[Peace] [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

[Carl G. Estabrook]

It’s clear by now what's wrong with the “Trump is a fascist” line.

It’s inaccurate, but more importantly it’s a disingenuous defense of the neoliberal/neocon establishment.  

We need an anti-war/anti-Wall Street movement, not a defense of (pro-war/pro-Wall St.) Obama-Clinton Democrats. 

—CGE


> On Jan 5, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That article I shared is from Revolution newspaper, which is a publication of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Do we evaluate ideas based on their source, or the content? You mention only the one. 
> 
> RefuseFascism.org <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__RefuseFascism.org&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xJBcCfkEFuu-bD9C60Ptjmup7dDgkdbiSHciZehRroY&s=lP1n61gMJLCiveTAZtFSESywh1oVCh8iRfhNBih6fhc&e=> is a far far broader movement. One of the initiators is a member of the RCP, Carl Dix. Everyone is invited to check out the scope & range of the people <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__refusefascism.org_we-2Drefuse-2Dto-2Daccept-2Da-2Dfascist-2Damerica_-23sign&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xJBcCfkEFuu-bD9C60Ptjmup7dDgkdbiSHciZehRroY&s=5nrjLouLw6FfnNOCyWDL2pH4nnqH006AaCdbl0Htak4&e=> who have joined in this effort, at no small risk to themselves, and the Crowdrise crowd funding site lists the donations that funded the NY Times ad. 
> 
> I’m taken aback by this red baiting. If the RCP is involved in something, it’s “their ad?” 
> 
> Jay
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 16:05, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jay’s note is from the 'Revolutionary Communist Party,’ Bob Avakian’s group.
>> 
>> See their ad in Wednesday’s NY Times, <https://refusefascism.org <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__refusefascism.org_&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xJBcCfkEFuu-bD9C60Ptjmup7dDgkdbiSHciZehRroY&s=KpnkoZwDNRvNJxytT97_PEbar2qiPFSxFoEkExfYSmo&e=>>.
>> 
>> —CGE
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com <mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. 
>>> 
>>> One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: 
>>> 
>>> Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.revcom.us_a_472_trumps-2Dstay-2Dstrong-2Disrael-2Dtweet-2Dgenocidal-2Dimplications-2Den.html&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=AhFuAE-JtaI1EA-m6HK6J1ifDRXFqSCsAzHSnXLVlmo&s=NMlNOXqlJ2iwd6X5cN9ixW-8Py6pFdVxZg1Q0WCfBKE&e=>
>>> 
>>> Jay
>>> 
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