[Peace] [Peace-discuss] What we're up against

Sat Dec 16 10:17:11 UTC 2017

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that Trump might have been LYING when he
> criticized "neolib and neocon policies" in order to stoke voter anger and
> gain votes, just like he lied about draining the swamp, respecting women,
> not hurting Medicare and Social Security, providing "terrific" health care
> for everyone, and too many other subjects to mention?
>
> Deb
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Even the term "lying" seems too rational or calculated or sophisticated,
somehow, to describe tRump.  You can't THEORIZE about tRump in anything
like the normal way.  I would simply say that tRump is so far gone that his
words bear absolutely no relation to his actions or intentions, which are
impulsive and childish and motivated solely by insecurity and narcissism,
certainly not by any coherent ideology.  His words are never to be believed
or trusted, to a far greater degree even than the average politician.  They
are simply to be ignored, and his actions observed and noted as the actions
of a madman.  He's a dangerous child with the nuclear codes.

John Wason

> On Dec 14, 2017, at 8:41 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
>
> The Democrat party supports neoconservative policies (more war) abroad,
> and neoliberal policies (more inequality) at home. Jones is an apparatchik
> of that party. The people of Alabama need to educate him on their real
> needs - viz., an end to 40 years of accelerating immiseration, under
> Democrat as well as Republican administrations. Their remarkably quiescent
> suffering finally elected a president who criticized neolib and neocon
> policies (who was then under intense pressure to continue those policies).
> Time-servers like Jones probably won’t be able to put the populist genie
> back in the bottle. We shouldn’t help them.
>
> Here’s what we’re dealing with, along with the vicious military policies
> of the Obama-Clinton administration to “maintain the disparity” with the
> rest of the world: <https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/dec/14/
> inequality-is-not-inevitable-but-the-us-experiment-is-a-
> recipe-for-divergence>.
>
> All the political establishment (very much including the Democrats) has to
> offer is disingenuous 'anti-Trumpism’: <https://medium.com/@
> caityjohnstone/anti-trumpism-is-anti-progressivism-in-
> disguise-9e688e6152e9>.
>
> Americans are coming to understand that they can do better than that, but
> rather clearly not with Democrats. —CGE
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> Right you are, Karen. Doug Jones has a decades-long record of public
> service. Getting elected in AL was step 1. Now he needs to truly represent
> (and educate) the people of AL, those who elected him and those who opposed
> him, in a principled and fair manner. It was the Democratic grassroots who
> first embraced Jones--the Democratic leadership hung back and only offered
> support when it looked like he might win.
>
> As we at PDA say, we have to drag the Democratic Party kicking and
> screaming toward more progressive policies. It is a long journey, full of
> setbacks, but we keep trying. Doug Jones offers an opportunity--we would be
> foolish not to take advantage of it.
>
> Deb
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Exactly: As a “Green socialist” I may not support the Democrat Party, but
> given evil of Mr. Moore, and the Republican Party, especially their record
> of impoverishment of the people in Alabama. It’s time for a change,
> Democrat candidate Doug Jones, has an opportunity to do something for that
> state and his constituents, lets see if he is up to the task. As I have
> said previously, he prosecuted the KKK successfully in the 70’s for the
> crimes they committed in the sixties, that everyone else allowed them to
> walk free.
>
> According to *JUAN GONZÁLEZ:* Doug Jones’ victory marks *the first time
> in 25 years that a Democrat has won a U.S. Senate race in Alabama.*
> Tuesday’s special election was highly controversial, pitting Doug Jones
> against Roy Moore, an accused pedophile with a long history of racism,
> sexism, homophobia and Islamophobia.
> *AMY GOODMAN:* Tuesday’s vote was highly divided by race and gender, with
> African-American voters, particularly women, largely responsible for
> defeating Roy Moore. Overall, 96 percent of African-American voters voted
> for Doug Jones, with a staggering 98 percent of all black women voting for
> Jones. In contrast, nearly 70 percent of white voters voted for Roy Moore.
> A full 63 percent of white women voted for Moore, despite Moore being
> accused by multiple women of sexually harassing or assaulting them when
> they were teenagers, one as young as 14. Democratic strategist Symone
> Sanders, who served as Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders’ press secretary
> during his presidential campaign, said, quote, “Doug Jones would not have
> won today without the turnout we saw from African-American voters. … Black
> women have been absolutely clear in their support for Democratic policies
> and Democratic candidates. It’s high time for Democrats to invest in that
> effort,” unquote.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 09:15, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Karen
> I agree with you. It is definitely a victory to elect a moderate Democrat
> who is a decent man and citizen over a lecherous, bigoted Republican who
> totally disrespects the rule of law.
> Deb
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 9:35 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> In the case of Alabama, it sure as hell is. A state with such extreme
> poverty, that the UN compared conditions in Alabama to that of many nations
> in sub saharan African villages.
>
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 06:58, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/dec/14/
> inequality-is-not-inevitable-but-the-us-experiment-is-a-
> recipe-for-divergence
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Finequality%2F2017%2Fdec%2F14%2Finequality-is-not-inevitable-but-the-us-experiment-is-a-recipe-for-divergence&data=02%7C01%7C%7Caeb766a77e2f47b2a68208d543033b1f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636488603511217150&sdata=5nGgMqjZ9MibNWwTeDXlb%2BrBmZXxlBL15uUN0sMBXTI%3D&reserved=0>
>
> It’s not a victory to elect Democrats instead of Republicans.
>
> "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly
> limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate
> within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident
> views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on,
> while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced
> by the limits put on the range of the debate.” [Chomsky]
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