[Peace] Rachel MAddox on Obama's selection of Rick Warren t give inaugural address

Sun Dec 21 11:31:36 CST 2008

The outcry against Rick Warren  has NOTHING to do w/ ANY of the stuff you mention, Wayne (as well you know). His views on gays (and choice) make him an unacceptable pick for ANYTHING to do w/ ANY gov't function (not that ANY religious stuff belongs at ANY gov't function, imho opinion (yeah, that'll happen in my lifetime). Not sure why Obama chose him -- he'd surely be able to find somebody a lot more christian (adjective) to deliver the invocation... And why look to appease the evangelicals rather than us? The election's over. So far as Jerimiah Wright's concerned -- he's made some great points, but he's made some ridiculous ones as well, e g his statement that the US gov't created the AIDS virus to get rid of blacks. Everyone knows the US gov't created the AIDS virus to get rid of gays (kidding).

Sooooo.... how DO I send an email to the Obama camp these days???
 --Jenifer
PS I corrected spelling of Rachel Maddow's name so y'all could google and and watch her show every nite on yr computer.  

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:

From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
Subject: Re: [Peace] Rachel MAddox on Obama's selection of Rick Warren t give inaugural address
To: jencart13 at yahoo.com
Cc: "UC Progressives" <ucprogressives at lists.chambana.net>, Peace at lists.chambana.net, kakranich at yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 2:28 AM

I was not at all surprised that Obama picked Rick Warren since Obama has been in his church
Warren is quite popular and has a significant following due to his many books on church growth.
I consider Warren's brand of teaching to be much too bland for me.

The usual criticism of Rick Warren is the way in which he uses scripture,
the rather loose interpretations of scripture that he makes,
and his tendency to quote paraphrases of the Bible rather 
than literal translations or exegesis from the originals.  I have 
always been more than a little bit leery of Warren and his books because he 
doesn't demonstrate much scholarship in the Biblical texts.  

I have declined to participate in local events featuring Warren's programs because
I think they are dangerously lacking in depth.  Some of my friends have made
similar comments questioning the lack of real committment required by 
his popular church growth programs.   Some of them express similar concerns
when they hear Mr. Obama make his occasional profession of Christian faith.
I was particularly concerned when Obama threw his old pastor under the bus.
I rather like Jeremiah Wright.

We weren't at all surprised to see Warren invite Obama to a conference in 2006 where he lauded Obama.
We had already decided by then that Warren wasn't particularly discerning.

So I must say that although I dont care for his rather mediocre scholarship and 
emphasis on numerical membership growth rather than spiritual growth,
I am surprised that you are moved to go so far as to call him "one disgusting s.o.b."

I think a much better choice would have been Obama's old pastor Jeremiah Wright.
Wright is certainly more scholarly than Warren.

Wright delivered a tremendous address to the National Press Club last spring after Obama ditched him.
It was pretty long.  I thought part 3 of 3 was the best part -
I have kept it favorited in my YouTube box.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aM8VU47pKU

John Newton, who penned the words (not the tune) to the familiar hymn "Amazing Grace",
was a slave trader who repented and later influenced William Wilberforce who became 
a major player in the Abolition Movement.

Jenifer Cartwright wrote: 

Rick Warren is one disgusting s o b, and I'd like to tell Obama that his invocation choice is unacceptable. My link to Obama's email doesn't go thru, now that he's resigned his senate seat. Anybody have a current. one? Thanks.
 --Jenifer 

--- On Sat, 12/20/08, Kimberlie Kranich <kakranich at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Kimberlie Kranich <kakranich at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Peace] Rachel MAddox on Obama's selection of Rick Warren t give inaugural address
To: "UC Progressives" <ucprogressives at lists.chambana.net>, Peace at lists.chambana.net
Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 11:37 AM

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