cut the Pentagon??budget or reduce the catastrophic military footprint of the United States. The trillion-plus dollar military albatross is not only an instrument of mass murder, but the?top polluter of the planet as well?. Sanders should be briefed by the people that warmongering language toward China and the DPRK doesn?t serve the interests of working people in the United States. He should be reminded that the U.S. invasion of Iraq is not so different from the?NATO-led invasions of Yugoslavia, Libya, and Syria?. The U.S. military and its various organs have one major priority and that is the protection and enrichment of the very class of oligarchs who see Sanders as an existential threat to their austerity regime. Selectively choosing which U.S. interventions matter and which do not as Sanders does by calling out the 1973 C.I.A coup in Chile and then claiming Xi Jingping is a dictator shows that no amount of social democratic progressivism can change the fact that the U.S. presidency is an instrument of imperialism.

?Sanders has continued to bad mouth nations under the gun from U.S. imperialism like Venezuela.?

Sanders cannot take all the blame for leading the masses astray on the question of war and peace. A principle reason why an anti-imperialist movement has not emerged from the growing popularity of social welfare reform is that the most anti-war sector of the U.S. populace, Black America, has yet to recover from four decades of brutal state repression and political misleadership. The Black Alliance for Peace (BAP) is bringing together Black left organizations and their friends in the movement to rebuild the Black consensus on peace. BAP organizers have created?a petition??and a?candidate pledge??to demand that war become a central issue in the 2020 election. The petition demands presidential candidates agree to a fifty percent decrease in the U.S. military budget, the closure of the 800-plus military bases around the world, and the abolition of AFRICOM and the Department of Defense?s 1033 weapons transfer program to local police departments. Both the pledge and the petition provide concrete tools for anti-war activists and the general movement to demand that Sanders and his massive base make the struggle against imperialist aggression a priority in the 2020 election.

The truth is that the more Sanders becomes ?electable,? the less likely the issue of war and peace will find room in the 2020 election. Electability in the U.S. electoral system means capitulation to the imperial imperatives of the one percent. While Sanders certainly won?t backtrack on his domestic social welfare agenda, he is sure to face more intense anti-communist smears and attacks the more his campaign succeeds.?The more Sanders is attacked by the ruling class, the more his supporters and Sanders himself may think twice before challenging the U.S. intelligence apparatus and the war machine. The U.S. ruling class will not elect its own grave digger. It is up to the power of the people to demand what Sanders nor any other candidate dares to utter. No one is above the truth, especially when millions of lives and the self-determination of nations are what?s at stake. Not Bernie Sanders, not anyone.

Danny Haiphong is an activist and journalist in the New York City area. He and Roberto Sirvent are co-authors of the book entitled?American Exceptionalism and American Innocence: A People?s History of Fake News-->From the Revolutionary War to the War on Terror?(Skyhorse?Publishing).?He can be reached at?wakeupriseup1990 at gmail.com,?on Twitter?@spiritofho,?and on Youtube at The Left Lens?with Danny Haiphong.

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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Thu Mar  5 23:33:43 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 17:33:43 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Dave:  URGENT!
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cias-venture-capital-firm-like-its-sponsor-operates-in-the-shadows-1472587352


> On Mar 5, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Paul Mueth via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Surprised that In-Q-Tel, the CIA?s venture capital fund wasn?t mentioned.  Yeah The Q comes from Bond films. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> On Thursday, March 5, 2020, 4:58 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Here it is Midge.
> 
>  
> https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnByLm9yZy9yc3MvcG9kY2FzdC5waHA_aWQ9MzgxNDQ0OTA4&episode=ZTZiMDA3OTAtN2Q2Ni00YWVmLTllZTMtOTQxYTljZjZlNzIy&hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwi4u8WYt4ToAhUUa80KHem3CZoQieUEegQICxAE&ep=6
> 
>  
> From: Mildred O'brien [mailto:moboct1 at aim.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 4:34 PM
> To: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net
> Subject: Dave: URGENT!
> 
>  
> Dave:  Urgent:  I just heard an interview this afternoon from 3-4pm on NPR (I know, I know) called Fresh Air (Terry Gross but with a substitute) with Wash Post reporter Greg Miller about his article Feb. 18, 2020 about the CIA-owned Swiss company Crypto AG encryption company that they sold (for CIA profit) to countries all over the world (except Russia) which they could they secretly decode all their secret communications  (sans spooks) for over 50 years.  They got out of "the business" in 2018 and instead contract Google, Apple and ? to do the same thing.  Looks like Snowden and Assange just got in on the last couple of years of the operation, which is why they are fried meat in the U.S.
> 
> PLEASE HELP FIND THE WASH. POST ARTICLE 2/28/20 OR THE NPR INTERVIEW OF 3/5/20 and post it!
> 
> Midge
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> To: David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 5, 2020 9:18 am
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway
> 
> The Black Alliance for Peace (BAP) is bringing together Black left organizations and their friends in the movement to rebuild the Black consensus on peace. BAP organizers have created a petition  and a candidate pledge  to demand that war become a central issue in the 2020 election. The petition demands presidential candidates agree to a fifty percent decrease in the U.S. military budget, the closure of the 800-plus military bases around the world, and the abolition of AFRICOM and the Department of Defense?s 1033 weapons transfer program to local police departments. Both the pledge and the petition provide concrete tools for anti-war activists and the general movement to demand that Sanders and his massive base make the struggle against imperialist aggression a priority in the 2020 election.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> https://blackagendareport.com/why-it-unlikely-sandernistas-will-catch-russiagate-fever-and-why-he-should-be-held-accountable
> Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway | Black Agenda Report
> Bernie Sanders? rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the endless wars waged by the US, yet he is sure to face more smears and attacks the more his campaign succeeds. ?When his opponents smear him with wild Russiagate charges, Sanders take the bait.?
> blackagendareport.com
>  
> Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway
> Danny Haiphong, BAR Contributing Editor
>   
> 04 Mar 2020
>  
>  
> Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway
> Bernie Sanders? rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the endless wars waged by the US, yet he is sure to face more smears and attacks the more his campaign succeeds.
> 
> ?When his opponents smear him with wild Russiagate charges, Sanders take the bait.?
> 
> Just a day before the Nevada caucus, the U.S. intelligence apparatus briefed Bernie Sanders about an attempt by the Russian government to interfere in the process on his behalf. The Washington Post , a trusted mouthpiece of the C.I.A. in the corporate media, reported the story without any evidence to support the claim. This was in keeping with the last four years of the U.S. intelligence apparatus? Russiagate operation. Russiagate has served as a McCarthy-esque attack on any inconvenience to imperial rule both domestic and foreign. And Bernie Sanders took the bait.
> 
> To be fair, Bernie Sanders has never challenged Russiagate orthodoxy. Sanders has largely parroted the line of U.S. intelligence that Russia ?hacked? the 2016 election to help Trump win the White House. His response to the intelligence briefing was no different. Sanders told Russia to ?stay out of our elections?  and called Russian president Vladimir Putin an ?autocrat? and a ?thug.? In his continuing bid to differentiate himself from Donald Trump, Sanders reiterated that he would not tolerate any foreign power meddling in U.S. elections. When Michael Bloomberg opened the South Carolina debate attacking Sanders with Russiagate smears, Sanders defended himself with anti-Russian talking points.
> 
> ?Russiagate has served as a McCarthy-esque attack on any inconvenience to imperial rule both domestic and foreign.?
> 
> Yet the claim that Russia is looking to sow chaos in U.S. politics by aiding Sanders? campaign is just as ridiculous as the intelligence apparatus? non-stop innuendo which positions Trump as an agent of the Kremlin who worked with WikiLeaks to cheat Hillary Clinton from winning the 2016 election. Russiagate enthusiasts ignore the fact-free basis of their arguments or that election meddling has historically been a job reserved for the United States. Over the last half century alone, the U.S. has overthrown nearly one hundred governments around the world by directly interfering in their political process.  Russiagate was never designed to take down Trump. It was designed to preserve a world order where the United States ruthlessly and violently calls the shots.
> 
> The protection of the old and decaying imperialist order requires lies, and plenty of them. Russiagate is the biggest lie of them all. This lie is deployed whenever the U.S. ruling class is presented with another indicator of political crisis. It is no coincidence that the so-called revelation of Russian support for Sanders came directly before the Nevada primary. The U.S intelligence apparatus understood full well that Sanders was going to win big in Nevada. By making Sanders a target of the Russiagate operation, U.S. spooks and their corporate backers hoped to undermine the obvious popularity that Sanders? politics enjoys with large portions of the Democratic Party base.
> 
> ?Election meddling has historically been a job reserved for the United States.?
> 
> The effort fell short in Nevada, forcing the intelligence spooks to clarify that their briefing was ?overstated.?  Should Sanders continue to steamroll the competition on Super Tuesday and beyond, the Sandernistas will have little reason to catch Russiagate fever. Like most people in the U.S., Sandernistas are more concerned with healthcare, jobs, and immigration . This doesn?t mean that Russiagate should be dismissed. In fact, that Russiagate smears are largely ignored speaks to a different problem all together. Ignoring the problem doesn?t make it go away. And Bernie Sanders? rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the endless wars waged by the U.S. war machine abroad, of which Russiagate is a critical component.
> 
> Sandernistas are understandably sensitive to criticism of Bernie Sanders because of the intense attack that he has faced from the corporate media and the oligarchs in control of the Democratic Party. The attack has been so intense that many leftist organizations  and communist parties  have called for critical support of Bernie Sanders. Some readers of Black Agenda Report (BAR) have confused BAR?s analysis of the reasons why the Democratic Party establishment is so afraid of Sanders for outright support of his campaign. Such a conclusion fails to consider that BAR has been one of the few independent media outlets that has criticized Bernie Sanders for his imperialist sympathies. Even worse, it privileges an emphasis on condemning Sanders over the strategic, ideological, and organizational questions that must be answered in order to move the anti-imperialist cause forward rather than back. 
> 
> ?BAR has been one of the few independent media outlets that has criticized Bernie Sanders for his imperialist sympathies.?
> 
> Bernie Sanders? long history of taking the Russiagate bait reflects an enduring structural problem with the Democratic Party. That is, the Democratic Party is the War Party. And as such, there are parameters that a social democrat, no matter how earnest they are about Medicare for All and a Green New Deal, cannot cross lest they be completely shunned from the U.S. political process. Russiagate is not the only example of Sanders walking the imperialist path. While he repeatedly calls for the world?s nations to come together to disinvest from weapons production and invest instead in substantial climate change policy, Sanders has continued to bad mouth nations under the gun from U.S. imperialism like Venezuela  as corrupt dictatorships that deserve no gestures of friendship from a future Sanders administration.
> 
> Bernie Sanders should be held accountable for offering no plan to cut the Pentagon  budget or reduce the catastrophic military footprint of the United States. The trillion-plus dollar military albatross is not only an instrument of mass murder, but the top polluter of the planet as well . Sanders should be briefed by the people that warmongering language toward China and the DPRK doesn?t serve the interests of working people in the United States. He should be reminded that the U.S. invasion of Iraq is not so different from the NATO-led invasions of Yugoslavia, Libya, and Syria . The U.S. military and its various organs have one major priority and that is the protection and enrichment of the very class of oligarchs who see Sanders as an existential threat to their austerity regime. Selectively choosing which U.S. interventions matter and which do not as Sanders does by calling out the 1973 C.I.A coup in Chile and then claiming Xi Jingping is a dictator shows that no amount of social democratic progressivism can change the fact that the U.S. presidency is an instrument of imperialism.
> 
> ?Sanders has continued to bad mouth nations under the gun from U.S. imperialism like Venezuela.?
> 
> Sanders cannot take all the blame for leading the masses astray on the question of war and peace. A principle reason why an anti-imperialist movement has not emerged from the growing popularity of social welfare reform is that the most anti-war sector of the U.S. populace, Black America, has yet to recover from four decades of brutal state repression and political misleadership. The Black Alliance for Peace (BAP) is bringing together Black left organizations and their friends in the movement to rebuild the Black consensus on peace. BAP organizers have created a petition  and a candidate pledge  to demand that war become a central issue in the 2020 election. The petition demands presidential candidates agree to a fifty percent decrease in the U.S. military budget, the closure of the 800-plus military bases around the world, and the abolition of AFRICOM and the Department of Defense?s 1033 weapons transfer program to local police departments. Both the pledge and the petition provide concrete tools for anti-war activists and the general movement to demand that Sanders and his massive base make the struggle against imperialist aggression a priority in the 2020 election.
> 
> The truth is that the more Sanders becomes ?electable,? the less likely the issue of war and peace will find room in the 2020 election. Electability in the U.S. electoral system means capitulation to the imperial imperatives of the one percent. While Sanders certainly won?t backtrack on his domestic social welfare agenda, he is sure to face more intense anti-communist smears and attacks the more his campaign succeeds. The more Sanders is attacked by the ruling class, the more his supporters and Sanders himself may think twice before challenging the U.S. intelligence apparatus and the war machine. The U.S. ruling class will not elect its own grave digger. It is up to the power of the people to demand what Sanders nor any other candidate dares to utter. No one is above the truth, especially when millions of lives and the self-determination of nations are what?s at stake. Not Bernie Sanders, not anyone.
> 
> Danny Haiphong is an activist and journalist in the New York City area. He and Roberto Sirvent are co-authors of the book entitled American Exceptionalism and American Innocence: A People?s History of Fake News--From the Revolutionary War to the War on Terror (Skyhorse Publishing). He can be reached at wakeupriseup1990 at gmail.com, on Twitter @spiritofho, and on Youtube at The Left Lens with Danny Haiphong.
> 
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From moboct1 at aim.com  Thu Mar  5 23:43:39 2020
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 23:43:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] CIA Company Crypto AG encryption machine secretly
 used to spy on the world
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?See link:
https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnByLm9yZy9yc3MvcG9kY2FzdC5waHA_aWQ9MzgxNDQ0OTA4&episode=ZTZiMDA3OTAtN2Q2Ni00YWVmLTllZTMtOTQxYTljZjZlNzIy&hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwi4u8WYt4ToAhUUa80KHem3CZoQieUEegQICxAE&ep=6

?This interview?on Fresh Air (link above) is with Wash Post reporter Greg Miller?on his?article Feb. 18, 2020 about the CIA-owned Swiss company Crypto AG?that for 50 years the CIA?sold encryption machines at a profit to countries all over the world (except Russia) which they could then secretly decode all their communications? (sans spooks).? They sold?the business in 2018 and?now contract Google, Apple (and?another US company?I can't remember)?to do the same thing.? Looks like Snowden and?Wikileaks got in on the last couple of years,?no wonder they're fried meat in the US.


Midge




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Bernie Sanders? rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the endless wars waged by the US, yet he is sure to face more smears and attacks the more his campaign succeeds. ?When his opponents smear him with wild Russiagate charges, Sanders take the bait.?

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Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway

Danny Haiphong, BAR Contributing Editor

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Why it is Unlikely Sandernistas Will Catch Russiagate Fever and Why He Should Be Held Accountable Anyway

Bernie Sanders? rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the endless wars waged by the US, yet he?is sure to face more smears and attacks the more his campaign succeeds.

?When his opponents smear him with wild Russiagate charges, Sanders take the bait.?

Just a day before the Nevada caucus, the U.S. intelligence apparatus briefed Bernie Sanders about an attempt by the Russian government to interfere in the process on his behalf.?The Washington Post?, a trusted mouthpiece of the C.I.A. in the corporate media, reported the story without any evidence to support the claim. This was in keeping with the last four years of the U.S. intelligence apparatus? Russiagate operation. Russiagate has served as a McCarthy-esque attack on any inconvenience to imperial rule both domestic and foreign. And Bernie Sanders took the bait.

To be fair, Bernie Sanders has never challenged Russiagate orthodoxy. Sanders has largely parroted the line of U.S. intelligence that Russia ?hacked? the 2016 election to help Trump win the White House. His response to the intelligence briefing was no different. Sanders told Russia to??stay out of our elections???and called Russian president Vladimir Putin an ?autocrat? and a ?thug.? In his continuing bid to differentiate himself from Donald Trump, Sanders reiterated that he would not tolerate any foreign power meddling in U.S. elections. When Michael Bloomberg opened the South Carolina debate attacking Sanders with Russiagate smears, Sanders defended himself with anti-Russian talking points.

?Russiagate has served as a McCarthy-esque attack on any inconvenience to imperial rule both domestic and foreign.?

Yet the claim that Russia is looking to sow chaos in U.S. politics by aiding Sanders? campaign is just as ridiculous as the intelligence apparatus? non-stop innuendo which positions Trump as an agent of the Kremlin who worked with WikiLeaks to cheat Hillary Clinton from winning the 2016 election. Russiagate enthusiasts ignore the fact-free basis of their arguments or that election meddling has historically been a job reserved for the United States.?Over the last half century alone, the U.S. has overthrown nearly one hundred governments around the world by directly?interfering in their political process.??Russiagate was never designed to take down Trump. It was designed to preserve a world order where the United States ruthlessly and violently calls the shots.

The protection of the old and decaying imperialist order requires lies, and plenty of them. Russiagate is the biggest lie of them all. This lie is deployed whenever the U.S. ruling class is presented with another indicator of political crisis. It is no coincidence that the so-called revelation of Russian support for Sanders came directly before the Nevada primary. The U.S intelligence apparatus understood full well that Sanders was going to win big in Nevada. By making Sanders a target of the Russiagate operation, U.S. spooks and their corporate backers hoped to undermine the obvious popularity that Sanders? politics enjoys with large portions of the Democratic Party base.

?Election meddling has historically been a job reserved for the United States.?

The effort fell short in Nevada, forcing the intelligence spooks to clarify that their?briefing was ?overstated.???Should Sanders continue to steamroll the competition on Super Tuesday and beyond, the Sandernistas will have little reason to catch Russiagate fever. Like most people in the U.S., Sandernistas are more concerned with?healthcare, jobs, and immigration?. This doesn?t mean that Russiagate should be dismissed. In fact, that Russiagate smears are largely ignored speaks to a different problem all together. Ignoring the problem doesn?t make it go away. And Bernie Sanders? rise to frontrunner status has done nothing to challenge the endless wars waged by the U.S. war machine abroad, of which Russiagate is a critical component.

Sandernistas are understandably sensitive to criticism of Bernie Sanders because of the intense attack that he has faced from the corporate media and the oligarchs in control of the Democratic Party. The attack has been so intense that many?leftist organizations??and?communist parties??have called for critical support of Bernie Sanders. Some readers of Black Agenda Report (BAR) have confused BAR?s analysis of the reasons why the Democratic Party establishment is so afraid of Sanders for outright support of his campaign. Such a conclusion fails to consider that BAR has been one of the few independent media outlets that has criticized Bernie Sanders for his imperialist sympathies. Even worse, it privileges an emphasis on condemning Sanders over the strategic, ideological, and organizational questions that must be answered in order to move the anti-imperialist cause forward rather than back.?

?BAR has been one of the few independent media outlets that has criticized Bernie Sanders for his imperialist sympathies.?

Bernie Sanders? long history of taking the Russiagate bait reflects an enduring structural problem with the Democratic Party. That is, the Democratic Party is the War Party. And as such, there are parameters that a social democrat, no matter how earnest they are about Medicare for All and a Green New Deal, cannot cross lest they be completely shunned from the U.S. political process. Russiagate is not the only example of Sanders walking the imperialist path. While he repeatedly calls for the world?s nations to come together to disinvest from weapons production and invest instead in substantial climate change policy, Sanders has continued to bad mouth nations under the gun from U.S. imperialism like?Venezuela??as corrupt dictatorships that deserve no gestures of friendship from a future Sanders administration.

Bernie Sanders should be held accountable for offering no plan?to cut the Pentagon??budget or reduce the catastrophic military footprint of the United States. The trillion-plus dollar military albatross is not only an instrument of mass murder, but the?top polluter of the planet as well?. Sanders should be briefed by the people that warmongering language toward China and the DPRK doesn?t serve the interests of working people in the United States. He should be reminded that the U.S. invasion of Iraq is not so different from the?NATO-led invasions of Yugoslavia, Libya, and Syria?. The U.S. military and its various organs have one major priority and that is the protection and enrichment of the very class of oligarchs who see Sanders as an existential threat to their austerity regime. Selectively choosing which U.S. interventions matter and which do not as Sanders does by calling out the 1973 C.I.A coup in Chile and then claiming Xi Jingping is a dictator shows that no amount of social democratic progressivism can change the fact that the U.S. presidency is an instrument of imperialism.

?Sanders has continued to bad mouth nations under the gun from U.S. imperialism like Venezuela.?

Sanders cannot take all the blame for leading the masses astray on the question of war and peace. A principle reason why an anti-imperialist movement has not emerged from the growing popularity of social welfare reform is that the most anti-war sector of the U.S. populace, Black America, has yet to recover from four decades of brutal state repression and political misleadership. The Black Alliance for Peace (BAP) is bringing together Black left organizations and their friends in the movement to rebuild the Black consensus on peace. BAP organizers have created?a petition??and a?candidate pledge??to demand that war become a central issue in the 2020 election. The petition demands presidential candidates agree to a fifty percent decrease in the U.S. military budget, the closure of the 800-plus military bases around the world, and the abolition of AFRICOM and the Department of Defense?s 1033 weapons transfer program to local police departments. Both the pledge and the petition provide concrete tools for anti-war activists and the general movement to demand that Sanders and his massive base make the struggle against imperialist aggression a priority in the 2020 election.

The truth is that the more Sanders becomes ?electable,? the less likely the issue of war and peace will find room in the 2020 election. Electability in the U.S. electoral system means capitulation to the imperial imperatives of the one percent. While Sanders certainly won?t backtrack on his domestic social welfare agenda, he is sure to face more intense anti-communist smears and attacks the more his campaign succeeds.?The more Sanders is attacked by the ruling class, the more his supporters and Sanders himself may think twice before challenging the U.S. intelligence apparatus and the war machine. The U.S. ruling class will not elect its own grave digger. It is up to the power of the people to demand what Sanders nor any other candidate dares to utter. No one is above the truth, especially when millions of lives and the self-determination of nations are what?s at stake. Not Bernie Sanders, not anyone.

Danny Haiphong is an activist and journalist in the New York City area. He and Roberto Sirvent are co-authors of the book entitled?American Exceptionalism and American Innocence: A People?s History of Fake News-->From the Revolutionary War to the War on Terror?(Skyhorse?Publishing).?He can be reached at?wakeupriseup1990 at gmail.com,?on Twitter?@spiritofho,?and on Youtube at The Left Lens?with Danny Haiphong.

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From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
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War: Afghanistan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUgXeR3lZNI -- 18 years of war in Afghanistan (2 more 
years and that war gets a gold watch!). US-Taliban deal is drafted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQS8WZ_i4S0 -- Afghanistan objects to proposed 
prisoner swap which is part of US-Taliban deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QRxH4KU3M4 -- Why US-Taliban peace deal may fail.

War: Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFj4mIXkC3I -- Formerly-secret data discloses US 
military bases in Africa. "I bless the rains down in Africa." --Toto






Media

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sje8Gp-FVsM -- Employees of Sputnik Turkey are freed 
after a brief detention. Just like the "resistance" from MSNBC, CNN, PBS, ABC, CBS, 
et al, right?






Media/Assange: Jeffrey St. Clair raises some good points in the most recent "Roaming 
Charges":

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/28/roaming-charges-get-bernie/

> In response to criticism from Democratic Party centrists that Sanders didn?t do
> enough to help Hillary in 2016, the Sandernistas are touting the fact that Sanders
> did 3 times as many campaign events for Hillary as Hillary did for Obama in 2008.
> I guess that?s one way to look at it. The other is: why the hell was Bernie
> campaigning for Hillary, the walking distillation of every neoliberal policy he
> purports to loathe, at all?

Because Sanders is a sheepdog, not a candidate who seriously challenges the 
establishment. His goal is to draw you into the Democratic Party to keep that party 
alive, not to make that party deliver the policies that will help your life. So much 
of what the late Bruce Dixon wrote in 
https://www.blackagendareport.com/bernie-sanders-sheepdog-4-hillary still applies.

> Only a few months ago, the New York Times was busy denying the existence of a
> ?Democratic Party Establishment.? Now these shadowy powerbrokers have stepped into
> the daylight, knives out to gut Bernie Sanders at all costs, even if it means the
> re-election of Trump and the opening of an ideological schism inside the party
> that may (and perhaps should) never heal.

That schism will be a welcome opportunity to get people to focus more on policy and 
how much the Democrats work with the Republicans to prevent the kind of policies most 
Americans need (national jobs program, UBI, Medicare for All, ending US wars, 
bringing troops/contractors & weapons home, etc.).

> One scheme being openly floated by these would-be kingmakers is to hobble Sanders
> enough in the primaries that he is denied a majority of delegates on the first
> ballot at the convention, whereupon Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown rides in as a
> ?white knight? candidate with Michele Obama riding shotgun as his VP candidate.
> Really?

Rania Khalek addressed a related issue in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNAobiUlh2U 
and her response makes sense: (paraphrasing) this is why there are so many candidates 
still in that race: if candidates can give their delegates to another candidate, they 
can pick an acceptable neocon/neolib (say, Buttigieg, Biden, or Warren) and that 
candidate can end up with more delegates than Sanders. Nearly quoting Khalek, 'One 
candidate can't beat Sanders, but 6 can.'. It looks like she's right: recent 
Democratic Party dropouts have endorsed Biden. Her interview took place before some 
of the dropouts, but I think her point remains valid -- many neocon/neolib defenders 
working together against someone perceived as a threat to those interests (I question 
how much of a threat Sanders really is to those interests, but I concur that the 
perception of threat is there both amongst the elites and Sanders supporters).

> Biden said a few hours before the South Carolina debate that he was running for US
> Senate: And if you don?t like me, vote for the other Biden!?  The other Biden? The
> demyelination process is almost complete?

The Democrats would rather lose to Trump than win with Sanders. Biden is a proven 
neocon/neolib who will go along with the permanent government (like Weak Donald Trump 
has) rather than challenge (as Sanders is expected to be and, I believe, wouldn't if 
elected). It might be entertaining to watch "Sleepy Joe" (as Trump calls Joe Biden) 
debate Trump though.

> In audio at a closed door event at in June 2016, Mike Bloomberg said his
> presidential campaign platform would be to ?defend the banks,? joked about droning
> his personal enemies, and called the progressive movement and Elizabeth Warren
> ?scary.?

Speaking of droning one's enemies, we find those who endorse such behavior keep such 
good company -- Hillary Clinton is reported to have once asked "Can't we just drone 
this guy [Julian Assange]?" regarding WikiLeaks' Editor-in-Chief (per 
https://truepundit.com/under-intense-pressure-to-silence-wikileaks-secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-proposed-drone-strike-on-julian-assange/).

> Clinton?s State Department was getting pressure from President Obama and his White
> House inner circle, as well as heads of state internationally, to try and cutoff
> Assange?s delivery of the cables and if that effort failed, then to forge a
> strategy to minimize the administration?s public embarrassment over the contents
> of the cables. Hence, Clinton?s early morning November meeting of State?s top
> brass who floated various proposals to stop, slow or spin the Wikileaks
> contamination. That is when a frustrated Clinton, sources said, at some point
> blurted out a controversial query.
>
> ?Can?t we just drone this guy?? Clinton openly inquired, offering a simple remedy
> to silence Assange and smother Wikileaks via a planned military drone strike,
> according to State Department sources. The statement drew laughter from the room
> which quickly died off when the Secretary kept talking in a terse manner, sources
> said. Clinton said Assange, after all, was a relatively soft target, ?walking
> around? freely and thumbing his nose without any fear of reprisals from the United
> States. Clinton was upset about Assange?s previous 2010 records releases,
> divulging secret U.S. documents about the war in Afghanistan in July and the war
> in Iraq just a month earlier in October, sources said. At that time in 2010,
> Assange was relatively free and not living cloistered in in the embassy of Ecuador
> in London. Prior to 2010, Assange focused Wikileaks? efforts on countries outside
> the United States but now under Clinton and Obama, Assange was hammering America
> with an unparalleled third sweeping Wikileaks document dump in five months.
> Clinton was fuming, sources said, as each State Department cable dispatched during
> the Obama administration was signed by her.

https://on.rt.com/7qwj RT has more:

> After Clinton?s drone suggestion, the state department considered offering a
> reward to anyone whose help secured the Australian journalist?s capture and
> extradition to the US. Unnamed sources reported a $10 million price was discussed
> at the meeting.
>
> Following the meeting, Clinton aide Ann-Marie Slaughter emailed Clinton and aides
> Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin and Jake Sullivan with the subject, "RE an SP memo on
> possible legal and nonlegal strategies re Wikileaks."
>
> The email contained an attachment "SP Wikileaks doc final11.23.10.docx." which has
> not been found by federal investigators investigating Clinton?s use of a private
> email server. Wikileaks itself does not have this attachment.
>
> Five days after the meeting, Wikileaks began releasing the CableGate files, on
> November 28, 2010.

But that's just anti-war rhetoric, right Rep. Tulsi 'surgical strikes' Gabbard?





Assange extradition hearing news, reports from people on the scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlRafBoXaCs -- interview with Taylor Hudak, 
co-founder of "Action 4 Assange". Hudak said more corporate journalists are showing 
support for Assange now. Hudak saw CNN present on the first day of Assange's 
extradition hearing outside the courtroom where that hearing and many protests are 
being held. But it remains clear that alternative media, not corporate media, is the 
go-to source for Assange news because alternative media "did a really excellent job 
covering this case and highlighting what was taking place inside the courtroom and 
outside the courtroom".

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/ -- Craig Murray's blog features excellent day-by-day 
coverage of events, highly recommended reading for a number of relevant issues 
including the Assange extradition hearing (look for the "Your Man in the Public 
Gallery" posts and posts featuring the word "Assange").

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRCw9NKx_QU -- RT interview with John Shipton, Julian 
Assange's father.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WABEIKPmTkM -- RT's report on "The US vs Julian 
Assange: Why Washington hates him".




Healthcare: Medicare for All remains popular nationwide -- "In Every Super Tuesday 
State With Exit Polls, Majority of Democratic Voters Support Eliminating Private 
Health Insurance"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/04/every-super-tuesday-state-exit-polls-majority-democratic-voters-support-eliminating
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1233939289458839554

> Edison Research exit poll results from Maine, North Carolina, and Virginia showed
> majority support for eliminating private insurance in favor of a universal
> government plan.
> 
> Results from every other Super Tuesday state?with the exception of Utah and
> Arkansas, where Edison did not conduct exit polls?followed the early trend,
> delivering the clearest indication of the 2020 election season that scrapping
> America's wasteful and deadly private insurance system is not as "radical" or
> unpalatable a proposal as some politicians and pundits like to claim.
> 
> Democratic voters in Vermont, the home state of presidential hopeful and Medicare
> for All champion Sen. Bernie Sanders, supported eliminating private insurance by
> the widest margin.
> 
>     A government plan for all instead of private insurance,
>     Support/Oppose:
>     VT: 73%/23%
>     ME: 69%/28%
>     TX: 63%/33%
>     MN: 62%/35%
>     CO: 57%/36%
>     CA: 57%/36%
>     NC: 55%/41%
>     OK: 53%/43%
>     TN: 52%/44%
>     AL: 51%/43%
>     VA: 52%/45%
>     MA: 50%/45%




Skripal poisoning anniversary: What do we know for sure? What more do we know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruXGk2lRFi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tBHho2YMo -- A compelling summary of events to date.

Former PM May's "highly likely" accusation against Russia in the Skripal poisoning 
investigation is almost completely evidenceless and that accusation fueled Russiagate 
speculation. Neither the OPCW nor Porton Down (the UK lab near Salisbury) could 
confirm the origin of the poison used against the Skripals (father Sergey & daughter 
Yulia). The chemical agent involved was identified as one of the so-called "novichok" 
(Russian for "newcomer") nerve agents by Gary Aitkenhead, Chief Executive of the UK 
government's Defense and Science Technology Lab.

> Gary Aitkenhead: We were able to identify it as novichok, to identify it was a
> military-grade nerve agent. We have not verified the precise source but we have
> provided the scientific information to the [UK] government, who have then used a
> number of other sources to piece together the conclusions that they have come to.
This substance is said to be one of the most deadly (a tiny amount one could easily 
carry with them could kill many grown men). However:

- novichok production was said to have stopped in Russia in 1992.
- novichok was studied in a number of other countries including the Czech Republic, 
Sweden, Slovakia, and some suspect the UK.
- novichok formulae were published widely and readily available to all.

- Russia's offer for a joint investigation was rejected by the UK. Russia was blocked 
from access to information from the OPCW probe.

- Coincidentally a British Army Nurse just happened to be on the scene, with her 
daughter, in the park where the Skripals were found slumped over on a park bench. The 
nurse and her daughter wore no protective gear, suffered no symptoms, and 
administered first aid to the Skripals.

- The number of people who did not die from exposure to this allegedly "military 
grade" poison are remarkably high: 2 Skripals, the nurse and her daughter, and a 
local policeman all of whom had contact with the Skripals. The Skripals and the 
policeman were ill for a time but treated and eventually released.

- Yulia Skripal issued one statement through the British police and appeared in one 
TV interview where she asks for no one to contact her. Yulia has been seen since her 
recovery, her father has not. As the RT report says, "Both Skripals have since 
disappeared without a trace.".

- Yulia's cousin Victoria had a brief phone conversation with her:

> Victoria: It was clear she [Yulia] was speaking someone else's words. It could not
> be heard on the phone, but I heard someone say 'You can talk'. Somebody dialed my 
> number for her because she clearly didn't remember my cell number. Logically, she 
> had to call my home number but for some reason she phoned my cell phone.

Victoria had her UK visa applications repeatedly rejected.

-J

From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 00:47:56 2020
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 18:47:56 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] 1.5 million have watched this video of vets
 confronting Biden on Iraq
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNTS37pubVJHQVyjE2sxQnHN+tY3=4r-SFpWeu70aH=GhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNTS37pubVJHQVyjE2sxQnHN+tY3=4r-SFpWeu70aH=GhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALMNhNQKQ3Ho3v512m0_=_2TH_CWYLO=_Ou2qkr5vYQr1JBbXw@mail.gmail.com>

Apparently, a bunch of Americans do in fact care about this.

https://twitter.com/VetsAboutFace/status/1235026472940625921

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From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 22:09:43 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bernie staffer pushes back on latest NYT
 McCarthyite Russia nonsense
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNTifiPj42NvDgKt_gaVTkwvsP8qFE+Qq4Dax4Cj6VqGeQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Please RT. Maybe this could be an Army-McCarthy jump-the-shark Waterloo for
this nonsense.

https://twitter.com/keanebhatt/status/1235771107648684032?s=12

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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Fri Mar  6 19:03:04 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 19:03:04 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Deaths of Despair"
Message-ID: <CH2PR11MB43445316A97CD9701C298E648CE30@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

How Working-Class Life Is Killing Americans, in Charts
By David Leonhardt and Stuart A. Thompson
NYT  MARCH 6, 2020
   When the economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton first published their research on ?deaths of despair? five years ago, they focused on middle-aged whites. So many white working-class Americans in their 40s and 50s were dying of suicide, alcoholism and drug abuse that the overall mortality rate for the age group was no longer falling ? a rare and shocking pattern in a modern society.
    But as Case and Deaton continued digging into the data, it became clear that the grim trends didn?t apply only to middle-aged whites. Up and down the age spectrum, deaths of despair have been surging for people without a four-year college degree:  . . . 
   <?snip?>   
Thanks to Sandy Camargo for the reference.    ? RSz. 

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Fri Mar  6 19:03:04 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 19:03:04 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Deaths of Despair"
Message-ID: <CH2PR11MB43445316A97CD9701C298E648CE30@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

How Working-Class Life Is Killing Americans, in Charts
By David Leonhardt and Stuart A. Thompson
NYT  MARCH 6, 2020
   When the economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton first published their research on ?deaths of despair? five years ago, they focused on middle-aged whites. So many white working-class Americans in their 40s and 50s were dying of suicide, alcoholism and drug abuse that the overall mortality rate for the age group was no longer falling ? a rare and shocking pattern in a modern society.
    But as Case and Deaton continued digging into the data, it became clear that the grim trends didn?t apply only to middle-aged whites. Up and down the age spectrum, deaths of despair have been surging for people without a four-year college degree:  . . . 
   <?snip?>   
Thanks to Sandy Camargo for the reference.    ? RSz. 

From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Mar  7 01:07:49 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 19:07:49 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune #453 notes
Message-ID: <8d3e9078-dbf5-cdd8-580f-6287b1398a4e@forestfield.org>

News from Neptune #453
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryb1J8oRliQ
A "U.S. Biowarfare?" episode

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

Rosa Luxemburg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg -- born 1871-03-05

Working Class History
https://workingclasshistory.com/




Dave Makichuk on "China?s bioweapon spy story that never was"
https://asiatimes.com/2020/02/chinas-bioweapon-spy-story-that-never-was/
https://archive.md/wT6uy

GreatGameIndia on "Coronavirus Bioweapon ? How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada 
And Weaponized It"
https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/

Lance Welton on "IT?S OFFICIAL: Chinese Scientists Find Genetic Explanation For 
Coronavirus Discriminating By Race"
https://vdare.com/articles/it-s-official-chinese-scientists-find-genetic-explanation-for-coronavirus-discriminating-by-race

RT on "ZeroHedge banned from Twitter after BuzzFeed accuses it of coronavirus 
conspiracy and ?doxxing? a Chinese scientist"
https://on.rt.com/aa8g

Tyler Durden on "Smoking Gun? Chinese Scientist Finds "Killer Coronavirus Probably 
Originated From A Laboratory In Wuhan""
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/smoking-gun-chinese-scientist-finds-killer-coronavirus-probably-originated-laboratory-wuhan






Diana Lenik on "Bar polls are not credible"
https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/letter-to-the-editor-bar-polls-are-not-credible/article_b2d04c9d-39fc-5329-b478-597a02a2d9fb.html

Lisa Lehrer on "Was It Always Going to Be the Last Men Standing?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/us/politics/women-voters-democratic-candidates.html

Matt Bruenig on "Comparing Warren?s and Sanders?s Child Care Proposals"
https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2020/02/28/comparing-warrens-and-sanderss-child-care-proposals/

Michelle Goldberg on "The Case for Elizabeth Warren"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/sunday/elizabeth-warren-2020.html

Leonard Pitts, Jr. on "Sanders? most rabid fans on the left no improvement over 
Trump?s on the right"
https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article240630207.html

Rebecca Solnit on "The Harvey Weinstein Verdict Is a Watershed ? and a Warning"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/opinion/sunday/harvey-weinstein-verdict.html


Politico on "Coming to a podcast near you: Hillary Clinton"
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/27/hillary-clinton-podcast-118024
https://archive.md/qlPrn

Benjamin Studebaker & Aimee Terese's show "What's Left?"
https://soundcloud.com/whatisleftpod/ -- list of recent episodes
https://twitter.com/whatisleftpod -- Twitter account
https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:595199712/sounds.rss -- RSS feed

Doug Henwood's show "Behind the News"
RSS feed: http://shout.lbo-talk.org/lbo/radio-feed.php

Henwood interviews Yasha Levine
http://shout.lbo-talk.org/lbo/RadioArchive/2020/20_02_13.mp3




Anton Troianovski on "As Bernie Sanders Pushed for Closer Ties, Soviet Union Spotted 
Opportunity"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/world/europe/bernie-sanders-soviet-russia.html




Mike Masnick on "Court Explains 1st Amendment To Tulsi Gabbard In Dismissing Her 
Ridiculous Lawsuit Against Google"
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200304/15274544035/court-explains-1st-amendment-to-tulsi-gabbard-dismissing-her-ridiculous-lawsuit-against-google.shtml




Leonard Pitts Jr. on "The swarming behavior of Sanders' voters"
https://www.arcamax.com/politics/fromtheleft/leonardpittsjr/s-2331404

All pages on the wsws.org site mentioning "1619 project"
https://www.wsws.org/en/search.html?sectionId=&maxResults=100&phrase=1619+project&submit=Search

Black Agenda Report
https://www.blackagendareport.com/

Black Agenda Report on Ta-Nehisi Coates
https://blackagendareport.com/index.php/node/25092
https://blackagendareport.com/content/ta-nehisi-coates-blackwashing-reparations-brand-and-last-refuge-scoundrels

Bruce Dixon, in his own words
https://blackagendareport.com/bruce-dixon-his-own-words

Doug Henwood's interview with Margaret Kimberley
http://shout.lbo-talk.org/lbo/RadioArchive/2020/20_02_06.mp3

Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVCo6aEEwg -- RT's "Renegade Inc." 
interview with Margaret Kimberley




Jeffrey St. Clair on "Roaming Charges: Super Tuesday at Manzanar"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/06/roaming-charges-super-tuesday-at-manzanar/

Brian Gaines on "Can anyone beat Bernie?"
https://www.news-gazette.com/news/can-anyone-beat-bernie/article_da3020bc-eda9-5479-9b11-6415a162d21d.html




Pepe Escobar on "No Weapon Left Behind - The American Hybrid War On China"
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/02/21/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-no-weapon-left-behind-american-hybrid-war-china
https://www.unz.com/pescobar/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/
https://thesaker.is/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/




Notes from J.B. Nicholson
https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2020-March/052010.html
https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace/2020-March/015767.html

-J

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Sat Mar  7 01:48:03 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 19:48:03 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Anti-war demo, Sat. 7 March, 2-4pm,
 in downtown Champaign
Message-ID: <9CC7E4DE-AD73-4E74-AA5E-9A350466E244@newsfromneptune.com>

[Flyer to distributed at AWARE?s regular anti-war demonstration, Sat. 7 March, 2-4pm, in downtown Champaign]
 
Why is the presidential campaign ignoring America?s war-making around the world?

The U.S. media (owned by large corporations) continue to tell us how terrible President Trump is, but that is a way to avoid talking about how terrible U.S. government war-making is - recently in Venezuela and Bolivia, as well as Afghanistan and Syria - and now Iraq and Iran.

And in regard to killing people around the world, the Trump administration?s policy seems little different from that of the Obama administration - for all of President Trump?s assertions that he wants to end the Obama-Clinton wars.

President Obama inherited two shameful wars from the Bush administration (in Afghanistan and Iraq): he increased the number to eight (attacking Libya, Pakistan, the Philippines, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen as well) and became the first U.S. president ever to be at war throughout two terms. Not even presidents Roosevelt (WWII), Wilson (WWI), or Lincoln (Civil War) did that. 

As Barack Obama said in 2012, after ordering drone assassinations of American citizens, including minors (purposely),  ?Turns out I?m really good at killing people; didn?t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.? 

While ?covering sin with smooth names,? Obama  continued America?s longest-standing foreign policy - attempting to prevent the integration of Eurasia, for fear that it would interfere with the U.S. elite?s economic exploitation of the rest of the world - by American war provocations against Russia and China, from Ukraine to the South China Sea.

Trump, after criticizing Obama?s war-making, has largely continued it - in part at least because he is under pressure from the ?deep state? to maintain the traditional US foreign policy of retarding the economic development of Russia and China - and their connections in southwest Asia.

Since the end of World War II,  the U.S. has killed more than 20 million people in wars (Korea, Vietnam, Latin America, Mideast, and elsewhere) designed to destroy challenges to the economic hegemony the U.S. obtained as the only major country largely undamaged by World War II. (Russia lost 27 million people in defeating Naziism; U.S. losses in WWII totaled about a half million people.) 

That is why today international polls show that the U.S. is the most feared government in the world - not China, Russia, Iran, or Israel. The rest of the world recognizes that the U.S. government remains what Martin Luther King called it long ago: ?the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.? 
~~~
With other peace groups around the world, we call upon our president and government 
	(a) to close the thousand U.S. military bases on foreign soil (most encircling Russia and China), 
	(b) to bring all U.S. troops (and weapons) home, and 
	(c) to provide social supports - including free medical care, education, and a universal basic income - for Americans, who have been made poorer by generations of our government?s wars.
~~~
In Illinois, send your opinion to your local representatives in Congress--
	~ Senator Dick Durbin: <https://www.durbin.senate.gov/contact/email>
	~ Sen. Tammy Duckworth: <https://www.duckworth.senate.gov/content/contact-senator>
	~ Representative Rodney Davis: <https://rodneydavis.house.gov/contact/>
~~~
This flyer is produced by members & friends of AWARE, the ?Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort?
of Champaign-Urbana <https://www.facebook.com/groups/305897426305/>.
The TV program ?AWARE on the Air,? a local discussion of war news,
is on Urbana Public Television, Tuesdays at 10pm (& YouTube).

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  7 03:40:26 2020
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 19:40:26 -0800
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] News from Neptune #453 notes
In-Reply-To: <8d3e9078-dbf5-cdd8-580f-6287b1398a4e@forestfield.org>
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Quite a good and informative program tonight.

Carl: Though I?ve read most of Prof. Francis Boyle?s articles related to the Corona Virus, I had not seen the one in the Asia Times, a very anti-China publishing apparatus, with the exclusion of Pepe Escobar. It differs little from that which I?ve seen elsewhere. The Indian rag would of course as the US proxy in Asia, make such accusations. 

Francis makes it clear the virus, if a biowarfare weapon was created in the US, in one of our 400 laboratories specializing in chemical weapons. 

Your coverage was done well.
 
How China acquired the virus? Purchased or stolen, I believe to be irrelevant as I?m speculating that the Chinese, always keenly aware of what the USG is producing in their efforts to contain, control or annihilate China, likely acquired it to study and either reproduce as a defense weapon, as a mutual self destruct mechanism, or to create a vaccine/cure.
However, accidents happen and that is what Francis has been attempting to warn us for some years now in relation to US biowarfare viruses being created here. 

There has been speculation by Chinese that the US deliberately set it off in China during war games in November, I question that assertion. I didn?t know we did war games in/with China.

The US can?t claim to be working on a vaccine or cure, given we have defunded the CDC, and other health institutions, allowing the private pharma cos. to now profit from what could be devastating. The need for Medicare4All is becoming more apparent than ever. 

The timing couldn?t be better, when the stock market is/has been on the verge of collapsing the economy for some time now, we have our scapegoat.


 

> On Mar 6, 2020, at 17:07, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> News from Neptune #453
> Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryb1J8oRliQ
> A "U.S. Biowarfare?" episode
> 
> A list of links to items referenced on the show.
> 
> Rosa Luxemburg
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg -- born 1871-03-05
> 
> Working Class History
> https://workingclasshistory.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Makichuk on "China?s bioweapon spy story that never was"
> https://asiatimes.com/2020/02/chinas-bioweapon-spy-story-that-never-was/
> https://archive.md/wT6uy
> 
> GreatGameIndia on "Coronavirus Bioweapon ? How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponized It"
> https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/
> 
> Lance Welton on "IT?S OFFICIAL: Chinese Scientists Find Genetic Explanation For Coronavirus Discriminating By Race"
> https://vdare.com/articles/it-s-official-chinese-scientists-find-genetic-explanation-for-coronavirus-discriminating-by-race
> 
> RT on "ZeroHedge banned from Twitter after BuzzFeed accuses it of coronavirus conspiracy and ?doxxing? a Chinese scientist"
> https://on.rt.com/aa8g
> 
> Tyler Durden on "Smoking Gun? Chinese Scientist Finds "Killer Coronavirus Probably Originated From A Laboratory In Wuhan""
> https://www.zerohedge.com/health/smoking-gun-chinese-scientist-finds-killer-coronavirus-probably-originated-laboratory-wuhan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Diana Lenik on "Bar polls are not credible"
> https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/letter-to-the-editor-bar-polls-are-not-credible/article_b2d04c9d-39fc-5329-b478-597a02a2d9fb.html
> 
> Lisa Lehrer on "Was It Always Going to Be the Last Men Standing?"
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/us/politics/women-voters-democratic-candidates.html
> 
> Matt Bruenig on "Comparing Warren?s and Sanders?s Child Care Proposals"
> https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2020/02/28/comparing-warrens-and-sanderss-child-care-proposals/
> 
> Michelle Goldberg on "The Case for Elizabeth Warren"
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/sunday/elizabeth-warren-2020.html
> 
> Leonard Pitts, Jr. on "Sanders? most rabid fans on the left no improvement over Trump?s on the right"
> https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article240630207.html
> 
> Rebecca Solnit on "The Harvey Weinstein Verdict Is a Watershed ? and a Warning"
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/opinion/sunday/harvey-weinstein-verdict.html
> 
> 
> Politico on "Coming to a podcast near you: Hillary Clinton"
> https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/27/hillary-clinton-podcast-118024
> https://archive.md/qlPrn
> 
> Benjamin Studebaker & Aimee Terese's show "What's Left?"
> https://soundcloud.com/whatisleftpod/ -- list of recent episodes
> https://twitter.com/whatisleftpod -- Twitter account
> https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:595199712/sounds.rss -- RSS feed
> 
> Doug Henwood's show "Behind the News"
> RSS feed: http://shout.lbo-talk.org/lbo/radio-feed.php
> 
> Henwood interviews Yasha Levine
> http://shout.lbo-talk.org/lbo/RadioArchive/2020/20_02_13.mp3
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Anton Troianovski on "As Bernie Sanders Pushed for Closer Ties, Soviet Union Spotted Opportunity"
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/world/europe/bernie-sanders-soviet-russia.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mike Masnick on "Court Explains 1st Amendment To Tulsi Gabbard In Dismissing Her Ridiculous Lawsuit Against Google"
> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200304/15274544035/court-explains-1st-amendment-to-tulsi-gabbard-dismissing-her-ridiculous-lawsuit-against-google.shtml
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Leonard Pitts Jr. on "The swarming behavior of Sanders' voters"
> https://www.arcamax.com/politics/fromtheleft/leonardpittsjr/s-2331404
> 
> All pages on the wsws.org site mentioning "1619 project"
> https://www.wsws.org/en/search.html?sectionId=&maxResults=100&phrase=1619+project&submit=Search
> 
> Black Agenda Report
> https://www.blackagendareport.com/
> 
> Black Agenda Report on Ta-Nehisi Coates
> https://blackagendareport.com/index.php/node/25092
> https://blackagendareport.com/content/ta-nehisi-coates-blackwashing-reparations-brand-and-last-refuge-scoundrels
> 
> Bruce Dixon, in his own words
> https://blackagendareport.com/bruce-dixon-his-own-words
> 
> Doug Henwood's interview with Margaret Kimberley
> http://shout.lbo-talk.org/lbo/RadioArchive/2020/20_02_06.mp3
> 
> Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVCo6aEEwg -- RT's "Renegade Inc." interview with Margaret Kimberley
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jeffrey St. Clair on "Roaming Charges: Super Tuesday at Manzanar"
> https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/06/roaming-charges-super-tuesday-at-manzanar/
> 
> Brian Gaines on "Can anyone beat Bernie?"
> https://www.news-gazette.com/news/can-anyone-beat-bernie/article_da3020bc-eda9-5479-9b11-6415a162d21d.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Pepe Escobar on "No Weapon Left Behind - The American Hybrid War On China"
> https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/02/21/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/
> https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-no-weapon-left-behind-american-hybrid-war-china
> https://www.unz.com/pescobar/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/
> https://thesaker.is/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Notes from J.B. Nicholson
> https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2020-March/052010.html
> https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace/2020-March/015767.html
> 
> -J
> _______________________________________________
> Peace mailing list
> Peace at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace


From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Mar  7 04:40:15 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 22:40:15 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bernie Sanders is a Russiagator
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNQsgtOxGcO9KbyfFa9TuKX2MtJghNtXNJJxuT__tFjLjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNR0sitf21ndOykPYC_e+AGPUCrZNkUAEDKg1=cypu9QOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALMNhNTifiPj42NvDgKt_gaVTkwvsP8qFE+Qq4Dax4Cj6VqGeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALMNhNQsgtOxGcO9KbyfFa9TuKX2MtJghNtXNJJxuT__tFjLjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <389f7436-a091-82b7-f180-25f6f7dbf3bf@forestfield.org>

Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss wrote:
> Please RT. Maybe this could be an Army-McCarthy jump-the-shark Waterloo for
> this nonsense.

There's enough nonsense coming from Bernie Sanders himself. I don't see much reason 
to feel sorry for Sen. Sanders over being smeared via Russiagate distortions and lies 
because his real role has always been and continues to be a "sheepdog" for the 
Democratic Party as the late Bruce Dixon put it in 
https://www.blackagendareport.com/bernie-sanders-sheepdog-4-hillary . So much of that 
article holds up with a few changes of names; we are worse off for not having Dixon 
around anymore.

Getting back to why we need not feel sorry for Sanders, Sanders echoes Russiagate 
nonsense making him a Russiagator. Here's a quote of Bernie Sanders "Russiagating" 
himself as Rania Khalek put it in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNAobiUlh2U , 
perhaps to "kiss the ring of the DNC" as Danny Haiphong put it in 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN9RcROvKxY

1m35s into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVGG8kCu2xw

> Senator Bernie Sanders: Look, let me just say a word about Russia: Mr. Putin is a 
> thug. He is an autocrat. He may be a friend of Donald Trump's, he's not a friend 
> of mine. Let me tell Mr. Putin, the American people whether they're Republicans, 
> Democrats, independents, are sick and tired of seeing Russia and other countries 
> interfering in our elections. The intelligence community has been very clear
> about it whether Trump recognizes it or not or acknowledges it or not they did
> interfere in 2016, the intelligence community is telling us they are interfering
> in this campaign right now in 2020. And when I say to Mr. Putin if elected
> president: trust me, you are not going to be interfering in American elections.
> 
> Questioner: Senator, when were you briefed on this?
> 
> Senator Bernie Sanders: I'm guessing about a month ago.
> 
> Questioner: And what are you going to do now that you know this?
> 
> Senator Bernie Sanders: Well, we, uh, it was not clear what role they're gonna 
> play. We were told that Russia, maybe other countries, are gonna get involved in 
> this campaign. And look, here is the message to Russia -- stay out of American 
> elections. And what they are doing, by the way, the ugly thing that they are 
> doing, and I've seen some of their tweets and stuff, is they try to divide us up. 
> That's what they did in 2016 and that is the ugliest thing they are doing; is
> they are trying to cause chaos, they are trying to cause hatred in America. It's
> an ugly business and all of us have got to say sorry you're not going to do this
> in this election. And again, as President of the United States, Mr. Putin you
> will not interfere in our election.

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sat Mar  7 05:23:49 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 05:23:49 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Leveller
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Thomas Piketty Goes Global
Now that the celebrity economist?s boldest ideas have been adopted by mainstream politicians, he has an even more provocative vision for transcending capitalism and overcoming our ?inequality regime.?
By Idrees Kahloon  [ U.S. policy correspondent for The Economist ]
New Yorker   March 9, 2020  [Blindfolded Donald Trump on the cover, pages 75-78]  

Speaking in 1918, with Europe ravaged by the horrors of modern warfare and Russia in the hands of the Bolsheviks, Irving Fisher warned his colleagues at the annual meeting of the American Economic Association of ?a great peril.? That peril, which risked ?perverting the democracy for which we have just been fighting,? was extreme inequality. ?We may be sure that there will be a bitter struggle over the distribution of wealth,? Fisher, perhaps the most celebrated economist of his day, maintained. More than a century later?at another annual meeting of the American Economic Association?the spectre once more loomed over the discipline. ?American capitalism and democracy are not working for people without a college degree,? Anne Case, an economist at Princeton, declared in January, as she flipped through slides in a large, windowless conference room. On a screen, charts showed breathtaking increases in suicide, drug overdoses, and alcoholism among less-educated whites over the past two decades. These ?deaths of despair,? as she and her husband-collaborator, Angus Deaton, call them, originated in the deep unfairness of American society. When Fisher issued his warning, the richest ten per cent of Americans were taking home forty-one per cent of all domestic income. Today, they take forty-eight per cent.

If inequality has become the subject of intense public attention, a good deal of the credit goes to the French economist Thomas Piketty. In 2014, ?Capital in the Twenty-first Century,? a dense tome published in English by an academic press, became an unlikely global best-seller; there are more than two million copies in print. Previously, Piketty, who teaches at the Paris School of Economics, had been an academic luminary but not a public one; the focus of his research, inequality, had long been a niche subject. Timing and talent catapulted him to fame. His book perfectly fit the post-Occupy Wall Street ethos, providing empirical rigor for the upswell in anger. The wounds of the Great Recession had hardly scabbed over; disillusionment with the rich and powerful verged on Jacobinism. The moment was ripe for a grand, iconoclastic theory, and that?s exactly what Piketty provided, with detailed figures and lucid prose. In earlier work, he and a frequent collaborator, the economist Emmanuel Saez, had the innovative idea of framing inequality in terms of the top one per cent?s share versus everyone else?s?eschewing the discipline?s usual formula of Gini coefficients, which are meaningless to the masses, and identifying a clear, common enemy. The problem was inherent in capitalism itself. Over the past century, the rate of return on capital (r) and existing wealth, owned disproportionately by the rich, had exceeded the rate of growth in the economy (g) as a whole. That had created a chasm of inequality comparable to what existed during the Gilded Age, before the gilding was removed by two cataclysmic world wars and the Great Depression. You could distill the core of Piketty?s theory down to three characters (r > g) and emblazon the formula on a T-shirt?something that nerdier subgroups of the population actually did.   
   . . .   [ continues ]

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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sat Mar  7 05:23:49 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 05:23:49 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Leveller
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Thomas Piketty Goes Global
Now that the celebrity economist?s boldest ideas have been adopted by mainstream politicians, he has an even more provocative vision for transcending capitalism and overcoming our ?inequality regime.?
By Idrees Kahloon  [ U.S. policy correspondent for The Economist ]
New Yorker   March 9, 2020  [Blindfolded Donald Trump on the cover, pages 75-78]  

Speaking in 1918, with Europe ravaged by the horrors of modern warfare and Russia in the hands of the Bolsheviks, Irving Fisher warned his colleagues at the annual meeting of the American Economic Association of ?a great peril.? That peril, which risked ?perverting the democracy for which we have just been fighting,? was extreme inequality. ?We may be sure that there will be a bitter struggle over the distribution of wealth,? Fisher, perhaps the most celebrated economist of his day, maintained. More than a century later?at another annual meeting of the American Economic Association?the spectre once more loomed over the discipline. ?American capitalism and democracy are not working for people without a college degree,? Anne Case, an economist at Princeton, declared in January, as she flipped through slides in a large, windowless conference room. On a screen, charts showed breathtaking increases in suicide, drug overdoses, and alcoholism among less-educated whites over the past two decades. These ?deaths of despair,? as she and her husband-collaborator, Angus Deaton, call them, originated in the deep unfairness of American society. When Fisher issued his warning, the richest ten per cent of Americans were taking home forty-one per cent of all domestic income. Today, they take forty-eight per cent.

If inequality has become the subject of intense public attention, a good deal of the credit goes to the French economist Thomas Piketty. In 2014, ?Capital in the Twenty-first Century,? a dense tome published in English by an academic press, became an unlikely global best-seller; there are more than two million copies in print. Previously, Piketty, who teaches at the Paris School of Economics, had been an academic luminary but not a public one; the focus of his research, inequality, had long been a niche subject. Timing and talent catapulted him to fame. His book perfectly fit the post-Occupy Wall Street ethos, providing empirical rigor for the upswell in anger. The wounds of the Great Recession had hardly scabbed over; disillusionment with the rich and powerful verged on Jacobinism. The moment was ripe for a grand, iconoclastic theory, and that?s exactly what Piketty provided, with detailed figures and lucid prose. In earlier work, he and a frequent collaborator, the economist Emmanuel Saez, had the innovative idea of framing inequality in terms of the top one per cent?s share versus everyone else?s?eschewing the discipline?s usual formula of Gini coefficients, which are meaningless to the masses, and identifying a clear, common enemy. The problem was inherent in capitalism itself. Over the past century, the rate of return on capital (r) and existing wealth, owned disproportionately by the rich, had exceeded the rate of growth in the economy (g) as a whole. That had created a chasm of inequality comparable to what existed during the Gilded Age, before the gilding was removed by two cataclysmic world wars and the Great Depression. You could distill the core of Piketty?s theory down to three characters (r > g) and emblazon the formula on a T-shirt?something that nerdier subgroups of the population actually did.   
   . . .   [ continues ]

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From moboct1 at aim.com  Sat Mar  7 12:18:15 2020
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 12:18:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Leveller:  News for Anne Case:
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American capitalism and democrazy is not working for the MORE well-educated, either...


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Thomas Piketty Goes Global
Now that the celebrity economist?s boldest ideas have been adopted by mainstream politicians, he has an even more provocative vision for transcending capitalism and overcoming our ?inequality regime.?
By Idrees Kahloon? [ U.S. policy correspondent for The Economist ]
New Yorker? March 9, 2020? [Blindfolded Donald Trump on the cover, pages 75-78]? 

Speaking in 1918, with Europe ravaged by the horrors of modern warfare and Russia in the hands of the Bolsheviks, Irving Fisher warned his colleagues at the annual meeting of the American Economic Association of ?a great peril.? That peril, which risked ?perverting the democracy for which we have just been fighting,? was extreme inequality. ?We may be sure that there will be a bitter struggle over the distribution of wealth,? Fisher, perhaps the most celebrated economist of his day, maintained. More than a century later?at another annual meeting of the American Economic Association?the spectre once more loomed over the discipline. ?American capitalism and democracy are not working for people without a college degree,? Anne Case, an economist at Princeton, declared in January, as she flipped through slides in a large, windowless conference room. On a screen, charts showed breathtaking increases in suicide, drug overdoses, and alcoholism among less-educated whites over the past two decades. These ?deaths of despair,? as she and her husband-collaborator, Angus Deaton, call them, originated in the deep unfairness of American society. When Fisher issued his warning, the richest ten per cent of Americans were taking home forty-one per cent of all domestic income. Today, they take forty-eight per cent.

If inequality has become the subject of intense public attention, a good deal of the credit goes to the French economist Thomas Piketty. In 2014, ?Capital in the Twenty-first Century,? a dense tome published in English by an academic press, became an unlikely global best-seller; there are more than two million copies in print. Previously, Piketty, who teaches at the Paris School of Economics, had been an academic luminary but not a public one; the focus of his research, inequality, had long been a niche subject. Timing and talent catapulted him to fame. His book perfectly fit the post-Occupy Wall Street ethos, providing empirical rigor for the upswell in anger. The wounds of the Great Recession had hardly scabbed over; disillusionment with the rich and powerful verged on Jacobinism. The moment was ripe for a grand, iconoclastic theory, and that?s exactly what Piketty provided, with detailed figures and lucid prose. In earlier work, he and a frequent collaborator, the economist Emmanuel Saez, had the innovative idea of framing inequality in terms of the top one per cent?s share versus everyone else?s?eschewing the discipline?s usual formula of Gini coefficients, which are meaningless to the masses, and identifying a clear, common enemy. The problem was inherent in capitalism itself. Over the past century, the rate of return on capital (r) and existing wealth, owned disproportionately by the rich, had exceeded the rate of growth in the economy (g) as a whole. That had created a chasm of inequality comparable to what existed during the Gilded Age, before the gilding was removed by two cataclysmic world wars and the Great Depression. You could distill the core of Piketty?s theory down to three characters (r > g) and emblazon the formula on a T-shirt?something that nerdier subgroups of the population actually did.? 
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Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: U.S. Biowarfare Programs
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> U.S. Biowarfare Programs :
> 
> America?s $100-billion Germ Warfare
> 
> Industry a ?Criminal Enterprise,?
> 
> Author of U.S. Biowarfare Act Says
> 
> By Sherwood Ross
> 
>  
> 
> The American legal authority who in 1989 drafted the law Congress enacted to comply with the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention says the U.S. today [October 11, 2015] is in flagrant violation of that Convention.
> 
>  
> 
> "Since Sept. 11, 2001, we have spent somewhere in the area of $100 billion" on offensive biological warfare, charges Professor Francis Boyle of the University of Illinois, Champaign. 
> 
>  
> 
> Boyle said an estimated 13,000 "death scientists" in 400 laboratories in the U.S. and abroad, are employed making new strains of offensive killer germs that will be resistant to vaccines. 
> 
>  
> 
> For example, Dr. Yoshihiro Kawaoka's group at the University of Wisconsin has found a way to increase the toxicity of the flu virus by 200 times! Boyle says Kawaoka is "the same death scientist who resurrected the genocidal Spanish Flu virus for the Pentagon for offensive biowarfare purposes."
> 
>  
> 
> As for fighting flu, the National Institutes of Health in 2006, a typical year, got only $120 million from Congress to fight flu, which kills an estimated 36,000 Americans annually.  By contrast, Congress gave NIH $1.76 billion for "biodefense," even though the anthrax outbreak in 2001 killed just five persons.
> 
>  
> 
> "These distorted budgetary allocations," (spending 15 times as much for germ warfare as for fighting flu) demonstrate that the priority here is not the promotion of the public health of American citizens but rather to further develop the U.S. offensive biowarfare industry that will someday 'blowback' upon the American people with a catastrophic pandemic," Boyle said.
> 
>  
> 
> He went on to say the Pentagon and Central Intelligence Agency(CIA) are "ready, willing, and able to launch biowarfare when it suits their interests?They have a super-weapons-grade anthrax that they already used against us in October, 2001."
> 
>  
> 
> Boyle here was referring to the anthrax pathogens mailed to two U.S. Senators (Tom Daschle, of South Dakota and Patrick Leahy, of Vermont) and others after 9/11 that were traced back to the Government's biowarfare lab at Fort Detrick, Md.
> 
>  
> 
> Boyle's remarks came in response to written questions from Sherwood Ross, a Miami, Fla.-based columnist. Asked if the recent outbreaks of Ebola in Sierra Leone and Liberia could be from U.S. Government-backed facilities, Boyle replied: 
> 
>  
> 
> "These Ebola vaccines were experimental U.S. biowarfare vaccines that were being tested out in West Africa. It was a result of testing out of the U.S. biowarfare vaccines at our lab in Kenema, Sierra Leone, that created the West African Ebola pandemic in the first place." 
> 
>  
> 
> Boyle warned that the Galveston National Laboratory in Texas, a high-containment research lab, has been seeking for potential biowarfare agents in the wild in other parts of the world "in order to turn them into biological weapons."
> 
>  
> 
> He said, "They should shut down Galveston as an ongoing criminal enterprise along the lines of the S.S. and the Gestapo -- except that Galveston is far more dangerous to humanity than Hitler's death squads ever were." 
> 
>  
> 
> Boyle added, "American universities have a long history of willingly permitting their research agenda, researchers, institutes, and laboratories to be co-opted, corrupted, and perverted by the the Pentagon and the C.I.A. into death science. These include Wisconsin, North Carolina, Boston U., Harvard, M.I.T., Tulane, University of Chicago, and my own University of Illinois, as well as many others."
> 
>  
> 
> (Sherwood Ross formerly reported for the Chicago Daily News and was a columnist for UPI (Magazines In Review) and Reuters (Workplace.)
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> BOYLE CHARGES U.S. GERM WARFARE
> 
> PROGRAM IS "CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE"
> 
>  
> 
> Q. AND A. WITH FRANCIS A. BOYLE ON BIOWARFARE
> 
>  
> 
> Francis A. Boyle is a leading American professor, practitioner and advocate of international law. He was responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 (BWATA), the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention. His BWATA was passed unanimously by both Houses of the United States Congress and signed into law by President George Bush Sr. The story is told in his book Biowarfare and Terrorism (Clarity Press: 2005). He served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International USA (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia-Herzegovina at the World Court. Professor Boyle teaches international law at the University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign. He holds a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political Science, both from Harvard University.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: To get some idea of the magnitude of U.S. biological warfare research involving deadly diseases now going forward, the Federal government is said to be funding 400 laboratories globally. These labs purportedly are concocting new strains of lethal microbes for which there is no cure. Right off the bat, I'd like to ask you, "Is this a criminal enterprise whose dimensions are being concealed from the American public?" 
> 
>  
> 
> A: Of course it is! Since September 11, 2001, we have spent somewhere in the area approaching $100 billion on biological warfare. Effectively we now have an Offensive Biological Warfare Industry in this country that violates the Biological Weapons Convention and my Biological Weapons Anti-terrorism Act of 1989. We have reconstructed the Offensive Biological Warfare Industry that we had deployed in this county before its prohibition by the Biological Weapons Convention of 1972 that was described by Sy Hersh in his groundbreaking expos? of it in his book Chemical & Biological Warfare: America?s Hidden Arsenal (Bobbs-Merrill: 1968). Our putative adversaries around the world such as Russia and China have undoubtedly reached the same conclusions I have derived from the same open and public sources, and have responded in kind. So what the world now witnesses is an all-out offensive biological warfare arms race among the major military powers of the world: United States, Russia, Britain, France, China, Israel, inter alia. The Biological Weapons Convention has become the proverbial ?mere scrap of paper.? But my BWATA still remains the law of the land in the United States with a penalty of life-in-prison for violators. That is why the self-styled ?synthetic biologists? proposed to repeal my BWATA so that they can use Synthetic Biology to manufacture new classes of biological weapons more efficiently.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Exactly what is biowarfare?
> 
>  
> 
> A: Biological warfare involves the use of living organisms for military purposes. Such weapons can be viral, bacterial, and fungal, among other forms, and can be spread over a large geographic terrain by wind, water, insect, animal, or human transmission. Toxins---living organisms such as fungi---are also used.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Which are the most dangerous?
> 
>  
> 
> A: Today several U.S.G. labs are at work on Anthrax, Tularemia, Plague, Ebola, Botulism, and the genocidal Spanish Flu virus. 
> 
>  
> 
> Q: What do they do with these pathogens?
> 
>  
> 
> A: Using DNA genetic engineering, U.S. death scientists are concocting new strains of lethal microbes for which there are no cures. Bacteria, for example, can be made resistant to vaccines, made more virulent, easier to spread, and harder to eradicate. Right now U.S. death scientists are scouring the biosphere around the world to locate any bioagent in nature that they can exploit and pervert into offensive biowarfare purposes.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: USA Today has done some fine reporting on this subject. Among other things, their reporters have exposed massive incidents of lax security conditions at U.S.G. labs and university labs funded by U.S.G. What might the consequences be of this disregard for safety?
> 
>  
> 
> A: This is a biocatastrophe waiting to happen here in the United States. In fact it has already happened in West Africa with the Ebola pandemic there. It is only a matter of time before we have a similar pandemic at home here caused by U.S. biowarfare programs. In this regard you should watch the excellent award-winning documentary by Coen & Nadler entitled Anthrax-War (Transformer Films: 2009) in which I appear and served as a consultant on.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Recently, 13 cases of plague were reported in Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, New Mexico, Oregon and Utah, resulting in three deaths. Could these deadly plague pathogens (infectious agents) have come from the U.S. government's (U.S.G.) germ warfare labs? 
> 
>  
> 
> A: I suspect they might have. But proving it is another matter. Any time you see some mysterious and widespread outbreak of an exotic disease around the country, you have to factor into the analytical explanatory equation that it could be the result of some illegal U.S. biowarfare program.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Is it a fact, as alleged, that the Anthrax pathogens mailed to two U.S. Senators and others after 9/11 trace back to the U.S.G. biowarfare lab at Ft. Detrick, Md.? You have written that Senators Daschle and Leahy, both Democrats, had opposed the Patriot Act, which gives U.S.G. unprecedented powers and abolishes Americans' traditional personal liberties. If the Anthrax was sent by the Pentagon, was it to intimidate the Senators?
> 
>  
> 
> A: Yes! I have written about this in my book Biowarfare and Terrorism (Clarity Press: 2005). More recently my friend and colleague Professor Graeme MacQueen from McMaster University in Canada has also written about this in his book The 2001 Anthrax Deception (Clarity Press: 2014). You are free to read these two books, draw your own conclusions, and see if you agree with us. Over the years there are numerous interviews I have given on this matter that you can obtain by Googling my name and adding the word ?anthrax? to their search engine. The twin purposes of these October 2001 anthrax attacks were (1) to scaremonger the American People and Congress into adopting the totalitarian and Orwellian USA Patriot Act and (2) to wage an offensive war of aggression against Iraq. As President George Bush Jr. proudly boasted: ?Mission accomplished!? -- on both counts.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Recently, there have been outbreaks of Ebola in Sierra Leone and Liberia. You have raised the possibility that U.S.G. may be illegally experimenting with these diseases on citizens of those African nations. Could you please elaborate?
> 
>  
> 
> A: These Ebola vaccines were experimental U.S. biowarfare vaccines that were being tested out in West Africa. It was a result of testing out of the U.S. biowarfare vaccines at our lab in Kenema, Sierra Leone, that created the West African Ebola pandemic in the first place. I have given numerous interviews to support my conclusion here in more detail. These can be located by Googling my name and adding the word ?Ebola? to their search engine.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Is such germ warfare development work illegal under the BWC Treaty of 1972? (Dr. Boyle was the American attorney who wrote the implementing legislation for the U.S. that passed Congress without a single negative vote.)
> 
>  
> 
> A: Yes. The U.S. is a party to the 1972 Biological and Toxic Weapons Convention which bans "development, production, stockpiling and use of microbes or their poisonous products except in amounts necessary for protective and peaceful research?" Colonel David Huxsoll, Commander of the Army's Medical Institute of Infectious Diseases, has admitted that offensive research is indistinguishable from defensive research. 
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Although Russia said it scrapped its germ warfare program after the Communists lost power in 1991, the U.S. budget for this purpose has increased. Are there any countries or terrorist groups that might realistically attack the U.S. with such weapons? One critic has said .U.S.G.'s biowarfare push resembles "a dog chasing its own tail."
> 
>  
> 
> A: The truth of the matter is that the United States government has been pursuing the development of an offensive biowarfare program and industry since the Reagan administration and his Neoconservatives came to power in 1981. I set forth this earlier biowarfare documentation on Reagan and his Neo-Cons in my previous book The Future of International Law and American Foreign Policy (Transnational Publishers Inc.: 1989), Chapter 8, ?The Legal Distortions Behind the Reagan Administration?s Chemical and Biological Warfare Buildup.? Interestingly enough, the Department of Defense itself reprinted my study as Current News: Special Edition: CHEMICAL WEAPONS, NO. 1586 (28 May 1987) and distributed it to thousands of high-level D.O.D. civilian and military officials all over the world.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: It sounds fantastic, I know, but scientists once paid by the U.S.G. to cure cancer are now being paid to develop deadlier strains of anthrax, dengue, Japanese encephalitis, tularemia, Q fever, and other dread diseases. Comment? 
> 
>  
> 
> A: On the relationship between cancer research and bioweapons you should have a look at the book by Dr. Len Horowitz, Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola ? Nature, Accident, or Intentional? (Tetrahedron Inc. 1996).
> 
>  
> 
> Q: You have written that Dr. Yoshihiro Kawaoka's group at the University of Wisconsin has found a way to increase the toxicity of flu virus by 200 times. What is the purpose of this horrible-sounding research and why should U.W. support it?
> 
>  
> 
> A: This is the same U.S. death scientist who resurrected the genocidal Spanish Flu virus for the Pentagon for offensive biowarfare purposes. Like all U.S. universities, Bucky Badger U. gets a cut out of all research funds brought in from the outside. Here at Chief Illiniwak University they publicly admitted that they take 51 cents out of every research $1 Buck brought in from the outside and charge it off to ?overhead.? At most American Universities today, money talks and principles walk. My Disalma Mater Harvard is no better, no worse, and no different.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: During the 1980-88 Iraq-Iran war, the Reagan White House okayed the Pentagon's sale of weapons-specific biological agents and poison gas to Iraq that Saddam Hussein used against Iran and his own Kurdish minority? At least 5,000 Kurds were gassed. And, according to Time magazine of Jan. 20, 2014, the CIA reckoned Iran suffered 50,000 deaths. Doesn't this prove the White House has used biological agents offensively? 
> 
>  
> 
> A: Certainly chemical weapons were used illegally. In addition, the Reagan administration shipped weapons-specific biowarfare agents to Saddam Hussein in Iraq in the hope and expectation that he would weaponize them and use them against Iran. He did weaponize them. So far I have not seen evidence that he used bioweapons against Iran or the Kurds. But these biowarfare weapons that Saddam Hussein produced thanks to Reagan and his Neo-Cons did ?blowback? upon U.S. armed forces when they invaded Iraq in 1991. This ?blowback? played a causative role in the Gulf War Syndrome that afflicted U.S. soldiers who participated in Gulf War I under President Bush Sr. I discuss this in my book Destroying World Order (Clarity Press: 2004) and in the British TV documentary The Dirty War (1993) produced by and shown on Britain?s Independent Television Network TV4 that I consulted on and appear in.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: You have pointed out that the Galveston National Laboratory in Texas, a high-containment research lab, admits to seeking for potential biowarfare agents in the wild in other parts of the world "in order to turn them into biological weapons."
> 
>  
> 
> A: Right! They should shut down Galveston as an ongoing criminal enterprise along the lines of the S.S. and the Gestapo -- except that Galveston is far more dangerous to humanity than Hitler's death squads ever were. They say their work with Ebola is for a vaccine, but the same technology can also be weaponized. Galveston is working to aerosolize Ebola just as Ft. Detrick worked to aerosolize Anthrax. Aerosolization of a biowarfare agent is always the tip-off to the development of a weapon to be delivered by air to human beings who will breathe it in. Ft. Detrick should be shut down as well because it too is an ongoing criminal enterprise.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Besides Ft. Detrick and Galveston, are there any other biowarfare laboratories you believe should be closed?
> 
>  
> 
> A: All of them. Since 1981, the Pentagon has been gearing up to fight and ?win? biological warfare without prior public knowledge and review. What's more, American universities have a long history of willingly permitting their research agenda, researchers, institutes, and laboratories to be co-opted, corrupted, and perverted by the Pentagon and the C.I.A. into death science. These include Wisconsin, North Carolina, Boston U., Harvard, M.I.T., Tulane, University of Chicago, and my own University of Illinois as well as many others.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Biological warfare development requires highly sophisticated technology and safe laboratories. No so-called "terrorist" group is known to possess anything like the requisite facilities. Besides America, what countries have operative biowarfare labs? 
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>  
> 
> A: U.S., U.K., Russia, France, China, Israel, for sure. There are several other countries that the U.S. has established satellite biowarfare labs in.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Is there any published data on U.S.G.'s expenditures for biowarfare since 9/11? I assume it has taken off like other Pentagon outlays.
> 
>  
> 
> A: Yes, there are published figures on this in the open record. The last time I did a calculation from them the sum was approaching $100 billion. By comparison, in 2012 Dollars we spent $30 Billion on the Manhattan Project to develop the atom bombs that were then used to destroy Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You can see my book The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence (Clarity Press: 2002), Chapter 2, ?The Lessons of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.? So that historical precedent and analogy is a pretty good indication that the U.S. Offensive Biowarfare Industry is intended for use on human beings somewhere. The momentum behind the money propels inexorably towards use of the weapons.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Does the recent Pentagon mail-out of live anthrax virus to 86 laboratories here and to 7 nations abroad, bear out your prior criticism of U.S.G.'s careless handling of these pathogens?
> 
>  
> 
> A: Of course. But I don?t believe there was anything ?careless? or ?accidental? about any of this. The Pentagon knows exactly what they are doing. They are not ?incompetent? at the Pentagon. This was deliberate. Just like the anthrax attacks of October 2001 were deliberate.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: You contend that the American pharmaceutical industry and the World Health Organization (WHO) are dumping dangerous vaccines in West Africa where the publics are already suffering from Ebola. Why would WHO get involved in this? Can you elaborate?
> 
>  
> 
> A: First, to make money. WHO is a front organization for BIG PHARMA. Second, to reduce the numbers of Black West Africans -- genocide.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: It's been estimated that 36,000 Americans are dying every year from flu. By contrast, only five Americans died from an Anthrax attack and that was back in 2001. Yet, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in 2006, a typical fiscal year, received only $120 million from Congress to fight flu but $1.76 billion for "biodefense"? 
> 
>  
> 
> A: Right! These distorted budgetary allocations demonstrate that the priority here is not the promotion of the Public Health of American citizens but rather to further develop the U.S. Offensive Biowarfare Industry that will someday ?blowback? upon the American People with a catastrophic pandemic.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Scientists who oppose the Pentagon's activity insist that germ-warfare defense is clearly impractical; that every person would have to be vaccinated against every harmful biological agent. Since that likely is clearly impossible isn't the only application of a defensive development in conjunction with offensive use?
> 
>  
> 
> A: We are currently stockpiling vaccines to immunize our Civilian and Military Leadership Elites for if and when they decide to wage offensive biowarfare. Pace the Constitution, ?We the People of the United States? will have to fend for ourselves as best we can with our grossly underfunded and inadequate public health services that have been deliberately starved of money in order to feed the U.S. Offensive Biowarfare Industry Beast.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Recently, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter told a St. Louis audience of government employees, "You're some of the nation's most innovative and inventive physicists, chemists, and geneticists?molecular biologists," etc. Yes, indeed. How many employees does the Pentagon now have in germ warfare work and how much is it costing the American people?
> 
>  
> 
> A: Overall I have read a figure that there about 13,000 death scientists in America today doing dirty biowarfare work who perversely call themselves ?life scientists.? Doctor Mengele would be proud of them all! As Doctor Strangelove said: ?Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!? Seventy years after World War II ended the Nazis have won.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Given all of the above, does it appear conceivable to you the Pentagon is developing a massive germ warfare weapon as a means of intimidating the world? After all, it has positioned itself in about 900 bases around the globe from which it can, and does, strike using conventional weapons, and it has used illegal radioactive ammunition in its war against Iraq.
> 
>  
> 
> A: Of course. But not just intimidation. The Pentagon and the C.I.A. are ready, willing, and able to launch biowarfare when it suits their interests. They already attacked the American People and Congress and disabled our Republic with super-weapons-grade anthrax in October 2001. A fortiori they will do so again to foreign states and peoples when deemed convenient. Us too! They have a stockpile of that super-weapons-grade anthrax that they already used against us in October 2001.
> 
>  
> 
> Q: Thank you, Professor Francis Boyle.
> 
>  
> 
> A: Thanks so much for doing this interview.
> 
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> Francis A. Boyle
> Law Building
> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
> Champaign IL 61820 USA
> 217-333-7954 (phone)
> 217-244-1478 (fax)
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Sat Mar  7 15:44:53 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 09:44:53 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: I can't attend today's demonstration - can
 anyone take the signs?
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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>
> Subject: I can't attend today's demonstration - can anyone take the signs?
> Date: March 7, 2020 at 9:36:42 AM CST
> To: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>, James Manrique <james.manrique at gmail.com>
> Cc: Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>
> 
> Unfortunately I can't attend today's AWARE demonstration, though it's a fine day for it.
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> If I leave a bag of signs on our front step at 1108 Foley in Champaign, can anyone pick them up?

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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sat Mar  7 18:39:06 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 18:39:06 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords  030720
Message-ID: <CH2PR11MB434440C2B00A6B625D5DADBB8CE00@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics

simple-minded, metaphysics, fatuous

sim?ple-mind?ed or sim?ple?mind?ed (s?m?p?l-m?n?d?d)  adj.
1. Lacking in subtlety or sophistication; artless or naive: a simple-minded horror movie; simple-minded generalizations.
2. Stupid or silly; foolish.
3. Offensive Intellectually disabled.

1. lacking in mental acuteness or sense.
2. artless or unsophisticated.  [1735?45]

metaphysics
	My simple-minded, nontechnical definition:
all talk about things (objects, entities) that are invisible & intangible (cannot be seen or touched):  abstractions such as thoughts, beliefs, motives, intentions, meanings, numbers, souls, spirits, gods, essences, truth, reality, tendencies, causes, patterns, structures, potentialities, etc.  
// Literally, ?beyond the Physics,? the title given to Aristotle?s treatise on his theory of Nature.  
> 	Note that I only suggest appropriate caution in dealing with these elusive abstract entities & do not mean complete disapproval or rejection.  It seems impossible for people to think or reason effectively without them.  ~ RSz. 
? metaphysical  (adjective)
Beyond measurement ; transcendent; supersensible.
Those who rail against it do so for the most practical reason: They have not mastered its use.  They strive for metaphysical formulations to justify their hidden little secret (sloth and fear).  
? William F. Buckley Jr., The Lexicon (Harcourt, 1996), p. 97.  

>  Now do you see how contemptible you are, according to the late Mr. Buckley, if you ?rail against? anything metaphysical? Is that your shameful, hidden little secret?  Have you done that lately?  Confess! ~ RSz. 

fat?u?ous ?(f?ch?o?o-?s)  adj.
Foolish or silly, especially in a smug or self-satisfied way: "an era of delicious, fatuous optimism shaped by the belief that enough good will on the part of people like ourselves could repair anything" (Shirley Abbott). See Synonyms at foolish.  [From Latin fatuus.]
//   adj  complacently or inanely foolish
[C17: from Latin fatuus; related to fatiscere to gape]

	   *	*   *

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sat Mar  7 18:39:06 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 18:39:06 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords  030720
Message-ID: <CH2PR11MB434440C2B00A6B625D5DADBB8CE00@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

A review of some terms useful in political analysis & polemics

simple-minded, metaphysics, fatuous

sim?ple-mind?ed or sim?ple?mind?ed (s?m?p?l-m?n?d?d)  adj.
1. Lacking in subtlety or sophistication; artless or naive: a simple-minded horror movie; simple-minded generalizations.
2. Stupid or silly; foolish.
3. Offensive Intellectually disabled.

1. lacking in mental acuteness or sense.
2. artless or unsophisticated.  [1735?45]

metaphysics
	My simple-minded, nontechnical definition:
all talk about things (objects, entities) that are invisible & intangible (cannot be seen or touched):  abstractions such as thoughts, beliefs, motives, intentions, meanings, numbers, souls, spirits, gods, essences, truth, reality, tendencies, causes, patterns, structures, potentialities, etc.  
// Literally, ?beyond the Physics,? the title given to Aristotle?s treatise on his theory of Nature.  
> 	Note that I only suggest appropriate caution in dealing with these elusive abstract entities & do not mean complete disapproval or rejection.  It seems impossible for people to think or reason effectively without them.  ~ RSz. 
? metaphysical  (adjective)
Beyond measurement ; transcendent; supersensible.
Those who rail against it do so for the most practical reason: They have not mastered its use.  They strive for metaphysical formulations to justify their hidden little secret (sloth and fear).  
? William F. Buckley Jr., The Lexicon (Harcourt, 1996), p. 97.  

>  Now do you see how contemptible you are, according to the late Mr. Buckley, if you ?rail against? anything metaphysical? Is that your shameful, hidden little secret?  Have you done that lately?  Confess! ~ RSz. 

fat?u?ous ?(f?ch?o?o-?s)  adj.
Foolish or silly, especially in a smug or self-satisfied way: "an era of delicious, fatuous optimism shaped by the belief that enough good will on the part of people like ourselves could repair anything" (Shirley Abbott). See Synonyms at foolish.  [From Latin fatuus.]
//   adj  complacently or inanely foolish
[C17: from Latin fatuus; related to fatiscere to gape]

	   *	*   *

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Sat Mar  7 23:07:14 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 17:07:14 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE demo
Message-ID: <5A442A51-0F94-423E-BDF9-9A6FB970A297@newsfromneptune.com>

ANTIWAR DEMO, SAT. 7 MAR., DOWNTOWN CHAMPAIGN

Doug and his flag, JM & the signs (in spite of a balky car), and three (desperately young!) PSL friends of Karen's joined a few grizzled AWAREists for today's regular demonstration to a surprisingly large crowd (because of the 'Unoffical' celebrations at the Little University Down the Street).

Thanks to all who came out. See you the first Saturday in April inshallah (unless all US troops are home).

?CGE

From brussel at illinois.edu  Sun Mar  8 04:12:52 2020
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 04:12:52 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Leveller
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR11MB43449377F3BF6FE1FE4602048CE00@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR11MB43449377F3BF6FE1FE4602048CE00@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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The New Yorker piece goes on to nitpick Piketty?s formulation? as one might expect.

> On Mar 6, 2020, at 11:23 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Thomas Piketty Goes Global
> Now that the celebrity economist?s boldest ideas have been adopted by mainstream politicians, he has an even more provocative vision for transcending capitalism and overcoming our ?inequality regime.?
> By Idrees Kahloon  [ U.S. policy correspondent for The Economist ]
> New Yorker   March 9, 2020  [Blindfolded Donald Trump on the cover, pages 75-78]  
> 
> Speaking in 1918, with Europe ravaged by the horrors of modern warfare and Russia in the hands of the Bolsheviks, Irving Fisher warned his colleagues at the annual meeting of the American Economic Association of ?a great peril.? That peril, which risked ?perverting the democracy for which we have just been fighting,? was extreme inequality. ?We may be sure that there will be a bitter struggle over the distribution of wealth,? Fisher, perhaps the most celebrated economist of his day, maintained. More than a century later?at another annual meeting of the American Economic Association?the spectre once more loomed over the discipline. ?American capitalism and democracy are not working for people without a college degree,? Anne Case, an economist at Princeton, declared in January, as she flipped through slides in a large, windowless conference room. On a screen, charts showed breathtaking increases in suicide, drug overdoses, and alcoholism among less-educated whites over the past two decades. These ?deaths of despair,? as she and her husband-collaborator, Angus Deaton, call them, originated in the deep unfairness of American society. When Fisher issued his warning, the richest ten per cent of Americans were taking home forty-one per cent of all domestic income. Today, they take forty-eight per cent.
> 
> If inequality has become the subject of intense public attention, a good deal of the credit goes to the French economist Thomas Piketty. In 2014, ?Capital in the Twenty-first Century,? a dense tome published in English by an academic press, became an unlikely global best-seller; there are more than two million copies in print. Previously, Piketty, who teaches at the Paris School of Economics, had been an academic luminary but not a public one; the focus of his research, inequality, had long been a niche subject. Timing and talent catapulted him to fame. His book perfectly fit the post-Occupy Wall Street ethos, providing empirical rigor for the upswell in anger. The wounds of the Great Recession had hardly scabbed over; disillusionment with the rich and powerful verged on Jacobinism. The moment was ripe for a grand, iconoclastic theory, and that?s exactly what Piketty provided, with detailed figures and lucid prose. In earlier work, he and a frequent collaborator, the economist Emmanuel Saez, had the innovative idea of framing inequality in terms of the top one per cent?s share versus everyone else?s?eschewing the discipline?s usual formula of Gini coefficients, which are meaningless to the masses, and identifying a clear, common enemy. The problem was inherent in capitalism itself. Over the past century, the rate of return on capital (r) and existing wealth, owned disproportionately by the rich, had exceeded the rate of growth in the economy (g) as a whole. That had created a chasm of inequality comparable to what existed during the Gilded Age, before the gilding was removed by two cataclysmic world wars and the Great Depression. You could distill the core of Piketty?s theory down to three characters (r > g) and emblazon the formula on a T-shirt?something that nerdier subgroups of the population actually did.   
>   . . .   [ continues ]
> 
> < ? snip ?  >
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Sun Mar  8 04:12:52 2020
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 04:12:52 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Leveller
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR11MB43449377F3BF6FE1FE4602048CE00@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR11MB43449377F3BF6FE1FE4602048CE00@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <89A933DD-EC25-4C4B-ACFF-52561366D2F6@illinois.edu>

The New Yorker piece goes on to nitpick Piketty?s formulation? as one might expect.

> On Mar 6, 2020, at 11:23 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Thomas Piketty Goes Global
> Now that the celebrity economist?s boldest ideas have been adopted by mainstream politicians, he has an even more provocative vision for transcending capitalism and overcoming our ?inequality regime.?
> By Idrees Kahloon  [ U.S. policy correspondent for The Economist ]
> New Yorker   March 9, 2020  [Blindfolded Donald Trump on the cover, pages 75-78]  
> 
> Speaking in 1918, with Europe ravaged by the horrors of modern warfare and Russia in the hands of the Bolsheviks, Irving Fisher warned his colleagues at the annual meeting of the American Economic Association of ?a great peril.? That peril, which risked ?perverting the democracy for which we have just been fighting,? was extreme inequality. ?We may be sure that there will be a bitter struggle over the distribution of wealth,? Fisher, perhaps the most celebrated economist of his day, maintained. More than a century later?at another annual meeting of the American Economic Association?the spectre once more loomed over the discipline. ?American capitalism and democracy are not working for people without a college degree,? Anne Case, an economist at Princeton, declared in January, as she flipped through slides in a large, windowless conference room. On a screen, charts showed breathtaking increases in suicide, drug overdoses, and alcoholism among less-educated whites over the past two decades. These ?deaths of despair,? as she and her husband-collaborator, Angus Deaton, call them, originated in the deep unfairness of American society. When Fisher issued his warning, the richest ten per cent of Americans were taking home forty-one per cent of all domestic income. Today, they take forty-eight per cent.
> 
> If inequality has become the subject of intense public attention, a good deal of the credit goes to the French economist Thomas Piketty. In 2014, ?Capital in the Twenty-first Century,? a dense tome published in English by an academic press, became an unlikely global best-seller; there are more than two million copies in print. Previously, Piketty, who teaches at the Paris School of Economics, had been an academic luminary but not a public one; the focus of his research, inequality, had long been a niche subject. Timing and talent catapulted him to fame. His book perfectly fit the post-Occupy Wall Street ethos, providing empirical rigor for the upswell in anger. The wounds of the Great Recession had hardly scabbed over; disillusionment with the rich and powerful verged on Jacobinism. The moment was ripe for a grand, iconoclastic theory, and that?s exactly what Piketty provided, with detailed figures and lucid prose. In earlier work, he and a frequent collaborator, the economist Emmanuel Saez, had the innovative idea of framing inequality in terms of the top one per cent?s share versus everyone else?s?eschewing the discipline?s usual formula of Gini coefficients, which are meaningless to the masses, and identifying a clear, common enemy. The problem was inherent in capitalism itself. Over the past century, the rate of return on capital (r) and existing wealth, owned disproportionately by the rich, had exceeded the rate of growth in the economy (g) as a whole. That had created a chasm of inequality comparable to what existed during the Gilded Age, before the gilding was removed by two cataclysmic world wars and the Great Depression. You could distill the core of Piketty?s theory down to three characters (r > g) and emblazon the formula on a T-shirt?something that nerdier subgroups of the population actually did.   
>   . . .   [ continues ]
> 
> < ? snip ?  >
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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 15:00:37 2020
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 10:00:37 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Team_Biden_floats_Emirati_ally_Mich?=
	=?utf-8?q?=C3=A8le_Flournoy_as_SecDef?=
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNT-YvH=bXWi5moTvHaYsKS-47NaF6uLU2CLjENFY-Cmgw@mail.gmail.com>
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In case there were previously any doubt, now we know for sure exactly what
kind of "normal" Team Biden has in mind for their "Return to Normal."

Think we'd need the War Powers Resolution in a Biden Administration? *You
betcha.* Which means we'd need Con Res WPR to be good law in the House. How
much do you suppose Pelosi and Hoyer would help us challenge Biden as POTUS
on war powers? Here's a wild guess: about as much as they helped us
challenge Obama on war powers. It's not like they're straining themselves
to help us now. Even now, it's pulling teeth to get these people to do
anything at all. Imagine how hard it would be if Biden were POTUS to get
House Dem leadership to do anything.

Congress should keep working those War Powers muscles with the goal of
making them stronger than they are now. We need them now, stronger, on the
Saudi war in Yemen. It is extremely likely that we would need them much
more in a Biden Administration than many Democrats now imagine.

Joe Biden's secret governing plan
Adios
Jim VandeHei, Mike Allen
https://www.axios.com/joe-biden-cabinet-vice-president-picks-b17882ac-3953-450f-8afb-38a3c8dcda57.html

Joe Biden confidants are privately discussing potential leaders and Cabinet
members for his White House, including the need to name a woman or African
American ? perhaps both ? as vice president, top sources tell "Axios on
HBO."

*Why it matters: *Biden advisers describe a Return to Normal plan ? a
reversal of President Trump's unorthodox, improvisational style. Biden
wants known, trusted people around him ? many from the Obama years.

[...]

*Mich?le Flournoy,* an Obama undersecretary of defense, would be the
favorite to run Biden's Pentagon.

[...]
=====

*This is Mich?le Flournoy**: *

HACKED EMAILS SHOW UAE BUILDING CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH D.C. THINK TANKS
THAT PUSH ITS AGENDA
Zaid Jilani, Alex Emmons
July 30 2017, 8:27 a.m.
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/30/uae-yousef-otaiba-cnas-american-progress-michele-flournoy-drone/

THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES has one of the most repressive governments in the
world. The Gulf dictatorship brutally cracks down
<https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/united-arab-emirates>
on
internal dissent and enables abusive conditions
<https://www.state.gov/j/tip/rls/tiprpt/countries/2016/258886.htm> for its
massive migrant labor force. It also plays a key role in the bloody war in
Yemen, running a network of torture prisons
<https://apnews.com/4925f7f0fa654853bd6f2f57174179fe> in the ?liberated?
parts of the country.

That makes it all the more shocking that the UAE is so rarely criticized by
leading U.S. think tanks, who not only ignore the Gulf
dictatorship?s repression, but give a privileged platform
<https://theintercept.com/2016/10/26/at-hillary-clintons-favorite-think-tank-a-doubling-down-on-anti-iran-pro-saudi-policy/>
to
its ambassador, Yousef al-Otaiba. Otaiba is a deeply influential voice in
U.S. foreign policy circles, and is known in Washington for using his
pocketbook <http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/his-town/> to
recruit allies.

Last month, hackers began releasing screenshots of emails from a Hotmail
account that Otaiba used for official business.

[...]

The latest batch of hacked emails passed to The Intercept and other outlets
by ?GlobalLeaks? provide insight into how Otaiba manages to find ? or buy ?
so many friends in D.C. think tanks. The documents offer a glimpse into how
a small, oil-rich monarchy can obtain such an outsized influence on U.S.
foreign policy, showing the ambassador obtaining favors from Obama
administration veterans ? including Hillary Clinton?s presumptive Defense
Secretary ? and making large payments in return.

A $250,000 Invoice

One of the documents obtained by The Intercept was an invoice from the
Center for New American Security, an influential national security think
tank founded in 2007 by alumni from the Clinton administration. The
invoice, dated July 12, 2016, billed the UAE embassy $250,000 for a paper
on the legal regime governing the export of military-grade drones. It was
signed by Michele Flournoy, a senior Pentagon official under President
Barack Obama; Hillary Clinton was widely expected to name Flournoy as her
secretary of defense. Flournoy co-founded CNAS and, in addition to outside
work as a management consultant, currently serves as the think tank?s CEO.

Think tanks are independent institutions, but they are often funded by
weapons companies, Wall Street banks, and even foreign governments. CNAS is
transparent about the fact they have received money from the UAE, and even
list the country?s embassy on website
<https://www.cnas.org/support-cnas/cnas-supporters> as a donor. These
institutions, including CNAS, often assert
<https://www.brookings.edu/about-us/brookings-policies-on-independence-and-integrity/>
that
their scholars are independent of their donors, and that their analysis
reflects their personal beliefs, not the interest of powerful donors.

The invoice, however, as well as emails obtained by The Intercept, portray
a different picture: a close relationship between CNAS and Otaiba, with
Otaiba paying for specific papers and discussing the views in the papers
with the authors. Otaiba later explained to those responsible for creating
the policy papers how the documents would be used to push the UAE?s drone
program.

In its description field, the invoice reports that the payment was made
for ?Support for the Center?s Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR)
Study.? The MTCR <https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/mtcr> refers to a
35-nation agreement that governs the export of certain large military-grade
weapons. Countries can apply for membership in the MTCR and become eligible
to buy these weapons. The MTCR has been a headache
<https://www.defensenews.com/2017/03/21/uncertainty-at-state-department-holding-up-new-agreement-on-armed-drones/>
for
the drone industry because some of its products are classified as missiles,
which makes them more difficult to export. The agreement has also irritated
U.S. allies, who would love to get their hands on sophisticated, American
attack drones.

The UAE is one of the countries that ran into a roadblock in the MTCR. The
Obama administration blocked
<http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/17/politics/congress-sales-drones-jordan-uae-trump/index.html>
the
sales of some weapon systems to the Emirates because the MTCR prohibits
their sale beyond close allies. Some lawmakers have pushed the Trump
administration to allow for the sales.

Part of the campaign to allow the UAE to buy these drones has involved
think tank work. According to emails obtained by The Intercept, Otaiba
commissioned a private paper on the MTCR from CNAS. In a June 24,
2016, email to Otaiba, Flournoy wrote, ?Yousef: Here is the CNAS proposal
for a project analyzing the potential benefits and costs of the UAE joining
the MTCR, as we discussed. Please let us know whether this is what you had
in mind.?

On July 11, Flournoy followed up with Otaiba, writing, ?We believe the
study could be done for $250K. We are happy to send you a revised proposal
along those lines this week if that is acceptable.? In a November 2016
email to Otaiba, Ilan Goldenberg, the director of CNAS?s middle east
security program, was blunt about the UAE?s support for the think tank?s
MTCR work. ?One administrative item,? he noted. ?We?d initially agreed that
you would provide the second tranche of your financial support for the
project when we are at the midpoint, which I think is about now. So I will
have someone from our development team send you bank details/invoice over
the next few days.?

Goldenberg is an Obama administration veteran who led the Office of the
Under-Secretary of Defense for Policy?s work on Iran. He currently serves
as a senior fellow at CNAS.

In February of this year, Goldenberg sent the MTCR study to Otaiba by
email. Otaiba circulated it to some high-level officials in the UAE
government and military. In May, Otaiba sent an email to Flournoy and
Goldenberg praising the study ? and for its utility in moving the Gulf
dictatorship?s agenda forward. ?And thank you for the report,? he wrote. ?I
think it will help push the debate in the right direction. Some of the UAV?
? unmanned aerial vehicles ? ?manufacturers are pushing for a similar
conclusion, so this report might reaffirm their arguments.?

In June, CNAS produced a public paper
<http://drones.cnas.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/CNASReport-DroneProliferation-Final.pdf>
echoing
the same conclusions, arguing that the United States?s ?reluctance to
transfer U.S. drones harms U.S. interests in tangible ways.? Namely, the
public report asserted that some countries are now turning to China to get
the technology instead. The Emirates is listed as one of those countries
that has been denied some drone sales, and has instead turned to China. The
stated goal of the paper was to push the Trump administration on the policy.

[...]

In another series of emails dated between February and March 2013, Flournoy
uses a private gmail account to contact Otaiba and ask him to help promote
the sale of electronic surveillance technology from a U.S.-based firm to
the UAE.

The UAE government is a voracious consumer
<https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/15/bae-mass-surveillance-technology-repressive-regimes>
of
surveillance technology, and has repeatedly bought up electronic spying
tools from Western countries to spy on political dissidents
<https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mg7pjy/ahmed-mansoor-million-dollar-dissident-government-spyware>.
In October, The Intercept reported
<https://theintercept.com/2016/10/24/darkmatter-united-arab-emirates-spies-for-hire/>
that
the UAE is recruiting a small army of Western hackers, who are helping to
turn the Emirates into the world?s most sophisticated surveillance state.

In a February 2013 email to Otaiba, Flournoy expresses dismay that du, a
major Emirati telecom company, chose not to purchase location-based
services technology from Polaris Wireless, a company that specializes
tracking electronic devices. On its website
<http://www.polariswireless.com/wireless-location-services-national-security/>,
Polaris advertises ?wireless location intelligence? that can be used in
?locating and tracking known suspects,? ?detecting and monitoring crowds,?
and allowing users to ?stay ahead of those who pose a threat.? Polaris
Wireless has an office <http://www.tradearabia.com/news/DEF_218073.html> in
Dubai. In 2012 its CEO credited sales in the region
<http://www.tradearabia.com/news/DEF_218073.html> with a growth in revenue.

Flournoy told Otaiba that she is ?most interested in seeing the UAE have
this capability as a key security partner.? She asked him to intervene with
the ministry of interior and help set up a meeting for a senior executive
with Polaris.

[...]

Nicholas McGeehan, Human Rights Watch?s researcher for the UAE, told The
Intercept by email that activists in the country are convinced the
government is using electronic surveillance to track them. ?When we were
last able to get into the UAE ? in January 2014 ? the local activists we
met were leaving their mobile phones at home whenever they traveled, and
didn?t want the authorities to know where they were going,? McGeehan said.
?They were confident that the authorities were using their mobile phones to
track them.?

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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Thu Mar 12 12:50:29 2020
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 07:50:29 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] FYI
Message-ID: <002401d5f86c$cfcb6ef0$6f624cd0$@comcast.net>

This was posted on a list serve I am on. I thought I would share it to see
what everyone thinks.

 

David J.

 

 

Gene, i think you're mostly right but I believe the decision about Biden's
role, and the how the DNC gang coalesced so successfully on Super Tuesday
indicates that none of you has yet mentioned the main puller of DNC strings
and the main benefactor of a brokered convention. Here's my take and a
little about why.:Personally I don't think Joe is the chosen one. I believe
his job was to blunt Bernie's momentum at this stage to prevent a first or
second round win at the convention. Then he'll become a sacrificial offering
at the altar of Hillary who i believe has been running the show, She;ll have
a good argument to make, She beat Trump by THREE MILLION popular votes but
tripped over her own arrogance and sense of entitlement and acted like the
electoral college didn't exist. 

Trump's team played the electoral college extremely well. She can make the
argument that if she wins by half as many popular votes as last time but
pays more attention to the electoral votes, she'll be president. I don't
think that's necessarily a correct conclusion but its good argument. 

The narrative was that Biden won in states where he didn't even spend any
money, That may be true - or not - but SOMEONE spent a lot of money for
Super Tuesday to happen the way it did, And we know Hillary's planning for
Super Tuesday began at least as far back as the first planning stages of her
four part documentary produced by HULU. Great strategy. The film was a
vehicle to every talk show on every major outlet ostensibly to push the film
but allowing her to launch one-sided attacks on Bernie because in that
context there wasn't any requirement for a chance for Bernie to respond. And
the networks didn't care. 

The rollout for the premiere (after a special showing at Sundance) had her
on TV screens immediately before Tuesday and on Tuesday as well. There she
was on Good Morning America on Super Tuesday morning going after Bernie with
abandon. And she was brutal. The film is "reintroducing Hillary to America"
over four weekly parts. It will probably be re-aired in June. She's not
stopping till she's president or dead. That same morning while I was looking
for something on YouTube a half-screen size ad came on my flat screen that
said "Medicare for All will double your income tax". It was sponsored by a
phony front org. I'm sure that wasn't the only place it was seen. Someone -
maybe Uncle Bloomberg or may be a superpac - was shelling out some big
bucks.

 

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From moboct1 at aim.com  Thu Mar 12 14:14:36 2020
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:14:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] FYI
In-Reply-To: <1046405140.4413795.1584019105218@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <002401d5f86c$cfcb6ef0$6f624cd0$@comcast.net>
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I've been saying this for some time now.? Hillary's?been lurking in the shadows waiting four years for her entry cue, though I think it would be difficult now?after Joe's recent "surge" to dismiss him easily in Milwaukee (although he's acting weird in public since he came alive after his South Carolina success)--unless offered VP? (again!).? Last Sunday morning I?momentarily tuned to an Illinois TV?interview (can't remember which) with?our junior Senator, Duckworth.??She replied nonverbally to the first question, about the Sanders campaign, with?a disgustingly?boisterous?horselaugh, as if he were a joke.? She's a joke herself,?a?DCCC apparatchik.? Another sick joke was made?by News Gazette columnist Scott Reeder last Sunday suggesting as running mate to Biden, Rep. Sheri Bustos, Congressman from Moline, Illinois and chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.? In the same article Reeder quoted Hillary?as saying "she would 'love' to see a woman on the ticket"? probably meaning herself, but she stopped short of that suggestion.??After all she's?a youngster?at only 72-1/2?(9 months the junior of DJT) and?Biden at 77?barely a year younger than Bernie. ?Maybe?Hillary outlive them all.? Alas, youth is wasted on the young.

Midge

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Gene, i think you're mostly right but I believe the decision about Biden's role, and the how the DNC gang coalesced so successfully on Super Tuesday indicates that none of you has yet mentioned the main puller of DNC strings and the main benefactor of a brokered convention. Here's my take and a little about why.:Personally I don't think Joe is the chosen one. I believe his job was to blunt Bernie's momentum at this stage to prevent a first or second round win at the convention. Then he'll become a sacrificial offering at the altar of Hillary who i believe has been running the show, She;ll have a good argument to make, She beat Trump by THREE MILLION popular votes but tripped over her own arrogance and sense of entitlement and acted like the electoral college didn't exist. 

Trump's team played the electoral college extremely well. She can make the argument that if she wins by half as many popular votes as last time but pays more attention to the electoral votes, she'll be president. I don't think that's necessarily a correct conclusion but its good argument. 

The narrative was that Biden won in states where he didn't even spend any money, That may be true - or not - but SOMEONE spent a lot of money for Super Tuesday to happen the way it did, And we know Hillary's planning for Super Tuesday began at least as far back as the first planning stages of her four part documentary produced by HULU. Great strategy. The film was a vehicle to every talk show on every major outlet ostensibly to push the film but allowing her to launch one-sided attacks on Bernie because in that context there wasn't any requirement for a chance for Bernie to respond. And the networks didn't care. 

The rollout for the premiere (after a special showing at Sundance) had her on TV screens immediately before Tuesday and on Tuesday as well. There she was on Good Morning America on Super Tuesday morning going after Bernie with abandon. And she was brutal. The film is "reintroducing Hillary to America" over four weekly parts. It will probably be re-aired in June. She's not stopping till she's president or dead. That same morning while I was looking for something on YouTube a half-screen size ad came on my flat screen that said "Medicare for All will double your income tax". It was sponsored by a phony front org. I'm sure that wasn't the only place it was seen. Someone - maybe Uncle Bloomberg or may be a superpac - was shelling out some big bucks.

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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Thu Mar 12 15:35:00 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 10:35:00 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune, research
References: <1226edfb-0dbb-f615-4f16-d28472feb73c@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <75680105-2F66-4166-A570-4C824A5B2FD3@newsfromneptune.com>



Joe Biden giving a speech at one of his own rallies:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men-n-women created -- by the -- go
-- you know, you know the thing."

Your research on this is busy writing itself, almost faster than I can get it all down in notes like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbKfw8mojGc -- Matt Orfalea's latest video is an honest Joe Biden ad called 'Character' featuring some of Joe Biden's recent hits:

"I'm gonna wrap this chain around your head!" (Delaware 2017 speech where Biden "recounts nearly wrapping a chain around a gang leader named Corn Pop's head" according to https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/15/delaware-2017-joe-biden-recounts-wrapping-chain-gang-leader-corn-pop/ )

"Look, fat" (Biden referring to an older man during the 2020 POTUS race),

"Poor kids are just as bright as white kids" ("Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. raised eyebrows on Thursday during a speech in Iowa when he said that ?poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids?" according to the New York Times in https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/politics/joe-biden-poor-kids.html)

"I'm like the token black or the token woman",
"See, I went to the big guys for the money",
and "You run the risk of deciding whether or not you?re going to prostitute yourself to give the answer you know they want to hear in order to get funded to run for that office"  (arguing "in terms of getting funding from donors" according to the Daily Caller in https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/27/flashback-biden-token-black-token-woman/ 2 years into his first term as a Delaware Senator)

"You know, you know the thing" (see above, 2020 speech in front of supporters at Biden rally during POTUS race)

But if Orfalea had waited just one more week to make that fake campaign ad he could have added some more recent quips:

"You're full of shit" (Biden to a gun enthusiast union worker during the 2020 POTUS race),

"You're a damn liar" (Biden to an Iowan voter in the 2020 POTUS race),

And think of the fun Joe's wife Jill Biden offers! Here's a taste:

From https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/19/politics/jill-biden-joe-biden-beat-donald-trump/
Jill Biden: Your candidate might be better on, I don't know, health care, than Joe
is, but you've got to look at who's going to win this election. And maybe you have
to swallow a little bit and say, 'OK, I personally like so and so better,' but
your bottom line has to be that we have to beat Trump.
Just think of what's to come...and think of how none of these would be described as "gaffes" or merely "odd" & "rather unusual" (as Vox recently put it in https://www.vox.com/2020/2/10/21131327/biden-dog-faced-pony-soldier-new-hampshire when Vox tried to paper over how Biden told college student Madison Moore, "a young female voter [who asked] why voters should believe if he can win" at a New Hampshire campaign event. Biden asked Moore "You ever been to a caucus?" and Moore responded that she had, Biden responded "No you haven?t. You?re a lying dog-faced pony soldier."). If Trump said that, he'd be described in far worse terms and anyone using such lightweight criticism would be accused of co-signing Trump's needless aggression. We might get another chorus of how Trump was unfit for office due to the way he treated a woman.

Yet these quotes are all from former VP Biden who is currently the leading candidate in the Democratic Party primary (and certainly the preferred candidate by the neocons and neolibs).

How ironic is it that Biden's "gaffes" lowering him to Trump's level means all we have left to discuss are substantive issues like war & peace, healthcare, the climate, and how the economy serves the interests of the 1% and undermines the 99%? Whatever you do, don't look at the underlying system of what Chris Hedges rightly called "a one-choice election" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPOaLKj-pks).

Related:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB1UIE2WQy0 -- Jimmy Dore's excellent coverage exposing how Joe Biden lied on Lawrence O'Donnell's MSNBC show (to no objection from corporate stenographer O'Donnell, of course) about his support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Biden's lying is exposed via clips from a speech Biden gave (footage from C-SPAN), versus what Biden says now, via his recent MSNBC interview.

-JB Nicholson




From brussel at illinois.edu  Thu Mar 12 16:22:58 2020
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:22:58 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [HumanRights] Will humanity fail or rise to
 the challenge?
References: <CAHP_G4H6TnGbLK21_nsSTE1pWDD+p=Eb5FZfn_CtgkYeenTdQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBF3C577-4172-4D51-A0DE-69EDC959092B@illinois.edu>

Our old, wise friend Qumseyeh?

Begin forwarded message:

From: Mazin Qumsiyeh <mazin at qumsiyeh.org<mailto:mazin at qumsiyeh.org>>
Subject: [HumanRights] Will humanity fail or rise to the challenge?
Date: March 12, 2020 at 8:12:21 AM CDT
To: brussel at uiuc.edu<mailto:brussel at uiuc.edu>
Cc: Human Rights Newsletter <humanrights at lists.qumsiyeh.org<mailto:humanrights at lists.qumsiyeh.org>>

 Link at
http://popular-resistance.blogspot.com/2020/03/will-humanity-fail.html
Will humanity fail or rise to the challenge?

Obviously human beings are being tested: pandemics spreading around the
world (and after coronavirus, there will be others much more deadly), the
collapse of oil prices that led to financial market collapses, the climate
change (we have really 7 or 8 years left to make drastic changes in
lifestyle to avoid the irreversible damage), the technology gone rampant
and killings and nature (5G, chemical and biological weapons), the
accelerating risk of nuclear war, and much more.  How we deal with this as
individuals and communities is really existential. There are bad signs and
good signs. Let us give some examples of both and then of areas where we
could go either way). Please post other good and bad news in the comments
on this blog at
http://popular-resistance.blogspot.com/2020/03/will-humanity-fail.html

Example bad news first

1) Regarding Coronavirus, it has become officially a pandemic and the
failure of many governments to take it seriously will have catastrophic
consequences in those areas (like Italy and the US). Some governments are
using the pandemic as an excuse to increase repression and discrimination
instead of using it to bring peace with justice. The genocidal sanctions on
Iran for example has been tightened causing needless deaths of many.  And
even though Israeli cases are far more than Palestinian cases, restrictions
and blockade tightened in our ghettos/bantustans (our own apartheid regime)
and settlers are free to travel anywhere. Bethlehem is blockaded only for
its Palestinian residents not for the illegal Israeli colonial settlers
living here. Iran released tens of thousands of prisoners to protect them;
Israel brought in a sick doctor and cut services and stopped family visits
to the thousands of Palestinian political prisoners. The catastrophic
economic situation around the world impacts the most vulnerable
communities. Poverty will skyrocket and the billionaires will stay
billionaires! ?Israel? with all its money and resources (fleeced from us
and others) is focused on being anti-Palestinian instead of working to
better the lives of all its citizens including Palestinians. Greece and
Turkey play football with Syrian refugees and the genocide in Yemen is
ongoing and I shudder to think what would happen as the virus spreads in
such devasted countries like Syria, Yemen, and Libya.

2) The climate change catastrophic situation is not dealt with and the
political structures look like will not be changed. Because of cheating and
rigging to prevent Bernie Sanders from getting the democratic nomination
(driven mostly by Zionists), the choice in November will be to vote for one
xenophobic puppet and another (Trump vs Biden) or sit it out. Trump will
win (the power of incumbency and more money from Zionist billionaires) and
we will be run for four more years by a fumbling megalomaniac. In either
case the US will continue to topple governments that serve their people and
install puppets similar to the one they put in charge of Brazil who will
finish off the Amazon rainforest.

Good news:

1) In many locations, people quickly responded aggressively to the virus
and seem to have contained the situation including at the source of the
virus (Wuhan province in China) where new cases continue to decline.
Medical personnel around the world have been nothing less than heroes.
Among Palestinians we were pleasantly surprised by how serious it was taken
and every one of the 31 cases reported in the past few days has known
source and well controlled with hundreds observing the self-quarantine
(only two people did not and they are now forced to do so and maybe
penalized!). So many people are helping other people.  Other good news on
this front is the scientific development of simplified cheap tests and
quick progress on anti-viral cures.

2) Young people around the world are aware like never before. Part of it is
they understand increasingly how the system is rigged, that 99.9% of
politicians lie to them, and that their future cannot be left to
politicians. They take things into their own hands, mobilize, help fellow
human beings and are increasingly realizing that their future is at stake.
Extinction Rebellion is the fastest growing movement on our planet.

Now there are things that we cannot predict where they go yet. Will
decision makers do the right thing and learning from the past realize that
?business as usual? cannot go on and that they need to think of the
collective human interest? Will we learn that the horrors of World War I
and WWII were indeed repeated including actions of ethnic cleansing and
slow genocide even by some people claiming to be heirs to the victims of
similar atrocities? Will some countries use Israeli made drones to oppress
people & shut down borders to refugees or will they really work for peace
and justice instead of supporting repressive regimes like ?Saudi Arabia?
and ?Israel? who cause these problems? Will those who attended the large
AIPAC conference including congress people realize there is so much more
hard from that besides getting Coronavirus (four were infected and
mingling)? Will politicians put their personal financial and political
interests ahead of our (and their?s) children future? Will the world
(including our Arab countries and Palestine) remain run by mediocre people
focusing on their own narrow self-interest? Will Israeli society and global
Zionists continue to drift farther to the rights (racism, fascism etc)?

We did not learn from our history. As WWII was ending and Germany and Japan
were already defeated, the US fired the first two shots of the next war
with the Soviet Union (that is the Hiroshima and Nagazaki terror bombing).
Then we had Korea, Vietnam, Palestine and many many more atrocities against
peole to serve colonial and imperial powers. In the past they got away with
it. Today, this is existential to all humanity and as was said by a
prophetic voice: we either live together as fellow human beings or we
perish together as fools. When I said this to an audience in a recent talk
in Europe, they asked about probabilities: I said 20% and 80% but the
probability of 20% to survive as a species is getting smaller ? the window
of opportunity is closing. We must all reach deeper in our hearts and minds
(and soul if you believe) and summon our best to fight. It is the epic
struggle for our existence.

Gazan Girl Fighting Cancer Died After Israel Denied Her Parents? Visit. She
Won?t Be the Last
https://israelpalestinenews.org/gazan-girl-fighting-cancer-died-after-israel-denied-her-parents-visit/

Five things to know/do http://news.un.org/en/story/2020/03/1059261

Stay Human and come visit us in Palestine (at least after this is made
possible again)
and do stay safe

Mazin Qumsiyeh
A bedouin in cyberspace, a villager at home
Professor, Founder, and (volunteer) Director
Palestine Museum of Natural History
Palestine Institute of Biodiversity and Sustainability
Bethlehem University
Occupied Palestine
http://qumsiyeh.org
http://palestinenature.org
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Fri Mar 13 00:49:51 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:49:51 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Eremitism
Message-ID: <518C9B4F-94AA-4F0F-9A1B-891DFBD09E33@newsfromneptune.com>

Friends, 

Belonging to the category of those over 70 with questionable lungs, I?m taking up the life of a hermit for the near term.

I?m staying home and visiting online. My wife is well & willing to run necessary errands, although I?m urging her to adopt a version of my regimen.

I?m a bit embarrassed at the anti-social elements of my nature that mean I?m not suffering too much. 

My ghostly father once dedicated a (very good) book to ?Most of them in McDaid?s? (a Dublin bar): I feel that way about you.

?CGE   

"Hence will I to my ghostly father's cell,
His help to crave, and my dear hap to tell.? ?Romeo  
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Fri Mar 13 01:05:40 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:05:40 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] TULSI 2020
Message-ID: <99E40375-18F8-4A28-9DD8-435AF5C4EC2F@newsfromneptune.com>

https://news.tulsi2020.com/en/im-asking-for-your-help-today		


From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Fri Mar 13 01:43:07 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:43:07 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Comments on the March 17 primary
Message-ID: <BBF02297-C0E1-4496-9701-C1E387F9DCDE@newsfromneptune.com>

[Prepared for AWARE ON THE AIR by James Manrique]

...my quick picks of highlights:

on the Rep side
US Senate: Peggy is ok. But the local Reps don't really like any of the candidates, they say that they are all Dems in Rep clothing.
IL-15 (Rantoul & Mahomet & rural areas of Champaign County): Chuck Ellington is pretty solid. He actually has fairly good views in terms of the importance of improving healthcare (he doesn't support M4A, exactly, but he did make it a direct point to bring up how critically important it is to improve healthcare and make sure that people can get care when they need it rather than last minute)

on the Dem side
IL-15: They're all kinda whatever. Kevin Gaither is a perennial candidate that has soured some folks in the past. John Hursey is a total non-politician candidate, running mostly to say "there is always another option, and anyone can run" sorta angle. Craig Morton might be good. Erika Weaver may be a little corporate, not sure.

IL-13: No brainer, Stefanie Smith by a long measure. Betsy still refuses to even acknowledge M4A. Stefanie is rough around the edges, and her followers may include some rabble-rousing-radicals, but at least she is able to be a voice for "leftist" issues.

Circuit Judge: Ramona Sullivan, hands down. She is an active public defender, helping on the frontlines with some of the most disenfranchised citizens in our county. I'm not sure anyone could match that experience, in terms of compassion for the average or low-income person. I would very much avoid voting for Troy Lozar. He is a former prosecutor and is very much "tough on crime". Ruth Wyman can speak spanish fluently, which is an excellent trait for the bench, but she has a little bit of a questionable past, and her rating from the bar association wasn't great, the only candidate in this contest to get "Not Recommended". David Moore isn't too bad. Don't have a lot of negative to say about him, other than he isn't Ramona.

Circuit Clerk: No strong feelings. These are both excellent people, (Susan McGrath and Robert Burkhalter) and either one I'm sure would do a fine job. Susan does have a bit of a past in the local democrat party, but I don't think that past would at all impact her performance of this office. Robert also has a ton of experience in this office, and is really down to earth. They've both put in a lot of honest work for this spot. It really just comes down to personal preference.

County Board: It's very much "old guard" vs "young dems". CB6, I really liked that Charles Young called out the ways the young dems operate (very much like a clique, you are either in, or you are outcast). But honestly, DeShawn Williams might be a slightly better candidate overall. Hard to say. 
CB8. Again, I really like some instances in the past where Rosales has called out the young dems. But on the other hand, I'm not sure he's much better himself, and I'm not sure that he's got much done recently (in the candidate forums, many of his accomplishments seemed to come from the 1990s). Tho Emily is strongly in the "young dems" category, I still think change sends the message that the voters are willing to vote you out if you aren't getting enough done. So, I'd go with Emily on this.
CB9. Cynthia Fears refused to debate Jen Straub. That alone should be enough to tell you something. Jen is part of the young dems, but less deeply connected, and seems to be a more open & reachable candidate.
CB10. As with Charles & Rosales, I like that Connie Dillard-Myers publicly calls out the dems and their scheming ways. That is needed. But I'm not really sure Connie is that good at actually getting things done, or strong progressive values. Mary King is much like Jen, only loosely connected with the young-dem-establishment, and Mary seems like she has a lot of good ideas & visions for the county board.


-james.


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:07 AM C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
James?

I?m afraid I?m going to have to cancel tomorrow?s tv program (Friday 3/13 at noon).

If you?d like to write out some comments on the election, I?d love to post them to the AWARE email lists.

Sorry to have to do this. Thanks for your patience. ?CARL
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 13 02:19:57 2020
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:19:57 -0700
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Eremitism
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Carl & Friends

Good, a suggestion I too am taking up, not due to age, which we won?t reveal, but due to my asthmatic lungs which at the best of times leave me breathless, though never speechless. 

Like Leigh I make the supermarket runs frequently, not so much for myself but for the four critters in my house, who fail to understand a forgotten treat. 

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 17:49, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
> 
> Friends, 
> 
> Belonging to the category of those over 70 with questionable lungs, I?m taking up the life of a hermit for the near term.
> 
> I?m staying home and visiting online. My wife is well & willing to run necessary errands, although I?m urging her to adopt a version of my regimen.
> 
> I?m a bit embarrassed at the anti-social elements of my nature that mean I?m not suffering too much. 
> 
> My ghostly father once dedicated a (very good) book to ?Most of them in McDaid?s? (a Dublin bar): I feel that way about you.
> 
> ?CGE   
> 
> "Hence will I to my ghostly father's cell,
> His help to crave, and my dear hap to tell.? ?Romeo  

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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Mar 14 01:16:18 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 20:16:18 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Proving Bruce Dixon right,
 years after he wrote that Sen. Sanders was a "sheepdog" for the
 Democratic Party
Message-ID: <60b76661-9416-aba7-de7b-d09dcaef1b0a@forestfield.org>

The late Bruce Dixon in 
https://www.blackagendareport.com/bernie-sanders-sheepdog-4-hillary was correct. 
Change a few of the names in that essay and you've got a better explanation (offered 
well before Sanders supported Clinton's 2016 candidacy) than anything Jimmy Dore & 
co. offer in either of the following videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swg5PD0tvw -- Jimmy Dore & co. on a recording of 
Sen. Sanders being asked about the nonsensical things Sen. Joe Biden says during his 
run for POTUS (or Senator, according to an appearance Biden made).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVaNY4THm90 -- Jimmy Dore & co. on a Sanders 
interview with CNN's Jake Tapper where Sanders says "Biden can beat Trump" and that 
if Biden is the nominee Sanders will help Biden do that.

Jimmy Dore & co. barely get into explaining what's really going on. They talk about 
Sanders' campaign choices as if they think that Sanders ran to win. I disagree. That 
party continues to be part of the problem and there's virtually no point to 
distinguishing it from the other major corporate party because the Democrats & 
Republicans work together to continue a neoliberal and neoconservative agenda 
(pushing for permanent government ends).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BVDZELQ370 -- Lee Camp interviewing Chris Hedges on 
the elections & the economy.

Sanders' campaign exists to draw people into the Democratic Party (hence 'sheepdog'). 
The Democrats would rather lose to Trump than win with Sanders (as Hedges rightly 
says in the aforementioned interview, the 1% might prefer Biden but they can live 
with Trump).

I'm convinced that even if Sanders somehow won he'd face the same problems as Trump 
and be useless to the public overall, never accomplishing the relatively mild set of 
agenda items with which he associates himself (Medicare for All, for instance). I 
don't see that the public (which likes him, would vote him into office, and likes 
Medicare for All) would stand behind him on Medicare for All by voting out any 
Congressperson who opposed those ideas or weakened extant Medicare for All 
legislation. Sanders won't work to do other things we need including ending wars, 
bringing troops/contractors & weapons home, establishing a Universal Basic Income, or 
establishing a National Jobs Program (all parts of why Sanders is no threat to 
establishment power).

From brussel at illinois.edu  Sat Mar 14 01:50:31 2020
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 01:50:31 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Proving Bruce Dixon right,
 years after he wrote that Sen. Sanders was a "sheepdog" for the
 Democratic Party
In-Reply-To: <60b76661-9416-aba7-de7b-d09dcaef1b0a@forestfield.org>
References: <60b76661-9416-aba7-de7b-d09dcaef1b0a@forestfield.org>
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The question is: What do people do in the present situation, people like me. Vote Green?  

You appear to be certain about what a Sanders could (not) do if elected. I do not have that certainty, and I retain some ?hope? that he could move things more forward, more justice and empathy, more consideration of the environment and global climate effects, than to have a Trump triumph, the likely outcome if Biden were to become the Dem nominee. 

Another thought: The power brokers of the Dem establishment, may well know that Biden would be a disaster for the party's chances in the election and will arrange for somebody else to take his place. Otherwise, one can cynically believe that they don?t care what happens to their party, as you seem to suggest, not unhappy with a renewed Trump presidency.

A pretty dreadful state of affairs. I?d take my chances, with all the valid criticisms of him, to Sanders. A lesser apocalypse.

Perhaps the economy or the coronavirus will render its judgements. 

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:16 PM, J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> The late Bruce Dixon in https://www.blackagendareport.com/bernie-sanders-sheepdog-4-hillary was correct. Change a few of the names in that essay and you've got a better explanation (offered well before Sanders supported Clinton's 2016 candidacy) than anything Jimmy Dore & co. offer in either of the following videos:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swg5PD0tvw -- Jimmy Dore & co. on a recording of Sen. Sanders being asked about the nonsensical things Sen. Joe Biden says during his run for POTUS (or Senator, according to an appearance Biden made).
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVaNY4THm90 -- Jimmy Dore & co. on a Sanders interview with CNN's Jake Tapper where Sanders says "Biden can beat Trump" and that if Biden is the nominee Sanders will help Biden do that.
> 
> Jimmy Dore & co. barely get into explaining what's really going on. They talk about Sanders' campaign choices as if they think that Sanders ran to win. I disagree. That party continues to be part of the problem and there's virtually no point to distinguishing it from the other major corporate party because the Democrats & Republicans work together to continue a neoliberal and neoconservative agenda (pushing for permanent government ends).
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BVDZELQ370 -- Lee Camp interviewing Chris Hedges on the elections & the economy.
> 
> Sanders' campaign exists to draw people into the Democratic Party (hence 'sheepdog'). The Democrats would rather lose to Trump than win with Sanders (as Hedges rightly says in the aforementioned interview, the 1% might prefer Biden but they can live with Trump).
> 
> I'm convinced that even if Sanders somehow won he'd face the same problems as Trump and be useless to the public overall, never accomplishing the relatively mild set of agenda items with which he associates himself (Medicare for All, for instance). I don't see that the public (which likes him, would vote him into office, and likes Medicare for All) would stand behind him on Medicare for All by voting out any Congressperson who opposed those ideas or weakened extant Medicare for All legislation. Sanders won't work to do other things we need including ending wars, bringing troops/contractors & weapons home, establishing a Universal Basic Income, or establishing a National Jobs Program (all parts of why Sanders is no threat to establishment power).
> _______________________________________________
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Sat Mar 14 13:41:35 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 08:41:35 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Proving Bruce Dixon right,
 years after he wrote that Sen. Sanders was a "sheepdog" for the
 Democratic Party
In-Reply-To: <E9F55D92-E3FB-4595-B75F-405368CA5B88@illinois.edu>
References: <60b76661-9416-aba7-de7b-d09dcaef1b0a@forestfield.org>
 <E9F55D92-E3FB-4595-B75F-405368CA5B88@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <00E11DB8-3B8F-4E91-92BF-A16DA561018D@newsfromneptune.com>

I think this is right, as things stand.

If the presidential election does become Biden vs. Trump, there will be time to discuss what if anything can be done.

In the meantime, ?social distance? (which has taken on a new meaning) is the watchword. 

(The Atlantic may be good for something, mirabile dictu: 

<https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-what-does-social-distancing-mean/607927/>.)


?CGE


> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:50 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> The question is: What do people do in the present situation, people like me. Vote Green?  
> 
> You appear to be certain about what a Sanders could (not) do if elected. I do not have that certainty, and I retain some ?hope? that he could move things more forward, more justice and empathy, more consideration of the environment and global climate effects, than to have a Trump triumph, the likely outcome if Biden were to become the Dem nominee. 
> 
> Another thought: The power brokers of the Dem establishment, may well know that Biden would be a disaster for the party's chances in the election and will arrange for somebody else to take his place. Otherwise, one can cynically believe that they don?t care what happens to their party, as you seem to suggest, not unhappy with a renewed Trump presidency.
> 
> A pretty dreadful state of affairs. I?d take my chances, with all the valid criticisms of him, to Sanders. A lesser apocalypse.
> 
> Perhaps the economy or the coronavirus will render its judgements. 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:16 PM, J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> The late Bruce Dixon in https://www.blackagendareport.com/bernie-sanders-sheepdog-4-hillary was correct. Change a few of the names in that essay and you've got a better explanation (offered well before Sanders supported Clinton's 2016 candidacy) than anything Jimmy Dore & co. offer in either of the following videos:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swg5PD0tvw -- Jimmy Dore & co. on a recording of Sen. Sanders being asked about the nonsensical things Sen. Joe Biden says during his run for POTUS (or Senator, according to an appearance Biden made).
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVaNY4THm90 -- Jimmy Dore & co. on a Sanders interview with CNN's Jake Tapper where Sanders says "Biden can beat Trump" and that if Biden is the nominee Sanders will help Biden do that.
>> 
>> Jimmy Dore & co. barely get into explaining what's really going on. They talk about Sanders' campaign choices as if they think that Sanders ran to win. I disagree. That party continues to be part of the problem and there's virtually no point to distinguishing it from the other major corporate party because the Democrats & Republicans work together to continue a neoliberal and neoconservative agenda (pushing for permanent government ends).
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BVDZELQ370 -- Lee Camp interviewing Chris Hedges on the elections & the economy.
>> 
>> Sanders' campaign exists to draw people into the Democratic Party (hence 'sheepdog'). The Democrats would rather lose to Trump than win with Sanders (as Hedges rightly says in the aforementioned interview, the 1% might prefer Biden but they can live with Trump).
>> 
>> I'm convinced that even if Sanders somehow won he'd face the same problems as Trump and be useless to the public overall, never accomplishing the relatively mild set of agenda items with which he associates himself (Medicare for All, for instance). I don't see that the public (which likes him, would vote him into office, and likes Medicare for All) would stand behind him on Medicare for All by voting out any Congressperson who opposed those ideas or weakened extant Medicare for All legislation. Sanders won't work to do other things we need including ending wars, bringing troops/contractors & weapons home, establishing a Universal Basic Income, or establishing a National Jobs Program (all parts of why Sanders is no threat to establishment power).
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
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> 
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From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Sat Mar 14 13:53:05 2020
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 08:53:05 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] No World Labor Hour Today March 14th
Message-ID: <002201d5fa07$e3b2f950$ab18ebf0$@comcast.net>

No World Labor Hour Today March 14th.

 

The IMC sent out a notice that they want to cancel any and all events /
programs at the IMC because of the Corona virus.

 

With only 32 cases in Illinois ( all in Chicago metro area ) and 12 in
Indiana ( mostly in Indianapolis ), I personally think many people are
freaking out about nothing, however, I guess it is not a bad idea to take
precautions.

 

David J. 

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From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 14:20:19 2020
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 14:20:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] No World Labor Hour Today March 14th
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The IMC announcement doesn't mean that nobody should go to WRFU! It's not a lockdown, certainly not yet. You're welcome to decide as you like, but anyone with a WRFU show who still wishes to do it should go ahead.

The bigger risk is for larger gatherings.

I don't think it's crazy to be avoiding gatherings at this point. Testing has been so sparse (as was ordered by the Trump admin) that there are probably undetected cases locally. So avoiding close contacts will slow their spread - even if much of the local population eventually gets the new virus, the game is to keep lots of us from all getting it at once.


Mar 14, 2020 8:53:24 AM David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>:

> 
> No World Labor Hour Today March 14 th .
> 
> 
> 
> The IMC sent out a notice that they want to cancel any and all events / programs at the IMC because of the Corona virus.
> 
> 
> 
> With only 32 cases in Illinois ( all in Chicago metro area ) and 12 in Indiana ( mostly in Indianapolis ), I personally think many people are freaking out about nothing, however, I guess it is not a bad idea to take precautions.
> 
> 
> 
> David J.
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Mar 14 20:01:08 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:01:08 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Proving Bruce Dixon right,
 years after he wrote that Sen. Sanders was a "sheepdog" for the
 Democratic Party
In-Reply-To: <E9F55D92-E3FB-4595-B75F-405368CA5B88@illinois.edu>
References: <60b76661-9416-aba7-de7b-d09dcaef1b0a@forestfield.org>
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Brussel, Morton K wrote:
> The question is: What do people do in the present situation, people like me. Vote
> Green?

That's one option. In the 2016 general election the biggest bloc of registered voters 
chose a different path -- they didn't vote for POTUS. I suspect that's because the 
candidate choice they saw was between two neocons & neolibs, and most registered 
voters didn't bother checking out third parties or independent candidates and weren't 
going to put effort into voting for a complete unknown. In Illinois, I think it's a 
safe bet that the state's electoral votes will go to the Democrat regardless of who 
that is.

So I conclude that if you vote for POTUS in the general election at all, voting 
Democrat is a wasted vote and voting for either major party candidate is supporting a 
neocon & neolib. Picking which one is slightly better (lesser evilism) is part of 
what got us to where we are and (as Jimmy Dore & co. discuss in 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qaf7nhPbYA) that means you're going to end up with 
worse candidates in future elections.

If you can't say no to voting Democrat you'll give Democrats no reason to care about 
your interests. Take it from Lawrence O'Donnell in "An Unreasonable Man" from 2016 
(see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqRNnIMDkUY which includes the movie edit 
featuring William Greider as well). O'Donnell used to say reasonable things but now 
does MSNBC puff piece interviews with Biden where O'Donnell never challenges Biden's 
false claims.

So I recommend not looking on elections as all that big of a deal; political 
organizing and action the rest of the year matter more.

As for voting the Green Party nominee in the general election: I'll need some more 
time to review the Green Party primary candidates. Last I knew, Howie Hawkins was 
running in the Green Party primary. I wouldn't vote for Howie Hawkins because he's a 
Russiagator (per https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xZZTlzThTo) but that still leaves 
plenty of other choices (per 
https://ballotpedia.org/Green_Party_presidential_nomination,_2020). Among the 
problems with Russiagate is that Russiagate support is a clear sign of someone who 
either isn't thinking critically about Russiagate claims and their backing, or that 
person is virtue signaling to the establishment that they're trustworthy. Either way, 
that's bad news for American & Russian public (insofar as Russiagate narrative is 
used to justify anti-Russian sanctions, Russiagate is also a cause for war because 
sanctions are war).

Sadly, Sanders' support for Russiagate 
(https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2020-March/052018.html where I 
supply a transcript and point to a video) is another of his bad campaign choices that 
lead me to believe his campaign is not to be taken seriously.

> You appear to be certain about what a Sanders could (not) do if elected. I do not
> have that certainty, and I retain some ?hope? that he could move things more
> forward, more justice and empathy, more consideration of the environment and
> global climate effects, than to have a Trump triumph, the likely outcome if Biden
> were to become the Dem nominee.

Sanders told "Meet the Press" in 2016 that he's down with the US drone war (he's said 
nothing since to contradict that view), and in 2019 he repeated CIA talking points on 
the Venezuelan coup attempts on Twitter 
(https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1099380342018912257). The US military is a big 
polluter. Sanders' foreign policy doesn't challenge the continuity of policy. Hence 
Sanders' foreign policy is not laudable on grounds of murder, cost, and being 
anti-ecological. In this election he doesn't do half the educating about the critical 
connection between foreign policy and domestic policy that Tulsi Gabbard does in 
virtually every interview (see Tucker Carlson, Jimmy Dore, and Joe Rogan's interviews).

As for hoping that Sanders "could move things more forward, more justice and 
empathy": Those are fine goals but I see Sanders repeatedly call Biden "his good 
friend", and recently Sanders told CNN's Jake Tapper that "Joe [Biden] can beat Trump 
and if Joe is the candidate I'll do everything I can to make sure that he does" (see 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVaNY4THm90 for footage of this CNN interview and 
Jimmy Dore's take on that). I don't think that these are choices consistent with 
running a campaign to win. This talk sows doubt in my mind that Sanders would stand 
up for my interests should he become the next POTUS. Bruce Dixon's BAR article fits 
available evidence as to why Sanders would say stuff like that.

Who really controls the Democratic Party nominee: If what Bruce Spiva, speaking in 
his official capacity as DNC lawyer, told a court (I quoted him in 
https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2020-February/051938.html) then 
the consequences of his statement tell me a lot about who really chooses the DNC 
standards bearer: DNC elites make that choice and not the primary participants. Put 
more bluntly, those who 'vote' in the DNC corporation primaries aren't really 
choosing a representative for that corporation like they think they are, they're 
(perhaps unwittingly) participating in political theater set up to give the 
impression that the DNC cares what the Democratic Party supporters think about their 
candidates. I have no evidence to question Spiva's take on this.

I doubt that the DNC would let Sanders represent that party and I believe Sanders 
will continue to do more to keep his numbers below Biden's, and therefore you won't 
get the chance to vote for Sanders in the general election.

From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Mar 14 20:18:24 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:18:24 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Coronavirus_propaganda=3F_WaPo_claims_?=
 =?utf-8?q?=22Coronavirus_burial_pits_so_vast_they=E2=80=99re_visible_from?=
 =?utf-8?q?_space=22_but_is_it_true=3F?=
Message-ID: <8f04f7c8-16f2-79ec-d624-78cb5db25ea1@forestfield.org>

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/iran-coronavirus-outbreak-graves/
https://archive.md/UICsd -- time-stamped archive of WaPo piece in case of 
unavailability or change.
Rebuttal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riwLBie2fIA -- RT interview with Prof. Marandi.

Multiple news outlets (including Washington Post) claim something like what WaPo 
said. But is it true?

> Prof. Mohammad Marandi, Univ. of Tehran: No, this is propaganda. Unfortunately not
> only have Western countries not only have they been continuing their propaganda
> that's been going on for decades during, but they've been continuing it,
> continuing this propaganda, during the rise of Coronavirus in Iran, but also the
> Persian language outlets -- BBC Persian, Deutsche Velle Persian, VOA [Voice of
> America] Persian, Iran International which is a Saudi channel -- and other
> channels which have been funded or owned by Western channels or the Saudis,
> they're carrying out psychological warfare day and night against Iranians to
> create fear, they use misinformation, they use video clips that are unverified or
> distorted, and it's really disturbing.

From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Mar 14 20:27:58 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:27:58 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] 
 =?utf-8?q?Coronavirus_propaganda=3F_WaPo_claims_?=
 =?utf-8?q?=22Coronavirus_burial_pits_so_vast_they=E2=80=99re_visible_from?=
 =?utf-8?q?_space=22_but_is_it_true=3F?=
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I wrote:
> Prof. Mohammad Marandi, Univ. of Tehran: No, this is propaganda. [...]

Correcting transcription errors:

> Prof. Mohammad Marandi, Univ. of Tehran: No, this is propaganda. Unfortunately
> Western countries not only have they been continuing their anti-Iranian propaganda
> that's been going on for decades during, but they've been continuing it,
> continuing this propaganda, during the rise of the Coronavirus in Iran, but also
> the Persian language outlets ? BBC Persian, Deutsche Welle Persian, VOA [Voice of
> America] Persian, Iran International which is a Saudi channel ? and other channels
> which have been owned or funded by Western channels or the Saudis, they're
> carrying out psychological warfare day and night against Iranians to create fear,
> they use misinformation, they use video clips that are unverified or distorted,
> and it's really disturbing. [...]

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Sun Mar 15 21:38:07 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 16:38:07 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Reading About the Black Death with My Daughter
 Amid the Outbreak
References: <DA93ECB1.5D8E5%lizburbank@zipcon.net>
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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Liz Burbank <lizburbank at zipcon.net>
> Subject: Reading About the Black Death with My Daughter Amid the Outbreak
> Date: March 15, 2020 at 4:31:13 PM CDT
> To: Liz Burbank <lizburbank at zipcon.net>
> 
>    NUDGE
> The New Yorker is making its news coverage and analysis of the coronavirus outbreak available for free to all readers. Read our stories here.
> Reading About the Black Death with My Daughter Amid the Outbreak
> By Sam Knight A child?s fascination with the fourteenth-century scourge takes a sobering tone as Britain scrambles to stave off a new catastrophe.An illustration of a people throwing bodies in to boats on a canal during the Black Plague....
> https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-uk/reading-about-the-black-death-with-my-daughter-during-the-coronavirus- <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.newyorker.com_news_letter-2Dfrom-2Dthe-2Duk_reading-2Dabout-2Dthe-2Dblack-2Ddeath-2Dwith-2Dmy-2Ddaughter-2Dduring-2Dthe-2Dcoronavirus-2D&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=9nBs68fuZkm9SxuM0qWvyy5RgYAjxip_5nBeCna20YY&e=>
> 
> *Update, 13 February, 12:15 p.m.: WHO spokesperson has updated with information in story below, published 12 February
> Update: 'A bit chaotic.' Christening of new coronavirus and ... Science
> 2/12/20 <https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/bit-chaotic-christening-new-coronavirus-and-its-disease-name-create-confusion <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.sciencemag.org_news_2020_02_bit-2Dchaotic-2Dchristening-2Dnew-2Dcoronavirus-2Dand-2Dits-2Ddisease-2Dname-2Dcreate-2Dconfusion&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=GkmuM3eySBbQaKijwO2E47jbW8kSacOMiG6_mUFKoyE&e=>> 
> expert group says novel coronavirus, now named SARS-CoV-2, ... COVID-19 is a name for the disease, not for the virus that causes it, ..
> WHO says Europe now epicentre of pandemic
> <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00154-w <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nature.com_articles_d41586-2D020-2D00154-2Dw&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=NeEndkY3epx2Pj29YNXnOGqtTW-x2FdFBMp2nlOu-vo&e=>>  
> 2 days ago ... Europe now become the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic, says the ... The bill will provide more than $3 billion to the Centers for Disease Control and ... Other funding will contribute to the global coronavirus response and provide ... between the 104 strains of the coronavirus, named SARS-CoV-2, .
> 
> 
> ... Expert reaction to WHO say COVID-19 can be characterised as a ... coronavirus: classifying 2019-nCoV and naming it SARS-CoV-2 ..
> 1 day ago ... 13 March 2020 Edition ? COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2 Latest Articles, Guidelines, News & Perspectives. ... Rapid risk assessment: Novel coronavirus disease<https:// <https://>linksmedicus.com/news/novel-coronavirus-latest-articles-09-february-2020/> 
> medRxiv preprint doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__doi.org_10.1101_2020.03.09.20033217&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=WDEoczOC6bc9haJ-6AaNvhJuOntMeBfoWZXYyUph0ro&e=>. The copyright holder for this preprint (which was not peer-reviewed) is the author/funder, who has granted medRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity. This article is a US Government work .
> This research was supported by the Intramural Research Program of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institutes of Health (NIH). JOL-S and AG were supported by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency DARPA PREEMPT # D18AC00031, and JOL-S was supported by U.S. National Science Foundation (DEB-1557022) Strategic Environmental Research and  Development Program (SERDP, RC 2635) of the U.S. Department of Defense.
> Here, we show the stability of HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1 under experimental  circumstances tested is similar. Taken together, our results indicate aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 are plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to.....  
> 
> Estimation of COVID-2019 burden and potential for international dissemination of infection from Iran
> <https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.24.20027375v1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.medrxiv.org_content_10.1101_2020.02.24.20027375v1&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=5rdWxQBgyHc56zqWysbKERWkaD0C-0VAEprcx9Z7up8&e=>> doi: https:// <https://>doi.org/10.1101/2020.02.24.20027375
> 
> 
> *Update, 13 February, 12:15 p.m.: WHO spokesperson has updated with information in story below, published 12 February
> Update: 'A bit chaotic.' Christening of new coronavirus and ... Science
> 2/12/20 <https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/bit-chaotic-christening-new-coronavirus-and-its-disease-name-create-confusion <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.sciencemag.org_news_2020_02_bit-2Dchaotic-2Dchristening-2Dnew-2Dcoronavirus-2Dand-2Dits-2Ddisease-2Dname-2Dcreate-2Dconfusion&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=GkmuM3eySBbQaKijwO2E47jbW8kSacOMiG6_mUFKoyE&e=>> 
> expert group says novel coronavirus, now named SARS-CoV-2, ... COVID-19 is a name for the disease, not for the virus that causes it, ..
> WHO says Europe now epicentre of pandemic
> <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00154-w <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nature.com_articles_d41586-2D020-2D00154-2Dw&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=NeEndkY3epx2Pj29YNXnOGqtTW-x2FdFBMp2nlOu-vo&e=>>  
> 2 days ago ... Europe now become the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic, says the ... The bill will provide more than $3 billion to the Centers for Disease Control and ... Other funding will contribute to the global coronavirus response and provide ... between the 104 strains of the coronavirus, named SARS-CoV-2, .
> 
> 
> ... Expert reaction to WHO say COVID-19 can be characterised as a ... coronavirus: classifying 2019-nCoV and naming it SARS-CoV-2 ..
> 1 day ago ... 13 March 2020 Edition ? COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2 Latest Articles, Guidelines, News & Perspectives. ... Rapid risk assessment: Novel coronavirus disease<https:// <https://>linksmedicus.com/news/novel-coronavirus-latest-articles-09-february-2020/> 
> medRxiv preprint doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__doi.org_10.1101_2020.03.09.20033217&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=WDEoczOC6bc9haJ-6AaNvhJuOntMeBfoWZXYyUph0ro&e=>. The copyright holder for this preprint (which was not peer-reviewed) is the author/funder, who has granted medRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity. This article is a US Government work .
> This research was supported by the Intramural Research Program of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institutes of Health (NIH). JOL-S and AG were supported by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency DARPA PREEMPT # D18AC00031, and JOL-S was supported by U.S. National Science Foundation (DEB-1557022) and Strategic Environmental Research and  Development Program (SERDP, RC 2635) of U.S. Department of Defense.
> Here, we show the stability of HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1 under experimental  circumstances tested is similar. Taken together, our results indicate aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 are plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to.....  
> 
> What is the Nudge Unit doing on coronavirus? 
> <http://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=What%20is%20the%20Nudge%20Unit%20doing%20on%20coronavirus%3F%20 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__twitter.com_intent_tweet-3Ftext-3DWhat-2520is-2520the-2520Nudge-2520Unit-2520doing-2520on-2520coronavirus-253F-2520&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=hV27N0A6pY6-MPQDdZ7bs8Il68qMMP-sScfBf4ymvpg&e=>> 
> The Nudge Unit is working closely with the Department of Health and Social Care in crafting the government response <https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/covid-19-government-plan <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk_explainer_covid-2D19-2Dgovernment-2Dplan&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=8uVapjGMxqrfh4cl5TT3w133Jsomyo3DaE-5eGzP38c&e=>> . The most visible manifestation of its influence to date is in the communication around hand-washing and face touching ? in particular the use of ?disgust? as an incentive to wash hands and the suggestion of singing Happy Birthday to ensure hands are washed for the requisite 20 seconds. But it also seems to be influencing the more controversial question over when to move from ?contain? to ?delay? phasing. This is based on evidence about duration of compliance.
> MINDSPACE Influencing behaviour through public policy
> 
> 
>> 3 MIN VIDEO CASS SUNSTEIN, NUDGES GRADUATE TO LIBERALISING FASCIST PSYCHIATRIST INFLUENCER
>> WGBH News   https://www.wgbh.org/news/2018/02/27/news/can-it-happen-here-essayists-trump-signs-authoritarianism-america <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.wgbh.org_news_2018_02_27_news_can-2Dit-2Dhappen-2Dhere-2Dessayists-2Dtrump-2Dsigns-2Dauthoritarianism-2Damerica&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=0UdUBSWt8NoEBw3jW8EFuI2DqadMvDxnai0nfFr1RGk&e=>
>> February 27, 2018   Greater Boston <https://www.wgbh.org/news/greater-boston <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.wgbh.org_news_greater-2Dboston&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=ciDcb7gw_eZbQcrHmxanO8ciINaqb31IfL4QfUXdyas&e=>>
>> Could authoritarianism take hold in America? Cass Sunstein, a Harvard professor and former Obama administration official, said he thinks it?s ?highly improbable? our democracy would reach that point, but that our country remains vulnerable.
>> The question is the centerpiece of a new book edited by Sunstein titled, ?Can It Happen Here? Authoritarianism in America,? a collection of essays by some of the nation?s leading theorists, historians, and thinkers.  Among them is Martha Minow, former dean of Harvard Law School, who joined Sunstein Tuesday for an interview here on Greater Boston ?When Cass asked me to participate, I jumped at the chance because of the issues that have arisen since the election and during the campaign,? Minow said.
> Sunstein, Obama White House Office Administrator of Information and Regulatory Affairs, said the book is not explicitly about President Donald Trump, but instead highlights the ?occasional vulnerability? that some of our institutions face. Much of the conversation focused on the erosion of trust in the free press and the state of the judiciary ? both of which have been criticized by Trump.... 
> 
> Dr Jos? Delgado. Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School
> Congressional Record, No. 26, Vol. 118 February 24, 1974. 
> "We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.".... 
> 
> 
> 
> ... suffer crippled epistemology, in accordance with which it is rational to hold such theories... the best response consists in cognitive infiltration.
> CASS SUNSTEIN: OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ?INFO CZAR?
> COGNITIVE INFILTRATION fascist behavioral psychology ?NUDGES? mental health for new world order
> This brief essay offers a general introduction to the idea of nudging...most important ?nudges?..,to create some separate ?behavioral insights unit?conducting its research, or rely on existing institutions. Keywords: nudges, behavioral science, freedom of choice, behavioral insights team...
> Former Chicago and Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein,... 2008 co-authored a plan for the government to prevent the spread of anti-government "conspiracy theories," in which he advocated use of anonymous government agent "cognitive infiltration" to break them up,,,  in 2009 was appointed by President Barack Obama to direct an important executive....
> (?information czar?}.... Griffin uses both satire and overwhelming evidence... Griffin author over 30 books, professor of philosophy of religion and theology emeritus,Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate University, CA
> Cognitive Infiltration: Obama Appointee Plan...<https://books.google.com/books?No <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__books.google.com_books-3FNo&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=4h9Txys5TAhopG9pNnWtLfd_Xnb6OmxJvlSQrQNcDzw&e=> preview available - 2011
> 
> Abstract
> Many millions of people hold conspiracy theories; they believe powerful people have worked together to withhold the truth about some important practice or some terrible event. A recent example is the belief, widespread in some parts of the world, that the attacks of 9/11 were carried out not by Al Qaeda, but by Israel or the United States. Those who subscribe to conspiracy theories may create serious risks, including risks of violence, and the existence of such theories raises significant challenges for policy and law. The first challenge is to understand the mechanisms by which conspiracy theories prosper; the second challenge is to understand how such theories might be undermined. Such theories typically spread as a result of identifiable cognitive blunders, operating in conjunction with informational and reputational influences. A distinctive feature of conspiracy theories is their self-sealing quality not likely to be persuaded by attempt to dispel their theories;  may even characterize that very attempt as further proof of the conspiracy. Because those who hold conspiracy theories typically suffer from a crippled epistemology, in accordance with which it is rational to hold such theories, the best response consists in cognitive infiltration...
> B-1557022) and the Strategic Environmental Research and  Development Program (SERDP, RC 2635) of the U.S. Department of Defense.
> Here, we show the stability of HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1 under experimental  circumstances tested is similar. Taken together, our results indicate aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 are plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to.....  
> 
> Estimation of COVID-2019 burden and potential for international dissemination of infection from Iran
> <https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.24.20027375v1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.medrxiv.org_content_10.1101_2020.02.24.20027375v1&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=5rdWxQBgyHc56zqWysbKERWkaD0C-0VAEprcx9Z7up8&e=>> doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.02.24.20027375 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__doi.org_10.1101_2020.02.24.20027375&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=WVrQZHBOXkh4V-VZWalMmFO4c3F7e7DdZBIrCO3AoBE&e=>
> 
> 
> The Hidden History of Psychotronic Experimentation on Involuntary human subjects... 
> 8/13/18 <https:// <https://>www.churchofmabusradio.com/2018/08/13/the-hidden-history-of-psychotronic-experimentation-on-involuntary-human-subjects-alex-constantine-1994/> 
> ... The same year, Dr. Jose Delgado ... Rockefeller Foundation..
> 
> The Hidden History of Psychotronic Experimentation on Involuntary Human Subjects ? Alex Constantine ? 1994 
> Psychotronics /delgado mia emailed [https://www.churchofmabusradio.com/2018/08/13/the-hidden-history-of-psychotronic-experimentation-on-involuntary-human-subjects-alex-constantine-1994/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.churchofmabusradio.com_2018_08_13_the-2Dhidden-2Dhistory-2Dof-2Dpsychotronic-2Dexperimentation-2Don-2Dinvoluntary-2Dhuman-2Dsubjects-2Dalex-2Dconstantine-2D1994_&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=-lBUsZrRQUjZ1vIdqrqTQ_eLWVF7XvBZ0cg-WVCMQ-Y&e=>]
> ....On May 6, Dr. Delgado, the Spanish bull-tamer and postwar Yale researcher, closed a lecture on the evolution of the brain at the American Museum of Natural History in New York with the announcement that ?science has developed a new electrical methodology for the study and control of cerebral function in animals and humans.?......Encouraged by progress in transforming human beings into cordless automatons, the CIA picked up the pace... a CIA manual was prepared on the electronic wizardry of Radio-Hypnotic Intracerebral Control (RHIC), originally developed by the Pentagon, according to a 1975 issue of Modern People:.......
> 
> 
> https://www.burbankdigest.com/node/577 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.burbankdigest.com_node_577&d=DwMFAw&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=r9ggwGWSXULJ3RMEGISCv6oZ9xaPN4qNABPmTF_3It4&m=AeryGl2FBmRS3s4GCGJS5vBjFRWJF7gel4CFup8Xjq0&s=GhRPxNGDLyR-1s9mjU1BlmvGwz4Bd7xz2BXDZxymmto&e=>
> Onward  to US post WW2 global EUGENICS dictatorship 
> 
> 
> 
> REVOLUTIONARY CLASSLESS SOCIETY FOR LIBERATING FUTURE
> MARX: Cap vol 1 ?Accumulation of wealth at one pole is, therefore, at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole, i.e., on the side of the class that produces its own product in the form of capital.?
> Lenin: ?It is characteristic of capitalism in general that the ownership of capital is separated from the application of capital to production... Imperialism, the global domination of finance capital, is that highest (last) stage of capitalism in which this separation reaches vast proportions
> 
> LENIN LCW, Vol.22, pp. 238-9.?,,, the briefest possible definition of imperialism... that imperialism is the monopoly stage of capitalism. (?) must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:
> the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this ?finance capital?, of a financial oligarchy; the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves, the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers ...?
> ?People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster.?
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Mar 15 22:23:49 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:23:49 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Where Coronavirus and capitalism mix: poverty makes
 us all less safe
Message-ID: <c159955b-352a-9452-7ca2-5a77c1994518@forestfield.org>

You're as free from risk of getting communicable disease or infection as the least 
healthy person around you. Therefore we all need Medicare for All and nobody (not 
even older people who already have Medicare) can afford to take the attitude of "I've 
got mine, I'm okay".

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/most-americans-dont-have-the-savings-to-cover-a-1000-emergency.html 
-- "A $1,000 emergency would push many Americans into debt"

> * Most people would be in a bind if they missed even one paycheck.
> 
> * Just 40 percent of Americans could pay an unexpected $1,000 expense, such as an
> emergency room visit or car repair, with their savings, according to a survey from
> Bankrate.

This article dates back to the long government shutdown of January 2019 but the 
conclusions are still apt:

> Hundreds of thousands of people are living without a paycheck amid the longest
> government shutdown in history.
> 
> As a result, federal employees and contractors are digging into their retirement
> savings, filing for unemployment, picking up other jobs and unable to meet their
> rent or mortgage payments.
> 
> Most people would be in the same bind if they missed even one pay period.
> 
> Just 40 percent of Americans are able to cover an unexpected $1,000 expense, such
> as an emergency room visit or car repair, with their savings, according to a
> survey from personal finance website Bankrate.
> 
> Instead, many would put the expense on their credit card or take a personal loan.
> (More than 1,000 people were interviewed in early January).

Now imagine how much more worse things get for the poor as time goes on and the 
continuity of national policy continues apace. Apparently we've got the ability and 
willingness to bail out the banks for $1.5T (with no Congressional review in part 
because Congress passed a bill into law to make this happen) but nothing for the poor.

How bad do things have to get before you're ready to break from the system that 
delivered these outcomes to you and your fellow citizens?

From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Mar 15 22:23:46 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:23:46 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for your time spent at home
 while COVID-19 infects an unknown number of people
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In keeping with the ideas in this thread, consider a few recent videos:

Jimmy Dore & co.

In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyqsCEPmyUM Dore & co. are ever so slowly coming 
around to realizing that if Sanders can't stand up for his ostensible interests in 
his own campaign it's not reasonable to believe that he will stand up for your 
interests as POTUS. Perhaps Sanders made the choices he did because he has different 
goals than what people impose upon him. Don't get too excited about Dore & co.'s 
change of heart about the Democrats -- by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5mMW6dZtfw 
they were talking much more supportively about the Democratic Party and Sen. Sanders: 
they apparently believe that if COVID-19 came up during a theoretical Pres. Sanders 
administration Pres. Sanders would somehow deliver Medicare for All, and Dore 
lamented that Sanders is "such a flawed messenger" wishing "he had different flaws" 
(around 16m13s). I disagree because that would require a compliant Congress which we 
clearly do not have (there is no great cry coming from Congress for bringing either 
extant Medicare for All bills to a vote much less passing it even overcoming a Trump 
veto. We've needed Medicare for All for decades and when HR676 was ready to be 
brought to the floor of either the House or Senate for a vote, nobody did so even 
with a majority Democratic Party control of both houses and a Democrat in the White 
House).

In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyqsCEPmyUM around 6m30s Dore & co. claimed that 
Bernie Sanders was lying when Sanders claimed Joe Biden can beat Trump. In a previous 
episode they showed some backing for Sanders' argument on this: They did a live show 
where they showed a poll which listed the (then current) Democratic primary 
candidates ability to beat Trump in a one-to-one match. Predictably, Sanders ranked 
highly on this poll, but Biden ranked highly enough to qualify as 'beating Trump' too 
which means the DNC can get everything it wants out of Biden. And since Trump is 
safely taking instruction from the permanent government, all likely electoral roads 
lead to more continuity of policy. Even if the Democratic Party supporters leave, 
judging by how many people follow and believe that primaries matter, it is unlikely 
enough of them will leave to truly render the party dead.



In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhO4p5BoDjM Jimmy Dore & co. show that the UN says 
exit poll results are way off and strongly suggest voter fraud is going on in the 
Democratic Party primaries. According to Christopher Tishlias in the thread starting 
with https://twitter.com/Cheese12987/status/1238196046477451264

> Not only are the #ExitPolls WAY off, but @BernieSanders has won every single 
> caucus state where votes are hand counted vs electronic voting systems. North 
> Dakota, Iowa, & Nevada we?re all victories. American Samoa is the only caucus 
> Bernie didn?t win, but fellow progressive @TulsiGabbard came in 2nd place to
> @MikeBloomberg who spent millions & sent 7 staffers to the island. Why is Bernie
> silent when it comes to the @TheDemocrats blatantly rigging the primary yet again
> just like in 2016? #ControlledOpposition #DNCsheepherding #DNCElectionFraud

followed by exit poll snapshots. I can't find any evidence of Bernie Sanders raising 
this issue, so I think that Christopher Tishlias' question is apt. It's as if this is 
all going down while Sanders remains silent about something that is adversely 
affecting his own campaign...again.

Regarding AOC's response on this issue: It's worth mentioning that AOC also supported 
making Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House which is a critical vote against Medicare 
for All because Pelosi is a well-known Medicare for All opponent. AOC's vote for 
Pelosi therefore puts the lie to any AOC claim of support for Medicare for All (a 
nationally important campaign issue).

Here's an excerpt of the discussion in this video from 9m28s:

> Graham Elwood: This is the thing-- when push comes to shove, she's [Alexandria
> Ocasio-Cortez, or AOC] not gonna resist. There's change from within; I don't trust
> anybody within the Democratic Party. I just can't. I can't. Until they say 'quit'.
> They gotta leave. And Tulsi needs to leave, they need to leave and start their own
> party.
> 
> Jimmy Dore: I agree with you, but they won't do it.

Where I differ with Dore & co. is the notion that if AOC, Sanders, and Gabbard formed 
a new party it would be worth following that new party. I say no, it would not be 
worth following that new party for the same reason I don't trust the Democratic Party 
-- corruption. Their choice to stay in the irredeemably corrupt Democratic Party 
shows me hard evidence that when times are tough they'll side with corruption. I'm 
not entirely sanguine on Rep. Gabbard (as you all know so I won't get into here) 
either, but Gabbard has announced she's not running to keep her Congressional seat so 
she might be ending her political career altogether. But she's also told Primo Nutmeg 
that if she runs it will be with the Democratic Party.






Sen. Bernie Sanders' forum:

Biden's recent forum, which by all accounts I saw, was brief (about 5 minutes) went 
very poorly and was very embarrassing for him and the Democratic Party as a whole, 
and Sanders' fireside chat where you can see him blunt his own critique of Biden's 
campaign money sources at by starting with what he routinely says about Biden:

[17m10s into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xniPOwdM9V4]
> Sen. Bernie Sanders: Joe Biden, who is a friend of mine and a very decent person,
> Joe has received campaign contributions from at least 60 billionaires. He has a
> Super PAC. There are other Super PACs out there, they're attacking us every single
> day coming from the healthcare industry and coming from the Wall Street and the
> Democratic Party. Joe, do you really think you're gonna gain the confidence of the
> American people, the excitement that you need in order to defeat Trump, who is
> clearly the most dangerous President in modern American history -- the people, are
> people gonna believe that you're gonna stand with the working families of this
> country when you are so dependent for your funding on billionaires and Super PACs
> that are funded in undisclosed ways by the wealthiest people in this country?







The only comedy news program worth watching -- Redacted Tonight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b-zLOuc4tY -- the only comedy news program that puts 
a fine point on capitalism, proper priorities (particularly in a health crisis), and 
doesn't frame it as Trump Derangement Syndrome (things are far too serious for TDS 
lies). This also gets into the untrustworthy primary election results coming from the 
Democratic Party primary.

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Sun Mar 15 23:45:39 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 18:45:39 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Reading About the Black Death with My Daughter
 Amid the Outbreak
In-Reply-To: <F78E9D93-60D9-4985-9A77-77763E82A8C4@newsfromneptune.com>
References: <DA93ECB1.5D8E5%lizburbank@zipcon.net>
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I hesitated to send this around because much of it is problematic. But, to keep the ball rolling...


> On Mar 15, 2020, at 4:38 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Liz Burbank <lizburbank at zipcon.net>
>> Subject: Reading About the Black Death with My Daughter Amid the Outbreak
>> Date: March 15, 2020 at 4:31:13 PM CDT
>> To: Liz Burbank <lizburbank at zipcon.net>
>> 
>>    NUDGE
>> The New Yorker is making its news coverage and analysis of the coronavirus outbreak available for free to all readers. Read our stories here.
>> Reading About the Black Death with My Daughter Amid the Outbreak
>> By Sam Knight A child?s fascination with the fourteenth-century scourge takes a sobering tone as Britain scrambles to stave off a new catastrophe.An illustration of a people throwing bodies in to boats on a canal during the Black Plague....
>> https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-uk/reading-about-the-black-death-with-my-daughter-during-the-coronavirus-
>> 
>> *Update, 13 February, 12:15 p.m.: WHO spokesperson has updated with information in story below, published 12 February
>> Update: 'A bit chaotic.' Christening of new coronavirus and ... Science
>> 2/12/20 <https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/bit-chaotic-christening-new-coronavirus-and-its-disease-name-create-confusion> 
>> expert group says novel coronavirus, now named SARS-CoV-2, ... COVID-19 is a name for the disease, not for the virus that causes it, ..
>> WHO says Europe now epicentre of pandemic
>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00154-w>  
>> 2 days ago ... Europe now become the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic, says the ... The bill will provide more than $3 billion to the Centers for Disease Control and ... Other funding will contribute to the global coronavirus response and provide ... between the 104 strains of the coronavirus, named SARS-CoV-2, .
>> 
>> 
>> ... Expert reaction to WHO say COVID-19 can be characterised as a ... coronavirus: classifying 2019-nCoV and naming it SARS-CoV-2 ..
>> 1 day ago ... 13 March 2020 Edition ? COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2 Latest Articles, Guidelines, News & Perspectives. ... Rapid risk assessment: Novel coronavirus disease<https://linksmedicus.com/news/novel-coronavirus-latest-articles-09-february-2020/> 
>> medRxiv preprint doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217. The copyright holder for this preprint (which was not peer-reviewed) is the author/funder, who has granted medRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity. This article is a US Government work .
>> This research was supported by the Intramural Research Program of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institutes of Health (NIH). JOL-S and AG were supported by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency DARPA PREEMPT # D18AC00031, and JOL-S was supported by U.S. National Science Foundation (DEB-1557022) Strategic Environmental Research and  Development Program (SERDP, RC 2635) of the U.S. Department of Defense.
>> Here, we show the stability of HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1 under experimental  circumstances tested is similar. Taken together, our results indicate aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 are plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to.....  
>> 
>> Estimation of COVID-2019 burden and potential for international dissemination of infection from Iran
>> <https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.24.20027375v1> doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.02.24.20027375
>> 
>> 
>> *Update, 13 February, 12:15 p.m.: WHO spokesperson has updated with information in story below, published 12 February
>> Update: 'A bit chaotic.' Christening of new coronavirus and ... Science
>> 2/12/20 <https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/bit-chaotic-christening-new-coronavirus-and-its-disease-name-create-confusion> 
>> expert group says novel coronavirus, now named SARS-CoV-2, ... COVID-19 is a name for the disease, not for the virus that causes it, ..
>> WHO says Europe now epicentre of pandemic
>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00154-w>  
>> 2 days ago ... Europe now become the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic, says the ... The bill will provide more than $3 billion to the Centers for Disease Control and ... Other funding will contribute to the global coronavirus response and provide ... between the 104 strains of the coronavirus, named SARS-CoV-2, .
>> 
>> 
>> ... Expert reaction to WHO say COVID-19 can be characterised as a ... coronavirus: classifying 2019-nCoV and naming it SARS-CoV-2 ..
>> 1 day ago ... 13 March 2020 Edition ? COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2 Latest Articles, Guidelines, News & Perspectives. ... Rapid risk assessment: Novel coronavirus disease<https://linksmedicus.com/news/novel-coronavirus-latest-articles-09-february-2020/> 
>> medRxiv preprint doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217. The copyright holder for this preprint (which was not peer-reviewed) is the author/funder, who has granted medRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity. This article is a US Government work .
>> This research was supported by the Intramural Research Program of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institutes of Health (NIH). JOL-S and AG were supported by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency DARPA PREEMPT # D18AC00031, and JOL-S was supported by U.S. National Science Foundation (DEB-1557022) and Strategic Environmental Research and  Development Program (SERDP, RC 2635) of U.S. Department of Defense.
>> Here, we show the stability of HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1 under experimental  circumstances tested is similar. Taken together, our results indicate aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 are plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to.....  
>> 
>> What is the Nudge Unit doing on coronavirus? 
>> <http://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=What%20is%20the%20Nudge%20Unit%20doing%20on%20coronavirus%3F%20> 
>> The Nudge Unit is working closely with the Department of Health and Social Care in crafting the government response <https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/covid-19-government-plan> . The most visible manifestation of its influence to date is in the communication around hand-washing and face touching ? in particular the use of ?disgust? as an incentive to wash hands and the suggestion of singing Happy Birthday to ensure hands are washed for the requisite 20 seconds. But it also seems to be influencing the more controversial question over when to move from ?contain? to ?delay? phasing. This is based on evidence about duration of compliance.
>> MINDSPACE Influencing behaviour through public policy
>> 
>> 
>>> 3 MIN VIDEO CASS SUNSTEIN, NUDGES GRADUATE TO LIBERALISING FASCIST PSYCHIATRIST INFLUENCER
>>> WGBH News   https://www.wgbh.org/news/2018/02/27/news/can-it-happen-here-essayists-trump-signs-authoritarianism-america
>>> February 27, 2018   Greater Boston <https://www.wgbh.org/news/greater-boston>
>>> Could authoritarianism take hold in America? Cass Sunstein, a Harvard professor and former Obama administration official, said he thinks it?s ?highly improbable? our democracy would reach that point, but that our country remains vulnerable.
>>> The question is the centerpiece of a new book edited by Sunstein titled, ?Can It Happen Here? Authoritarianism in America,? a collection of essays by some of the nation?s leading theorists, historians, and thinkers.  Among them is Martha Minow, former dean of Harvard Law School, who joined Sunstein Tuesday for an interview here on Greater Boston ?When Cass asked me to participate, I jumped at the chance because of the issues that have arisen since the election and during the campaign,? Minow said.
>> Sunstein, Obama White House Office Administrator of Information and Regulatory Affairs, said the book is not explicitly about President Donald Trump, but instead highlights the ?occasional vulnerability? that some of our institutions face. Much of the conversation focused on the erosion of trust in the free press and the state of the judiciary ? both of which have been criticized by Trump.... 
>> 
>> Dr Jos? Delgado. Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School
>> Congressional Record, No. 26, Vol. 118 February 24, 1974. 
>> "We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.".... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ... suffer crippled epistemology, in accordance with which it is rational to hold such theories... the best response consists in cognitive infiltration.
>> CASS SUNSTEIN: OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ?INFO CZAR?
>> COGNITIVE INFILTRATION fascist behavioral psychology ?NUDGES? mental health for new world order
>> This brief essay offers a general introduction to the idea of nudging...most important ?nudges?..,to create some separate ?behavioral insights unit?conducting its research, or rely on existing institutions. Keywords: nudges, behavioral science, freedom of choice, behavioral insights team...
>> Former Chicago and Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein,... 2008 co-authored a plan for the government to prevent the spread of anti-government "conspiracy theories," in which he advocated use of anonymous government agent "cognitive infiltration" to break them up,,,  in 2009 was appointed by President Barack Obama to direct an important executive....
>> (?information czar?}.... Griffin uses both satire and overwhelming evidence... Griffin author over 30 books, professor of philosophy of religion and theology emeritus,Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate University, CA
>> Cognitive Infiltration: Obama Appointee Plan...<https://books.google.com/books?No preview available - 2011
>> 
>> Abstract
>> Many millions of people hold conspiracy theories; they believe powerful people have worked together to withhold the truth about some important practice or some terrible event. A recent example is the belief, widespread in some parts of the world, that the attacks of 9/11 were carried out not by Al Qaeda, but by Israel or the United States. Those who subscribe to conspiracy theories may create serious risks, including risks of violence, and the existence of such theories raises significant challenges for policy and law. The first challenge is to understand the mechanisms by which conspiracy theories prosper; the second challenge is to understand how such theories might be undermined. Such theories typically spread as a result of identifiable cognitive blunders, operating in conjunction with informational and reputational influences. A distinctive feature of conspiracy theories is their self-sealing quality not likely to be persuaded by attempt to dispel their theories;  may even characterize that very attempt as further proof of the conspiracy. Because those who hold conspiracy theories typically suffer from a crippled epistemology, in accordance with which it is rational to hold such theories, the best response consists in cognitive infiltration...
>> B-1557022) and the Strategic Environmental Research and  Development Program (SERDP, RC 2635) of the U.S. Department of Defense.
>> Here, we show the stability of HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1 under experimental  circumstances tested is similar. Taken together, our results indicate aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 are plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to.....  
>> 
>> Estimation of COVID-2019 burden and potential for international dissemination of infection from Iran
>> <https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.24.20027375v1> doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.02.24.20027375
>> 
>> 
>> The Hidden History of Psychotronic Experimentation on Involuntary human subjects... 
>> 8/13/18 <https://www.churchofmabusradio.com/2018/08/13/the-hidden-history-of-psychotronic-experimentation-on-involuntary-human-subjects-alex-constantine-1994/> 
>> ... The same year, Dr. Jose Delgado ... Rockefeller Foundation..
>> 
>> The Hidden History of Psychotronic Experimentation on Involuntary Human Subjects ? Alex Constantine ? 1994 
>> Psychotronics /delgado mia emailed [https://www.churchofmabusradio.com/2018/08/13/the-hidden-history-of-psychotronic-experimentation-on-involuntary-human-subjects-alex-constantine-1994/]
>> ....On May 6, Dr. Delgado, the Spanish bull-tamer and postwar Yale researcher, closed a lecture on the evolution of the brain at the American Museum of Natural History in New York with the announcement that ?science has developed a new electrical methodology for the study and control of cerebral function in animals and humans.?......Encouraged by progress in transforming human beings into cordless automatons, the CIA picked up the pace... a CIA manual was prepared on the electronic wizardry of Radio-Hypnotic Intracerebral Control (RHIC), originally developed by the Pentagon, according to a 1975 issue of Modern People:.......
>> 	?
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.burbankdigest.com/node/577
>> Onward  to US post WW2 global EUGENICS dictatorship 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> REVOLUTIONARY CLASSLESS SOCIETY FOR LIBERATING FUTURE
>> MARX: Cap vol 1 ?Accumulation of wealth at one pole is, therefore, at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole, i.e., on the side of the class that produces its own product in the form of capital.?
>> Lenin: ?It is characteristic of capitalism in general that the ownership of capital is separated from the application of capital to production... Imperialism, the global domination of finance capital, is that highest (last) stage of capitalism in which this separation reaches vast proportions
>> 
>> LENIN LCW, Vol.22, pp. 238-9.?,,, the briefest possible definition of imperialism... that imperialism is the monopoly stage of capitalism. (?) must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:
>> the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this ?finance capital?, of a financial oligarchy; the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves, the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers ...?
>> ?People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster.?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Mon Mar 16 15:41:14 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 10:41:14 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] No new programs on UPTV
Message-ID: <80174A7B-00BE-474E-A8C5-B325706CF1D8@newsfromneptune.com>

http://urbanapublictelevision.yolasite.com/UPTV-Facilities-Closed-Through-April-6-2020.php?fbclid=IwAR23ygwGH2NEb9QAjQiNg5GBi7D4Ot1qAe-bVF2nusVICkwK0z5fqrgQXWA

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Tue Mar 17 00:44:49 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:44:49 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Job description
References: <3A298FFA-216F-4539-B7D3-FA51BDCB66B4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <031B9B6A-27B9-4E48-9C85-ED686795A5E1@newsfromneptune.com>

Political friends?

For 20 years I?ve used these lists for anti-war and political matters. 
This message is to publicize a position at our downtown Champaign condominium (?Park Place?).
I?d be happy to have you pass it along to anyone who might be appropriate. 

Regards,  CGE

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Mary Avelis <mavelis at mac.com>
> Subject: Job description
> Date: March 16, 2020 at 11:27:56 AM CDT
> 
> The attached file is the job description for Park Place's Maintanence/Groundskeeper position. It will be in the New Gazette this Wednesday and available on the website for 30 days without the required and preferred qualifications. 
> 
> If you know of someone, who might be interested please share this with them. If you need more copies, please let me know.
> 
> Thanks and stay healthy,
> 
> mm
> 
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Tue Mar 17 19:49:27 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:49:27 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Al-Monitor Daily Briefing: Iran hard-liners
 storm shrines closed due to coronavirus
References: <20200317132314.19748387.26431@sailthru.com>
Message-ID: <F4793F2E-2D84-44CD-8F22-312C4C139D1A@newsfromneptune.com>



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Al-Monitor <newsletter at al-monitor.com>
> Subject: Al-Monitor Daily Briefing: Iran hard-liners storm shrines closed due to coronavirus
> Date: March 17, 2020 at 12:23:14 PM CDT
> To: cge at shout.net
> 
>  
> If you have trouble reading this email, view it in a browser <https://linkst.al-monitor.com/view/59e67f753f92a41ffcf27648br9yb.ke7/a335acd3>.
>  
>  <https://linkst.al-monitor.com/click/19748387.26431/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hbC1tb25pdG9yLmNvbS9wdWxzZS9ob21lLmh0bWw_dXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPTIwMjAwMzE3JnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9c2FpbHRocnUmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbA/59e67f753f92a41ffcf27648Ba011f635>	 <https://linkst.al-monitor.com/click/19748387.26431/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZmFjZWJvb2suY29tL2FsbW9uaXRvcj91dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249MjAyMDAzMTcmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1zYWlsdGhydSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWls/59e67f753f92a41ffcf27648B84e2f6d3>  <https://linkst.al-monitor.com/click/19748387.26431/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cudHdpdHRlci5jb20vYWxtb25pdG9yP3V0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj0yMDIwMDMxNyZ1dG1fc291cmNlPXNhaWx0aHJ1JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWw/59e67f753f92a41ffcf27648B6a2555a0>  <https://linkst.al-monitor.com/click/19748387.26431/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5zdGFncmFtLmNvbS9hbG1vbml0b3I_dXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPTIwMjAwMzE3JnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9c2FpbHRocnUmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbA/59e67f753f92a41ffcf27648B1c10a214>  <https://linkst.al-monitor.com/click/19748387.26431/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hbC1tb25pdG9yLmNvbS9yc3M_dXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPTIwMjAwMzE3JnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9c2FpbHRocnUmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbA/59e67f753f92a41ffcf27648B72ac92ff>
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> EDITOR'S PICKS	Tuesday, March 17	|	Daily Briefing
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> Iran
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> Iran hard-liners storm shrines closed due to coronavirus
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> Groups of Iranian Shiite hard-liners briefly unsealed holy shrines in Qom and Mashhad in protest of the government's closure against the coronavirus epidemic.
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> Washington
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> Reports: US to reposition troops in Iraq
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> After two rocket attacks within a week on American troops in Iraq, the United States is preparing to reposition forces there.
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> Israel
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> Netanyahu wants an emergency government of Jews only
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> Although the coronavirus doesn?t distinguish between Jews and Arabs, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been doing so while calling on Blue and White leaders to join him in an "emergency government."
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> North Africa
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> For Tunisia, recovery means modernizing economy
>  <https://linkst.al-monitor.com/click/19748387.26431/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hbC1tb25pdG9yLmNvbS9wdWxzZS9vcmlnaW5hbHMvMjAyMC8wMy90dW5pc2lhLWdvdmVybm1lbnQtcGxhbi1lY29ub21pYy1jcmlzaXMtZ2F0ZXdheS1hZnJpY2EuaHRtbD91dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249MjAyMDAzMTcmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1zYWlsdGhydSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWls/59e67f753f92a41ffcf27648B76672035>
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> Tunisia?s new government faces the formidable task of reversing the economy's downward spiral of the post-revolutionary years with an eye toward becoming a gateway to Africa.
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> Israel
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> Netanyahu?s chief rival promises 'broad' government 'within a few days'
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> Israel?s president has tapped Blue and White leader Benny Gantz with forming a new government after the third election in less than a year produced no clear winner.
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> Culture
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> Tourists stay away as Egypt reopens oldest pyramid
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> Egypt has finally reopened its oldest pyramid after 14 years of restoration work, but the timing could have been better.
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> Israel
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> Israelis in panic over COVID-19, but not the 'occupation virus'
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> Despite attempts to spin events otherwise, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has hijacked the coronavirus in an attempt to hold on to power and perpetuate the occupation.
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> Culture
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> Banksy's hotel resorts to dark humor as Bethlehem turns to ghost town
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> Bethlehem's Walled Off Hotel painted its facade black in protest of Trump's peace plan, but the situation is even darker with the coronavirus alert in the city.
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> North Africa
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> Morocco shows support for Egypt in conflict with Ethiopia over Nile Dam
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> Although Moroccan King Mohammed VI's visit to Egypt had been postponed more than five times without clear reasons, a silent alliance between Egypt and Morocco may have been formed.
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> Coronavirus imposes calm on Gaza front
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> Calm has returned between Israel and Palestinian factions in Gaza, mainly because of the outbreak of the coronavirus and fears of it spreading in the besieged enclave.
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> Syria
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> Syrian opposition split over Russia-Turkey patrols in Idlib
>  <https://linkst.al-monitor.com/click/19748387.26431/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hbC1tb25pdG9yLmNvbS9wdWxzZS9vcmlnaW5hbHMvMjAyMC8wMy9jZWFzZS1maXJlLWFncmVlbWVudC1pZGxpYi1kaXZpc2lvbi1vcHBvc2l0aW9uLXJhbmtzLXNpdC1pbnMuaHRtbD91dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249MjAyMDAzMTcmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1zYWlsdGhydSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWls/59e67f753f92a41ffcf27648B06fac3ab>
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> The joint military patrols mandated by the Russia-Turkey cease-fire are in effect, sparking protests and dividing the Syrian opposition.
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> Egypt
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> Egypt suspending all flights amid coronavirus spread
>  <https://linkst.al-monitor.com/click/19748387.26431/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hbC1tb25pdG9yLmNvbS9wdWxzZS9vcmlnaW5hbHMvMjAyMC8wMy9lZ3lwdC1zdXNwZW5kLWZsaWdodHMtY29yb25hdmlydXMtc2lzaS5odG1sP3V0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj0yMDIwMDMxNyZ1dG1fc291cmNlPXNhaWx0aHJ1JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWw/59e67f753f92a41ffcf27648B1d0f4c98>
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> As the number of Egypt's COVID-19 cases rise to 150, Cairo says that all flights will be suspended for nearly two weeks and that tourism sites will be thoroughly sanitized.
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> Iraq
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> Iraqi anti-IS operations hindered by coalition base attacks
>  <https://linkst.al-monitor.com/click/19748387.26431/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hbC1tb25pdG9yLmNvbS9wdWxzZS9vcmlnaW5hbHMvMjAyMC8wMy9pcmFxLWlzaXMtaGFtcmVlbi11cy1wbXUuaHRtbD91dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249MjAyMDAzMTcmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1zYWlsdGhydSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWls/59e67f753f92a41ffcf27648Bf130da3f>
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> Members of the Iraqi counterterrorism forces and the US Marines have been killed during raids against IS hideouts in recent weeks in tough mountain terrain.
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Tue Mar 17 20:02:00 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:02:00 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Existing,
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> From: DAVID ESTABROOK <destabrook at mac.com>
> Subject: Existing, approved drug effective against CoVID 19
> Date: March 17, 2020 at 1:56:45 PM CDT
> To: Carl Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com>, Dawn Estabrook <drdawne at gmail.com>
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> FYI
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Tue Mar 17 23:54:48 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 18:54:48 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: 10 felony charges for exposing Planned
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> From: The Babylon Bee <editor at babylonbee.com>
> Subject: 10 felony charges for exposing Planned Parenthood
> Date: March 17, 2020 at 6:00:22 PM CDT
> To: carl at newsfromneptune.com
> Reply-To: The Babylon Bee <editor at babylonbee.com>
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> Please read the message below from our paid sponsor. While the views of this sponsor don't necessarily reflect those of the Babylon Bee, occasional paid messages like these help us continue bringing you the content you love.
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> Dear Friend,
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> Without your immediate action, the State of California could permanently silence one of the most influential pro-life advocates in America? and millions of preborn and newborn babies will be torn apart limb by limb and left to die.
>  
> You see, journalist David Daleiden ? who famously exposed Planned Parenthood selling baby body parts to the highest bidder ? has been arraigned on 10 felony charges stemming from his undercover investigation.
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> Not only does David face a decade in a state penitentiary if a San Francisco jury convicts him.  But he's prohibited from releasing the rest of his incriminating evidence against Planned Parenthood due to 'gag order' injunctions in place from two separate civil lawsuits.
> 
> Never before has an undercover journalist been silenced like this.
> 
> Then again, never before has one person held the key to rocking the abortion industry's world.
> 
> Will you stand with us today to defend David Daleiden and pro-life speech in America? <http://trk.listelixr.net/c/6/?T=OTkyNjA2OTc%3AMDItYjIwMDc3LTNkYmJhMTcwM2YzMzQzYjliNjFkYmQ5ZWIxNjRmMzVm%3AY2FybEBuZXdzZnJvbW5lcHR1bmUuY29t%3AOTA2NjE2ODEy%3AZmFsc2U%3AMA%3A%3AaHR0cHM6Ly9zZWN1cmUuYW5lZG90LmNvbS90aG9tYXNtb3Jlc29jaWV0eS9jYmY1MWQwOTg0NGFiNzFkZjQwZDI_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1lbWFpbA&K=0lnZYa8jezxf1U5TIENiUg>
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> My name is Tom Brejcha. I'm the President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Society ? a not-for-profit law firm underwriting and helping to spearhead David Daleiden's civil and criminal defense.
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> The Thomas More Society is proud to defend many of the most renowned leaders in America's pro-life movement ? because when dark forces like Planned Parenthood unleash their full might to legally, financially and personally destroy our clients ? we fight back.
> 
> But in this case, we're in real danger of jurors delivering Solomonic-type justice ? a 'split verdict' ? that would result in David spending time in a prison cell.
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> All because this young man had the courage to lead an undercover investigation that captured video evidence of the abortion goliath conspiring to illegally harvest and sell aborted baby body parts.
> 
> Now we're going to need to put on an over-the-top defense to make sure jurors are not pressured to 'compromise' and convict David of even one of the charges.
> 
> So if you agree it's absolutely outrageous that David is the one facing criminal charges and hard time in a state penitentiary ? rather than Planned Parenthood's executives?
> 
> ?then I pray you'll make an emergency donation to help us defend David and other pro-life heroes today. <http://trk.listelixr.net/c/6/?T=OTkyNjA2OTc%3AMDItYjIwMDc3LTNkYmJhMTcwM2YzMzQzYjliNjFkYmQ5ZWIxNjRmMzVm%3AY2FybEBuZXdzZnJvbW5lcHR1bmUuY29t%3AOTA2NjE2ODEy%3AZmFsc2U%3AMQ%3A%3AaHR0cHM6Ly9zZWN1cmUuYW5lZG90LmNvbS90aG9tYXNtb3Jlc29jaWV0eS9jYmY1MWQwOTg0NGFiNzFkZjQwZDI_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1lbWFpbA&K=r-jUyI3YyMKc_slRB1YuLw>
> 
> You see, altogether David has been sued or prosecuted six times!
> 
> We already defeated a two-count felony and misdemeanor criminal case in Houston and another nasty civil case brought by a baby body parts broker, Stem Express, in Los Angeles was dismissed.
> 
> And right now we're defending David in three other active cases:
> A civil lawsuit filed by the National Abortion Federation in federal court in San Francisco.  (A preliminary ?gag order? injunction prohibits David from releasing more of his videos exposing Planned Parenthood.)
> 
> A separate civil lawsuit filed by Planned Parenthood in federal court in San Francisco.  (Late last year a jury found David liable and awarded the abortion giant $1.4 million in damages on racketeering charges and $870,000 in punitive damages.  We are appealing this verdict!)
> 
> A civil lawsuit filed by anonymous Planned Parenthood personnel in federal court in Seattle, Washington.  (We won our first appeal and now our second appeal in that case remains pending and undecided.)
> But despite all that David is facing, his spirits remain high.
> 
> In fact, I know he sees this criminal case as yet another opportunity to drag more of Planned Parenthood's dark criminality into the spotlight.
> 
> My friend, that's what David set out to do ? and that's what you and I can make sure he continues doing by winning this legal battle.
> 
> Now I'll get right down to it... We anticipate David's legal defense will cost us more than $5,000,000. That's right, FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.
> 
> That's why I'm asking you to prayerfully consider a generous, tax-deductible gift of $30, $50, $100 or more today. <http://trk.listelixr.net/c/6/?T=OTkyNjA2OTc%3AMDItYjIwMDc3LTNkYmJhMTcwM2YzMzQzYjliNjFkYmQ5ZWIxNjRmMzVm%3AY2FybEBuZXdzZnJvbW5lcHR1bmUuY29t%3AOTA2NjE2ODEy%3AZmFsc2U%3AMg%3A%3AaHR0cHM6Ly9zZWN1cmUuYW5lZG90LmNvbS90aG9tYXNtb3Jlc29jaWV0eS9jYmY1MWQwOTg0NGFiNzFkZjQwZDI_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1lbWFpbA&K=h1EfHwL4hhDYhTAg_LaeSQ>
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> Planned Parenthood has millions of dollars to spend on lawyers and lobbyists ? and they'll stop at nothing to silence David and prevent the truth from coming out.
> 
> So no matter how large or small your donation today, it will be put to immediate use as we go head-to-head with the biggest players in the abortion industry in the courtroom.
> 
> It's a grave injustice that David is the one being hit with felony charges while Planned Parenthood (so far, at least) has gone unprosecuted and unpunished.
> 
> But by clearing David of these charges... you and I can allow him to continue with his incredibly important life-saving work.
> 
> So please follow this link to make your emergency contribution of $30 or more today. <http://trk.listelixr.net/c/6/?T=OTkyNjA2OTc%3AMDItYjIwMDc3LTNkYmJhMTcwM2YzMzQzYjliNjFkYmQ5ZWIxNjRmMzVm%3AY2FybEBuZXdzZnJvbW5lcHR1bmUuY29t%3AOTA2NjE2ODEy%3AZmFsc2U%3AMw%3A%3AaHR0cHM6Ly9zZWN1cmUuYW5lZG90LmNvbS90aG9tYXNtb3Jlc29jaWV0eS9jYmY1MWQwOTg0NGFiNzFkZjQwZDI_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1lbWFpbA&K=8s_RnL75-uJJPo5KcnZE-Q>
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> May God bless you,
> 
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> President & Chief Counsel
>  
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Tue Mar 17 23:55:23 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 18:55:23 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] What's more important: patent law or human lives?
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Just as people seem to be comfortable putting aside capitalism and saying that those 
who "price gouge" by charging ever-increasing prices for hand sanitizer[1], I 
recommend people consider 
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200317/04381644114/volunteers-3d-print-unobtainable-11000-valve-1-to-keep-covid-19-patients-alive-original-manufacturer-threatens-to-sue.shtml 
which is about 3D printing unavailable valves used in breathing equipment which helps 
keep COVID-19 patients alive:

Techdirt writes:
> Techdirt has just written about the extraordinary legal action taken against a
> company producing Covid-19 tests. Sadly, it's not the only example of some
> individuals putting profits before people. Here's a story from Italy, which is
> currently seeing more new coronavirus cases and deaths than anywhere else in the
> world. Last Thursday, a hospital in Brescia, in the north of Italy, needed
> supplies of special valves in order to use breathing equipment to help keep
> Covid-19 patients alive in intensive care (original in Italian). The manufacturer
> was unable to provide them because of the demand for this particular valve. The
> Metro site explains what happened next:

Metro wrote:
> With the help of the editor of a local newspaper Giornale di Brescia and tech
> expert Massimo Temporelli, doctors launched a search for a 3D printer -- a devise
> that produces three dimensional objects from computer designs. >> Word soon reached Fracassi, a pharmaceutical company boss in possession of the
> coveted machine. He immediately brought his device to the hospital and, in just a
> few hours, redesigned and then produced the missing piece.

Techdirt continues:
> Actually, it wasn't quite as simple as that suggests. Business Insider Italia
> explains that even though the original manufacturer was unable to supply the part,
> it refused to share the relevant 3D file with Fracassi to help him print the
> valve. It even went so far as to threaten him for patent infringement if he tried
> to do so on his own. Since lives were at stake, he went ahead anyway, creating the
> 3D file from scratch. According to the Metro article, he produced an initial batch
> of ten, and then 100 more, all for free. Fracassi admits that his 3D-printed
> versions might not be very durable or re-usable. But when it's possible to make
> replacements so cheaply -- each 3D-printed part costs just one euro, or roughly a
> dollar -- that isn't a problem. At least it wouldn't be, except for that threat of
> legal action, which is also why Fracassi doesn't dare share his 3D file with other
> hospitals, despite their desperate need for these valves.
> 
> And if you're wondering why the original manufacturer would risk what is bound to
> be awful publicity for its actions, over something that only costs one euro to
> make, a detail in the Business Insider Italia article provides an explanation: the
> official list price for a single valve is 10,000 euros -- about $11,000. This is a
> perfect example of how granting an intellectual monopoly in the form of a patent
> allows almost arbitrarily high prices to be charged, and quite legally. That would
> be bad enough in any situation, but when lives are at stake, and Italian hospitals
> struggle to buy even basic equipment like face masks, demanding such a sum is even
> worse. And when a pandemic is raging out of control, for a company to threaten
> those selflessly trying to save lives in this way is completely beyond the pale.

Italy is ahead of the US on COVID-19 in terms of COVID-19 infections -- US numbers 
will increase even under the best outcome scenario. So they're experiencing what is 
likely to come for the US.

What's more important: patent law or human lives?

Perhaps someone who valued human life over patent power could get either a copy of 
this 3D file (or a workalike) could get behind a VPN that doesn't log, upload a copy 
anonymously to The Pirate Bay, and get a lot of people sharing in that torrent thus 
keeping that torrent alive.


[1] "Price gouging" is the term used to convey disapproval for what otherwise might 
be called "observing supply and demand", "surge pricing", i.e. obeying what 
capitalism teaches us all to do (and rewards for doing well). The words one chooses 
reveals one's own take on the matter. How bad do things have to get before we too 
critique and reject capitalism?

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 18 00:32:26 2020
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 17:32:26 -0700
Subject: [Peace-discuss] FB censorship
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Facebook censored my post in Sunday?s News Gazette. 

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> Joe Biden as president is the choice of the ruling elites to ensure their policies of impoverishing the masses goes unnoticed.
> 
> Their form of imperialism is by way of interventions with the use of proxies, quietly using the CIA, keeping Americans docile as we continue to destroy through coups, and sanctions, rather than bombing and all-out war. They don?t wish to create anti-war mass movements across the nation endangering their power.
> 
> This faction of the ruling elites thinks strategically and long term, as they represent the oil and fossil fuel industries, banks, Wall Street, etc., as opposed to the current Trump administration representing the other faction of the ruling elites known as the entrepreneurial class, focused on maximizing short-term profits.
> 
> Both represent the powers that be, who care nothing for the working class. They simply represent two separate factions, often referred to as the Establishment, the Ruling Elites, the Deep State.
> 
> They control capital, the centers of economic power, the means of production, with the goal of preserving capitalism and the existing financial order, which requires social peace, not instability. They also want to stop growth and maintain their control of the world.
> 
> Anybody but Bernie is their mandate, who in spite of his poor record on foreign policy supporting imperialism, challenges Wall Street, the banks and the for-profit health care industry, on behalf of the American people.
> 
> KAREN ARAM


> On Mar 17, 2020, at 16:54, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Facebook censored this post.
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Mar 18 00:58:33 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 19:58:33 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] FB censorship
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Try <vk.com>. Pepe Escobar has moved there, from fb - as the latter pleads for respectability, in Biden?s America?

"VK (short for its original name VKontakte; Russian: ??????????, meaning InContact) is a Russian online social media and social networking service based in Saint Petersburg. VK is available in multiple languages but it is predominantly used by Russian-speakers. VK allows users to message each other publicly or privately; create groups, public pages, and events; share and tag images, audio, and video; and play browser-based games.[5]
As of August 2018, VK had at least 500 million accounts.[6] VK is ranked 19th (as of August 2019)[7] in Alexa's global Top 500 sites. It is the most popular website in Russia.[8]
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> On Mar 17, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Karen <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Facebook censored my post in Sunday?s News Gazette. 
> 
>> 	? Email
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>> Joe Biden as president is the choice of the ruling elites to ensure their policies of impoverishing the masses goes unnoticed.
>> 
>> Their form of imperialism is by way of interventions with the use of proxies, quietly using the CIA, keeping Americans docile as we continue to destroy through coups, and sanctions, rather than bombing and all-out war. They don?t wish to create anti-war mass movements across the nation endangering their power.
>> 
>> This faction of the ruling elites thinks strategically and long term, as they represent the oil and fossil fuel industries, banks, Wall Street, etc., as opposed to the current Trump administration representing the other faction of the ruling elites known as the entrepreneurial class, focused on maximizing short-term profits.
>> 
>> Both represent the powers that be, who care nothing for the working class. They simply represent two separate factions, often referred to as the Establishment, the Ruling Elites, the Deep State.
>> 
>> They control capital, the centers of economic power, the means of production, with the goal of preserving capitalism and the existing financial order, which requires social peace, not instability. They also want to stop growth and maintain their control of the world.
>> 
>> Anybody but Bernie is their mandate, who in spite of his poor record on foreign policy supporting imperialism, challenges Wall Street, the banks and the for-profit health care industry, on behalf of the American people.
>> 
>> KAREN ARAM
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 16:54, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Facebook censored this post.
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: The Babylon Bee <editor at babylonbee.com>
>>> Subject: 10 felony charges for exposing Planned Parenthood
>>> Date: March 17, 2020 at 6:00:22 PM CDT
>>> To: carl at newsfromneptune.com
>>> Reply-To: The Babylon Bee <editor at babylonbee.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please read the message below from our paid sponsor. While the views of this sponsor don't necessarily reflect those of the Babylon Bee, occasional paid messages like these help us continue bringing you the content you love.
>>> 
>>> Dear Friend,
>>>  
>>> Without your immediate action, the State of California could permanently silence one of the most influential pro-life advocates in America? and millions of preborn and newborn babies will be torn apart limb by limb and left to die.
>>>  
>>> You see, journalist David Daleiden ? who famously exposed Planned Parenthood selling baby body parts to the highest bidder ? has been arraigned on 10 felony charges stemming from his undercover investigation.
>>> 
>>> Not only does David face a decade in a state penitentiary if a San Francisco jury convicts him.  But he's prohibited from releasing the rest of his incriminating evidence against Planned Parenthood due to 'gag order' injunctions in place from two separate civil lawsuits.
>>> 
>>> Never before has an undercover journalist been silenced like this.
>>> 
>>> Then again, never before has one person held the key to rocking the abortion industry's world.
>>> 
>>> Will you stand with us today to defend David Daleiden and pro-life speech in America?
>>> 
>>> My name is Tom Brejcha. I'm the President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Society ? a not-for-profit law firm underwriting and helping to spearhead David Daleiden's civil and criminal defense.
>>> 
>>> The Thomas More Society is proud to defend many of the most renowned leaders in America's pro-life movement ? because when dark forces like Planned Parenthood unleash their full might to legally, financially and personally destroy our clients ? we fight back.
>>> 
>>> But in this case, we're in real danger of jurors delivering Solomonic-type justice ? a 'split verdict' ? that would result in David spending time in a prison cell.
>>> 
>>> All because this young man had the courage to lead an undercover investigation that captured video evidence of the abortion goliath conspiring to illegally harvest and sell aborted baby body parts.
>>> 
>>> Now we're going to need to put on an over-the-top defense to make sure jurors are not pressured to 'compromise' and convict David of even one of the charges.
>>> 
>>> So if you agree it's absolutely outrageous that David is the one facing criminal charges and hard time in a state penitentiary ? rather than Planned Parenthood's executives?
>>> 
>>> ?then I pray you'll make an emergency donation to help us defend David and other pro-life heroes today.
>>> 
>>> You see, altogether David has been sued or prosecuted six times!
>>> 
>>> We already defeated a two-count felony and misdemeanor criminal case in Houston and another nasty civil case brought by a baby body parts broker, Stem Express, in Los Angeles was dismissed.
>>> 
>>> And right now we're defending David in three other active cases:
>>> 	? A civil lawsuit filed by the National Abortion Federation in federal court in San Francisco.  (A preliminary ?gag order? injunction prohibits David from releasing more of his videos exposing Planned Parenthood.)
>>> 
>>> 	? A separate civil lawsuit filed by Planned Parenthood in federal court in San Francisco.  (Late last year a jury found David liable and awarded the abortion giant $1.4 million in damages on racketeering charges and $870,000 in punitive damages.  We are appealing this verdict!)
>>> 
>>> 	? A civil lawsuit filed by anonymous Planned Parenthood personnel in federal court in Seattle, Washington.  (We won our first appeal and now our second appeal in that case remains pending and undecided.)
>>> But despite all that David is facing, his spirits remain high.
>>> 
>>> In fact, I know he sees this criminal case as yet another opportunity to drag more of Planned Parenthood's dark criminality into the spotlight.
>>> 
>>> My friend, that's what David set out to do ? and that's what you and I can make sure he continues doing by winning this legal battle.
>>> 
>>> Now I'll get right down to it... We anticipate David's legal defense will cost us more than $5,000,000. That's right, FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.
>>> 
>>> That's why I'm asking you to prayerfully consider a generous, tax-deductible gift of $30, $50, $100 or more today.
>>> 
>>> Planned Parenthood has millions of dollars to spend on lawyers and lobbyists ? and they'll stop at nothing to silence David and prevent the truth from coming out.
>>> 
>>> So no matter how large or small your donation today, it will be put to immediate use as we go head-to-head with the biggest players in the abortion industry in the courtroom.
>>> 
>>> It's a grave injustice that David is the one being hit with felony charges while Planned Parenthood (so far, at least) has gone unprosecuted and unpunished.
>>> 
>>> But by clearing David of these charges... you and I can allow him to continue with his incredibly important life-saving work.
>>> 
>>> So please follow this link to make your emergency contribution of $30 or more today.
>>> 
>>> I know David will be deeply touched and encouraged by your generous support.
>>> 
>>> May God bless you,
>>> 
>>> Tom Brejcha
>>> President & Chief Counsel
>>>  
>>> P.S. This truly is a "David versus Goliath" type of battle.  Planned Parenthood and their allies want to destroy our 'David.' They'd love to see him rotting away in prison rather than exposing their criminal, ghoulish activities. You and I cannot let that happen.  Please follow this link to make your best contribution of $30 or more to stop this attempt to crush David Daleiden and pro-life speech in America.
>>> Donate Now
>>> 
>>> The Thomas More Society is a not-for-profit, national public interest law firm dedicated to restoring respect in law for life, family, and religious liberty.
>>>  
>>> Please consider supporting our efforts with a generous, tax-deductible donation.
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From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 01:41:01 2020
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 20:41:01 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] FB censorship of Mutual Aid posting
In-Reply-To: <68FCC01E-0AE8-4109-A718-0B5FA9E4F408@newsfromneptune.com>
References: <1608713707.145334626.1584486022068.JavaMail.cloud@mta0102.messagegears.net>
 <8C1D646E-0A2E-4AD3-81C3-5FAB7A48CD39@newsfromneptune.com>
 <DM6PR13MB28755863179AD30644216531A3F70@DM6PR13MB2875.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <68FCC01E-0AE8-4109-A718-0B5FA9E4F408@newsfromneptune.com>
Message-ID: <7e604ff2-e5ca-8654-016d-44aaa985b7dd@gmail.com>

I'd posted this on fb a few days ago, a good article about collaborative
responses to the pandemic, in comparison with inadequate responses from
our capitalist system:

????
https://itsgoingdown.org/autonomous-groups-are-mobilizing-mutual-aid-initiatives-to-combat-the-coronavirus/

Today, FB let me know that they'd removed the posting.?? They called it
"spam", without explaining why, but seeming to say that it had been
posted to attract fake "like"s.?? It did attract some interest, but none
of it was fake.??? There's no appeal process -- all I can do is to say
that I disagree with them.

Facebook users, if you approve of the above, want to try posting it and
see what happens?

On 3/17/20 7:58 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote:
> Try <vk.com>. Pepe Escobar has moved there, from fb - as the latter pleads for respectability, in Biden?s America?
>
> "VK (short for its original name VKontakte; Russian: ??????????, meaning InContact) is a Russian online social media and social networking service based in Saint Petersburg. VK is available in multiple languages but it is predominantly used by Russian-speakers. VK allows users to message each other publicly or privately; create groups, public pages, and events; share and tag images, audio, and video; and play browser-based games.[5]
> As of August 2018, VK had at least 500 million accounts.[6] VK is ranked 19th (as of August 2019)[7] in Alexa's global Top 500 sites. It is the most popular website in Russia.[8]
> According to SimilarWeb, VK is the 14th most visited website in the world.? Wikipedia
>
>
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Karen <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Facebook censored my post in Sunday?s News Gazette. 
>>
>>> 	? Email
>>> 	? Print
>>> 	? Save
>>> Joe Biden as president is the choice of the ruling elites to ensure their policies of impoverishing the masses goes unnoticed.
>>>
>>> Their form of imperialism is by way of interventions with the use of proxies, quietly using the CIA, keeping Americans docile as we continue to destroy through coups, and sanctions, rather than bombing and all-out war. They don?t wish to create anti-war mass movements across the nation endangering their power.
>>>
>>> This faction of the ruling elites thinks strategically and long term, as they represent the oil and fossil fuel industries, banks, Wall Street, etc., as opposed to the current Trump administration representing the other faction of the ruling elites known as the entrepreneurial class, focused on maximizing short-term profits.
>>>
>>> Both represent the powers that be, who care nothing for the working class. They simply represent two separate factions, often referred to as the Establishment, the Ruling Elites, the Deep State.
>>>
>>> They control capital, the centers of economic power, the means of production, with the goal of preserving capitalism and the existing financial order, which requires social peace, not instability. They also want to stop growth and maintain their control of the world.
>>>
>>> Anybody but Bernie is their mandate, who in spite of his poor record on foreign policy supporting imperialism, challenges Wall Street, the banks and the for-profit health care industry, on behalf of the American people.
>>>
>>> KAREN ARAM
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 16:54, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Facebook censored this post.
>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> From: The Babylon Bee <editor at babylonbee.com>
>>>> Subject: 10 felony charges for exposing Planned Parenthood
>>>> Date: March 17, 2020 at 6:00:22 PM CDT
>>>> To: carl at newsfromneptune.com
>>>> Reply-To: The Babylon Bee <editor at babylonbee.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please read the message below from our paid sponsor. While the views of this sponsor don't necessarily reflect those of the Babylon Bee, occasional paid messages like these help us continue bringing you the content you love.
>>>>
>>>> Dear Friend,
>>>>  
>>>> Without your immediate action, the State of California could permanently silence one of the most influential pro-life advocates in America? and millions of preborn and newborn babies will be torn apart limb by limb and left to die.
>>>>  
>>>> You see, journalist David Daleiden ? who famously exposed Planned Parenthood selling baby body parts to the highest bidder ? has been arraigned on 10 felony charges stemming from his undercover investigation.
>>>>
>>>> Not only does David face a decade in a state penitentiary if a San Francisco jury convicts him.  But he's prohibited from releasing the rest of his incriminating evidence against Planned Parenthood due to 'gag order' injunctions in place from two separate civil lawsuits.
>>>>
>>>> Never before has an undercover journalist been silenced like this.
>>>>
>>>> Then again, never before has one person held the key to rocking the abortion industry's world.
>>>>
>>>> Will you stand with us today to defend David Daleiden and pro-life speech in America?
>>>>
>>>> My name is Tom Brejcha. I'm the President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Society ? a not-for-profit law firm underwriting and helping to spearhead David Daleiden's civil and criminal defense.
>>>>
>>>> The Thomas More Society is proud to defend many of the most renowned leaders in America's pro-life movement ? because when dark forces like Planned Parenthood unleash their full might to legally, financially and personally destroy our clients ? we fight back.
>>>>
>>>> But in this case, we're in real danger of jurors delivering Solomonic-type justice ? a 'split verdict' ? that would result in David spending time in a prison cell.
>>>>
>>>> All because this young man had the courage to lead an undercover investigation that captured video evidence of the abortion goliath conspiring to illegally harvest and sell aborted baby body parts.
>>>>
>>>> Now we're going to need to put on an over-the-top defense to make sure jurors are not pressured to 'compromise' and convict David of even one of the charges.
>>>>
>>>> So if you agree it's absolutely outrageous that David is the one facing criminal charges and hard time in a state penitentiary ? rather than Planned Parenthood's executives?
>>>>
>>>> ?then I pray you'll make an emergency donation to help us defend David and other pro-life heroes today.
>>>>
>>>> You see, altogether David has been sued or prosecuted six times!
>>>>
>>>> We already defeated a two-count felony and misdemeanor criminal case in Houston and another nasty civil case brought by a baby body parts broker, Stem Express, in Los Angeles was dismissed.
>>>>
>>>> And right now we're defending David in three other active cases:
>>>> 	? A civil lawsuit filed by the National Abortion Federation in federal court in San Francisco.  (A preliminary ?gag order? injunction prohibits David from releasing more of his videos exposing Planned Parenthood.)
>>>>
>>>> 	? A separate civil lawsuit filed by Planned Parenthood in federal court in San Francisco.  (Late last year a jury found David liable and awarded the abortion giant $1.4 million in damages on racketeering charges and $870,000 in punitive damages.  We are appealing this verdict!)
>>>>
>>>> 	? A civil lawsuit filed by anonymous Planned Parenthood personnel in federal court in Seattle, Washington.  (We won our first appeal and now our second appeal in that case remains pending and undecided.)
>>>> But despite all that David is facing, his spirits remain high.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, I know he sees this criminal case as yet another opportunity to drag more of Planned Parenthood's dark criminality into the spotlight.
>>>>
>>>> My friend, that's what David set out to do ? and that's what you and I can make sure he continues doing by winning this legal battle.
>>>>
>>>> Now I'll get right down to it... We anticipate David's legal defense will cost us more than $5,000,000. That's right, FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.
>>>>
>>>> That's why I'm asking you to prayerfully consider a generous, tax-deductible gift of $30, $50, $100 or more today.
>>>>
>>>> Planned Parenthood has millions of dollars to spend on lawyers and lobbyists ? and they'll stop at nothing to silence David and prevent the truth from coming out.
>>>>
>>>> So no matter how large or small your donation today, it will be put to immediate use as we go head-to-head with the biggest players in the abortion industry in the courtroom.
>>>>
>>>> It's a grave injustice that David is the one being hit with felony charges while Planned Parenthood (so far, at least) has gone unprosecuted and unpunished.
>>>>
>>>> But by clearing David of these charges... you and I can allow him to continue with his incredibly important life-saving work.
>>>>
>>>> So please follow this link to make your emergency contribution of $30 or more today.
>>>>
>>>> I know David will be deeply touched and encouraged by your generous support.
>>>>
>>>> May God bless you,
>>>>
>>>> Tom Brejcha
>>>> President & Chief Counsel
>>>>  
>>>> P.S. This truly is a "David versus Goliath" type of battle.  Planned Parenthood and their allies want to destroy our 'David.' They'd love to see him rotting away in prison rather than exposing their criminal, ghoulish activities. You and I cannot let that happen.  Please follow this link to make your best contribution of $30 or more to stop this attempt to crush David Daleiden and pro-life speech in America.
>>>> Donate Now
>>>>
>>>> The Thomas More Society is a not-for-profit, national public interest law firm dedicated to restoring respect in law for life, family, and religious liberty.
>>>>  
>>>> Please consider supporting our efforts with a generous, tax-deductible donation.
>>>> ? Thomas More Society | www.thomasmoresociety.org
>>>> 309 W. Washington Street Suite 1250, Chicago, IL 60606
>>>> PO Box 546, Jupiter, FL 33468
>>>>
>>>> If you no longer wish to receive sponsored promotional emails from us click here to unsubscribe.
>>>>
>>>>
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Mar 18 13:45:24 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 08:45:24 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss]
 China-says-Japan-developed-drug-Avigan-works-against-coronavirus
Message-ID: <152CF123-78ED-42B6-90BE-DB44E646D88B@newsfromneptune.com>

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/China-says-Japan-developed-drug-Avigan-works-against-coronavirus

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Mar 18 14:06:28 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 09:06:28 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Present crisis
Message-ID: <3F89D93A-811D-464A-A852-DF93CCBFF294@newsfromneptune.com>

The present crisis has the possibility of reshaping the country in a social democratic direction, by establishing the principle that the federal government has the responsibility of providing an adequate level of support and a decent standard of living for every American.

We need a fission in the Democrat party (like the Whigs in 1854) and the establishment of a party that will run a Sanders-Gabbard ticket.

?CGE


From divisek at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 18 15:47:10 2020
From: divisek at yahoo.com (Dianna Visek)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 15:47:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Champaign City Council gives mayor power to impose
 curfew, seize private property
References: <1329732790.259672.1584546430961.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1329732790.259672.1584546430961@mail.yahoo.com>


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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 19:44:18 2020
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] I'd like to share a link with you
Message-ID: <CAN_ZZBPNdWO+NXnaUT_9AiO2LLHLnbiWGPuRXdj_MxLPw8WxwQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/avigan-favipiravir-t-705-broad-spectrum-inhibitor-viral-rna-polymerase
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From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 17:25:30 2020
From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 12:25:30 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] TOTALLY done with Tulsi
Message-ID: <CANDTtdm6d5dS0rccuFrMRwJ2bsmA0Zw_pOCcSD-fJQyYVHbk=g@mail.gmail.com>

 Tulsi Gabbard Drops Out and Endorses Biden
<https://politicalwire.com/2020/03/19/tulsi-gabbard-drops-out-and-endorses-biden/>

March 19, 2020 at 10:52 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
<https://politicalwire.com/author/tdg/> 306 Comments
<https://politicalwire.com/2020/03/19/tulsi-gabbard-drops-out-and-endorses-biden/#disqus_thread>

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) announced
<https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1240650484546859008> that she will
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Thu Mar 19 20:31:15 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 15:31:15 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: All U.S. Troops Out of Iraq Now
References: <5e737bab67d61_b0a83fdc8fd87f2414157d9@ip-10-0-0-214.mail>
Message-ID: <467423BF-4A89-4BAB-9528-A8BDAE6008A0@newsfromneptune.com>



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: World BEYOND War <info at worldbeyondwar.org>
> Subject: All U.S. Troops Out of Iraq Now
> Date: March 19, 2020 at 9:03:23 AM CDT
> To: cgestabrook at gmail.com
> Reply-To: info at worldbeyondwar.org
> 
>  <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mps2/c/HQE/ni0YAA/t.307/1X4DuZIrRy-wkLdsfj_sOA/h0/aw3zVkRECbVHWdE16RGtNUxe2dAucu-2BAqZakX-2FxU8HV2o40673mjGLPyROHXjCvcQSPMRHbHiMlV6d2cGk6cZSVKfnAxq738Qzn-2B-2Fu01PX4uqFsgcimP1PeGVt-2F-2FxXv8LuEWUXVm3YprmunGWPEeDDbgaSs9WhY8iN-2BcfRPSIs8upjIS7cByLLY4VQdjcen8L-2Bl9cWr7MBERkCscdVokwnLe-2FvrA7e20O5LDFaGXGN6SffwRT5a9BCLKJzdCRROU/nXDF>
> The mass killing and destruction of Iraq that began 17 years ago today, assessed by the most scientifically respected measures available, killed over 1.4 million Iraqis.
> 
> Join us now in demanding once and for all: U.S. troops out of Iraq! <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mps2/c/HQE/ni0YAA/t.307/1X4DuZIrRy-wkLdsfj_sOA/h1/CA0gLXQEKb6jqGkD7RqZiVCso-2FILbuaAIEEtVZapgA-2FG5qGEho5q-2FPoU36yIe8mN8ZC6z4rBX1CT-2BWwtUdc3MyzyJxtY3Z2RKqsGf12Lmp6FcYGHqwyByhVExc7NbNmsH2aBWgYqU-2Fb3DJJa5cQDCh7baxs3Yz2ToibcAqBWHGkxfk0vkuMt2Z5jf9Mxjba1MNuX3LXnm2Ae-2FPBO99AgByMlq48DPSkSKxiRoQr3F-2BscofO-2F2x0ucSyWMMj8niC0aHx8ozr-2Fr00hzguhgbXzHSuVeUm-2BMoVw-2Bu2OYppGioo-3D/nfAy>
>  <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mps2/c/HQE/ni0YAA/t.307/1X4DuZIrRy-wkLdsfj_sOA/h2/CA0gLXQEKb6jqGkD7RqZiVCso-2FILbuaAIEEtVZapgA-2FG5qGEho5q-2FPoU36yIe8mN8ZC6z4rBX1CT-2BWwtUdc3M2K7qP5aigz2IL-2FaNnUqNUdRBGvuq64CVWviWNUiRtyUTRxNGg34L7LnrdpqS6MwN4l-2FX7UUTH3OI2veG-2FOkCXA7Ho3uAfs9gomDZ1XyT6nDx5AjHJDH5k8J5dhLPcvChH7M5YzX4RLaPsD7QA0osD0TqRkn2kYL79CpZdxVZQkYBVYPa94cyPdF1vBaS4CpvuGjWTVb9r-2FHBUL0POTQ0oc-3D/LsuY>
> While U.S. troops have been reduced in Iraq, they have never been removed. In January, the Iraqi Parliament voted that all U.S. troops should leave. The U.S. government has refused to leave, and has instead proposed installing ("defensive") missiles in Iraq targeting Iran. While Iran is depicted in U.S. media as an evil enemy, the U.S. military does not claim that Iran is a threat to the actual United States, only to U.S. troops near Iran and U.S. "interests." The refusal to leave and the decision to install missiles endanger Iraq, Iran, the entire region, and a world at risk of nuclear escalation and climate collapse that cannot afford any more wars.
> 
> The terrorist attack on Baghdad 17 years ago, which was intended to ?shock and awe? people into terror and submission, followed months of pro-war propaganda in U.S. corporate media and from the U.S. government.
> 
> Senate Foreign Relations Chair Joe Biden promoted the White House?s lies about weapons of mass destruction, pushed hard for war, and orchestrated hearings that excluded dissenting voices.
> 
> Many were fooled or claimed to be. Donald Trump?s last public comment on the war before it started was that he supported it.
> 
> It is now popular in U.S. politics to deny having supported the war, even to claim to have ended it. But there is virtually no discussion of the moral and practical necessity of complying with the wishes of the Iraqi government ? wishes that line up with a demand that many of us have been making for exactly 17 years ? to withdraw all U.S. troops and mercenaries and bases and weapons from Iraqi soil.
> 
> Click here to join us in making that demand. We'll be able to do more with this petition if you've signed it and if you've asked others to sign it too. <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mps2/c/HQE/ni0YAA/t.307/1X4DuZIrRy-wkLdsfj_sOA/h3/CA0gLXQEKb6jqGkD7RqZiVCso-2FILbuaAIEEtVZapgA-2FG5qGEho5q-2FPoU36yIe8mN8ZC6z4rBX1CT-2BWwtUdc3M4F6vkSmWRGOBoIt9Fqhj8wdInu2YOBfg9mZUIDB-2FyqotXyvrVm-2Br8fFisD-2FU-2B9rFy197liN5Pf-2B9yuVSsW9P71RTZnl377d-2FdRhsyFc2tlGZCMyrdc1z57rtzYyd-2BIbop6OR-2BGuYwKbfbXl0Ii8JI0vQrJ7bj3XNJKicedbmpiO3SJvBCiBir3-2B0x9cjXWR-2BESFQi2L4IxTw-2FY9XT-2BZjDo-3D/0GNT>
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Mar 20 00:41:20 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 19:41:20 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] TOTALLY done with Tulsi
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Debra Schrishuhn wrote:
> Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) announced
> <https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1240650484546859008> that she will
> suspend her Democratic presidential campaign and endorsed Joe Biden

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard wrote in https://news.tulsi2020.com/en/an-important-announcement 
(her official campaign blog):

> After Tuesday's election, it is clear that Democratic Primary voters have chosen 
> Vice President Joe Biden to be the person who will take on President Trump in the 
> general election.

No the voters didn't. Those voters were denied a consistently hand-recountable 
voter-verified paper ballot (some voters used an app) producing an outcome in Iowa 
that is still not truly known. It's easier to rig elections where you don't collect 
voter-verified paper ballots (or if you destroy such evidence after misreporting the 
outcome). Democratic primary voters were recently compelled to choose between risking 
contracting Coronavirus or voting in that primary (a clear sign showing that the 
Democratic Party doesn't care about your life and all but nullifying any argument 
against what Trump said about Coronavirus/"Coronaflu" as Trump tried to minimize it).

As Jimmy Dore (whose show was very kind to Gabbard) points out in 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI--5Y-Sst0 in his interview with Tim Canova who lost 
his race against Debbie Wasserman Schultz under circumstances that look like election 
fraud:

- there are exit poll discrepancies in the Democratic Party primary so large 
(double-digit discrepancies) that if this happened in another country, the UN would 
call that election evidence of fraudulence.

- Biden was in last place, "couldn't get 10 people to show up for a campaign event 
and isn't campaigning" Jimmy Dore said, and is now beating Sanders who was 
consistently popular throughout (as evidenced by the money Sanders raised from 
ordinary people). It's not at all clear where any significant base of support for 
Biden came from other than the elites.

The voters apparently chose to support a corrupt party as if they could reform it 
from within (which will not happen).

And Jimmy Dore mentions that Sanders won't speak up for himself or his campaign and 
point this out but neither has Gabbard. As Canova said in the aforementioned video, 
"Sanders styles himself as a Democratic Socialist. And if he cared half as much about 
democracy as he does about the socialist agenda, then this would be exposed. You're 
not gonna have a Green New Deal, you're not gonna have Medicare for All as long as 
you have rigged elections". I think that is dawning on even the most ardent Sanders 
fan and this means another election where would-be Democratic Party supporters don't 
vote for POTUS and a growing base of people who have good reason to sit back and 
watch rather than support Sanders if he runs again in 2024.

Jimmy Dore's show doesn't point out what BlackAgendaReport.com's Bruce Dixon told us 
years ago ("Sanders is a sheepdog for the Democratic Party"). And Dore's show is too 
much in the tank for Gabbard to point out how she can be criticized for which Dore 
vociferously criticized Sanders. But we can all see that Sanders & Gabbard have some 
common ground here -- their fealty to the corrupt Democratic Party.

Gabbard is demonstrating her loyalty to the Democrats and that includes pushing the 
myth about their small-d democratic primary. The party bosses always get their way 
because that entire process is about choosing the "standard bearer" for a corporation 
(as its lawyer, Bruce Spiva, told the court). Part of that means not discussing the 
reason why the DNC pushes so hard for exposing people to Coronavirus -- it helps 
manufacture the numbers needed to make it look like Biden is the people's choice.

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard continued:

> I know Vice President Biden and his wife and am grateful to have called his son 
> Beau a friend who also served in the National Guard. Although I may not agree
> with the Vice President  on every issue, I know that he has a good heart and is 
> motivated by his love for our country and the American people. I'm confident that 
> he will lead our country guided by the spirit of aloha ? respect and compassion ? 
> and thus help heal the divisiveness that has been tearing our country apart.

This reads like Gabbard's version of what Sanders has (rightly) taken a lot of 
criticism for saying: "Joe Biden is a good friend of mine and he's a decent person.".

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard continued:

> So today, I?m suspending my presidential campaign, and offering my full support
> to Vice President Joe Biden in his quest to bring our country together.

For Sanders supporters, what happens to Gabbard's delegates (few as they may be)? Are 
they now pledged to Biden?

Now Gabbard looks like she is also joining in the support-Biden-to-knock-out-Sanders 
effort which so many of the other Democratic candidates supported.

But she is fulfilling a promise she foolishly made long ago (in interviews to CBS 
News, Primo Nutmeg, and probably others) -- supporting the presumptive nominee (which 
she did before anyone knew who that would be). This also means that she is (as I 
predicted) supporting someone with politics radically opposite to hers. I never 
believed she was properly called anti-war as I've been pretty clear about, but if one 
contends that she is an anti-war candidate then here she is pledging support to a 
pro-war candidate. Anti-war candidates don't do that.

P.S. Jimmy Dore is doing a live show as I write this 
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkpLh6J_5wQ) which promises to address Gabbard's 
endorsement of Biden. It'll be interesting to see if Dore & co can come clean about 
what this means regarding war.

From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Mar 20 01:01:29 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 20:01:29 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] TOTALLY done with Tulsi
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https://on.rt.com/ad3j -- Helen Buyniski on "Tulsi Gabbard lost her political future 
& moral high ground with Biden-2020 endorsement"

Helen Buyniski wrote:

> Hawaii congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard has dropped out of the 2020 presidential race
> to endorse her ideological opposite, establishment darling Joe Biden. It's
> political suicide ? for her, and for the idea of a progressive Democrat.
> 
> Gabbard's decision to bow out on Thursday may have made sense from an electoral
> perspective ? with just two delegates from her native American Samoa, she wasn't
> exactly a serious challenger to the much-more-popular Biden or even Vermont
> Senator Bernie Sanders, whom she supported in the 2016 race. Also on rt.com What
> about ending endless wars? Tulsi Gabbard drops out of presidential race and backs
> ...Biden
> 
> Shut out of the primary debates by a Democratic Party establishment afraid she
> might do to the frontrunner what she had done to California Senator Kamala Harris,
> whose juggernaut campaign began taking on water after Gabbard exposed her heinous
> record live on stage, Gabbard had little hope of an eleventh-hour electoral
> rally.
> 
> But while swearing fealty to the presumed nominee may have scored her some points
> among her establishment critics, most had a clear ulterior motive, using her exit
> as further leverage to pressure Sanders to drop out.
> 
>     Even Tulsi Gabbard has the dignity to drop out and endorse Biden. Your move, @BernieSanders.
>     ? Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) March 19, 2020
> 
> Many were quite open about dancing on her grave.
> 
>     It's Assad day for Tulsi Gabbard https://t.co/Qprjus2dXi
>     ? The Daily Show (@TheDailyShow) March 19, 2020
> 
> At the same time, Gabbard's erstwhile supporters feel betrayed, and justifiably
> so. A candidate who built her campaign on opposition to the business-as-usual
> Democratic policies of cloaking foreign military intervention in humanitarian
> jargon, Gabbard instead called for taking the trillions spent on the slaughter and
> plunder of hopelessly-outmatched Middle Eastern nations and using that money to
> rebuild the crumbling American homeland. It was a message that resonated across
> the partisan divide, even attracting some disillusioned 2016 Trump supporters who
> had voted for the president based on his promise to end the endless wars in Syria
> and Afghanistan, then watched in horror as he stepped up the bombing and tried to
> open another front in Iran.
> 
> For the young Hawaiian to throw her support behind Biden ? a man with nearly a
> 50-year track record of supporting Wall Street, the military-industrial complex,
> Big Pharma and the rest of the ruling establishment ?because he has a good heart?
> is spitting in the face of the hundreds of thousands of supporters who have
> contributed to her campaign, made phone calls on her behalf, packed town halls,
> and otherwise poured their precious time and money into supporting a long-shot
> candidate.
> 
>     So Tulsi Gabbard endorses Biden? I have lost all respect for her.P.S. Don't drop out Bernie.#NeverBiden
>     ? Margaret Kimberley (@freedomrideblog) March 19, 2020
> 
> It's no surprise they aren't taking it well. How are voters supposed to trust any
> future ?progressive? candidates after such turncoat maneuvers from not only
> Gabbard but Sanders, who in 2016 turned on a dime to stump for establishment pick
> Hillary Clinton after a coterie of unelected superdelegates declared her the
> winner following a primary process which leaked emails revealed beyond a shadow of
> a doubt to be rigged? Gabbard's political seppuku should force progressive
> Democrats to come to terms with the fact that there is no room for reform within
> their party.
> 
> On the bright side, those same pundits who screamed themselves hoarse warning that
> Gabbard was working for Vladimir Putin to sow discord among the American
> electorate and swing the nation to Trump now have to quietly revise their
> apocalyptic visions. Will they admit the congresswoman is not the Russian wrecking
> ball they claimed she was, or will they carry the fantasy to the finish line and
> say Gabbard has infected Biden's campaign with Russian ?malign influence??


From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Mar 20 22:48:31 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 17:48:31 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Democrats care less about you than ISIS does
 about its adherents
Message-ID: <cef09c28-6563-7600-d5aa-4ad89f872152@forestfield.org>

Advice from ISIS regarding Coronavirus: avoid Europe

This is reported in multiple places including:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/15/isis-tells-its-terrorists-not-to-travel-to-europe-for-jihad-because-coronavirus/
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/isis-issues-coronavirus-travel-advice-terrorists-should-avoid-europe-5m89dvjjw

> The Isis terrorist group is steering clear of Europe because of the coronavirus.
> Having previously urged its supporters to attack European cities, the group is now
> advising members to ?stay away from the land of the epidemic? in case they become
> infected.
> 
> The group has issued a new set of ?sharia directives? that instruct followers to
> ?cover their mouths when yawning and sneezing? and to wash their hands regularly.
> Isis militants have plenty of experience in covering their faces, though
> previously they did so to hide their identities when beheading hostages on
> camera.
> 
> In the latest issue of its al-Naba newsletter, the group refers not to guidance
> from the World Health Organisation or other medical experts, but to recorded
> quotes by the Prophet Muhammad, known

Note that ISIS is being called a "terrorist group" here despite the content of the story.




Advice from the Democratic National Committee:

https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1240086788808605698

> Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez told NPR he believes state
> officials should move forward with scheduled primaries despite guidance that
> people should socially distance themselves to avoid spreading the coronavirus.
No mention of the DNC being called a terrorist group despite telling party faithful 
to risk their well-being (or possibly their lives) to support a corporate function 
masquerading as small-d democracy. Read Bruce Spiva's quote to the court if you doubt 
that corporate party primaries are meaningful to select a corporate party standards 
bearer. They're not. They never have been. Party bosses go along with them only 
insofar as the election outcome agrees with what the bosses want.

And relatedly, for those of you who can't get your messages out through social media: 
keep in mind that establishment figures like the Democrats apparently have no problem 
getting their bad (possibly lethal) advice out now whether through their own account 
or through one of their establishment media partners (NPR, Disney networks, Comcast 
networks, likely any cable channel you can get, etc.). Consider what this means every 
time you read/hear that some repeater site wants to do something to keep you from 
reading fake news or in some way "protect" you from dangerous advice.

-J

From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Mar 21 07:20:15 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 02:20:15 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] TOTALLY done with Tulsi
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Helen Buyniski in https://on.rt.com/ad3j wrote:
> At the same time, Gabbard's erstwhile supporters feel betrayed, and justifiably
> so. A candidate who built her campaign on opposition to the business-as-usual
> Democratic policies of cloaking foreign military intervention in humanitarian
> jargon, Gabbard instead called for taking the trillions spent on the slaughter and
> plunder of hopelessly-outmatched Middle Eastern nations and using that money to
> rebuild the crumbling American homeland. It was a message that resonated across
> the partisan divide, even attracting some disillusioned 2016 Trump supporters who
> had voted for the president based on his promise to end the endless wars in Syria
> and Afghanistan, then watched in horror as he stepped up the bombing and tried to
> open another front in Iran.
>
> For the young Hawaiian to throw her support behind Biden ? a man with nearly a
> 50-year track record of supporting Wall Street, the military-industrial complex,
> Big Pharma and the rest of the ruling establishment ?because he has a good heart?
> is spitting in the face of the hundreds of thousands of supporters who have
> contributed to her campaign, made phone calls on her behalf, packed town halls,
> and otherwise poured their precious time and money into supporting a long-shot
> candidate.
>
> ??? So Tulsi Gabbard endorses Biden? I have lost all respect for her.P.S. Don't 
> drop out Bernie.#NeverBiden
> ??? ? Margaret Kimberley (@freedomrideblog) March 19, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnwtrKJVZGs is Primo Nutmeg's "Response to Tulsi 
Gabbard endorsing Joe Biden". If you're feeling chilly tonight, or perhaps 
disappointed in Rep. Gabbard for the reason Buyniski laid out above, enjoy the end of 
that video.



Relatedly, but not discussing Tulsi Gabbard specifically, Jimmy Dore in 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSRQwNSyn7w around 5m01s said:

> Jimmy Dore: So this is what the Democratic Party is -- this is the Democratic
> Party [pointing to a tweet about how a US pharmaceutical company "increased the
> price of chloroquine -- an antimalarial, which is one of the drugs that is being
> tested against Covid-19 -- on Jan. 23. The drug price rose 98% to $7.66 per 250mg
> pill and $19.88 per 500mg pill."]: 'There's a crisis? How can we make some money
> for the banks? Low-interest loans. Oh, how can we make some money for the Big
> Pharma? The vaccine's gotta be affordable! Remember when Nancy Pelosi said that?
> That's her big idea! And now she wants to means-test the UBI. There's no reason to
> ever vote for a Democrat. Ever again. And I wonder if I will.
That drug price was later lowered after the price hike received a highly critical 
reaction.



What connects these two stories? Whether the theme is Primo Nutmeg's response to 
Tulsi Gabbard endorsing Joe Biden, or Jimmy Dore's reaction to the Democratic Party:

I heard somebody say
Burn baby burn, disco inferno
Burn baby burn, burn the mother down
(Burn it!)

    -- The Trammps, "Disco Inferno"
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M
       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Inferno for you youngsters.

From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Sat Mar 21 17:39:30 2020
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 12:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?US_government_threatens_families_of_In?=
	=?utf-8?q?t=E2=80=99l_Criminal_Court_staff_if_they_try_Americans_f?=
	=?utf-8?q?or_war_crimes?=
Message-ID: <005601d5ffa7$adbbb940$09332bc0$@comcast.net>

There will be no World Labor Hour broadcast for the foreseeable future. We are working on arranging a remote streaming technique where Bill, Gus and I can do the program remotely from each of our homes, yet in the air at the same time taling with each other and call in guests, just like being in the WRFU studio. We will keep you posted on this development.

 

David Johnson <https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/20/us-threatens-families-international-criminal-court/> 

 <https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/20/us-threatens-families-international-criminal-court/> US government threatens families of Int?l Criminal Court staff if they try Americans for war crimes

 

 <https://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthegrayzone.com%2F2020%2F03%2F20%2Fus-threatens-families-international-criminal-court%2F> Share <https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=US%20government%20threatens%20families%20of%20Int%E2%80%99l%20Criminal%20Court%20staff%20if%20they%20try%20Americans%20for%20war%20crimes&url=https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/20/us-threatens-families-international-criminal-court/&via=TheGrayzoneNews> Tweet

The International Criminal Court approved an investigation into US war crimes in Afghanistan. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo responded by threatening to punish family members of ICC staff.

By Ben Norton

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has threatened the family members of International Criminal Court staff, vowing that Washington will take punitive action against them if the court tries American soldiers for war crimes.

Pompeo also announced an intensification of unilateral US sanctions on Iran and Syria, which are illegal under international law, and which are  <https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/17/us-sanctions-venezuelas-health-sector-coronavirus/> undermining the countries? attempts to contain the coronavirus pandemic.

In March 2019, the Pompeo State Department threatened to  <https://apnews.com/08e538e370914f6e8243e237dbde50b5> revoke or deny visas to any International Criminal Court (ICC) personnel investigating crimes committed by American forces.

A year later, on March 5, 2020, the ICC took a defiant step forward, officially approving an investigation into allegations of  <https://www.npr.org/2020/03/05/812547513/international-criminal-court-allows-investigation-of-u-s-actions-in-afghanistan> war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the US military and CIA in Afghanistan.

Pompeo responded by angrily condemning the court and its proceedings. His broadside was an apparent attempt at discrediting the institution, which the US government is not a party to.

In a subsequent  <https://www.state.gov/secretary-michael-r-pompeo-remarks-to-the-press-6/> State Department press briefing on March 17, Pompeo launched another tirade against the ICC, belittling it as a ?so-called court,? a ?nakedly political body,? and an ?embarrassment.?

Pompeo, who previously  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPt-zXn05ac> served as director of the CIA, took the denunciations a step further, threatening the family members of ICC staff.

?We want to identify those responsible for this partisan investigation and their family members who may want to travel to the United States or engage in activity that?s inconsistent with making sure we protect Americans,? Pompeo said, according to the US State Department?s official transcript.

Sarah Leah Whitson, the managing director for research and policy at the  <https://quincyinst.org/> Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, drew attention to the ?shocking attack? on Twitter.

?This isn?t just unlawful collective punishment against family members; it?s not just a disturbing attack on staff of a judiciary ? where the US has voted to refer other nations for prosecution; it?s abuse of federal authority to use sanctions against actual wrongdoers,? said Whitson, who previously directed the Middle East and North Africa division at Human Rights Watch.

Whitson called on Democratic presidential candidates Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders to ?condemn this US State Department assault on the staff and FAMILIES of ICC ? abuse of sanctions authority in flagrant attack on judicial independence, unlawful collective punishment.?

Long history of US threatening multilateral institutions

This blatant US threat against the family members of International Criminal Court prosecutors is part of a longer historical pattern of Washington attacking multilateral institutions.

At the beginning of the George W. Bush administration?s so-called war on terror, in 2002, the US Congress passed a bill called the American Service-Members? Protection Act ? more commonly known as the ? <https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law> Hague Invasion Act.?

This unprecedented piece of legislation, which has no precedent anywhere else in the world, declares that the US government unilaterally grants itself the right to militarily invade the Hague if a citizen of the United States or any allied country is tried at the court.

Nor are Secretary of State Pompeo?s threats the first time US government officials have targeted the family members of international organizations.

Jos? Bustani, the former director of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons ( <https://thegrayzone.com/2020/02/11/new-leaks-shatter-opcws-attacks-douma-whistleblowers/> OPCW), said hardline neoconservative John Bolton, a former under secretary of state for George W. Bush and national security adviser for Donald Trump,  <https://theintercept.com/2018/03/29/john-bolton-trump-bush-bustani-kids-opcw/> threatened him and his family when Bustani negotiated with the Iraqi government to allow in OPCW weapons inspectors.

?You have 24 hours to leave the organization, and if you don?t comply with this decision by Washington, we have ways to retaliate against you,? Bolton reportedly told Bustani, according to his recollection. ?We know where your kids live. You have two sons in New York.?

US State Department imposes new sanctions on Iran and Syria as deadly coronavirus spreads

Denigrating the Iranian government as ?terrorists? in his State Department press briefing, Mike Pompeo declared new sanctions on the social security investment company of Iran?s military, along with five Iranian nuclear scientists.

Moreover, Pompeo announced State Department sanctions on nine more entities, in South Africa, Hong Kong, and China, for doing business with Iran.

He also unveiled new sanctions on Syria?s minister of defense, citing the Syrian army?s  <https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/05/syria-war-updateturkeys-erdogan-seeks-to-reestablish-ottoman-empire/> battle to retake Idlib, the last remaining insurgent-held territory in the country, which is  <https://thegrayzone.com/2020/02/21/turkey-us-protect-al-qaeda-in-idlib-and-worsen-syrias-suffering/> occupied by a rebranded al-Qaeda affiliate and other extremist Salafi-jihadists, backed by NATO member Turkey.

US sanctions on Iran have  <https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/17/italy-uk-help-cuba-china-venezuela-coronavirus-us-sanctions/> devastated the country?s health infrastructure, greatly exacerbating the  <https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/12/us-learn-chinas-response-coronavirus/> coronavirus pandemic.

A new study by researchers at the Sharif University of Technology in Tehran warned that millions of people could die due to Covid-19 ? which Pompeo repeatedly referred to as the ?Wuhan virus? in his press briefing.

An article by German state broadcaster  <https://www.dw.com/en/iran-faces-catastrophic-death-toll-from-coronavirus/a-52811895> DW concisely explained how US sanctions have set the stage for mass death in Iran: ?Iran?s government applied for a $5 billion (?4.6 billion) loan from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to fight the epidemic ? the first time it has asked the IMF for assistance in over 50 years. Yet, even if it gets the loan, the administration won?t be able to shop for much-needed medical supplies: US sanctions make the banking transactions required to secure even medical supplies and humanitarian goods virtually impossible.?

 

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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Mar 21 20:43:13 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 15:43:13 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Jimmy Dore interview with Tulsi Gabbard on
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qxpwgnynco soon
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I wrote:

> Relatedly, but not discussing Tulsi Gabbard specifically, Jimmy Dore in 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSRQwNSyn7w around 5m01s said:
> 
> Jimmy Dore: So this is what the Democratic Party is -- this is the Democratic
> Party [pointing to a tweet about how a US pharmaceutical company "increased the
> price of chloroquine -- an antimalarial, which is one of the drugs that is being
> tested against Covid-19 -- on Jan. 23. The drug price rose 98% to $7.66 per 250mg
> pill and $19.88 per 500mg pill."]: 'There's a crisis? How can we make some money
> for the banks? Low-interest loans. Oh, how can we make some money for the Big
> Pharma? The vaccine's gotta be affordable! Remember when Nancy Pelosi said that?
> That's her big idea! And now she wants to means-test the UBI. There's no reason to
> ever vote for a Democrat. Ever again. And I wonder if I will.

Jimmy Dore is going to have a live show at 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qxpwgnynco shortly where he'll interview Tulsi 
Gabbard. It could be interesting if he asked tough questions but I think that's 
unlikely to happen. The edited version should show up on his channel 
https://www.youtube.com/user/TYTComedy/videos soon.

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sat Mar 21 23:15:29 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 23:15:29 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords 032120
Message-ID: <CH2PR11MB4344C64AD2E4051EA1F129258CF20@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

A review of terms sometimes useful in political analysis & polemics

trumpery, posturing, reputation management, Overton window

>  trumpery  (tr?m?p?-r?)  n. pl. trump?er?ies
1. Showy but worthless finery; bric-a-brac.
2. Nonsense; rubbish.
3. Deception; trickery; fraud.
     ? Farlex Free Dictionary online 

>  posturing
To assume a certain attitude or behave in a certain way, especially to make an impression or gain an advantage:  "They postured as Southern Loyalists to win the support of ex-Confederates" (James M. Smallwood).
// . . . false behaviour in order to impress or deceive people
		? Farlex Free Dictionary online  
cp. virtue signalling, reputation management 

>  reputation management :  engaging in volunteer, charitable & philanthropic projects with a view toward gaining a reputation for being respectable, virtuous, magnanimous, honorable, public-spirited, etc.  Such a reputation may be convenient & useful later ? such as in criminal court.  
		? Urban Dictionary

>  Overton Window
1. A political theory invented by arch-conservative Joseph Overton, VP of the anti-tax Mackinac Center for Public Policy in Midland, Michigan. (Overton died in 2003 when his ultra-light airplane crashed.)

2. The name of a poorly-written novel by right-wing talk show host Glen Beck. Published in early 2010, the book is a cautionary tale about leftist radicals taking over the government through incremental change.

In theory, the Overton Window represents the boundaries of "acceptable" public policy and discourse -- what a politician can support without seeming too "extreme." Opposing forces try to broaden this window (or shift it to one side) to make formerly "radical" ideas seem more "mainstream."

Overton's theory has a decidedly pro-business, anti-regulation slant. Something is either "more free" or "less free" in his view. He never mentions "more just" or "more fair" or "more practical." In fact, the entire theory tailor made for paranoid people and right-wing lunatics who think Obama is a totalitarian Marxist dictator bent on world domination.
The Overton Window is yet another idiotic theory masquerading as a "breakthrough" in political understanding. Its leading proponent is Glen Beck of Fox News...'nuf said.  .  .   .   

		? Urban Dictionary online  7/20/2010
??
Statements or ideas outside the Overton Window (frame, over the line, out of bounds, focal area, etc.) are sometimes  quickly dismissed or attacked by ?serious people? as: extremist, radical, impossible, silly, crazy, absurd, idiotic, unrealistic, unworkable, unacceptable, impractical, infeasible, marginal, deviant, far out, foolish, outlandish, preposterous, bizarre, nutty, bullshit, beyond the fringe, a waste of time, beyond what normal adults & serious people can take seriously.  But:  may also sometimes be praised as: creative, innovative, ?thinking outside the box? of received ideas.  ? RSz.   
	#	#	#

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sat Mar 21 23:15:29 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 23:15:29 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Keywords 032120
Message-ID: <CH2PR11MB4344C64AD2E4051EA1F129258CF20@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

A review of terms sometimes useful in political analysis & polemics

trumpery, posturing, reputation management, Overton window

>  trumpery  (tr?m?p?-r?)  n. pl. trump?er?ies
1. Showy but worthless finery; bric-a-brac.
2. Nonsense; rubbish.
3. Deception; trickery; fraud.
     ? Farlex Free Dictionary online 

>  posturing
To assume a certain attitude or behave in a certain way, especially to make an impression or gain an advantage:  "They postured as Southern Loyalists to win the support of ex-Confederates" (James M. Smallwood).
// . . . false behaviour in order to impress or deceive people
		? Farlex Free Dictionary online  
cp. virtue signalling, reputation management 

>  reputation management :  engaging in volunteer, charitable & philanthropic projects with a view toward gaining a reputation for being respectable, virtuous, magnanimous, honorable, public-spirited, etc.  Such a reputation may be convenient & useful later ? such as in criminal court.  
		? Urban Dictionary

>  Overton Window
1. A political theory invented by arch-conservative Joseph Overton, VP of the anti-tax Mackinac Center for Public Policy in Midland, Michigan. (Overton died in 2003 when his ultra-light airplane crashed.)

2. The name of a poorly-written novel by right-wing talk show host Glen Beck. Published in early 2010, the book is a cautionary tale about leftist radicals taking over the government through incremental change.

In theory, the Overton Window represents the boundaries of "acceptable" public policy and discourse -- what a politician can support without seeming too "extreme." Opposing forces try to broaden this window (or shift it to one side) to make formerly "radical" ideas seem more "mainstream."

Overton's theory has a decidedly pro-business, anti-regulation slant. Something is either "more free" or "less free" in his view. He never mentions "more just" or "more fair" or "more practical." In fact, the entire theory tailor made for paranoid people and right-wing lunatics who think Obama is a totalitarian Marxist dictator bent on world domination.
The Overton Window is yet another idiotic theory masquerading as a "breakthrough" in political understanding. Its leading proponent is Glen Beck of Fox News...'nuf said.  .  .   .   

		? Urban Dictionary online  7/20/2010
??
Statements or ideas outside the Overton Window (frame, over the line, out of bounds, focal area, etc.) are sometimes  quickly dismissed or attacked by ?serious people? as: extremist, radical, impossible, silly, crazy, absurd, idiotic, unrealistic, unworkable, unacceptable, impractical, infeasible, marginal, deviant, far out, foolish, outlandish, preposterous, bizarre, nutty, bullshit, beyond the fringe, a waste of time, beyond what normal adults & serious people can take seriously.  But:  may also sometimes be praised as: creative, innovative, ?thinking outside the box? of received ideas.  ? RSz.   
	#	#	#

From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Sun Mar 22 15:52:04 2020
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 10:52:04 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?FW=3A_=5BNew_post=5D_Hollywood_Celebri?=
	=?utf-8?q?ties_Are_Psyops_Wrapped_In_Human=C2=A0Skin?=
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by  <https://caitlinjohnstone.com/?author=2> Caitlin Johnstone 

CNN  <https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1240826557154963456> trotted out Hollywood actor Sean Penn to give the nation expert advice on how to deal with a novel virus pandemic yesterday.

Did they do this because we live in a meaningless, godless universe where madness reigns and everything is chaos? Close, but no. They wanted Penn to explain to the public that it would be wonderful if the US military were deployed inside US borders to deal with the pandemic, because the US military is the greatest humanitarian force on planet Earth.

?There is no greater humanitarian force on the planet than the United States military," Penn said. "The logistical skills, commitment to service, their care for the people. It?s really time to give the military the full breadth command and control of this operation. I wouldn?t blink, I would have put command and control in their hands a month ago, certainly today.?

"There is no greater humanitarian force on the planet than the United States military... it's really time to give the military the full breadth and control of this operation."

- Actor and activist Sean Penn on battling coronavirus <https://twitter.com/hashtag/CNNTownHall?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw> #CNNTownHall <https://t.co/tVVAtXQVh5> https://t.co/tVVAtXQVh5  <https://t.co/hnAfQq5UmK> pic.twitter.com/hnAfQq5UmK

? Anderson Cooper 360? (@AC360)  <https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1240826557154963456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw> March 20, 2020

The US military is in fact one of the least humanitarian forces on this planet, second only to malaria-laden mosquitos (and even that's debatable). No other force is circling the globe murdering people in countless undeclared military entanglements and bullying the world into complying with the interests of a nationless alliance of plutocrats and opaque government agencies at the expense of ordinary humans everywhere. They are the exact opposite of a humanitarian force on this planet.

Medical staff are a force for humanitarianism on this planet right now. Grocery store clerks are a force for humanitarianism on this planet. The US military are the armed thugs of a metastatic globe-sprawling empire run by sociopaths.

Don't say "Thank you for your service" to veterans whose only contribution to humanity has been helping to murder people for imperialist fossil fuel control agendas and Raytheon profit margins. Say "Thank you for your service" to your local cashier. To do the former is to participate in a cruel collective propaganda operation which only encourages more young people to hurl their bodies into the gears of the US war machine in search of the respect and honor you're displaying, while to do the latter is to thank someone for actually providing a crucial service to human beings.

The malfunction in Penn's mind is the result of many malignant factors, but among them is the fact that people who rise to fame and fortune naturally experience a gravitational pull toward elitist echo chambers which cultivate narratives that favor the status quo which gave rise to their fame and fortune. You have a hard time hanging out with normal people because most of them don't treat you normally anymore, so you find yourself spending time with other rich and famous people, and with people who have a vested interest in the rich and famous.

This dynamic naturally fosters an environment where celebrities are eager to believe positive stories about the system which favors them, and where narrative managers are eager to circulate those stories among influential voices. This is why, with very few exceptions, the closest you'll ever get to seeing a Hollywood celebrity express an anti-establishment opinion is one of them saying "Fuck Trump" at the Tony Awards. It's also why every few weeks you'll see some celebrity tweet something disgusting and then go into a meltdown when thousands of ordinary people react with revulsion; they don't have ordinary people in their lives giving them feedback on what's normal anymore, all they have is the elitist echo chamber.

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This echo chamber is what led a group of self-quarantining celebrities to believe it would be an awesome idea to  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WrS5rk0B7A> share a video compilation where they all badly sing lines from John Lennon's "Imagine" from inside their mansions with a world full of people who've been laid off from their jobs and are terrified for their futures. The figuratively and literally tone-deaf video was universally panned and people have been mocking it on social media ever since its release, which probably would have come as a surprise to the celebrities themselves since nothing in their insulated day-to-day lives would have told them they could all be collectively rejected with such disgust.

The celebrity "Imagine" project was  <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-gal-gadot-imagine-video-celebrities-singing-montage-john-lennon-the-beatles-isolation-instagram/> spearheaded by Israeli actress Gal Gadot, who as an IDF veteran would not have required any Hollywood echo chambering to have undergone deep psychological programming in favor of the empire. Gadot, who famously  <https://www.haaretz.com/life/television/gal-gadot-under-fire-for-supporting-idf-1.5256975> came under fire for publicly cheerleading the  <https://mondoweiss.net/2018/07/killing-statistics-massacre/> 2014 Gaza massacre, first shared the video on Instagram with the caption "We are in this together, we will get through it together. Let's imagine together. Sing with us."

Memesters have of course been  <https://twitter.com/yunocIubs/status/1241018201955274753> having fun with this.

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Then you've got celebrities like Rob Reiner, who just  <https://twitter.com/robreiner/status/1241190546422423563> tweeted "No more fucking around. We?re standing on a precipice. Time to consider a Federal lockdown."

Reiner is one of the more ham-fisted of the right-wing Democrats who we first saw  <https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/spies-hollywood-and-neocons-team-up-to-create-new-war-propaganda-firm-f857201743d3> promoting Russia hysteria, then  <https://twitter.com/search?q=sanders%20(from%3Arobreiner)&src=typed_query> working against the Sanders campaign, and are now promoting drastic totalitarian measures from their high-profile platforms. If you still hadn't seen these people for what they are yet, you should definitely be seeing them now.

It is an absolute guarantee that powerful people will use this pandemic to advance authoritarian measures which they have no intention of rolling back once the pandemic is over. They are working to do this currently. This is not a possibility, this is an absolute certainty.

No more fucking around. We?re standing on a precipice. Time to consider a Federal lockdown.

? Rob Reiner (@robreiner)  <https://twitter.com/robreiner/status/1241190546422423563?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw> March 21, 2020

While it does appear necessary to collectively use self-quarantining and social distancing to avoid crashing our healthcare systems and needlessly killing millions of people, we need to make sure we slam on the brakes long before we yield any more ground to the authoritarians than they've already shored up over the years. And we need to loudly shout down any celebrities who try to tell us otherwise.

Hollywood is a giant propaganda mill which when it isn't cranking out  <https://www.mintpressnews.com/hollywood-propaganda/247154/> movies which are literally funded and controlled by the US war machine is putting on spectacular ninety-minute "The global world order is perfectly sane and capitalism is totally working" infomercial presentations. It is an arm of cultural control which is unrivaled by anything else in this world, so of course it has powerful forces at work within it ensuring status quo loyalism.

Whoever controls the narrative controls the world, and Hollywood celebrities are psyops wrapped in human skin.

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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Mar 22 19:18:40 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 14:18:40 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Jimmy Dore interview with Tulsi Gabbard on
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jka28F9ldBg
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I wrote:
> Jimmy Dore is going to have a live show at 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qxpwgnynco shortly where he'll interview Tulsi 
> Gabbard. It could be interesting if he asked tough questions but I think that's 
> unlikely to happen. The edited version should show up on his channel 
> https://www.youtube.com/user/TYTComedy/videos soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jka28F9ldBg (30m42s) has that archived interview and 
this URL should be the permalink for this video.

- She's endorsing and/or supporting Sen. Joe Biden. She's said there's no difference 
between "supporting" Joe Biden and "endorsing" Joe Biden:

> Jimmy Dore: So is there a distinction between 'support' and 'endorse' or no?
> 
> Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: Not really.
> 
> Jimmy Dore: Okay.
So don't let anyone try to fool you into thinking there is a difference either in 
general or for her (now ended) campaign -- "support" and "endorse" here are not 
distinguished.



- Regarding being "anti-war"[1] who has also endorsed Sen. Joe Biden, a war hawk:

---begin transcript excerpt---

Jimmy Dore: So now [there's a] big controversy because you're such a strong anti-war 
voice and then you endorse or support Joe Biden and he voted for George W. Bush's 
Iraq war, he supported regime change in Libya, he still supports regime change in 
Syria, Joe Biden today is against troop withdrawal in Iraq and Syria, I mean so how 
you can square that circle? How could-- if your message was one thing and endorse a 
guy who's diametrically opposed? How does that happen?

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: Look, like I said in my message[2]: you know I don't agree with 
Joe Biden on every issue. I'm looking forward, continuing to see how I can best 
influence our nation's policies to do exactly what I've set out to do given the 
choices that are before us. I have thrown my support behind Joe Biden versus Trump. 
Which is something I've always said I would do, by the way, that I would support the 
eventual Democratic nominee[3] given the situation that exists and continue to use my 
platform and whatever I am able to use to actually work to actually work to bring 
about this change.

Jimmy Dore: So, yeah yeah. But there is no evidence that we're gonna be able to 
influence Joe Biden, right?

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: The task before us is great, we've always known this. That when 
we look at the foreign policy establishment in Washington, the obstacles are serious. 
But I'm not willing to throw in the towel and walk away and give up the fight. I'm 
continuing this mission and I hope that everyone who has come and joined our campaign 
and who has stood with me in belief in this message and this leadership will continue 
to stand with me in working to do this.

Jimmy Dore: So other people have asked why didn't you criticize Joe Biden more in the 
campaign? And especially since he would be the guy most emblematic of these wars 
because he got us into them and he's always for them and voted for the Iraq war, 
people were wondering why you didn't criticize him more during the campaign.

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: I think if you look throughout my campaign I really wasn't 
focused on criticizing one or another candidate as in multiple interviews and people 
asked similar questions -- well, what about this what about that person -- my focus 
has always been on my candidacy, what I am offering to the American people, the kind 
of leadership and experience that I bring, and pointing out problems with the 
political infrastructure, the political powerful elite in Washington, and the 
systemic change that we need to bring about.

Jimmy Dore: Yeah, but I agree with all your goals and the stuff and it just seems 
that-- aren't you worried that it completely dilutes your message that like-- I know 
you signed that pledge and so you have-- but you always buck the system; you always 
go against and so it just seems like it could have been a bigger statement had you 
said 'I'm not endorsing Joe Biden' because this is crazy! This guy's a war mongering 
maniac, plus he's obviously in mental decline. This is the corporate party just 
killing itself, right? The Democratic Party is revealing that it's unable to even put 
their good-- he's a worse candidate than Hillary Clinton, he has no chance to beat 
Donald Trump, and so wasn't this a time to maybe make even a bigger stand? What do 
you say?

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: I am very clear-eyed about the political landscape that's before 
us and as I have always and will always do, I'll make my decisions about how I can 
best make that positive impact, how I can best work to bring about the kind of change 
that I've committed my life to doing and that hasn't changed and it'll never change.

Jimmy Dore: So, did you reach out to the Bernie campaign to offer an endorsement or 
conversation?

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: Yeah, I reached out but my conversations with them I'll keep 
between us and them.

Jimmy Dore: Oh, okay, so you didn't offer your endorsement to them, the Sanders campaign?

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: Yeah, like I said I reached out and I'll keep my conversations 
between us and them.

Jimmy Dore: And so have you discussed a position with Joe Biden in his campaign?

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: No.

Jimmy Dore: Alright. So it's just-- you know, people like me, you know, wanted you to 
form a third party and of course, you smacked me down on the show, you let me know--

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: Every time.

Jimmy Dore: --every time I brought it up you let me know that's not happening, you're 
a committed Democrat[4] and you know the reason why is because right now we're in 
this position where somebody who's anti-war is gonna have to endorse and work for a 
guy who's diametrically opposed and is a war monger and then Sanders, the guy whose 
signature issue is Medicare for All, is gonna have to endorse a guy who just promised 
to veto Medicare for All even if passes the House and Senate. So you have two big 
progressives having to endorse the person who's a publicly guaranteeing not to do 
what we want them to do. So do you understand? I mean, I'm sure you understand.

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: I completely understand it. Again, I look at things at a very 
practical level and I see how the existing political infrastructure makes it 
virtually impossible, virtually impossible for any third party candidate to be 
viable. So let's look at, okay well, if for those who are advocating for a third 
party, a viable third party start working toward changing that infrastructure, that 
would make that a real thing.

---end transcript excerpt---

There's more to this interview, and I think you should watch it. I think this 
transcript excerpt captures the most important parts.




[1] I never thought she was, see 
https://digitalcitizen.info/2019/02/13/is-tulsi-gabbard-really-anti-war-no-shes-pro-drone-and-for-surgical-strikes/ 
for my view on that. It's worth noting that virtually none of her supporters (Jimmy 
Dore & co. included) ever covered her 2018 Intercept interview where she repeats 
pro-war "surgical strike" propaganda to paper over the real harm drones do and the 
unique threat drone strikes pose (cost, navigability, surveillance/spying, and the 
reality that they kill overwhelmingly innocent bystanders all expose the bullshit of 
"surgical strike" potential).

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDPcjLplCI0

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzVSYBNgOeI is an interview with CBS News where 
she said this. I understand that this is commonplace in the corporate parties. But 
this was an early sign that her campaign was just another Democratic Party campaign 
to ignore -- no serious candidate for public office pitches an endorsement without 
knowing precisely whom their endorsing specifically to avoid endorsing someone whose 
values are "diametrically opposed" to their own. Rep. Gabbard offers this in Dore's 
interview like this was her fulfilling a promise (which it was) and, on that basis 
alone, a good thing.

[4] This is another point of consistency for Rep. Gabbard: she said much the same 
thing to Primo Nutmeg in that interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkdl-QbtS1U) 
saying that third party politics don't have a chance and she's a loyal Democrat. Her 
loyalty to the Democratic Party is unassailable. And that's a fundamental part of the 
problem in some people's analysis when they think it would help if she joined a third 
party: why would you want someone so clearly corruptible (such as a so-called 
"anti-war" politician who supports "surgical strikes" and endorses a hawk like Joe 
Biden) in your new party, a party you'd consider supporting? Does it occur to people 
that the Democratic Party might like to have a third party that are truly under the 
control of the Democrats; it might help to occasionally have a false opposition to 
help wrangle the so-called "Left" into posing no threat to the Democrats? Any time 
the Green Party considers not running candidates where Democrats can win there is 
reason to believe that the Green Party is such a false opposition third party.

-J

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Mon Mar 23 04:08:12 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 23:08:12 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Blocked by FB
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https://freewillibrary.blogspot.com/2020/03/noam-chomsky-on-primary-media-criticism.html


From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Tue Mar 24 20:31:25 2020
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:31:25 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] COVID-19: How Corona Broke the System
Message-ID: <000901d6021b$3e393f40$baabbdc0$@comcast.net>

Interesting thought provoking article

 

David J.

 

 <https://consortiumnews.com> Consortiumnews

Volume 26, Number 83-Tuesday, March 24, 2020

COVID-19: How Corona Broke the System

March 24, 2020 .
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The corona crisis sends shockwaves through political, economic and social
systems. The status quo simply cannot continue, writes Marc Saxer. 

https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/20200123coronavirus-v4
.jpgBy Marc Saxer
 
<https://www.ips-journal.eu/index.php?id=344&L=0&tx_news_pi1%5Bnews%5D=4180&
tx_news_pi1%5Bcontroller%5D=News&tx_news_pi1%5Baction%5D=detail&utm_source=n
ewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=en_768_20200324&cHash=2f997a800ad210
3cba008a355c6d9983> International Politics and Society

https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/csm_Portrait_Saxer_01_
6c9be1ca95-100x100.jpgNo one knows how long the pandemic will last, how many
people will fall ill, how many lives the coronavirus will claim. But the
economic and political consequences of the outbreak are already emerging.
Measures to contain the pandemic are disrupting public life around the
world.

Starting with China, production has come to a standstill in one country
after another. Global supply chains are broken. You don't need a lot of
imagination to see a wave of bankruptcies approaching in many industries
where every last cent counts.

In the past few days, panic buying has dominated media coverage. However,
anxious consumers tend to postpone larger purchases. When shortages appear,
consumption also drops. These upheavals are likely to cause the already
sluggish European economies to slide into recession.

The sudden slump in Chinese demand has shaken the commodity markets. After
the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) could not agree
with Russia to cut production in order to stabilise prices, Saudi Arabia
changed its strategy and flooded the markets with cheap oil. As a result,
the
<https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/09/opec-russia-shale-oil-price-collapse/>
oil price plummeted to historic lows. In the short term, this might provide
a measure of relief to industry and consumers. However, oil price wars,
fears of recession and calamities on the bond markets are causing the stock
markets to crash. Only a far-reaching intervention by all major central
banks has so far staved off a financial crunch.

The Economic Response

Some countries, Germany in particular, have quickly launched extensive
packages of measures to cushion the impending economic crisis. After some
initial wavering, the United States is also planning a comprehensive
economic stimulus, including the unprecedented dispersal of helicopter
money. Whether these and other potential immediate measures are sufficient
to stop the economic downturn depends on how deeply the crisis eats through
the system. After past epidemics, a brief, sharp slump, the economy was
usually followed by a quick return to growth. Whether this will also be the
case with the corona crisis depends on many factors, not least how long the
pandemic lasts.

However, of greater concern are the shock waves that are now running through
the ailing financial systems, where they are accelerating worrying
longer-term trends. Many American industries and households are
over-indebted. In China, shadow banks, real-estate enterprises and
state-owned companies, along with the provinces, are all straining under the
debt burden. The European banks have not yet recovered from the previous
financial crisis. The economic collapse in Italy could cause the euro crisis
to flare up all over again. The way in which investors are fleeing for the
safety of government bonds indicates the deep fear that these houses of
cards will collapse. The corona crisis could set in motion a chain reaction
that would end in a global financial crisis.

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A Republic of Korea Army Soldier assists a U.S. Army soldier in donning
personal protective equipment before sanitizing a COVID-19 infected area
during a joint disinfecting operation in Daegu, South Korea, March 13, 2020.
(U.S. Army, Hayden Hallman)

Unlike the 2008 crisis, however, this time the central banks are not in a
position to save the day. To date, interest rates have been at historic lows
in all major economies. The US Federal Reserve has therefore started to
<https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/fed-to-pump-more-than-500-billion-into-shor
t-term-bank-funding-expand-types-of-security-purchases.html> provide
liquidity directly to the markets through repo transactions. The new head of
the European Central Bank, Christine Lagarde, initially
<https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/03/12/1584027114000/A-dangerous-slip-up-fr
om-Lagarde/> stumbled on the European crisis response, thereby provoking
speculation against the cohesion of the the euro group. By means of a
<https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2020/html/ecb.pr200315~1fab6a9f1f.e
n.html> coordinated intervention, however, all major central banks have now
shown their determination to take a stand against the panic in the markets.
The crucial question, however, is whether the Corona crisis can be overcome
with monetary policy instruments at all. That very much depends on the
nature of the crisis.

Democracies Now Have to Deliver

This is because the crisis is by no means limited to the economic sphere.
The ability of states to protect the life and limb of their own citizens, is
also being put to the test - and the stakes are nothing less than the
fundamental legitimacy of the Leviathan.

In the authoritarian regimes of Eurasia, the main issue is the legitimacy of
the strongmen, whose claim to power is based on the central promise "I
protect you.". Chinese President Xi Jinping has understood this and,
accordingly, is taking drastic measures against the spread of the virus
regardless of the costs. However, his counterparts in Thailand, the
Philippines and Brazil have treated control of the disease lightly and are
now being lashed out at by their own supporters. The question of whether, in
the eyes of his voters, President Donald Trump lives up to his central
promise to protect America from external threats is likely to have a
decisive impact on the outcome of the American elections.

An international pandemic cries out for a coordinated global response. So
far, however, each nation has pursued a solo effort.

While the corona crisis may be disenchanting populists in government, it
could be just what their counterparts in opposition have been waiting for.
In the eyes of many citizens, the democratic states already lost control in
the crises of 2008 and 2015. Decades of austerity policies and of health
care systems cut back to the absolute minimum have hollowed out state
structures; many people worry whether their nations will still be able to
cope with major crises. In many countries, the public mood is turning
against the free movement of money, goods and people.

Many Italians have long feared to be among the losers of globalisation and
the euro. Now come the emergency measures, the economic shock and yet
another refugee crisis. The Lombard right-wing populist Matteo Salvini is
not the only one who knows how to use the ingredients of "open borders,
dangerous foreigners, corrupt elites, and defenseless states" to mix a toxic
brew. Make no mistake, the liberal democracies of Western Europe are under
scrutiny. In the midst of a right-wing populist revolt, democrats must now
prove that they can and will protect the lives of all citizens.

But how far can individual liberties be restricted? How long should the
state of emergency last? Would Western societies tolerate drastic measures
like those in China? Should they, like the East Asians, give priority to the
collective over the individual? How can the rate at which the disease is
spreading be slowed down if citizens do not adhere to the recommendations on
"social distancing?" And what does solidarity with others mean when the only
thing we can do is to isolate ourselves?

Each Nation on Its Own

An international pandemic cries out for a coordinated global response. So
far, however, each nation has pursued a solo effort. Even within Europe
there is a lack of solidarity. As in the euro crisis and the refugee crisis,
Italy in particular feels that its partners have let it down. China cleverly
took advantage of the lack of European solidarity and sent a plane to Italy,
its Belt and Road partner country, loaded with medical supplies. In the
meantime, Berlin has recognized the geopolitical dimension of the dual
crises - coronavirus and refugees - and is concerned about the attempts by
external powers to divide Europe. The export ban on medical protective
equipment was eased again and Italy was assured of emergency aid in the form
of one million face masks. More importantly, the European Stability Pact was
suspended to give Italy enough fscal breathing room to save its economy.

The crisis is another stress test for the already heavily burdened
transatlantic partnership. Trump's decision to
<https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-killing-globalization-nati
onalism-protectionism-trump/> isolate the United States from its European
allies without consulting them has sent a clear signal. The American attempt
to
<https://m.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/coronavirus-usa-wollen-deu
tschen-impfstoffhersteller-kaufen-16679769.html> take over CureVac, a
company based in T?bingen, to secure the vaccine exclusively for the United
States, even escalated into a heated dispute with Berlin. Any joint,
coordinated crisis response is hardly conceivable under these conditions. In
the West, the byword so far has been 'Every man for himself.'

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Curevac in T?bingen. (Dktue, CC0, Wikimedia Commons)

At the global level, the new conflicts between major powers are fuelling the
crisis even more. The oil price war in particular is driven by geo-economic
motives. The conflict between Saudi Arabia and Russia raises questions
<https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/10/business/russia-us-shale-oil-putin-opec/
index.html> about the survival of the OPEC cartel. The big loser in the
historic drop in prices could ultimately be the heavily indebted American
shale oil industry. So if cheaper prices at the petrol pumps are really a
blessing, as the US President promised, depends on who can endure this war
of attrition the longest. In any case, Russia and Saudi Arabia have a key
interest in knocking out their debt-financed American competitor.

Whatever the outcome of the oil price war, the balance of power in the oil
markets will be readjusted. The debate about "peak oil," which has been
raging for decades, should also experience an interesting turn. In the end,
it might not be a dwindling supply of fossil fuels that will seal the
decline of the oil industry. With permanently low prices, it might simply be
no longer economically viable to exploit the remanining reserves. Could a
geo-economic conflict unintentionally herald the end of the fossil age?

The crisis is also fueling the U.S.-China hegemony conflict. For some time
now, there is a bipartisan consensus in Washington to decouple the American
from the Chinese economy so as not to strengthen the competitor for global
supremacy by supplying Beijing with its money and technology. Globally
positioned companies now need to re-assemble their supply chains overnight.
Will all of these corporations return to China when the immediate crisis is
over? Corporate executives would then have to think twice whether to
willingly ignore the geopolitical marching orders from Washington.

And how will Europe's companies reposition themselves after the crisis,
after the costs of being overly dependent on Chinese supply chains have
become all too clear? In the debate over whether the Chinese company Huawei
should be excluded from the expansion of the European 5G infrastructure,
Europeans already had a taste of how great American pressure can be. The
corona crisis could then accelerate a development that has been going on for
some time: deglobalisation. As a result, the global division of labor could
disintegrate into competing economic blocs.

Overnight, the Age of Neoliberalism Coming to an End

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Markus S?der in 2012. (Michael Lucan, Lizenz: CC-BY-SA 3.0 de, Wikimedia
Commons)

Suddenly everything is happening very quickly. Within hours, such large sums
are being pumped into the markets that make the "radical" promises of
Democratic presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders seem like pocket
money in comparison. German politicians, who yesterday had gotten heated up
by the intellectual musings of young socialist Kevin K?hnert, are now
seriously considering the nationalization of corporations. What was
dismissed in the climate debate as the naive dreams of children is now a sad
reality: global air traffic is coming to a standstill. Borders that were
considered unclosable in the refugee crisis are now indeed closed. And along
the way, conservative governor of Bavaria, Markus S?der has abandoned the
German fetish of balanced budgets, announcing, "We will not be guided by
accounting issues, but by what Germany needs."

The age of neoliberalism, in terms of  the primacy of market interests over
all other social interests, is coming to an end. Of course, all of these
measures are due to the state of emergency. However, citizens will remember
them when they soon again are told 'There is no alternative.' With the
crisis, long-dormant sphere of politics has been set into motion. After four
decades of neoliberal scepticism about the state, a long forgotten fact is
coming to the light: that nation states still have enormous creative power,
if only they are willing to use it.

The corona crisis amounts to an enormous field test. Millions of people are
experimenting with new ways to organise their everyday lives.

Like a spotlight, the corona crisis is illuminating the geopolitical,
economic, ideological and cultural fault lines of our time. Might this crack
in the edifice even signal an epochal break? Does the age of
turbo-globalisation end with the decoupling of the major economic blocs? Are
the oil price wars heralding the end of fossil industrial economies? Is the
global financial system changing into a new regime? Is the system
guarantor's baton going from the United States to China, or are we
experiencing the breakthrough of the multipolar world?

What is certain is that the Coronavirus could lead to a breakthrough of a
number of trends that have long been hidden. All of these developments are
mutually influencing each other at breathtaking speed. This complexity
suggests that this crisis will go deeper than the 2008 recession. The
pandemic could be the burning fuse on the powder keg of a global system
crisis.

Window to Future Wide Open

The corona crisis amounts to an enormous field test. Millions of people are
experimenting with new ways to organise their everyday lives. Business
travellers are switching from flights to video conferences. University
teachers are holding webinars. Employees are working from home. Some will
return to their old patterns after the crisis. But many now know from
personal experience that the new way of operating not only works, but is
also more environmentally and family-friendly. We have to use this moment of
disruption, the immediate experience of deceleration, to generate long-term
behavioural changes in the fight against climate change.

British journalist Jeremy Warner cynically sums up the neoliberal view of
the crisis: "From an entirely disinterested economic perspective, the
COVID-19 might even prove mildly beneficial in the long term by
disproportionately culling elderly dependents [sic!]." In stark contrast to
the lack of solidarity shown by its governments, people are experiencing a
wave of solidarity in their neighbourhoods, at work, and within their
circles of friends. When was the last time the capitalist machine was halted
in order to protect the old and the sick? We can build on this experience of
solidarity to make society as a whole more cohesive again. If we manage to
overcome the crisis together, we are creating a symbol at the dawn of a new
era: a community that stays together can meet any challenge.

However, reacting to the crisis also poses dangers. Borders are being closed
around the globe, visas are cancelled, and entry bans are imposed on
foreigners. The record number of orders for
<https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181352.shtml?fbclid=IwAR2FP3XqlEGFYrcsi
luMbV-ASpdIZam9QZDucv1nX7sFSbvtK7OTloQhdNM> industrial robots indicates that
the production chains will be made more resilient to breakdowns through a
decisive step towards greater automation. Both trends threaten to accelerate
the spiral of job losses, fear of social exclusion, resentment of
immigrants, and political revolts against the liberal establishment.

Liberal economist Philippe Legrain rightly
<https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-killing-globalization-nati
onalism-protectionism-trump/> warns: 'The Coronavirus crisis is a political
gift for nativist nationalists and protectionists. It has heightened
perceptions that foreigners are a threat. It underscores that countries in
crisis can't always count on their neighbours and close allies for help." We
must not leave the right to interpret the crisis to right-wing populists.
The answer to global challenges must not be isolation and national
selfishness, but rather solidarity and international cooperation. As opposed
to 2008, progressives cannot afford again to lose the battle over
interpreting what is happening, and what needs to be done. Over the next
weeks, the groundwork of the new world order will be laid. We must make sure
we will shape the debates over how it will look like.  

A Stronger Democratic State Can Emerge

Many, especially young people, are for the first time experiencing a
national emergency. Within days, their freedoms are restricted to an
unimaginable extent. Not only in China, but in the middle of Europe,
technologies are being used on a large scale to monitor and regulate the
behaviour of citizens. As the "fight against terrorism" taught us, many of
the emergency regulations now enacted will remain in force after the crisis
has ended. One does not need to sense a hidden agenda behind the
normalization of the state of emergency, the way Giorgio Agamben and Naomi
Klein do, which is to make individuals docile for disaster capitalism.
However, we must prevent our fundamental rights from being permanently
eroded.

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Naomi Klein, a key critic of "disaster capitalism,"  on Oct. 6, 2011, Day 21
of Occupy Wall Street, when she led an open forum. (David Shankbone, CC BY
3.0, Wikimedia Commons)

Slavoj ?i?ek hits the nail on the head when he warns that people rightly
consider state power to be responsible: 'you have the power, now show what
you can do! The challenge for Europe is to show that what China has done can
be done in a more transparent and democratic way.' The East Asian
democracies of South Korea, Taiwan and Japan have so far impressively
demonstrated how to do this without unduly restricting citizens' freedoms.
Their approach seems more compatible with Western democracies than the
draconian Chinese way. Still, successful management of the crisis would also
strengthen confidence in the democratic state. In a crisis, people tend to
rally around competent, hard-working and protective governments.

The global crisis has raised awareness of how vulnerable hyperglobalisation
has made us. In a globally networked world, pandemics can and do spread
across borders at high speed.

After years of austerity programmes have cut health care systems back to a
bare minimum, now every effort must be made to enable the system to cope
with the many sick people. The closure of municipal clinics, the chronic
undersupply of nursing staff and the pitiful state of technical equipment
are now taking their toll. Seldom has the demand to reverse the
privatisation of health care received greater public support. In the crisis,
Spain has quickly
<https://www.businessinsider.de/international/coronavirus-spain-nationalises
-private-hospitals-emergency-covid-19-lockdown-2020-3/?r=US&IR=T>
nationalized all of its private clinics and health services. In France, the
President openly questions the wisdom of neoliberal privatisation and vows
to shift course. In Germany, too, the debate has begun as to whether it was
really prudent to subject our social life to the dictates of the market. In
future, it must no longer be the individual's interest in profit, but the
common good of all that will be the central focus of public services.

The reconstruction of public services requires investments in the order of
billions. Chancellor Angela Merkel has affirmed that the constitutional debt
brake does not apply in exceptional situations like these: "What the budget
balance will look like in the end of the year is not the issue for us." In
the current situation, the German government is opening a historically
unprecedented rescue umbrella for the economy, covering everyone from small
self-employed and freelancers to large corporations. "We will do everything
possible,"
<https://www.ft.com/content/1b0f0324-6530-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5> assured
Federal Finance Minister Scholz. The framework for providing guarantees, in
a total amount of half a trillion euros, is only the beginning, states
Federal Minister of Economics Altmaier.

Thus, in the crisis we are all Keynesians again. Unlike after the 2008
recession, we must not return to austerity after the crisis. After decades
of austerity policies, many services are exhausted: health and education,
local government, transport infrastructure, the German armed forces, and the
police. In order to counter widespread fears of losing control, to prepare
the economy and society for the digital revolution and, last but not least,
to combat climate change, investments of historic proportions are necessary.

Social Democracy Can Save Us from the Crisis

The global crisis has raised awareness of how vulnerable hyperglobalization
has made us. In a globally networked world, pandemics can and do spread
across borders at high speed. Global supply chains are all too easily cut.
The financial markets are vulnerable. Right-wing populists want to close the
borders and isolate themselves from the world - but that is the wrong answer
to the global challenges of epidemics, wars, migration, trade and climate
change. Rather, our goal should be to address the root causes of these
crises. To do this, the global economy must be placed on a more resilient
foundation.

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Image from U.S. history textbook used in Catholic primary schools in 1915.
Text appearing with image: "They wanted to have their own assemblies levy
the tax." (Internet Archive Book Images, Flickr)

In the wake of the Corona crisis, global supply chains are already
reorganizing. Shorter supply chains, for example, with American production
facilities in Mexico and European facilities in Eastern Europe, create more
stability. Technologically, Europe must become sovereign again. To do this,
we need to cooperate much more closely in research and development. The
global financial system, which is held together by not more more than duct
tape, urgently needs re-ordering. For over a decade, central banks have not
been able to counter deflationary trends through monetary policies. In the
crisis, governments with expansionary fiscal policies are jumping aside.
Politically, this means a return to the the founding logic of
parliamentarianism, the principle of "No taxation without representation."
In other words, the financial systems must be put back under democratic
control.

Conflicts arise from excessive interdependence. These conflicts must be
cushioned by international norms and multilateral cooperation. The World
Health Organization's competent crisis management demonstrates the
effectiveness of multilateral cooperation in combating the pandemic. Unlike
the 2008 financial crisis, however, this time there is no coordinated
response from the twenty largest economies. The geopolitical rivalry of the
great powers on the one hand and the right-wing populist call for isolation
on the other hand stand in the way of greater international cooperation. The
existing elements of multilateral governance need to be strengthened with
concrete contributions. This can begin by providing more solid funding to
the World Health Organization and continuing with a G20 meeting to
coordinate economic crisis management. Here the Alliance of Multilateralists
can prove its value added.

The crisis has made it drastically clear to the populace that the status quo
cannot continue. The desire for a fundamental reorganisation of our economic
activity and collective life has never been greater. At the same time,
existential dangers must be fended off without disproportionately
restricting democracy and freedoms. Which political power can negotiate the
necessary social compromises to pull this off? The American political
scientist Sheri Berman has posed an anxious question: "Can social democrats
save the world (again)?" Let's get it done.

Marc Saxer heads the Asia department of the Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung (FES).
Previously he worked in the FES regional office in India and Thailand and he
coordinated the project Economy of Tomorrow in Asia.

This article is from
<https://www.ips-journal.eu/index.php?id=344&L=0&tx_news_pi1%5Bnews%5D=4180&
tx_news_pi1%5Bcontroller%5D=News&tx_news_pi1%5Baction%5D=detail&utm_source=n
ewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=en_768_20200324&cHash=2f997a800ad210
3cba008a355c6d9983> International Politics and Society. You can read the
original in German
<https://www.ipg-journal.de/regionen/global/artikel/detail/epochenbruch-4170
/> here.

The views expressed are solely those of the author and may or may not
reflect those of Consortium News.

 

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Subject: [Peace-discuss] COVID-19: How Corona Broke the System
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Hardly a word about the exigencies of capitalism. Too much pie on the sky of ?what must be done? in this essay. He seems to put economic issues in the forefront, ahead of the demands of the current virus plague, sustainability of resources a the biome, and climate change, almost like Trump. Criticism of China seems in the background despite China's success not only in taming (we hope) the virus, but in lifting its people from poverty in a generation (or two). .

On Mar 24, 2020, at 3:31 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Interesting thought provoking article

David J.

Consortiumnews<https://consortiumnews.com/>
Volume 26, Number 83?Tuesday, March 24, 2020
COVID-19: How Corona Broke the System
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The corona crisis sends shockwaves through political, economic and social systems. The status quo simply cannot continue, writes Marc Saxer.
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International Politics and Society<https://www.ips-journal.eu/index.php?id=344&L=0&tx_news_pi1%5Bnews%5D=4180&tx_news_pi1%5Bcontroller%5D=News&tx_news_pi1%5Baction%5D=detail&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=en_768_20200324&cHash=2f997a800ad2103cba008a355c6d9983>
<image002.jpg>No one knows how long the pandemic will last, how many people will fall ill, how many lives the coronavirus will claim. But the economic and political consequences of the outbreak are already emerging. Measures to contain the pandemic are disrupting public life around the world.
Starting with China, production has come to a standstill in one country after another. Global supply chains are broken. You don?t need a lot of imagination to see a wave of bankruptcies approaching in many industries where every last cent counts.
In the past few days, panic buying has dominated media coverage. However, anxious consumers tend to postpone larger purchases. When shortages appear, consumption also drops. These upheavals are likely to cause the already sluggish European economies to slide into recession.
The sudden slump in Chinese demand has shaken the commodity markets. After the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) could not agree with Russia to cut production in order to stabilise prices, Saudi Arabia changed its strategy and flooded the markets with cheap oil. As a result, the oil price plummeted<https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/09/opec-russia-shale-oil-price-collapse/> to historic lows. In the short term, this might provide a measure of relief to industry and consumers. However, oil price wars, fears of recession and calamities on the bond markets are causing the stock markets to crash. Only a far-reaching intervention by all major central banks has so far staved off a financial crunch.
The Economic Response
Some countries, Germany in particular, have quickly launched extensive packages of measures to cushion the impending economic crisis. After some initial wavering, the United States is also planning a comprehensive economic stimulus, including the unprecedented dispersal of helicopter money. Whether these and other potential immediate measures are sufficient to stop the economic downturn depends on how deeply the crisis eats through the system. After past epidemics, a brief, sharp slump, the economy was usually followed by a quick return to growth. Whether this will also be the case with the corona crisis depends on many factors, not least how long the pandemic lasts.
However, of greater concern are the shock waves that are now running through the ailing financial systems, where they are accelerating worrying longer-term trends. Many American industries and households are over-indebted. In China, shadow banks, real-estate enterprises and state-owned companies, along with the provinces, are all straining under the debt burden. The European banks have not yet recovered from the previous financial crisis. The economic collapse in Italy could cause the euro crisis to flare up all over again. The way in which investors are fleeing for the safety of government bonds indicates the deep fear that these houses of cards will collapse. The corona crisis could set in motion a chain reaction that would end in a global financial crisis.
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A Republic of Korea Army Soldier assists a U.S. Army soldier in donning personal protective equipment before sanitizing a COVID-19 infected area during a joint disinfecting operation in Daegu, South Korea, March 13, 2020. (U.S. Army, Hayden Hallman)
Unlike the 2008 crisis, however, this time the central banks are not in a position to save the day. To date, interest rates have been at historic lows in all major economies. The US Federal Reserve has therefore started to provide liquidity<https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/fed-to-pump-more-than-500-billion-into-short-term-bank-funding-expand-types-of-security-purchases.html> directly to the markets through repo transactions. The new head of the European Central Bank, Christine Lagarde, initially stumbled<https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/03/12/1584027114000/A-dangerous-slip-up-from-Lagarde/> on the European crisis response, thereby provoking speculation against the cohesion of the the euro group. By means of a coordinated intervention<https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2020/html/ecb.pr200315~1fab6a9f1f.en.html>, however, all major central banks have now shown their determination to take a stand against the panic in the markets. The crucial question, however, is whether the Corona crisis can be overcome with monetary policy instruments at all. That very much depends on the nature of the crisis.
Democracies Now Have to Deliver
This is because the crisis is by no means limited to the economic sphere. The ability of states to protect the life and limb of their own citizens, is also being put to the test ? and the stakes are nothing less than the fundamental legitimacy of the Leviathan.
In the authoritarian regimes of Eurasia, the main issue is the legitimacy of the strongmen, whose claim to power is based on the central promise ?I protect you.?. Chinese President Xi Jinping has understood this and, accordingly, is taking drastic measures against the spread of the virus regardless of the costs. However, his counterparts in Thailand, the Philippines and Brazil have treated control of the disease lightly and are now being lashed out at by their own supporters. The question of whether, in the eyes of his voters, President Donald Trump lives up to his central promise to protect America from external threats is likely to have a decisive impact on the outcome of the American elections.
An international pandemic cries out for a coordinated global response. So far, however, each nation has pursued a solo effort.
While the corona crisis may be disenchanting populists in government, it could be just what their counterparts in opposition have been waiting for. In the eyes of many citizens, the democratic states already lost control in the crises of 2008 and 2015. Decades of austerity policies and of health care systems cut back to the absolute minimum have hollowed out state structures; many people worry whether their nations will still be able to cope with major crises. In many countries, the public mood is turning against the free movement of money, goods and people.
Many Italians have long feared to be among the losers of globalisation and the euro. Now come the emergency measures, the economic shock and yet another refugee crisis. The Lombard right-wing populist Matteo Salvini is not the only one who knows how to use the ingredients of ?open borders, dangerous foreigners, corrupt elites, and defenseless states? to mix a toxic brew. Make no mistake, the liberal democracies of Western Europe are under scrutiny. In the midst of a right-wing populist revolt, democrats must now prove that they can and will protect the lives of all citizens.
But how far can individual liberties be restricted? How long should the state of emergency last? Would Western societies tolerate drastic measures like those in China? Should they, like the East Asians, give priority to the collective over the individual? How can the rate at which the disease is spreading be slowed down if citizens do not adhere to the recommendations on ?social distancing?? And what does solidarity with others mean when the only thing we can do is to isolate ourselves?
Each Nation on Its Own
An international pandemic cries out for a coordinated global response. So far, however, each nation has pursued a solo effort. Even within Europe there is a lack of solidarity. As in the euro crisis and the refugee crisis, Italy in particular feels that its partners have let it down. China cleverly took advantage of the lack of European solidarity and sent a plane to Italy, its Belt and Road partner country, loaded with medical supplies. In the meantime, Berlin has recognized the geopolitical dimension of the dual crises ? coronavirus and refugees ? and is concerned about the attempts by external powers to divide Europe. The export ban on medical protective equipment was eased again and Italy was assured of emergency aid in the form of one million face masks. More importantly, the European Stability Pact was suspended to give Italy enough fscal breathing room to save its economy.
The crisis is another stress test for the already heavily burdened transatlantic partnership. Trump?s decision to isolate the United States<https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-killing-globalization-nationalism-protectionism-trump/> from its European allies without consulting them has sent a clear signal. The American attempt to take over CureVac<https://m.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/coronavirus-usa-wollen-deutschen-impfstoffhersteller-kaufen-16679769.html>, a company based in T?bingen, to secure the vaccine exclusively for the United States, even escalated into a heated dispute with Berlin. Any joint, coordinated crisis response is hardly conceivable under these conditions. In the West, the byword so far has been ?Every man for himself.?
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Curevac in T?bingen. (Dktue, CC0, Wikimedia Commons)
At the global level, the new conflicts between major powers are fuelling the crisis even more. The oil price war in particular is driven by geo-economic motives. The conflict between Saudi Arabia and Russia raises questions about the survival of the OPEC cartel<https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/10/business/russia-us-shale-oil-putin-opec/index.html>. The big loser in the historic drop in prices could ultimately be the heavily indebted American shale oil industry. So if cheaper prices at the petrol pumps are really a blessing, as the US President promised, depends on who can endure this war of attrition the longest. In any case, Russia and Saudi Arabia have a key interest in knocking out their debt-financed American competitor.
Whatever the outcome of the oil price war, the balance of power in the oil markets will be readjusted. The debate about ?peak oil,? which has been raging for decades, should also experience an interesting turn. In the end, it might not be a dwindling supply of fossil fuels that will seal the decline of the oil industry. With permanently low prices, it might simply be no longer economically viable to exploit the remanining reserves. Could a geo-economic conflict unintentionally herald the end of the fossil age?
The crisis is also fueling the U.S.-China hegemony conflict. For some time now, there is a bipartisan consensus in Washington to decouple the American from the Chinese economy so as not to strengthen the competitor for global supremacy by supplying Beijing with its money and technology. Globally positioned companies now need to re-assemble their supply chains overnight. Will all of these corporations return to China when the immediate crisis is over? Corporate executives would then have to think twice whether to willingly ignore the geopolitical marching orders from Washington.
And how will Europe?s companies reposition themselves after the crisis, after the costs of being overly dependent on Chinese supply chains have become all too clear? In the debate over whether the Chinese company Huawei should be excluded from the expansion of the European 5G infrastructure, Europeans already had a taste of how great American pressure can be. The corona crisis could then accelerate a development that has been going on for some time: deglobalisation. As a result, the global division of labor could disintegrate into competing economic blocs.
Overnight, the Age of Neoliberalism Coming to an End
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Suddenly everything is happening very quickly. Within hours, such large sums are being pumped into the markets that make the ?radical? promises of Democratic presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders seem like pocket money in comparison. German politicians, who yesterday had gotten heated up by the intellectual musings of young socialist Kevin K?hnert, are now seriously considering the nationalization of corporations. What was dismissed in the climate debate as the naive dreams of children is now a sad reality: global air traffic is coming to a standstill. Borders that were considered unclosable in the refugee crisis are now indeed closed. And along the way, conservative governor of Bavaria, Markus S?der has abandoned the German fetish of balanced budgets, announcing, ?We will not be guided by accounting issues, but by what Germany needs.?
The age of neoliberalism, in terms of  the primacy of market interests over all other social interests, is coming to an end. Of course, all of these measures are due to the state of emergency. However, citizens will remember them when they soon again are told ?There is no alternative.? With the crisis, long-dormant sphere of politics has been set into motion. After four decades of neoliberal scepticism about the state, a long forgotten fact is coming to the light: that nation states still have enormous creative power, if only they are willing to use it.
The corona crisis amounts to an enormous field test. Millions of people are experimenting with new ways to organise their everyday lives.
Like a spotlight, the corona crisis is illuminating the geopolitical, economic, ideological and cultural fault lines of our time. Might this crack in the edifice even signal an epochal break? Does the age of turbo-globalisation end with the decoupling of the major economic blocs? Are the oil price wars heralding the end of fossil industrial economies? Is the global financial system changing into a new regime? Is the system guarantor?s baton going from the United States to China, or are we experiencing the breakthrough of the multipolar world?
What is certain is that the Coronavirus could lead to a breakthrough of a number of trends that have long been hidden. All of these developments are mutually influencing each other at breathtaking speed. This complexity suggests that this crisis will go deeper than the 2008 recession. The pandemic could be the burning fuse on the powder keg of a global system crisis.
Window to Future Wide Open
The corona crisis amounts to an enormous field test. Millions of people are experimenting with new ways to organise their everyday lives. Business travellers are switching from flights to video conferences. University teachers are holding webinars. Employees are working from home. Some will return to their old patterns after the crisis. But many now know from personal experience that the new way of operating not only works, but is also more environmentally and family-friendly. We have to use this moment of disruption, the immediate experience of deceleration, to generate long-term behavioural changes in the fight against climate change.
British journalist Jeremy Warner cynically sums up the neoliberal view of the crisis: ?From an entirely disinterested economic perspective, the COVID-19 might even prove mildly beneficial in the long term by disproportionately culling elderly dependents [sic!].? In stark contrast to the lack of solidarity shown by its governments, people are experiencing a wave of solidarity in their neighbourhoods, at work, and within their circles of friends. When was the last time the capitalist machine was halted in order to protect the old and the sick? We can build on this experience of solidarity to make society as a whole more cohesive again. If we manage to overcome the crisis together, we are creating a symbol at the dawn of a new era: a community that stays together can meet any challenge.
However, reacting to the crisis also poses dangers. Borders are being closed around the globe, visas are cancelled, and entry bans are imposed on foreigners. The record number of orders for industrial robots<https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181352.shtml?fbclid=IwAR2FP3XqlEGFYrcsiluMbV-ASpdIZam9QZDucv1nX7sFSbvtK7OTloQhdNM> indicates that the production chains will be made more resilient to breakdowns through a decisive step towards greater automation. Both trends threaten to accelerate the spiral of job losses, fear of social exclusion, resentment of immigrants, and political revolts against the liberal establishment.
Liberal economist Philippe Legrain rightly warns<https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-killing-globalization-nationalism-protectionism-trump/>: ?The Coronavirus crisis is a political gift for nativist nationalists and protectionists. It has heightened perceptions that foreigners are a threat. It underscores that countries in crisis can?t always count on their neighbours and close allies for help.? We must not leave the right to interpret the crisis to right-wing populists. The answer to global challenges must not be isolation and national selfishness, but rather solidarity and international cooperation. As opposed to 2008, progressives cannot afford again to lose the battle over interpreting what is happening, and what needs to be done. Over the next weeks, the groundwork of the new world order will be laid. We must make sure we will shape the debates over how it will look like.
A Stronger Democratic State Can Emerge
Many, especially young people, are for the first time experiencing a national emergency. Within days, their freedoms are restricted to an unimaginable extent. Not only in China, but in the middle of Europe, technologies are being used on a large scale to monitor and regulate the behaviour of citizens. As the ?fight against terrorism? taught us, many of the emergency regulations now enacted will remain in force after the crisis has ended. One does not need to sense a hidden agenda behind the normalization of the state of emergency, the way Giorgio Agamben and Naomi Klein do, which is to make individuals docile for disaster capitalism. However, we must prevent our fundamental rights from being permanently eroded.
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Naomi Klein, a key critic of ?disaster capitalism,?  on Oct. 6, 2011, Day 21 of Occupy Wall Street, when she led an open forum. (David Shankbone, CC BY 3.0, Wikimedia Commons)
Slavoj ?i?ek hits the nail on the head when he warns that people rightly consider state power to be responsible: ?you have the power, now show what you can do! The challenge for Europe is to show that what China has done can be done in a more transparent and democratic way.? The East Asian democracies of South Korea, Taiwan and Japan have so far impressively demonstrated how to do this without unduly restricting citizens? freedoms. Their approach seems more compatible with Western democracies than the draconian Chinese way. Still, successful management of the crisis would also strengthen confidence in the democratic state. In a crisis, people tend to rally around competent, hard-working and protective governments.
The global crisis has raised awareness of how vulnerable hyperglobalisation has made us. In a globally networked world, pandemics can and do spread across borders at high speed.
After years of austerity programmes have cut health care systems back to a bare minimum, now every effort must be made to enable the system to cope with the many sick people. The closure of municipal clinics, the chronic undersupply of nursing staff and the pitiful state of technical equipment are now taking their toll. Seldom has the demand to reverse the privatisation of health care received greater public support. In the crisis, Spain has quickly nationalized<https://www.businessinsider.de/international/coronavirus-spain-nationalises-private-hospitals-emergency-covid-19-lockdown-2020-3/?r=US&IR=T> all of its private clinics and health services. In France, the President openly questions the wisdom of neoliberal privatisation and vows to shift course. In Germany, too, the debate has begun as to whether it was really prudent to subject our social life to the dictates of the market. In future, it must no longer be the individual?s interest in profit, but the common good of all that will be the central focus of public services.
The reconstruction of public services requires investments in the order of billions. Chancellor Angela Merkel has affirmed that the constitutional debt brake does not apply in exceptional situations like these: ?What the budget balance will look like in the end of the year is not the issue for us.? In the current situation, the German government is opening a historically unprecedented rescue umbrella for the economy, covering everyone from small self-employed and freelancers to large corporations. ?We will do everything possible,? assured<https://www.ft.com/content/1b0f0324-6530-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5> Federal Finance Minister Scholz. The framework for providing guarantees, in a total amount of half a trillion euros, is only the beginning, states Federal Minister of Economics Altmaier.
Thus, in the crisis we are all Keynesians again. Unlike after the 2008 recession, we must not return to austerity after the crisis. After decades of austerity policies, many services are exhausted: health and education, local government, transport infrastructure, the German armed forces, and the police. In order to counter widespread fears of losing control, to prepare the economy and society for the digital revolution and, last but not least, to combat climate change, investments of historic proportions are necessary.
Social Democracy Can Save Us from the Crisis
The global crisis has raised awareness of how vulnerable hyperglobalization has made us. In a globally networked world, pandemics can and do spread across borders at high speed. Global supply chains are all too easily cut. The financial markets are vulnerable. Right-wing populists want to close the borders and isolate themselves from the world ? but that is the wrong answer to the global challenges of epidemics, wars, migration, trade and climate change. Rather, our goal should be to address the root causes of these crises. To do this, the global economy must be placed on a more resilient foundation.
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Image from U.S. history textbook used in Catholic primary schools in 1915. Text appearing with image: ?They wanted to have their own assemblies levy the tax.? (Internet Archive Book Images, Flickr)
In the wake of the Corona crisis, global supply chains are already reorganizing. Shorter supply chains, for example, with American production facilities in Mexico and European facilities in Eastern Europe, create more stability. Technologically, Europe must become sovereign again. To do this, we need to cooperate much more closely in research and development. The global financial system, which is held together by not more more than duct tape, urgently needs re-ordering. For over a decade, central banks have not been able to counter deflationary trends through monetary policies. In the crisis, governments with expansionary fiscal policies are jumping aside. Politically, this means a return to the the founding logic of parliamentarianism, the principle of ?No taxation without representation.? In other words, the financial systems must be put back under democratic control.
Conflicts arise from excessive interdependence. These conflicts must be cushioned by international norms and multilateral cooperation. The World Health Organization?s competent crisis management demonstrates the effectiveness of multilateral cooperation in combating the pandemic. Unlike the 2008 financial crisis, however, this time there is no coordinated response from the twenty largest economies. The geopolitical rivalry of the great powers on the one hand and the right-wing populist call for isolation on the other hand stand in the way of greater international cooperation. The existing elements of multilateral governance need to be strengthened with concrete contributions. This can begin by providing more solid funding to the World Health Organization and continuing with a G20 meeting to coordinate economic crisis management. Here the Alliance of Multilateralists can prove its value added.
The crisis has made it drastically clear to the populace that the status quo cannot continue. The desire for a fundamental reorganisation of our economic activity and collective life has never been greater. At the same time, existential dangers must be fended off without disproportionately restricting democracy and freedoms. Which political power can negotiate the necessary social compromises to pull this off? The American political scientist Sheri Berman has posed an anxious question: ?Can social democrats save the world (again)?? Let?s get it done.
Marc Saxer heads the Asia department of the Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung (FES). Previously he worked in the FES regional office in India and Thailand and he coordinated the project Economy of Tomorrow in Asia.
This article is from International Politics and Society.<https://www.ips-journal.eu/index.php?id=344&L=0&tx_news_pi1%5Bnews%5D=4180&tx_news_pi1%5Bcontroller%5D=News&tx_news_pi1%5Baction%5D=detail&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=en_768_20200324&cHash=2f997a800ad2103cba008a355c6d9983> You can read the original in German here.<https://www.ipg-journal.de/regionen/global/artikel/detail/epochenbruch-4170/>
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Mar 25 01:10:26 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 20:10:26 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The best general account I've seen
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https://www.ips-journal.eu/index.php?id=344&L=0&tx_news_pi1%5Bnews%5D=4180&tx_news_pi1%5Bcontroller%5D=News&tx_news_pi1%5Baction%5D=detail&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=en_768_20200324&cHash=2f997a800ad2103cba008a355c6d9983


From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Mar 25 01:51:34 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 20:51:34 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Blocked by FB
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May have been a glitch. Here?s the gist:

Chomsky gives a grim assessment of the government?s response to COVID-19: ?There?s a concept of economy and efficiency. You should have just enough beds for what you need tomorrow. You shouldn?t prepare for the future. Right? So the hospital system?s crashing. Simple things like tests which you can easily get in a country South Korea, you can?t get here. So the coronavirus, which should be controlled in a functioning society, is going out of hand here. We?re just not ready for it. What we?re good at, what our leaders are good at, and have been very good at for the last 40 years, is pouring money into the pockets of the rich and the corporate executives while everything else crashes.?

> On Mar 23, 2020, at 6:25 AM, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Too bad - where is proof that FB blocked this - FB seldom blocks much - they allow lies like Chomsky's about depleted uranium - he bought into Rokke's lies too - to be freely posted.
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> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 9:08 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> https://freewillibrary.blogspot.com/2020/03/noam-chomsky-on-primary-media-criticism.html
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Wed Mar 25 17:08:51 2020
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:08:51 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [HumanRights] A (draft) global call - input
 sought
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From friend Max Qumseyeh, still working for peace and justice.

> *A (draft) global call from Palestine Action for the Planet*
> [Please email us private feedback and/or if you like to help
> info at palestinenature.org . This is also  posted at
> https://popular-resistance.blogspot.com/2020/03/global-call.html  where you
> can leave public comments/criticism etc.]
> 
> World War II transformed our planet in ways not foreseen before including
> creating instruments like the United Nations ostensibly to stop wars and
> conflict and encourage cooperation across borders. Yet, we had many wars &
> economic blockades and inequality that killed tens of millions of people
> since 1945. A large part of this had to do with the flawed system created:
> the dominance of five nations at the  UN, the presumption that challenges
> in 1945 are the same as our challenges decades later, and the hegemony of
> the United States thought to be more benevelonet than others as a policeman
> of the world (including the use of the US dollar in global trade and
> reserve currency even after the US dropped the Bretton Woods agreement in
> 1971). The IMF and World Bank instruments also drifted to become tools of
> hegemony and control.
> 
> This system whether one thinks it worked for a while or not is clearly
> unsustainable in the 2020s and beyond - era of global challenges like
> climate change and pandemics. The COVID-19 crisis showed clearly that we
> cannot continue in this system of supposed ?growth? in certain national
> economies via rampant uncontrolled capitalism and hegemony of rich
> individuals or corporations who can and do usurp democracy via mass media.
> The rich thus got richer and the poor poorer even in supposed rich
> countries. This old system is threatening our collective survival as a
> species and has direct negative impact on our planet.The global climate
> crisis and increased frequency of pandemics in an interconnected world
> highlight the need for a new global system of sustainable human and natural
> communities. To do this, we humans of all backgrounds, living throughout
> this planet must work together to create new paradigms and systems. We
> collectively make this urgent call to restructure, not just to face this
> COVID-19 crisis, but to face climate change and future global challenges.
> 
> Boldly, we demand and will work towards these objectives:
> 
> 1)  This program when developed with the widest participation of
> professionals and the general public will build on the excellent UN
> Sustainable Development Goals (https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/) and
> other conventions such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (
> https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/). Building on
> those is with the aim of sustainability and survival of our species and
> our fragile ecosystems.
> 
> 2) Measuring development by GDP or the averaged PPP (GDP per person
> averaged at a national level) is a misleading approach and ignores human
> needs. We demand that governments do not burden future generations with
> debt and illusion of growth that is profiting few at the expense of the
> many. The earth has plenty of resources and production to keep all of us
> healthy and well fed when we reset our priorities towards: social services
> (elderly, those in need), agriculture (especially permaculture), health,
> education, and research (technological advances that help sustainability).
> Currently much of the world's economy is spent on the military, wars, and a
> "security" in general (increasingly militarized police) and much unneeded
> infrastructure that destroys our planet. Even a small fraction of what a
> country like the US spends annually on military would be enough to cure
> hunger that kills tens of thousands every year that is properly (food)
> "security".
> 
> 3) We must abandon our consumerist ways by living simply and humbly and
> reducing our footprints on this earth. We aim for zero-waste, for using
> renewable energy, for growing our own food in our own communities, and for
> cleaner, and healthier environment for all of us (humans, fauna, flora).
> 
> 4) We can choose to respond to crises without giving-up on our liberties.
> History has shown that national authorities remove our liberties in crisis
> and they rarely return them in full. To address this, citizens must vote
> directly on certain issues and all measures must expire and if need be
> renewed in reasonable dates via vote of citizens.
> 
> 5) Nationalism as a political organizational structure has run its course
> and like other systems before it (city-states, kingdoms, and empires) must
> now evolve into a new system to face new realities of global threats. The
> nature of a new system needs significant thinking, but it is clear that to
> respond to an increasingly global crisis (climate change and pandemics), we
> have to have both local empowerment and global systems of joint struggle
> and solidarity. A corollary of this is that certain natural resources like
> the Amazon rainforest and oceans must be protected as a planetary resource,
> and not left to the whims of national systems that can shift quickly for
> greed and imperialism. Thus, we must strengthen local communities,
> particularly native people. Corollary is that we must limit national
> authority and create new systems that challenge colonialism, racism,
> sexism, and exploitation.
> 
> 6) Reduce, Recycle, Refuse Refuse. Reduce our use of water (e.g. via
> compost toilets, proper water management, etc) and of material and supplies
> (living humbly). Reduce solid wastes, plastics, and fossil fuels (towards
> final elimination). Recycle what cannot be eliminated. But most
> significantly refuse the urge to shop (consumerism).
> 
> 7) Increase vegetation (preferably with native trees and bushes) globally
> 
> 8)   Deal with human overpopulation (including family counseling, reducing
> unwanted pregnancies etc).
> 
> 9) Reconnect to nature and learn from it. Ecosystem balance must be
> restored and we humans must recognize ourselves as part of nature and we
> must live in harmony with nature.
> 
> https://www.palestinenature.org/palestine-action
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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 19:02:54 2020
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:02:54 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Dr. Aisha Jumaan: US/Saudi blockade & war on Yemen
 must end now
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1. Please share Shireen's article on Facebook.

5 Years of U.S.-Saudi War Have Left Yemen Highly Vulnerable to a
Coronavirus Outbreak
Any U.S. response to the global pandemic must end the war.
BY SHIREEN AL-ADEIMI
http://inthesetimes.com/article/22404/yemen-war-saudi-arabia-united-states-coronavirus-medical-system

2. Please retweet Shireen's tweet.

https://twitter.com/shireen818/status/1242542719391748097

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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 22:15:35 2020
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:15:35 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Congress: End Yemen War Now,
 Before COVID19 Strikes -- Dr. Aisha Jumaan
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Under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, every single Member of the House
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From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:19:47 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Shireen Al-Adeimi: "Tonight we mark 5 years of the
 Saudi/US war on Yemen"
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Thu Mar 26 22:19:59 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 22:19:59 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] sneer,  jeer,  smear
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Keywords  032620 

sneer,  jeer,  smear (S-J-S) sequence 
  (used routinely & constantly in online polemics) ? RSz.  
?
SNEER  (sn?r)  n. 
1. A scornful facial expression characterized by a slight raising of one corner of the upper lip.
2. A scornful tone or statement.
v.intr.  1. To assume a scornful or derisive facial expression.
       2. To speak in a scornful or derisive manner.
v.tr.  To utter with a sneer or in a sneering manner.
>  sneer at,   sneer at (someone or something)
1. Literally, contort one's face into a disdainful, scornful, or condescending expression because of and directed at someone or something.
+  Sarah just sneered at me when I invited her to my party.
+  The king sneered at the artist's portrait, claiming it looked nothing like him.
2. By extension, to regard someone or something with haughty disdain, scorn, condescension, etc.
+  I feel like the rest of the world is sneering at us because of our outdated, backwards laws.
+  I used to sneer at the idea of working in a cubicle for eight hours a day, but once I had kids and needed steady income, it stopped sounding so unappealing.
  ?  Farlex Dictionary of Idioms 
>  sneer at someone or something
to make a haughty or deprecating face at someone or something; to show one's contempt for someone or something. +  I asked her politely to give me some more room, and she just sneered at me. 
+  Jamie sneered at the report that Ken had submitted.
  ? McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs

JEER
jeer  (j?r)    v.intr.  To speak or shout derisively; mock.
v.tr.  To abuse vocally; taunt: jeered the speaker off the stage.
n.  A scoffing or taunting remark or shout.
vb  (often foll by at) to laugh or scoff (at a person or thing); mock
n  a remark or cry of derision; gibe; taunt
v.i.  1. to speak or shout derisively; scoff or gibe rudely.
v.t.  2. to speak or shout derisively at; taunt; mock.
  3. to drive away by derisive shouts (fol. by out of, off, etc.): to jeer an actor off the stage.
n.  4. a jeering utterance; derisive or rude gibe.  [1555?65]
? the online Free Dictionary by Farlex

SMEAR
v.tr.  1. a. To spread or daub (a surface, for example) with a sticky, greasy, or dirty substance.
b. To apply by spreading or daubing: smeared suntan lotion on my face and arms.
c. To cause to be blurry or spread in unwanted places: The ink on the poster was smeared.
2. To stain or attempt to destroy the reputation of; vilify: political enemies who smeared his name.
3. Slang To defeat utterly.
v.intr. To spread easily in an undesired way: This mascara smears when it gets wet.
n.  1. A mark made by smearing; a spot or blot.
2. A substance to be spread on a surface.
3. Biology A sample, as of blood or bacterial cells, spread on a slide for microscopic examination or on the surface of a culture medium.
4. a. Vilification or slander.
b. A vilifying or slanderous remark.
? American Heritage? Dictionary of the English Language, 
vb (mainly tr)  1. to bedaub or cover with oil, grease, etc
2. to rub over or apply thickly
3. to rub so as to produce a smudge
4. to slander
5. slang US to defeat completely
6. (intr) to be or become smeared or dirtied
n  7. a dirty mark or smudge
8.  a. a slanderous attack
b. (as modifier): smear tactics.
9. (Medicine) a preparation of blood, secretions, etc, smeared onto a glass slide for examination under a microscope
 ?Collins English Dictionary 
v.t.  1. to spread or daub (an oily, greasy, viscous, or wet substance) on or over something: to smear butter on bread.
2. to spread or daub an oily, greasy, viscous, or wet substance on.
3. to stain, spot, or make dirty with something oily, greasy, viscous, or wet.
4. to sully, vilify, or soil (a reputation, good name, etc.).
5. to smudge or blur, as by rubbing: The signature was smeared.
6. Slang. to defeat decisively; overwhelm.  
n. 7. an oily, greasy, viscous, or wet substance, esp. a dab of such a substance.
8. a stain, spot, or mark made by such a substance.
9. a smudge.
10. vilification; defamation.
11. something smeared or to be smeared on a thing, as a glaze for pottery.
12. a small quantity of something spread thinly on a slide for microscopic examination.
? Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary,
Smear of curriers: a company of men skilled in dressing and colouring tanned leather, 1476.
Examples: smear of curriers, 1486; of gynaecologists?Mensa.
? Dictionary of Collective Nouns and Group Terms. 
===

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Thu Mar 26 22:19:59 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 22:19:59 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] sneer,  jeer,  smear
Message-ID: <CH2PR11MB434493B614EC877F427B6C148CCF0@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Keywords  032620 

sneer,  jeer,  smear (S-J-S) sequence 
  (used routinely & constantly in online polemics) ? RSz.  
?
SNEER  (sn?r)  n. 
1. A scornful facial expression characterized by a slight raising of one corner of the upper lip.
2. A scornful tone or statement.
v.intr.  1. To assume a scornful or derisive facial expression.
       2. To speak in a scornful or derisive manner.
v.tr.  To utter with a sneer or in a sneering manner.
>  sneer at,   sneer at (someone or something)
1. Literally, contort one's face into a disdainful, scornful, or condescending expression because of and directed at someone or something.
+  Sarah just sneered at me when I invited her to my party.
+  The king sneered at the artist's portrait, claiming it looked nothing like him.
2. By extension, to regard someone or something with haughty disdain, scorn, condescension, etc.
+  I feel like the rest of the world is sneering at us because of our outdated, backwards laws.
+  I used to sneer at the idea of working in a cubicle for eight hours a day, but once I had kids and needed steady income, it stopped sounding so unappealing.
  ?  Farlex Dictionary of Idioms 
>  sneer at someone or something
to make a haughty or deprecating face at someone or something; to show one's contempt for someone or something. +  I asked her politely to give me some more room, and she just sneered at me. 
+  Jamie sneered at the report that Ken had submitted.
  ? McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs

JEER
jeer  (j?r)    v.intr.  To speak or shout derisively; mock.
v.tr.  To abuse vocally; taunt: jeered the speaker off the stage.
n.  A scoffing or taunting remark or shout.
vb  (often foll by at) to laugh or scoff (at a person or thing); mock
n  a remark or cry of derision; gibe; taunt
v.i.  1. to speak or shout derisively; scoff or gibe rudely.
v.t.  2. to speak or shout derisively at; taunt; mock.
  3. to drive away by derisive shouts (fol. by out of, off, etc.): to jeer an actor off the stage.
n.  4. a jeering utterance; derisive or rude gibe.  [1555?65]
? the online Free Dictionary by Farlex

SMEAR
v.tr.  1. a. To spread or daub (a surface, for example) with a sticky, greasy, or dirty substance.
b. To apply by spreading or daubing: smeared suntan lotion on my face and arms.
c. To cause to be blurry or spread in unwanted places: The ink on the poster was smeared.
2. To stain or attempt to destroy the reputation of; vilify: political enemies who smeared his name.
3. Slang To defeat utterly.
v.intr. To spread easily in an undesired way: This mascara smears when it gets wet.
n.  1. A mark made by smearing; a spot or blot.
2. A substance to be spread on a surface.
3. Biology A sample, as of blood or bacterial cells, spread on a slide for microscopic examination or on the surface of a culture medium.
4. a. Vilification or slander.
b. A vilifying or slanderous remark.
? American Heritage? Dictionary of the English Language, 
vb (mainly tr)  1. to bedaub or cover with oil, grease, etc
2. to rub over or apply thickly
3. to rub so as to produce a smudge
4. to slander
5. slang US to defeat completely
6. (intr) to be or become smeared or dirtied
n  7. a dirty mark or smudge
8.  a. a slanderous attack
b. (as modifier): smear tactics.
9. (Medicine) a preparation of blood, secretions, etc, smeared onto a glass slide for examination under a microscope
 ?Collins English Dictionary 
v.t.  1. to spread or daub (an oily, greasy, viscous, or wet substance) on or over something: to smear butter on bread.
2. to spread or daub an oily, greasy, viscous, or wet substance on.
3. to stain, spot, or make dirty with something oily, greasy, viscous, or wet.
4. to sully, vilify, or soil (a reputation, good name, etc.).
5. to smudge or blur, as by rubbing: The signature was smeared.
6. Slang. to defeat decisively; overwhelm.  
n. 7. an oily, greasy, viscous, or wet substance, esp. a dab of such a substance.
8. a stain, spot, or mark made by such a substance.
9. a smudge.
10. vilification; defamation.
11. something smeared or to be smeared on a thing, as a glaze for pottery.
12. a small quantity of something spread thinly on a slide for microscopic examination.
? Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary,
Smear of curriers: a company of men skilled in dressing and colouring tanned leather, 1476.
Examples: smear of curriers, 1486; of gynaecologists?Mensa.
? Dictionary of Collective Nouns and Group Terms. 
===

From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Mar 27 05:32:44 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 00:32:44 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] You really should consider watching Jimmy Dore on
 life & death, banking
Message-ID: <0123f7ae-185d-0417-1d38-1e70fe3e6b86@forestfield.org>

Jimmy Dore has good takes and interesting guests on his show regarding how COVID-19 
is being dealt with economically. Among those episodes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0960H3hDxc -- California banks suspend mortgages for 
4 months for COVID-19 sufferers except for Bank of America which suspends for 30 days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-7uro3A3qU -- with Dylan Ratigan on the stimulus 
bill including some news on how little ordinary people are likely to get out of the 
deal. It's not over yet, this is still a developing story where the proposals and 
figures change every few days, it seems.



Meanwhile, establishment media uncritically covers people who endorse death via COVID-19:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it5jdr-YKbc -- Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick on Tucker 
Carlson's FOX News show endorsed letting seniors die for the economy:

> Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick: ...living in fear of what's happening to this country. And
> you know, Tucker, no one reached out to me and said as a senior citizen are you
> willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that
> all America loves for your children and grandchildren. And if that's the exchange,
> I'm all-in.
Or the CNBC host who endorsed purposefully spreading COVID-19 to kill those who have 
a greater chance of death from infection:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-5Q628JDwE -- CNBC host:

> CNBC Host: Think about how the world would be if you tried to quarantine everybody
> because of the generic-type flu. Now I'm not saying this is the generic-type flu.
> Maybe we'd be better off if we just gave it [COVID-19] to everybody and then in a
> month it would be over because the mortality rate of this isn't probably isn't
> gonna be any different if we did it that way than the long-term picture...


Related note: Speaking of Tucker Carlson (referenced in the Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick 
quote above), Carlson had on some good guests on other life & death matters such Anya 
Parampil and Aaron Mate from the Grayzone on the alleged gas attack in Douma which 
appears to have been staged (a 4th OPCW leaker has said as much now) and Russiagate 
(Russiagate ostensibly helps justify anti-Russian sanctions and sanctions are war).

But Carlson was among those who got Coronavirus very wrong, chastising a CNN report 
about what China was doing to help Italy. Carlson claimed this report meant that CNN 
had "practically becom[e] emissaries for Beijing". Carlson called COVID-19 "The 
Chinese Coronavirus" on his titling, and Carlson said CNN was "pushing China's 
agenda" in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfXHmW6SJEc. According to Carlson, the 
excerpted CNN report was "just pure bootlicking, flacking for the Communist Chinese 
government". I understand that FOX News has since done a sharp (and uncredited) 
turnaround in their reporting which means they're doing better reporting on COVID-19 
now but they remain remarkably hypocritical in not acknowledging how utterly wrong 
their reporting was earlier. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKbwDf51bA for some 
clips of this shift in reportage and hypocrisy.

-J

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Fri Mar 27 13:31:29 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 08:31:29 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Oh just get out of Iraq for godsake
References: <5e7dfcaedc918_3c3b3f88743b9bec16410a5@ip-10-0-0-214.mail>
Message-ID: <F30176DF-BA88-4117-85C1-B92CF2A81B44@newsfromneptune.com>



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: World BEYOND War <info at worldbeyondwar.org>
> Subject: Oh just get out of Iraq for godsake
> Date: March 27, 2020 at 8:16:31 AM CDT
> To: cge at shout.net
> Reply-To: info at worldbeyondwar.org
> 
>  <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mps2/c/-wA/ni0YAA/t.30f/p64VUyJ-Qjuzo2HB13gidw/h0/aw3zVkRECbVHWdE16RGtNUxe2dAucu-2BAqZakX-2FxU8HV335h8-2BZXrqqGqHK6ztnEw3r9bKYzUXJ8wBxWxICkmmTl17OSELzK0eT8Gjzusrw1bxhlTh-2BlLSHG8ywB4GnKeGKLJTyV2DYQu1FY06ofGR5ddsjWvtv7SqZ1YcrKKwade18JnYWbJ-2BwwTOiG9CuJAJFt3Qn0l-2Bg1bAJ-2BKBaD34JHLyZ33BVro9Pz2gW-2BFCdvHgH6UHlrm-2BLrg2RICsAxIJscBaG267Ck3nrtIssVOCg-3D-3D/wnPr>
> A message in support of this petition from Mairead Maguire, Nobel Peace Laureate:
> "I was in Iraq during the sanctions put on by USA and was horrified to visit hospitals where Iraq children died, without medicine as a result of these barbaric sanctions and war against Iraq. It is estimated that over half a million Iraqi children under age 6 died as a result of sanctions, and I am very sorry and ask for the forgiveness of all those who lost children and families due to the perpetual sanctions and war against their country. It is overdue that USA respect the wishes of Iraqi people and their government and leave Iraq immediately."
> 
> Just the phase of the mass killing and destruction of Iraq that began 17 years ago this month, assessed by the most scientifically respected measures available, killed over 1.4 million Iraqis.
> 
> Join us now in demanding once and for all: U.S. troops out of Iraq! <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mps2/c/-wA/ni0YAA/t.30f/p64VUyJ-Qjuzo2HB13gidw/h1/CA0gLXQEKb6jqGkD7RqZiVCso-2FILbuaAIEEtVZapgA-2FG5qGEho5q-2FPoU36yIe8mN8ZC6z4rBX1CT-2BWwtUdc3MwDRMcCau0R61Psw8Jk9N8DMZoVfQPaleqsB19xkDBfjzT-2BE-2Bdm1x1g6CzUPu2JuVwZVnWvmm5vIqSIdE-2B1YKmUhONAUKtZOVPPbFI3z27V79uqhLmZ-2BxQD6evMkPijbt-2FPmgF64Lo6O4OLSBwx6vJzYGOsf5EBzwSgsmqdli-2BijmCPnYwCHHLtOtNCuC3gy0HQRXYpZKtDjB4ax2su9WTdiF9EFVxmniuUx-2FoC3SS9e/krdJ>
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> While U.S. troops have been reduced in Iraq, they have never been removed. In January, the Iraqi Parliament voted that all U.S. troops should leave. The U.S. government has refused to leave, and has instead proposed installing ("defensive") missiles in Iraq targeting Iran. While Iran is depicted in U.S. media as an evil enemy, the U.S. military does not claim that Iran is a threat to the actual United States, only to U.S. troops near Iran and U.S. "interests." The refusal to leave and the decision to install missiles endanger Iraq, Iran, the entire region, and a world at risk of nuclear escalation and climate collapse that cannot afford any more wars.
> 
> The terrorist attack on Baghdad 17 years ago, which was intended to ?shock and awe? people into terror and submission, followed months of pro-war propaganda in U.S. corporate media and from the U.S. government.
> 
> Senate Foreign Relations Chair Joe Biden promoted the White House?s lies about weapons of mass destruction, pushed hard for war, and orchestrated hearings that excluded dissenting voices.
> 
> Many were fooled or claimed to be. Donald Trump?s last public comment on the war before it started was that he supported it.
> 
> It is now popular in U.S. politics to deny having supported the war, even to claim to have ended it. But there is virtually no discussion of the moral and practical necessity of complying with the wishes of the Iraqi government ? wishes that line up with a demand that many of us have been making for 17 years ? to withdraw all U.S. troops and mercenaries and bases and weapons from Iraqi soil.
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> >> CNN: ?Iraqi Parliament Votes for Plan to End U.S. Troop Presence in Iraq After Soleimani Killing? <https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/mps2/c/-wA/ni0YAA/t.30f/p64VUyJ-Qjuzo2HB13gidw/h6/YezmGHf9FoazvKIdtopakvF-2FeHJ5gbtdicCxPetIercV35KwnhntLHmqFnRLruoLh56K1X7dMOPklin240xzIzsOpFtFUu6w3H3y2CgtPIldVkms9SDH3-2F1wA6EFN-2Fi40olGpbrsgWIIVN6fk-2BYxLHYdGLP6giXkTe1Sirh-2BdJRiYREdMQ0tf7-2F5jElYGWi-2BsZUuPEgkuMWOeWFjDmLkdnPuR0QIs1pcC0ZV0XL4mKw1tfEU94vrKlUPMprR8B7bx4F0tvuYmzYYNOXG-2FAZQBW5RSXd6t9w2NnP-2FP0GqYUrmWm06VuVXqPIW-2FUFLkz0Uh8ch64ZSqZwn9OzyPsl4cQ-3D-3D/dRg3>
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Fri Mar 27 17:58:47 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 12:58:47 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Innocence project
Message-ID: <C7A41503-0119-41CF-B3ED-960A3879EBFB@newsfromneptune.com>

https://www.innocenceproject.org/petitions/urge-your-governor-to-prevent-the-spread-of-covid-19-in-jails-and-prisons/?p2asource=SMS_03262020


From brussel at illinois.edu  Sat Mar 28 17:32:31 2020
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 17:32:31 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Coronovirus analyses
Message-ID: <665DE474-2734-4735-94F3-880279374AB7@illinois.edu>

From Qumseyeh:

"One of the most useful graphic analysis of strategies to deal with
coronavirus"
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

Also,

"Note: I do not know why US media outlets use the inaccurate (and in many
cases misleading data) of Johns Hopkins when they have more accurate data
like this for the world": https://youtu.be/qgylp3Td1Bw or
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/  and this for the USA
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

Quite a bit to digest, much uncertainty, but strong suggestions.

?mkb
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Sun Mar 29 01:32:03 2020
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 01:32:03 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Interview with Jill Stein
Message-ID: <1B9D63F6-1A3C-447C-8039-2D3A09E6317E@illinois.edu>

A little dated, but valuable nonetheless. She discusses the Sanders campaign, Biden, our fractured democracy(?), the failed health system, the electoral system, and Julien Assange/Chelsea Manning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOdD-lvjK7k&feature=emb_rel_pause





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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Mar 29 19:34:39 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 14:34:39 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Dan Price's twitter.com post misses the objectively
 more important point
Message-ID: <0b4ea285-3cef-391d-4fd8-9db605c20ba8@forestfield.org>

Someone who runs a company (I don't know or care which one, it doesn't really matter) 
named Dan Price posted https://twitter.com/DanPriceSeattle/status/1244014634883039232:

> 5 years ago I cut my CEO pay from $1.1M to $70k so I could pay all my employees at
> least $70k. That's not good enough anymore. Today I cut my pay to $0. I'm
> committed to laying off 0 of our employees. It's not much but it's what I can do.
> We'll get through this together.
and https://twitter.com/DanPriceSeattle/status/1244054136796196869 which reads:

> Our COO, Tammi Kroll - the highest paid person at our company - is also cutting
> her pay from $275,000 to $0. She already took a million-dollar paycut, leaving her
> Silicon Valley executive job, to come here. We've lost half our revenue but
> together we're going to have 0 layoffs.
In this thread there was only one followup -- 
https://twitter.com/CannonsGray/status/1244198575745236993 -- worth reading:

> Is this virtue signalling?

Yes, Dan Price's posts were. This thread also missed an objectively far more 
important point which powerful businesspeople are highly unlikely to ever raise: 
we've failed by allowing a system which grants this power and largesse and makes it 
voluntarily as to who gives and who benefits. The public shouldn't have to rely on 
the generosity of wealthy people to meet their basic needs. That's what the state is 
for, to make sure we all aren't poor and desperate for some wealthy people to look 
kindly upon us in our time of need.

So as generous as this is for the few people who work for Dan Price & Tammi Kroll's 
organization, the far larger national population who won't receive such a benefit 
also has a legitimate need for the things money can buy. We should not have a 
precariat. Therefore we need a system for our collective needs: programs including 
Medicare for All, a national jobs program, UBI, and more. Currently the state is 
working out a way to ensure payment to the wealthy big business owners. So it's not a 
question of what we can afford, it's a question of whom shall benefit (cui bono?). 
All of these programs are eminently affordable particularly if we gut the 
euphemistically named "defense" budget by at least 50%.

-J

From jbn at forestfield.org  Mon Mar 30 23:48:40 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 18:48:40 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Noam Chomsky on the Corona Virus (now with
 automatically generated transcript)
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR13MB2875B1C8B38CDDDF70FC01B4A3CB0@DM6PR13MB2875.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR13MB2875B1C8B38CDDDF70FC01B4A3CB0@DM6PR13MB2875.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
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Karen Aram wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-N3In2rLI4

Here's a rush transcript (meaning this comes straight out of the speech-to-text 
transcriber, to some light editing by yours truly, to your email client). Maybe this 
in text format will help you locate this email with a full text search...or maybe 
it'll help the robots advance on us all. One or the other.

Enjoy.

> Srecko Horvat (Host): Welcome to another 'World After Corona Virus'. I am really
> happy and honoured for this special episode, because there is a special guest,
> joining us today. And that special guest is, not only mine but a hero of many
> generations. Both of us are unfortunately in self- isolation, so this is also very
> a special occasion, but without further introduction I think most of you, who are
> watching this know who is Noam Chomsky and I am so glad that Noam is joining us
> today. Hello Noam, could you just tell us, where are you, are you already in self-
> isolation and for how long?
> 
> Noam Chomsky: Well, I am in Tucson, Arizona in self-isolation. So, you wrote, you
> were born in 1928 And you wrote your first essay, as far as I know, when you were
> only ten years old, which was an essay on the Spanish civil war. Actually just
> after the fall of Barcelona and so that was 1938, which looks very far away, for
> my generation. You survived the second world war, Hiroshima, you were a witness to
> Hiroshima, you were a witness to many very big important political, historic
> events, from the Vietnam War, to the oil crisis, to the fall of the Berlin wall.
> Before that, you where a witness to Chernobyl, after that in the 90s, you where a
> witness to a historical moment which was leading to 9/11, which was also a global
> event and most recently, I mean I am trying to really shorten a long history of a
> lifetime of someone like you, but the most recent event was the financial crash of
> 2007 and 2008. So in this background, of such a rich life and being a witness and
> also an actor in this major historical processes, 'how do you look at the current
> corona virus crisis? Is it an unprecedented historical event, is it something
> which surprised you? How do you look at it? That would be my question. I should
> say that my earliest memories which are haunting me now, are from the 1930s, the
> article that you mentioned on the fall of Barcelona was acting mainly about the,
> apparently, inexorable spread of the fascist plague all over the, all over Europe
> and how it was gonna end. I later, did much later discovered, when internal
> documents came out, that the analyst of the U.S government, at the time and the
> following years expected, that the war would end with, the end of the war was
> coming, that the war would end with, the world divided into U.S dominated air
> regions and a German dominated region. So my childhood fears were not entirely out
> of place. And these memories come back now. I can recall, when I was a child, a
> young child listening to Hitler's Nuremberg rallies over the radio, I couldn't
> understand the words but you could easily understand the mood and the threat and
> so on, and I have to say when I listen to Donald Trump's rallies today, it
> resonates. It's not that he's a fascist, he doesn't have that much of an ideology,
> he's just a sociopath, but an individual concerned with himself, but the mood and
> the fears is similar and the idea that the fate of the country and the world is in
> the hands of a sociopathic buffoon, is shocking. The coronavirus is serious enough
> but it's worth recalling that there is a much greater horror approaching, we are
> racing to the edge of disaster, far worse then anything that's happened in human
> history. And Donald Trump and his minions are in the lead, in racing to the abyss.
> In fact there are two immense threats that we are facing. One is the growing
> threat of nuclear war, which has exacerbated it by the tearing what's left of the
> arms control regime and the other of course is the growing threat of global
> warming. Both threats can be dealt, but there isn't a lot of time and the corona
> virus is a horrible can have terrifying consequences But there will be recovery,
> while the others won't be recovered, it's finished. If we don't deal with them,
> we're done. And so the childhood memories are coming back to haunt me, but a
> different dimension. The threat of nuclear war didn't get a sense of where the
> world really is, by looking to early, to this January, as may you know every year
> the doomsday clock is set, set with the minute-hand at certain distance from
> midnight, which means termination. But, ever since Trump was elected, the minute
> hand has been moving closer and closer to midnight. Last year it was two minutes
> to midnight. The highest, matching the highest it ever reached. This year the
> analysts dispensed with minutes, started moving to seconds, 100 seconds to
> midnight That's the closest it's ever been. Sighting three things: The threat of
> nuclear war, threat of global warming and the deterioration of democracy, which
> doesn't quite belong into here but it does, because that's the only, hope that we
> have, for overcoming the crisis and in for [inaudible] public taking control of
> their fate, if that doesn't happen, we are doomed. If we are leaving our fate to
> sociopathic buffoons, we're finished. And that's coming close, Trump is the worst,
> that's because of US Power, which is overwhelming. We are talking about U.S
> decline, but you just look at the world, you don't see that when the U.S imposes
> sanctions, murderers, devastating sanctions, that's the only country that can do
> that, but everyone has to follow. Europe may not like, in fact hate actions on
> Iran, but they have to follow, they have to follow the master, or else they get
> kicked out of the international financial system. That's not a law of nature it's a
> decision in Europe to be subordinate to the master in Washington, other countries
> don't even have a choice. And back to the Coronavirus, one of the most shocking,
> harsh aspects of it, is the use of sanctions, to maximize the pain, perfectly
> consciously, Iran is in a zone, enormous internal problems. By the stranglehold of
> tightening sanctions, which are consciously designed, openly, to make the suffer
> and suffer bitterly now. Cuba has been suffering from it, from the moment, where
> it gained independence, but it's astonishing, that they survived but they stayed
> resilient and one of the most ironic elements of today's virus crisis, is that
> Cuba is helping Europe. I mean this is so shocking, that you don't know how to
> describe it. That Germany can't help Greece, but Cuba can help the European
> countries. If you stop to think about what that means, all the words fail, just as
> when you see thousands of people dying in the Mediterranean, fleeing from a
> region, that has been devastated for centuries and being sent to the deaths in the
> Mediterranean, you don't know what words to use. The crisis, the civilizational
> crisis of the West at this point is devastating, to think of them and it does
> bring up childhood memories of listening to Hitler raving on the radio to raucous
> crowds it makes you wonder if this species is even viable.
> 
> Srecko Horvat (Host): You mentioned the crisis of democracy, At this moment I
> think we find ourselves also in a historically unprecedented situation, in the
> sense that almost 2 billion people, that's a figure I found today, are in one or
> the other way confined at home, whether it is isolation, self-isolation or
> quarantine. Almost 2 billion people in the world are at home, if they are lucky
> enough to have a home. At the same time what we can witness is that Europe, but
> also other countries, closed their borders, not only internal ones but outer
> borders. There is an estate of exception in all the countries we can think of,
> which means curfew in many countries, such as France, Serbia, Spain, Italy and
> other countries, army on the streets and what I want to ask you as a linguist, Is
> the length language which is now, circulating around. If you listen not just to
> Donald Trump, if you listen to Macron, also some other European politicians, you
> will constantly hear that they speak about, war. And even the media speak about
> doctors who are on the first "front line" and the virus is called an enemy. Which
> reminded me of course also, not of childhood memories, luckily but a book which
> was written at that time, Victor Klemperer, "Lingua tertii imperii" the book
> which, which is a book about the language of the Third Reich and in which way
> through the language, the ideology was imposed, so from your perspective, what
> does this discourse about war, tell us and why do they present a virus as an
> enemy, is it just to legitimize the new state of exception or is there something
> deeper in this discourse?
> 
> Noam Chomsky: In this case, [it's important to] protect the rhetoric, but I think
> it's not exaggerated. It has some significance. The meaning is, that if we want to
> deal with the crisis, we have to move to something like wartime mobilization. So
> if you think of, take a rich country, like United States, it has the resources to
> overcome the immediate economic The mobilization for the Second World War, led the
> country into far greater debt than is contemplated today and was very a successful
> mobilization, practically quadrupled the U.S manufacturing, ended the depression,
> left the country with [inaudible] instead, but a capacity to grow. That's less
> than we need probably, not on that scale it's not like this in a world war, but we
> need the mentality of the movement, of a social ??? is to try to overcome the
> short-run crisis, which is severe. Also here we, can recall the swine flue
> epidemic in 2009, to originated in the U.S. Couple hundreds thousand people, at
> the first sight recovered from worst, but it has to be dealt with, That's a rich
> country like the States. Now there's two billion people, the majority are in
> India. What happens for Indian, they live from hand to mouth, who's isolated,
> starves to death. What's gonna happen? In a civilized world, the rich countries
> would be giving assistance, after those who were in need, instead of strangling
> them, which is what we are doing, particularly in India but in much of the world.
> The kind of crisis, you know whether the crisis can be within a country like
> India, I don't know, bear in mind that the, with current tendencies if they
> persist South Asia, is going to be unlivable in a few decades. The temperature
> reached a 50 degrees, in Rajasthan this summer and it's increasing. The waters
> right now, could get even worse, there's two nuclear powers, they're gonna be
> fighting over restricting reduced water supplies. I mean the corona virus is very
> serious, we can't underestimate it, but we have to remember that it's a fraction,
> small fraction of major crisis, that are coming along. They may not disrupt life
> to the extent, that the corona virus does today, but they will disrupt life to the
> point of making the species unsurvivable and not in the very distant future. So we
> have many problems to deal with, well, immediate ones, corona virus is serious,
> has to be dealt with and much larger ones, vastly larger ones, they're looming.
> Now, there is the civilizational crisis, we have to time possibly good side of the
> corona virus, as it may, might bring people to think about what kind of a world do
> we want? Do we want the kind of world that leads to this? We should think about
> the origins of this crisis, why is there a corona virus crisis? Its a colossal
> market failure, it goes right back to the essence of markets, exacerbated by the
> neoliberal, savage, neoliberal intensification of deep social economic problems.
> It was known for a long time, that pandemics are very likely and it was
> understood, very well understood, that there likely to be corona virus pandemic
> slight modifications of the SARS epidemic, 15 years ago it was overcome, the
> viruses were identified, sequenced, vaccines were available, labs around the
> world, could be working right then on developing protection for potential corona
> virus pandemics. Why didn't they do it? The market signals were wrong. The drug
> companies, we have handed over our fate to private tyrannies, hold corporations,
> which are unaccountable to the public, in this case, big Pharma and for them they
> make new body creams, it's more profitable, than that of finding a vaccine that
> will protect people from total destruction. It's impossible for the government to
> step in, going back to wartime mobilization, that's what happened Polio, at the
> time, I can remember very well was a terrifying threat, it was ended by the
> discovery of the Salk vaccine, by a government institution, set off by the
> Roosevelt administration. No Patents, available to everyone. That could have been
> done this time, but the neoliberal plague has blocked that. We are living under an
> ideology, for which economists have a good bit of responsibility, so which comes
> from the corporate sector. An ideology, which is typified by that Ronald Reagan
> reading the script chided to, by his corporate masters with his sunny smile, saying
> government is the problem. Let's get rid of government, which means, let's hand
> over decisions to private tyrannies, that are unaccountable with the public. On
> the other side of the Atlantic, Thatcher was instructing us, that there is a
> society, just individuals thrown into the market to survive somehow and
> furthermore, there is no alternative. The world has been suffering under the rich,
> years and it's now at the point where things, that could be done, like direct
> government intervention on the scope the invention of the Salk vaccine, but that's
> blocked for ideological reasons, coming out of the neoliberal plague and the point
> is that this corona virus epidemic could have been prevented, the information was
> there to be read, in fact it was well known in October 2019, just before the
> outbreak. There was a large scale simulation, by level simulation in the United
> States, in the world of the possible pandemic of this kind. Nothing was done, now
> the crisis was then made worse by the treachery of the political systems. We didn't
> pay attention to the information that they were aware of, on December 31st, China
> informed the World Health Organisation of pneumonia, like symptoms with unknown
> etiology. A week later, they identified, some Chinese scientists, identified it as
> a corona virus, furthermore they sequenced it and gave the information to the
> world, by then virologists, others who were bothering to read World Health
> Organization report knew, that they were Corona Virus and they knew how to deal
> with it. Did they do anything, well yes, some did. The countries in the area,
> China, Soth Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, began to do something and they have sort of
> pretty much it seems contained, at least the first surge of crisis. In Europe to
> some extent, that's happened. Germany which had, which hadn't moved, just on time,
> it has the hospital systems under the liberalism, did have spare diagnostic
> capacity and was able to act in a highly selfish fashion, not helping others but
> for itself at least, to have a reasonable containment Other countries just ignored
> it, the worst of them the United Kingdom and the worst of all was the United
> States, which happens to be led by [inaudible] who says, you know one day there's
> no crisis, it's just like flu, the next day it's a terrible crisis, I knew it all
> along, the next day we have to give it for business, because I have to win the
> election. The Idea that the world is in these hands, is shocking, but the point is
> that it started with it, again, a colossal market failure by pointing to
> fundamental problems the social economic order, made much worse by the neoliberal
> plague and it continues, because of the collapse of the kinds of institutional
> structures, that could deal with it, if they were functioning. These are topics
> that we ought to be thinking about seriously and thinking in more depth about, as
> I said, what kind of world do we want to live in? If we overcome somehow, there
> will be options. The options range from the installation of highly authoritarian
> brutal States all the way over to radical reconstruction to society and more
> humane terms, concerned with human needs of private profit. That we should bear in
> mind, that highly authoritarian vicious states are quite compatible with neo-
> liberalism, in fact, the [inaudible] of neo-liberalism from [inaudible] to Hayek
> the rest, were perfectly happy with massive state violence, as long as it
> supported what they called sound economics. Neo-liberalism has it's origins in
> 1920s Vienna, from [inaudible] could barely contain in his delight, in the
> proto-fascist of the Austrian state and smashed the labor unions and Austrian
> social democracy and joined the early proto-fascist government, praised it.
> praised fascism, in fact, because of his protecting sound economics. When Pinochet
> installed a murderer's brutal dictatorship in Chile, they all loved it, they all
> fought there, [inaudible] helped out of this marvelous miracle, that was bringing
> sound economics, great profit to it, for harness up some small part of the
> population. So, it's not out of line to think, of a savage neoliberal system might
> be reinstalled by self-proclaimed libertarians with a powerful state violence,
> imposing, that's one part, one nightmare, that might come about. But it's not
> necessary, there is the possibility that people will organize, become engaged, as
> many are doing, and brings about a much better world, which will also confront the
> enormous problems, that were facing right down the road, the problems of nuclear
> war, which is closer than it's ever been and the problems of environmental
> catastrophe from which there is no recovery once we've gotten to that stage, that
> it's not far in distance, unless we act decisively. So it's a critical moment of
> human history, not just because of the corona virus, but to bring us, should bring
> us to awareness of the profound flaws the world flawed not strong enough, the
> deep, dysfunctional characteristics of the whole socio-economic system, which has
> to [inaudible], if there's going to be a survivable future. So this could be a
> warning sign and a lesson to deal with it today or prevent it from exploding, but
> thinking of it's roots and how those roots are going to lead to more crisis, worse
> ones than this, extra pay right away.
> 
> Srecko Horvat (Host): And since we don't have much time, I'll just pose one last
> question, yes, so, I think many people are interested and also us, who are active
> in social movements and mobilization and organized for decades, using physical and
> social closeness between people, but now suddenly we are all getting accustomed to
> what is now being called 'Social-distancing', so my questions is, how do you see
> the future of social resistance, in times of social distance and if this takes a
> few more months, not to mention maybe a year to two, and we are mainly in self
> isolation at home, what would be your advise to progressives around the world,
> activists, also intellectuals, students, workers, how to organize in this new
> situation? And could you perhaps tell us whether you see a hope , that instead of
> going into a global authoritarianism, this open historic situation might go in a
> radical transformation of the world, which would be green, equal, just and full of
> solidarity?
> 
> Noam Chomsky: First of all, we should bear in mind that, in the past few years,
> there has been a form of social isolation, which is very damaging. Now you go into
> a McDonald's and take a look at a bunch of teenagers, sitting around the table,
> having a hamburger, what you see is, two conversations going. One sort of shallow
> discussion among them, another the one, that each one is having on his cellphone,
> with some remote individual, who with friend. This has atomized and isolated
> people to an extraordinary extent. The Thatcher principle, there was no society,
> has escalated, the misused social media, that has turned people into very isolated
> creatures, especially young people. There are actually universities, now in the
> United States, where the sidewalk have plaques on them, saying, look up. Because
> every kid is walking around, is glued to itself. That's a form of self induced
> social isolation, which has been very harmful. We're now on a situation of real
> social isolation. It has to be overcome by recreating, social bonds in whatever
> way can be done , who need if whatever kind that can be helping people in need.
> Contacting them, developing organizations, expanding nationalization, like before I'm
> getting them to be functional and operative, making plans for the future, bringing
> people together as he can in the internet age, to join, consult deliberate to
> figure out answers to the problems that they face and work on them, which can be
> done, it's not face to-face communication which for human beings is essential. But
> it'll be deprived of it for a while, you can put it on hold find other ways and
> continue with the, and in fact, extend and deepen the activities carried out, can
> be done, it's not going to be easy, but humans have faced problem
> 
> Srecko Horvat (Host): Can I pose a question, since we are both in self-isolation?
> 
> Noam Chomsky: My dog is trying to have a conversation.
> 
> Srecko Horvat (Host): Was that before a parrot? You have a bird as well or a
> parrot? Or a bird, there was a sound of a bird, yes?
> 
> Noam Chomsky: Yes, a ????? Parrot, it can say: Sovereignty to all the people in
> Portuguese. That's better wisdom than we hear from people in Washington.

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From jbn at forestfield.org  Tue Mar 31 00:48:42 2020
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 19:48:42 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] When establishment goals, ethics,
 and identity politics collide
Message-ID: <d0b09081-29cc-fc82-6ec9-cb895d963868@forestfield.org>

Aaron Mat? retweeted a now uncomfortable reminder of the obligation that goes along 
with the phrase "believe all women" -- one must carry this burden even when it 
directly conflicts with one's choice to push establishment values. Hollywood 
celebrity Alyssa Milano's Twitter post from September 18, 2018 is coming back to 
haunt her and so many other people who have made comparable sentiments:

> You ? can?t ? pretend ?to ? be ? the? party ? of ? the ? American
> ?people ? and ? then ?not ? support ? a ? woman ? who ? comes forward ?
> with ? her ?#MeToo ? story. #TuesdayThoughts

Now this post comes up again in the context of the establishment's silence around 
allegations of Sen. Joe Biden's sexual assault history. The most recently-discussed 
chapter of this history -- Alexandra Tara Reade's allegation of what happened to her 
in 1993.

Some background: See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14tfnIkQ-qU -- Sen. Joe Biden's 
former staff assistant Alexandra Tara Reade accused Sen. Joe Biden of sexual assault. 
Reade was one of 7 other women who shared stories about Biden's sexual advances, 
assaults, and other forms of inappropriateness or illegality. Lucy Flores is another 
one of the women whose names you might have come across before. This clip from Jimmy 
Dore & co. explains the situation and replays an interview with interviewer Katie Halper.

According to Katie Halper's description from 
https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story :
> She [Reade] told part of her story-- about how Biden would put his hands on her 
> shoulders and run his fingers up and down her neck-- in the spring of 2019 after 
> Lucy Flores accused Biden of kissing the top of her head and smelling her hair 
> inappropriately. But Reade didn't tell her full story. As Ryan Grim reveals at
> The Intercept, Reade asked for help from Time's Up, but the organization said it
> could not support her because a case taking on Biden would jeopardize their
> non-profit status. Tara is finally telling the story she's been trying to tell for
> decades. While there were no witnesses to Biden's alleged sexual assault of Tara
> Reade, her brother and close friend, both of whom I've [Katie Halper] spoken to,
> recall Reade telling them about it at the time.

Under any other circumstances, given only this retelling of the allegations, Biden 
would be considered persona non grata. Major American corporations would do what they 
could to quickly distance themselves from Biden. This is how things happened for many 
other men accused of doing horrible things to others (mostly women) without consent, 
often under circumstances where one is expected to behave professionally.

But serving the establishment matters more: establishment-serving media have 
apparently chosen to remain silent on the matter. Biden continues to be the 
Democratic Party frontrunner (the presumptive nominee, in fact) and it is up to 
non-compliant media outlets to cover what is going on. There are so few such outlets 
that I've listed what I could find below. The stories of other women seem to have 
stopped even from media previously believed to be progressive in their support of 
sexual assault victims.


References:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14tfnIkQ-qU -- Jimmy Dore & co. on this story.

https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/783742165-katie-halper-tara-to-post.mp3
https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/782795578-katie-halper-joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story.mp3 
-- Katie Halper's Lucy Flores interview in which Flores describes her assault.

https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/1242691746561167360 -- Katie Halper's tweet thread 
about this story.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/ -- Ryan Grim's 
Intercept article describing the Flores allegations.

https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/26/headlines/the_intercept_times_up_legal_defense_fund_refused_to_support_metoo_allegation_against_joe_biden 
-- The only Democracy Now story I could find and it's nothing but a brief headline story:

> The Intercept is reporting that the Time?s Up Legal Defense Fund, set up to help
> survivors of rape and sexual assault, refused to fund a #MeToo investigation into
> allegations against Joe Biden. The charges were brought by Tara Reade, who worked
> as a staff assistant for then-Senator Biden in 1993, when she was in her
> mid-twenties. Reade told journalist Katie Halper in an interview published Tuesday
> that Biden repeatedly touched her without her consent and sexually assaulted her.
> A warning to listeners and viewers: Her account is graphic.
> 
> Tara Reade: ?And then his hands were on me and underneath my clothes. And yeah,
> and then he went ? he went down my skirt but then up inside it, and he penetrated
> me with his fingers.?
> 
> Reade approached the Time?s Up Legal Defense Fund in January looking for
> assistance, but was reportedly told the fund could not help her because Biden is a
> candidate for federal office, and pursuing a case could jeopardize the fund?s
> nonprofit status. The Intercept reports the public relations firm representing
> Time?s Up Legal Defense Fund is SKDKnickerbocker, whose managing director, Anita
> Dunn, is top adviser to Biden?s presidential campaign.

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/4/1/headlines/ex_nevada_assemblywoman_accuses_joe_biden_of_inappropriate_touching

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/4/2/headlines/second_woman_alleges_inappropriate_touching_by_joe_biden

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/4/4/headlines/joe_biden_promises_to_respect_personal_space_after_inappropriate_touching_accusations 
-- 3 other headline stories from DN on women accusing Biden of "inappropriate touching".

If 3 stories published on almost subsequent days constitute a drumbeat, this drumbeat 
began and ended rather quickly (from 2019-04-01 through 2019-04-04). There is 
slightly more to be found with the search 
https://www.democracynow.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=biden+inappropriate+touching&commit=Search
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Tue Mar 31 03:48:40 2020
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 03:48:40 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] influencer, cult, cult of personality
Message-ID: <CH2PR11MB43443D32979676EAEBA9EAC88CC80@CH2PR11MB4344.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Keywords  033020

INFLUENCER
In marketing, an individual or group that has a significant amount of influence on the opinions or habits of their fans or followers, perhaps especially their purchasing habits.
+  A lot of companies try to market directly to so-called influencers? bloggers and vloggers, mostly ? in the hopes that the influencer will boost sales by promoting the product among their followers.
+  You have to wonder how many of these influencers are really just paid shills.
  >  PATIENT INFLUENCER
In marketing, an individual or group that has a significant amount of influence on the opinions or habits of their fans or followers, specifically as it relates to health and medicine.
+  The writer, a patient influencer on social media, mainly posts about her struggles with a chronic illness.
+  He's a patient influencer who beat cancer and now attends medical conferences and advocates on behalf of patient care.
See also: influencer, patient  
? The Free Dictionary by Farlex // Idioms

CULT  | Definition of Cult by Merriam-Webster  ?  www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult
>  Cult, which shares an origin with culture and cultivate, comes from the Latin cultus, a noun with meanings ranging from "tilling, cultivation" to "training or education" to "adoration." In English, cult has evolved a number of meanings following a fairly logical path.
> Cult ? Wikipedia
In modern English, a cult is a social group that is defined by its unusual religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, or by its common interest in a particular personality, object or goal.  ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult
>  Cult - definition of cult by The Free Dictionary
www.thefreedictionary.com/cult
A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
>  Cult | Definition of Cult at Dictionary.com  www.dictionary.com/browse/cult 
noun a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult. the object of such devotion. 
//  www.christianitytoday.com/ct/topics/c/cults
>  Christian news and views about Cults. The best articles from Christianity Today on Cults.
14 Weird and Creepy Cults Still Active Today
www.ranker.com/list/active-cults/mike-rothschild
There are dozens of cults still active today, despite the very public demise of many well-known ones. Current cults range from New Age mystic groups to fundamentalist Christians preparing for the end of days. Many have been around for decades, with some as old as a century. But a few others have sprung up only in the last few years.
>  The Seven Signs You're in a Cult - The Atlantic
www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/06/the...
Jun 18, 2014 ? Several years ago, the founder of IHOP, Mike Bickle, created a list of seven ways to recognize the difference between a religious community and a cult.
>  The Cult - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cult
The Cult are a British rock band formed in 1983. Before settling on their current name in January 1984, the band performed under the name Death Cult, which was an evolution of the name of lead singer Ian Astbury's previous band Southern Death Cult.

CULT OF PERSONALITY 
A cult of personality, or cult of the leader,[1] arises when a country's regime ? or, more rarely, an individual ? uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. A cult of personality is similar to apotheosis, except that it is established by modern social engineering techniques, usually by the state or the party in one-party states and dominant-party states. It is often seen in totalitarian or authoritarian countries.
  > The term came to prominence in 1956, in Nikita Khrushchev's secret speech On the Cult of Personality and Its Consequences, given on the final day of the 20th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. In the speech, Khrushchev, who was the First Secretary of the Communist Party ? in effect, the leader of the country ? criticized the lionization and idealization of Joseph Stalin, and by implication, his Communist contemporary Mao Zedong, as being contrary to Marxist doctrine. The speech was later made public and was part of the "de-Stalinization" process the Soviet Union went through.  ?  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality
?
cf.  Max Weber on charismatic authority
? RSz.
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Tue Mar 31 13:11:07 2020
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 08:11:07 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] From Medialens
Message-ID: <A80F3760-3AD6-47E8-9FC6-0E36F1F80825@newsfromneptune.com>

https://www.medialens.org/2020/can-i-keep-you-safe-your-future-is-uncertain-climate-and-the-fate-of-humanity/#more-4690