[Peace] Bring on the protesters we really need them now, if these two guys are the choices.......
Stuart Levy
salevy at illinois.edu
Wed Nov 16 16:12:06 UTC 2016
Please keep this off the Peace list. Peace-discuss is pretty much
open, but we should keep "peace" for announcements and calls to action,
rather than general discussions.
On 11/16/16 9:51 AM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote:
> The articles are not contradictory.
>
> I suggest you try “reading," thats why I post, for those who maybe
> interested in reading, I’m not attempting to contact you “personally,”
> no need for paranoia.
>
> I did ask Stuart to send you instructions on how to “delete”, you do
> know how to delete don’t you?
>
>
>
>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 06:33, Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I told you to leave me alone, and you won't do it. Now you've
>> sent me two articles -- neither from a credible source -- making
>> completely contradictory arguments. What am I (or anyone) supposed
>> to do with that?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>>
>> *To:* Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>
>> *Cc:* peace <peace at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>>; Peace Discuss
>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:20 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Peace] Bring on the protesters we really need them
>> now, if these two guys are the choices.......
>>
>> Speaking with you Greg, is a headache because you just want to argue,
>> complain and make personal attacks, you don’t stick to the issues.
>> Also, the last time I sent something out you told me personally to
>> leave you alone.
>>
>> To be clear, I have never supported Trump or any republican, I spent
>> five years working with and organizing the US Democrats Abroad in
>> Thailand, volunteerism, when living there. That was before Clinton,
>> and I voted for Obama’s “hope and change”. Now that I know what they
>> have done I will never support the Democratic Party again.
>>
>> I will support local democrats on an individual basis of course,
>> based upon their performance, goals and values.
>>
>> It’s time Americans rebuild our nation and its going to require a lot
>> of work, maybe now they have awakened to the fact that concern with
>> politics is important and we have a lot of work to do. Had Hillary
>> been elected people would have gone to sleep and assumed everything
>> was alright, just as they did when Obama was elected.
>>
>> We have very serious issues of concern and we need to deal with them.
>>
>> End of conversation.
>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 06:04, Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com
>>> <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can't you speak for yourself?
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com
>>> <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>>
>>> *To:* Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>
>>> *Cc:* peace <peace at lists.chambana.net
>>> <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>>; Peace Discuss
>>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:57 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Peace] Bring on the protesters we really need them
>>> now, if these two guys are the choices.......
>>>
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_bruce.a.dixon.5-3Ffref-3Dnf&d=DQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=_iuwmBDMEAIAz6k1h--JVoji6x5mlDiImSbbdIp2zWg&m=81n-Cl30gp6Zj-Goax3wRAq0SF4y1KbypYQ7QLPq1T0&s=n4bd4QFeDKqZC3UahTRMo-HgA8O_0XjiYKCU6z0TTTY&e=>
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>>>> Bruce A. Dixon
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>>>> 8 hrs
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>>>> Libsyn
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>>>>
>>>> War Less Imminent in Wake of Trump Election
>>>> A Black Agenda Radio commentary by executive editor Glen Ford
>>>> “Trump says he wants to cooperate with the Syrians and the Russians
>>>> to defeat ISIS.”
>>>> With so many people who call themselves liberals and leftists
>>>> tearing their hair out in dread of a President Donald Trump, it is
>>>> necessary to point out that the prospects of avoiding nuclear war
>>>> are much better than they were the day before the election. Hillary
>>>> Clinton was committed to imposing a “no fly zone” over Syria that
>>>> would have meant instant war with Russia, likely resulting in the
>>>> annihilation of the human species. You’d think that would have made
>>>> Clinton anathema to decent people. But Americans, including those
>>>> who call themselves liberals, are not decent people – not really.
>>>> Based on their political behavior, they just pretend to be decent,
>>>> but support U.S. governments that have slaughtered millions since
>>>> the end of World War Two. If you voted for Obama and Clinton, you
>>>> gave your assent to continuing George Bush’s wars, allowing Obama
>>>> to start two major wars of his own, in Libya and Syria, and to
>>>> Hillary Clinton’s plans to roll the nuclear dice on the fate of
>>>> humanity. The whole world knows that Americans are dangerous, to
>>>> themselves and to others. But, decent? Since when, and to whom?
>>>> Donald Trump looks and talks like the ugly, racist, bullying
>>>> American -- and he is exactly that, but he hasn’t killed anybody
>>>> yet, and his public statements have been of a far more peaceful
>>>> nature than the woman he beat at the polls. Trump says he wants to
>>>> cooperate with the Syrians and the Russians to defeat ISIS. Trump
>>>> also does not make distinctions between the various Islamic
>>>> jihadist groups in Syria, unlike the Obama administration, which
>>>> has directly and indirectly armed and funded all of the jihadist
>>>> groups, and has spent much of the last several months trying to
>>>> protect the al Nusra Front, the al Qaida affiliate in eastern
>>>> Aleppo, from Russian bombing.
>>>> “The jihadists are in despair, and the prospects for driving them
>>>> out of Aleppo look promising.”
>>>> No sooner had the votes been counted, than President Obama ordered
>>>> U.S. Special Forces to go all-out to kill the leadership of al-Nusra.
>>>> This war has been entirely based on lies, so Obama will probably
>>>> limit his Kill List to al Qaida leaders, while sparing the rank and
>>>> file jihadist fighters for future use by the United States. But it
>>>> is safe to say that, had Hillary Clinton been elected, the most
>>>> warlike factions in the U.S. military, the CIA, the State
>>>> Department, and the foreign policy establishment at-large would be
>>>> setting the stage for full-scale confrontation with Russia and all
>>>> of Syria’s allies under President Clinton. Instead, the jihadists
>>>> are in despair, and the prospects for driving them out of Aleppo
>>>> look promising. Hopefully, the Syrian government and its friends
>>>> will be on the road to victory before Donald Trump’s presidency is
>>>> decisively captured by the bipartisan War Party that runs the empire.
>>>> Syrian President Bashar Assad says it’s fine with him if Trump
>>>> wants to fight the terrorists. But, Assad isn’t sure that Trump can
>>>> deliver on his campaign pledge. “What about the countervailing
>>>> forces within the administration, the mainstream media that were
>>>> against him?” Assad asks. Assad thinks the notion of Trump bucking
>>>> the War Party is “dubious.” He’s right. Half a million Syrians are
>>>> dead because most Americans don’t much care who their government
>>>> kills, as long as they’re not white. But, getting rid of Clinton
>>>> has slowed the War Party down a bit, and maybe prevented a nuclear
>>>> war. If you are a decent person, you should be pleased about that.
>>>> For Black Agenda Radio, I’m Glen Ford. On the web, go
>>>> toBlackAgendaReport.com.
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blackagendareport.com_&d=DQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=_iuwmBDMEAIAz6k1h--JVoji6x5mlDiImSbbdIp2zWg&m=81n-Cl30gp6Zj-Goax3wRAq0SF4y1KbypYQ7QLPq1T0&s=71Bvlh0fBGVLdfKYfkNgKilPGZzH_M0xVZGh0R_yjO8&e=>On
>>>> Nov 16, 2016, at 05:37, Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com
>>>> <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Gee -- and you've been telling me Trump was preferable to Clinton.
>>>> At least he won't start a war with Russia, right?
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> *From:* Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net
>>>> <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>>
>>>> *To:* peace <peace at lists.chambana.net
>>>> <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>>; Peace Discuss
>>>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:08 AM
>>>> *Subject:* [Peace] Bring on the protesters we really need them now,
>>>> if these two guys are the choices.......
>>>>
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>>>> Trump transition points to escalation of US militarism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By Bill Van Auken 16 November 2016
>>>>
>>>> Multiple media reports that former New York City Republican Mayor
>>>> Rudolph Giuliani is president-elect Donald Trump’s top choice for
>>>> secretary of state have provided further indication of the extreme
>>>> right-wing and militarily bellicose character of the incoming US
>>>> administration.
>>>> A senior Trump campaign official told the Associated Press Tuesday
>>>> that Giuliani was the favorite for the post, while indicating that
>>>> the equally right-wing and militaristic former US ambassador to the
>>>> United Nations under the administration of George W. Bush, John
>>>> Bolton, was also in the running.
>>>> The fact that these two—both adamant supporters of every US war
>>>> over the past quarter century—are the front-runners for the top
>>>> foreign policy position in the incoming Republican administration
>>>> gives the lie to Trump’s pretensions on the campaign trail that he
>>>> was somehow opposed to recent US military interventions and “nation
>>>> building.”
>>>> Trump’s phony claims that he had been against the Iraq war were
>>>> meant to appeal to popular hostility to the endless US military
>>>> interventions with which his Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton
>>>> was so clearly identified. At the same time, however, he repeatedly
>>>> advocated a major increase in US military spending and a
>>>> modernization of Washington’s nuclear arsenal.
>>>> His “America First” rhetoric and promotion of economic nationalism
>>>> go hand-in-hand with a further escalation of a US campaign of
>>>> global military aggression that has brought the planet ever closer
>>>> to a third world war.
>>>> According to a report in the /Wall Street Journal/, the former New
>>>> York mayor is openly pushing for his own appointment. Giuliani, the
>>>> newspaper said, “suggested several times that he would be
>>>> interested in the [secretary of state] post” during remarks
>>>> delivered Monday to the /Wall Street Journal/ CEO Council in
>>>> Washington, a gathering billed as an “unparalleled opportunity for
>>>> business leaders to learn the myriad implications of the biggest
>>>> change in Washington in many years.”
>>>> In his remarks, Giuliani insisted that the so-called war on ISIS
>>>> would be the administration’s first priority, making clear that the
>>>> global “war on terror” that has been used to justify wars
>>>> throughout the Middle East and Central Asia will continue. The
>>>> former New York mayor, who has never tired of waving the bloody
>>>> shirt of 9/11 to promote his own political and personal fortune and
>>>> to obscure the rampant corruption that characterized his
>>>> administration, is heavily invested in this policy, though he has
>>>> played no role in its implementation.
>>>> Asked about Trump’s demands for ripping up the nuclear deal with
>>>> Iran, Giuliani replied, “You have to set priorities. So if the
>>>> priority is, let’s eliminate ISIS, maybe you put that off a little
>>>> bit. And you get rid of ISIS and then get back to that.” In other
>>>> words, a new US war with Iran remains on the agenda of the incoming
>>>> administration. During his run for the presidency in 2008, Giuliani
>>>> said that the use of tactical nuclear weapons against Iran’s
>>>> nuclear program could not be taken “off the table.”
>>>> And, while Trump has spoken in vague terms of a rapprochement with
>>>> Russia—and was repeatedly denounced from the right by the Democrats
>>>> as a puppet of Vladimir Putin—Giuliani sounded a more threatening
>>>> tone toward Moscow, suggesting military confrontation as a means of
>>>> shifting relations with Moscow.
>>>> “Russia thinks it’s a military competitor, it really isn’t,”
>>>> Giuliani said. “It’s our unwillingness under Obama to even threaten
>>>> the use of our military that makes Russia so powerful.”
>>>> While Giuliani has no foreign policy experience whatsoever, he is a
>>>> prominent Trump loyalist and a longtime proponent of police state
>>>> methods of rule. During his tenure as mayor, he was identified with
>>>> a repressive “stop and frisk” program—later ruled
>>>> unconstitutional—that turned virtually every minority and working
>>>> class youth in the city into a suspect and resulted in a series of
>>>> egregious police murders of innocent victims like Amadou Diallo and
>>>> Patrick Dorismond that he vehemently defended.
>>>> Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, he proposed that mayoral
>>>> elections in New York be called off and that he be granted a new
>>>> unelected term as the only man capable of confronting terrorism.
>>>> More recently, he has suggested that the anti-Trump demonstrations
>>>> that have swept the country should be met with police repression.
>>>> His apparent principal rival for the secretary of state post, John
>>>> Bolton, is every bit as reactionary and a pathological supporter of
>>>> unilateral US military aggression. Barely a year and a half ago,
>>>> Bolton penned an opinion piece for the /New York Times/ titled “To
>>>> Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran.” His prescription was for intensive
>>>> bombing followed by “regime change.”
>>>> Bolton rose to prominence in Republican circles after serving as a
>>>> lawyer in the George W. Bush campaign’s successful operation to
>>>> steal the 2000 election by halting the vote count in Florida.
>>>> He was an advocate of a US war for regime change in Iraq at least
>>>> since 1998. In 2002, he was the State Department’s undersecretary
>>>> for Arms Control and International Security, playing a key role in
>>>> preparing the war of aggression against Iraq the following year by
>>>> promoting the lies that Saddam Hussein was developing “weapons of
>>>> mass destruction” and preparing to hand them over to Al Qaeda.
>>>> Bolton, described by one of his former colleagues at the State
>>>> Department as “the quintessential kiss up, kick down kind of guy,”
>>>> was named ambassador to the United Nations in an August 2005 recess
>>>> appointment by the Bush administration that was meant to serve as a
>>>> deliberate provocation toward the UN, for which Bolton had
>>>> repeatedly and publicly declared his contempt.
>>>> Both Giuliani and Bolton—like president-elect Trump—have defended
>>>> the use of torture by the Pentagon and the CIA at Guantanamo,
>>>> Bagram Air Base and black sites around the world.
>>>> The discussion of a possible appointment of either Giuliani or
>>>> Bolton as the face of US foreign policy is every bit as revealing
>>>> as the naming Sunday of the outright fascist Steve Bannon as
>>>> Trump’s chief White House strategist. While not indulging in the
>>>> open politics of white supremacy and anti-Semitism that has
>>>> characterized Bannon’s stewardship of /Breitbart News/, these are
>>>> unquestionably among the most reactionary and discredited figures
>>>> in American politics.
>>>> When an appointment would be announced was far from clear late
>>>> Tuesday, with reports of the Trump transition team in a state of
>>>> utter disarray and beset by bitter internecine conflicts. Former
>>>> Michigan Republican congressman Mike Rogers, who was brought in to
>>>> advise Trump on national security and was thought to be a possible
>>>> nominee for CIA director, has been pushed out of the transition
>>>> process, following the earlier purge of New Jersey Governor Chris
>>>> Christie, who was hastily replaced by vice president-elect Mike
>>>> Pence as head of the overall transition operation.
>>>> The /Washington Post/ reported Tuesday that the expulsion of
>>>> Christie and his allies was carried out in apparent “retaliation
>>>> for Christie’s role as a US prosecutor in sending [Trump’s
>>>> son-in-law Jared] Kushner’s father to prison” when he was a federal
>>>> prosecutor.
>>>> Christie’s ouster effectively placed the transition on hold as far
>>>> as the Obama administration is concerned as the New Jersey governor
>>>> was the signatory of a document establishing the framework for the
>>>> process.
>>>> The chaos and divisions within the Trump camp were also spelled out
>>>> in an about-face by a former Republican national security official,
>>>> Eliot Cohen, who had previously led similar figures in denouncing
>>>> Trump as unfit for the presidency. In an open letter published last
>>>> week in the /American Interest,/ he argued that a Trump presidency
>>>> “may be better than we think,” and that checks and balances and
>>>> bureaucratic inertia would restrain the incoming administration.
>>>> In a tweet early Tuesday, Cohen wrote: “After exchange w Trump
>>>> transition team, changed my recommendation: stay away. They’re
>>>> angry, arrogant, screaming ‘you LOST!’ Will be ugly.”
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