From brussel at illinois.edu  Sun Jan  1 05:21:03 2017
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 05:21:03 +0000
Subject: [Peace] UPTV programs this week
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Congratulations on your impressive extemporaneous analyses and comments on the current state of affairs, domestic and foreign. I enjoyed listening. Maybe you will share your opinions in the near future on other critical issues; climate change and Trump's disdain thereof, and the “reset" towards the far east/China. Will Trump un reset?  The Syria situation needs emphasis—what is really going on there? Incidentally, Chomsky seems to favor a regime change there, as with his good friend Gilbert Ashcar, one of those on the “left" who advocated/supported the attack on Libya. 

A fascinating chat between the two of you. Will this format be repeated?

—mkb


> On Dec 30, 2016, at 5:20 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> AWARE ON THE AIR - Episode #393 | Tuesday 27 December 2016.
> Members and friends of AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, present a weekly hour of discussion of the US government's war-making and its attendant racism: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzoJHMr_D2g>.
> Produced and directed by Yousef Kash for Urbana (IL) Public TV.
> 
> NEWS FROM NEPTUNE - Episode #324, a Personal is Political edition | Friday 30 December 2016.
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NKkrwW7cIU>.
> Since 1990, News from Neptune has been a weekly hour of spontaneous and unrehearsed discussion of the news of the week and its coverage by the media, first on a soi-disant community radio station, and now on Urbana (IL) Public TV.
> This edition was produced and directed by Yousef Kash. The discussants are C. G. Estabrook and David Green.
> 
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Sun Jan  1 09:20:53 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 03:20:53 -0600
Subject: [Peace] UPTV programs this week
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Mort—

I’m delighted that you found the chat fascinating, and, yes, these are minimalist versions of the format for both shows: AWARE ON THE AIR is ideally a multi-member panel discussion, centering on US war; and NEWS FROM NEPTUNE, more extensive in topics and more concentrated in personnel (no more than three).

NEPTUNE began 25 years ago as un hommage to Chomsky’s ideas (hence the name), and his tilt to Clinton (because of the Republicans’ failure to recognize climate catastrophe) is the first serious position of his I can recall disagreeing with - and obviously not about climate change, just who was the lesser evil. And the jury is obviously out.

That said, I think it’s worth while to revisit Chomsky/Ashcar on Libya: their positions were not identical, and both were better informed on the situation than most. (Roughly, Chomsky thought the initial UN resolution could be justified, but definitely not the almost immediate hijacking of it by Clinton et al. for an air assault on Libya.)

And what Obama - and Putin - did in Syria is perhaps the worst reported (not by accident) story in the US media since the 1960s.

Inshallah, we’ll be able to talk about it in the new year. Thank you indeed for the encouragement. —CGE

 
> On Dec 31, 2016, at 11:21 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Congratulations on your impressive extemporaneous analyses and comments on the current state of affairs, domestic and foreign. I enjoyed listening. Maybe you will share your opinions in the near future on other critical issues; climate change and Trump's disdain thereof, and the “reset" towards the far east/China. Will Trump un reset?  The Syria situation needs emphasis—what is really going on there? Incidentally, Chomsky seems to favor a regime change there, as with his good friend Gilbert Ashcar, one of those on the “left" who advocated/supported the attack on Libya. 
> 
> A fascinating chat between the two of you. Will this format be repeated?
> 
> —mkb
> 
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 5:20 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> AWARE ON THE AIR - Episode #393 | Tuesday 27 December 2016.
>> Members and friends of AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, present a weekly hour of discussion of the US government's war-making and its attendant racism: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzoJHMr_D2g>.
>> Produced and directed by Yousef Kash for Urbana (IL) Public TV.
>> 
>> NEWS FROM NEPTUNE - Episode #324, a Personal is Political edition | Friday 30 December 2016.
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NKkrwW7cIU>.
>> Since 1990, News from Neptune has been a weekly hour of spontaneous and unrehearsed discussion of the news of the week and its coverage by the media, first on a soi-disant community radio station, and now on Urbana (IL) Public TV.
>> This edition was produced and directed by Yousef Kash. The discussants are C. G. Estabrook and David Green.
>> 
>> ###
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Peace at lists.chambana.net
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Wed Jan  4 15:40:42 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 09:40:42 -0600
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"...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.”

https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/

"Locating Fascism on the Home Map":

http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map

—CGE


> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? 
> 
> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.refusefascism.org&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdQ0LvVRcLjrjC9d9L8-gHQrZ5hffkYe2nuGmpOyu4Q&s=Jepc_WKPKoKwb4uD3MeflBy0rBgHdqyr7QD7_SgXeOw&e=> 
> 
> Jay
> 
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Wed Jan  4 16:03:36 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 10:03:36 -0600
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An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). 

"Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.”

http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die

—CGE



> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org 
> 
> The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate.
> 
> Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery.  This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence.
> 
> More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself.                  
> 
> Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist.  He has put together a regime that will carry out this  program, and worse.
> 
> This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.”
>> 
>> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/
>> 
>> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map":
>> 
>> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map
>> 
>> —CGE
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? 
>>> 
>>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org 
>>> 
>>> Jay
>>> 
>>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg>
>>> 
>> 
> 


From galliher at illinois.edu  Wed Jan  4 18:03:49 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
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The increasing and accelerating inequality of the Obama years is fueled by the Democrats’ trade pacts, from NAFTA to TTIP - which Trump attacked.

The vicious war-making of the Obama-Clinton administration - attacking eight countries (Bush only attacked six) and perpetrating “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times,” the drone assassinations, which killed thousands, including US citizens and hundreds of children - was also criticized by Trump, as well as the Obama-Clinton provocations of Russia and China, from Ukraine to the South China Sea, and Hillary’s “no fly zones” (which even the JCS said would produce war with Russia in Syria).

Trump is the first major party candidate in 40 years not to pay homage to neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). That’s why the Democrats and the ‘permanent government/deep state’ are working so hysterically to tie him down to Obama’s policies. (Who would have believed that they would have to resort to zombie McCarthyism?)

On inequality and war, it’s clear who the 'lesser evil’ was - and why he was elected. —CGE
 

> On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Donald Trump = less inequality and less war? That’s delusional. And the evidence is now overwhelming.
> 
> As for the Democratic Party, Obama says “we’re all on the same team,” and Clinton admonishes us to “keep an open mind” about this fascist. 
> This campaign is in “strong opposition” to their ideological message and going up against the interests of all factions of the ruling class at this point, which are “peaceful transition” and salvaging the legitimacy of their thoroughly illegitimate system. To hell with the millions thrown under the bus by Trump/Pence (who Jeremy Scahill correctly describes as soon to be the most powerful Christian fascist in history), here and around the world - Muslims (registry), Mexicans (massive deportations - yes, we protested Obama as deported-in-chief, and he laid the basis for Trump’s “wall” rhetoric), women (witch hunt at State Dept), science (witch hunt at EPA), etc. etc.. 
> 
> Go to www.refusefascism.org <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.refusefascism.org&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=F6iA1ryqTCnwtSex6gnKxmoObKUVdC2qOEHYXPZNrzI&s=tsK_paU05CI7a8JVCZkNC0ABFt0j38_Is0sCmjZP-WY&e=> and these FAQs on Revolution <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__revcom.us_a_472_faqs-2Don-2Dstopping-2Dtrump-2Dpence-2Den.html&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=F6iA1ryqTCnwtSex6gnKxmoObKUVdC2qOEHYXPZNrzI&s=jboaI8a73Q6ijOVDHPrZDdn6jcXPjqXeSDFb0O4Iz8Q&e=> website for a lot more on why this is needed and possible, NOW. 
> 
> Jay 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:03, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). 
>> 
>> "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.”
>> 
>> http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blackagendareport.com_let-5Fthe-5Fempire-5Fdie&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=F6iA1ryqTCnwtSex6gnKxmoObKUVdC2qOEHYXPZNrzI&s=KZHYxxpWEWaxGKAmR7XJ1FQEpubvGENQh5nf2pfCz1k&e=>
>> 
>> —CGE
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org 
>>> 
>>> The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate.
>>> 
>>> Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery.  This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence.
>>> 
>>> More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself.                  
>>> 
>>> Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist.  He has put together a regime that will carry out this  program, and worse.
>>> 
>>> This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.”
>>>> 
>>>> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/
>>>> 
>>>> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map":
>>>> 
>>>> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map
>>>> 
>>>> —CGE
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jay
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Karl,

I find it obscene when you say that the Russian air force was in Syria "legally," justifying the hellish nightmare that it unleashed upon the people of Aleppo.  This  was a war crime of incredible magnitude.  Your " anti-war" posture is pure hypocrisy. If other in AWARE share your view, the name should be changed.  You are neither anti-war nor anti-racist.  Drop the mask.
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Shouldn’t we pay attention to the policies the Trump administration will follow, more than to his obvious deficiencies of character?

The Obama administration is. They’re so afraid Trump will reverse Obama's warmongering policies, they’re rushing to try to lock the new administration into their lethal practices.

Example: Obama has waved a restriction on providing shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles to the 'rebels’ in Syria (including al-Qaeda) - an obvious threat to the Russian air force (who, unlike the USAF, are in Syria legally). HRC wanted a no-fly zone, which she was told would lead to war with Russia; Obama is trying to use jihadists for that.

The anti-war movement, of which AWARE is a part, should try to give an accurate account of the US government’s war-making, under this administration and the next.

—CGE


On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:27 AM, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com<mailto:deb.pdamerica at gmail.com>> wrote:

Apparently, Trump's racism, xenophobia, and misogyny are true conservative values that you support? His intention to build a wall to keep brown people out of the US and his embrace of torture and extra-judicial killings don't bother you, Carl? His willingness to ignite trade wars and possibly hot wars with that military he plans to build up are OK? His lack of respect for fellow humans, his pathological tendency to lie or say whatever he thinks will advance him, get him attention -- these character traits are acceptable to you? Not to mention his graft, his bullying, his cruelty, his vindictiveness--these trait are acceptable in a US President or in any human being?

That you embrace these odious qualities in another says a great deal about you.

Debra

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On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:32 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

I have great respect for Richard Wolff, but I wish he’d button his shirt and give us a transcript.

I’ve gotten too old to listen to lectures.  —CGE



On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:

I must say that it remains to be seen what Trump will do/represent.

Aside from his asserted intention to talk to the Russians and  emphasize domestic over foreign affairs, his statements relative to China and Cuba and…,  with respect to climate change, his coziness with Generals and his expressed intention to increase military spending perhaps by a factor of two, his favoring of “order” (police?) over civil rights, does not lead me to believe the confident remarks of the author who wrote the sentence cited below.This, even leaving aside  the various contradictory and ignorant statements he is prone to make.. But yes, he will be a traditionally conservative Republican in favoring the corporate world which he probably knows best and in diverse retrograde social issues.

I highly recommend a recent YouTube presentation by economist Richard Wolf on the subject of Trumpenomics:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dut6sPW52Q<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D4dut6sPW52Q&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=jbq2REMoWTrUcPcW_Zw2dZeZmWCombhW2QUPPXFJd58&s=N1CKhzmKitDas355CVb225hfI4Az5HZWsARv6ms2Jes&e=>

—mkb




On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

"This is what Trump represents, not radicalism but conservatism in its truest sense, a return to calm after a storm. His policies are amongst the most moderate in recent history. He is anti-interventionist, opposed to the apparatuses that should have been forgotten after the Cold War and his fiscal policies could easily be confused with those of a pre-Goldwater East Coast Republican.”

http://theduran.com/putin-trump-new-normalcy/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__theduran.com_putin-2Dtrump-2Dnew-2Dnormalcy_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=9eBn2xukb4K19JC8Bn8zUQ&m=p915nq0Xfo8V4YRIR4whp5YnS4icG4S9TsajKC0xuIk&s=EAn-nkhBUtvVHJiCC7exkH8jtIK31Mv-VrVDx-QCFNY&e=>


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What do you know about the situation in Aleppo, Belden?  I suggest you look elsewhere than to the NYT and other main stream media. Perhaps even RN, horror of horrors, or Antiwar.com<http://Antiwar.com>, etc. .
Yes the Russians have interests in not having radical Islamists taking over Syria, and were called in by the only legitimate government there, even if you don’t approve of it. Meanwhile the USA, Saudi Arabia, and friends, Israel too, have been supplying weapons, intelligence(?) and funds to the so-called rebels, many/most not even Syrians—instigating the conflict there. Regime change has long been on the table by the U.S. government for Syria, part of our hegemonic outlook.
Your criticism is perverse.
On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:30 PM, 'Fields, A Belden' a-fields at illinois.edu<mailto:a-fields at illinois.edu> [sf-core] <sf-core-noreply at yahoogroups.com<mailto:sf-core-noreply at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Karl,

I find it obscene when you say that the Russian air force was in Syria "legally," justifying the hellish nightmare that it unleashed upon the people of Aleppo.  This  was a war crime of incredible magnitude.  Your " anti-war" posture is pure hypocrisy. If other in AWARE share your view, the name should be changed.  You are neither anti-war nor anti-racist.  Drop the mask.
Belden

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Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Against hysteria

Shouldn’t we pay attention to the policies the Trump administration will follow, more than to his obvious deficiencies of character?

The Obama administration is. They’re so afraid Trump will reverse Obama's warmongering policies, they’re rushing to try to lock the new administration into their lethal practices.

Example: Obama has waved a restriction on providing shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles to the 'rebels’ in Syria (including al-Qaeda) - an obvious threat to the Russian air force (who, unlike the USAF, are in Syria legally). HRC wanted a no-fly zone, which she was told would lead to war with Russia; Obama is trying to use jihadists for that.

The anti-war movement, of which AWARE is a part, should try to give an accurate account of the US government’s war-making, under this administration and the next.

—CGE


On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:27 AM, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com<mailto:deb.pdamerica at gmail.com>> wrote:

Apparently, Trump's racism, xenophobia, and misogyny are true conservative values that you support? His intention to build a wall to keep brown people out of the US and his embrace of torture and extra-judicial killings don't bother you, Carl? His willingness to ignite trade wars and possibly hot wars with that military he plans to build up are OK? His lack of respect for fellow humans, his pathological tendency to lie or say whatever he thinks will advance him, get him attention -- these character traits are acceptable to you? Not to mention his graft, his bullying, his cruelty, his vindictiveness--these trait are acceptable in a US President or in any human being?

That you embrace these odious qualities in another says a great deal about you.

Debra

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:32 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

I have great respect for Richard Wolff, but I wish he’d button his shirt and give us a transcript.

I’ve gotten too old to listen to lectures.  —CGE



On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:

I must say that it remains to be seen what Trump will do/represent.

Aside from his asserted intention to talk to the Russians and  emphasize domestic over foreign affairs, his statements relative to China and Cuba and…,  with respect to climate change, his coziness with Generals and his expressed intention to increase military spending perhaps by a factor of two, his favoring of “order” (police?) over civil rights, does not lead me to believe the confident remarks of the author who wrote the sentence cited below.This, even leaving aside  the various contradictory and ignorant statements he is prone to make.. But yes, he will be a traditionally conservative Republican in favoring the corporate world which he probably knows best and in diverse retrograde social issues.

I highly recommend a recent YouTube presentation by economist Richard Wolf on the subject of Trumpenomics:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dut6sPW52Q<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D4dut6sPW52Q&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=jbq2REMoWTrUcPcW_Zw2dZeZmWCombhW2QUPPXFJd58&s=N1CKhzmKitDas355CVb225hfI4Az5HZWsARv6ms2Jes&e=>

—mkb




On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

"This is what Trump represents, not radicalism but conservatism in its truest sense, a return to calm after a storm. His policies are amongst the most moderate in recent history. He is anti-interventionist, opposed to the apparatuses that should have been forgotten after the Cold War and his fiscal policies could easily be confused with those of a pre-Goldwater East Coast Republican.”

http://theduran.com/putin-trump-new-normalcy/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__theduran.com_putin-2Dtrump-2Dnew-2Dnormalcy_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=9eBn2xukb4K19JC8Bn8zUQ&m=p915nq0Xfo8V4YRIR4whp5YnS4icG4S9TsajKC0xuIk&s=EAn-nkhBUtvVHJiCC7exkH8jtIK31Mv-VrVDx-QCFNY&e=>


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This is a rather wonky submission, but check out Dean Baker's response to Steven Rattner's charts in the NYT this morning. You can link to the NYT through Baker:
http://cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/can-t-we-kill-the-deficit-hawk-industry
Rattner begins by extolling the economic growth of the past 8 years. But as you move down to charts about the rust belt, it's easy to see why Trump won the election. Baker's comments apropos the deficit call out the dishonesty of liberal criticism of Trump, and reaffirm what appropriate criticism of Trump would be, from a Keynesian perspective.
None of this, of course, has anything to do with ridiculous charges that Trump is leading a fascist movement.
DG

 

    On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 12:04 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
 
 

 The increasing and accelerating inequality of the Obama years is fueled by the Democrats’ trade pacts, from NAFTA to TTIP - which Trump attacked.
The vicious war-making of the Obama-Clinton administration - attacking eight countries (Bush only attacked six) and perpetrating “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times,” the drone assassinations, which killed thousands, including US citizens and hundreds of children - was also criticized by Trump, as well as the Obama-Clinton provocations of Russia and China, from Ukraine to the South China Sea, and Hillary’s “no fly zones” (which even the JCS said would produce war with Russia in Syria).
Trump is the first major party candidate in 40 years not to pay homage to neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). That’s why the Democrats and the ‘permanent government/deep state’ are working so hysterically to tie him down to Obama’s policies. (Who would have believed that they would have to resort to zombie McCarthyism?)
On inequality and war, it’s clear who the 'lesser evil’ was - and why he was elected. —CGE
 

On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:

Donald Trump = less inequality and less war? That’s delusional. And the evidence is now overwhelming.
As for the Democratic Party, Obama says “we’re all on the same team,” and Clinton admonishes us to “keep an open mind” about this fascist. This campaign is in “strong opposition” to their ideological message and going up against the interests of all factions of the ruling class at this point, which are “peaceful transition” and salvaging the legitimacy of their thoroughly illegitimate system. To hell with the millions thrown under the bus by Trump/Pence (who Jeremy Scahill correctly describes as soon to be the most powerful Christian fascist in history), here and around the world - Muslims (registry), Mexicans (massive deportations - yes, we protested Obama as deported-in-chief, and he laid the basis for Trump’s “wall” rhetoric), women (witch hunt at State Dept), science (witch hunt at EPA), etc. etc.. 
Go to www.refusefascism.org and these FAQs on Revolution website for a lot more on why this is needed and possible, NOW. 
Jay 



On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:03, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). 

"Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.”

http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die

—CGE




On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:

>From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org 

The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate.

Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery.  This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence.

More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself.                  

Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist.  He has put together a regime that will carry out this  program, and worse.

This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late.





On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:

"...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.”

https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/

"Locating Fascism on the Home Map":

http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map

—CGE



On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? 

On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org 

Jay

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I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/
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    On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
 
 

 And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard  Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and  the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's  last chance to get America into a war with Russia:
    It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.
Fab
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-----Original Message-----
From: Boyle, Francis A 
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM
To: Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu>; Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com>
Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net>; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

And Obama and the Dems could still set off US  hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.:
1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly  can be used to shoot down Russian planes;
2. His Illegal and  Pending  Promise  that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence  except for a DHS/FBI  "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering  intent.
3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia.
Etc.
It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.

Fab
Ed Norton Professor of Law
Carl Schmitt College of Law:
"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"


Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
Champaign, IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone)
217-244-1478 (fax)
(personal comments only)


-----Original Message-----
From: Boyle, Francis A
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM
To: Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu>; Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com>
Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net>; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

"...the Dems have always been  hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to  the JFK 1960 Campaign."
Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. 
Q.E.D.
Fab


Francis A. Boyle
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-----Original Message-----
From: Boyle, Francis A
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM
To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' <galliher at illinois.edu>; Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com>
Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net>; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

"Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions."
Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been  hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to  the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily  campaigned for JFK in 1960  and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh  Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School  on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president  ten days later.  Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer  Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab.
It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.
Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism


Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898.  Then the Republican administration of President  William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions.  Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy.  But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration  are  threatening to set off World War III.
By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa  under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect.  Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago:  control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas.  The Bush Jr./ Obama  administrations  have  already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation.  In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration  announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species.  Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last.
This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend  Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): 
“The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “  It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.


Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
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Champaign, IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone)
217-244-1478 (fax)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM
To: Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com>
Cc: Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net>; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). 

"Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.”

http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die

—CGE



> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it 
> was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org
> 
> The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate.
> 
> Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery.  This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence.
> 
> More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself.                  
> 
> Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist.  He has put together a regime that will carry out this  program, and worse.
> 
> This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.”
>> 
>> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/
>> 
>> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map":
>> 
>> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map
>> 
>> —CGE
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? 
>>> 
>>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to 
>>> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New 
>>> York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of 
>>> people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the 
>>> country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people 
>>> do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get 
>>> involved! www.refusefascism.org
>>> 
>>> Jay
>>> 
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>> 
> 

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From a-fields at illinois.edu  Wed Jan  4 19:44:15 2017
From: a-fields at illinois.edu (Fields, A Belden)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 19:44:15 +0000
Subject: [Peace] [sf-core]  [Peace-discuss] Against hysteria
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I criticize both sides Mort.

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On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:

What do you know about the situation in Aleppo, Belden?  I suggest you look elsewhere than to the NYT and other main stream media. Perhaps even RN, horror of horrors, or Antiwar.com<http://Antiwar.com>, etc. .
Yes the Russians have interests in not having radical Islamists taking over Syria, and were called in by the only legitimate government there, even if you don’t approve of it. Meanwhile the USA, Saudi Arabia, and friends, Israel too, have been supplying weapons, intelligence(?) and funds to the so-called rebels, many/most not even Syrians—instigating the conflict there. Regime change has long been on the table by the U.S. government for Syria, part of our hegemonic outlook.
Your criticism is perverse.
On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:30 PM, 'Fields, A Belden' a-fields at illinois.edu<mailto:a-fields at illinois.edu> [sf-core] <sf-core-noreply at yahoogroups.com<mailto:sf-core-noreply at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Karl,

I find it obscene when you say that the Russian air force was in Syria "legally," justifying the hellish nightmare that it unleashed upon the people of Aleppo.  This  was a war crime of incredible magnitude.  Your " anti-war" posture is pure hypocrisy. If other in AWARE share your view, the name should be changed.  You are neither anti-war nor anti-racist.  Drop the mask.
Belden

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From: Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net>] on behalf of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 AM
To: Debra Schrishuhn
Cc: Peace Discuss; sf-core; Brussel, Morton K; peace; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net<mailto:prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net>; Occupy CU
Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Against hysteria

Shouldn’t we pay attention to the policies the Trump administration will follow, more than to his obvious deficiencies of character?

The Obama administration is. They’re so afraid Trump will reverse Obama's warmongering policies, they’re rushing to try to lock the new administration into their lethal practices.

Example: Obama has waved a restriction on providing shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles to the 'rebels’ in Syria (including al-Qaeda) - an obvious threat to the Russian air force (who, unlike the USAF, are in Syria legally). HRC wanted a no-fly zone, which she was told would lead to war with Russia; Obama is trying to use jihadists for that.

The anti-war movement, of which AWARE is a part, should try to give an accurate account of the US government’s war-making, under this administration and the next.

—CGE


On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:27 AM, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com<mailto:deb.pdamerica at gmail.com>> wrote:

Apparently, Trump's racism, xenophobia, and misogyny are true conservative values that you support? His intention to build a wall to keep brown people out of the US and his embrace of torture and extra-judicial killings don't bother you, Carl? His willingness to ignite trade wars and possibly hot wars with that military he plans to build up are OK? His lack of respect for fellow humans, his pathological tendency to lie or say whatever he thinks will advance him, get him attention -- these character traits are acceptable to you? Not to mention his graft, his bullying, his cruelty, his vindictiveness--these trait are acceptable in a US President or in any human being?

That you embrace these odious qualities in another says a great deal about you.

Debra

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:32 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

I have great respect for Richard Wolff, but I wish he’d button his shirt and give us a transcript.

I’ve gotten too old to listen to lectures.  —CGE



On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:

I must say that it remains to be seen what Trump will do/represent.

Aside from his asserted intention to talk to the Russians and  emphasize domestic over foreign affairs, his statements relative to China and Cuba and…,  with respect to climate change, his coziness with Generals and his expressed intention to increase military spending perhaps by a factor of two, his favoring of “order” (police?) over civil rights, does not lead me to believe the confident remarks of the author who wrote the sentence cited below.This, even leaving aside  the various contradictory and ignorant statements he is prone to make.. But yes, he will be a traditionally conservative Republican in favoring the corporate world which he probably knows best and in diverse retrograde social issues.

I highly recommend a recent YouTube presentation by economist Richard Wolf on the subject of Trumpenomics:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dut6sPW52Q<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D4dut6sPW52Q&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=jbq2REMoWTrUcPcW_Zw2dZeZmWCombhW2QUPPXFJd58&s=N1CKhzmKitDas355CVb225hfI4Az5HZWsARv6ms2Jes&e=>

—mkb




On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

"This is what Trump represents, not radicalism but conservatism in its truest sense, a return to calm after a storm. His policies are amongst the most moderate in recent history. He is anti-interventionist, opposed to the apparatuses that should have been forgotten after the Cold War and his fiscal policies could easily be confused with those of a pre-Goldwater East Coast Republican.”

http://theduran.com/putin-trump-new-normalcy/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__theduran.com_putin-2Dtrump-2Dnew-2Dnormalcy_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=9eBn2xukb4K19JC8Bn8zUQ&m=p915nq0Xfo8V4YRIR4whp5YnS4icG4S9TsajKC0xuIk&s=EAn-nkhBUtvVHJiCC7exkH8jtIK31Mv-VrVDx-QCFNY&e=>


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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Jan  4 20:16:39 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:16:39 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Americans for Peace Now: Action Alert: Supporting Israel
 Means Opposing H. Res. 11
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From: Lara Friedman, Americans for Peace Now <lfriedman at peacenow.org>
Date: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:50 AM
Subject: Action Alert: Supporting Israel Means Opposing H. Res. 11
To: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org


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Dear Robert,

Just before the New Year, the Obama Administration took pro-Israel,
pro-peace, pro-U.S. action in the UN Security Council. It did so by
abstaining on a resolution focused on Israeli settlements – a resolution
that was wholly consistent with longstanding U.S. policy (upheld by
presidents from both parties), and that was consistent with language
adopted previously by the UN Security Council (including under past U.S.
presidents from both parties).

Now, the House is poised to pass a resolution TOMORROW – H. Res. 11
<http://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=WtuXjUs4XmS%2FVdcJQ%2FWEP7TLhau7c1TX>
– unfairly slamming the Obama Administration’s action.

*Contact your Representative TODAY. Tell him/her: Support Israel -- vote NO
on **H. Res. 11**!*
<http://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=AOf4ddhVoL%2BvH7ZnSKSAyLTLhau7c1TX>

H. Res. 11 misrepresents the resolution adopted in the Security Council. It
mischaracterizes longstanding U.S. policy both in the Security Council and
vis-à-vis settlements. And it misleadingly portrays President Obama’s
abstention in the Security Council as a betrayal of Israel and harmful to
peace efforts.

*Tell your Representative: Giving cover to self-destructive Israeli
policies is not pro-Israel - Reject H. Res. 11!*
<http://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=ugeTBJpUPWbjOI0eBmWJubTLhau7c1TX>

While this resolution purports to be about defending Israel and supporting
peace, it is really about quashing legitimate criticism of Israeli actions
and changing longstanding U.S. policy to support settlements.

Your elected representative in Washington needs to know that this
resolution, and the positions it embraces, is not pro-Israel. Rather, it is
bad for Israel and bad for the United States. Your representative in
Congress needs to hear from you TODAY!

Sincerely,

Lara Friedman
Director, Policy & Government Relations
Americans for Peace Now

PS: This resolution reflects the false/mistaken argument that the U.S. has
had a longstanding policy of preventing passage of resolutions in the
Security Council critical of Israel. The truth is that the opposite is
true: every U.S. president since 1967 has abstained on or voted in favor of
multiple resolutions critical of Israel, including resolutions to which
Israel strenuously objected, when those resolutions were consistent with
U.S. policy. You can review for yourself the history of U.S. votes on such
resolutions
<http://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=5f7DrnZT3KO4H0sixjy5NbTLhau7c1TX>,
and you can also read my analysis
<http://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=QlMe%2BfzTWrplDKZfSgeBQi%2BpFPLx1QUM>
of the data, published in the New York Times earlier this year.

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   - Write to your member
   <http://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=KxNBrPqXc8xEtZwAFvyvUrTLhau7c1TX>
   - Call your member



Time is short and your Representative needs to hear from you TODAY. If you
don’t know who your representative is, you can look them up here
<http://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=W31vBNGV2UpGK9gkzw2r7bTLhau7c1TX>.
Then call the US Capitol switchboard – (202) 224-3121- and ask to be
connected to your Member’s office. Tell the person who answers the phone:

   - I am a constituent.
   - I care about Israel and Israeli-Palestinian peace, and that is why I
   want Representative XXX to vote NO on H. Res. 11.
   - This resolution is supposed to be about defending Israel and
   supporting peace.
   - It is really about quashing legitimate criticism of Israeli actions
   and changing longstanding U.S. policy to support settlements.
   - Supporting self-destructive Israeli policies is not pro-Israel
   - I urge Representative XXX to take the pro-Israel action and vote no on
   H. Res. 11.



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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Jan  4 20:19:40 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:19:40 -0600
Subject: [Peace] J Street: Action Alert: Congressional Attack on Obama's
	Legacy
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From: Dylan Williams, J Street Government Affairs <info at jstreet.org>
Date: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:25 PM
Subject: Action Alert: Congressional Attack on Obama's Legacy
To: "Mr. Robert Naiman" <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>


Oppose House Resolution 11 which undermines President Obama & Secretary
Kerry’s efforts to preserve the two-state solution and falsely labels
United Nations Security Council (UNSC) Resolution 2334 an “obstacle to
peace.”
[image: J Street]

URGENT ACTION ALERT:

*Oppose House Resolution 11, which undermines President Obama & Secretary
Kerry’s efforts to preserve the two-state solution and falsely labels
United Nations Security Council (UNSC) Resolution 2334 an “obstacle to
peace.”*

*Action: Call your member of Congress immediately.*
*Here's a script
<http://act.jstreet.org/go/5225?t=1&akid=5413.183166.GIKFvi>.*


   - Rep. Davis - (202) 225-2371

Issues with this legislation:

   - *Makes objectively inaccurate claims about United Nations Security
   Council Resolution 2334*. The resolution incorrectly asserts that the UN
   action "imposes" terms for final status negotiations on the parties, when
   it is a non-binding action that does not impose any terms on anyone.
   - *Incorrectly claims the Obama administration departed from
   longstanding policy by abstaining.* In fact, the US has supported or
   abstained from voting on more than 50 UNSC resolutions critical of Israeli
   actions since 1967.
   - *Mischaracterizes the UNSC resolution as one-sided and anti-Israel.*
   In fact, the UNSC resolution calls on both sides to cease actions that harm
   prospects for peace, and specifically mentions terror and incitement.
   - Other mischaracterizations of longstanding bipartisan US policy on the
   Israeli-Palestinian conflict permeate the text.

*Act now: Get your script to call Representative Rodney Davis and tell him
to oppose H.Res.11.
<http://act.jstreet.org/go/5224?t=2&akid=5413.183166.GIKFvi>*
Further information:

While J Street supported President Obama’s decision to abstain and allow
UNSC 2334 to pass, we understand the distrust many in our community have
toward the United Nations, which has a well-documented history of
anti-Israel bias.

The UNSC resolution, however, was very much in line with US policy and
reflects the views of the entire global community -- including Israel’s
allies in Europe, which voted for the resolution.

The US abstention and subsequent speech by Secretary Kerry reflected an
attempt by the Obama administration to preserve the viability of the
two-state solution and thus the survival of Israel as a democratic, Jewish
homeland.

For eight years, this administration has worked tirelessly to defend
Israel’s security and bring Israelis and Palestinians closer to peace.
Sometimes that has meant disagreeing with the policies of the current
Israeli government.

This House resolution constitutes an attack on the pro-Israel, pro-peace
legacy of the Obama administration. If the resolution succeeds in garnering
broad bipartisan support, it will deter leaders in Congress and future
administrations from speaking openly and honestly to Israel about the
danger settlements pose to US foreign policy interests and Israel's
reputation on the world stage.

*You’d better believe that Representatives will be receiving intense
pressure to add their names to this deeply flawed piece of legislation.
Let’s make sure they hear from us.
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Thanks,
Dylan Williams
Vice President of Government Affairs, J Street


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From galliher at illinois.edu  Wed Jan  4 20:19:58 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:19:58 -0600
Subject: [Peace] [sf-core]  [Peace-discuss] Against hysteria
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Belden—

Certainly it’s right to ‘criticize both sides.’ I assume you would have done so on September 1, 1939, as well.

(Those who are tempted not to, should see Nicholson Baker’s  “Human Smoke.”)

But we’re citizens of only one side and (presumably) can affect what that side does: the war in Syria exists because Obama armed jihadists.

Surely we should be calling (as AWARE does) for the withdrawal of all US troops, weapons, and bases from MENA.  Do you agree?  

The poets often get there first:

"...As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright 
And darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives....

"I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return. 

"Exiled Thucydides knew
All that a speech can say
About Democracy,
And what dictators do,
The elderly rubbish they talk
To an apathetic grave;
Analysed all in his book,
The enlightenment driven away,
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again.

"Into this neutral air
Where blind skyscrapers use
Their full height to proclaim
The strength of Collective Man,
Each language pours its vain
Competitive excuse:
But who can live for long
In an euphoric dream;
Out of the mirror they stare,
Imperialism’s face
And the international wrong...

"All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die…”

Regards, Carl


> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Fields, A Belden <a-fields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> I criticize both sides Mort.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:
> 
>> What do you know about the situation in Aleppo, Belden?  I suggest you look elsewhere than to the NYT and other main stream media. Perhaps even RN, horror of horrors, or Antiwar.com <http://antiwar.com/>, etc. . 
>> Yes the Russians have interests in not having radical Islamists taking over Syria, and were called in by the only legitimate government there, even if you don’t approve of it. Meanwhile the USA, Saudi Arabia, and friends, Israel too, have been supplying weapons, intelligence(?) and funds to the so-called rebels, many/most not even Syrians—instigating the conflict there. Regime change has long been on the table by the U.S. government for Syria, part of our hegemonic outlook. 
>> Your criticism is perverse. 
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:30 PM, 'Fields, A Belden' a-fields at illinois.edu <mailto:a-fields at illinois.edu> [sf-core] <sf-core-noreply at yahoogroups.com <mailto:sf-core-noreply at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Karl,
>>> 
>>> I find it obscene when you say that the Russian air force was in Syria "legally," justifying the hellish nightmare that it unleashed upon the people of Aleppo.  This  was a war crime of incredible magnitude.  Your " anti-war" posture is pure hypocrisy. If other in AWARE share your view, the name should be changed.  You are neither anti-war nor anti-racist.  Drop the mask.
>>> Belden
>>> 
>>> From: Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net>] on behalf of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 AM
>>> To: Debra Schrishuhn
>>> Cc: Peace Discuss; sf-core; Brussel, Morton K; peace; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net <mailto:prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net>; Occupy CU
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Against hysteria
>>> 
>>> Shouldn’t we pay attention to the policies the Trump administration will follow, more than to his obvious deficiencies of character?
>>> 
>>> The Obama administration is. They’re so afraid Trump will reverse Obama's warmongering policies, they’re rushing to try to lock the new administration into their lethal practices.
>>> 
>>> Example: Obama has waved a restriction on providing shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles to the 'rebels’ in Syria (including al-Qaeda) - an obvious threat to the Russian air force (who, unlike the USAF, are in Syria legally). HRC wanted a no-fly zone, which she was told would lead to war with Russia; Obama is trying to use jihadists for that.
>>> 
>>> The anti-war movement, of which AWARE is a part, should try to give an accurate account of the US government’s war-making, under this administration and the next. 
>>> 
>>> —CGE
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:27 AM, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com <mailto:deb.pdamerica at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Apparently, Trump's racism, xenophobia, and misogyny are true conservative values that you support? His intention to build a wall to keep brown people out of the US and his embrace of torture and extra-judicial killings don't bother you, Carl? His willingness to ignite trade wars and possibly hot wars with that military he plans to build up are OK? His lack of respect for fellow humans, his pathological tendency to lie or say whatever he thinks will advance him, get him attention -- these character traits are acceptable to you? Not to mention his graft, his bullying, his cruelty, his vindictiveness--these trait are acceptable in a US President or in any human being?
>>>> 
>>>> That you embrace these odious qualities in another says a great deal about you. 
>>>> 
>>>> Debra
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:32 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have great respect for Richard Wolff, but I wish he’d button his shirt and give us a transcript.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve gotten too old to listen to lectures.  —CGE
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I must say that it remains to be seen what Trump will do/represent. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Aside from his asserted intention to talk to the Russians and  emphasize domestic over foreign affairs, his statements relative to China and Cuba and…,  with respect to climate change, his coziness with Generals and his expressed intention to increase military spending perhaps by a factor of two, his favoring of “order” (police?) over civil rights, does not lead me to believe the confident remarks of the author who wrote the sentence cited below.This, even leaving aside  the various contradictory and ignorant statements he is prone to make.. But yes, he will be a traditionally conservative Republican in favoring the corporate world which he probably knows best and in diverse retrograde social issues. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I highly recommend a recent YouTube presentation by economist Richard Wolf on the subject of Trumpenomics:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dut6sPW52Q <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D4dut6sPW52Q&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=jbq2REMoWTrUcPcW_Zw2dZeZmWCombhW2QUPPXFJd58&s=N1CKhzmKitDas355CVb225hfI4Az5HZWsARv6ms2Jes&e=>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> —mkb
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "This is what Trump represents, not radicalism but conservatism in its truest sense, a return to calm after a storm. His policies are amongst the most moderate in recent history. He is anti-interventionist, opposed to the apparatuses that should have been forgotten after the Cold War and his fiscal policies could easily be confused with those of a pre-Goldwater East Coast Republican.”
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://theduran.com/putin-trump-new-normalcy/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__theduran.com_putin-2Dtrump-2Dnew-2Dnormalcy_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=9eBn2xukb4K19JC8Bn8zUQ&m=p915nq0Xfo8V4YRIR4whp5YnS4icG4S9TsajKC0xuIk&s=EAn-nkhBUtvVHJiCC7exkH8jtIK31Mv-VrVDx-QCFNY&e=>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ____
>>> 
>>> 
>>> __._,_.___
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Wed Jan  4 20:33:34 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:33:34 -0600
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On the one side is the first US president - ever - to be at war throughout two presidential terms, although he was elected to bring an end to his predecessor’s wars - which he instead expanded.

On the other side is his successor, who criticized that war-making. 

Now the former and his supporters are working desperately to lock the latter into war-making.

We should be supporting Trump's anti-war asseverations - and hope he wasn’t lying as much as Obama was.

—CGE


> On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. 
> 
> One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: 
> 
> Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.revcom.us_a_472_trumps-2Dstay-2Dstrong-2Disrael-2Dtweet-2Dgenocidal-2Dimplications-2Den.html&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=AhFuAE-JtaI1EA-m6HK6J1ifDRXFqSCsAzHSnXLVlmo&s=NMlNOXqlJ2iwd6X5cN9ixW-8Py6pFdVxZg1Q0WCfBKE&e=>
> 
> Jay
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:58, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu <mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> For sure Jay. Trump is not   a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously   endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes  and became Accessories After The Fact to  their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes Against Peace.
>> Fab
>> Ed Norton Professor of Law
>> Carl Schmitt College of Law:
>> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"
>> 
>> Francis A. Boyle
>> Law Building
>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
>> Champaign, IL 61820 USA
>> 217-333-7954 (phone)
>> 217-244-1478 (fax)
>> (personal comments only)
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com <mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com>] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:52 PM
>> To: Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu <mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>>
>> Cc: Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>>; peace-discuss at anti-war.net <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; C. G. ESTABROOK <carl at newsfromneptune.com <mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:Peace at lists.chambana.net>>; a-fields at uiuc.edu <mailto:a-fields at uiuc.edu>; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu <mailto:vhoffman at illinois.edu>>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu <mailto:jtmiller at illinois.edu>>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke at illinois.edu <mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com <mailto:sherwoodross10 at gmail.com>; Arlene Hickory <a23h23 at yahoo.com <mailto:a23h23 at yahoo.com>>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com <mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com>>; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net>; Dave Trippel <davetrippel at ameritech.net <mailto:davetrippel at ameritech.net>>; abass10 at gmail.com <mailto:abass10 at gmail.com>; mickalideh at gmail.com <mailto:mickalideh at gmail.com>; Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net <mailto:lina at worldcantwait.net>>; chicago at worldcantwait.net <mailto:chicago at worldcantwait.net>; David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com <mailto:davegreen84 at yahoo.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times
>> 
>> To say that Trump is a fascist does not inherently mean that Clinton, Obama and all the rest are not war criminals. 
>> 
>> I recommend this FAQ from World Can’t Wait’s website about the difference:
>> 
>> http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/more-categories/120-elections/8934-faq-2-aren-t-they-all-fascists-obama-and-hilary-too <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.worldcantwait.net_index.php_more-2Dcategories_120-2Delections_8934-2Dfaq-2D2-2Daren-2Dt-2Dthey-2Dall-2Dfascists-2Dobama-2Dand-2Dhilary-2Dtoo&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=AhFuAE-JtaI1EA-m6HK6J1ifDRXFqSCsAzHSnXLVlmo&s=RXMUj_hcfIxQvfKpjrExLSHzdin7ETY6MuPV2UgvOI4&e=>
>> 
>> Jay
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:43, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Back in 1986 I was invited to attend the 30th Anniversary Celebration of Harvard's Center for International Affairs. I was an Associate there for 2 years and on their Executive Committee for one year. They gave me Kissinger's old office. They had originally asked Kissinger to give their Keynote Address since he was their most prominent alumnus. But by then Kissinger was such a Grand Poobah that he had no time for his Warmongering Buddies at Harvard. So they asked Brzezinski to give the Keynote Address. His subject was Will Power and American Foreign Policy. Zbig's  basic thesis was that if America only willed it hard  enough, we  could do whatever we  wanted to do  in the world. After about 20 minutes of Zbig's ranting and raving along these lines I turned to my guest/friend who taught liberal arts at Harvard and whispered in her ear: "Is he talking about American Foreign Policy or Toilet Training?" And she responded in my ear: "I think both!" Zbig is a lunatic and a fanatic. He could very well have Obama set off a war with Russia between now and January 20.
>>> 
>>> Fab
>>> Ed Norton Professor of Law
>>> Carl Schmitt College of Law: 
>>> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"
>>> 
>>> Francis A. Boyle
>>> Law Building
>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
>>> Champaign, IL 61820 USA
>>> 217-333-7954 (phone)
>>> 217-244-1478 (fax)
>>> (personal comments only)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Boyle, Francis A
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:12 PM
>>> To: Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu>; Jay 
>>> <futureup2us at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK 
>>> <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net>; 
>>> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, 
>>> Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron 
>>> <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory 
>>> <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; 
>>> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel 
>>> <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; 
>>> Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net
>>> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s 
>>> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times
>>> 
>>> And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard  Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and  the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's  last chance to get America into a war with Russia:
>>> 	It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.
>>> Fab
>>> Ed Norton Professor of Law
>>> Carl Schmitt College of Law:
>>> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Francis A. Boyle
>>> Law Building
>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
>>> Champaign, IL 61820 USA
>>> 217-333-7954 (phone)
>>> 217-244-1478 (fax)
>>> (personal comments only)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Boyle, Francis A
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM
>>> To: Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu>; Jay 
>>> <futureup2us at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK 
>>> <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net>; 
>>> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, 
>>> Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron 
>>> <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory 
>>> <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; 
>>> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel 
>>> <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; 
>>> Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net
>>> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s 
>>> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times
>>> 
>>> And Obama and the Dems could still set off US  hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.:
>>> 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly  can be used to shoot down Russian planes;
>>> 2. His Illegal and  Pending  Promise   that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence  except for a DHS/FBI  "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering  intent.
>>> 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia.
>>> Etc.
>>> It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.
>>> 
>>> Fab
>>> Ed Norton Professor of Law
>>> Carl Schmitt College of Law:
>>> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Francis A. Boyle
>>> Law Building
>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
>>> Champaign, IL 61820 USA
>>> 217-333-7954 (phone)
>>> 217-244-1478 (fax)
>>> (personal comments only)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Boyle, Francis A
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM
>>> To: Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu>; Jay 
>>> <futureup2us at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK 
>>> <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net>; 
>>> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, 
>>> Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron 
>>> <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory 
>>> <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; 
>>> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel 
>>> <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; 
>>> Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net
>>> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s 
>>> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times
>>> 
>>> "...the Dems have always been  hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to  the JFK 1960 Campaign."
>>> Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. 
>>> Q.E.D.
>>> Fab
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Francis A. Boyle
>>> Law Building
>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
>>> Champaign, IL 61820 USA
>>> 217-333-7954 (phone)
>>> 217-244-1478 (fax)
>>> (personal comments only)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Boyle, Francis A
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM
>>> To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' <galliher at illinois.edu>; Jay 
>>> <futureup2us at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK 
>>> <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net>; 
>>> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, 
>>> Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron 
>>> <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory 
>>> <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; 
>>> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel 
>>> <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; 
>>> Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net
>>> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s 
>>> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times
>>> 
>>> "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions."
>>> Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been  hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to  the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily  campaigned for JFK in 1960  and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh  Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School  on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president  ten days later.  Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer  Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab.
>>> It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.
>>> Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898.  Then the Republican administration of President  William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions.  Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy.   But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration  are  threatening to set off World War III.
>>> By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa  under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect.  Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago:  control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas.  The Bush Jr./ Obama  administrations  have  already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation.  In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration  announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species.  Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last.
>>> This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend  Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): 
>>> “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “  It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Francis A. Boyle
>>> Law Building
>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
>>> Champaign, IL 61820 USA
>>> 217-333-7954 (phone)
>>> 217-244-1478 (fax)
>>> (personal comments only)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM
>>> To: Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>; 
>>> peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK 
>>> <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; peace <Peace at lists.chambana.net>; 
>>> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, 
>>> Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron 
>>> <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory 
>>> <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; 
>>> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel 
>>> <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; 
>>> Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s 
>>> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times
>>> 
>>> An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). 
>>> 
>>> "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.”
>>> 
>>> http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die
>>> 
>>> —CGE
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it 
>>>> was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org
>>>> 
>>>> The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate.
>>>> 
>>>> Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery.  This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence.
>>>> 
>>>> More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself.                  
>>>> 
>>>> Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist.  He has put together a regime that will carry out this  program, and worse.
>>>> 
>>>> This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.”
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map":
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map
>>>>> 
>>>>> —CGE
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to 
>>>>>> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the 
>>>>>> New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s 
>>>>>> of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the 
>>>>>> country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more 
>>>>>> people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get 
>>>>>> involved! www.refusefascism.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>> 
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These are important articles.

Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should consider militarism.  Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by design.

But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism, past and future.

Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more.  

I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But Trump wasn’t the fascist.  —CGE  



> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes:
> 
> https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/
> 
> https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/
> 
> https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/
> 
> The Weimar Analogy
> 
> The Weimar Analogy
> Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' antidemocratic fantasies.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard  Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and  the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's  last chance to get America into a war with Russia:
>     It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.
> Fab
> Ed Norton Professor of Law
> Carl Schmitt College of Law:
> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"
> 
> 
> 
> Francis A. Boyle
> Law Building
> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
> Champaign, IL 61820 USA
> 217-333-7954 (phone)
> 217-244-1478 (fax)
> (personal comments only)
> 


From niloofar.peace at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 21:45:37 2017
From: niloofar.peace at gmail.com (Niloofar Shambayati)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:45:37 -0600
Subject: [Peace]
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Although I appreciate the exchange of ideas about who's worse for America
and the rest of the world, I believe that the Peace-List is not an
appropriate medium for that. Those who're interested can always go to the
Peace-Discuss list. Thanks!

Niloofar Shambayati

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment
> to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by
> criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war).
>
> "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge
> the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being
> waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for
> over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of
> social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for
> two terms.”
>
> http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die
>
> —CGE
>
>
>
> > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was
> drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org
> >
> > The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate.
> >
> > Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by
> 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in
> 1787 to protect slavery.  This legacy of the most brutal oppression of
> Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and
> Pence.
> >
> > More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence
> regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and
> an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself.
> >
> > Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously
> attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions,
> closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” –
> nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women,
> openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and
> whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is
> a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly
> advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court
> with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He
> denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation
> on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up
> his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for
> constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and
> the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of
> law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton,
> not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump
> is a fascist.  He has put together a regime that will carry out this
> program, and worse.
> >
> > This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and
> momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of
> comparison with the politics of the 1930s.”
> >>
> >> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/
> >>
> >> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map":
> >>
> >> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map
> >>
> >> —CGE
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of
> this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is
> SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it?
> >>>
> >>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to
> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York
> Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people
> signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be
> publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you
> haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org
> >>>
> >>> Jay
> >>>
> >>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Thu Jan  5 13:58:03 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 07:58:03 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Arab American Institute against Royce-Engel HR 11,
 attacking UNSC res on settlements
Message-ID: <CALMNhNQ2U8tNNGDk6M1yzK+v3DTpaw3ymP6bPtC1do-RopDpPA@mail.gmail.com>

It's not just the DC peace Jews who are against it. Arab Americans who work
with the Democratic Party are also against it.

http://www.aaiusa.org/urge_your_member_of_congress_to_stand_
behind_president_obama_s_actions_at_the_un_security_council

===

Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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From mickalideh at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 17:21:26 2017
From: mickalideh at gmail.com (Harry Mickalide)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:21:26 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama, Kerry,
 UN on UNSC Res 2334
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Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this
is what you are saying:

"Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through
settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so
let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it."

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump
> advisors…”
>
> Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the
> Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration.
>
> They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s
> encourage their fears.
>
> —CGE
>
>
> > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist
> donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm
> experiencing some end-of-the-year density.
> >
> > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as
> well as the editorial itself:
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/opinion/is-israel-
> abandoning-a-two-state-solution.html?action=click&
> pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-
> c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.
> nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0
> >
> > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change
> among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by
> their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain
> superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during
> the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed
> individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing
> Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation
> with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition
> to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among
> Jews.
> >
> > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC
> administration.
> >
> > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on
> "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I
> fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing.
> >
> > Just food for thought.
> >
> > DG
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing with
> on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big bully
> for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies.
> >
> > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator
> Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr.
> I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting
> credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's
> support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy.
> >
> > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations
> Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for
> the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security
> Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East.
> >
> > [my emphasis]
> >
> > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob
> ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026
> >
> > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris Murphy,
> as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human Rights
> Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the General
> Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security Council
> is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly, and as a
> not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The United
> States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council. NOTHING
> HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a
> not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to
> mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even
> Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who
> insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK
> and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest
> that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic.
> >
> > ===
>
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Thu Jan  5 17:29:30 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:29:30 -0600
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss]  Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama,
 Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334
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Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread and I have no idea
what you are talking about and it makes no sense to me.

We supported the UNSC resolution against the settlements. We supported the
Obama/Kerry decision not to veto it. We are pushing back on attacks on the
UNSC resolution against settlements and we are pushing back on attacks on
Obama/Kerry for not vetoing it.

For example, we did this alert yesterday:

Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580

And this morning, we did a call alert to the House on the same topic.

Anyone here who cares about this could take half a minute to call Rodney
Davis and urge him to vote NO on the Royce-Engel resolution attacking the
UNSC resolution against settlements.

Rodney Davis: 202-225-2371

For more background detail, see here:

Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580








Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this
> is what you are saying:
>
> "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through
> settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so
> let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it."
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump
>> advisors…”
>>
>> Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the
>> Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration.
>>
>> They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s
>> encourage their fears.
>>
>> —CGE
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace <
>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist
>> donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm
>> experiencing some end-of-the-year density.
>> >
>> > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as
>> well as the editorial itself:
>> >
>> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni
>> ng-a-two-state-solution.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&
>> clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-
>> region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-
>> col-left-region&_r=0
>> >
>> > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change
>> among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by
>> their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain
>> superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during
>> the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed
>> individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing
>> Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation
>> with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition
>> to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among
>> Jews.
>> >
>> > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC
>> administration.
>> >
>> > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on
>> "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I
>> fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing.
>> >
>> > Just food for thought.
>> >
>> > DG
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <
>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing
>> with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big
>> bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies.
>> >
>> > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator
>> Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr.
>> I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting
>> credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's
>> support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy.
>> >
>> > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations
>> Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for
>> the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security
>> Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East.
>> >
>> > [my emphasis]
>> >
>> > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob
>> ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026
>> >
>> > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris
>> Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human
>> Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the
>> General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security
>> Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly,
>> and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The
>> United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council.
>> NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a
>> not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to
>> mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even
>> Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who
>> insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK
>> and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest
>> that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic.
>> >
>> > ===
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Peace mailing list
>> Peace at lists.chambana.net
>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From davegreen84 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  5 18:01:53 2017
From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 18:01:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss]  Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama,
 Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334
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Bob, I wasn't the only one confused by your original message, which seemed to be aimed at those of us you consider to the left of you in the pro-P movement. But you never elaborated on your message or my response to it.
In any event, I will inform Davis's office workers of my views, as I do in person regularly. I will point out to them, among other things, that nobody in our local Jewish community publicly expresses support for the Trump/Friedman approach.
DG 

    On Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:30 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
 
 

 Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread and I have no idea what you are talking about and it makes no sense to me.
We supported the UNSC resolution against the settlements. We supported the Obama/Kerry decision not to veto it. We are pushing back on attacks on the UNSC resolution against settlements and we are pushing back on attacks on Obama/Kerry for not vetoing it. 
For example, we did this alert yesterday:
Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580

And this morning, we did a call alert to the House on the same topic. 
Anyone here who cares about this could take half a minute to call Rodney Davis and urge him to vote NO on the Royce-Engel resolution attacking the UNSC resolution against settlements. 
Rodney Davis: 202-225-2371
For more background detail, see here:
Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580







Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this is what you are saying:
"Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it."
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

“...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump advisors…”

Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration.

They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s encourage their fears.

—CGE


> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm experiencing some end-of-the-year density.
>
> Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as well as the editorial itself:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12 /28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni ng-a-two-state-solution.html? action=click&pgtype=Homepage& clickSource=story-heading& module=opinion-c-col-left- region&region=opinion-c-col- left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c- col-left-region&_r=0
>
> Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among Jews.
>
> I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC administration.
>
> Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing.
>
> Just food for thought.
>
> DG
>
>
> On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies.
>
> So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr. I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy.
>
> Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East.
>
> [my emphasis]
>
> http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026
>
> Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly, and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council. NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic.
>
> ===

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From galliher at illinois.edu  Thu Jan  5 18:15:01 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 12:15:01 -0600
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss]  Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama,
	Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334
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True of a good number of us ULGs (ultra-left gentiles) as well. —CGE


> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:01 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Bob, I wasn't the only one confused by your original message, which seemed to be aimed at those of us you consider to the left of you in the pro-P movement. But you never elaborated on your message or my response to it.
> 
> In any event, I will inform Davis's office workers of my views, as I do in person regularly. I will point out to them, among other things, that nobody in our local Jewish community publicly expresses support for the Trump/Friedman approach.
> 
> DG
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:30 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread and I have no idea what you are talking about and it makes no sense to me.
> 
> We supported the UNSC resolution against the settlements. We supported the Obama/Kerry decision not to veto it. We are pushing back on attacks on the UNSC resolution against settlements and we are pushing back on attacks on Obama/Kerry for not vetoing it. 
> 
> For example, we did this alert yesterday:
> 
> Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements
> http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580
> 
> And this morning, we did a call alert to the House on the same topic. 
> 
> Anyone here who cares about this could take half a minute to call Rodney Davis and urge him to vote NO on the Royce-Engel resolution attacking the UNSC resolution against settlements. 
> 
> Rodney Davis: 202-225-2371
> 
> For more background detail, see here:
> 
> Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements
> http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Robert Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
> 
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this is what you are saying:
> 
> "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it."
> 
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump advisors…”
> 
> Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration.
> 
> They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s encourage their fears.
> 
> —CGE
> 
> 
> > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm experiencing some end-of-the-year density.
> >
> > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as well as the editorial itself:
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12 /28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni ng-a-two-state-solution.html? action=click&pgtype=Homepage& clickSource=story-heading& module=opinion-c-col-left- region&region=opinion-c-col- left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c- col-left-region&_r=0
> >
> > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among Jews.
> >
> > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC administration.
> >
> > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing.
> >
> > Just food for thought.
> >
> > DG
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies.
> >
> > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr. I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy.
> >
> > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East.
> >
> > [my emphasis]
> >
> > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026
> >
> > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly, and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council. NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic.
> >
> > ===


From davegreen84 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  5 18:29:50 2017
From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 18:29:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss]  Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama,
 Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334
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It's also noticeable that the local URGs (ultra-right goyim) don't seem to write letters in defense of Israel at all anymore. 

    On Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:15 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
 
 

 True of a good number of us ULGs (ultra-left gentiles) as well. —CGE


> On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:01 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Bob, I wasn't the only one confused by your original message, which seemed to be aimed at those of us you consider to the left of you in the pro-P movement. But you never elaborated on your message or my response to it.
> 
> In any event, I will inform Davis's office workers of my views, as I do in person regularly. I will point out to them, among other things, that nobody in our local Jewish community publicly expresses support for the Trump/Friedman approach.
> 
> DG
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:30 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread and I have no idea what you are talking about and it makes no sense to me.
> 
> We supported the UNSC resolution against the settlements. We supported the Obama/Kerry decision not to veto it. We are pushing back on attacks on the UNSC resolution against settlements and we are pushing back on attacks on Obama/Kerry for not vetoing it. 
> 
> For example, we did this alert yesterday:
> 
> Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements
> http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580
> 
> And this morning, we did a call alert to the House on the same topic. 
> 
> Anyone here who cares about this could take half a minute to call Rodney Davis and urge him to vote NO on the Royce-Engel resolution attacking the UNSC resolution against settlements. 
> 
> Rodney Davis: 202-225-2371
> 
> For more background detail, see here:
> 
> Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements
> http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Robert Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
> 
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this is what you are saying:
> 
> "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it."
> 
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump advisors…”
> 
> Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration.
> 
> They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s encourage their fears.
> 
> —CGE
> 
> 
> > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm experiencing some end-of-the-year density.
> >
> > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as well as the editorial itself:
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12 /28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni ng-a-two-state-solution.html? action=click&pgtype=Homepage& clickSource=story-heading& module=opinion-c-col-left- region&region=opinion-c-col- left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c- col-left-region&_r=0
> >
> > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among Jews.
> >
> > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC administration.
> >
> > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing.
> >
> > Just food for thought.
> >
> > DG
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies.
> >
> > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr. I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy.
> >
> > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East.
> >
> > [my emphasis]
> >
> > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026
> >
> > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly, and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council. NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic.
> >
> > ===


 
   
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From mickalideh at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 18:38:06 2017
From: mickalideh at gmail.com (Harry Mickalide)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 12:38:06 -0600
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss]  Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama,
 Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334
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Thanks for the clarification Robert! I indeed wholly misinterpeted you.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:29 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> It's also noticeable that the local URGs (ultra-right goyim) don't seem to
> write letters in defense of Israel at all anymore.
>
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:15 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <
> galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> True of a good number of us ULGs (ultra-left gentiles) as well. —CGE
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:01 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > Bob, I wasn't the only one confused by your original message, which
> seemed to be aimed at those of us you consider to the left of you in the
> pro-P movement. But you never elaborated on your message or my response to
> it.
> >
> > In any event, I will inform Davis's office workers of my views, as I do
> in person regularly. I will point out to them, among other things, that
> nobody in our local Jewish community publicly expresses support for the
> Trump/Friedman approach.
> >
> > DG
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:30 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread and I have no idea
> what you are talking about and it makes no sense to me.
> >
> > We supported the UNSC resolution against the settlements. We supported
> the Obama/Kerry decision not to veto it. We are pushing back on attacks on
> the UNSC resolution against settlements and we are pushing back on attacks
> on Obama/Kerry for not vetoing it.
> >
> > For example, we did this alert yesterday:
> >
> > Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to
> Settlements
> > http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580
> >
> > And this morning, we did a call alert to the House on the same topic.
> >
> > Anyone here who cares about this could take half a minute to call Rodney
> Davis and urge him to vote NO on the Royce-Engel resolution attacking the
> UNSC resolution against settlements.
> >
> > Rodney Davis: 202-225-2371 <(202)%20225-2371>
> >
> > For more background detail, see here:
> >
> > Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to
> Settlements
> > http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898>
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like
> this is what you are saying:
> >
> > "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians
> through settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to
> stop so let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it."
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump
> advisors…”
> >
> > Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the
> Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration.
> >
> > They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s
> encourage their fears.
> >
> > —CGE
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist
> donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm
> experiencing some end-of-the-year density.
> > >
> > > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial,
> as well as the editorial itself:
> > >
> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12 /28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni
> ng-a-two-state-solution.html? action=click&pgtype=Homepage&
> clickSource=story-heading& module=opinion-c-col-left-
> region&region=opinion-c-col- left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-
> col-left-region&_r=0
> > >
> > > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change
> among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by
> their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain
> superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during
> the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed
> individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing
> Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation
> with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition
> to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among
> Jews.
> > >
> > > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC
> administration.
> > >
> > > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on
> "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I
> fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing.
> > >
> > > Just food for thought.
> > >
> > > DG
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing
> with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big
> bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies.
> > >
> > > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut
> Senator Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr.
> I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting
> credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's
> support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy.
> > >
> > > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations
> Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for
> the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security
> Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East.
> > >
> > > [my emphasis]
> > >
> > > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob
> ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026
> > >
> > > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris
> Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human
> Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the
> General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security
> Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly,
> and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The
> United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council.
> NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a
> not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to
> mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even
> Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who
> insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK
> and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest
> that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic.
> > >
> > > ===
>
>
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Thu Jan  5 18:47:11 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 12:47:11 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Jewish Voice for Peace: ACTION ALERT: Urgent action needed
	against settlements
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Date: Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:39 AM
Subject: ACTION ALERT: Urgent action needed against settlements
To: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org


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From kmedina67 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 20:36:56 2017
From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 14:36:56 -0600
Subject: [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017
Message-ID: <CA+0uwiYaSyi_a7oUTaWD8KqpL=N+1EW5z2Z7d+gRjVvk=rz=Gw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Peace!
2017 is here.
Time for the first peace demonstration of the new year.
Saturday, January 7, 2017
2pm-4pm
Downtown Champaign, intersection of Neil St and Main St.

Dress in your warmest.

FYI, I will be there but alas Stuart will be in Springfield with the Sierra
Club.

Warmly,
-- karen medina
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From niloofar.peace at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 21:20:50 2017
From: niloofar.peace at gmail.com (Niloofar Shambayati)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 15:20:50 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama, Kerry,
 UN on UNSC Res 2334
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I have respectfully requested to limit the dissemination of your bright
ideas to peace-discuss. Peace List is only for announcements, not
pontifications.

Can the people in charge of these two lists reiterate the rules? Thanks!

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this
> is what you are saying:
>
> "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through
> settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so
> let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it."
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump
>> advisors…”
>>
>> Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the
>> Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration.
>>
>> They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s
>> encourage their fears.
>>
>> —CGE
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace <
>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist
>> donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm
>> experiencing some end-of-the-year density.
>> >
>> > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as
>> well as the editorial itself:
>> >
>> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni
>> ng-a-two-state-solution.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&
>> clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-
>> region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-
>> col-left-region&_r=0
>> >
>> > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change
>> among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by
>> their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain
>> superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during
>> the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed
>> individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing
>> Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation
>> with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition
>> to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among
>> Jews.
>> >
>> > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC
>> administration.
>> >
>> > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on
>> "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I
>> fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing.
>> >
>> > Just food for thought.
>> >
>> > DG
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <
>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing
>> with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big
>> bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies.
>> >
>> > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator
>> Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr.
>> I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting
>> credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's
>> support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy.
>> >
>> > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations
>> Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for
>> the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security
>> Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East.
>> >
>> > [my emphasis]
>> >
>> > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob
>> ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026
>> >
>> > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris
>> Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human
>> Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the
>> General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security
>> Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly,
>> and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The
>> United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council.
>> NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a
>> not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to
>> mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even
>> Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who
>> insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK
>> and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest
>> that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic.
>> >
>> > ===
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Peace at lists.chambana.net
>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Thu Jan  5 22:05:26 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 16:05:26 -0600
Subject: [Peace]
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Jay’s note is from the 'Revolutionary Communist Party,’ Bob Avakian’s group.

See their ad in Wednesday’s NY Times, <https://refusefascism.org>.

—CGE


> On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. 
> 
> One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: 
> 
> Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.revcom.us_a_472_trumps-2Dstay-2Dstrong-2Disrael-2Dtweet-2Dgenocidal-2Dimplications-2Den.html&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=AhFuAE-JtaI1EA-m6HK6J1ifDRXFqSCsAzHSnXLVlmo&s=NMlNOXqlJ2iwd6X5cN9ixW-8Py6pFdVxZg1Q0WCfBKE&e=>
> 
> Jay
> 

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From galliher at illinois.edu  Fri Jan  6 00:03:38 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 18:03:38 -0600
Subject: [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7,
	2017
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A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome.  


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[Text of the flyer as follows.]

THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST -
AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. 
THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP .

Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Obama is today making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what he is doing.
	
Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.”
	
When his second term ends this month, Barack Obama will have become the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. He chooses the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA.
	
In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The president is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. He also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. 
	
Not only is the Obama administration risking nuclear war, they’re preparing for it: President Obama has launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable!
	
The Obama administration is also responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. 

Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite.

When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said.

The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over them gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations.
	
Obama was elected twice because the generally anti-war US public understood him to say that he would end George Bush’s wars. But in office, Obama moved massively to expand Bush’s war in Afghanistan, and as he leaves office he promises ten thousand US troops will stay there - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace.

Astonishingly, the Obama administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the Obama administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. 

And the supporters of that murderous policies, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. 

The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire."

But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America?

AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump  
~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; 
~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; 
~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); 
~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; &
~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament.

~~~
	{This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort (AWARE) - a local Champaign-Urbana peace group; contact us at <aware at anti-war.net>.
	Watch our weekly discussion of war news on “AWARE on the Air” on Urbana Public TV and YouTube; open meetings Sundays at 5pm at Pizza-M, 208 West Main Street, Urbana.}
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Fri Jan  6 01:15:00 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:15:00 -0600
Subject: [Peace]
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It’s clear by now what's wrong with the “Trump is a fascist” line.

It’s inaccurate, but more importantly it’s a disingenuous defense of the neoliberal/neocon establishment.  

We need an anti-war/anti-Wall Street movement, not a defense of (pro-war/pro-Wall St.) Obama-Clinton Democrats. 

—CGE


> On Jan 5, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That article I shared is from Revolution newspaper, which is a publication of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Do we evaluate ideas based on their source, or the content? You mention only the one. 
> 
> RefuseFascism.org <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__RefuseFascism.org&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xJBcCfkEFuu-bD9C60Ptjmup7dDgkdbiSHciZehRroY&s=lP1n61gMJLCiveTAZtFSESywh1oVCh8iRfhNBih6fhc&e=> is a far far broader movement. One of the initiators is a member of the RCP, Carl Dix. Everyone is invited to check out the scope & range of the people <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__refusefascism.org_we-2Drefuse-2Dto-2Daccept-2Da-2Dfascist-2Damerica_-23sign&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xJBcCfkEFuu-bD9C60Ptjmup7dDgkdbiSHciZehRroY&s=5nrjLouLw6FfnNOCyWDL2pH4nnqH006AaCdbl0Htak4&e=> who have joined in this effort, at no small risk to themselves, and the Crowdrise crowd funding site lists the donations that funded the NY Times ad. 
> 
> I’m taken aback by this red baiting. If the RCP is involved in something, it’s “their ad?” 
> 
> Jay
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 16:05, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jay’s note is from the 'Revolutionary Communist Party,’ Bob Avakian’s group.
>> 
>> See their ad in Wednesday’s NY Times, <https://refusefascism.org <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__refusefascism.org_&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xJBcCfkEFuu-bD9C60Ptjmup7dDgkdbiSHciZehRroY&s=KpnkoZwDNRvNJxytT97_PEbar2qiPFSxFoEkExfYSmo&e=>>.
>> 
>> —CGE
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com <mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. 
>>> 
>>> One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: 
>>> 
>>> Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.revcom.us_a_472_trumps-2Dstay-2Dstrong-2Disrael-2Dtweet-2Dgenocidal-2Dimplications-2Den.html&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=AhFuAE-JtaI1EA-m6HK6J1ifDRXFqSCsAzHSnXLVlmo&s=NMlNOXqlJ2iwd6X5cN9ixW-8Py6pFdVxZg1Q0WCfBKE&e=>
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From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 04:25:51 2017
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 22:25:51 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Peace list is for announcements - please remove it from
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Niloofar is right.   Please use the Peace list for announcements, not 
discussions.

If you're replying to someone else's message, please check that the 
Peace list isn't included in the To: or Cc: list.  If it is, please take 
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On 1/5/17 3:20 PM, Niloofar Shambayati via Peace-discuss wrote:
> I have respectfully requested to limit the dissemination of your 
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From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 12:40:01 2017
From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 06:40:01 -0600
Subject: [Peace] need volunteers to hand out flyers against Rauner Mon-Tues
Message-ID: <CANDTtdnmfBLoCG1GqnPBQUY1j1H7ZLaGzV+eLyssp8DtvNWcCg@mail.gmail.com>

Gov Rauner needs to sign SB261 by Tuesday. We have flyers printed,
need volunteers to hand them out at local DHS office and anywhere you
can find a bunch of people.

Unless Gov. Rauner signs it by Jan 10, the ‘fair overtime bill”
(SB261) will die with the end of the legislative session. SB261
protects people with disabilities and ensures fair overtime rules for
home services caregivers.
The Rauner administration wants to punish home care workers for
working overtime - which could put people with disabilities in
jeopardy, and is unfair to caregivers.
Mon & Tues: Call (847) 957-7838
Ask the Rauner administration:
“Sign SB261, and negotiate fair rules that support people with
disabilities and workers.”
This overtime proposal is another example of the administration
squeezing people with disabilities, low income families and workers,
instead of asking billionaires and banks to pay their fair share.
Rauner says he’s even willing to let state services shut down instead
of negotiating a fair state budget, and a fair contract with state
employees.

Contact me at deb at pdamerica@gmail.com or 217=722=9665 to volunteer and
get flyers.

Thanks,
Deb
Central IL PDA

From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Fri Jan  6 14:21:56 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 08:21:56 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Mike Fredenburg | National Review: Mr. President,
	Cancel the F-35
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The F-35’s severe, ongoing problems with weight have resulted in *indefensible
decisions* affecting plane *safety*, reliability, and durability — *the
most egregious example being the removal of hundreds of pounds of equipment
designed to keep pilots from dying in fiery explosions.* Some of the safety
equipment removed includes the fuel tank’s ballistic liner, critical
fueldraulic fuses, the flammable coolant shut-off valve, and the dry bay
fire-extinguishing unit. The *unprecedented* and *pervasive* presence of
flammable hydraulic fluid, flammable coolants, and fuel throughout the
plane makes the F-35 a *flying tinderbox*. But without these *risky*
weight-reduction measures, the F-35 will not be able to meet even its
bare-minimum contractually mandated range goals. *It should be unacceptable
to ask American pilots to fly these fighters.*

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443612/f-35-donald-tru
mp-should-cancel-failed-f-35-fighter-jet-program


Mr. President, Cancel the F-35



by Mike Fredenburg January 6, 2017 4:00 AM



*Mike Fredenburg holds a B.S. in mechanical engineering and a masters in
production operations management and is a regular contributor to National
Review. A past contributor to the California Political Review and the San
Diego Union Tribune, he was the founding president of the Adam Smith
Institute of San Diego.*



The failed F-35 fighter-jet program can’t be fixed — it’s time to turn the
page.

Our incoming president’s willingness to boldly challenge the status quo is
arguably the main reason he was elected. And no defense project is more
representative of a disastrous status quo than the 20-year-old Joint Strike
Fighter program — the F-35. The F-35 program showcases all that is wrong
about our military’s vendor-dominated, crony-capitalist procurement system.
Unless dealt with decisively, its massive cost and its lack of capability
will have a dramatically negative impact on our military’s effectiveness
for decades to come.

Therefore, President-elect Trump’s willingness to publicly call out this
$1.5 trillion program is good news. However, getting involved in
negotiating a better price on incomplete, crippled fighters will not save
taxpayers any money in the long run — because the prices being negotiated
between Lockheed Martin and the Pentagon are prices designed to fool the
public about the F-35’s true costs. Lockheed Martin and the Pentagon both
know that any “discount” or price reduction negotiated in public will
quickly be made up on the back-end, where a plethora of upgrades, airframe
life-extension programs, and uber-expensive spare-parts purchases over the
life of the program will easily generate over $200 million for each plane
delivered. Consequently, if Trump expends presidential prestige to save a
few percent off the top, it won’t solve the underlying problem. Instead, he
will only validate a failed program that is a big part of the swamp he is
eager to drain as part of his plan to restore our depleted military.

In place of counter-productive price negotiations, within hours of taking
office President Donald Trump could use the extraordinary influence of
@realDonaldTrump to tweet 127 power-packed characters: “20 years and the
F-35 is still not working. Program a mess. Plane a mess. Time to stop
buying F-35s! New, better planes needed!”

More than any other single action, this tweet would signal that a new
sheriff is in town — a sheriff committed to taking on the entrenched
special interests that have corrupted the Pentagon.

TWENTY YEARS OF FAILURE

Just as Donald Trump turned out to be 100 percent correct about the
bloated, $4 billion Air Force One program, he would be justified in calling
foul on Marine Corps and Air Force claims that their F-35s have achieved
Initial Operating Capability (IOC). Contrary to recent statements made by
the executive officer of the F-35 program, Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan,
the F-35 is not back on track. It’s time to face the facts: Because of
fatal mistakes made during the conceptual design process well over 20 years
ago, the F-35 will forever be crippled by intractable weight and heat
issues that ensure that the program will never deliver a reliable,
cost-effective fighter.

Further evidence of this was revealed on Wednesday, when Inside Defense
exposed the fact that the Navy’s F-35C model has design defects that can
cause pilots to suffer disorientation and severe pain when undergoing
carrier catapult launches. As it stands, Navy pilots have determined the
F-35C is not “operationally suitable” for carrier launches. New design
changes to the F-35C will be required that could take years — and even our
carriers may need to be modified to fix the problem. This issue has been
known about for years, but until now it has been concealed from the public.

So, instead of an on-track program, what we have is a pattern of deceptive
statements and actions designed to create the illusion that the F-35
program is on track. The goal of this deception is to provide the political
cover necessary to allow the F-35’s supporters in Congress to continue to
fund the purchase of hundreds of incomplete, combat-incapable planes — each
of which will require many years and many tens of millions of dollars of
structural repairs, structural rework, systems-stability and functionality
fixes, engine modifications and retrofits, and more. And that is just to
get the planes to where they should have been when we took initial
delivery. Never before have we seen a warplane granted so many waivers and
reductions in key performance standards. Never before have we taken
delivery of so many planes so far from being complete and so far from being
ready for combat.

The F-35’s severe, ongoing problems with weight have resulted in
indefensible decisions affecting plane safety, reliability, and durability
— the most egregious example being the removal of hundreds of pounds of
equipment designed to keep pilots from dying in fiery explosions. Some of
the safety equipment removed includes the fuel tank’s ballistic liner,
critical fueldraulic fuses, the flammable coolant shut-off valve, and the
dry bay fire-extinguishing unit. The unprecedented and pervasive presence
of flammable hydraulic fluid, flammable coolants, and fuel throughout the
plane makes the F-35 a flying tinderbox. But without these risky
weight-reduction measures, the F-35 will not be able to meet even its
bare-minimum contractually mandated range goals. It should be unacceptable
to ask American pilots to fly these fighters.

Other bad design decisions executed in the name of saving weight have
focused on reducing the airframe’s weight. For example, load-bearing
structural bulkheads originally supposed to be made from fatigue-resistant
titanium were swapped out with fatigue-prone aluminum bulkheads. Now, we
have aluminum bulkheads suffering stress-induced fatigue cracks that will
require heavier bulkheads in future F-35s and weighty retrofit kits for
those that have already been built.

Unfortunately, cracked bulkheads are not the only casualty of the weight
pogrom. The Department of Operational Testing and Evaluation (DOT&E), which
answers to the secretary of defense, has issued reports that are full of
descriptions of cracks in engine parts, failed turbine blisks, cracks in
the floor, root-rib cracks, and the like. In 2004, the F-35’s F135 engine
was also subjected to an extreme weight-reduction program. Not
coincidentally, according to an April 2015 Government Accountability Office
report, it has very poor reliability — “less than half of where it should
be.”



THE PENTAGON’S SUGAR-COATED ASSESSMENTS

Complementing the extreme, unsustainable weight-reduction efforts have been
a raft of deceptive statements designed to fool the public as to the true
state of the program. The most blatantly deceptive statements are the
declarations by the Marine Corps and Air Force that their variants — the
F-34B and the F-35A, respectively — have achieved Initial Operating
Capability (IOC). In fact, they have not.

Moreover, it is shocking that best-practices protocols of the rigorous
operational testing followed by every major fighter program — including the
F-15, the F-14, the F-18, the A-10, the F-16, the A-6, the F-4, and even
the F-22 — were ignored. That Congress continues to let the service chiefs
and Lockheed Martin get away with their fictional IOC declarations is
another sign that congressional obeisance to Lockheed Martin has destroyed
its ability to provide effective oversight of our country’s defense.

Despite the thoroughly discredited set of exercises the Marines tried to
pass off as “operational testing” in May 2015, no service has been so
foolish as to complete the standard Initial Operational Testing &
Evaluation (IOT&E). In fact, the services accidentally forgot to order the
equipment that would allow them to even attempt the IOT&E. They understand
that going through the IOT&E could kill the program. Instead, the plan
appears to be to continue to avoid IOT&E like the plague for as long as
possible, while continuing to buy as many F-35s as possible.

Further evidence of a what a sham the Air Force and Marine Corps IOC
declarations are is revealed in a DOT&E memo. In it, we find that on the
battlefield F-35s are not an asset. In fact, America’s new fighters will
actually have to be protected in combat. Because of numerous performance
deficiencies and limited weapons capacity, the so-called operationally
capable F-35 will need support to locate and avoid threats, acquire
targets, and engage enemy aircraft. Unresolved deficiencies in sensor
fusion, electronic warfare, and weapons employment continue to result in
ambiguous threat displays, limited ability to effectively respond to
threats, and, in some cases, a requirement for off-board sources to provide
accurate coordinates for precision attack. In short, the F-35 — a flying
tinderbox — will need to be nursemaided by other aircraft that are actually
combat capable.

An August 9, 2016, DOT&E memo put the nail in the coffin with this damning
statement: “In fact, the [F-35] program is actually not on a path toward
success, but instead is on a path toward failing to deliver the full Block
3F capabilities [i.e., full combat capabilities].”

This statement distills to just a few words what independent airpower
analysts and all the DOT&E reports have been trying to tell us in gory
detail — the F-35 is a failing program and the IOC being touted by the Air
Force and Marines is nothing more than PR puffery designed to please
Congress and the big defense contractors, the future employers of a whole
lot of generals and admirals.

A PLANE SO ADVANCED, IT’S OBSOLETE

After two decades, the F-35 absolutely, positively has not achieved Initial
Operating Capability. By contrast, both the F-15 and the F-16 achieved IOC
in eight years or less — with full production following quickly. But
falsely declaring IOC is only the tip of the iceberg of what Lockheed
Martin and its supporters in the military have done to prop up a program
that by any reasonable measure is already a failure. Indeed, it has become
standard operating procedure for the F-35’s flaws and problems to be kicked
down the road to be fixed in the future.

In order to protect the F-35 from cancellation, the Pentagon has lowered
key performance requirements and helped Lockheed cheat so that it could
continue the charade that the F-35 will actually meet its bare-minimum
threshold ranges. And embarrassing, inexcusable design mistakes continue,
such as the F-35B not being able to carry the number of bombs it was
supposed to.

Because the Joint Strike Fighter’s development has been going on for over
20 years, much of its shiny new tech that looked so neat two decades ago is
now old tech. One victim of old age is the Distributed Aperture System —
the hard-wired design of which means that the F-35 is stuck with older
infrared sensors with vastly inferior resolution to what is available
today. Likewise, the F-35’s Electro-Optical Targeting Sensor is already
obsolete and is ten years behind those being used by our F-16s and A-10s.
Upgrading it will be difficult and costly.

After some 15 years of development, the F-35’s aging, increasingly
unsupportable Integrated Core Processor computer system needed upgrading.
Because of schedule pressures and the imperative to maintain the illusion
of progress, the decision was made to port 20 million lines of buggy,
immature code to the new architecture and then use that code as the base
for coding new significant functionality. This resulted in severe, ongoing
problems with the F-35’s avionics, its sensor fusion, and other unresolved
deficiencies. Many of these deficiencies are not scheduled to be corrected
until 2021.

Given all the above, how are we to interpret the announcement that a few
combat-incapable, unreliable, extremely expensive to maintain F-35s are
scheduled to be deployed to Europe later this year to help deter Russian
aggression? Rest assured, Vladimir Putin is not impressed — and neither
should we be. But even after many more years and many more billions of
dollars, we still won’t have cause to be impressed. That’s because of the
rapid proliferation of new anti-stealth radars by peer competitors such as
Russia and China, meaning the F-35 won’t be able to penetrate deep into
peer competitors’ air space to strike at critical targets as its supporters
claimed it would be able to do.

To make matters worse, the published $32,000-per-flying-hour cost is a
made-up number; its real cost per flying hour will likely be closer to the
$62,000 of the much less complex F-22. Its truly dismal
sustained-sortie-generation rate of one sortie (mission) every three or
four days means that, as is the case with our F-22 pilots, F-35 pilots will
only get a fraction of the 30 to 40 hours of stick-time (actual flying
time) per month necessary to gain and maintain fighter-combat mastery. The
chunky F-35 will find itself facing faster, more agile, longer-range
fighters carrying four times as many missiles. In going up against these
planes — fighters such as the Russian SU-35S — our F-35 will find itself at
a deadly disadvantage, despite its stealth.

IT TAKES A PRESIDENT

But enough about missiles and sorties, back to the cost question. Since
most of the real costs will occur after U.S. taxpayers take delivery, the
drama being played out in the media between Lockheed and the Pentagon is no
more than political theater. What we really have is a briar-patch exercise:
“Oh, you mean Mr. Pentagon! Please don’t force me to sell you these shiny
new planes for a few percent less than we wanted!” cries Lockheed, knowing
full well that each F-35 delivered will allow them to mainline taxpayer
dollars for decades to come.

The real goal is to obscure the true cost of the program for as long as
possible from taxpayers while pumping out as many revenue-producing
airframes as fast as possible — knowing that even Congress may at some
point become too embarrassed to continue to support the program.

So why, after 20 years, are we still dumping money into this plane? When
asked this question, Ron Kollmansberger, an aerospace-engineering manager
with decades of experience working on the F-15, the F-4, the A-10, and
the CH-53E, had this simple answer: “This is a jobs program, not an
airplane program.”

Ron’s answer cuts right to the heart of the matter. If not for its
super-sized pork-barrel politics and a military-procurement culture that
has gotten far too cozy with the defense industry to maintain any
objectivity, the F-35 would be canceled in a heartbeat. Sure, there are a
few F-35 critics in Congress, but no individual representative or senator
has the clout to lead a successful charge against the F-35. Taking down the
F-35 takes a president.

Starting on January 20, 2017, President Trump will be under the gun to get
as much done as quickly as possible. While he won’t be able to restore our
depleted military on Day One, he can send a strong message that restoring
our military is more than just about repealing defense sequestration and
spending more money — it’s about being smart in how we spend our money.

The F-35 is irredeemable. Contrary to the conventional wisdom on the Hill
and at the Pentagon, there are practical solutions that can replace the
failed Joint Strike Fighter project quickly while creating tens of
thousands of jobs and filling America’s national-security needs (more about
that in my next article). That said, no stronger message about reforming
our broken defense-procurement process can be sent than by canceling the
dumbest fighter program ever conceived.



Mr. President, please cancel the F-35.


===

Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  6 21:32:29 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 21:32:29 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Stopping War with Russia!
In-Reply-To: <A577E3DDF9C35E4DA9C0B5E0346A12F032586395@CITESMBX4.ad.uillinois.edu>
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Many of us fear you are absolutely correct. Which is why we must be ever vigilant in respect to what the Obama Administration is doing now, and in the next couple of weeks. Especially In respect to Russia and Syria. Russia is withdrawing many of it’s military from Syria, on the assumption that all is well. There are those who do not believe the war in Syria is over. The US is, relentless in pursuit of control.


On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:37, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>> wrote:



Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
Champaign IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone)
217-244-1478 (fax)
(personal comments only)

From: Boyle, Francis A
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:28 AM
To: Killeacle <fboyle at uiuc.edu<mailto:fboyle at uiuc.edu>>
Subject: Stopping War with Russia!

I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. And Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since his student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces  just like he broke up the Soviet Union for Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan—Al Qada. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. He is going for broke. They must be stopped. Hence all the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere  today. It is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003.
Fab.



Francis A. Boyle
Law Building
504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
Champaign IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone)
217-244-1478 (fax)
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  7 13:52:27 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 13:52:27 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: January 2017 three events related to Racial Justice
References: <d25986daa77dee111ea753e17.95ed3aba38.20170107110100.8665c72836.9c41cac7@mail187.atl61.mcsv.net>
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Begin forwarded message:

From: Amy Felty <asfelty at orangecrayon.com<mailto:asfelty at orangecrayon.com>>
Subject: January 2017 three events related to Racial Justice


Three events supporting Racial Justice are coming soon.

PART FIVE OF RACIAL JUSTICE FILM SERIES
Film Viewing Followed by Discussion

    The documentary film:         13TH

Sunday, January 8, 2017
2:00 pm – doors open
2:30 pm – film begins

UU Church
309 W. Green Street
Urbana, IL

Ava DuVernay's film is a powerful look at the United States prison system and how it reflects the American history of racial injustice. All are welcome.


***                 ***                 ***                 ***                 ***                 ***


16TH ANNUAL CHAMPAIGN COUNTY-WIDE MLK, JR.
Celebration and Awards

Friday, January 13, 2017
4:00 – 5:00 pm

Parkland College
Student Union “U” Building

Keynote speaker Dr. Christopher D. Benson
UIUC Associate Professor of African-American Studies
and Journalism


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FILM AT THE ART THEATER
Film Viewing Followed by Q and A

The Murder of Fred Hampton

Monday, January 16, 2017
7:00 pm

Art Theater
Downtown Champaign

“The 1971 documentary of the Illinois Black Panther Party and its fiery, young, brilliant chairman, Fred Hampton. What began as a film portrait of Hampton and the IBPP changed when, halfway through the shoot, Hampton was murdered by Chicago policeman. In an infamous moment in Chicago history, over a dozen policeman burst into Hampton’s apartment while its occupants were sleeping, killing Hampton and fellow Panther Mark Clark and brutalizing the other occupants. Filmmakers Mike Gray & Howard Alk arrived a few hours later to shoot film footage of the crime scene that was later used to contradict news reports and police testimony. Recently restored & reworked by Gray, The Murder of Fred Hampton is a chilling and invigorating slice of American history.” (1971, Mike Gray & Howard Alk, 90 min, NR)












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From kmedina67 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 02:05:19 2017
From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 20:05:19 -0600
Subject: [Peace] it was cold, but we did have a peace demonstration / eagle
Message-ID: <CA+0uwiZtx9YwyaMZiSFAjcVx9u8onUTKmOExNYbwNMJSe1mwhw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Peace,

It was a very cold day today, but we had a successful peace demonstration!
Thanks to all who came out! Especially Doug! Karen M, Carl, David, Karen A,
Midge, Don, and Dan!

It was not windy. Barely any snow. But the temperatures were low.
We saw a bald eagle fly over! (we = Doug, Karen M, and Don). That was the
first time I have ever seen a bald eagle in this town. We are not even
close to the rivers that they follow.

We had a lot of honks and waves. One "f____ing idiots" and of course some
people ignored us. Overwhelmingly positive.

Doug did an entire 2 hours (he even arrived early). The rest of us did part
of the two hours. For instance, my feet were cold so I took a few minutes
to browse the book store and then returned to the streets. We ended around
3:50pm.

-- karen medina
* http://www.baldeagleinfo.com/eagle/directory/IL.html
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From davegreen84 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  8 02:21:44 2017
From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 02:21:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace] it was cold,
 but we did have a peace demonstration / eagle
In-Reply-To: <CA+0uwiZtx9YwyaMZiSFAjcVx9u8onUTKmOExNYbwNMJSe1mwhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+0uwiZtx9YwyaMZiSFAjcVx9u8onUTKmOExNYbwNMJSe1mwhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1847877552.635323.1483842104544@mail.yahoo.com>

Next time we should probably just plan to do shifts; that way I wouldn't end up feeling like a wimp.
It seemed important to me that people see that even a few people are willing to brave the elements; for all they know, we were there all day. Responses were positive.
The populace has never been more antiwar, sez me. 

    On Saturday, January 7, 2017 8:05 PM, Karen Medina via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
 
 

 Dear Peace,

It was a very cold day today, but we had a successful peace demonstration!
Thanks to all who came out! Especially Doug! Karen M, Carl, David, Karen A, Midge, Don, and Dan! 

It was not windy. Barely any snow. But the temperatures were low. 
We saw a bald eagle fly over! (we = Doug, Karen M, and Don). That was the first time I have ever seen a bald eagle in this town. We are not even close to the rivers that they follow. 

We had a lot of honks and waves. One "f____ing idiots" and of course some people ignored us. Overwhelmingly positive.

Doug did an entire 2 hours (he even arrived early). The rest of us did part of the two hours. For instance, my feet were cold so I took a few minutes to browse the book store and then returned to the streets. We ended around 3:50pm. 

-- karen medina
* http://www.baldeagleinfo.com/eagle/directory/IL.html

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From jbw292002 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 02:39:26 2017
From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 20:39:26 -0600
Subject: [Peace] it was cold,
	but we did have a peace demonstration / eagle
In-Reply-To: <CA+0uwiZtx9YwyaMZiSFAjcVx9u8onUTKmOExNYbwNMJSe1mwhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+0uwiZtx9YwyaMZiSFAjcVx9u8onUTKmOExNYbwNMJSe1mwhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPnrEOUCWqQNmbohh0owXee4S8TBDqtdrp00LxzFkT9Ty9ysZg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Karen Medina via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Dear Peace,
>
> It was a very cold day today, but we had a successful peace demonstration!
> Thanks to all who came out! Especially Doug! Karen M, Carl, David, Karen
> A, Midge, Don, and Dan!
>
> It was not windy. Barely any snow. But the temperatures were low.
> We saw a bald eagle fly over! (we = Doug, Karen M, and Don). That was the
> first time I have ever seen a bald eagle in this town. We are not even
> close to the rivers that they follow.
>
> We had a lot of honks and waves. One "f____ing idiots" and of course some
> people ignored us. Overwhelmingly positive.
>
> Doug did an entire 2 hours (he even arrived early).
>

Doug Olive, I presume?  He is a Yeoman for Peace.  Seriously.  Not to
mention an aficionado of the natural world, and a consummate photographer.




> The rest of us did part of the two hours. For instance, my feet were cold
> so I took a few minutes to browse the book store and then returned to the
> streets. We ended around 3:50pm.
>
> -- karen medina
> * http://www.baldeagleinfo.com/eagle/directory/IL.html
>
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  8 02:42:14 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 02:42:14 +0000
Subject: [Peace] it was cold,
 but we did have a peace demonstration / eagle
In-Reply-To: <1847877552.635323.1483842104544@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CA+0uwiZtx9YwyaMZiSFAjcVx9u8onUTKmOExNYbwNMJSe1mwhw@mail.gmail.com>
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Talk about wimps, I was there a mere ten minutes.

On Jan 7, 2017, at 18:21, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Next time we should probably just plan to do shifts; that way I wouldn't end up feeling like a wimp.

It seemed important to me that people see that even a few people are willing to brave the elements; for all they know, we were there all day. Responses were positive.

The populace has never been more antiwar, sez me.


On Saturday, January 7, 2017 8:05 PM, Karen Medina via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:


Dear Peace,

It was a very cold day today, but we had a successful peace demonstration!
Thanks to all who came out! Especially Doug! Karen M, Carl, David, Karen A, Midge, Don, and Dan!

It was not windy. Barely any snow. But the temperatures were low.
We saw a bald eagle fly over! (we = Doug, Karen M, and Don). That was the first time I have ever seen a bald eagle in this town. We are not even close to the rivers that they follow.

We had a lot of honks and waves. One "f____ing idiots" and of course some people ignored us. Overwhelmingly positive.

Doug did an entire 2 hours (he even arrived early). The rest of us did part of the two hours. For instance, my feet were cold so I took a few minutes to browse the book store and then returned to the streets. We ended around 3:50pm.

-- karen medina
* http://www.baldeagleinfo.com/eagle/directory/IL.html

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https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace


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From davegreen84 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  8 02:45:22 2017
From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 02:45:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace] it was cold,
 but we did have a peace demonstration / eagle
In-Reply-To: <CAPnrEOUCWqQNmbohh0owXee4S8TBDqtdrp00LxzFkT9Ty9ysZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+0uwiZtx9YwyaMZiSFAjcVx9u8onUTKmOExNYbwNMJSe1mwhw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPnrEOUCWqQNmbohh0owXee4S8TBDqtdrp00LxzFkT9Ty9ysZg@mail.gmail.com>
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No that's Doug Clough; but I'm sure all you say about Doug O. is true, plus he's smart enough not to want to stand outside in 16 degree weather. 

    On Saturday, January 7, 2017 8:39 PM, John W. via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
 
 

 
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Karen Medina via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Dear Peace,

It was a very cold day today, but we had a successful peace demonstration!
Thanks to all who came out! Especially Doug! Karen M, Carl, David, Karen A, Midge, Don, and Dan! 

It was not windy. Barely any snow. But the temperatures were low. 
We saw a bald eagle fly over! (we = Doug, Karen M, and Don). That was the first time I have ever seen a bald eagle in this town. We are not even close to the rivers that they follow. 

We had a lot of honks and waves. One "f____ing idiots" and of course some people ignored us. Overwhelmingly positive.

Doug did an entire 2 hours (he even arrived early).

Doug Olive, I presume?  He is a Yeoman for Peace.  Seriously.  Not to mention an aficionado of the natural world, and a consummate photographer.

 
 The rest of us did part of the two hours. For instance, my feet were cold so I took a few minutes to browse the book store and then returned to the streets. We ended around 3:50pm. 

-- karen medina
* http://www.baldeagleinfo.com/ eagle/directory/IL.html

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From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 10:42:28 2017
From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 04:42:28 -0600
Subject: [Peace] it was cold,
	but we did have a peace demonstration / eagle
In-Reply-To: <1122071986.621518.1483843522167@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CA+0uwiZtx9YwyaMZiSFAjcVx9u8onUTKmOExNYbwNMJSe1mwhw@mail.gmail.com>
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Kudos on your fortitude. Bald eagles have made a real comeback since the pesticide DDT was banned. There is a nest near St Joe(near Salt Fork River) and they are occasionally spotted over the large cemeteries in C-U, as well as the peripheral housing neighborhoods with constructed ponds. 

It is always good when Mother Earth sends one of her creatures to an unlikely place to remind us that we are one and we're all in this together. 

Deb


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:45 PM, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> No that's Doug Clough; but I'm sure all you say about Doug O. is true, plus he's smart enough not to want to stand outside in 16 degree weather.
> 
> 
> On Saturday, January 7, 2017 8:39 PM, John W. via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Karen Medina via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear Peace,
> 
> It was a very cold day today, but we had a successful peace demonstration!
> Thanks to all who came out! Especially Doug! Karen M, Carl, David, Karen A, Midge, Don, and Dan! 
> 
> It was not windy. Barely any snow. But the temperatures were low. 
> We saw a bald eagle fly over! (we = Doug, Karen M, and Don). That was the first time I have ever seen a bald eagle in this town. We are not even close to the rivers that they follow. 
> 
> We had a lot of honks and waves. One "f____ing idiots" and of course some people ignored us. Overwhelmingly positive.
> 
> Doug did an entire 2 hours (he even arrived early).
> 
> Doug Olive, I presume?  He is a Yeoman for Peace.  Seriously.  Not to mention an aficionado of the natural world, and a consummate photographer.
> 
> 
>  
> The rest of us did part of the two hours. For instance, my feet were cold so I took a few minutes to browse the book store and then returned to the streets. We ended around 3:50pm. 
> 
> -- karen medina
> * http://www.baldeagleinfo.com/ eagle/directory/IL.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Peace mailing list
> Peace at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Mon Jan  9 16:13:10 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 10:13:10 -0600
Subject: [Peace] UPTV programs for the first week of 2017
In-Reply-To: <2e2e33b754febf97f0d8bcf73b1f6ae6@shout.net>
References: <2e2e33b754febf97f0d8bcf73b1f6ae6@shout.net>
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AWARE ON THE AIR - Episode #394 | Tuesday 3 January 2017 |
Members and friends of AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, present a weekly hour of discussion of the US government's war-making and its attendant racism: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfKuzvyu81s>. The discussants are Karen Aram, C. G. Estabrook, and Ed Mandel.
Produced and directed by Yousef Kash for Urbana (IL) Public TV.

NEWS FROM NEPTUNE - Episode #325, a Last Throw of the Dicey Democrats? edition | Friday 6 January 2017 |
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDSus1P6vQg>.
Since 1990, News from Neptune has been a weekly hour of spontaneous and unrehearsed discussion of the news of the week and its coverage by the media, first on a soi-disant community radio station, and now on Urbana (IL) Public TV.
This edition was produced and directed by Yousef Kash. The discussants are C. G. Estabrook, David Green, and David Johnson.

###

From divisek at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 10 18:23:27 2017
From: divisek at yahoo.com (Dianna Visek)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:23:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace] Help us reach a million signatures to pardon Edward Snowden
References: <1146034465.777761.1484072607307.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1146034465.777761.1484072607307@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Dianna,
Thanks to supporters like you, more than 850,000 people have asked President Obama to pardon Edward Snowden since we launched our campaign.
This week, we're going to deliver all of those signatures to the White House. Can you help us get to 1 million signatures by asking your networks to take action using this link?
With just days left before a new and radically different administration takes power, we need to remind President Obama that Snowden undertook a moral, necessary, and patriotic act when he disclosed our government's unchecked surveillance programs. By pardoning him, President Obama has the chance to do the same.
That is why a wide array of national security experts [1], members of the news media [2], human rights advocates [3], and technology leaders [4] agree that leniency for Edward Snowden will benefit our country - and the world.
A presidential pardon isn't just just the right thing to do to correct past wrongs. It is necessary to reinforce democratic norms. As national security experts Ryan Goodman and Samuel Moyn wrote for Just Security in November:A pardon by such a highly respected President as Obama would go a long way to encouraging public servants to blow the whistle if and when Trump or his appointees break the sacred trust with our constitution or the rule of law. [5] With a single stroke of his pen, President Obama can reinforce American values, give hope to countless citizens, and place Snowden back where he belongs: at home, fighting for freedom alongside all of us. There is still time to help ensure the president hears our message loud and clear. Please forward this email to your networks and ask them to take action. You can also share via Twitter or Facebook. Thank you for fighting with us. Sincerely,The Pardon Snowden Team [1] Why Obama Should Pardon Edward Snowden, Lawfare, September 14, 2016 [2] Edward Snowden, Whistle-Blower, New York Times, January 1, 2014 [3] Pardon Edward Snowden, New York Times, September 15, 2016 [4] Edward Snowden is a saint, not a sinner, CNN, October 21, 2016 [5] Trump's Whistleblowers - Why Pardoning Manning and Snowden Makes Sense Now, Just Security, November 17, 2016
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 11 21:11:04 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:11:04 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: What you're seeing in Aleppo is propaganda,
	by Patrick Cockburn
References: <cabd77be4fc8304a8e3cc6911098f3ff@web509>
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See the link below which explains why any original anti-Assad Syrian rebels, are likely dead or exiles.

What we're seeing in Aleppo is propaganda. By Patrick Cockburn.

I thought you'd like this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/aleppo-crisis-syrian-war-bashar-al-assad-isis-more-propaganda-than-news-a7479901.html

What you're seeing in Aleppo is propaganda
It has just become more dangerous to be a foreign correspondent reporting on the civil war in Syria. This is because the jihadis holding power in east Aleppo were able to exclude Western journalists, who would be abducted and very likely killed if they went there, and replace them as news sources with highly partisan “local activists” who cannot escape being under jihadi control.


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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 12 12:28:32 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:28:32 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: First Stand for Real Health Care Reform Sunday Jan 15
References: <CANDTtdne2a+65EA3mcvRtQc4Tv64H3H+PDTSEeRZZARC2ocF-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Begin forwarded message:

From: Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com<mailto:deb.pdamerica at gmail.com>>
Subject: First Stand for Real Health Care Reform Sunday Jan 15
Date: January 12, 2017 at 03:36:15 PST


Weather permitting, Central IL PDA will assemble outside the Champaign
Public Library on Sunday Jan 15 at 12:50 (library opens at 1) to rally
against repealing the ACA until and unless it is replaced by Medicare
For All. We will have a banner, signs, and flyers to distribute.
Please help show your support for real health care reform on Sunday
and join us at the library!

Also, keep calling Rep. Rodney Davis at 403-4690 to express your
opinion on the proposed repeal/delay/make Americans die again health
care plans afoot in Congress.

See you there!
Deb

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From galliher at illinois.edu  Sat Jan 14 00:45:32 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:45:32 -0600
Subject: [Peace] P. Gregory Springer
Message-ID: <C4809179-5769-4C31-8CE7-ED3A5CFB0DB8@illinois.edu>

Greg Springer has posted notes on Facebook and online <http://pgspringer2.blogspot.com/ <http://pgspringer2.blogspot.com/>> that suggest suicide.

If you know Greg, get in touch. I can’t find a phone number.

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From galliher at illinois.edu  Sat Jan 14 01:31:00 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:31:00 -0600
Subject: [Peace] P. Gregory Springer
In-Reply-To: <C4809179-5769-4C31-8CE7-ED3A5CFB0DB8@illinois.edu>
References: <C4809179-5769-4C31-8CE7-ED3A5CFB0DB8@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <8E7135E1-4328-4D3C-BE70-EE66B0EC6229@illinois.edu>

He just (7 minutes ago) posted to his Facebook page from Mexico City…

> On Jan 13, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> Greg Springer has posted notes on Facebook and online <http://pgspringer2.blogspot.com/ <http://pgspringer2.blogspot.com/>> that suggest suicide.
> 
> If you know Greg, get in touch. I can’t find a phone number.
> 
> --CGE

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From galliher at illinois.edu  Sat Jan 14 02:33:26 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:33:26 -0600
Subject: [Peace] p. Gregory Springer
Message-ID: <BE25F3E6-B830-42EF-A19D-6C228F9CEEFA@illinois.edu>

About 7:30pm (Chicago time) he posted to his Facebook page from Mexico City.

From galliher at illinois.edu  Sat Jan 14 02:33:26 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:33:26 -0600
Subject: [Peace] p. Gregory Springer
Message-ID: <BE25F3E6-B830-42EF-A19D-6C228F9CEEFA@illinois.edu>

About 7:30pm (Chicago time) he posted to his Facebook page from Mexico City.

From gordonoyer at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 03:10:52 2017
From: gordonoyer at gmail.com (Gordon Oyer)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Peace] P. Gregory Springer
In-Reply-To: <8E7135E1-4328-4D3C-BE70-EE66B0EC6229@illinois.edu>
References: <C4809179-5769-4C31-8CE7-ED3A5CFB0DB8@illinois.edu>
 <8E7135E1-4328-4D3C-BE70-EE66B0EC6229@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <CAOAbHmQST6Eh4C4n5KKfH7CAGak8pN7SNbg00tQNbS9CXrWCPA@mail.gmail.com>

Fyi, I sent the following to Carl earlier but failed to hit "reply all"...

Greg has been planning this trip to Mexico for some time. He's also been
planning this blog to coincide with the trip since Nov. 8 in response to
the election. He has a service trip in Honduras planned for the Spring,
too. He's despondent and disgruntled, he misses Lee greatly, but I don't
think suicide is part of his plan. I'm no psychologist though. I'm sure
everyone's concern is appreciated.


On Jan 13, 2017 8:31 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> He just (7 minutes ago) posted to his Facebook page from Mexico City…
>
> On Jan 13, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Greg Springer has posted notes on Facebook and online <
> http://pgspringer2.blogspot.com/> that suggest suicide.
>
> If you know Greg, get in touch. I can’t find a phone number.
>
> --CGE
>
>
>
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Sun Jan 15 01:53:45 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 19:53:45 -0600
Subject: [Peace] UPTV programs for the second week of 2017
In-Reply-To: <95CA6AE9-8757-4079-9CB2-4832F4381DB8@illinois.edu>
References: <2e2e33b754febf97f0d8bcf73b1f6ae6@shout.net>
 <95CA6AE9-8757-4079-9CB2-4832F4381DB8@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <DB4CEF0D-7BBA-4BDB-B6EC-1ED73D027E74@illinois.edu>

AWARE ON THE AIR - Episode #395 | Tuesday 10 January 2017 |
Members and friends of AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, present a weekly hour of discussion of the US government's war-making and its attendant racism.
This week C. G. Estabrook presents anti-war comments by Medea Benjamin, Pepe Escobar, Chris Hedges, Bill Kauffman, and Kathy Kelly.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW05xTqZBms <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW05xTqZBms>> Produced and directed by Yousef Kash for Urbana (IL) Public TV.

NEWS FROM NEPTUNE - Episode #326, a Last-Minute Usurpation edition | Friday 13 January 2017 |
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t94YYpWSeAc <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t94YYpWSeAc>>. Since 1990, News from Neptune has been a weekly hour of spontaneous and unrehearsed discussion of the news of the week and its coverage by the media, first on a soi-disant community radio station, and now on Urbana (IL) Public TV.
This edition was produced and directed by Yousef Kash. The discussants are C. G. Estabrook and David Green.

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From galliher at illinois.edu  Sun Jan 15 01:53:45 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 19:53:45 -0600
Subject: [Peace] UPTV programs for the second week of 2017
In-Reply-To: <95CA6AE9-8757-4079-9CB2-4832F4381DB8@illinois.edu>
References: <2e2e33b754febf97f0d8bcf73b1f6ae6@shout.net>
 <95CA6AE9-8757-4079-9CB2-4832F4381DB8@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <DB4CEF0D-7BBA-4BDB-B6EC-1ED73D027E74@illinois.edu>

AWARE ON THE AIR - Episode #395 | Tuesday 10 January 2017 |
Members and friends of AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, present a weekly hour of discussion of the US government's war-making and its attendant racism.
This week C. G. Estabrook presents anti-war comments by Medea Benjamin, Pepe Escobar, Chris Hedges, Bill Kauffman, and Kathy Kelly.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW05xTqZBms <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW05xTqZBms>> Produced and directed by Yousef Kash for Urbana (IL) Public TV.

NEWS FROM NEPTUNE - Episode #326, a Last-Minute Usurpation edition | Friday 13 January 2017 |
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t94YYpWSeAc <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t94YYpWSeAc>>. Since 1990, News from Neptune has been a weekly hour of spontaneous and unrehearsed discussion of the news of the week and its coverage by the media, first on a soi-disant community radio station, and now on Urbana (IL) Public TV.
This edition was produced and directed by Yousef Kash. The discussants are C. G. Estabrook and David Green.

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From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 17:02:04 2017
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:02:04 -0600
Subject: [Peace] EFF petition against new mass surveillance rules
Message-ID: <52a5d2c9-6523-e863-e45d-1f803cac3769@gmail.com>

Just before leaving office, the Obama administration posts new rules 
allowing many agencies to scan NSA's mass surveillance data.

Analysts "can only search the raw data for information about Americans 
for foreign intelligence and counterinsurgency".   That might sound like 
an improvement (if you're an American, anyway), but: “if analysts 
stumble across evidence that an American has committed *any crime*, they 
will send it to the Justice Department." Even if there had been no 
warrant, no probable cause to search for information about you, mass 
surveillance data being scanned for other people might lead to charges 
against you.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation has a petition - let the Obama 
Administration know they're doing the wrong thing.

https://act.eff.org/action/tell-obama-stop-mass-surveillance-under-executive-order-12333 

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 17 15:13:27 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:13:27 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: January 22, 2017 Vigil for Our Common Home
References: <d25986daa77dee111ea753e17.95ed3aba38.20170117050051.04b55708ba.d4e23a91@mail196.atl21.rsgsv.net>
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From: Amy Felty <asfelty at orangecrayon.com<mailto:asfelty at orangecrayon.com>>
Subject: January 22, 2017 Vigil for Our Common Home
Date: January 16, 2017 at 21:00:58 PST
Reply-To: Amy Felty <asfelty at orangecrayon.com<mailto:asfelty at orangecrayon.com>>


Please spread the word to connect with one another for healthier, inclusive communities.

Vigil for Our Common Home

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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Jan 18 04:47:05 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 22:47:05 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Rauner in Champaign tomorrow AM at Franklin Middle School
Message-ID: <CALMNhNRDbriqCY4e0cFuftXxZthT+r9eHSbniA+Ks92DX6HM8A@mail.gmail.com>

As if. Gag me with a spoon.

There might be a protest.

Here's the Facebook thingy:

https://www.facebook.com/events/359458031100989/
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From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 12:30:16 2017
From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 06:30:16 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Rauner in Champaign tomorrow AM at Franklin Middle
	School
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNRDbriqCY4e0cFuftXxZthT+r9eHSbniA+Ks92DX6HM8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNRDbriqCY4e0cFuftXxZthT+r9eHSbniA+Ks92DX6HM8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A43CC1E4-CD42-4B20-A3E9-9F9411B1A8DF@gmail.com>

I urge everyone to show up. Rauner needs to know that we want a clean budget , and we will not be bullied or cajoled into submission. 

Resist!
Deb

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 10:47 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> As if. Gag me with a spoon. 
> 
> There might be a protest. 
> 
> Here's the Facebook thingy: 
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/events/359458031100989/
> 
> 
> 
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Jan 18 16:39:06 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 10:39:06 -0600
Subject: [Peace] MK Ayman Odeh shot w/ "rubber bullet"
Message-ID: <CALMNhNTgth3QjmGdPbKWHT-JqVTxsx3byNgnPJKpuY5gVR0f0g@mail.gmail.com>

while protesting destruction of Arab village.

<https://twitter.com/mattduss/status/821697341283504128>
https://twitter.com/mattduss/status/821697341283504128

Rabbi Arik Ascherman's eyewitness account, contradicting police denial of
use of rubber bullets and claim that Odeh was hit with a rock thrown by
"rioters."

https://twitter.com/mattduss/status/821741220900798465
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From kmedina67 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 03:44:21 2017
From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:44:21 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Women's March and Candlelight Vigil - First 100 Hours
Message-ID: <7cajf46ced86owfy9werf60s.1484883861048@email.android.com>


 two events this weekend during the first 100 hours of the inauguration.
Women's MarchSat. January 21 at 11 amJoin the march in West Side park.  Bring signs  if you want....messages like "I am a woman. I [choose your favorite issue] am anti-war. And I vote."
Candlelight VigilSun., January 22 at 5:30 pmWest Side Park Gazebo See the News Gazette article by Melissa Merli athttp://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2017-01-18/environmental-vigil-set-sunday-west-side-park.html
See you there.

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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 16:27:43 2017
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:27:43 -0600
Subject: [Peace] a protest action a day, keeps fascism at bay
References: <1A7CA7A2-82F2-4BD9-A8A1-7EC18288BAC8@me.com>
Message-ID: <520AC88E-6EDC-46E0-ADB9-FD534DE6619E@gmail.com>

Hi friends—this is an effort that takes 5 minutes. It’s not too late to send the letter today. 

I know the obfuscating Republicans are saying they are not ‘repealing’ Obamacare, they are ‘fixing it’. but I think they’ll get the message. 
sp

And I changed the message to read: “Don’t make America sick again. Improve Obamacare(upgrade it to PatchAdams care)—don’t repeal it. 

>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Received this today. Creative idea ... easy and worth a try.
>>>>> Listen Up! The Republicans need to get the message from the majority of Americans that we value and need the benefits of Obamacare. Here’s how we do that.
>>>>> On January 24rd, everyone who feels that way (our numbers are legion) sends a note to Donald Trump with a simple message:
>>>>> “Don’t make America sick again. Improve Obamacare. Don’t repeal it."
>>>>> One envelope for every ACA supporter in your household…even if they are under 18 years old.
>>>>> Just that simple message. Put it in an envelope, and put a stamp on it.
>>>>> On January 23rd, mail it to:
>>>>> Pres. Donald Trump
>>>>> 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW,
>>>>> Washington, DC 20500
>>>>> Can you imagine the picture of 53 MILLION letters arriving at the White House by January 26th? It will be a mountain. That image might help deter the Republicans from killing the most substantial improvement to American healthcare since the discovery of Penicillin.
>>>>> Do it today! Drop it into a mailbox near you on Monday, January 23rd.
>>>>> Please send this email to 20 (or more) of your friends, neighbors ann fellow Americans. Ask them to do the same.
>>>>> This also helps out the US Postal Service, with about $20 Million of stamp sales.
>>>>> Don’t send emails to Trump…they don’t photograph well.
>>>>> This is about images, since words and ideas are falling on deaf ears.
>>>> 
> 
> ----------
> Marian Rich
> 917-509-2764
> www.castillo.org <http://www.castillo.org/>
> www.allstars.org
> http://careerplayinc.com
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Tue Jan 24 16:44:11 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:44:11 -0600
Subject: [Peace] No new AWARE ON THE AIR today
Message-ID: <4EB7EC83-7627-45B0-865C-369591C8169E@illinois.edu>

We will not be recording a new AWRE ON THE AIR at UPTV today.

From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Jan 25 12:57:32 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 06:57:32 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Church Wld Svc urges Faith Groups,
	Leaders to Tweet Trump on refugee resettlement
Message-ID: <CALMNhNQT3tofSbhitQomeX5rQtKoChxRDcasxCMY4m9YZ8LBwQ@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jen Smyers CWS
Date: Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 6:17 AM
Subject: URGENT: Need Faith Groups & Leaders to Tweet, Facebook Trump

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/do-not-stop-refugee-resettl
e?source=c.tw&r_by=17624300

Hi everyone - we have seen
> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-exclusive-idUSKBN1582XQ> media
> reports that Trump will make an announcement stopping refugee resettlement
> for certain nationalities and/or religions, among pausing resettlement
> altogether.
>
> Now that the announcement has gotten media attention, we want to lift up
> faith voices in particular DIRECTLY TO TRUMP expressing opposition, in an
> effort to hopefully change these plans. Yes, we know this is different than
> what we were saying a few hours ago, but given that things are more public
> now we need to take action NOW.
>
> PLEASE DO 3 THINGS IMMEDIATELY:
>
> 1. *Sign this petition
> <http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/do-not-stop-refugee-resettle?source=c.tw&r_by=17624300>*
> stating opposition to any plans to stop refugee resettlement. Remember to
> confirm your sign-on via your email, otherwise it won’t be counted.
>
> 2. *Tweet **@realDonaldTrump <https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump> & *
> *@POTUS* <https://twitter.com/POTUS> - Samples (please personalize from
> your group):
>
> *. at realDonaldTrump <https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump> & @POTUS
> <https://twitter.com/POTUS> **Don't stop welcoming refugees. Resettlement
> demonstrates the best of our values #RefugeesWelcome*
>
> *. at realDonaldTrump <https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump> & @POTUS
> <https://twitter.com/POTUS> Keep America welcoming. Refugee resettlement is
> a proud American legacy with bipartisan support #RefugeesWelcome*
>
> *. at realDonaldTrump <https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump> & @POTUS
> <https://twitter.com/POTUS> People of faith OPPOSE a religious litmus test
> for refugees **bit.ly/FaithLeaders4ALLRefugees
> <http://bit.ly/FaithLeaders4ALLRefugees>* hias.org/1500rabbis
> *#RefugeesWelcome*
>
> *. at realDonaldTrump <https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump> & @POTUS
> <https://twitter.com/POTUS> Denying Muslim refugees safety is an affront to
> religious liberty #RefugeesWelcome **bit.ly/FaithLeaders4ALLRefugees
> <http://bit.ly/FaithLeaders4ALLRefugees>* hias.org/1500rabbis.
>
> *. at realDonaldTrump <https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump> & @POTUS
> <https://twitter.com/POTUS> **More than 800 faith leaders are opposed to
> any policy that would keep Muslim refugees from seeking safety: **bit.ly/FaithLeaders4ALLRefugees
> <http://bit.ly/FaithLeaders4ALLRefugees>*
>
> *. at realDonaldTrump <https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump> & @POTUS
> <https://twitter.com/POTUS> **Christians oppose policies that would deny
> Muslims refuge and preference Christians **bit.ly/FaithLeaders4ALLRefugees
> <http://bit.ly/FaithLeaders4ALLRefugees>*
>
> 3. Send the White House a *Facebook message* at Facebook.com/WhiteHouse
> <https://www.facebook.com/WhiteHouse/> AND submit an electronic message
> at whitehouse.gov/contact - Samples (please personalize from your group):
>
> *President Trump, We are hearing that you will stop refugee resettlement
> based on someone's nationality or religion. As a faith group, we are
> STRONGLY opposed to any policy change that would deny access to refugees
> based on their religion or nationality. Please reject such ideas, as a
> religious litmus test for safety is an affront to religious liberty. *
>
> *As faith groups that work with thousands of members of our communities in
> churches and synagogues across the country to welcome refugees every day,
> we oppose any plan to reduce refugee admissions and to prevent Muslim
> refugees from being resettled in the United States. We urge you to allow
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> <http://bit.ly/FaithLeaders4ALLRefugees>*
>
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> Also, we are re-opening the sign on letter, so that any faith leaders who
> are not on the letter and would like to be can sign up at
> http://bit.ly/FaithLeaders4Refugees.
>
> Thanks everyone. Please note that we still do not know when an executive
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> House petition. We will continue to send information as we receive it and
> are still planning on broader action alerts following any announcement that
> would turn our back on refugees.
>
> -Jen
>
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> Immigration and Refugee Program
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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 15:54:13 2017
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:54:13 -0600
Subject: [Peace] TODAY at noon: Billy Keniston on repression of white
	radicals influenced by Black Consciousness in 1970's in South Africa
References: <D408E0D9-0E5B-450D-AF5F-9D90738FDA41@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <DFC7450E-6FA5-4B51-BFD7-B8795F3A8F40@gmail.com>

Hi friends——sorry for the short notice. Billy is an excellent writer, and a thoughtful politicized person. 

Center for African Studies is located at 210 International Studies Bldg, 910 South Fifth Street, Champaign

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: billy keniston <kenisto2 at illinois.edu>
> Subject: I'm giving a talk, this Wednesday 1/25 at the Center for African Studies, at noon
> Date: January 20, 2017 at 1:02:28 PM CST
> To: Taylor Sparow <tfsparow at gmail.com>
> 
> Dear friends and colleagues,
> 
> This coming wednesday, I will be giving a talk at the Center for African Studies. There is more information below, but in more casual terms, I am going to be presenting my research that I have been doing, into the ways that the state repressed young white radicals that were influenced by Black Consciousness in the 1970s in South Africa. I have done a number of interviews with the friends of Rick Turner (www.morethanthinking.wordpress.com <http://www.morethanthinking.wordpress.com/>) and have been reading through a 1,200 page government report on these young activists and the organizations they were a part of.
> 
> I’m trying to understand more deeply the relationship between the “thinking” arm of the government, and the “violent” arm, which are forever connected to one another, and working side by side. 
> 
> And I’m trying to understand what people - especially people with privilege - are supposed to do in response to a repressive society.
> 
> In that sense, at least, I hope that the talk is timely, and not “merely” history.
> 
> Hope to see you there,
> billy
> 
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: "Gitler, Terri" <tgitler at illinois.edu <mailto:tgitler at illinois.edu>>
>> Subject: CAS brown bag, 1/25
>> Date: January 18, 2017 at 1:09:23 PM CST
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> On Wednesday, January 25, we will have our first brown bag of the spring semester from noon to 1:00 in 101 ISB. It will feature Billy Keniston of the History Department speaking on "The Troubled Mind of Apartheid: Black Consciousness  and White Radicals Through the Eyes of the 1972 Schlebusch Commission." A full description of the talk follows. Below and attached is a flyer for the event.
>> We hope you will mark the opportunity on your calendars now to hear Mr. Keniston and add your comments after his talk.
>> Thank you!
>>  
>> Abstract:
>> In reading operatives of the state as themselves readers and writers, it is possible to begin entering into the troubled mind of apartheid.
>> The Schlebusch Commission (1972-1974) represents a pivotal moment in the struggle against apartheid. Initiated by the Minister of Justice, and supplied with “intelligence” by the Security Police and their informants, the Commission was convened in response to the growing momentum of the Black Consciousness Movement, and the corresponding radicalization of white university students. Using the Commission's six volume report as an archive, compared and contrasted against interviews I conducted with half a dozen people that were called to testify before the Commission, I have analyzed the apartheid state's capacity to understand these new political developments. In tracing the significance of the Schlebusch Commission, I am skeptical of any attempt to minimize the extent to which such an undertaking is dangerous. The state is always dangerous, and this remains true regardless of whether it acts through batons or bullets, surveillance or study.    
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Terri L. Gitler
>> Center for African Studies
>> 910 S. Fifth Street
>> Champaign, IL 61820
>> (217) 265-5016
>> tgitler at illinois.edu <mailto:tgitler at illinois.edu>
>>  
>>  
>>  
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Jan 25 16:43:38 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 10:43:38 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Tonight's the night: CC Dems to vote on endorsing Keith
	Ellison for DNC
Message-ID: <CALMNhNSng1z9-8=0A=XOZNgGfH3T211Mxo-T4Ri9EO45JdqKeQ@mail.gmail.com>

At tonight's meeting of the Champaign County Democratic Central Committee,
we'll vote on whether to endorse Keith Ellison to be the next chair of the
Democratic Central Committee. The meeting is at 7pm, at the CCDems office
in downtown Champaign.



The list of Central Committee members eligible to vote - that is,
Democratic precinct captains - is here:



https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf



Of those folks, my understanding is that the following have indicated that
they support Keith and plan to attend the meeting:



Faruq R.A. Nelson

Danis R Pelmore

Charlene Stevens

Josh Hartke

Aaron O. Ammons

Eric Jakobsson

Ruth Wyman

Christopher Stohr

Jared Miller

Robert Naiman

Sandra Hansen

Maryam Ar-Raheem (party chair.)



(David Brayfield supports Keith but he is out of town; Evan Keller supports
Keith but he has moved.)



If someone is not on that sub-list, it doesn't necessarily mean they
oppose; it may just mean we haven't reached them yet in the last few days.



Check the list of other folks and see whom you know. If you don't have a
phone number for them, maybe you have an email address or can message them
on Facebook.



https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf



The following link may be useful. It's the endorsement of Keith by the
Illinois Democratic County Chairmen’s Association. The link includes a list
of Illinois Democrats who have endorsed Keith, including Senator Tammy
Duckworth and Rep. Carol Ammons.



http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/



Here's the national endorsement list:



https://keithfordnc.org/endorsements/

I'm hoping for an overwhelming yes vote tonight. I'm looking forward to
calling Emily in the state Dems office tomorrow morning and telling her
that Champaign County Democrats have voted overwhelmingly to endorse Keith
to lead the DNC. Emily reports to Mike Madigan and his deputy, the state
party chair, both of whom will be voting in February on the next DNC chair.


===

Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1
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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 16:46:59 2017
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 10:46:59 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Tonight's the night: CC Dems to vote on endorsing Keith
	Ellison for DNC
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNSng1z9-8=0A=XOZNgGfH3T211Mxo-T4Ri9EO45JdqKeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNSng1z9-8=0A=XOZNgGfH3T211Mxo-T4Ri9EO45JdqKeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C1263AF-516A-42D3-B670-53E8150C7F84@gmail.com>

Hi Bob—thanks for this. Would it helpful me  to phone or write each of the members of the Central Committee  who haven’t yet explicitly stated their support for Ellison yet? 
> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> At tonight's meeting of the Champaign County Democratic Central Committee, we'll vote on whether to endorse Keith Ellison to be the next chair of the Democratic Central Committee. The meeting is at 7pm, at the CCDems office in downtown Champaign.
> 
> 
>  
> The list of Central Committee members eligible to vote - that is, Democratic precinct captains - is here:
> 
>  
> https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf <https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf>
>  
> Of those folks, my understanding is that the following have indicated that they support Keith and plan to attend the meeting:
> 
>  
> Faruq R.A. Nelson
> 
> Danis R Pelmore
> 
> Charlene Stevens
> 
> Josh Hartke
> 
> Aaron O. Ammons
> 
> Eric Jakobsson
> 
> Ruth Wyman
> 
> Christopher Stohr
> 
> Jared Miller
> 
> Robert Naiman
> 
> Sandra Hansen
> 
> Maryam Ar-Raheem (party chair.)
> 
>  
> (David Brayfield supports Keith but he is out of town; Evan Keller supports Keith but he has moved.)
> 
>  
> If someone is not on that sub-list, it doesn't necessarily mean they oppose; it may just mean we haven't reached them yet in the last few days.
> 
>  
> Check the list of other folks and see whom you know. If you don't have a phone number for them, maybe you have an email address or can message them on Facebook.
> 
>  
> https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf <https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf>
>  
> The following link may be useful. It's the endorsement of Keith by the Illinois Democratic County Chairmen’s Association. The link includes a list of Illinois Democrats who have endorsed Keith, including Senator Tammy Duckworth and Rep. Carol Ammons.
> 
>  
> http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/ <http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/>
>  
> Here's the national endorsement list:
> 
>  
> https://keithfordnc.org/endorsements/ <https://keithfordnc.org/endorsements/>
> 
> I'm hoping for an overwhelming yes vote tonight. I'm looking forward to calling Emily in the state Dems office tomorrow morning and telling her that Champaign County Democrats have voted overwhelmingly to endorse Keith to lead the DNC. Emily reports to Mike Madigan and his deputy, the state party chair, both of whom will be voting in February on the next DNC chair.
> 
>  
> ===
> 
> Robert Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org <http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/>
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
> (202) 448-2898 x1
> 
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Jan 25 16:53:57 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 10:53:57 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Tonight's the night: CC Dems to vote on endorsing Keith
 Ellison for DNC
In-Reply-To: <4C1263AF-516A-42D3-B670-53E8150C7F84@gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNSng1z9-8=0A=XOZNgGfH3T211Mxo-T4Ri9EO45JdqKeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4C1263AF-516A-42D3-B670-53E8150C7F84@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALMNhNRgAy4YPq_oMT03=CuCh+hj0NSKy14zEGKnpf1wFQHK5A@mail.gmail.com>

Yes.

With the provisos that:

- calling or writing people you know - or your own precinct captain - is
higher priority than calling or writing others
- I don't have any contact info other than that which is at this link:

https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_
democratic.pdf

So, if you don't have other info, you'll have to look it up. I noticed
yesterday that I was able to message some people on Facebook that I didn't
have phone numbers for.





Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Susan Parenti <susanroseparenti at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Bob—thanks for this. Would it helpful me  to phone or write each of the
> members of the Central Committee  who haven’t yet explicitly stated their
> support for Ellison yet?
>
> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>
> At tonight's meeting of the Champaign County Democratic Central Committee,
> we'll vote on whether to endorse Keith Ellison to be the next chair of the
> Democratic Central Committee. The meeting is at 7pm, at the CCDems office
> in downtown Champaign.
>
>
>
> The list of Central Committee members eligible to vote - that is,
> Democratic precinct captains - is here:
>
>
> https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_
> democratic.pdf
>
>
> Of those folks, my understanding is that the following have indicated that
> they support Keith and plan to attend the meeting:
>
>
> Faruq R.A. Nelson
>
> Danis R Pelmore
>
> Charlene Stevens
>
> Josh Hartke
>
> Aaron O. Ammons
>
> Eric Jakobsson
>
> Ruth Wyman
>
> Christopher Stohr
>
> Jared Miller
>
> Robert Naiman
>
> Sandra Hansen
>
> Maryam Ar-Raheem (party chair.)
>
>
> (David Brayfield supports Keith but he is out of town; Evan Keller
> supports Keith but he has moved.)
>
>
> If someone is not on that sub-list, it doesn't necessarily mean they
> oppose; it may just mean we haven't reached them yet in the last few days.
>
>
> Check the list of other folks and see whom you know. If you don't have a
> phone number for them, maybe you have an email address or can message them
> on Facebook.
>
>
> https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_
> democratic.pdf
>
>
> The following link may be useful. It's the endorsement of Keith by the
> Illinois Democratic County Chairmen’s Association. The link includes a list
> of Illinois Democrats who have endorsed Keith, including Senator Tammy
> Duckworth and Rep. Carol Ammons.
>
>
> http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-
> keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/
>
>
> Here's the national endorsement list:
>
>
> https://keithfordnc.org/endorsements/
>
> I'm hoping for an overwhelming yes vote tonight. I'm looking forward to
> calling Emily in the state Dems office tomorrow morning and telling her
> that Champaign County Democrats have voted overwhelmingly to endorse Keith
> to lead the DNC. Emily reports to Mike Madigan and his deputy, the state
> party chair, both of whom will be voting in February on the next DNC chair.
>
> ===
>
> Robert Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Peace mailing list
> Peace at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>
>
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From divisek at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 25 22:09:01 2017
From: divisek at yahoo.com (Dianna Visek)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 22:09:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace] Urbana mayoral candidates' forum
References: <439334453.837814.1485382141275.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <439334453.837814.1485382141275@mail.yahoo.com>

The League of Women Voters is sponsoring a candidates' forum for the Urbana mayoral race this Monday Jan 30 at 7 pm in the city council chambers of the Urbana City Building.  

If one wants to have a voice in this race, one needs to vote in the Democratic primary where Laurel Prussing, Diane Marlin and Rev. Evelyn Underwood are running.  Rex Bradfield will again be the Republican candidate, but has no chance of winning.
My understanding is that the Democratic mayoral primary is the only primary race in Urbana this spring.  The primary election is Tues. Feb. 28.  Early voting is now going on at the Champaign County Clerk's office at 1776 East Washington Street and will run thru Monday Feb. 27 on weekdays 8:00am - 4:30pm.
The general election will be Tues. April 4 and will include local offices such as school boards.

http://www.lwvchampaigncounty.org/


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From galliher at illinois.edu  Wed Jan 25 23:04:47 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:04:47 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Tonight's the night: CC Dems to vote on endorsing Keith
 Ellison for DNC
In-Reply-To: <4C1263AF-516A-42D3-B670-53E8150C7F84@gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNSng1z9-8=0A=XOZNgGfH3T211Mxo-T4Ri9EO45JdqKeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4C1263AF-516A-42D3-B670-53E8150C7F84@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5EDF1F9-E450-446C-873B-3EBEE09854A5@illinois.edu>

Te enthusiasm for Ellison is not universal:

"Keith Ellison as DNC Chair: Another High Place, Another Empty Black Face”
http://www.blackagendareport.com/keith-ellison-dnc <http://www.blackagendareport.com/keith-ellison-dnc>

"Rep. Keith Ellison, the Personification of the Phony, Pro-War 'Progressive’"
<http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/rep-keith-ellison-personification-phony-pro-war-%E2%80%9Cprogressive%E2%80%9D <http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/rep-keith-ellison-personification-phony-pro-war-%E2%80%9Cprogressive%E2%80%9D>>

—CGE



> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Susan Parenti via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob—thanks for this. Would it helpful me  to phone or write each of the members of the Central Committee  who haven’t yet explicitly stated their support for Ellison yet? 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At tonight's meeting of the Champaign County Democratic Central Committee, we'll vote on whether to endorse Keith Ellison to be the next chair of the Democratic Central Committee. The meeting is at 7pm, at the CCDems office in downtown Champaign.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> The list of Central Committee members eligible to vote - that is, Democratic precinct captains - is here:
>> 
>>  
>> https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.champaigncountyclerk.com_elections_docs_committeemen-5Fdemocratic.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=bEB9d2r5XceRhxN-n6D_E3xqtCSLqNPFW27yw4wN4m8&s=SWfvkIIP1AcPGoL0oDyPVj3y9ejlNvOadxkB2aUfpIs&e=>
>>  
>> Of those folks, my understanding is that the following have indicated that they support Keith and plan to attend the meeting:
>> 
>>  
>> Faruq R.A. Nelson
>> 
>> Danis R Pelmore
>> 
>> Charlene Stevens
>> 
>> Josh Hartke
>> 
>> Aaron O. Ammons
>> 
>> Eric Jakobsson
>> 
>> Ruth Wyman
>> 
>> Christopher Stohr
>> 
>> Jared Miller
>> 
>> Robert Naiman
>> 
>> Sandra Hansen
>> 
>> Maryam Ar-Raheem (party chair.)
>> 
>>  
>> (David Brayfield supports Keith but he is out of town; Evan Keller supports Keith but he has moved.)
>> 
>>  
>> If someone is not on that sub-list, it doesn't necessarily mean they oppose; it may just mean we haven't reached them yet in the last few days.
>> 
>>  
>> Check the list of other folks and see whom you know. If you don't have a phone number for them, maybe you have an email address or can message them on Facebook.
>> 
>>  
>> https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.champaigncountyclerk.com_elections_docs_committeemen-5Fdemocratic.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=bEB9d2r5XceRhxN-n6D_E3xqtCSLqNPFW27yw4wN4m8&s=SWfvkIIP1AcPGoL0oDyPVj3y9ejlNvOadxkB2aUfpIs&e=>
>>  
>> The following link may be useful. It's the endorsement of Keith by the Illinois Democratic County Chairmen’s Association. The link includes a list of Illinois Democrats who have endorsed Keith, including Senator Tammy Duckworth and Rep. Carol Ammons.
>> 
>>  
>> http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ildcca.org_2017_01_idcca-2Dendorses-2Dcongressman-2Dkeith-2Dellison-2Ddnc-2Dchairman_&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=bEB9d2r5XceRhxN-n6D_E3xqtCSLqNPFW27yw4wN4m8&s=xnAdd85lkcspXS0qQo_jS9_K1QzSCiGXelHg7PtbJqA&e=>
>>  
>> Here's the national endorsement list:
>> 
>>  
>> https://keithfordnc.org/endorsements/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__keithfordnc.org_endorsements_&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=bEB9d2r5XceRhxN-n6D_E3xqtCSLqNPFW27yw4wN4m8&s=DkKeQ9NUvp8r_OxzJmV8-lNglMLiNeh1llQO7drC_WE&e=>
>> 
>> I'm hoping for an overwhelming yes vote tonight. I'm looking forward to calling Emily in the state Dems office tomorrow morning and telling her that Champaign County Democrats have voted overwhelmingly to endorse Keith to lead the DNC. Emily reports to Mike Madigan and his deputy, the state party chair, both of whom will be voting in February on the next DNC chair.
>> 
>>  
>> ===
>> 
>> Robert Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
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From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 23:13:04 2017
From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:13:04 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Tonight's the night: CC Dems to vote on endorsing Keith
	Ellison for DNC
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Yeah but since you are not a Democrat, you don't have a say in an internal party matter. He needs to be judged in relation to the other viable candidates in the race.
Deb

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 5:04 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Te enthusiasm for Ellison is not universal:
> 
> "Keith Ellison as DNC Chair: Another High Place, Another Empty Black Face”
> http://www.blackagendareport.com/keith-ellison-dnc
> 
> "Rep. Keith Ellison, the Personification of the Phony, Pro-War 'Progressive’"
> <http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/rep-keith-ellison-personification-phony-pro-war-%E2%80%9Cprogressive%E2%80%9D>
> 
> —CGE
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Susan Parenti via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Bob—thanks for this. Would it helpful me  to phone or write each of the members of the Central Committee  who haven’t yet explicitly stated their support for Ellison yet? 
>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At tonight's meeting of the Champaign County Democratic Central Committee, we'll vote on whether to endorse Keith Ellison to be the next chair of the Democratic Central Committee. The meeting is at 7pm, at the CCDems office in downtown Champaign.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> The list of Central Committee members eligible to vote - that is, Democratic precinct captains - is here:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Of those folks, my understanding is that the following have indicated that they support Keith and plan to attend the meeting:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Faruq R.A. Nelson
>>> 
>>> Danis R Pelmore
>>> 
>>> Charlene Stevens
>>> 
>>> Josh Hartke
>>> 
>>> Aaron O. Ammons
>>> 
>>> Eric Jakobsson
>>> 
>>> Ruth Wyman
>>> 
>>> Christopher Stohr
>>> 
>>> Jared Miller
>>> 
>>> Robert Naiman
>>> 
>>> Sandra Hansen
>>> 
>>> Maryam Ar-Raheem (party chair.)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> (David Brayfield supports Keith but he is out of town; Evan Keller supports Keith but he has moved.)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> If someone is not on that sub-list, it doesn't necessarily mean they oppose; it may just mean we haven't reached them yet in the last few days.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Check the list of other folks and see whom you know. If you don't have a phone number for them, maybe you have an email address or can message them on Facebook.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf
>>> 
>>>  
>>> The following link may be useful. It's the endorsement of Keith by the Illinois Democratic County Chairmen’s Association. The link includes a list of Illinois Democrats who have endorsed Keith, including Senator Tammy Duckworth and Rep. Carol Ammons.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Here's the national endorsement list:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> https://keithfordnc.org/endorsements/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm hoping for an overwhelming yes vote tonight. I'm looking forward to calling Emily in the state Dems office tomorrow morning and telling her that Champaign County Democrats have voted overwhelmingly to endorse Keith to lead the DNC. Emily reports to Mike Madigan and his deputy, the state party chair, both of whom will be voting in February on the next DNC chair.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> ===
>>> 
>>> Robert Naiman
>>> Policy Director
>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>> 
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Jan 25 23:35:34 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:35:34 -0600
Subject: [Peace] NIAC: UPDATE: What does Trump's ban on Iranians and Muslims
	mean for you?
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Date: Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:35 PM
Subject: UPDATE: What does Trump's ban on Iranians and Muslims mean for you?
To: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org


We have obtained a copy of Trump's expected Executive Order.
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This morning we obtained a copy of what we expect is the Executive Order
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that Donald Trump will now reportedly sign tomorrow to ban Iranians and
others from visiting the U.S. This is as dire and draconian as any of us
could have anticipated.

While this is not confirmed to be the final, official order, we have no
reason to doubt its authenticity. Based on this document we offer the
following initial analysis:

   - If you are an Iranian national outside of the U.S. with a valid U.S.
   visa, you will not be able to enter the United States.
   - Iranian dual citizens (e.g. a dual national of France and Iran) may be
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   United States may be barred from reentry.
   - U.S. citizens will not be directly affected by the ban.

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so we caution that this is an early analysis. We will update you as we
learn more.



*The ban will initially last for 30 days but it is likely that for some
countries it will be permanent. The list of targeted countries is based on
the discriminatory visa waiver bill (H.R.158) passed in 2015 shortly after
Trump called for a Muslim ban. It will bar entry for aliens
from Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, and Somalia.*

The document says that, after the 30 day suspension of entry, the
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countries that do not provide enough information to the U.S. to ensure visa
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Mindful of the tensions between the U.S. and Iranian governments we are
skeptical that Iran would comply with such requirements or that, if it did
comply, the Trump Administration would accept such efforts. This would, in
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There is nothing to indicate that persons on valid visas inside the United
States will be expelled. But if they leave the U.S., they would not be able
to return so long as the ban is in place.

We have serious concerns this ban would also apply to dual nationals, i.e.
a French citizen traveling to the U.S. from France who also holds Iranian
citizenship. It is also possible that this ban will apply to green card
holders who seek to re-enter the U.S. We are seeking clarification on how
the Trump Administration will implement this order.

We have already heard of at least one case in which a dual German-Iranian
citizen with a U.S. visa was prevented from boarding a flight to the U.S.
We do not have confirmation if this is due to the new order but ask that -
if you or someone you know may have been affected by this anticipated order
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Thu Jan 26 00:16:05 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:16:05 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Tonight's the night: CC Dems to vote on endorsing Keith
 Ellison for DNC
In-Reply-To: <F671EBC5-61FD-47BE-B84B-C554086502FC@gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNSng1z9-8=0A=XOZNgGfH3T211Mxo-T4Ri9EO45JdqKeQ@mail.gmail.com>
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As the presidential election showed, the Democrats have for far too long thought the US government was an "internal party matter.”

They should continue to be disabused of that notion. (“...the other viable candidates in the race” hardly inspire confidence.)

BAR’s account of Ellison's politics should be better known.


> On Jan 25, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah but since you are not a Democrat, you don't have a say in an internal party matter. He needs to be judged in relation to the other viable candidates in the race.
> Deb
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 25, 2017, at 5:04 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
> 
>> The enthusiasm for Ellison is not universal:
>> 
>> "Keith Ellison as DNC Chair: Another High Place, Another Empty Black Face”
>> http://www.blackagendareport.com/keith-ellison-dnc <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blackagendareport.com_keith-2Dellison-2Ddnc&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=IfKvlVrObdF9OzhE4N3TEmJTNPGWP1Ui2mC7XVcaVaA&s=qmERTCfI54j-_INl8kZ-wc70gYr1NXh1IrHoJk67KyM&e=>
>> 
>> "Rep. Keith Ellison, the Personification of the Phony, Pro-War 'Progressive’"
>> <http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/rep-keith-ellison-personification-phony-pro-war-%E2%80%9Cprogressive%E2%80%9D <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blackagendareport.com_content_rep-2Dkeith-2Dellison-2Dpersonification-2Dphony-2Dpro-2Dwar-2D-25E2-2580-259Cprogressive-25E2-2580-259D&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=IfKvlVrObdF9OzhE4N3TEmJTNPGWP1Ui2mC7XVcaVaA&s=yER7g9VRdBPizwYQkcBLwUzzKxGC2MYkwHp1p5insL8&e=>>
>> 
>> —CGE
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Susan Parenti via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Bob—thanks for this. Would it helpful me  to phone or write each of the members of the Central Committee  who haven’t yet explicitly stated their support for Ellison yet? 
>>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> At tonight's meeting of the Champaign County Democratic Central Committee, we'll vote on whether to endorse Keith Ellison to be the next chair of the Democratic Central Committee. The meeting is at 7pm, at the CCDems office in downtown Champaign.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> The list of Central Committee members eligible to vote - that is, Democratic precinct captains - is here:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.champaigncountyclerk.com_elections_docs_committeemen-5Fdemocratic.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=bEB9d2r5XceRhxN-n6D_E3xqtCSLqNPFW27yw4wN4m8&s=SWfvkIIP1AcPGoL0oDyPVj3y9ejlNvOadxkB2aUfpIs&e=>
>>>>  
>>>> Of those folks, my understanding is that the following have indicated that they support Keith and plan to attend the meeting:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Faruq R.A. Nelson
>>>> 
>>>> Danis R Pelmore
>>>> 
>>>> Charlene Stevens
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Hartke
>>>> 
>>>> Aaron O. Ammons
>>>> 
>>>> Eric Jakobsson
>>>> 
>>>> Ruth Wyman
>>>> 
>>>> Christopher Stohr
>>>> 
>>>> Jared Miller
>>>> 
>>>> Robert Naiman
>>>> 
>>>> Sandra Hansen
>>>> 
>>>> Maryam Ar-Raheem (party chair.)
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> (David Brayfield supports Keith but he is out of town; Evan Keller supports Keith but he has moved.)
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> If someone is not on that sub-list, it doesn't necessarily mean they oppose; it may just mean we haven't reached them yet in the last few days.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Check the list of other folks and see whom you know. If you don't have a phone number for them, maybe you have an email address or can message them on Facebook.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.champaigncountyclerk.com_elections_docs_committeemen-5Fdemocratic.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=bEB9d2r5XceRhxN-n6D_E3xqtCSLqNPFW27yw4wN4m8&s=SWfvkIIP1AcPGoL0oDyPVj3y9ejlNvOadxkB2aUfpIs&e=>
>>>>  
>>>> The following link may be useful. It's the endorsement of Keith by the Illinois Democratic County Chairmen’s Association. The link includes a list of Illinois Democrats who have endorsed Keith, including Senator Tammy Duckworth and Rep. Carol Ammons.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ildcca.org_2017_01_idcca-2Dendorses-2Dcongressman-2Dkeith-2Dellison-2Ddnc-2Dchairman_&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=bEB9d2r5XceRhxN-n6D_E3xqtCSLqNPFW27yw4wN4m8&s=xnAdd85lkcspXS0qQo_jS9_K1QzSCiGXelHg7PtbJqA&e=>
>>>>  
>>>> Here's the national endorsement list:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> https://keithfordnc.org/endorsements/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__keithfordnc.org_endorsements_&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=bEB9d2r5XceRhxN-n6D_E3xqtCSLqNPFW27yw4wN4m8&s=DkKeQ9NUvp8r_OxzJmV8-lNglMLiNeh1llQO7drC_WE&e=>
>>>> 
>>>> I'm hoping for an overwhelming yes vote tonight. I'm looking forward to calling Emily in the state Dems office tomorrow morning and telling her that Champaign County Democrats have voted overwhelmingly to endorse Keith to lead the DNC. Emily reports to Mike Madigan and his deputy, the state party chair, both of whom will be voting in February on the next DNC chair.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> ===
>>>> 
>>>> Robert Naiman
>>>> Policy Director
>>>> Just Foreign Policy
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From baldwinricky at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 01:47:59 2017
From: baldwinricky at yahoo.com (Ricky Baldwin)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 01:47:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace] Tonight's the night: CC Dems to vote on endorsing
	Keith	Ellison for DNC
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Thanks - sorry to miss the meeting.  

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace<peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:   



At tonight's meeting of the Champaign County DemocraticCentral Committee, we'll vote on whether to endorse Keith Ellison to be thenext chair of the Democratic Central Committee. The meeting is at 7pm, at theCCDems office in downtown Champaign.



 

The list of Central Committee members eligible to vote -that is, Democratic precinct captains - is here: 

 

https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf

 

Of those folks, my understanding is that the following have indicatedthat they support Keith and plan to attend the meeting: 

 

FaruqR.A. Nelson

Danis RPelmore

CharleneStevens

JoshHartke

Aaron O.Ammons

EricJakobsson

RuthWyman

ChristopherStohr

JaredMiller

RobertNaiman

SandraHansen

MaryamAr-Raheem (party chair.)

 

(DavidBrayfield supports Keith but he is out of town; Evan Keller supports Keith buthe has moved.)

 

If someone is not on that sub-list, it doesn't necessarilymean they oppose; it may just mean we haven't reached them yet in the last fewdays.

 

Check the list of other folks and see whom you know. If youdon't have a phone number for them, maybe you have an email address or canmessage them on Facebook. 

 

https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf

 

The following link may be useful. It's the endorsement ofKeith by the Illinois Democratic County Chairmen’s Association. The linkincludes a list of Illinois Democrats who have endorsed Keith, including Senator TammyDuckworth and Rep. Carol Ammons. 

 

http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/

 

Here's the national endorsement list:

 

https://keithfordnc.org/endorsements/



I'm hoping for an overwhelming yes vote tonight. I'm looking forwardto calling Emily in the state Dems office tomorrow morning and telling her thatChampaign County Democrats have voted overwhelmingly to endorse Keith to lead the DNC. Emilyreports to Mike Madigan and his deputy, the state party chair, both ofwhom will be voting in February on the next DNC chair. 

 
===
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Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1

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From baldwinricky at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 01:47:59 2017
From: baldwinricky at yahoo.com (Ricky Baldwin)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 01:47:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace] Tonight's the night: CC Dems to vote on endorsing
	Keith	Ellison for DNC
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNSng1z9-8=0A=XOZNgGfH3T211Mxo-T4Ri9EO45JdqKeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNSng1z9-8=0A=XOZNgGfH3T211Mxo-T4Ri9EO45JdqKeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <709147722.977080.1485395279855@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks - sorry to miss the meeting.  

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace<peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:   



At tonight's meeting of the Champaign County DemocraticCentral Committee, we'll vote on whether to endorse Keith Ellison to be thenext chair of the Democratic Central Committee. The meeting is at 7pm, at theCCDems office in downtown Champaign.



 

The list of Central Committee members eligible to vote -that is, Democratic precinct captains - is here: 

 

https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf

 

Of those folks, my understanding is that the following have indicatedthat they support Keith and plan to attend the meeting: 

 

FaruqR.A. Nelson

Danis RPelmore

CharleneStevens

JoshHartke

Aaron O.Ammons

EricJakobsson

RuthWyman

ChristopherStohr

JaredMiller

RobertNaiman

SandraHansen

MaryamAr-Raheem (party chair.)

 

(DavidBrayfield supports Keith but he is out of town; Evan Keller supports Keith buthe has moved.)

 

If someone is not on that sub-list, it doesn't necessarilymean they oppose; it may just mean we haven't reached them yet in the last fewdays.

 

Check the list of other folks and see whom you know. If youdon't have a phone number for them, maybe you have an email address or canmessage them on Facebook. 

 

https://www.champaigncountyclerk.com/elections/docs/committeemen_democratic.pdf

 

The following link may be useful. It's the endorsement ofKeith by the Illinois Democratic County Chairmen’s Association. The linkincludes a list of Illinois Democrats who have endorsed Keith, including Senator TammyDuckworth and Rep. Carol Ammons. 

 

http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/

 

Here's the national endorsement list:

 

https://keithfordnc.org/endorsements/



I'm hoping for an overwhelming yes vote tonight. I'm looking forwardto calling Emily in the state Dems office tomorrow morning and telling her thatChampaign County Democrats have voted overwhelmingly to endorse Keith to lead the DNC. Emilyreports to Mike Madigan and his deputy, the state party chair, both ofwhom will be voting in February on the next DNC chair. 

 
===
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Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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From divisek at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 01:55:07 2017
From: divisek at yahoo.com (Dianna Visek)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 01:55:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace] Lavabit relaunches with even more security
References: <109214022.947742.1485395707712.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <109214022.947742.1485395707712@mail.yahoo.com>

https://www.theadvocates.org/email-company-targeted-snowden-relaunches-offering-greater-privacy/


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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Thu Jan 26 18:30:20 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:30:20 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Champaign County Democrats endorse Congressman Keith
	Ellison for DNC Chair
Message-ID: <CALMNhNTx1R1aV+Q7VxzJyXENDfg2=vR+3KBPLP-RyGqCzOfV4w@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/1710

Champaign County Democrats endorse Congressman Keith Ellison for DNC Chair



Contact: Robert Naiman, Just Foreign Policy, naiman at justforeignpolicy.org



Champaign, IL – On Wednesday, January 25, the Champaign County Democratic
Central Committee voted overwhelmingly to endorse the candidacy of Keith
Ellison to be the next chair of the Democratic National Committee. On the
weekend of February 24
<http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/23/13703720/dnc-chair-election-rules-members>,
members of the Democratic National Committee will meet and vote to
determine the new DNC chair at the DNC's Winter Meeting. [1]



Democratic precinct committeemen who supported the resolution to endorse
Keith Ellison included Urbana Mayor Laurel Prussing, Urbana City Clerk
Phyllis Clark, Party Chair Maryam Ar-Raheem, Urbana Aldermen Aaron Ammons
and Eric Jakobsson, County Board Member Josh Hartke, former Urbana Alderman
Ruth Wyman and former County Board Members Jan Anderson and Robert Naiman.



In declaring their support for Keith Ellison to lead the DNC, Champaign
County Democrats join
<http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/>
the Democratic Party of DuPage County and Kankakee County Democratic Party,
as well as U.S. Sen. Tammy Duckworth, State Rep. Carol Ammons, State Party
Vice-Chair Karen Yarbrough, U.S. Rep Jan Schakowsky, and the Illinois
Democratic County Chairmen’s Association. [2]



With Senator Sanders, Rep. Ellison led the fight last summer
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/29/obama-and-sanders-battle-over-tpp-and-the-democratic-platform/>
to get the Democratic Platform to oppose the anti-democratic, anti-worker
Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement [TPP]. [3]



Just Foreign Policy <http://justforeignpolicy.org/> [4] welcomes the
decision of Champaign County Democrats to endorse Keith Ellison to lead the
DNC and calls on the DNC
<http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/dnc-dems-help-keith-ellison?r_by=1135580>
to pass a resolution supporting U.S. withdrawal from the TPP and
renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement [NAFTA] to make it
serve the interests and values of working families. [5]



References:

1.  http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/23/13703720/
dnc-chair-election-rules-members

2. http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-
keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/

3. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/
2016/06/29/obama-and-sanders-battle-over-tpp-and-the-democratic-platform/

4. http://justforeignpolicy.org/
5. http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/dnc-dems-help-keith-ellison?r_by=1135580

===

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Just Foreign Policy
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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 18:52:25 2017
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:52:25 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Champaign County Democrats endorse Congressman Keith
	Ellison for DNC Chair
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNTx1R1aV+Q7VxzJyXENDfg2=vR+3KBPLP-RyGqCzOfV4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNTx1R1aV+Q7VxzJyXENDfg2=vR+3KBPLP-RyGqCzOfV4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E8BA8EB-5212-405C-9E6F-CC7434983856@gmail.com>

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
> On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/1710 <http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/1710>
> 
> Champaign County Democrats endorse Congressman Keith Ellison for DNC Chair
> 
>  
> Contact: Robert Naiman, Just Foreign Policy, naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>  
> Champaign, IL – On Wednesday, January 25, the Champaign County Democratic Central Committee voted overwhelmingly to endorse the candidacy of Keith Ellison to be the next chair of the Democratic National Committee. On the weekend of February 24 <http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/23/13703720/dnc-chair-election-rules-members>, members of the Democratic National Committee will meet and vote to determine the new DNC chair at the DNC's Winter Meeting. [1]
> 
>  
> Democratic precinct committeemen who supported the resolution to endorse Keith Ellison included Urbana Mayor Laurel Prussing, Urbana City Clerk Phyllis Clark, Party Chair Maryam Ar-Raheem, Urbana Aldermen Aaron Ammons and Eric Jakobsson, County Board Member Josh Hartke, former Urbana Alderman Ruth Wyman and former County Board Members Jan Anderson and Robert Naiman.
> 
>  
> In declaring their support for Keith Ellison to lead the DNC, Champaign County Democrats join <http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/> the Democratic Party of DuPage County and Kankakee County Democratic Party, as well as U.S. Sen. Tammy Duckworth, State Rep. Carol Ammons, State Party Vice-Chair Karen Yarbrough, U.S. Rep Jan Schakowsky, and the Illinois Democratic County Chairmen’s Association. [2]
> 
>  
> With Senator Sanders, Rep. Ellison led the fight last summer <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/29/obama-and-sanders-battle-over-tpp-and-the-democratic-platform/> to get the Democratic Platform to oppose the anti-democratic, anti-worker Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement [TPP]. [3]
> 
>  
> Just Foreign Policy <http://justforeignpolicy.org/> [4] welcomes the decision of Champaign County Democrats to endorse Keith Ellison to lead the DNC and calls on the DNC <http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/dnc-dems-help-keith-ellison?r_by=1135580> to pass a resolution supporting U.S. withdrawal from the TPP and renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement [NAFTA] to make it serve the interests and values of working families. [5]
> 
>  
> References:
> 
> 1.  http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/23/13703720/dnc-chair-election-rules-members <http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/23/13703720/dnc-chair-election-rules-members>
> 2. http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/ <http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/>
> 3. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/29/obama-and-sanders-battle-over-tpp-and-the-democratic-platform/ <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/29/obama-and-sanders-battle-over-tpp-and-the-democratic-platform/>
> 4. http://justforeignpolicy.org/ <http://justforeignpolicy.org/>
> 5. http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/dnc-dems-help-keith-ellison?r_by=1135580 <http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/dnc-dems-help-keith-ellison?r_by=1135580>
> 
> ===
> 
> Robert Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org <http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/>
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
> (202) 448-2898 x1 <tel:(202)%20448-2898>
> 
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Thu Jan 26 19:18:23 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 13:18:23 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Champaign County Democrats endorse Congressman Keith
 Ellison for DNC Chair
In-Reply-To: <0E8BA8EB-5212-405C-9E6F-CC7434983856@gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNTx1R1aV+Q7VxzJyXENDfg2=vR+3KBPLP-RyGqCzOfV4w@mail.gmail.com>
 <0E8BA8EB-5212-405C-9E6F-CC7434983856@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A10E2C66-B699-4980-BE6E-5D716E2A45A0@illinois.edu>

...Rep. Keith Ellison, the Black Congressman from Minneapolis, a Muslim who now aspires to head the Democratic National Committee and is touted as one of the nation’s leading “progressives,” defended the U.S. aggression against Libya as a blow for “freedom and the right to self-determination.” In reality, it was the opening salvo in Obama’s military occupation of Africa and his hellish alliance with Islamic jihadists that would result in the death of half a million people in Syria and the destruction of that country’s infrastructure…

From "The Obama Legacy: A Temporary Deformity of Black Minds on War and Peace,” by Glen Ford 01/18/2017 
<http://www.blackagendareport.com/obama_legacy_deformed_black_minds <http://www.blackagendareport.com/obama_legacy_deformed_black_minds>>.



> On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Susan Parenti via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
>> On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/1710 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org_node_1710&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=oJFdGEQTpGyk9XrAd4GZxcDv0RemfQgc6zGlpm5eVYA&s=xnSdGuerSWtKG4t2wxStkMue-gMTBxRSQ-t_qS3ChQw&e=>
>> 
>> Champaign County Democrats endorse Congressman Keith Ellison for DNC Chair
>> 
>>  
>> Contact: Robert Naiman, Just Foreign Policy, naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>>  
>> Champaign, IL – On Wednesday, January 25, the Champaign County Democratic Central Committee voted overwhelmingly to endorse the candidacy of Keith Ellison to be the next chair of the Democratic National Committee. On the weekend of February 24 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.vox.com_policy-2Dand-2Dpolitics_2016_11_23_13703720_dnc-2Dchair-2Delection-2Drules-2Dmembers&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=oJFdGEQTpGyk9XrAd4GZxcDv0RemfQgc6zGlpm5eVYA&s=y4otPUYzNLsy2uWhjQJzbX40QP3nJrn4WiKk9CxeEFw&e=>, members of the Democratic National Committee will meet and vote to determine the new DNC chair at the DNC's Winter Meeting. [1]
>> 
>>  
>> Democratic precinct committeemen who supported the resolution to endorse Keith Ellison included Urbana Mayor Laurel Prussing, Urbana City Clerk Phyllis Clark, Party Chair Maryam Ar-Raheem, Urbana Aldermen Aaron Ammons and Eric Jakobsson, County Board Member Josh Hartke, former Urbana Alderman Ruth Wyman and former County Board Members Jan Anderson and Robert Naiman.
>> 
>>  
>> In declaring their support for Keith Ellison to lead the DNC, Champaign County Democrats join <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ildcca.org_2017_01_idcca-2Dendorses-2Dcongressman-2Dkeith-2Dellison-2Ddnc-2Dchairman_&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=oJFdGEQTpGyk9XrAd4GZxcDv0RemfQgc6zGlpm5eVYA&s=otoN5NX_mmSZnkaK-3VrQ-CqxUvLAvmm78SUcsp1Reo&e=> the Democratic Party of DuPage County and Kankakee County Democratic Party, as well as U.S. Sen. Tammy Duckworth, State Rep. Carol Ammons, State Party Vice-Chair Karen Yarbrough, U.S. Rep Jan Schakowsky, and the Illinois Democratic County Chairmen’s Association. [2]
>> 
>>  
>> With Senator Sanders, Rep. Ellison led the fight last summer <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.washingtonpost.com_news_post-2Dpolitics_wp_2016_06_29_obama-2Dand-2Dsanders-2Dbattle-2Dover-2Dtpp-2Dand-2Dthe-2Ddemocratic-2Dplatform_&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=oJFdGEQTpGyk9XrAd4GZxcDv0RemfQgc6zGlpm5eVYA&s=XhNM7rT_9zxktranUU_KYJcYR24b6HFnA6eGNzYO1ew&e=> to get the Democratic Platform to oppose the anti-democratic, anti-worker Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement [TPP]. [3]
>> 
>>  
>> Just Foreign Policy <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__justforeignpolicy.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=oJFdGEQTpGyk9XrAd4GZxcDv0RemfQgc6zGlpm5eVYA&s=Nvp7Dg4JUKsIo014JqfKVs8-WcWQ3l33xm4d1MrKsbg&e=> [4] welcomes the decision of Champaign County Democrats to endorse Keith Ellison to lead the DNC and calls on the DNC <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__petitions.moveon.org_sign_dnc-2Ddems-2Dhelp-2Dkeith-2Dellison-3Fr-5Fby-3D1135580&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=oJFdGEQTpGyk9XrAd4GZxcDv0RemfQgc6zGlpm5eVYA&s=l9Q8ViVgK29_o5JYOAqmu2fxKujlQ7mu9Pj_gu9MEjo&e=> to pass a resolution supporting U.S. withdrawal from the TPP and renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement [NAFTA] to make it serve the interests and values of working families. [5]
>> 
>>  
>> References:
>> 
>> 1.  http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/23/13703720/dnc-chair-election-rules-members <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.vox.com_policy-2Dand-2Dpolitics_2016_11_23_13703720_dnc-2Dchair-2Delection-2Drules-2Dmembers&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=oJFdGEQTpGyk9XrAd4GZxcDv0RemfQgc6zGlpm5eVYA&s=y4otPUYzNLsy2uWhjQJzbX40QP3nJrn4WiKk9CxeEFw&e=>
>> 2. http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ildcca.org_2017_01_idcca-2Dendorses-2Dcongressman-2Dkeith-2Dellison-2Ddnc-2Dchairman_&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=oJFdGEQTpGyk9XrAd4GZxcDv0RemfQgc6zGlpm5eVYA&s=otoN5NX_mmSZnkaK-3VrQ-CqxUvLAvmm78SUcsp1Reo&e=>
>> 3. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/29/obama-and-sanders-battle-over-tpp-and-the-democratic-platform/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.washingtonpost.com_news_post-2Dpolitics_wp_2016_06_29_obama-2Dand-2Dsanders-2Dbattle-2Dover-2Dtpp-2Dand-2Dthe-2Ddemocratic-2Dplatform_&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=oJFdGEQTpGyk9XrAd4GZxcDv0RemfQgc6zGlpm5eVYA&s=XhNM7rT_9zxktranUU_KYJcYR24b6HFnA6eGNzYO1ew&e=>
>> 4. http://justforeignpolicy.org/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__justforeignpolicy.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=oJFdGEQTpGyk9XrAd4GZxcDv0RemfQgc6zGlpm5eVYA&s=Nvp7Dg4JUKsIo014JqfKVs8-WcWQ3l33xm4d1MrKsbg&e=>
>> 5. http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/dnc-dems-help-keith-ellison?r_by=1135580 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__petitions.moveon.org_sign_dnc-2Ddems-2Dhelp-2Dkeith-2Dellison-3Fr-5Fby-3D1135580&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=oJFdGEQTpGyk9XrAd4GZxcDv0RemfQgc6zGlpm5eVYA&s=l9Q8ViVgK29_o5JYOAqmu2fxKujlQ7mu9Pj_gu9MEjo&e=>
>> 
>> ===
>> 
>> Robert Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=oJFdGEQTpGyk9XrAd4GZxcDv0RemfQgc6zGlpm5eVYA&s=G2Tn7ofRxcuaKZSbthIRvMsVZIpMpB_bvLnEOtWrzQ4&e=>
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>> (202) 448-2898 x1 <tel:(202)%20448-2898>
>> 
>> 
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Thu Jan 26 19:39:29 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 13:39:29 -0600
Subject: [Peace] US drone killing program
In-Reply-To: <A10E2C66-B699-4980-BE6E-5D716E2A45A0@illinois.edu>
References: <CALMNhNTx1R1aV+Q7VxzJyXENDfg2=vR+3KBPLP-RyGqCzOfV4w@mail.gmail.com>
 <0E8BA8EB-5212-405C-9E6F-CC7434983856@gmail.com>
 <A10E2C66-B699-4980-BE6E-5D716E2A45A0@illinois.edu>
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"During his Presidential campaign, Donald J. Trump said that he would continue the Obama Administration’s drone killing program.  Indeed, drone strikes <http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/23/politics/drone-strikes-president-trump/index.html> against Al Qaeda in Yemen on January 19, 20, and 21 overlapped the Obama and Trump Presidencies.

"President Trump did not sign off on any of these attacks.  The strikes were conducted under the authority President Obama had delegated to CENTCOM commander General Joseph Votel.    Still, a Trump-authorized drone strike even this early in his Administration would not break with precedent established by Obama.  Micah Zenko <http://blogs.cfr.org/zenko/2017/01/20/obamas-final-drone-strike-data/> of the Council on Foreign Relations reminds us that:  'On January 23, 2009, just three days into his presidency, President Obama authorized his first kinetic military action, two drone strikes, three hours apart, in Waziristan, Pakistan, that killed as many as twenty civilians.'   According to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism <https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2017/01/17/obamas-covert-drone-war-numbers-ten-times-strikes-bush/>, there were ten times as many drone strikes under Obama than under President George W. Bush.  The Bureau also notes that there were more drone strikes during Obama’s first year in office than during eight years of the Bush Administration.  To some extent, these facts reflect Bush’s preference for capturing Al-Qaeda and Taliban rather than killing them.

"Thank goodness for the Obama Nostalgia Industry which had gotten into high gear even before Obama left the White House.  They have been busily burnishing Obama’s legacy as a Man of Peace.  Thanks to them, we can rest comfortably in the knowledge that even when Obama killed innocent foreigners with Hellfire missiles he killed them peacefully…”



http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/26/the-year-in-drones-2016/ <http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/26/the-year-in-drones-2016/>

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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Thu Jan 26 20:26:17 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 14:26:17 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Thank Durbin for blocking Rubio-Cardin pro-settlements
	resolution
Message-ID: <CALMNhNROKZx38S2Dj_9zteY23TH+B4UTCp84gRF0U4F18=kp3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dick Durbin Blocks Senate Move To Condemn UN Resolution on Israeli
Settlements
http://forward.com/fast-forward/361245/dick-durbin-blocks-senate-move-to-condemn-un-resolution-on-israeli-settleme/

Reportedly, pro-settlement groups have put out a call to jam Durbin's
phones. I could not get through on the DC line or the Chicago line. But I
was able to get through on the Springfield line.

217.492.4062

Thank Durbin for placing a hold on S. Res. 6. Takes ten seconds.

===

Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Thu Jan 26 22:48:31 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:48:31 -0600
Subject: [Peace] JFP alert: Thank Sens. Durbin & Udall for Opposing West
	Bank Settlements
Message-ID: <CALMNhNQUVrGQe+zVp3GFsv5KFWowUhXnn3eqvrkUMrpZ4fPUag@mail.gmail.com>

The petition tweets to Durbin & Udall automagically.

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From: Just Foreign Policy <info at justforeignpolicy.org>
Date: Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 3:39 PM
Subject: Thank Sens. Durbin & Udall for Opposing West Bank Settlements
To: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org


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Dear Robert,



*Thank Sens. Durbin & Udall for re-affirming settlements are an obstacle to
peace. Take Action
<http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=S0Cn98EnvVSCxVwo0LmVdApjzdikC%2Bie>*

Illinois Senator* Dick Durbin* has blocked a Senate resolution that would
condemn UN Security Council Resolution 2334 against Israeli settlements in
the West Bank. New Mexico Senator *Tom Udall* has said that if Senator
Durbin were to lift his hold, Senator Udall would place his own hold. [1]

*Thank Senator Durbin and Senator Udall for standing up for peace by
signing our petition at MoveOn
<http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=7y7Yge%2BiizxwD21Jh3imPrUaVToK%2FXWU>.
*

Thanks for all you do to help make U.S. foreign policy more just,

Robert Naiman, Avram Reisman, and Sarah Burns
Just Foreign Policy


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References:
1. http://forward.com/fast-forward/361245/dick-durbin-blocks-
senate-move-to-condemn-un-resolution-on-israeli-settleme/

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From briandolinar at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 16:52:41 2017
From: briandolinar at gmail.com (Brian Dolinar)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:52:41 -0600
Subject: [Peace] FOIA workshop Saturday!
Message-ID: <CADL4Vu6TFa0hcO9BWYhTz0zBRwSene278AUfQtRTE3+qs7oV4A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm hosting a FOIA workshop with Sarah Lazare (Alternet writer, former CU
resident) on Saturday 7pm at the IMC! Come out to learn how to have "Fun
With FOIAs! <https://www.facebook.com/events/387046714963433/>" and hear
stories from Sarah and I how they can be used to produce hard-hitting
journalism.

Here's a few tips below, let me know if you need help filing your own FOIA!

BD

1. Google public body and “FOIA officer” or “FOIA” or “Freedom of
Information”
2. Locate email address, or online form.
3. ID city/police dept./county/sheriff/state/federal.
4. Send letter with names, dates, specifics of request.
5. Avoid being “unduly burdensome”; narrow request.
6. Make copies! Leave a paper trail.
-- 
Brian Dolinar, Ph.D.
briandolinar.com
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 28 13:12:09 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 13:12:09 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Reminder: invitation to hear Joe Minarik - Jan 30 or
	Feb 5
References: <C6DA74F7-CF4F-4124-8E55-642162E69EEE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR15MB034766760A01CDB4C688DBDEA3490@CY1PR15MB0347.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>



Begin forwarded message:

Subject: Reminder: invitation to hear Joe Minarik - Jan 30 or Feb 5
Date: January 27, 2017 at 21:32:08 PST


Dear Friends,

We decided at our January 9th Racial Taboo monthly planning meeting to host speakers who are knowledgeable about understanding and ending race prejudice.  Our first speaker

Joe Minarik, Joycelyn Landrum-Brown’s colleague at UIUC, will present a visual model of how “privilege” works and explain how individuals can cause change in organizations through community building.

Joe Minarik
“Privilege and Changing Privilege for Fairness”
Monday, January 30 – 3:15 to 5:00 pm
Sunday, February 5 – 3:00 to 5:00 pm

Bahá'í Center, 807 E. Green Street, Urbana

Everyone is welcome.

Please RSVP only if you have not done so.

Thanks,
Amy

Amy Felty - 217-637-3125






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From briandolinar at gmail.com  Sat Jan 28 17:58:20 2017
From: briandolinar at gmail.com (Brian Dolinar)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 11:58:20 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Special 12-page edition of Public i responding to Trump's
 election - OUT NOW!
Message-ID: <CADL4Vu653jtB8GSYYxY1Jq_5Abr83ASzLVLkCLhzw1Kkbnk+sQ@mail.gmail.com>

A special 12-page edition of the Public i is out now with articles that deal
with the meaning of the Trump victory. Among them are:

- Kadeem Fuller's "Police Terror to Increase Under Trump"
- CU Immigration Forum's "Testimonies of Immigrants Who Have Traveled to CU"
- Michael Rothberg's "Trump and the Resurgence of Antisemitism"
- Faruq Nelson's "A Very Rude Awakening"
- Nancy Dietrich's and Julie Laut's "Feminist Reflections on the 2016
Election"
- Janice Jayes' "Foreign Relations, Domestic Security, and the Trump Era"
- Belden Fields' "Letter to My French Friends"

Also in the issue are:
- Desmond Powers' "The Recolonization of Standing Rock,"
- Blair Smith's "Doing SOLHOT as a Way of Life,"
- Jacqueline Potter's "Small Victories Matter,"
- Sandra Ahten's "Times Center Needs to Be Reopened"
- Audrey Wells' "Women's Lib as Projected on the Screen."

Pick up a copy today! Let us know if you'd like to submit an article for
our next issue!

BD
-- 
Brian Dolinar, Ph.D.
briandolinar.com
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 29 13:22:54 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:22:54 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Sit-in Monday
References: <FD5B4131-B9ED-4A6F-9953-A12F42A8CC1D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR15MB0347F0790C5FD8F72970141FA3480@CY1PR15MB0347.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>


At Rodney Davis' office to highlight his unresponsiveness to health care issues 9 AM - close. Come for a while, come for the day.

Please spread the word.

Deb
From: Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com<mailto:deb.pdamerica at gmail.com>>
Subject: Sit-in Monday
Date: January 29, 2017 at 02:52:11 PST
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 29 14:24:43 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 14:24:43 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Rally at Airport today in support of immigrants.
Message-ID: <CY1PR15MB034737A41C89263E6D3A59DCA3480@CY1PR15MB0347.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Airport in Savoy

[https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/c0.0.498.262/p280x280/16298405_10211709913328812_6559056221906475388_n.jpg?oh=1a18213fd0a47110cdffa7812f2b63c6&oe=59467E5C]
<https://www.facebook.com/events/1705552536403201/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2222%22%2C%22feed_story_type%22%3A%2222%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D>
JAN29
Interested<https://www.facebook.com/karen.aram.1#>
Rally to support immigrants<https://www.facebook.com/events/1705552536403201/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2222%22%2C%22feed_story_type%22%3A%2222%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D>
Sun 2 PM CST · Champaign
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 29 16:04:18 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:04:18 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: URGENT Info for TODAY
References: <CAGbx0Y9wWF3cAi=f4ZR+0qMigCObuMogWoEGBm0p7NPo_=Xo=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR15MB034761654F9AB58F6CCDE4DCA3480@CY1PR15MB0347.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>



Subject: Fwd: URGENT Info for TODAY
Date: January 29, 2017 at 08:00:37 PST
To: info at thepeoplesagenda.com<mailto:info at thepeoplesagenda.com>

Wanted to make sure you were aware of the schedule change. Hope you can still attend this afternoon.

~Carol


Our meeting today has been moved fro 2pm to 3:30pm so that people can attend the rally at the airport in support of immigrant and refugees. Here is the Facebook Event<http://www.carolammons.com/r?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fevents%2F1705552536403201%2F&e=9f8aa1a5b7705ecec2c0e0aa956494b28aa963e1&utm_source=carolammonsforstaterep&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=level_up_mtg&n=1> for the rally.

And just a reminder of the details of our meeting:

Level Up! Ready to get involved? Ready to build teams, take on tasks, move the Agenda forward? Then *this* is where you want to be. There are all levels of involvement for People's Agenda supporter to get involved at, this event is especially for those who indicated they have the time and desire to engage in organizing and planning. We'll be building focus/work teams and setting tasks for the next month. LEVEL UP!

This is a meeting for people who are prepared to make a weekly commitment to spending time on infrastructure building, outreach, coordination, etc.

Sunday, January 29th
3:30-5:30pm
IMC, 202 S Broadway, Urbana
Facebook Event<http://www.carolammons.com/r?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fevents%2F280778692337777%2F&e=9f8aa1a5b7705ecec2c0e0aa956494b28aa963e1&utm_source=carolammonsforstaterep&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=level_up_mtg&n=2>
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 29 16:21:32 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:21:32 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: [Peace-discuss] Rally at Airport today in support of
 immigrants. To be noted!!!
References: <CY1PR15MB034737A41C89263E6D3A59DCA3480@CY1PR15MB0347.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR15MB034724003130799FFFAFD49CA3480@CY1PR15MB0347.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>



IMPORTANT NOTICE: Remember that federal agents can and are often present at US airports. There is an inherent risk that you could be detained. Be mindful of this if you are NOT a US citizen.



Airport in Savoy
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<https://www.facebook.com/events/1705552536403201/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2222%22%2C%22feed_story_type%22%3A%2222%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D>
JAN29
Interested<https://www.facebook.com/karen.aram.1#>
Rally to support immigrants<https://www.facebook.com/events/1705552536403201/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2222%22%2C%22feed_story_type%22%3A%2222%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D>
Sun 2 PM CST · Champaign
419 people interested · 138 people going
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Sun Jan 29 20:02:04 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 14:02:04 -0600
Subject: [Peace] WaPo: 20 Nobel laureates,
 1000s of academics sign protest of immigration order
Message-ID: <CALMNhNRY+G79K4fX=xL_8Y42Ez9CqALPDv2s36ky1ELxSdBpOw@mail.gmail.com>

Petition and instructions at link.

https://notoimmigrationban.com/

Here's some press:

20 Nobel laureates, thousands of academics sign protest of Trump
immigration order
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/
01/27/eleven-nobel-laureates-thousands-of-academics-sign-
protest-of-trump-immigration-order/

The list is already huge. But here's something we can easily do: search
"Urbana" on the list and see who we know who's on and not on. I recognized
two people from the math department. Still plenty of room for more Urbana
faculty.

===

Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898>
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From divisek at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 01:34:35 2017
From: divisek at yahoo.com (Dianna Visek)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 01:34:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9CThe_benefits_of_evidence_informed_law?=
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References: <1370375431.4099587.1485740075261.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1370375431.4099587.1485740075261@mail.yahoo.com>

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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 17:46:06 2017
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 11:46:06 -0600
Subject: [Peace] 3 Sunny Bedrooms, beautiful house in Crystal Lake Park
Message-ID: <CAKfUjSHcpZNusg8FFnwDfQvfSojmSshBg3n94sZuUfu-YDhUhw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi friends---

We have 3 large bedrooms to rent in a 4 bedroom house across from School
for Designing a Society. The house is on Franklin Street, in Crystal Lake
Park.  Rooms available as early as Feb. 1.

Please spread the word.

If interested, please contact Derek Busby at darwinthebold at gmail.com.

--------------------------------


Description: Three Sunny Bedrooms in a beautiful house in Crystal Lake
Park. The rooms are fully furnished with new hardwood floors, hand-made
curtains, and freshly painted. The rooms have large closets, plenty of
storage space, central AC, a porch in the front, a fruit and flower garden
in back. The house is 5 blocks away from Down Town Urbana, is located near
the Gold Line for easy access. The home is a cat-friendly space with two
indoor cats currently living there. Unfortunately, no other pets would be
allowed at this time. This home is also a non-smoking home.

Rental price includes all utilities (heat, AC, water, sewage, internet,
trash, and recycle)


Each of the available rooms has a distinct size, layout, presence,
furnishing:

bedroom 1, 1st floor, is 13'5" x10'4", queen size futon--rent is $475 per
month

bedroom 2, 2nd floor, east side of house, is  9'3" x 13'5', twin bed---rent
is $425 per month.

bedroom 3, 2nd floor, west side of house, is 16'8" x 11'4", queen bed--rent
is $625 per month.

bedroom 1
[image: Inline image 1]
bedroom 2
[image: Inline image 2]
bedroom 3---looks dark but isn't (bad photo)
[image: Inline image 3]


*Susan Parenti*
*Educational Coordinator *

*The School for Designing a Society *www.designingasociety.net

*Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!*
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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 19:09:39 2017
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:09:39 -0600
Subject: [Peace] "the house shelters daydreaming..."
Message-ID: <CAKfUjSFkLyGEN2zB28UNsDc=w9JS5TRuLs=XNWeROCGt0LjP+g@mail.gmail.com>

*"the house protects the dreamer, the house allows one to dream in
peace". **The
Poetics of Space, **Gaston Bachelard, 1958*

Hi friends---

We have 3 large bedrooms to rent in a 4 bedroom house across from School
for Designing a Society. The house is on Franklin Street, in Crystal Lake
Park.  Rooms available as early as Feb. 1.

Please spread the word.

If interested, please contact Derek Busby at darwinthebold at gmail.com.

--------------------------------


Description: Three Sunny Bedrooms in a beautiful house in Crystal Lake
Park. The rooms are fully furnished with new hardwood floors, hand-made
curtains, and freshly painted. The rooms have large closets, plenty of
storage space, central AC, a porch in the front, a fruit and flower garden
in back. The house is 5 blocks away from Down Town Urbana, is located near
the Gold Line for easy access. The home is a cat-friendly space with two
indoor cats currently living there. Unfortunately, no other pets would be
allowed at this time. This home is also a non-smoking home.

Rental price includes all utilities (heat, AC, water, sewage, internet,
trash, and recycle)


Each of the available rooms has a distinct size, layout, presence,
furnishing:

bedroom 1, 1st floor, is 13'5" x10'4", queen size futon--rent is $475 per
month

bedroom 2, 2nd floor, east side of house, is  9'3" x 13'5', twin bed---rent
is $425 per month.

bedroom 3, 2nd floor, west side of house, is 16'8" x 11'4", queen bed--rent
is $625 per month.

bedroom 1
[image: Inline image 1]
bedroom 2
[image: Inline image 2]
bedroom 3---looks dark but isn't (bad photo)
[image: Inline image 3]



-- 
*Susan Parenti*
*Educational Coordinator *

*The School for Designing a Society *www.designingasociety.net

*Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!*
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Mon Jan 30 06:31:42 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 00:31:42 -0600
Subject: [Peace] WaPo: Rodney Davis AWOL on Trump immigration order
Message-ID: <CALMNhNTWCtYzW_0LhGoy0VNkSaEB7j4TM=S=2eEXu-vD0radyw@mail.gmail.com>

Whip Count: Here’s where Republicans stand on Trump’s controversial travel
ban
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/
29/heres-where-republicans-stand-on-president-trumps-
controversial-travel-ban/

WaPo has Rodney Davis as "no comment."

But they have a quote from Shimkus.

This is extreme. Republican or Democrat, the University of Illinois is in
Davis' district. How can he not have a position on this? It has a huge
impact on the University. Would Ed Madigan be hiding under his desk on
this?

Note that several UIUC faculty have signed this petition:

20 Nobel laureates, thousands of academics sign protest of Trump
immigration order
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/01/2
7/eleven-nobel-laureates-thousands-of-academics-sign-protest
-of-trump-immigration-order/

Here's the actual petition, search on "Urbana":

https://notoimmigrationban.com/

===

Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 10:09:33 2017
From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 04:09:33 -0600
Subject: [Peace] WaPo: Rodney Davis AWOL on Trump immigration order
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNTWCtYzW_0LhGoy0VNkSaEB7j4TM=S=2eEXu-vD0radyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNTWCtYzW_0LhGoy0VNkSaEB7j4TM=S=2eEXu-vD0radyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B95A39F-6C10-45BD-AB2B-68A4AFE6E53C@gmail.com>

Go to Davis' web site and send him an email demanding he make a statement. Click on the box saying you want an answer. Then phone his offices (all of them), demand he give a statement, tell the staffers you want a response. 
DC 202-225-2371
Decatur 217-791-6224
Champaign 217-403-4690
Taylorville 217-824-5117
Maryville 618-205-6880
Normal 309-252-8834

He has no town halls scheduled for this Congressional recess. 

People are staging a day-long sit-in at his Champaign office today to protest his unresponsiveness on health care issues. Maybe he needs a day-long sit-in tomorrow if he won't denounce the Muslim ban. 

Deb

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2017, at 12:31 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Whip Count: Here’s where Republicans stand on Trump’s controversial travel ban
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/heres-where-republicans-stand-on-president-trumps-controversial-travel-ban/
> 
> WaPo has Rodney Davis as "no comment."
> 
> But they have a quote from Shimkus. 
> 
> This is extreme. Republican or Democrat, the University of Illinois is in Davis' district. How can he not have a position on this? It has a huge impact on the University. Would Ed Madigan be hiding under his desk on this? 
> 
> Note that several UIUC faculty have signed this petition:
> 
> 20 Nobel laureates, thousands of academics sign protest of Trump immigration order
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/01/27/eleven-nobel-laureates-thousands-of-academics-sign-protest-of-trump-immigration-order/
> 
> Here's the actual petition, search on "Urbana":
> 
> https://notoimmigrationban.com/
> 
> ===
> 
> Robert Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
> 
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 30 15:42:59 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:42:59 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Today at the Ilini Union beginning at 3:00
Message-ID: <CY1PR15MB0347C94585F5CBCB7ADC6583A34B0@CY1PR15MB0347.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Details
On January 27th, 2017, Donald Trump placed a ban on any citizen from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and Sudan entering the United States, including refugees. This ban is hateful, Islamophobic, and exclusionary.

...See More<https://www.facebook.com/karen.aram.1/posts/10211645225435395>
[https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/c98.0.493.260/p261x260/16298793_238227129969280_6593161756492273033_n.jpg?oh=9aa030174aeffe8e3252b5e8dbdcac2d&oe=59164975]
<https://www.facebook.com/events/853616421447729/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2222%22%2C%22feed_story_type%22%3A%2222%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D>
JAN30
Interested<https://www.facebook.com/karen.aram.1#>
Muslim Immigration and Refugee Ban Solidarity March<https://www.facebook.com/events/853616421447729/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2222%22%2C%22feed_story_type%22%3A%2222%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D>
Mon 3 PM CST · Champaign
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From kmedina67 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 19:17:46 2017
From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:17:46 -0600
Subject: [Peace] when you post to the peace list,
 please provide Who What Where When and Why
Message-ID: <CA+0uwiaxaFFPbk8p+VrufKrrjbzwhjHn+GQYoQxmOykMBPwo6w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Peace List,

The local anti-war movement is very happy to have so many people on this
"Peace" list for events.

When you share an event here, please remember to include the following
information:
1. Who: The sponsor for the event. Or organizer. This is for transparency.
2. What: The title helps. The type is also helpful -- is it a film, a panel
discussion, a demonstration, a rally, a pot luck dinner, ...
3. Where: The address is vital. // You can also offer helpful information
such as parking, ADA information, public transportation access, ... and if
children are welcome or if there is child care available.
4. When: The date and time of the event (even the year). Sometimes people
search their email for an event and find something from a past year.
5. Why: For instance, if the event is at a politician's office, it is
helpful to have a clear statement of why the event is happening. If the
media will be there, then all the attendees should be able to explain why
the event is happening.

Event postings are appreciated. Even more appreciated if the announcement
if fully transparent.

In solidarity,
-- karen medina
"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." - Mark
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From galliher at illinois.edu  Mon Jan 30 19:39:54 2017
From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:39:54 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Videos for AWARE ON THE AIR
Message-ID: <6176D2C8-7402-4AD6-B9AE-0B211FC44877@illinois.edu>

AWARE ON THE AIR, the local tv program presented on Urbana Public TV (Tuesdays at 10pm) and on YouTube, by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, is looking for relevant videos to include in the program.

Last week’s program featured interviews with Russia experts Stephen Cohen and Mark Ames. 

Please let us know of videos that you think viewers of AOTA would find interesting - and/or join us for the panel discussion on the program. 

We record at the UPTV studios (Urbana City Council chambers) at noon on Tuesdays. —CGE  

From divisek at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 31 05:47:15 2017
From: divisek at yahoo.com (Dianna Visek)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 05:47:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace] Immigration Ban Is Unlikely to Reduce Terrorist Threat,
	Experts Say
References: <673797484.419868.1485841635794.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <673797484.419868.1485841635794@mail.yahoo.com>

This is a very interesting, factual article about what anti-terrorism experts think about Trump's ban:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/politics/a-sweeping-order-unlikely-to-reduce-terrorist-threat.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region%C2%AEion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&utm_source=Chicago%20Sun-Times&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1686701_MorningEdition013017&ID=1686701_MorningEdition013017&dm_i=2JCP,105GT,6JQ0L2,2WS4A,1&_r=0




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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 31 15:11:22 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:11:22 +0000
Subject: [Peace] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans
Message-ID: <CY1PR15MB0347801BAC7885380497B1ACA34A0@CY1PR15MB0347.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

                                                    AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM)

                         Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa,

                                                     At the corner of Church and Neil Sts.,
                                                      2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017.

<http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/january/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/>
[https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW]
Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister.<http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ronpaulinstitute.org%2Farchives%2Ffeatured-articles%2F2017%2Fjanuary%2F30%2Fobama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister%2F&h=ATNclAPSlatLXrwPBnMt_GoskwqbykCTiLg9bq2Q7kW5_WA8j6J6eIHc_E6sGNn2Dea01p6HcvOZEWjIqJoS47JKZs2pEPb4ba-RqddShSU2_1NJypYolYDRyvaW3eQRc5PqV6jPcIHdSKmK6jS7X-ge4w&enc=AZO0O0xTpm4gBrYnKV3bKekdU7I2u01p8pCuD_aksS9Iph35Wyar5SVyJlkh8xr_xEBwmjBBvixSj0bgIH_VpKOQO9QwEH-kHXPCauJ8PevWnvPxwOAmgAVOTjHA1ChE3rvToJDISG9EMBxW8Q1RtoU1XY8Rucdq21jLbRP9KOToxKbTbmjlEbvzgcs2HAIv3l4&s=1>
Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,...
RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG<http://ronpaulinstitute.org>

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 31 15:31:32 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:31:32 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and
	North Africans
References: <CY1PR15MB03475BC5F2A70003541A10EEA34A0@CY1PR15MB0347.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR15MB0347F80EBF8029263C48D792A34A0@CY1PR15MB0347.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>



Begin forwarded message:

From: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>>
Subject: Fwd: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans
Date: January 31, 2017 at 07:18:27 PST
To: Brian Dolinar <briandolinar at gmail.com<mailto:briandolinar at gmail.com>>, Geovanny Vega <gavegaz at gmail.com<mailto:gavegaz at gmail.com>>, Gmail <Xpenn.diaz at gmail.com<mailto:Xpenn.diaz at gmail.com>>, "Boyle, Francis A" <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>>


Since 2003 the USG is responsible for the deaths of millions, most taking place over the past eight years with little notice. Now that the American people have awakened, maybe we can do something to stop the tragedy of interventions, war and killings.



                                                    AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM)

                         Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa,

                                                     At the corner of Church and Neil Sts.,
                                                      2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017.

<http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/january/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/>
[https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW]
Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister.<http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ronpaulinstitute.org%2Farchives%2Ffeatured-articles%2F2017%2Fjanuary%2F30%2Fobama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister%2F&h=ATNclAPSlatLXrwPBnMt_GoskwqbykCTiLg9bq2Q7kW5_WA8j6J6eIHc_E6sGNn2Dea01p6HcvOZEWjIqJoS47JKZs2pEPb4ba-RqddShSU2_1NJypYolYDRyvaW3eQRc5PqV6jPcIHdSKmK6jS7X-ge4w&enc=AZO0O0xTpm4gBrYnKV3bKekdU7I2u01p8pCuD_aksS9Iph35Wyar5SVyJlkh8xr_xEBwmjBBvixSj0bgIH_VpKOQO9QwEH-kHXPCauJ8PevWnvPxwOAmgAVOTjHA1ChE3rvToJDISG9EMBxW8Q1RtoU1XY8Rucdq21jLbRP9KOToxKbTbmjlEbvzgcs2HAIv3l4&s=1>
Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,...
RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG<http://ronpaulinstitute.org/>

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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Tue Jan 31 17:44:52 2017
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:44:52 -0600
Subject: [Peace] Conservative UK MP hit by Trump anti-Muslim travel ban
Message-ID: <CALMNhNTOTakkVVzRgCMHi0VTWEu89HkRrYDwX8u8g=eZ7KH9Bw@mail.gmail.com>

[...]
The policy affects British citizens who were born in Iraq, including
Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi, who says it will prevent him visiting his
children in America.
[...]

- Jeremy Corbyn calls for Donald Trump to be banned from UK visit until
Muslim country travel ban is lifted
Some British citizens with dual nationalities will be affected by the ban
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-
muslim-ban-jeremy-corbyn-uk-mp-immigration-policy-theresa-
may-response-a7551636.html

===

Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 31 20:48:55 2017
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:48:55 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and
	North Africans
References: <CY1PR15MB0347801BAC7885380497B1ACA34A0@CY1PR15MB0347.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR15MB0347DD2EE4B086EECBE54BC0A34A0@CY1PR15MB0347.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>



                                                    AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM)

                         Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa,

                                                     At the corner of Church and Neil Sts.,
                                                      2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017.

<http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/january/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/>
[https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW]
Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister.<http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ronpaulinstitute.org%2Farchives%2Ffeatured-articles%2F2017%2Fjanuary%2F30%2Fobama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister%2F&h=ATNclAPSlatLXrwPBnMt_GoskwqbykCTiLg9bq2Q7kW5_WA8j6J6eIHc_E6sGNn2Dea01p6HcvOZEWjIqJoS47JKZs2pEPb4ba-RqddShSU2_1NJypYolYDRyvaW3eQRc5PqV6jPcIHdSKmK6jS7X-ge4w&enc=AZO0O0xTpm4gBrYnKV3bKekdU7I2u01p8pCuD_aksS9Iph35Wyar5SVyJlkh8xr_xEBwmjBBvixSj0bgIH_VpKOQO9QwEH-kHXPCauJ8PevWnvPxwOAmgAVOTjHA1ChE3rvToJDISG9EMBxW8Q1RtoU1XY8Rucdq21jLbRP9KOToxKbTbmjlEbvzgcs2HAIv3l4&s=1>
Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,...
RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG<http://ronpaulinstitute.org/>

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