From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 11:46:35 2018
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 06:46:35 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Nursing Home/Champaign County Democrats update
Message-ID: <CALMNhNSvF3Ms8_wg_Rj=CFeDFJRiW+B9odhHJ24GK-j0T+Ghrg@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10157487001082656

Last night the precinct captains in County Board Ten voted to slate Chris
Stohr for the Robert King vacancy. I voted no. I voted no because after we
appointed him to the County Board the last time, on the promise that he
would oppose the sale of the Nursing Home, he voted to sell the Nursing
Home. I have pledged not to support any Democrats who supported the sale of
the Nursing Home. Saving the public nursing home was a top priority of
Champaign County Democrats. We passed a resolution about it in the Central
Committee, which I introduced. I am contemplating the idea of supporting a
candidate to run as a write-in against Chris Stohr. I welcome your feedback
on this idea. You can reply privately or publicly, as you like.
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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 13:01:43 2018
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 08:01:43 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Nursing Home/Champaign County Democrats update
In-Reply-To: <E47968FD-ABA6-4494-8D3E-9438220D401C@gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNSvF3Ms8_wg_Rj=CFeDFJRiW+B9odhHJ24GK-j0T+Ghrg@mail.gmail.com>
 <E47968FD-ABA6-4494-8D3E-9438220D401C@gmail.com>
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If there is any chance now of stopping the sale of the Nursing Home, I
don't claim to know what it is.

For me personally the core of the question is about transparency and
accountability of Democratic Party politicians to priorities that Democrats
have articulated and that these politicians have pledged to support. Chris
Stohr was previously slated on the promise that he would oppose the sale of
the Nursing Home. As a County Board member, he voted to sell. Now we are
slating him again. I feel a compulsion to protest somehow.

I don't claim to be an expert on the Nursing Home. I don't think I should
have to be an expert in order to participate. On the issues where I do
claim expertise - U.S. foreign policy - I try to encourage the
participation of people who don't know as much as I do. That is at the core
of the "bring Schoolhouse Rock to U.S. foreign policy" project as I see it.


The thing preoccupying me the most right now is the failure of Democrats in
Washington who promised me they would try to force a vote in the House on
ending the Saudi war in Yemen to follow through on their promise. I am
trying to figure out what to do about that.

Meanwhile, I see exactly the same pattern with the sale of the Nursing Home
- Democrats breaking promises to Democrats. That situation is local, and I
happen to be in the middle of it, as a precinct committee person. So I'm
trying to figure out what to do about that. I haven't made any decision.
That's why I asked for input.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 7:27 AM, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there any chance of stopping the sale of the nursing home? And us that
> the right thing to do?
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2018, at 6:46 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10157487001082656
>
> Last night the precinct captains in County Board Ten voted to slate Chris
> Stohr for the Robert King vacancy. I voted no. I voted no because after we
> appointed him to the County Board the last time, on the promise that he
> would oppose the sale of the Nursing Home, he voted to sell the Nursing
> Home. I have pledged not to support any Democrats who supported the sale of
> the Nursing Home. Saving the public nursing home was a top priority of
> Champaign County Democrats. We passed a resolution about it in the Central
> Committee, which I introduced. I am contemplating the idea of supporting a
> candidate to run as a write-in against Chris Stohr. I welcome your feedback
> on this idea. You can reply privately or publicly, as you like.
>
>
>
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  3 13:17:12 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 13:17:12 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Nursing Home/Champaign County Democrats update
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNSW=46PDMLgmnzA=_jjiWD3FwYD6jt1dLhELr6SmV7f7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNSvF3Ms8_wg_Rj=CFeDFJRiW+B9odhHJ24GK-j0T+Ghrg@mail.gmail.com>
 <E47968FD-ABA6-4494-8D3E-9438220D401C@gmail.com>
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As they say politics makes strange……

Stopping the sale of the Nursing Home and stopping the bombing and destruction of Yemen, are the right thing to do.

I give Robert credit for attempting both.

I’m sorry, I have no suggestions as to what one can do now in respect to either issue, other than for the American people to stand up to our Representatives and say “NO.”

If anyone thinks they can make that happen, please do.


On Aug 3, 2018, at 06:01, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

If there is any chance now of stopping the sale of the Nursing Home, I don't claim to know what it is.

For me personally the core of the question is about transparency and accountability of Democratic Party politicians to priorities that Democrats have articulated and that these politicians have pledged to support. Chris Stohr was previously slated on the promise that he would oppose the sale of the Nursing Home. As a County Board member, he voted to sell. Now we are slating him again. I feel a compulsion to protest somehow.

I don't claim to be an expert on the Nursing Home. I don't think I should have to be an expert in order to participate. On the issues where I do claim expertise - U.S. foreign policy - I try to encourage the participation of people who don't know as much as I do. That is at the core of the "bring Schoolhouse Rock to U.S. foreign policy" project as I see it.

The thing preoccupying me the most right now is the failure of Democrats in Washington who promised me they would try to force a vote in the House on ending the Saudi war in Yemen to follow through on their promise. I am trying to figure out what to do about that.

Meanwhile, I see exactly the same pattern with the sale of the Nursing Home - Democrats breaking promises to Democrats. That situation is local, and I happen to be in the middle of it, as a precinct committee person. So I'm trying to figure out what to do about that. I haven't made any decision. That's why I asked for input.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 7:27 AM, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com<mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com>> wrote:
Is there any chance of stopping the sale of the nursing home? And us that the right thing to do?


On Aug 3, 2018, at 6:46 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10157487001082656

Last night the precinct captains in County Board Ten voted to slate Chris Stohr for the Robert King vacancy. I voted no. I voted no because after we appointed him to the County Board the last time, on the promise that he would oppose the sale of the Nursing Home, he voted to sell the Nursing Home. I have pledged not to support any Democrats who supported the sale of the Nursing Home. Saving the public nursing home was a top priority of Champaign County Democrats. We passed a resolution about it in the Central Committee, which I introduced. I am contemplating the idea of supporting a candidate to run as a write-in against Chris Stohr. I welcome your feedback on this idea. You can reply privately or publicly, as you like.



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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 18:31:59 2018
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 13:31:59 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Puppet Theater on Mars, Champaign Council,
 Immigration--Aug. 4, Farmers' market, 9:15 and 10am
Message-ID: <CAKfUjSFLuM4=rthqjHv_Z42C8MX_7B5qV-1+JqXVSwT8RDKCNA@mail.gmail.com>

<https://www.facebook.com/susan.parenti.5/posts/1758847120819692>
<https://www.facebook.com/susan.parenti.5/posts/1758847120819692?notif_id=1532711277920231&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic#>Hi
friends---Tomorrow, Saturday, we're performing new Puppet Shows at the
Urbana Farmers' Market, 9:15am and 10am,  in the performance spot by
Pandamonium (a donut vending truck at the south end of the Market) . .

Stuart Levy, Karen Medina, Mark Enslin, Marina Manetti, Patch Adams, Rohn
Koester are the team.

Please come! We're trying to walk the edge of political satire and kid
friendly, sometimes slipping and falling on our cream puff.


If you're interested in performing puppets with us in the future, and/or
writing skits about immigration, please let me/us know. We hope to continue
this throughout the summer.




-- 
*Susan Parenti*
*Educational Coordinator *

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  3 18:58:25 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 18:58:25 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Rise for Climate, Jobs, and Justice March
References: <5A9A4242-9769-41FC-B288-E847AE4CF76C@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB2382BBE505D12227D2724618A3230@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>


<https://www.facebook.com/PrairieRiversNetwork/photos/gm.288657818562253/10156216421270041/?type=3>
[Prairie Rivers Network's photo.]
SEP8
Rise for Climate, Jobs, and Justice March ~ Champaign-Urbana
Public
 · Hosted by Faith in Place<https://www.facebook.com/FaithInPlace/> and 2 others<https://www.facebook.com/browse/users/?q=AeI_1TTBDd1HyuPX85wZyYMZxOE48xtwG5hr_DYWME5FtxrzMSl2kTLzT_glB7aten7TafOInb-aMyVRJFUYIm-N8oGttS3X_T2eyGCfdwfVIONHmseLSH0DGfKLw4XNIjw>
On September 8th, after months of organizing and movement-building, the Peoples Climate Movement will bring tens of thousands of people across the country into the streets, town halls, and community forums.

Champaign-Urbana will join the movement to demand bold action on CLIMATE, JOBS, & JUSTICE on September 8th! Those demands will determine the future of our movement - and our world - for years to come.

Rally and March @Scott Park, 11am-1pm. Organizations and leaders are welcome to attend to share information. Check back in for more information as plans develop!

Take the pledge to Rise on September 8th: www.peoplesclimate.org/<http://www.peoplesclimate.org/>

Organizing groups include those below and Sierra Club Prairie Group - Illinois Chapter<https://www.facebook.com/groups/SierraClubILPrairieGroup/>.



On Aug 3, 2018, at 11:54, David Enstrom <daenstrom at gmail.com<mailto:daenstrom at gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm off Facebook.  Really not worth it.  Check this out.

https://www.bettergov.org/news/a-manafort-lender-s-emanuel-ties?rf=btn&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=d4e3b5fd-1b6a-440c-b09a-402e7703b440



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From bjornsona at ameritech.net  Sat Aug  4 11:51:08 2018
From: bjornsona at ameritech.net (bjornsona at ameritech.net)
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 06:51:08 -0500
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Flyer to be distributed at the AWARE
 anti-war demonstration on Saturday, 4 August, 2-4pm,
 at Main & Neil in downtown Champaign
Message-ID: <hbs5mrmui1879jff2jpfiv7v.1533383370174@email.lge.com>

Like the map- we Americans need our geography-- plus the base locations are hidden from us in regular news. Like the emphasis on global nuclear disarmament!
Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
------ Original message------From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discussDate: Fri, Aug 3, 2018 8:02 PMTo: Peace Discuss;Cc: peace;Subject:[Peace-discuss] Flyer to be distributed at the AWARE anti-war demonstration on Saturday, 4 August, 2-4pm, at Main & Neil in downtown Champaign
~ The U.S. is Illegally Making War in the Mideast ~ Pres. Trump: Bring U.S. Troops and Weapons Home ~
The U.S. military is today killing people in seven Mideast and African countries - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. Thousands of U.S. troops are fighting in these countries, although most Americans don’t know that. In addition, the 70,000-members of the U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ are active in three-quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping (‘rendition’), torture, and murder.
{Map with flags marking U.S. military bases encircling Iran}
The U.S. government says that we’re fighting terrorism, but we are in fact creating terrorists - in response particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” (Noam Chomsky) - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children.
Since the Second World War ended in 1945, the U.S. has killed more than twenty million people in wars in Asia, the Mideast and Latin America to maintain world-wide economic control. The U.S. doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia, and so control over them gives the U.S. a major advantage over China, Germany, and other countries - a chokehold which benefits only the American economic elite, the one percent. For that purpose, the U.S. illegally invaded Iraq in 2003 and killed perhaps a million people, in the greatest crime of the century. The U.S. now has thousands of troops (and mercenaries) throughout the Mideast.
Those of us in AWARE, like other anti-war groups in the United States and around the world, call upon President Trump to
~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on negotiation, international law, and human rights;
~ (2) end U.S. wars in the Mideast and war provocations against Russia (in Eastern Europe) and China (in the South China Sea), and stop the drone assassinations;
~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 800 U.S. military bases on foreign soil (Russia has a dozen; China has one); bring all U.S. troops (and weapons) home; 
~ (4) stop U.S. support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and
~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament.
ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at <AWARE of Champaign Urbana Illinois>
~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast 
~ Medicare for all 
~ Universal basic income ~
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sat Aug  4 01:01:58 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 20:01:58 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Flyer to be distributed at the AWARE anti-war demonstration
 on Saturday, 4 August, 2-4pm, at Main & Neil in downtown Champaign
Message-ID: <18BBE93B-5D1E-46AB-A391-C86837D785B9@gmail.com>

~ The U.S. is Illegally Making War in the Mideast ~ Pres. Trump: Bring U.S. Troops and Weapons Home ~

The U.S. military is today killing people in seven Mideast and African countries - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. Thousands of U.S. troops are fighting in these countries, although most Americans don’t know that. In addition, the 70,000-members of the U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ are active in three-quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping (‘rendition’), torture, and murder.

{Map with flags marking U.S. military bases encircling Iran}

The U.S. government says that we’re fighting terrorism, but we are in fact creating terrorists - in response particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” (Noam Chomsky) - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children.

Since the Second World War ended in 1945, the U.S. has killed more than twenty million people in wars in Asia, the Mideast and Latin America to maintain world-wide economic control. The U.S. doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia, and so control over them gives the U.S. a major advantage over China, Germany, and other countries - a chokehold which benefits only the American economic elite, the one percent. For that purpose, the U.S. illegally invaded Iraq in 2003 and killed perhaps a million people, in the greatest crime of the century. The U.S. now has thousands of troops (and mercenaries) throughout the Mideast.

Those of us in AWARE, like other anti-war groups in the United States and around the world, call upon President Trump to
~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on negotiation, international law, and human rights;
~ (2) end U.S. wars in the Mideast and war provocations against Russia (in Eastern Europe) and China (in the South China Sea), and stop the drone assassinations;
~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 800 U.S. military bases on foreign soil (Russia has a dozen; China has one); bring all U.S. troops (and weapons) home; 
~ (4) stop U.S. support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and
~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament.

ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at <AWARE of Champaign Urbana Illinois>
~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast 
~ Medicare for all 
~ Universal basic income ~

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  5 15:53:04 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 15:53:04 +0000
Subject: [Peace] A must listen to Chris Hedges as to where we are headed in
 relation to the persecution of Assange....
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB2382F1A78BDC00C302EFAD24A3210@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/435140-wikileaks-assange-barrett-brown/

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  6 19:45:21 2018
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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:45:21 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Democracy Now,
 with Nick Turse: "A Slaughter in Silence" How Trumps Policy enabled
 ethnic cleansing in the DRC
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The Democratic Republic of Congo is facing one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world as a wave of extreme violence sweeps the country. Some 2 million Congolese fled their homes last year, nearly 7 million Congolese are now internally displaced, and another 500,000 have fled to other parts of Africa. According to the United Nations, 13 million Congolese are in urgent need of humanitarian aid. The international media has largely ignored what’s happening, but this week Vice News published a shocking investigation into a recent case of ethnic cleansing. Hundreds of machete-wielding militiamen swept through areas in Congo near the Ugandan border, attacking around 120 communities. Hundreds were killed, thousands of homes were destroyed, and some 350,000 people were displaced. The violence came after the U.S. abruptly cut support for peacekeeping efforts in the Congo and elsewhere last year as part of President Trump’s “America First” policies. We speak with Vice News contributor and author Nick Turse. His article is titled “A Slaughter in Silence: How a brutal ethnic cleansing campaign in DRC was made worse by Trump’s 'America First' policies and the world’s neglect.”

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AMY GOODMAN: We begin in the Democratic Republic of Congo, which is facing one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world. Between 1998 and 2003, the DRCsuffered what has been described as the deadliest conflict since World War II. More than 5 million Congolese died. Well, 15 years after the war ended in Congo, the country is facing another massive crisis, a wave of extreme violence sweeping the DRC. Last year 2 million Congolese fled their homes, nearly 7 million Congolese are now internally displaced, and another half a million have fled to other parts of Africa. According to the United Nations, 13 million Congolese are in urgent need of humanitarian aid.

The international media has largely ignored what’s happening. But this week, Vice News published a shocking investigation<https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xq45a/a-slaughter-in-silence-democratic-republic-of-the-congo> into a recent case of ethnic cleansing, where hundreds of machete-wielding militiamen swept through areas in Congo near the Ugandan border. About 120 communities were attacked, with hundreds killed, thousands of homes destroyed, some 350,000 people displaced. The violence came after the U.S. abruptly cut support for peacekeeping efforts in the Congo and elsewhere last year as part of President Trump’s “America First” policies.

For more, we’re joined by Vice News contributor, author Nick Turse. His article<https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xq45a/a-slaughter-in-silence-democratic-republic-of-the-congo> is headlined “A Slaughter in Silence: How a brutal ethnic cleansing campaign in DRCwas made worse by Trump’s 'America First' policies and the world’s neglect.” He’s also author of the book Next Time They’ll Come to Count the Dead: War and Survival in South Sudan.

Nick, welcome back to Democracy Now! Explain exactly what you’ve uncovered.

NICK TURSE: Well, I went to the Democratic Republic of Congo earlier this year to cover existing conflicts and the resulting refugee crisis, but I found myself witness to an unfolding ethnic cleansing campaign in the far east of Democratic Republic of Congo, a placed called Ituri province, and specifically a region called Djugu territory. And there, the minority Hema community was being attacked relentlessly—in the time I was there, sometimes more than one attack per day on villages. There were about 120 attacks during this campaign. Hundreds were killed. Hundreds of thousands were driven from their homes. Most of them became internal exiles inside of Congo, and then about 50,000 or so were driven across the border into Uganda.

AMY GOODMAN: Who’s doing this?

NICK TURSE: Well, it’s a very murky circumstance trying to find who is exactly behind this. When you talk to most people there, they say that it isn’t an ethnic conflict, which it’s been portrayed as outside of the country. They say that there’s an invisible hand behind it. And when you delve into that further, basically what it’s meant is that powerful politico-military forces are behind this. Many people link it to President Joseph Kabila, who’s stayed in office as president two years beyond his legal mandate. And he has a—there’s an election coming up, presidential election, in December. A lot of people think that this violence was orchestrated to help postpone that election or upend it completely.

AMY GOODMAN: How would it do it?

NICK TURSE: Well, they’re trying—you know, at the time that this violence broke out, the head of the electoral commission in the capital Kinshasa came out and said, “If there’s violence in Ituri province, then there’s a good chance that we can’t hold elections, because there will be too many—the population will be displaced, and we have to focus our resources on quelling the unrest there.” And at the exact same time, unrest broke out in Ituri province. A lot of people thought that that was too much of a coincidence to be strictly a coincidence.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to turn to an earlier report on Vice News Tonight describing the violence in Ituri province. A word of caution to our TV viewers: Some of these images are extremely graphic.

ARIS ROUSSINOS: The Lendu and Hema are two neighboring ethnic groups who’ve fought one another in the past. But since 2007, they’ve lived in relative peace. Not anymore. A Lendu militia has been targeting the Hema since December, burning villages and killing more than 250 people. Just days before we arrived in Maze village, a Lendu militia allegedly slaughtered more than 40 Hema villagers. It was one of the worst cases of ethnic violence in recent memory.

DAVIDE ITSOBWA: [translated] They came in with the machetes. In this village, we lost…

ARIS ROUSSINOS: [translated] There are many women?

DAVIDE ITSOBWA: [translated] Yes, there are many women. And among the women, many are elderly.

ARIS ROUSSINOS: Davide Itsobwa lost 15 family members and has been investigating the massacre for human rights groups.

DAVIDE ITSOBWA: [translated] There were also children of 2 years, 3, 4, up to 20 years. There is another who lost a wife and children. He has also lost a child.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you elaborate on this, Nick?

NICK TURSE: Yeah, this was one of the largest of the massacres. It was a village called Maze. And people I spoke to said that 50 or more people were killed there. And the killings that were going on in Congo were especially brutal. I mean, we’re talking about—you know, it’s a world where war is increasingly associated with drones and smart bombs and cyberattacks. But the war on civilians that I witnessed there was carried out by militiamen who were wielding machetes, axes, bows and arrows, and spears. It was as brutal as it was merciless, and the militiamen there were attacking women, children, the elderly, without compunction.

AMY GOODMAN: Tell us some of the stories of the people you met with, the horror of their limbs being chopped off.

NICK TURSE: Yeah, there was—you know, there are so many stories that stick with me, but one is a family who tried to flee an attack on their village, Tche, which isn’t very far from Maze, which we just saw there in the clip. And the family was confronted by these militiamen on the way out of town, and four family members—a mother and three children—were killed during this.

An 11-year-old girl, the eldest daughter in the family, was attacked; she was cut several times, including militiamen cut off one of her hands. She woke up, and she told me that she saw bodies scattered all around, including her mother. She went over to her mother and found that her young sister, a 2-year-old, had been gravely wounded but was still alive. And she took a piece of fabric off of her mother’s body, wrapped up her sister onto her back, and then went, helped several other survivors in the village. She also found her father and eventually brought help to him. Other men who had fled the village had come back. She brought the men to him, and it saved all of their lives.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to go back to Vice News correspondent Aris [Roussinos], who visited an overcrowded refugee camp, which is home to thousands of people, mostly Hema, who fled from Lendu attackers.

ARIS ROUSSINOS: This tent is filled with families who bear some of the most brutal injuries. Can you tell me what happened to you?

NYINE RICHARD: [translated] They killed my wife and three children. They started to cut me with a machete, and the child who was in my hand.

ARIS ROUSSINOS: Nyine Richard’s 2-year-old daughter Rochelle now has these permanent scars to her face and skull.

MAVE GRACE NGABUSI: [translated] We were being chased.

ARIS ROUSSINOS: Her older sister, 11-year-old Mave Grace, watched her pregnant mother get hacked to death.

MAVE GRACE NGABUSI: [translated] I stopped when I saw that they were cutting my mother. But when they saw I stopped, they started cutting me, too. That’s how they cut my hand. Since there is still a war, I cannot go back home.

AMY GOODMAN: That report from Vice News. Nick Turse?

NICK TURSE: Yes, that was the family that I was speaking of. And Mave Grace was the one who saved her entire family. She saved other people from the village. She found a young boy who was gravely wounded and wandering through. She helped him. She told me that there were others that she couldn’t save. She saw a boy who both of his legs were cut off, and she said she wanted to help, but she knew there was nothing that she could do. And these stories, I was told again and again, village after village. It was just incredibly violent.

AMY GOODMAN: So what does this have to do with U.S. policy?

NICK TURSE: Well, experts that I talked to said that U.S. policy exacerbated this ethnic cleansing campaign, because in 2017 the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, pushed for and won dramatic cuts to the U.N. peacekeeping budget. She took to Twitter afterwards to celebrate having cut half a billion dollars from peacekeeping efforts, and said this was only the beginning.

AMY GOODMAN: Let me turn to Nikki Haley speaking earlier this year.

NIKKI HALEY: Peacekeeping is a shared possibility. With shared responsibility comes shared burdens and shared costs. One country should not shoulder more than one-quarter of the U.N. peacekeeping budget. And we look forward to more equitable distribution of the budget among member states. Moving forward, the United States will not pay more than 25 percent of the peacekeeping budget. This is a cap required by U.S. law.

AMY GOODMAN: That’s the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley. Nick Turse?

NICK TURSE: Yes. You know, these cuts were severe, but even U.N. officials that I talked to and outside experts said that they were manageable, if they were done with some sort of orderly process. But the United States pushed for these cuts to be very severe and very fast. And because of that, the U.N. peacekeeping mission, I was told, had to move its forces and close down bases in a very haphazard fashion, that this had to be done very fast. Because of this, bases were shut down in Ituri province just before this violence broke out. And the people that I talked to, the experts, said that this hampered the response, that there could have been a faster U.N. response. And again, I should mention that these attackers were armed with traditional weapons—axes, arrows, machetes. U.N. peacekeepers are armed with modern automatic weapons. Most people said that if there was a robust peacekeeping presence, they would have saved lives, because the attackers wouldn’t have been able to stand up to them.

AMY GOODMAN: Who supports this overall U.N. peacekeeping force? It’s called MONUSCO?

NICK TURSE: Yes. MONUSCO is supported, in large part, by the United States, but other members of the international community also contribute to this force. But it was the U.S. that really led the charge to cut this budget. They said it was bloated. And they said that, you know, this was part of the “America First” agenda, that America shouldn’t be shouldering this type of financial burden.

AMY GOODMAN: I mean, you think back to the history of the Congo, over a century ago, when the Belgian King Leopold considered it his private fiefdom and killed—what? Something—well, well over 10 million Congolese.

NICK TURSE: Right.

AMY GOODMAN: The symbol of that time, the cutting off of hands.

NICK TURSE: Yeah. So you’re seeing that, you know, more than a century later, the same type of violence being meted out. And, you know, back then, the United States was the first country in the world to recognize Leopold’s claim on the Congo and supported his effort. And I couldn’t help but see some sort of symmetry in that.

AMY GOODMAN: So, what are people there calling for right now? And if you could place not only the Ituri province for us within Congo, but Democratic Republic of Congo within Africa, geopolitically, and its significance?

NICK TURSE: Sure. I mean, the Congo is a huge country. It’s about the size of Western Europe. So, it’s massive.

AMY GOODMAN: All of Western Europe.

NICK TURSE: All of Western Europe would fit inside the Democratic Republic of Congo. It’s in the heart of Africa, a tremendously large place, a poor country in terms of GDP, not poor when you look at the resources under the ground. There’s $24 trillion worth of mineral wealth beneath the ground in Congo. So there are always—you know, a lot of multinational corporations are interested in getting into Congo. But, you know, Congo has been plagued by rulers who don’t leave power and recurrent violence over the years.

AMY GOODMAN: At this point, your work in Africa has gone on for years. You wrote a book about South Sudan. You have written about, in the last year, the U.S. presence in Africa overall. Can you talk about that, even as it cuts aid to U.N. peacekeeping forces?

NICK TURSE: Yeah, the United States has had a robust military presence across the continent. It looks like that may be scaled back in the coming months as the U.S. pivots more towards near-peer competitors like Russia and China. But, actually, you know, I just checked in with U.S. Special Operations Command, and the number of commandos operating in Africa is the same as it was last year. So, there have been talks about cuts, but we haven’t seeing them yet.

You know, the United States has this presence as a—you know, the idea behind it is counterterrorism. They haven’t been all that successful. There’s actually a proliferation of terror groups across the continent. And missions over the years haven’t been all that successful. The United States, just a couple years ago, was heavily involved in Central Africa, including a small presence in Congo. It was aligned against Joseph Kony’s Lord’s Resistance Army. After close to a billion dollars spent, the United States was unable to capture or kill Kony. The LRA goes on. But that U.S. presence has faded.

AMY GOODMAN: And you have written, in your previous work, more U.S. commandos are deployed to Africa than to any other region of the world except to the Middle East.

NICK TURSE: That’s right. It’s been rapid growth since 9/11. You know, at that time, about 1 percent of U.S. commandos deployed overseas were in Africa. And now it’s running about 16 percent, more than any place other than the war zones in the greater Middle East.

AMY GOODMAN: From your travels there, what do you think needs to be done right now in the DRC?

NICK TURSE: Well, it’s humanitarian aid, is what people are asking for. And, you know, it wasn’t just these U.N. peacekeeping cuts that caused a tremendous amount of suffering there, but international aid to Congo has been dropping precipitously over the last years. If you look at last year’s numbers, you know, the average Syrian in need of humanitarian assistance received $305. The average Congolese in need of it received about $62. Now, I don’t begrudge Syrians in need any amount of money, but there’s a real disparity there. And experts that I talked to said, you know, people just don’t care about the Congo.

AMY GOODMAN: Nick Turse, thank you for being there and for reporting this horrific story. Nick Turse, Vice News contributor and author, his latest article<https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xq45a/a-slaughter-in-silence-democratic-republic-of-the-congo> headlined “A Slaughter in Silence: How a brutal ethnic cleansing campaign in DRC was made worse by Trump’s 'America First' policies and the world’s neglect.” He is also author of the book Next Time They’ll Come to Count the Dead: War and Survival in South Sudan.

This is Democracy Now! When we come back, a Mexican journalist seeking political asylum in the United States is freed by court order after seven months in a detention center with his son. He’ll speak to us live from El Paso. Stay with us.

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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Mon Aug  6 18:29:27 2018
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:29:27 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Film on Immigration in Champaign-Urbana, by local film-maker,
	TONIGHT!!!
Message-ID: <CAKfUjSGSuVJ=bn7TS+2v17rqTUREjj+s=19xi7tv6EJJ+trsQA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi friends----

I really recommend seeing the film, Free Trade Refugees: from Chiapas to
the Prairie by Carol Huang and Maria Isabel Silva will be screening tonight
at the IMC at 8pm.

Free.

Essential viewing for people concerned with immigration issues.
--Mark Enslin


https://www.facebook.com/events/296789044225926/


-- 
*Susan Parenti*
*Educational Coordinator *

*The School for Designing a Society *www.designingasociety.net

*Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!*
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Aug  8 13:47:00 2018
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 08:47:00 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Steve Ellner on Midwest tour in October,
	re: impact of Venezuela sanctions
Message-ID: <CALMNhNRqUvaz_qJOa1QJoA7N1zD2XqvWcQQBcruupF9a7zu+Qg@mail.gmail.com>

Steve Ellner will be touring the Midwest in October on the effect of US
sanctions on the Venezuelan people.

An activist in Chicago working on the tour wants to know if there is any
interest among activists in C-U in having Ellner come to C-U.

If anyone here is interested in this, please reply to me directly.

Here's the beginning of Ellner's Wikipedia entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ellner

*Steve Ellner* (born December 21, 1946) has taught economic history and
political science at the Universidad de Oriente
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_de_Oriente> in Puerto La Cruz,
Venezuela since 1977. He is the author of numerous books and journal
articles on Venezuelan history and politics, specifically in the area of
political parties and organized labor. In addition, Ellner was a frequent
contributor to *Commonweal
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonweal_(magazine)>* magazine beginning
in the 1980s and more recently *In These Times
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_These_Times>* and *NACLA Report on the
Americas <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NACLA_Report_on_the_Americas>* and
has written op-ed articles in the *New York Times
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times>* and the *Los Angeles Times
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Times>*. He frequently lectures
on Venezuelan and Latin American political developments in the U.S. and
elsewhere. Nearly all his academic works have been translated and published
in Spanish.

===

Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Thu Aug  9 15:31:31 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:31:31 -0500
Subject: [Peace] AWARE on the Air, Tuesday 7 August
Message-ID: <40D899CE-B292-4EA4-852D-65C146433AAC@gmail.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nItqTrgKN48 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nItqTrgKN48>
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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 12:30:25 2018
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 07:30:25 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Immigration Puppet Show--Saturday, Farmers' Market, 9:30am
Message-ID: <CAKfUjSE6afT45RRfwJFpXA5HqGaXDsOiVpge0d_c30tUqk+WOg@mail.gmail.com>

Tomorrow, Saturday August 11, 9:30am at the Farmers' Market:
Immigration Puppet Theater!
Come see the Man from Mars who emigrates to the United States.
 Learn why the Mayor of Urbana is hiding behind a shrub in the front yard!


We're in our usual place: at the north east part of the Market, by
Pandamonium (donut truck). If it's sunny, bring an umbrella to protect
yourself from the heat.

-- 
*Susan Parenti*
*Educational Coordinator *

*The School for Designing a Society *www.designingasociety.net

*Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!*
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 10 13:09:17 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 13:09:17 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: [Rise for Climate, Jobs,
 and Justice Action ~ Champaign-Urbana] We are at a crossroads. Our
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 10 13:10:19 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 13:10:19 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Join us on Sept. 8: Rise for climate, jobs, and justice
References: <1fe102-754-5b6b215f@list.nrdc.org>
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[NRDC All In]<https://allin.nrdc.org/?t=3&akid=1876%2E2089218%2EO3lsSi>




One month from today, thousands of people across the country — including many of us at NRDC — will take to the streets to demand bold action on climate change. Can we count on you to be there?

Join us on Saturday, September 8 at a Peoples Climate Movement march near you!Learn more and RSVP today.<https://act.nrdc.org/go/5572?t=4&akid=1876%2E2089218%2EO3lsSi>

WHAT: Peoples Climate Movement, Rise for Climate, Jobs, and Justice marches
WHEN: Saturday, September 8, 2018 *please note, some marches are taking place on different dates
WHERE: A city or town near you (find the closest event here<https://act.nrdc.org/go/5572?t=5&akid=1876%2E2089218%2EO3lsSi>)

This important march will come after a summer that saw record heat waves, historic wildfires, massive flooding, and countless other impacts from worsening climate change. This summer, the effects of climate change are not so subtle.

Yet President Trump and his allies are doubling down on their anti-environment agenda that includes: dismantling the Clean Power Plan... rolling back lifesaving clean car standards... compromising critical clean air, water, and public health safeguards... pulling out of international agreements... and more.

The September 8 marches will take place just four days before the start of the Global Climate Action Summit in San Francisco.

So, in the lead up to this pivotal event — a moment that could change the face of and the fight for climate action — it's especially important to stand together and show our elected officials that we will continue fighting for a just and sustainable future to protect the health and well-being of generations to come.

Sign up for a Peoples Climate Movement march near you on September 8.<https://act.nrdc.org/go/5572?t=6&akid=1876%2E2089218%2EO3lsSi>

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Whether you'll be with us at the flagship march in San Francisco or at a sister march in your city or town, September 8 will be an opportunity to show the Trump administration, fossil fuel companies, and their allies in Congress that we are resilient, we are resolute, and we won't allow them to destroy the progress we've made in combating climate change. We hope to see you there!

Sincerely,

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P.S. Check out the NRDC All In toolkit for more information and ways to get involved in the fight for climate action.<https://act.nrdc.org/go/5573?t=10&akid=1876%2E2089218%2EO3lsSi>


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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 11 22:03:38 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 22:03:38 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Excellent Play in Urbana
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB238215C16E055B70AB1FCB7BA33B0@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Although I only saw the first act due to time constraints, I highly recommend the play “Sweat” at the Station Playhouse
August 2–18, 2018
Sweat
by Lynn Nottage
directed by Mathew Green

The Pulitzer-winning play deals with economic downturn and racial strife in the working-class factory town of Reading, Pennsylvania. The play jumps between the years 2000 and 2008 to tell the story of tensions among friends and coworkers that erupt during a labor struggle. The play has been described as "a powerful and emotional look at identity, race, economy and humanity" and has been compared to the writing of August Wilson and Clifford Odets.

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 10:02:40 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:02:40 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Gina Haspel CIA Torture Cables Declassified
References: <1774257891.958599486@salsa4.salsa4DB.mail.salsalabs.com>
Message-ID: <B5F8801E-DECF-4AE4-816C-72857D2CFCD7@gmail.com>



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: The National Security Archive <nsarchiv at gwu.edu>
> Subject: Gina Haspel CIA Torture Cables Declassified
> Date: August 10, 2018 at 5:01:03 AM CDT
> To: cgestabrook at gmail.com
> Reply-To: nsarchiv at gwu.edu
> 
> 	
> Gina Haspel CIA Torture Cables Declassified
> 
> National Security Archive Wins FOIA Lawsuit for Thailand Black Site Reports
> Haspel described extended sessions of physical violence and waterboarding; CIA cables detail contract psychologists Mitchell and Jessen working for Haspel
> 
> National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 636
> 
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> Washington D.C., August 10, 2018 – Current CIA director Gina Haspel described graphic acts of deliberate physical torture including the waterboarding of a suspected Al-Qa’ida terrorist under her supervision when she was chief of base at a CIA black site in Thailand in 2002, according to declassified CIA cables – most of which she wrote or authorized – obtained by the National Security Archive through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit and posted on the Web today.
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 08:17:36 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 03:17:36 -0500
Subject: [Peace] News from Neptune, August 10, 2018
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYHOE7iYV4s <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYHOE7iYV4s>

An 'I Have a little List’ edition of News from Neptune.

In US media, "Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like it’s from Neptune.” –Noam Chomsky


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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 13 11:34:40 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:34:40 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC Yesterday
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[15,000 gather against Nazis and KKK]

Dear Karen,

Today, was an amazing demonstration of strength and unity. By 4pm there were more than 15,000 people in Lafayette Park chanting, “No Nazis, No KKK, No Fascist USA”.

It was a remarkable demonstration of unity from so many communities: Black, Latino, Asian, Arab, white people, young and old. All stood together to condemn the Nazis and KKK who thought they could come and rally in front of the White House, because they believe they have a dear friend who occupies that residence. It was shameful that the U.S. government and police spent millions of tax dollars to act as a private security escort for a handful of fascists. The police escorted them on the metro and provided police vans to take them from the Washington, D.C. area back to Virginia.

We will give a more detailed report of what happened in the coming days, but we wanted to give a shout out tonight and a huge thank you to everyone who supported this effort. Thousands of people volunteered, mobilized, or donated to make this success possible. Everyone should feel very proud. Most importantly, we laid the basis for taking next steps in making this new movement even stronger.

In solidarity,
All of us at ANSWER Coalition
http://www.answercoalition.org/<http://www.answercoalition.org/?e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cville_thankyou&n=2>


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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 13 11:55:03 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:55:03 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC Yesterday
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Sorry Carl, your focus on only one issue is detrimental to building a movement.

That is what this is all about. ANSWER more than any organization in the US is focused on war and foreign policy, but as most Americans really don’t care about war, afterall “we’re not killing Americans like us” and you can argue that point all you want but the fact is:

1) The largest protests against war in the US pre intervention of Iraq, was really opposing Bush policy’s and was organized by the Democrats.

2) The protests against just about everything the past two years is about Trump, and organized by the Democrats.

3) The protests in the 70’s died when Nixon dropped the draft. I was there, I was with the organizers who managed the largest ever protest during that time, the Counter Inaugeral, and that is precisely why Nixon eliminated the draft, after that it was extremely difficult to get the numbers.

4) Only the “Costs of war” are going to bring people out into the streets enmass in D.C. because of the impact on individual lives.

5) Organizing against the many horrific policies being promoted by the current USG due to our system of capitalism which is the cause of all, including war, takes strategy and tactics to educate, organize, and coordinate. It means working with others on issues of concern. Just talking about it in a venue that suits us, isn’t getting us anywhere.













On Aug 13, 2018, at 04:39, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com<mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com>> wrote:

But they were not chanting, “No war! Bring the troops home!”

It’s a distraction. Fascism is not the problem. US war-making is.



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[15,000 gather against Nazis and KKK]

Dear Karen,

Today, was an amazing demonstration of strength and unity. By 4pm there were more than 15,000 people in Lafayette Park chanting, “No Nazis, No KKK, No Fascist USA”.

It was a remarkable demonstration of unity from so many communities: Black, Latino, Asian, Arab, white people, young and old. All stood together to condemn the Nazis and KKK who thought they could come and rally in front of the White House, because they believe they have a dear friend who occupies that residence. It was shameful that the U.S. government and police spent millions of tax dollars to act as a private security escort for a handful of fascists. The police escorted them on the metro and provided police vans to take them from the Washington, D.C. area back to Virginia.

We will give a more detailed report of what happened in the coming days, but we wanted to give a shout out tonight and a huge thank you to everyone who supported this effort. Thousands of people volunteered, mobilized, or donated to make this success possible. Everyone should feel very proud. Most importantly, we laid the basis for taking next steps in making this new movement even stronger.

In solidarity,
All of us at ANSWER Coalition
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From bjornsona at ameritech.net  Mon Aug 13 13:36:35 2018
From: bjornsona at ameritech.net (bjornsona at ameritech.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:36:35 -0500
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in
	DC	Yesterday
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Appropo some Americans only protest war when it hits them in the draft or their pocketbook: We were in what is billed as the "3rd largest Whole Foods" in the world in Lincoln Park, just off 94 & North Ave. yesterday. Apparently,  #1 is Austin, TX and #2 is in London, Eng. At least that is what the cashier said. Complete with a locker wall interface to Amazon so that people can have their Amazon purchases delivered to Whole Foods and pick them up when shopping. It rather did feel like being at the center of an Empire. 
Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
------ Original message------From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discussDate: Mon, Aug 13, 2018 7:40 AMTo: Karen Aram;Cc: peace;Peace Discuss;Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC	Yesterday
The Nixon administration ended the draft in 1973 because of the revolt of the US expeditionary force in Vietnam. Conscript soldiers were no longer reliable.
By 1969 about 70% of the public had come to regard the war as “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake,” largely as a result of the impact of student protest on general consciousness. 
US business had by 1968 told President Johnson that the costs of the war were too high and it needed too be liquidated. He effectively resigned.
Richard Nixon was the peace candidate in 1968: he had a 'secret plan’ for ending the war. He was re-elected in 1972 because his Secretary of State announced, “Peace is at hand.”
Ending US wars in SW Asia today will not be so easy as ending wars in SE Asia (which the US essentially won) was then. Nor will it probably follow a similar pattern.
And it’s unlikely it will be done by taking up the Democrats’ disingenuous cry that the elected president is a fascist (and a Russian puppet!) - and not mentioning the wars and war provocations, except incidentally, as this rally did.
The situation is closer to the mid-1960s, when an anti-war movement had to be built from scratch, and the Democrats were screaming, “...Let every nation know ... that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty”!     
Liberty for whom is clearer now. —CGE


On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:







Sorry Carl, your focus on only one issue is detrimental to building a movement. 



That is what this is all about. ANSWER more than any organization in the US is focused on war and foreign policy, but as most Americans really don’t care about war, afterall “we’re not killing Americans like us” and you can argue that point all you want but
 the fact is: 




1) The largest protests against war in the US pre intervention of Iraq, was really opposing Bush policy’s and was organized by the Democrats.





2) The protests against just about everything the past two years is about Trump, and organized by the Democrats.





3) The protests in the 70’s died when Nixon dropped the draft. I was there, I was with the organizers who managed the largest ever protest during that time, the Counter Inaugeral, and that is precisely why Nixon eliminated the draft, after that
 it was extremely difficult to get the numbers. 




4) Only the “Costs of war” are going to bring people out into the streets enmass in D.C. because of the impact on individual lives.





5) Organizing against the many horrific policies being promoted by the current USG due to our system of capitalism which is the cause of all, including war, takes strategy and tactics to educate, organize, and coordinate. It means working with
 others on issues of concern. Just talking about it in a venue that suits us, isn’t getting us anywhere.









  


























On Aug 13, 2018, at 04:39, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:




But they were not chanting, “No war! Bring the troops home!”



It’s a distraction. Fascism is not the problem. US war-making is.








On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:































Dear Karen, Today, was an amazing demonstration of strength and unity. By 4pm there were more than 15,000 people in Lafayette Park chanting, “No Nazis, No KKK, No Fascist USA”.It was a remarkable demonstration of unity from so many communities: Black, Latino, Asian, Arab, white people, young and old. All stood together to condemn the Nazis and KKK who thought they could come and rally in front
 of the White House, because they believe they have a dear friend who occupies that residence. It was shameful that the U.S. government and police spent millions of tax dollars to act as a private security escort for a handful of fascists. The police escorted
 them on the metro and provided police vans to take them from the Washington, D.C. area back to Virginia. We will give a more detailed report of what happened in the coming days, but we wanted to give a shout out tonight and a huge thank you to everyone who supported this effort. Thousands of people volunteered, mobilized,
 or donated to make this success possible. Everyone should feel very proud. Most importantly, we laid the basis for taking next steps in making this new movement even stronger. 



In solidarity, 

All of us at ANSWER Coalition 

http://www.answercoalition.org/











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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 13 14:05:56 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:05:56 +0000
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC
 Yesterday
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Carl

The Nixon Administration ended the draft in 1973, only two weeks after the largest demonstration ever, the Counter Inaugural. Kissinger alluded to that in his memoirs.

As to Nixon being re-elected because “Peace is at Hand” statements by the Republican Administration, you’ve got to be kidding. After four years of Nixon, with the bombing of Cambodia, the American people weren’t so stupid as to believe anything the government said at that time. The problem was, many did think by the end of “72” that the war had been wound down, at least it wasn’t escalated, and all the talk about Paris Peace talks, provided the illusion that it was no longer an issue.

When people have given up hope, they stay home and don’t vote.

Again, as an organizer and supporter for McGovern I saw people giving up. It’s similar to what happened after four years of GW Bush, people just gave up.


On Aug 13, 2018, at 06:36, bjornsona at ameritech.net<mailto:bjornsona at ameritech.net> wrote:

Appropo some Americans only protest war when it hits them in the draft or their pocketbook: We were in what is billed as the "3rd largest Whole Foods" in the world in Lincoln Park, just off 94 & North Ave. yesterday. Apparently,  #1 is Austin, TX and #2 is in London, Eng. At least that is what the cashier said. Complete with a locker wall interface to Amazon so that people can have their Amazon purchases delivered to Whole Foods and pick them up when shopping.
It rather did feel like being at the center of an Empire.

Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

------ Original message------
From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2018 7:40 AM
To: Karen Aram;
Cc: peace;Peace Discuss;
Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC Yesterday

The Nixon administration ended the draft in 1973 because of the revolt of the US expeditionary force in Vietnam. Conscript soldiers were no longer reliable.

By 1969 about 70% of the public had come to regard the war as “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake,” largely as a result of the impact of student protest on general consciousness.

US business had by 1968 told President Johnson that the costs of the war were too high and it needed too be liquidated. He effectively resigned.

Richard Nixon was the peace candidate in 1968: he had a 'secret plan’ for ending the war. He was re-elected in 1972 because his Secretary of State announced, “Peace is at hand.”

Ending US wars in SW Asia today will not be so easy as ending wars in SE Asia (which the US essentially won) was then. Nor will it probably follow a similar pattern.

And it’s unlikely it will be done by taking up the Democrats’ disingenuous cry that the elected president is a fascist (and a Russian puppet!) - and not mentioning the wars and war provocations, except incidentally, as this rally did.

The situation is closer to the mid-1960s, when an anti-war movement had to be built from scratch, and the Democrats were screaming, “...Let every nation know ... that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty”!

Liberty for whom is clearer now. —CGE



On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Sorry Carl, your focus on only one issue is detrimental to building a movement.

That is what this is all about. ANSWER more than any organization in the US is focused on war and foreign policy, but as most Americans really don’t care about war, afterall “we’re not killing Americans like us” and you can argue that point all you want but the fact is:

1) The largest protests against war in the US pre intervention of Iraq, was really opposing Bush policy’s and was organized by the Democrats.

2) The protests against just about everything the past two years is about Trump, and organized by the Democrats.

3) The protests in the 70’s died when Nixon dropped the draft. I was there, I was with the organizers who managed the largest ever protest during that time, the Counter Inaugeral, and that is precisely why Nixon eliminated the draft, after that it was extremely difficult to get the numbers.

4) Only the “Costs of war” are going to bring people out into the streets enmass in D.C. because of the impact on individual lives.

5) Organizing against the many horrific policies being promoted by the current USG due to our system of capitalism which is the cause of all, including war, takes strategy and tactics to educate, organize, and coordinate. It means working with others on issues of concern. Just talking about it in a venue that suits us, isn’t getting us anywhere.













On Aug 13, 2018, at 04:39, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com<mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com>> wrote:

But they were not chanting, “No war! Bring the troops home!”

It’s a distraction. Fascism is not the problem. US war-making is.



On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

[ANSWER Coalition]<http://www.answercoalition.org/?e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cville_thankyou&n=1>


[15,000 gather against Nazis and KKK]

Dear Karen,

Today, was an amazing demonstration of strength and unity. By 4pm there were more than 15,000 people in Lafayette Park chanting, “No Nazis, No KKK, No Fascist USA”.

It was a remarkable demonstration of unity from so many communities: Black, Latino, Asian, Arab, white people, young and old. All stood together to condemn the Nazis and KKK who thought they could come and rally in front of the White House, because they believe they have a dear friend who occupies that residence. It was shameful that the U.S. government and police spent millions of tax dollars to act as a private security escort for a handful of fascists. The police escorted them on the metro and provided police vans to take them from the Washington, D.C. area back to Virginia.

We will give a more detailed report of what happened in the coming days, but we wanted to give a shout out tonight and a huge thank you to everyone who supported this effort. Thousands of people volunteered, mobilized, or donated to make this success possible. Everyone should feel very proud. Most importantly, we laid the basis for taking next steps in making this new movement even stronger.

In solidarity,
All of us at ANSWER Coalition
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 13 16:28:58 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:28:58 +0000
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC
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You won’t get any argument from me, on that one. As a former Democrat, I now see them as the biggest obstacle to solving our problems of war, poverty, and all else. Due to their support for FP, and distractions related to nazis, racism, gender inequality, the illusion of "we are better than that.”

Thats not to say racism, gender inequality, and the far right aren’t legitimate concerns, they are part of our system of injustice and inequality, and until we focus on changing our system of profit, we will not have any change in these conditions.

Changing the system isn’t going to happen if we continue to alienate or rail against the Democrats, ignoring the Republicans or neocons, given they are part of the same system, playing good cop vs. bad cop.

It isn’t going to “enlighten” anyone, let alone liberals or what is now referred to as the “ left.”


On Aug 13, 2018, at 08:30, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag<mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>> wrote:

I am not very impressed with the Democrats.  They dont believe in the Bill of Rights or freedom of expression.
They dont really care about stopping war or stopping the waste of money and human lives it represents.

I really see the Democrat party as a bigger threat to the world than is the KKK.
I dont suppose that left to themselves, the KKK could have much of an impact.

The Democrat party is pretty much the publicity arm of the KKK.
If not for the Dems, no one much would give a ripe red one about what
the KKK is doing.

White supremacy and neo-nazis are not really all that cool and
it doesnt seem that ya gotta have a cow about them to get people to
not sucked in by their alluring indoctrinations.

I'd say it's those same folks who are trying to tell us that the
Russians hacked the election who are also having a conniption fit about
Nazis in America.  Not many people are going to buy into the notion
that Schickelgruber was actually a really nice guy, just poorly understood.
It is certain that Americans "aint too swuft" but Nazis threatening America?

I'd be a lot more worried about things like tetanus and crab grass.


Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote:
Carl

The Nixon Administration ended the draft in 1973, only two weeks after the largest demonstration ever, the Counter Inaugural. Kissinger alluded to that in his memoirs.

As to Nixon being re-elected because “Peace is at Hand” statements by the Republican Administration, you’ve got to be kidding. After four years of Nixon, with the bombing of Cambodia, the American people weren’t so stupid as to believe anything the government said at that time. The problem was, many did think by the end of “72” that the war had been wound down, at least it wasn’t escalated, and all the talk about Paris Peace talks, provided the illusion that it was no longer an issue.

When people have given up hope, they stay home and don’t vote.

Again, as an organizer and supporter for McGovern I saw people giving up. It’s similar to what happened after four years of GW Bush, people just gave up.


On Aug 13, 2018, at 06:36, bjornsona at ameritech.net<mailto:bjornsona at ameritech.net> wrote:

Appropo some Americans only protest war when it hits them in the draft or their pocketbook: We were in what is billed as the "3rd largest Whole Foods" in the world in Lincoln Park, just off 94 & North Ave. yesterday. Apparently,  #1 is Austin, TX and #2 is in London, Eng. At least that is what the cashier said. Complete with a locker wall interface to Amazon so that people can have their Amazon purchases delivered to Whole Foods and pick them up when shopping.
It rather did feel like being at the center of an Empire.

Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

------ Original message------
From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2018 7:40 AM
To: Karen Aram;
Cc: peace;Peace Discuss;
Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC Yesterday

The Nixon administration ended the draft in 1973 because of the revolt of the US expeditionary force in Vietnam. Conscript soldiers were no longer reliable.

By 1969 about 70% of the public had come to regard the war as “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake,” largely as a result of the impact of student protest on general consciousness.

US business had by 1968 told President Johnson that the costs of the war were too high and it needed too be liquidated. He effectively resigned.

Richard Nixon was the peace candidate in 1968: he had a 'secret plan’ for ending the war. He was re-elected in 1972 because his Secretary of State announced, “Peace is at hand.”

Ending US wars in SW Asia today will not be so easy as ending wars in SE Asia (which the US essentially won) was then. Nor will it probably follow a similar pattern.

And it’s unlikely it will be done by taking up the Democrats’ disingenuous cry that the elected president is a fascist (and a Russian puppet!) - and not mentioning the wars and war provocations, except incidentally, as this rally did.

The situation is closer to the mid-1960s, when an anti-war movement had to be built from scratch, and the Democrats were screaming, “...Let every nation know ... that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty”!

Liberty for whom is clearer now. —CGE



On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Sorry Carl, your focus on only one issue is detrimental to building a movement.

That is what this is all about. ANSWER more than any organization in the US is focused on war and foreign policy, but as most Americans really don’t care about war, afterall “we’re not killing Americans like us” and you can argue that point all you want but the fact is:

1) The largest protests against war in the US pre intervention of Iraq, was really opposing Bush policy’s and was organized by the Democrats.

2) The protests against just about everything the past two years is about Trump, and organized by the Democrats.

3) The protests in the 70’s died when Nixon dropped the draft. I was there, I was with the organizers who managed the largest ever protest during that time, the Counter Inaugeral, and that is precisely why Nixon eliminated the draft, after that it was extremely difficult to get the numbers.

4) Only the “Costs of war” are going to bring people out into the streets enmass in D.C. because of the impact on individual lives.

5) Organizing against the many horrific policies being promoted by the current USG due to our system of capitalism which is the cause of all, including war, takes strategy and tactics to educate, organize, and coordinate. It means working with others on issues of concern. Just talking about it in a venue that suits us, isn’t getting us anywhere.













On Aug 13, 2018, at 04:39, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com<mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com>> wrote:

But they were not chanting, “No war! Bring the troops home!”

It’s a distraction. Fascism is not the problem. US war-making is.



On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

[ANSWER                                                            Coalition]<http://www.answercoalition.org/?e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cville_thankyou&n=1>


[15,000                                                            gather against                                                            Nazis and KKK]

Dear Karen,

Today, was an amazing demonstration of strength and unity. By 4pm there were more than 15,000 people in Lafayette Park chanting, “No Nazis, No KKK, No Fascist USA”.

It was a remarkable demonstration of unity from so many communities: Black, Latino, Asian, Arab, white people, young and old. All stood together to condemn the Nazis and KKK who thought they could come and rally in front of the White House, because they believe they have a dear friend who occupies that residence. It was shameful that the U.S. government and police spent millions of tax dollars to act as a private security escort for a handful of fascists. The police escorted them on the metro and provided police vans to take them from the Washington, D.C. area back to Virginia.

We will give a more detailed report of what happened in the coming days, but we wanted to give a shout out tonight and a huge thank you to everyone who supported this effort. Thousands of people volunteered, mobilized, or donated to make this success possible. Everyone should feel very proud. Most importantly, we laid the basis for taking next steps in making this new movement even stronger.

In solidarity,
All of us at ANSWER Coalition
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From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:09:15 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Opposing the Alt Right peacefully
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 13 22:53:54 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:53:54 +0000
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC
 Yesterday
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Carl, then by all means do so, acting positively is always more effective than acting negatively towards others activism.

As I said before, ANSWER is the one anti-war organization formed before the Iraq war, as an opponent to war, and they have never stopped or given up protesting against war. So, criticizing them for going out against fascism seems to me to be rather petti, and I think you would agree, if you weren’t set on being contentious.

On Aug 13, 2018, at 15:06, Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu<mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:

But changing the system is going to happen if we continue to chant, "Fascism is nasty!" (with significant side-eye)?

Maybe we should oppose US war-making - instead of rooting for Sanders and Warren and all the other pro-war liberal Democrats. ("If we could just give the Democrats control of the Congress in the fall...")

--CGE


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Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 11:28 AM
To: E. Wayne Johnson
Cc: peace; C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss; Peace Discuss
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC Yesterday

You won’t get any argument from me, on that one. As a former Democrat, I now see them as the biggest obstacle to solving our problems of war, poverty, and all else. Due to their support for FP, and distractions related to nazis, racism, gender inequality, the illusion of "we are better than that.”

Thats not to say racism, gender inequality, and the far right aren’t legitimate concerns, they are part of our system of injustice and inequality, and until we focus on changing our system of profit, we will not have any change in these conditions.

Changing the system isn’t going to happen if we continue to alienate or rail against the Democrats, ignoring the Republicans or neocons, given they are part of the same system, playing good cop vs. bad cop.

It isn’t going to “enlighten” anyone, let alone liberals or what is now referred to as the “ left.”


On Aug 13, 2018, at 08:30, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag<mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>> wrote:

I am not very impressed with the Democrats.  They dont believe in the Bill of Rights or freedom of expression.
They dont really care about stopping war or stopping the waste of money and human lives it represents.

I really see the Democrat party as a bigger threat to the world than is the KKK.
I dont suppose that left to themselves, the KKK could have much of an impact.

The Democrat party is pretty much the publicity arm of the KKK.
If not for the Dems, no one much would give a ripe red one about what
the KKK is doing.

White supremacy and neo-nazis are not really all that cool and
it doesnt seem that ya gotta have a cow about them to get people to
not sucked in by their alluring indoctrinations.

I'd say it's those same folks who are trying to tell us that the
Russians hacked the election who are also having a conniption fit about
Nazis in America.  Not many people are going to buy into the notion
that Schickelgruber was actually a really nice guy, just poorly understood.
It is certain that Americans "aint too swuft" but Nazis threatening America?

I'd be a lot more worried about things like tetanus and crab grass.


Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote:
Carl

The Nixon Administration ended the draft in 1973, only two weeks after the largest demonstration ever, the Counter Inaugural. Kissinger alluded to that in his memoirs.

As to Nixon being re-elected because “Peace is at Hand” statements by the Republican Administration, you’ve got to be kidding. After four years of Nixon, with the bombing of Cambodia, the American people weren’t so stupid as to believe anything the government said at that time. The problem was, many did think by the end of “72” that the war had been wound down, at least it wasn’t escalated, and all the talk about Paris Peace talks, provided the illusion that it was no longer an issue.

When people have given up hope, they stay home and don’t vote.

Again, as an organizer and supporter for McGovern I saw people giving up. It’s similar to what happened after four years of GW Bush, people just gave up.


On Aug 13, 2018, at 06:36, bjornsona at ameritech.net<mailto:bjornsona at ameritech.net> wrote:

Appropo some Americans only protest war when it hits them in the draft or their pocketbook: We were in what is billed as the "3rd largest Whole Foods" in the world in Lincoln Park, just off 94 & North Ave. yesterday. Apparently,  #1 is Austin, TX and #2 is in London, Eng. At least that is what the cashier said. Complete with a locker wall interface to Amazon so that people can have their Amazon purchases delivered to Whole Foods and pick them up when shopping.
It rather did feel like being at the center of an Empire.

Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

------ Original message------
From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2018 7:40 AM
To: Karen Aram;
Cc: peace;Peace Discuss;
Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC Yesterday

The Nixon administration ended the draft in 1973 because of the revolt of the US expeditionary force in Vietnam. Conscript soldiers were no longer reliable.

By 1969 about 70% of the public had come to regard the war as “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake,” largely as a result of the impact of student protest on general consciousness.

US business had by 1968 told President Johnson that the costs of the war were too high and it needed too be liquidated. He effectively resigned.

Richard Nixon was the peace candidate in 1968: he had a 'secret plan’ for ending the war. He was re-elected in 1972 because his Secretary of State announced, “Peace is at hand.”

Ending US wars in SW Asia today will not be so easy as ending wars in SE Asia (which the US essentially won) was then. Nor will it probably follow a similar pattern.

And it’s unlikely it will be done by taking up the Democrats’ disingenuous cry that the elected president is a fascist (and a Russian puppet!) - and not mentioning the wars and war provocations, except incidentally, as this rally did.

The situation is closer to the mid-1960s, when an anti-war movement had to be built from scratch, and the Democrats were screaming, “...Let every nation know ... that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty”!

Liberty for whom is clearer now. —CGE



On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Sorry Carl, your focus on only one issue is detrimental to building a movement.

That is what this is all about. ANSWER more than any organization in the US is focused on war and foreign policy, but as most Americans really don’t care about war, afterall “we’re not killing Americans like us” and you can argue that point all you want but the fact is:

1) The largest protests against war in the US pre intervention of Iraq, was really opposing Bush policy’s and was organized by the Democrats.

2) The protests against just about everything the past two years is about Trump, and organized by the Democrats.

3) The protests in the 70’s died when Nixon dropped the draft. I was there, I was with the organizers who managed the largest ever protest during that time, the Counter Inaugeral, and that is precisely why Nixon eliminated the draft, after that it was extremely difficult to get the numbers.

4) Only the “Costs of war” are going to bring people out into the streets enmass in D.C. because of the impact on individual lives.

5) Organizing against the many horrific policies being promoted by the current USG due to our system of capitalism which is the cause of all, including war, takes strategy and tactics to educate, organize, and coordinate. It means working with others on issues of concern. Just talking about it in a venue that suits us, isn’t getting us anywhere.













On Aug 13, 2018, at 04:39, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com<mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com>> wrote:

But they were not chanting, “No war! Bring the troops home!”

It’s a distraction. Fascism is not the problem. US war-making is.



On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

[ANSWER                                                            Coalition]<http://www.answercoalition.org/?e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cville_thankyou&n=1>


[15,000                                                            gather against                                                            Nazis and KKK]

Dear Karen,

Today, was an amazing demonstration of strength and unity. By 4pm there were more than 15,000 people in Lafayette Park chanting, “No Nazis, No KKK, No Fascist USA”.

It was a remarkable demonstration of unity from so many communities: Black, Latino, Asian, Arab, white people, young and old. All stood together to condemn the Nazis and KKK who thought they could come and rally in front of the White House, because they believe they have a dear friend who occupies that residence. It was shameful that the U.S. government and police spent millions of tax dollars to act as a private security escort for a handful of fascists. The police escorted them on the metro and provided police vans to take them from the Washington, D.C. area back to Virginia.

We will give a more detailed report of what happened in the coming days, but we wanted to give a shout out tonight and a huge thank you to everyone who supported this effort. Thousands of people volunteered, mobilized, or donated to make this success possible. Everyone should feel very proud. Most importantly, we laid the basis for taking next steps in making this new movement even stronger.

In solidarity,
All of us at ANSWER Coalition
http://www.answercoalition.org/<http://www.answercoalition.org/?e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cville_thankyou&n=2>



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From mickalideh at gmail.com  Mon Aug 13 23:11:52 2018
From: mickalideh at gmail.com (Harry Mickalide)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 18:11:52 -0500
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC
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Well said Karen!

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Carl, then by all means do so, acting positively is always more effective
> than acting negatively towards others activism.
>
> As I said before, ANSWER is the one anti-war organization formed before
> the Iraq war, as an opponent to war, and they have never stopped or given
> up protesting against war. So, criticizing them for going out against
> fascism seems to me to be rather petti, and I think you would agree, if you
> weren’t set on being contentious.
>
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 15:06, Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
>
> But changing the system is going to happen if we continue to chant,
> "Fascism is nasty!" (with significant side-eye)?
>
> Maybe we should oppose US war-making - instead of rooting for Sanders and
> Warren and all the other pro-war liberal Democrats. ("If we could just give
> the Democrats control of the Congress in the fall...")
>
> --CGE
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Peace-discuss [peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] on
> behalf of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss [peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2018 11:28 AM
> *To:* E. Wayne Johnson
> *Cc:* peace; C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss; Peace Discuss
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC
> Yesterday
>
> You won’t get any argument from me, on that one. As a former Democrat, I
> now see them as the biggest obstacle to solving our problems of war,
> poverty, and all else. Due to their support for FP, and distractions
> related to nazis, racism, gender inequality, the illusion of "we are better
> than that.”
>
>
> Thats not to say racism, gender inequality, and the far right aren’t
> legitimate concerns, they are part of our system of injustice and
> inequality, and until we focus on changing our system of profit, we will
> not have any change in these conditions.
>
>
> Changing the system isn’t going to happen if we continue to alienate or
> rail against the Democrats, ignoring the Republicans or neocons, given they
> are part of the same system, playing good cop vs. bad cop.
>
> It isn’t going to “enlighten” anyone, let alone liberals or what is now
> referred to as the “ left.”
>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 08:30, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>
> I am not very impressed with the Democrats.  They dont believe in the Bill
> of Rights or freedom of expression.
> They dont really care about stopping war or stopping the waste of money
> and human lives it represents.
>
> I really see the Democrat party as a bigger threat to the world than is
> the KKK.
> I dont suppose that left to themselves, the KKK could have much of an
> impact.
>
> The Democrat party is pretty much the publicity arm of the KKK.
> If not for the Dems, no one much would give a ripe red one about what
> the KKK is doing.
>
> White supremacy and neo-nazis are not really all that cool and
> it doesnt seem that ya gotta have a cow about them to get people to
> not sucked in by their alluring indoctrinations.
>
> I'd say it's those same folks who are trying to tell us that the
> Russians hacked the election who are also having a conniption fit about
> Nazis in America.  Not many people are going to buy into the notion
> that Schickelgruber was actually a really nice guy, just poorly understood.
> It is certain that Americans "aint too swuft" but Nazis threatening
> America?
>
> I'd be a lot more worried about things like tetanus and crab grass.
>
>
> Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote:
>
> Carl
>
> The Nixon Administration ended the draft in 1973, only two weeks after the
> largest demonstration ever, the Counter Inaugural. Kissinger alluded to
> that in his memoirs.
>
> As to Nixon being re-elected because “Peace is at Hand” statements by the
> Republican Administration, you’ve got to be kidding. After four years of
> Nixon, with the bombing of Cambodia, the American people weren’t so stupid
> as to believe anything the government said at that time. The problem was,
> many did think by the end of “72” that the war had been wound down, at
> least it wasn’t escalated, and all the talk about Paris Peace talks,
> provided the illusion that it was no longer an issue.
>
> When people have given up hope, they stay home and don’t vote.
>
> Again, as an organizer and supporter for McGovern I saw people giving up.
> It’s similar to what happened after four years of GW Bush, people just gave
> up.
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 06:36, bjornsona at ameritech.net wrote:
>
> Appropo some Americans only protest war when it hits them in the draft or
> their pocketbook: We were in what is billed as the "3rd largest Whole
> Foods" in the world in Lincoln Park, just off 94 & North Ave. yesterday.
> Apparently,  #1 is Austin, TX and #2 is in London, Eng. At least that is
> what the cashier said. Complete with a locker wall interface to Amazon so
> that people can have their Amazon purchases delivered to Whole Foods and
> pick them up when shopping.
> It rather did feel like being at the center of an Empire.
>
> *Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone*
>
> ------ Original message------
> *From: *C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
> *Date: *Mon, Aug 13, 2018 7:40 AM
> *To: *Karen Aram;
> *Cc: *peace;Peace Discuss;
> *Subject:*Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC
> Yesterday
>
> The Nixon administration ended the draft in 1973 because of the revolt of
> the US expeditionary force in Vietnam. Conscript soldiers were no longer
> reliable.
>
> By 1969 about 70% of the public had come to regard the war as
> “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake,” largely as a result of
> the impact of student protest on general consciousness.
>
> US business had by 1968 told President Johnson that the costs of the war
> were too high and it needed too be liquidated. He effectively resigned.
>
> Richard Nixon was the peace candidate in 1968: he had a 'secret plan’ for
> ending the war. He was re-elected in 1972 because his Secretary of State
> announced, “Peace is at hand.”
>
> Ending US wars in SW Asia today will not be so easy as ending wars in SE
> Asia (which the US essentially won) was then. Nor will it probably follow a
> similar pattern.
>
> And it’s unlikely it will be done by taking up the Democrats’ disingenuous
> cry that the elected president is a fascist (and a Russian puppet!) - and
> not mentioning the wars and war provocations, except incidentally, as this
> rally did.
>
> The situation is closer to the mid-1960s, when an anti-war movement had to
> be built from scratch, and the Democrats were screaming, “...Let every
> nation know ... that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any
> hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the
> success of liberty”!
>
> Liberty for whom is clearer now. —CGE
>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry Carl, your focus on only one issue is detrimental to building a
> movement.
>
> That is what this is all about. ANSWER more than any organization in the
> US is focused on war and foreign policy, but as most Americans really don’t
> care about war, afterall “we’re not killing Americans like us” and you can
> argue that point all you want but the fact is:
>
>
> 1) The largest protests against war in the US pre intervention of Iraq,
> was really opposing Bush policy’s and was organized by the Democrats.
>
>
> 2) The protests against just about everything the past two years is about
> Trump, and organized by the Democrats.
>
>
> 3) The protests in the 70’s died when Nixon dropped the draft. I was
> there, I was with the organizers who managed the largest ever protest
> during that time, the Counter Inaugeral, and that is precisely why Nixon
> eliminated the draft, after that it was extremely difficult to get the
> numbers.
>
>
> 4) Only the “Costs of war” are going to bring people out into the streets
> enmass in D.C. because of the impact on individual lives.
>
>
> 5) Organizing against the many horrific policies being promoted by the
> current USG due to our system of capitalism which is the cause of all,
> including war, takes strategy and tactics to educate, organize, and
> coordinate. It means working with others on issues of concern. Just talking
> about it in a venue that suits us, isn’t getting us anywhere.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 04:39, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But they were not chanting, “No war! Bring the troops home!”
>
> It’s a distraction. Fascism is not the problem. US war-making is.
>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> [image: ANSWER Coalition]
> <http://www.answercoalition.org/?e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cville_thankyou&n=1>
>
> [image: 15,000 gather against Nazis and KKK]
>
> Dear Karen,
>
> Today, was an amazing demonstration of strength and unity. By 4pm there
> were more than 15,000 people in Lafayette Park chanting, “No Nazis, No KKK,
> No Fascist USA”.
>
> It was a remarkable demonstration of unity from so many communities:
> Black, Latino, Asian, Arab, white people, young and old. All stood together
> to condemn the Nazis and KKK who thought they could come and rally in front
> of the White House, because they believe they have a dear friend who
> occupies that residence. It was shameful that the U.S. government and
> police spent millions of tax dollars to act as a private security escort
> for a handful of fascists. The police escorted them on the metro and
> provided police vans to take them from the Washington, D.C. area back to
> Virginia.
>
> We will give a more detailed report of what happened in the coming days,
> but we wanted to give a shout out tonight and a huge thank you to everyone
> who supported this effort. Thousands of people volunteered, mobilized, or
> donated to make this success possible. Everyone should feel very proud.
> Most importantly, we laid the basis for taking next steps in making this
> new movement even stronger.
>
> In solidarity,
> All of us at ANSWER Coalition
> http://www.answercoalition.org/
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From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:50:41 +0000
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC
 Yesterday
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Carl, yes they are because many of them, the leaders, as well as those likely set up by the CIA, are supported by the neocons in government, who are supported by the corporate ruling elites whatever Party is in power. 


> On Aug 13, 2018, at 16:40, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Forget about the ‘AltRight.’ The AltRight is not killing people around the world.
> 
> Our government is. We should be opposing the Congress, the major parties, the Pentagon, the State Department, the ‘intelligence community’ et al. - the war party.
> 
> At worst, the AltRight is a stick to beat Trump with, so that he resumes Obama’s neocon and neolib policies. (“Did you see what Putin’s puppet said about Charlottesville?!”)
> 
> —CGE
> 
> 
> “If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” —Pynchon
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Well said Karen!
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> Carl, then by all means do so, acting positively is always more effective than acting negatively towards others activism. 
>> 
>> As I said before, ANSWER is the one anti-war organization formed before the Iraq war, as an opponent to war, and they have never stopped or given up protesting against war. So, criticizing them for going out against fascism seems to me to be rather petti, and I think you would agree, if you weren’t set on being contentious.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 15:06, Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But changing the system is going to happen if we continue to chant, "Fascism is nasty!" (with significant side-eye)?
>>> 
>>> Maybe we should oppose US war-making - instead of rooting for Sanders and Warren and all the other pro-war liberal Democrats. ("If we could just give the Democrats control of the Congress in the fall...")
>>> 
>>> --CGE 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote:
>>>>> Carl
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Nixon Administration ended the draft in 1973, only two weeks after the largest demonstration ever, the Counter Inaugural. Kissinger alluded to that in his memoirs. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As to Nixon being re-elected because “Peace is at Hand” statements by the Republican Administration, you’ve got to be kidding. After four years of Nixon, with the bombing of Cambodia, the American people weren’t so stupid as to believe anything the government said at that time. The problem was, many did think by the end of “72” that the war had been wound down, at least it wasn’t escalated, and all the talk about Paris Peace talks, provided the illusion that it was no longer an issue. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> When people have given up hope, they stay home and don’t vote. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Again, as an organizer and supporter for McGovern I saw people giving up. It’s similar to what happened after four years of GW Bush, people just gave up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>>> From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
>>>>>> Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2018 7:40 AM
>>>>>> To: Karen Aram;
>>>>>> Cc: peace;Peace Discuss;
>>>>>> Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Anti-Fascist Demonstration in DC Yesterday
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Nixon administration ended the draft in 1973 because of the revolt of the US expeditionary force in Vietnam. Conscript soldiers were no longer reliable.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By 1969 about 70% of the public had come to regard the war as “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake,” largely as a result of the impact of student protest on general consciousness. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> US business had by 1968 told President Johnson that the costs of the war were too high and it needed too be liquidated. He effectively resigned.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Richard Nixon was the peace candidate in 1968: he had a 'secret plan’ for ending the war. He was re-elected in 1972 because his Secretary of State announced, “Peace is at hand.”
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ending US wars in SW Asia today will not be so easy as ending wars in SE Asia (which the US essentially won) was then. Nor will it probably follow a similar pattern.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And it’s unlikely it will be done by taking up the Democrats’ disingenuous cry that the elected president is a fascist (and a Russian puppet!) - and not mentioning the wars and war provocations, except incidentally, as this rally did.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The situation is closer to the mid-1960s, when an anti-war movement had to be built from scratch, and the Democrats were screaming, “...Let every nation know ... that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty”!     
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Liberty for whom is clearer now. —CGE
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sorry Carl, your focus on only one issue is detrimental to building a movement. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That is what this is all about. ANSWER more than any organization in the US is focused on war and foreign policy, but as most Americans really don’t care about war, afterall “we’re not killing Americans like us” and you can argue that point all you want but the fact is: 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 1) The largest protests against war in the US pre intervention of Iraq, was really opposing Bush policy’s and was organized by the Democrats.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 2) The protests against just about everything the past two years is about Trump, and organized by the Democrats.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 3) The protests in the 70’s died when Nixon dropped the draft. I was there, I was with the organizers who managed the largest ever protest during that time, the Counter Inaugeral, and that is precisely why Nixon eliminated the draft, after that it was extremely difficult to get the numbers. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 4) Only the “Costs of war” are going to bring people out into the streets enmass in D.C. because of the impact on individual lives.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 5) Organizing against the many horrific policies being promoted by the current USG due to our system of capitalism which is the cause of all, including war, takes strategy and tactics to educate, organize, and coordinate. It means working with others on issues of concern. Just talking about it in a venue that suits us, isn’t getting us anywhere.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 04:39, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> But they were not chanting, “No war! Bring the troops home!”
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It’s a distraction. Fascism is not the problem. US war-making is.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dear Karen, 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Today, was an amazing demonstration of strength and unity. By 4pm there were more than 15,000 people in Lafayette Park chanting, “No Nazis, No KKK, No Fascist USA”.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It was a remarkable demonstration of unity from so many communities: Black, Latino, Asian, Arab, white people, young and old. All stood together to condemn the Nazis and KKK who thought they could come and rally in front of the White House, because they believe they have a dear friend who occupies that residence. It was shameful that the U.S. government and police spent millions of tax dollars to act as a private security escort for a handful of fascists. The police escorted them on the metro and provided police vans to take them from the Washington, D.C. area back to Virginia. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We will give a more detailed report of what happened in the coming days, but we wanted to give a shout out tonight and a huge thank you to everyone who supported this effort. Thousands of people volunteered, mobilized, or donated to make this success possible. Everyone should feel very proud. Most importantly, we laid the basis for taking next steps in making this new movement even stronger. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In solidarity, 
>>>>>>>>> All of us at ANSWER Coalition 
>>>>>>>>> http://www.answercoalition.org/
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Peace mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
> 


From karenaram at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 14 14:30:00 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:30:00 +0000
Subject: [Peace] YES!!! Patrick Martin nails it.
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What the neo-Nazi debacle in Washington showed
By Patrick Martin
14 August 2018

The turnout at the Washington neo-Nazi rally Sunday gave a glimpse of the real character of the fascist and white supremacist forces in the United States. Amid a blare of media publicity, grossly exaggerating the popular support for the ultra-right, less than two dozen people turned up for the “Unite the Right 2” rally in Lafayette Park, across from the White House.

The entire affair should be described as a state-sponsored provocation rather than an actual rally. The handful of neo-Nazis were given their own private car on the Washington Metro, separated by police from other passengers. They rode through subway stations patrolled by more police, were escorted from the Foggy Bottom Metro station through a private exit, escorted by still more police on the walk to Lafayette Square, and protected there by hundreds of riot police, who kept away anti-fascist protesters who outnumbered the neo-Nazis at least a hundred to one. After the rally, the fascists boarded white vans, supplied either by the police or Metro, and were whisked away to safety.

At every point, the neo-Nazis were outnumbered by the journalists covering the non-event. Dozens of reporters trailed Jason Kessler, the organizer of the rally, recording his every word. As for the scale of the media hype, the number of hours of cable television coverage proved to be greater than the number of neo-Nazis in attendance.

And this was not primarily Fox News, which was somewhat embarrassed by the pro-Trump character of the white supremacist rally. CNN and MSNBC provided virtually unlimited airtime, and National Public Radio granted Kessler a seven-minute-long interview to spew his racist filth virtually uninterrupted to a nationwide audience. The effect was to build up the neo-Nazis as a potentially formidable force, out of all proportion to their actual support among the American people.

Kessler called the rally to spit on the memory of Heather Heyer, the anti-fascist protester murdered by a white supremacist in Charlottesville, Virginia, exactly a year before, during the first “Unite the Right” rally in that university town. But it was clear that he miscalculated. While Charlottesville in 2017 was the scene of a full-scale fascist riot involving hundreds of torch-bearing racists, ostensibly defending Confederate statues from planned removal, Lafayette Park in 2018 was a debacle.

Many of the racist groups that took part in Charlottesville decided not to come to Washington, at least in part because of the planned left-wing counterprotests. Also, much of the Virginia-based ultra-right is engaged in the campaign of Republican Senate candidate Corey Stewart, who is openly appealing to racism and anti-immigrant bigotry and is being shunned by the Republican Party establishment, although not by Trump, who has effusively endorsed him.

It is worth pointing out that efforts to organize counterprotests to “Unite the Right 2” were censored by Facebook, on the thoroughly bogus grounds that they represented an artificial movement supposedly instigated by the Russian government to set Americans against each other. Facebook shut down one website promoting the counterprotest claiming that it showed signs of “inauthentic activity.”

In reality, thousands of young people and working people turned out for the counterprotest, with some traveling from New York City or even further to show their hatred for the fascists as well as their hostility to the Trump administration, which they clearly regarded as the moral author of the neo-Nazi rally, if not the actual sponsor.

It was “Unite the Right 2” which better deserved the label “inauthentic” since it was made possible only by state and media manipulation, attracted almost no one, and had no genuine popular support.

The debacle in Lafayette Park does not mean that neo-Nazis and white supremacists can be dismissed or ignored. But it showed where the real danger lies: not as yet in any significant mass support for their ultra-reactionary politics, but in the systematic promotion of such forces by the capitalist state, both by the Trump administration and through police forces at every level, from ICE and the Border Patrol down to the local cops.

Fascist elements are promoted to intimidate popular opposition to the Trump administration, and to create the impression that there is significant support for its right-wing rampage against immigrants and its all-out backing of police violence and brutality against the working class.

A particularly foul role is played by the corporate media, backed by sections of the pseudo-left, who present the white supremacist groups as having widespread support, in keeping with their habitual slanders of white workers as being incorrigibly racist.

For nearly two years, the Democratic Party and its media allies have peddled a racialist explanation for the election of Trump and the right-wing policies being pursued by his administration. According to this narrative, Trump won the presidency because of a white racist vote in the working class in states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.

The claims that America is awash in racism, and that Trump’s election proves it, have been repeatedly disproven by serious analyses of the voting patterns in 2016 (see: “The myth of the reactionary white working class<http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/11/12/pers-n12.html>”).

It is especially absurd, given that the same states voted twice for Barack Obama, the first African-American president, and several were won by Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primaries over Hillary Clinton. It was only the right-wing campaign of Clinton, who made not the slightest appeal to the working class, that drove down turnout among both white and black workers and gave Trump the opening to win support on the basis of economic nationalism and populist demagogy.

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Facebook censors the left
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Wed Aug 15 12:04:20 2018
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 08:04:20 -0400
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] We need an American Corbyn
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I completely agree.

Bernie's not there yet. But he's gotten much closer than I would have
imagined three years ago. It's quite plausible that he could get there in
the next two years if he's pushed consistently. He has the right people
nearby.



Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
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On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:43 AM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
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> https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/08/14/jeremy-
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From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:20:02 +0000
Subject: [Peace] The Real News interview with Eugene Puryear in relation to
 confronting the right wing
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https://therealnews.com/stories/right-wing-reunion-in-charlottesville-portland-and-dc-outnumbered-by-anti-racist

From bjornsona at ameritech.net  Tue Aug 21 15:11:14 2018
From: bjornsona at ameritech.net (bjornsona at ameritech.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:11:14 -0500
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] The poets often get here first - and so
	must be	misinterpreted
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CIA: Coup Instigators Ass.? Colonial Imperial Assets? What's your CIA acronym? I am sure you have better ones.
Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
------ Original message------From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discussDate: Mon, Aug 20, 2018 1:28 PMTo: Peace Discuss;Cc: peace;Subject:[Peace-discuss] The poets often get here first - and so must be	misinterpreted
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/08/15/russiagate-and-the-men-with-glass-eyes/

..Inept in leadership, inexpert in policy, Trump is merely an obstacle to the perpetuation of the capitalist imperialism on the neoliberal model so expertly guided by Barack Obama....Not capable of bringing real proof in an American court of law, corrupt as it is, Robert Mueller’s special counsel cleverly–or perhaps transparently–choose to indict Russians who will never see the inside of a North American courtroom, as well as a handful of Trumpian associates who he is able to convict for crimes uncovered in his borderless troll through Trump’s nefarious real estate backrooms, but which have nothing to do with the so-called “collusion” suspicion for which Mueller has been engaged. (Mueller had already proven his fealty to the deep state with his pathetic lies about Iraqi WMDs...)...the Democrats make a great theater out of exhibiting their all-consuming desire to “protect our democracy” a phrase that economically conveys two falsehoods in three words. It deserves a pri
 me time place in any definition of “two-faced” in Webster’s, or in the enumerated faults of neoliberal Democrats.Precedent Ignored...what have the Democrats and the intelligence agencies and their slavish media newsrooms and op-ed departments been doing unceasingly since even before the election: casting the sexist and racist character of the president in the starkest relief imaginable, then adding in the poison of treason to a cocktail of contempt, a trifecta of indictments that they believe will surely product the constitutional coup they hope for. Why? Not because they give a damn about democracy, since we don’t live in one and have long since abandoned the practice, if not the pretence, of democracy for plutocracy. We’ve done this on their own watch.No, the Democrats want Trump out because, still smiting from the embarrassment of their world-historical loss to the buffoon they hand-picked for an opponent, they are desperate to regain power. The effort is led by members
  of Congress Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Dianne Feinstein, Elijah Cummings, Jerrold Nadler, and others. They’ve cleverly aligned themselves outright with the intelligence and military community because they know the latter is likewise desperate to maintain the trajectory of American hegemony that has been in place since the end of World War Two. The intelligence front is led by former CIA lead and the godfather of Russiagate, John Brennan, who spied on Congress; and also former National Intelligence Director James Clapper, who wittingly lied to Congress about surveillance. Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his ravenous gang of legal muckrakers lead the formal attempt to legitimate the fatuities of Russiagate.Add to these an ocean of MSM zealots like the Times' Charles Blow and MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow and CNN’s Wolf “Blitzkrieg” Blitzer. This loose confederacy of dunces have perfected the art of maintaining permanent crisis mode. This is precisely the same kind of vigilance w
 ith which the neoconservatives and its supplicant press corps maintained a perpetual state of alarm before George Bush doubled Bill Clinton’s record for Iraqi slaughter (+/- 1M to +/- 500k).Nobody seems to remember or know about the Church Committee from the 1970s, which uncovered the rank treachery of the CIA and its peer institutions. Nor do they recall how pliant and tractable some in their ranks were in the run-up to the worst war of the century in Iraq. Nor do they seem to recall the history of our foreign policy community and its biblical devotion to global dominion by any means necessary. They are no less zealous than the Zionists – a compliment of the highest order for true devotees of settler colonialism and imperial expansionists. You can follow the line of imperial thought from button-up imperialist “realists” George Kennan and Dean Acheson and John Foster Dulles, to the smug savagery of Henry Kissinger; then to the fell designs of Mackinder acolyte Zbigniew Brzez
 inksi, and all the way through to the Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle Project for a New American Century clan; then on to the empowered manias of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld; and straight through to the slightly more muted personas of Richard Gates and Ashton Carter, and finally on to the unhinged ravings of John Bolton. The Democrats now lionize these people....Democrats trust the intelligence agencies they’ve conspired with to regain power and work to hinder any efforts at peace the president makes in the meantime. This from a community that railed at “Republican obstructionism” and professes a commitment to peace in foreign policy. (Continue reading after you’ve pacified your howling derision.)Perhaps the only three decent decisions of Donald Trump since November 2016 have been:+ Meeting Kim Jong-un, a step dutifully ignored by all other administrations since the Korean War ended, and calling off the threatening and chest-thumping military drills that have helped rei
 nforce a paranoid government in Pyeongyang. In an emblematic instance of mainstream media coverage, the Washington Post (with its laughable masthead line, “Democracy Dies in Darkness”) breathlessly reported on “stunned” U.S. officials who “fretted” like brittle octogenarian grandmothers about meeting with such a duplicitous rogue nation. Naturally, “U.S. officials cautioned…” that we ought not to trust the DPRK after their littered past of broken promises. Of course, the paper forgets to note Washington’s own record of shifty deceits and dissembling guile. Much like The New York Times did yesterday when it professed faux concern over slaughtered children in Yemen without once mentioning the U.S. role facilitating that war.+ Efforts to warm relations with Moscow after the Obama administration rebooted the Cold War when the security state realized that fearmongering about Islamic terrorism was wearing thin on western publics. The subsequent reorientation of America
 n power against established powers rather than terrorist cliques flies in the face of Trump’s attempts to form positive alliances with Vladimir Putin over Syria, to bring Russia back into the G7, and to end the theatrics over alleged Russian government efforts to subvert the fake democratic process in the U.S. His sideline meetingswith Putin in Vietnam – behaving like a young teen trying to escape his parents’ watchful eye for sixty seconds – and their summit in Helsinki, perhaps the need for a formal summit being triggered by the intense efforts to keep the two leaders apart.+ Decision to quit funding terrorists in Syria, as the Obama administration did surreptitiously by diverting weapons deliveries through allies and by rebranding jihadists as “moderate rebels.”Democratic “obstructionism” in the form of Russiagate has foiled efforts to move forward on all three fronts, belying their professed distaste for both warmaking and partisanship....look at the history of A
 merican capitalism and its highest stage, imperialism, assess its motives, and call the present “defense of democracy” campaign for what it truly is: a slow-motion constitutional coup and a rapid-fire perception management master class. Our own founding father and slave-owner, the “author of America”, Thomas Jefferson, wrote this:“The most effectual engines for pacifying a nation are the public papers… A despotic government always keeps a kind of standing army of news-writers who, without any regard to truth or to what should be like truth, invent and put into the papers whatever might serve the ministers. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper.”Was he wrong? Greenblatt would have us believe the champions of justice and decency are making a heroic effort to defang a coming tyrant before he brings us to certain ruin. Please. Even Falstaff knew better than that.
--Jason Hirthler <jasonhirthler at gmail.com>, author of The Sins of Empire: Unmasking American Imperialism 
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From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:41:04 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Win Without War: Call Durbin and Duckworth on Murphy Yemen
	amendment
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They should do more than vote for it. They should co-sponsor it...

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Date: Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:57 AM
Subject: New Yemen Amendment [Call Now]
To: Robert R Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>


The Senate could vote this week to end U.S. support for the brutal war in
Yemen. Call your senators now.
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Call Sens. Durbin and Duckworth and demand they vote to cut off U.S.
support for the war in Yemen >>
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Robert—

Two weeks ago, the Saudi-led, U.S.-backed coalition in Yemen dropped a
U.S.-made bomb on a school bus and killed 40 kids. [1] And media outlets
and major celebrities are talking about it — from Chris Hayes to Jim Carrey.

*This tragedy has shattered the media silence on U.S. involvement in
bombing Yemen. *

And now we have a chance to turn our outrage into action. Connecticut
Senator Chris Murphy just introduced an amendment in the Senate that would
end U.S. funding for the brutal war in Yemen. Robert, this is our big
chance to slam on the brakes and stop our role in enabling the suffering in
Yemen.

*Now, we’ve got to ramp up major grassroots pressure to push Sen. Murphy’s
amendment through the Senate. And the Senate could vote **any time** this
week — so we’ve got to act fast.*

Call now and urge Sens. Richard Durbin and Tammy Duckworth to vote for Sen.
Murphy’s amendment to cut off U.S. support for the Saudi-led war in Yemen.
<https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/call-stop-yemen-funding?source=em20180821&t=2&akid=2563%2E325488%2EDUe9CF>

<https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/call-stop-yemen-funding?source=em20180821&t=3&akid=2563%2E325488%2EDUe9CF>

CNN is broadcasting maps showing how many Yemeni civilians Lockheed Martin
and Raytheon’s bombs have killed. Robert, this means the United States’
horrific involvement in Yemen is finally in the news — in a big way.

*We have major momentum to stop enabling the world’s worst humanitarian
crisis. And Sen. Murphy’s amendment gives us a way to make that happen.*

His amendment #3793 to the massive, must-pass 2019 defense appropriations
bill would shut down U.S. funding for this brutal war unless the Secretary
of Defense certifies the Saudi-led coalition is not violating international
law. *When you’re blowing up school buses and weddings and hospitals,
you’re violating international law, period. So Sen. Murphy’s amendment
would effectively stop our tax dollars flowing into the war in Yemen.*

But it’s still an uphill battle. Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans are
trying every trick in the book to block Sen. Murphy’s amendment from even
getting to a vote. That’s where we come in.

*If we can flood every single Senate office with constituent calls
supporting Sen. Murphy’s amendment, we can make it clear that the time for
ignoring the war Yemen is over. We’ve turned the tide of public opinion.
Our senators must act.*

Call now: Sens. Durbin and Duckworth must end U.S. support for the brutal
war in Yemen.
<https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/call-stop-yemen-funding?source=em20180821&t=4&akid=2563%2E325488%2EDUe9CF>

This moment was supposed to be impossible, Robert. For over a year,
activists like you have kept up relentless pressure. We’ve forced U.S.
complicity in this brutal war into the spotlight. We’ve refused to stay
silent while our tax dollars are helping to bomb school buses and weddings,
send millions to the brink of starvation, and fuel the worst cholera
epidemic in recorded history. We’ve shoved this locked door wide open. And
I know that together, we can shut down U.S. involvement in this terrible
war for good.

Thank you for working for peace,

Erica, Mariam, Amy, and the Win Without War team

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 23 13:55:48 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 13:55:48 +0000
Subject: [Peace] It's here now, FB censorship of left-wing,
	anti-war oganizations
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One year after WSWS open letter to Google
Facebook escalates censorship of left-wing, anti-war organizations
23 August 2018

One year ago this week, the World Socialist Web Site published an open letter<http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/08/25/pers-a25.html> to search monopoly Google demanding that it end its censorship of the internet.

The letter documented that a change in Google’s search algorithms that the company claimed was aimed at promoting “authoritative” news sources had led to a substantial decline in search traffic to left-wing, socialist and anti-war sites. Google, the letter from WSWS International Editorial Board Chairperson David North stated, was “engaged in political censorship of the Internet.”

One year later, it is clear that the allegations against Google were both correct and extremely prescient. The measures taken by Google initiated a sweeping system of corporate-state censorship adopted by all the US technology monopolies, including Facebook and Twitter. A campaign that began under the pretext of combatting “Russian meddling” and “fake news” is ever more openly targeting left-wing views.

The latest and most extreme attack on democratic rights came Tuesday, when Facebook announced that it has removed hundreds of user accounts and pages, many opposing the crimes of the American, Saudi, and Israeli governments in the Middle East, claiming they were the result of “influence campaigns” by Iran and Russia.

Some of the accounts purported to be “American liberals supportive of US Senator Bernie Sanders,” who expressed “support for Palestinians and opposition to Israel,” according to FireEye, the cybersecurity firm, heavily staffed by former intelligence operatives, with whom Facebook coordinated the deletions.

The press went even further in linking left-wing viewpoints with “foreign influence” operations. The Financial Times declared, “In the US, FireEye found accounts purporting to support Bernie Sanders, the US senator, and a fake organisation called Rise Against the Right. In the UK, the company discovered fabricated organisations called British Left and the British Progressive Front posting in support of Jeremy Corbyn, leader of the Labour Party.”

Virginia Democrat Mark Warner, who is leading the campaign for censorship, made clear that the internet giants’ moves to censor the internet are far broader than the original pretext of Russian “meddling” in the 2016 election. “There’s no way the problem of social media manipulation is limited to a single troll farm in St. Petersburg, and that fact is now beyond a doubt.” He added, “Iranians are now following the Kremlin’s playbook from 2016.”

Tellingly, FireEye said that it had only “moderate confidence that this activity originates from Iranian actors.” The company added that the possibility exists that “the activity could originate from elsewhere” or includes “authentic online behavior.”

Wherever the accounts originate, it is not up to Facebook to determine whether they are “authentic” or not. Tellingly, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, in a conference call with reporters, added that some of the accounts removed came from “a set of people the U.S. government and others have linked to Russia.” Given that dominant sections of the US state have sought to brand anyone who opposes US foreign policy as an agent of the Kremlin, such a broad definition could extend to any public critic of the US political establishment.

On the same day that Facebook removed pages and accounts it said were “linked to Iran,” it terminated the longstanding Facebook account of a WSWS contributor writing under a pseudonym, declaring that it would only reinstate the account if he provided government identification proving his identity.

Were such a standard to apply across the board, social media posts by contemporary authors Richard Bachman (who writes as Stephen King), Anne Rampling (who writes as Anne Rice) and countless others would be “inauthentic” if they were to use the names by which are known to by millions of people. Some of the most famous figures in the revolutionary movement, including Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky, were known exclusively by their pen names. And of course, the American Federalist Papers and Anti-Federalist papers were all drafted by writers using pseudonyms.

Facebook, acting in coordination with government entities, serves as judge, jury and executioner in deciding who is granted the freedom of expression guaranteed under the First Amendment and international civil rights laws. It claims the right, with no trial, no appeal, and providing no information, to declare statements to be “inauthentic” and remove accounts making them.

Last month, Facebook deleted the official page of the left-wing counter-protest to this month’s fascist “Unite the Right 2” demonstration in Washington, which was endorsed by prominent left-wing political activists, including whistleblower Chelsea Manning. Its rationale was that one account connected to the event page displayed “coordinated inauthentic behavior.”

This week, the Washington Post reported that Facebook operates an internal ranking system to determine “the trustworthiness of its users on a scale from zero to 1.” Those labeled “untrustworthy” will evidently be liable or deletion.

What is being introduced, piece by piece, is the mechanism for US technology monopolies to silence anyone, at any time, for any reason, by claiming their statements and views are “inauthentic” and “divisive.”

Such a mechanism, tested and implemented in the privately-controlled social media ecosystems, will then, with the ending of net neutrality, be used by internet service providers to block access to sites on the public internet and through email, claiming the “responsibility” to police their privately-owned networks.

In other words, one year after the WSWS published its open letter, all the mechanisms have been created for Google, Facebook, Twitter and leading internet service providers to ban and silence anyone, with no legal recourse, oversight or public knowledge.

But in the year since the publication of the open letter, another process has emerged. The working class all over the world has entered into struggle, beginning with a wave of teachers’ strikes in the US earlier this year, and continuing with strikes by heavy industry workers in Germany, airline pilots throughout Europe at Ryanair, and a growing opposition and anger among UPS workers, autoworkers, Amazon workers and other sections of the working class.

The moves to intensify censorship are aimed above all at blocking the intersection of this growing movement of the working class with a socialist program.

But this movement of the working class also creates the political basis for the struggle against censorship. As workers clash with their employers and their union collaborators, they must inscribe on their banners opposition to political censorship and must fight for the expropriation of the social media monopolies under public control as a key component of the fight for socialism.

In January of this year, the World Socialist Web Site issued an open letter<http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/01/23/pers-j23.html>calling for “socialist, anti-war, left-wing and progressive websites, organizations and activists” to join “an international coalition to fight Internet censorship.” This appeal is more relevant than ever. We urge everyone seeking to fight the grip of the technology monopolies and intelligence agencies over the internet to contact us<http://www.wsws.org/en/topics/mediaCategory/google-censorship/> and join the fight against censorship!

Andre Damon

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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Fri Aug 24 20:19:29 2018
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 15:19:29 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Is Kamala Harris running in the endless war and Empire lane?
Message-ID: <CALMNhNS+e0UMM8WU3bWew9aeC5cAmqzw=6OxaBJtS4UVPh=dyA@mail.gmail.com>

Of the five Senate Dems widely mooted as presidential candidates, Kamala
Harris is the only one who didn't/hasn't [co-]sponsor[ed] the
Sanders-Lee-Murphy resolution to end the U.S.-Saudi war in Yemen. Dianne
Feinstein co-sponsored it. Why not Kamala Harris?

Maybe because Kamala Harris is planning to run in the endless war and
Empire lane?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-joint-re
solution/54/cosponsors

S.J.Res.54 - A joint resolution to direct the removal of United States
Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been
authorized by Congress.
115th Congress (2017-2018) |

Cosponsors: S.J.Res.54 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)

*Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT]* | Cosponsor statistics: 14 current
- includes 2 original

Cosponsor Date Cosponsored
Sen. Lee, Mike [R-UT]* 02/28/2018
Sen. Murphy, Christopher [D-CT]* 02/28/2018
*Sen. Booker, Cory A. [D-NJ] 03/01/2018*
Sen. Durbin, Richard J. [D-IL] 03/01/2018
*Sen. Warren, Elizabeth [D-MA] 03/01/2018*
Sen. Markey, Edward J. [D-MA] 03/06/2018
Sen. Leahy, Patrick J. [D-VT] 03/08/2018
*Sen. Feinstein, Dianne [D-CA] 03/08/2018*
Sen. Wyden, Ron [D-OR] 03/13/2018
Sen. Blumenthal, Richard [D-CT] 03/14/2018
*Sen. Gillibrand, Kirsten E. [D-NY] 03/19/2018*
Sen. Baldwin, Tammy [D-WI] 03/19/2018
Sen. Merkley, Jeff [D-OR] 03/20/2018
Sen. Schatz, Brian [D-HI] 03/20/2018

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From kmedina67 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 04:12:29 2018
From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 23:12:29 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Free for the taking: Good books and bad beer - August 25
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 Dear peace,  Just a reminder, some of Carl Estabrook's books are up for grabs so bring a strong bag.  Why buy a great book when Carl is willing to give you the book off his shelf?  - Karen Medina"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain

-------- Original message --------From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Date: 8/10/18  11:46  (GMT-06:00) To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good books and bad beer - August 25 
GOOD BOOKS AND BAD BEER - AUGUST 25 

Dear friends,

After 32 years at 5 Litchfield Lane in Champaign, my bride and I are moving to more manageable quarters.   

In pursuit of felicity, I have in those years acquired a number of books and a fair number of bottles of bad beer.

Will you come help relieve me of these burdens on Saturday August 25, from 5pm to 8?

We’ll have a first floor and a basement of books for the taking and a dining room of miscellaneous beer for the drinking. The books are generally better than the the beers, but that’s probably true in life - in spite of Housman’s despairing asseveration, “...malt does more than Milton can / To justify God’s ways to man.”

What Ben Franklin is supposed to have said was probably closer to the truth: “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” (A Francophile, he was probably actually speaking of wine.)

You’re welcome to take the books (and the beer) you like. It would please me if friends enjoyed books I’ve enjoyed. (That’s not so possible with the beer, but you’re welcome to that too.) Bring a bag to carry the books, and a thirst to accommodate the beer. 

Leigh and I look forward to seeing you 5-8pm on the  25th.

Regards, Carl



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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 25 11:00:56 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:00:56 +0000
Subject: [Peace] US backed Saudi regime set to behead female activist and
 four others. "our friend and ally"
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If this headline doesn’t sicken you, read further down.
US-backed Saudi regime set to behead female activist and four others
25 August 2018

State prosecutors in Saudi Arabia have called for the execution by beheading of 29-year-old political activist Israa al-Ghomgham, her husband, Moussa al-Hashem, and three others for the “crimes” of peacefully demonstrating against the country’s monarchical dictatorship, chanting slogans against the regime and posting videos of their protests on social media.

The death sentences, including the first for a Saudi woman based on alleged political offenses, are emblematic of a criminal regime that counts as Washington’s closest ally in the Arab world.

The protests that led to the charges took place in the port city of Qatif in the Saudi kingdom’s oil-rich Eastern Province, home to the bulk of the country’s Shia minority population. Beginning in 2011 and continuing since, the protests have challenged the systematic discrimination against and oppression of the Shia population by a monarchy that is bound up with the official, state-sponsored religious doctrine of Wahhabism, an ultra-conservative Sunni sect.

The demonstrations, demanding equality, improved social conditions in a region that remains deeply impoverished despite its oil wealth, freedom of expression and the release of political prisoners, have been answered with a police state crackdown that has seen entire communities subjected to military siege.

Israa al-Ghomgham and her husband were arrested on December 6, 2015 when security forces staged a night raid on their home. They have been imprisoned ever since, held for 32 months, most of that time without access to a lawyer and without being presented with any formal charges against them. From a working class background, Ghomgham’s family did not have the money to pay for a lawyer. It was only after her father began a public attempt to raise funds that an attorney volunteered to defend her.

She and her co-defendants were tried in the Saudi regime’s Specialized Criminal Court, set up in 2008, ostensibly to try terrorism cases. The court’s proceedings, in which the rights of defendants are virtually non-existent, amount to a show trial, with the verdict as well as the sentence determined in advance by the monarchy.

The court is tasked with implementing the notorious 2017 counter-terrorism law, which describes insulting the Saudi king and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the 33-year-old heir to the throne, as an act of terrorism.

The same court in 2014 sentenced to death prominent Shia cleric Nimr al-Nimr and seven other Shia activists. They were put to death in a mass execution of 47 people on the same day in January 2016. The court sentenced 14 others to death on similar trumped-up political charges in 2016.

The regime routinely crucifies the headless corpses of its victims in an attempt to terrorize the population and intimidate any potential opposition to the absolute rule exercised by the royal House of Saud.

It is with the same end that the regime now proposes to execute, for the first time, a woman charged with political opposition. Many other women have been executed after being convicted for other offenses. Women convicted of adultery are routinely stoned to death. A Saudi executioner told the Saudi daily Sabq that he found women more resistant to beheadings than men, and had resorted to shooting them in the head.

Saudi Arabia executes far more people per capita than any other country on the planet. Last year, nearly 150 individuals were beheaded. This year appears destined to top that grisly toll, with the number of beheadings in the first quarter of 2018 increasing by 70 percent compared to the same period last year.

In addition to political opposition to the monarchy, such executions are meted out to those found guilty by Saudi courts of atheism, blasphemy, adultery, homosexuality or witchcraft.

The Trump administration has issued no statement on the impending execution of Israa al-Ghomgham and her co-defendants. The media has been relatively silent. No major editorials have appeared decrying their fate.

The attention paid to this barbaric state crime represents not even a fraction of the coverage lavished by the corporate media in the United States on the “reforms” introduced by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, principally his allowing Saudi women—those who can afford a car—to drive. There has been little mention of the fact that Saudi women activists who advocated equal rights were rounded up by the security forces, with an estimated 14 of them still behind bars.

Figures identified with the #MeToo movement have been noticeably silent about the threatened execution of a Saudi woman for speaking out against oppression. Their supposed defense of women never extends to the victims of capitalism or conflicts in any way with the global interests of US imperialism.

When bin Salman toured the US in April he was feted not only by the Trump administration, but also by the media and an array of American billionaires, from Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos to Oprah Winfrey, Bill Gates and Apple CEO Tim Cook.

Involved in the lionization of this state criminal and murderer are not only the profit interests of energy conglomerates, arms manufacturers, banks and numerous other corporations seeking to profit off of Saudi Arabia’s oil wealth.

Democratic and Republican administrations alike have for more than seven decades supported the Saudi monarchy, one of the most reactionary regimes in the world, as a linchpin of US policy in the Middle East, arming it to the teeth. This support has only intensified as the Trump administration has ratcheted up US aggression against Iran, seeking to cobble together an anti-Iranian coalition including both Saudi Arabia and Israel for the purpose of rolling back Iranian influence in the region and asserting US hegemony.

Just as the Trump administration has remained silent about the threat to behead a Saudi woman and her fellow defendants for peaceful protest, so the Obama administration made no significant response to the mass execution of political prisoners when it was in office. Instead, both Democratic and Republican White Houses signed hundreds of billions of dollars of arms deals with the regime.

So too, both administrations provided indispensable military support for the near-genocidal war led by Saudi forces against the impoverished country of Yemen, where some 16,000 have been killed and more than 8.5 million have been brought to the brink of starvation.

On Thursday, it was reported that 27 civilians—22 of them children—were slaughtered in a Saudi air strike that demolished a vehicle in which a family was fleeing from an embattled neighborhood in the besieged port city of Hodeidah. This atrocity comes just two weeks after the August 9 strike in which a US-supplied bomb tore to pieces a bus filled with school children, killing 51 people, 40 of them children. These acts of mass murder have also received scant attention in the media and elicited no change in US support for the savage war.

The Saudi royal dictatorship, its monstrous crimes, and US support for them constitute the appropriate yardstick against which all of the “human rights” propaganda pumped out by Washington to justify its predatory aims from Venezuela, to Syria, to Iran, Russia and China should be measured.

Bill Van Auken

WSWS.ORG<http://wsws.org>
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 27 13:56:13 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 13:56:13 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Important Announcement
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Sorry to ruin your day folks with news that you won’t get from mainstream media, I know this isn’t the kind of announcements you want to hear. One would think being on the Peace List, you would want to know of the lack of peace in our world today, especially at the hands of our own government. After all, you can get news of local get togethers to celebrate something or other, elsewhere in the community.



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US-backed Saudi air strikes massacre dozens of Yemeni children for second time in two weeks
By Jordan Shilton
27 August 2018

At least 22 children and four women were killed by Saudi air strikes in Yemen on Thursday as the US-backed coalition continues its onslaught on the port city of Hodeidah and surrounding areas. The latest atrocities came just two weeks after a Saudi aircraft dropped an American-supplied bomb on a school bus in the northern town of Dahyan, killing 40 children and injuring more than 50.

According to reports from a news network aligned with the Houthi rebels, the first Saudi air strike hit a camp for internally displaced people (IDPS) in Duraihami, killing five people and injuring two. Then, in an act of cold-blooded murder that has become the hallmark of the Saudi air war in the impoverished country, an aircraft struck a group of 26 women and children trying to flee the scene of the earlier air strike by bus.

The Saudi-led coalition sought to justify the bombing by claiming that the rebels fired a ballistic missile from the area earlier in the day. In reality, the indiscriminate targeting of civilians is nothing new. According to data compiled by al-Jazeera and the Yemen Data Project, around one third of the 16,000 Saudi air strikes on Yemen since March 2015 have hit civilian targets. These have included weddings, water treatment plants, hospitals and electricity plants.

As with every air strike launched by the Saudis and their allies, which bear responsibility for the vast majority of the tens of thousands of civilian deaths caused by the bloody three-year-long conflict, the two strikes Thursday would not have occurred without the support of the United States. US military personnel operate a joint headquarters with their Saudi counterparts in Riyadh for intelligence sharing, regularly refuel Saudi jets in midair so they can continue their murderous raids, and supply the reactionary dictatorship with billions of dollars worth of bombs and other military equipment. Analyses of contracts between US defence contractors and Riyadh indicate that $90 billion in military equipment was sold to Riyadh by the US between 2010 and 2015.

Just one week prior to the latest massacre, research published by CNN revealed that the 500-pound bomb dropped by Saudi aircraft on a school bus on 9 August was manufactured by Lockheed Martin, the US' largest defence contractor. It was supplied to the Saudi air force in a munitions deal approved by the State Department after former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson lifted restrictions on supplying precision-guided arms shipments to Riyadh in march 2017.

Washington's support for Riyadh's near-genocidal assault on the Yemeni population was initiated by the Obama administration in March 2015. It has been intensified over the past year, including with the deployment of US special forces on the ground to call in air strikes, and a dramatic increase in the number of air strikes launched directly by the US in Yemen. These attacks, ostensibly directed against Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and ISIS forces, saw a five-fold increase to over 130 in 2017.

Responding to the latest attack, United Nations officials renewed the organization's demand, issued following the August 9 school bus bombing, for an independent inquiry into the latest round of atrocities. Mark Lowcock, the UN's top relief official, declared that there was no doubt of Riyadh's responsibility for Thursday's twin attacks.

The bombing is part of the Saudi-led coalition's brutal offensive, relaunched in early July in close collaboration with Washington, to take the port city of Hodeidah, which Houthi rebels have held since 2014. The port remains one of the few lifelines through which aid can pass into the war-ravaged country. The siege of the city is causing aid organisations to fear that 8 million Yemenis, more than a third of the population, could be left without food.

Horrendous war crimes like those carried out on Thursday and in the school bus attack are a regular occurrence. On 2 August, at least 60 people were killed and over 130 injured after a fish market in Hodeidah was bombed. Meanwhile, Middle East Eye reported on 16 August that residents of the town of Duraihami, some 20 kilometres south of Hodeidah, had been stranded in their houses for days as Saudi forces and mercenaries carried out an offensive against the city to retake it from the Houthis.

“There are some people that have bled to death [in the street] and no one dared to help them because of the clashes. Some corpses have decayed in the streets,” Ahmed Mubarak, a Duraihami resident, told Middle East Eye. “The town lives under siege, and also we are under siege inside our houses, as the snipers in the city from both sides kill anyone who leaves his house to the street.”

On Friday, Human Rights Watch (HRW) released a 90-page report accusing the Saudi-United Arab Emirates alliance of war crimes. HRW criticised the Joint Incident Assessment Team (JIAT), set up by Saudi Arabia and the UAE to examine allegations of war crimes, for “absolving coalition members of legal responsibility in the vast majority of attacks.” The report continued: “JIAT investigations show no apparent effort to investigate personal criminal responsibility for unlawful air attacks. This apparent attempt to shield parties to the conflict and individual military personnel from criminal liability is itself a violation of the laws of war.”

Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch, said, “For more than two years, the coalition has claimed that JIAT was credibly investigating allegedly unlawful air strikes, but the investigators were doing little more than covering up war crimes.”

The slaughtering of civilians in Yemen has been all but ignored by the corporate-controlled media. The few expressions of concern that have been made, including from a handful of members of the US Congress, have focused on the danger that US military personnel could be charged with war crimes, rather than expressing any real concern for the plight of the Yemeni people.

The massacring of tens of thousands of civilians in pursuit of US imperialism's predatory interests in the Middle East long ago became a routine affair for the media and political establishment. If the Saudis now feel they can act with such impunity in Yemen, it is not merely because Washington backs Riyadh's aggressive war to the hilt, but also because the United States has been no less ruthless in its slaughtering of civilians. Since the launching of the “war on terror” 17 years ago, US imperialism has laid waste to entire societies and bears responsibility for deaths in the millions, including in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.

US imperialism's unwavering support for Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen is bound up with its determination to retain its unchallenged dominance over the strategically significant and oil-rich Middle East. Washington's drive to crush the resistance of the Houthis, whom the US and Riyadh routinely accuse, without providing any evidence, of being Iranian puppets, is viewed as the prelude to an even bloodier and more devastating conflict with Iran.

The threat of such a catastrophic war is growing. In tandem with its backing for the escalation of the Yemen conflict over recent months, the Trump administration has moved to abrogate the 2015 nuclear accord with Iran. At the same time, Washington has given Israel a free hand to bomb Iranian installations in Syria, which has emboldened the right-wing Netanyahu government.

Earlier this month, the US began to reimpose punishing sanctions against Tehran, with a further round due to target Iran's lucrative oil exports in November. Washington has used these measures of economic warfare to bully its nominal allies and rivals alike to line up behind its provocative threats against Iran, which could rapidly erupt into a region-wide military conflict that would draw in the major powers.

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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Mon Aug 27 23:09:55 2018
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:09:55 -0500
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fwd: The Other Side of John McCain
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Here's our alert:

@SenSchumer:Don’t rename Senate office building for divisive war advocate
John McCain
Don’t rename the Russell Senate office building for John McCain. John
McCain divisively attacked Americans who oppose unconstitutional and
endless wars. Paul Wellstone, who voted against the Iraq war, would be a
more appropriate choice.
https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/senschumer-dont-rename?r_by=1135580

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On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 5:56 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Consortium News
>
> If the paeans to McCain by diverse political climbers seems detached from
> reality, it’s because they reflect the elite view of U.S. military
> interventions as a chess game, with the millions killed by unprovoked
> aggression mere statistics, says Max Blumenthal.
>
> https://consortiumnews.com/2018/08/27/the-other-side-of-john-mccain/
> <http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=gWsMVorbKXHcEoieivJOv2NWX1VwKB8q>
>
> While there, read other stories at https://consortiumnews.com/
> <http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=%2FWNyx7sUlSnauOv5Yl%2B9bWNWX1VwKB8q>,
> including:
>
> Being Pro-Palestinian Doesn’t Make Jeremy Corbyn an Anti-Semite
> <http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=s3j%2BEZuKa8Yf1LqcvpsqZw2gcwaYuDhH> by
> As’ad AbuKhalil
>
> The Limits of Elizabeth Warren
> <http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=1EATCThMWFDRHMGQF31Ue2NWX1VwKB8q> by
> Sam Husseini
>
> *Introducing*: Consortium News on Flash Points, Our Second Radio Show
> <http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=%2FjJGS9LVh2X9HCyKCzp4l2NWX1VwKB8q>
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 28 11:40:42 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 11:40:42 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Heroes in Missouri
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https://therealnews.com/columns/peace-activists-block-boeing-weapons-facility-with-bus-to-protest-war-on-
Peace Activists Block Boeing Weapons Facility with Bus to Protest War on Yemen
By: Ben Norton<https://therealnews.com/bios/ben-norton> | August 27, 2018
[boeing bus yemen protest]
Peace activists block entrance to Boeing weapons facility in Missouri to protest US-Saudi war on Yemen (Credit: Heather De Mian)
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Peace activists in St. Charles, Missouri blocked the entrance to a weapons facility run by the arms manufacturer Boeing on Monday, August 27, in protest of the joint US-Saudi war on Yemen.

The anti-war demonstrators barricaded the street with a bus, on which they wrote “Boeing gains from Yemen’s pain.”

They used a bus as a symbol of Saudi Arabia’s August 9 bombing of a school bus in Yemen, in which at least 40 children and 11 adults were killed and another 79 civilians were wounded with a US-made bomb.

The Earth Defense Coalition<https://www.facebook.com/EarthDefenseCoalition/photos/a.270484466726641/512978682477217/?type=3&theater> said in a press release that the “action was done in solidarity with the people of Yemen as they are murdered by Saudi Arabia using weapons supplied by Boeing and other weapons manufacturers.”

The group noted that the St. Charles Boeing office manufactures “smart bomb” kits like those used by Saudi Arabia in Yemen.

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RIGHT NOW two activists are currently LOCKED DOWN TO A SCHOOL BUS blockading the entrance to the offices of #Boeing<https://twitter.com/hashtag/Boeing?src=hash>, near #StLouis<https://twitter.com/hashtag/StLouis?src=hash>. The action is solidarity with the people of #Yemen<https://twitter.com/hashtag/Yemen?src=hash>.

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The “lockdown” protest began at 6 am EST and lasted for more than five hours.

Phillip Flagg, one of the protesters on the bus, said in a statement:

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To the people of Yemen I’d like to say that we have heard your cries and that you are not alone. On the contrary, it seems clear to me that both the Yemeni and American people share a common enemy in the United States government and the corporations that control it. The same corporate state that is responsible for your suffering in Yemen is responsible for our suffering from Flint to Ferguson to the bayous of Louisiana.

Activist Amber Mae said two protesters were arrested in the action and charged with obstructing and resisting and are being held on $600 cash bond. “One will post bail, the other has chosen to remain incarcerated awaiting time with a judge,” Mae said.

Heather De Mian, a citizen journalist who uses the handle @MissJupiter1957, livestreamed<https://www.pscp.tv/w/1dRKZgeqnngGB> video footage and reported from the site of the protest:

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De Mian said the police parked their cars around the bus to prevent reporters from filming it.

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Protesters using a bus to block the entrance to the Boeing Plant in St Charles, MO.
I'm told there are protesters chained together & the bus represents the school bus bombed in Yemen.https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/17/middleeast/us-saudi-yemen-bus-strike-intl/index.html …<https://t.co/bugikFKRoy> pic.twitter.com/DzPBb3IkCb<https://t.co/DzPBb3IkCb>

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The St Charles Police have decided to violate the First Amendment Freedom of the Press & have strategically parked their vehicles to prevent filming of their handling of the protesters.
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Yemeni journalist Ahmad Algohbary wrote in support of the protest, “As one of the Yemeni people, I express my deep gratitude for those activists for standing in solidarity with us and for blocking both entrances to Boeing Defense Building 598 in St. Charles facility today morning.”

“The bus represents the school bus crime by #US bomb in #Yemen,” Algohbary said.

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As one of the Yemeni people, I express my deep gratitude for those activists for standing in solidarity with us and for blocking both entrances to Boeing Defense Building 598 in St. Charles facility today morning.
The bus represents the school bus crime by #US<https://twitter.com/hashtag/US?src=hash> bomb in #Yemen<https://twitter.com/hashtag/Yemen?src=hash>.

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“Thank you so much, from Yemen, wrote journalist Nasser Morshid Arrabyee<https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10156630485629839&id=600869838&__xts__[0]=68.ARDypwjt3x0fWX-3qC0kAK6bWjBoljUchkPBaRAxLCTQgnWxBbUbx6stzMwGKVCiUZKPa4nVPhBVnESI_lkO-W_yd1tTycMqlFyMHgjln1lZ0u5rKl-6k6mzPmOkAytrVMfi-jA&__tn__=-R>. “Yemen bus will remain spot of shame and disgrace on killers. Your bus will remain symbol of love in our debt.”
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From bjornsona at ameritech.net  Tue Aug 28 22:25:32 2018
From: bjornsona at ameritech.net (bjornsona at ameritech.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:25:32 -0500
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] The Other Side of John McCain
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With McCain barely gone, alternative news is reporting Russia has sent ships to Syrian waters, while the U. S., France & Britain have theirs on the way. According to alternative Blackstone Intelligence Report, 8/28/18, Russia is attempting to stop a  Western fake chemical weapons attack followed by a real offensive. I have found Blackstone to be trustworthy over time. 

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------ Original message------From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discussDate: Mon, Aug 27, 2018 10:57 PMTo: Robert Naiman;Cc: Peace Discuss;peace;Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] The Other Side of John McCain
"Here is a piece that Cockburn and I wrote in 1999 about a psychiatric evaluation of McCain underwent while a prisoner of war in North Vietnam. The psych0logical portrait drawn by Spanish psychiatrist Fernando Barral is that of a deeply narcissistic personality, cold, hardened and largely devoid of human empathy, a man who seemed to view the bombing of civilian populations as a kind of sport. These aggressive personality traits have also characterized his nasty political career." –Jeffrey St. Clair
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/08/27/the-horrors-of-john-mccain-war-hero-or-war-criminal-2/

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:

Here's our alert:
@SenSchumer:Don’t rename Senate office building for divisive war advocate John McCainDon’t rename the Russell Senate office building for John McCain. John McCain divisively attacked Americans who oppose unconstitutional and endless wars. Paul Wellstone, who voted against the Iraq war, would be a more appropriate choice.https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/senschumer-dont-rename?r_by=1135580

===
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Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 5:56 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
Consortium News
If the paeans to McCain by diverse political climbers seems detached from reality, it’s because they reflect the elite view of U.S. military interventions as a chess game, with the millions killed by unprovoked aggression mere statistics, says Max Blumenthal. https://consortiumnews.com/2018/08/27/the-other-side-of-john-mccain/While there, read other stories at https://consortiumnews.com/, including:
Being Pro-Palestinian Doesn’t Make Jeremy Corbyn an Anti-Semite by As’ad AbuKhalilThe Limits of Elizabeth Warren by Sam HusseiniIntroducing: Consortium News on Flash Points, Our Second Radio Show
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 29 14:08:26 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 14:08:26 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Carl's posting related to alignment of "war and abortion"
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Carl’s letter to the NG below is fine, it’s his opinion and he has a right to express his opinion , placing it on FB along with the Peace Discuss List, is also his right. However, when he places it on the AWARE FB page, where he represents the AWARE group, I must object. I now see why the group has failed to recruit new members, and has lost many from previous years, given its affiliation with anti-abortion issues, not just war, that along with the election of Obama, on the assumption he was a peace candidate.

Carl is right on target, when his focus is on anti-war, which is why I have always supported him and AWARE, but now he has taken AWARE to the “right,” along with his apologist attitude towards Trump, thus I recommend the ANSWER Coalition with their local group now in Champaign, for those interested in supporting the anti-war movement.

Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.N.S.W.E.R.


Please also see Carl’s letter on the AWARE FB page below:


"Anti-war and anti-abortion efforts belong together. The contemporary anti-war movement grows out of the appalling fact that the US government has killed more than 20 million people in almost 40 nations since World War II - and has done so to maintain the economic control of the world that the US inherited as the only largely undamaged major country after that war.

Abortion is the leading cause of death in the US today. An abortion obviously ends a human life; it ought to be opposed by all of us who say that our political views are that we’re “against anything that kills people or destroys the planet we live on."

But most of my friends who’ve had an abortion or seriously considered it have done so for economic reasons. Most of them privileged people, they have been unable to countenance the burdens, financial and personal, that would come with a(nother) child. That’s clearly even more the case for those who lack their privileges.

Those of us opposed to the destruction of human life - at home or abroad, before or after birth - must also be opposed to the circumstances that lead people to end unborn human lives. Medicare for all, child supports, free education, and a universal basic income must be insisted upon by those of us who are opposed to abortion and war.”
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From bjornsona at ameritech.net  Wed Aug 29 16:26:16 2018
From: bjornsona at ameritech.net (bjornsona at ameritech.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:26:16 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Carl's posting related to alignment of "war and
 abortion"
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Carl is  correct in a strategic sense that the only way Americans MIGHT  join together right now while we still have a chance is if both sides gave a little on their "I will NEVER budge"  issues. A COMPROMISE, not full scale giving in, is what we need. I have a friend who thinks this one issue has been a major cause of many of our woes because so many potential activists put blinders on to the rest of the atrocities happening in the world. Joining up is the only way we will get anywhere. I appreciate ANSWER, Karen.
 If prayer and cohesion do not work, unfortunately it looks like bigger wars, starvation, earthquakes might do it. See USGS for increasing size and depth of earthquakes  in Ring of Fire - moving to 6.5s (yet not corresponding release of pressure along U. S. Pacific coast). See website SOTT predicting large crop yield losses across the globe from this year and difficult growth next year from volcanic ash covering sun and unpredictable weather. Hate to be gloomy..being realistic while MSM distracts. 
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------ Original message------From: Karen Aram via PeaceDate: Wed, Aug 29, 2018 9:09 AMTo: peace;Cc: Subject:[Peace] Carl's posting related to alignment of "war and abortion"


Carl’s letter to the NG below is fine, it’s his opinion and he has a right to express his opinion , placing it on FB along with the Peace Discuss List, is also his right. However, when he places it on the AWARE FB page, where he represents the AWARE group,
 I must object. I now see why the group has failed to recruit new members, and has lost many from previous years, given its affiliation with anti-abortion issues, not just war, that along with the election of Obama, on the assumption he was a peace candidate.



Carl is right on target, when his focus is on anti-war, which is why I have always supported him and AWARE, but now he has taken AWARE to the “right,” along with his apologist attitude towards Trump, thus I recommend the ANSWER Coalition with
 their local group now in Champaign, for those interested in supporting the anti-war movement. 



Please see: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.N.S.W.E.R.




Please also see Carl’s letter on the AWARE FB page below:




"Anti-war and anti-abortion efforts belong together. The contemporary anti-war movement grows out of the appalling fact that the US government has killed more than 20 million people in almost 40 nations since World War II - and has done so to maintain the economic
 control of the world that the US inherited as the only largely undamaged major country after that war.

Abortion is the leading cause of death in the US today. An abortion obviously ends a human life; it ought to be opposed by all of us who say that our political views are that we’re
 “against anything that kills people or destroys the planet we live on."

But most of my friends who’ve had an abortion or seriously considered it have done so for economic reasons. Most of them privileged people, they have been unable to countenance the burdens, financial
 and personal, that would come with a(nother) child. That’s clearly even more the case for those who lack their privileges.
Those of us opposed to the destruction of human life - at home or abroad, before or after birth - must also be opposed to the circumstances that lead people to end unborn human lives. Medicare for all,
 child supports, free education, and a universal basic income must be insisted upon by those of us who are opposed to abortion and war.”

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 29 22:01:41 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 22:01:41 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Carl's posting related to alignment of "war and
	abortion"
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Sorry Anne, your statement :
"Carl is  correct in a strategic sense that the only way Americans MIGHT  join together right now while we still have a chance is if both sides gave a little on their "I will NEVER budge"  issues. A COMPROMISE, not full scale giving in”

 is not Carl, he will not budge, focusing only on war, and criticizing those of us who do take up other issues. Every rally, or protest that has been done in relation to labor, racism, people like Alan Dershowitz speaking at the U of I , the treatment of immigrants, “Sanctuary City of Urbana Revision,” he has criticized because it’s not related to war, and its organized by Democrats with whom he will not unite in common cause, or because its identity politics. He did finally attend a “Cost of War, panel discussion,” but wore me out attempting to convince him to do so.

Uniting people against war, requires we support other issues of concern, and he knows this well. I have been writing about this ad nauseum. You’ve missed a lot of conversations, being the newbie, the one new recruit to AWARE, along with James, though we have lost many more. The only issue he aligns the war movement with is “abortion” comparing it to "killing children with bombs.”

The dozens of people I have met in this town who were once active members of AWARE, left primarily for that reason. We have the same problem with the local Green Party as well.

Whatever ones personal views maybe on the abortion issue, they have no place on the AWARE FB page.

As to prayer, it can’t hurt, but to rely upon it only, well we have millions of people who had nothing else, and they have ended up dead.

I will participate in no further discussion on this topic, or on the Peace List .


On Aug 29, 2018, at 09:26, bjornsona--- via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Carl is  correct in a strategic sense that the only way Americans MIGHT  join together right now while we still have a chance is if both sides gave a little on their "I will NEVER budge"  issues. A COMPROMISE, not full scale giving in, is what we need. I have a friend who thinks this one issue has been a major cause of many of our woes because so many potential activists put blinders on to the rest of the atrocities happening in the world. Joining up is the only way we will get anywhere. I appreciate ANSWER, Karen.

 If prayer and cohesion do not work, unfortunately it looks like bigger wars, starvation, earthquakes might do it. See USGS for increasing size and depth of earthquakes  in Ring of Fire - moving to 6.5s (yet not corresponding release of pressure along U. S. Pacific coast). See web site SOTT predicting large crop yield losses across the globe from this year and difficult growth next year from volcanic ash covering sun and unpredictable weather. Hate to be gloomy..being realistic while MSM distracts.

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------ Original message------
From: Karen Aram via Peace
Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2018 9:09 AM
To: peace;
Cc:
Subject:[Peace] Carl's posting related to alignment of "war and abortion"


Carl’s letter to the NG below is fine, it’s his opinion and he has a right to express his opinion , placing it on FB along with the Peace Discuss List, is also his right. However, when he places it on the AWARE FB page, where he represents the AWARE group, I must object. I now see why the group has failed to recruit new members, and has lost many from previous years, given its affiliation with anti-abortion issues, not just war, that along with the election of Obama, on the assumption he was a peace candidate.

Carl is right on target, when his focus is on anti-war, which is why I have always supported him and AWARE, but now he has taken AWARE to the “right,” along with his apologist attitude towards Trump, thus I recommend the ANSWER Coalition with their local group now in Champaign, for those interested in supporting the anti-war movement.

Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.N.S.W.E.R.


Please also see Carl’s letter on the AWARE FB page below:


"Anti-war and anti-abortion efforts belong together. The contemporary anti-war movement grows out of the appalling fact that the US government has killed more than 20 million people in almost 40 nations since World War II - and has done so to maintain the economic control of the world that the US inherited as the only largely undamaged major country after that war.

Abortion is the leading cause of death in the US today. An abortion obviously ends a human life; it ought to be opposed by all of us who say that our political views are that we’re “against anything that kills people or destroys the planet we live on."

But most of my friends who’ve had an abortion or seriously considered it have done so for economic reasons. Most of them privileged people, they have been unable to countenance the burdens, financial and personal, that would come with a(nother) child. That’s clearly even more the case for those who lack their privileges.

Those of us opposed to the destruction of human life - at home or abroad, before or after birth - must also be opposed to the circumstances that lead people to end unborn human lives. Medicare for all, child supports, free education, and a universal basic income must be insisted upon by those of us who are opposed to abortion and war.”

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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 22:46:16 +0000
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] The Other Side of John McCain
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I watched the Blackstone podcast, the IP address is strange in that it is “VOA" in the middle. I hope thats not “Voice of America,” which is hardly credible.
We know Russia has warned the “western powers” against another fake chemical weapons attack on Syria, and people have been leaving Idlib, a most important area of Syria, in droves today as reported by alternative news.

It is a worrisome situation, with two great powers the US and Russia at military odds. Most of us are not surprised that the US hasn’t given up on Syria, they couldn’t achieve regime change so plan B is partition. If they can just control Idlib province ………

On Aug 28, 2018, at 15:25, bjornsona--- via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

With McCain barely gone, alternative news is reporting Russia has sent ships to Syrian waters, while the U. S., France & Britain have theirs on the way. According to alternative Blackstone Intelligence Report, 8/28/18, Russia is attempting to stop a  Western fake chemical weapons attack followed by a real offensive.
I have found Blackstone to be trustworthy over time.


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------ Original message------
From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
Date: Mon, Aug 27, 20 18 10:57 PM
To: Robert Naiman;
Cc: Peace Discuss;peace;
Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] The Other Side of John McCain

"Here is a piece that Cockburn and I wrote in 1999 about a psychiatric evaluation of McCain underwent while a prisoner of war in North Vietnam. The psych0logical portrait drawn by Spanish psychiatrist Fernando Barral is that of a deeply narcissistic personality, cold, hardened and largely devoid of human empathy, a man who seemed to view the bombing of civilian populations as a kind of sport. These aggressive personality traits have also characterized his nasty political career." –Jeffrey St. Clair

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/0 8/27/the-horrors-of-john-mccain-war-hero-or-war-criminal-2/<https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/08/27/the-horrors-of-john-mccain-war-hero-or-war-criminal-2/>


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org<mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>> wrote:


Here's our alert:

@SenSchumer:Don’t rename Senate office building for divisive war advocate John McCain
Don’t rename the Russell Senate office building for John McCain. John McCain divisively attacked Americans who oppose unconstitutional and endless wars. Paul Wellstone, who voted against the Iraq war, would be a more appropriate choice.
http s://petitions.moveon.org/sign/senschumer-dont-rename?r_by=1135580<https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/senschumer-dont-rename?r_by=1135580>

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On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 5:56 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
Consortium News

If the paeans to McCain by diverse political climbers seems detached from reality, it’s because they reflect the elite view of U.S. military interventions as a chess game, with the millions killed by unprovoked aggression mere statistics, says Max Blumenthal.

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/08/27/the-other-side-of-john-mccain/<http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=gWsMVorbKXHcEoieivJOv2NWX1VwKB8q>

While there, read other stories at https://consortiumnews.com/<http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=%2FWNyx7sUlSnauOv5Yl%2B9bWNWX1VwKB8q>, including:


Being Pro-Palestinian Doesn’t Make Jeremy Corbyn an Anti-Semite<http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=s3j%2BEZuKa8Yf1LqcvpsqZw2gcwaYuDhH> by As’ad AbuKhalil

The Limits of Elizabeth Warren<http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=1EATCThMWFDRHMGQF31Ue2NWX1VwKB8q> by Sam Husseini

Introducing: Consortium News on Flash Points, Our Second Radio Show<http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=%2FjJGS9LVh2X9HCyKCzp4l2NWX1VwKB8q>


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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 30 12:39:53 2018
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:39:53 +0000
Subject: [Peace] The latest on Syria, a very dangerous situation
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Russia gives US intel on planned chemical weapons provocation in Syria
Published time: 30 Aug, 2018 03:24Edited time: 30 Aug, 2018 09:45
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[Russia gives US intel on planned chemical weapons provocation in Syria]
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Moscow has briefed US diplomats on a plan by militants to stage a false flag chemical weapons attack in Syria's Idlib province meant to frame Damascus, the Russian ambassador in the US has said.

Anatoly Antonov, the Russian ambassador in Washington, confirmed to the media on Wednesday that he had met with the US special representative to Syria, James Jeffrey, and David M. Satterfield, acting assistant secretary of state for near eastern affairs.

The attendees of the rare meeting and the fact that it had taken place earlier this week was revealed by US State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert during a daily briefing.

Read more
[FILE PHOTO A US Air Force B-1B Lancer]Terrorists readying chemical attack to frame Damascus & provide pretext for US strikes – Russian MoD<https://www.rt.com/news/436812-syria-chemical-weapons-provocation/>

The meeting was called by Russia on Friday and held on Monday, August 27, Antonov said. He commended the US side for coming at such short notice, and described the meeting as "constructive and professional."

At the meeting, Russia officially conveyed its concerns over reports that Washington together with France and the UK is gearing up for another set of airstrikes in Syria under the pretext of a chemical attack, that would immediately be blamed on the Syrian government. Moscow has asked Washington to "provide the facts without delay" to substantiate the new allegations that Damascus uses chemical weapons against its own people.

Such rhetoric fanned by Washington may prompt militants and their "pseudo-humanitarian"organizations like the White Helmets to mount another provocation using chemical agents, Antonov warned.

Intelligence that Russia has gathered has been shared with the US, and the diplomats were told "in detail" about the provocation against civilians being prepared by Al-Nusra Front (now known as Tahrir al-Sham) in the northwestern province of Idlib.

Read more
[Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists in Syria. © Ammar Abdullah]Planned chemical weapon provocation in Idlib aimed to prevent removal of terrorists – Lavrov<https://www.rt.com/news/437136-idlib-provocation-lavrov-nusra/>

The Russian Defense Ministry reported earlier that Tahrir al-Sham was plotting a chemical attack that would then be misrepresented as another "atrocity" by the "Syrian regime." Eight canisters of chlorine have been delivered to a village near Jisr al-Shughur city, and a specially trained group of militants, prepped by the British security company Olive, also arrived in the area to imitate a rescue operation to save the civilian "victims." Militants plan to use child hostages in the staged incident, according to Antonov.

Moscow cautioned Washington against falling for this provocation, noting that a massive airstrike targeting Syria's military and civilian infrastructure will constitute another act of "groundless and illegal aggression" against Syria.

"A new escalation in Syria does not correspond to interests of any party. We believe that our concern will be heard," Antonov said, adding that he hopes the US "will take every effort to prevent terrorists from using toxic chemicals and will be acting responsibly, in accordance with the status of the UN Security Council permanent member."

President Trump's National Security Advisor John Bolton stated last week that the US "will respond very strongly" in case of a chemical attack by Damascus. The warning was interpreted by the Russian Defense Ministry as a veiled confirmation that the US has been considering an airstrike on Syria similar to the one it carried out in April, alongside France and the UK.



Unlike Damascus, militants have plenty to gain from a potential chemical attack in Idlib, former Pentagon official Michael Maloof told RT.

“They are not going to give up, they are not going to stop and try to negotiate any kind of peace, so it’s to their benefit to try and raise international sympathy that they have been the victim once again and try and turn this war in their favor,” he said.

There is little hope that the US will treat a potential false flag attack by hardline militants in any way differently than it did the chemical incident in the town of  Douma on April 7, 2018, Maloof added.

Back then, the US, France and the UK launched a series of strikes against multiple targets in Syria just seven days after reports that some 70 people were killed due to exposure to a highly toxic chemical agent, possibly sarin.

“If history is any precedent, they won’t bother. They did not investigate the last episode before they launched a missile attack into Syria and there’s no reason to suspect that they will this time either,” he said, adding that Washington will not hesitate to point the finger at Damascus and the Russian government.

“The whole idea is to embarrass Moscow and to intimidate Damascus,” he said.On Aug 29, 2018, at 15:46, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

I watched the Blackstone podcast, the IP address is strange in that it is “VOA" in the middle. I hope thats not “Voice of America,” which is hardly credible.
We know Russia has warned the “western powers” against another fake chemical weapons attack on Syria, and people have been leaving Idlib, a most important area of Syria, in droves today as reported by alternative news.

It is a worrisome situation, with two great powers the US and Russia at military odds. Most of us are not surprised that the US hasn’t given up on Syria, they couldn’t achieve regime change so plan B is partition. If they can just control Idlib province ………

On Aug 28, 2018, at 15:25, bjornsona--- via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

With McCain barely gone, alternative news is reporting Russia has sent ships to Syrian waters, while the U. S., France & Britain have theirs on the way. According to alternative Blackstone Intelligence Report, 8/28/18, Russia is attempting to stop a  Western fake chemical weapons attack followed by a real offensive.
I have found Blackstone to be trustworthy over time.


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------ Original message------
From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
Date: Mon, Aug 27, 20 18 10:57 PM
To: Robert Naiman;
Cc: Peace Discuss;peace;
Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] The Other Side of John McCain

"Here is a piece that Cockburn and I wrote in 1999 about a psychiatric evaluation of McCain underwent while a prisoner of war in North Vietnam. The psych0logical portrait drawn by Spanish psychiatrist Fernando Barral is that of a deeply narcissistic personality, cold, hardened and largely devoid of human empathy, a man who seemed to view the bombing of civilian populations as a kind of sport. These aggressive personality traits have also characterized his nasty political career." –Jeffrey St. Clair

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/0 8/27/the-horrors-of-john-mccain-war-hero-or-war-criminal-2/<https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/08/27/the-horrors-of-john-mccain-war-hero-or-war-criminal-2/>


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org<mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>> wrote:


Here's our alert:

@SenSchumer:Don’t rename Senate office building for divisive war advocate John McCain
Don’t rename the Russell Senate office building for John McCain. John McCain divisively attacked Americans who oppose unconstitutional and endless wars. Paul Wellstone, who voted against the Iraq war, would be a more appropriate choice.
http s://petitions.moveon.org/sign/senschumer-dont-rename?r_by=1135580<https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/senschumer-dont-rename?r_by=1135580>

===

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naiman at justforeignpolicy.org<mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 5:56 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
Consortium News

If the paeans to McCain by diverse political climbers seems detached from reality, it’s because they reflect the elite view of U.S. military interventions as a chess game, with the millions killed by unprovoked aggression mere statistics, says Max Blumenthal.

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/08/27/the-other-side-of-john-mccain/<http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=gWsMVorbKXHcEoieivJOv2NWX1VwKB8q>

While there, read other stories at https://consortiumnews.com/<http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=%2FWNyx7sUlSnauOv5Yl%2B9bWNWX1VwKB8q>, including:


Being Pro-Palestinian Doesn’t Make Jeremy Corbyn an Anti-Semite<http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=s3j%2BEZuKa8Yf1LqcvpsqZw2gcwaYuDhH> by As’ad AbuKhalil

The Limits of Elizabeth Warren<http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=1EATCThMWFDRHMGQF31Ue2NWX1VwKB8q> by Sam Husseini

Introducing: Consortium News on Flash Points, Our Second Radio Show<http://org.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=%2FjJGS9LVh2X9HCyKCzp4l2NWX1VwKB8q>


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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:55:27 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Carl's posting related to alignment of "war and
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Carl

Discussing issues in relation to “all is connected” is one thing, I give you credit for that, then continuously criticizing and attempting to discourage, those who take action on issues that are connected, is another. You do both.


On Aug 30, 2018, at 06:47, Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu<mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:

I have not in fact “focussed  only on war” - but instead frequently insisted on the ingenuous SDS maxim, “Everything is connected!” - e.g., economics, identity politics, and the source of the present abortion contretemps - the ending of human lives. We’ve often said, “Our political views are that we’re against anything that kills people or destroys the planet we live on." (Those who defend abortion contend that abortion doesn’t kill people.)

Obviously I haven’t hesitated to “take up other issues ... in relation to labor, racism, people like Alan Dershowitz speaking at the U of I, the treatment of immigrants, ‘Sanctuary City of Urbana Revision,’ Democrats, identity politics, ‘Cost of War,’” etc., as Karen charges. Other members of AWARE have been a bit reluctant to discuss these matters on our public TV program, ‘AWARE on the Air’ - originally designed as an open forum to publicize them locally.

Of course it’s right that “Uniting people against war, requires we support other issues of concern,” but the proper course on those issues - and even on opposing the war - is not immediately obvious and requires discussion. (E.g., Is antifa right? Is it even antiwar?) - especially now, when there is a concentrated attempt by the US political establishment to distract the anti-war movement with false “other issues of concern” (notably, Is Trump Putin’s puppet? Did Russia “meddle” in the US election?)  There is a need to break through the disingenuous accounts - the worst I’ve ever seen - presented by MSM, the greatest propaganda system in history.

AWARE from its beginning, almost two decades ago, was meant to be common ground for C-U to discuss questions about US war that were not perspicuous and to act locally on US war-making. It’s not clear to me how AWARE censors of email and social media are pursuing the interests of the anti-war movement.

--CGE

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To: bjornsona at ameritech.net<mailto:bjornsona at ameritech.net>
Cc: Karen Aram via Peace
Subject: Re: [Peace] Carl's posting related to alignment of "war and abortion"

Sorry Anne, your statement :
"Carl is  correct in a strategic sense that the only way Americans MIGHT  join together right now while we still have a chance is if both sides gave a little on their "I will NEVER budge"  issues. A COMPROMISE, not full scale giving in”

 is not Carl, he will not budge, focusing only on war, and criticizing those of us who do take up other issues. Every rally, or protest that has been done in relation to labor, racism, people like Alan Dershowitz speaking at the U of I , the treatment of immigrants, “Sanctuary City of Urbana Revision,” he has criticized because it’s not related to war, and its organized by Democrats with whom he will not unite in common cause, or because its identity politics. He did finally attend a “Cost of War, panel discussion,” but wore me out attempting to convince him to do so.

Uniting people against war, requires we support other issues of concern, and he knows this well. I have been writing about this ad nauseum. You’ve missed a lot of conversations, being the newbie, the one new recruit to AWARE, along with James, though we have lost many more. The only issue he aligns the war movement with is “abortion” comparing it to "killing children with bombs.”

The dozens of people I have met in this town who were once active members of AWARE, left primarily for that reason. We have the same problem with the local Green Party as well.

Whatever ones personal views maybe on the abortion issue, they have no place on the AWARE FB page.

As to prayer, it can’t hurt, but to rely upon it only, well we have millions of people who had nothing else, and they have ended up dead.

I will participate in no further discussion on this topic, or on the Peace List .


On Aug 29, 2018, at 09:26, bjornsona--- via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Carl is  correct in a strategic sense that the only way Americans MIGHT  join together right now while we still have a chance is if both sides gave a little on their "I will NEVER budge"  issues. A COMPROMISE, not full scale giving in, is what we need. I have a friend who thinks this one issue has been a major cause of many of our woes because so many potential activists put blinders on to the rest of the atrocities happening in the world. Joining up is the only way we will get anywhere. I appreciate ANSWER, Karen.

 If prayer and cohesion do not work, unfortunately it looks like bigger wars, starvation, earthquakes might do it. See USGS for increasing size and depth of earthquakes  in Ring of Fire - moving to 6.5s (yet not corresponding release of pressure along U. S. Pacific coast). See web site SOTT predicting large crop yield losses across the globe from this year and difficult growth next year from volcanic ash covering sun and unpredictable weather. Hate to be gloomy..being realistic while MSM distracts.

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From: Karen Aram via Peace
Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2018 9:09 AM
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Subject:[Peace] Carl's posting related to alignment of "war and abortion"


Carl’s letter to the NG below is fine, it’s his opinion and he has a right to express his opinion , placing it on FB along with the Peace Discuss List, is also his right. However, when he places it on the AWARE FB page, where he represents the AWARE group, I must object. I now see why the group has failed to recruit new members, and has lost many from previous years, given its affiliation with anti-abortion issues, not just war, that along with the election of Obama, on the assumption he was a peace candidate.

Carl is right on target, when his focus is on anti-war, which is why I have always supported him and AWARE, but now he has taken AWARE to the “right,” along with his apologist attitude towards Trump, thus I recommend the ANSWER Coalition with their local group now in Champaign, for those interested in supporting the anti-war movement.

Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.N.S.W.E.R.


Please also see Carl’s letter on the AWARE FB page below:


"Anti-war and anti-abortion efforts belong together. The contemporary anti-war movement grows out of the appalling fact that the US government has killed more than 20 million people in almost 40 nations since World War II - and has done so to maintain the economic control of the world that the US inherited as the only largely undamaged major country after that war.

Abortion is the leading cause of death in the US today. An abortion obviously ends a human life; it ought to be opposed by all of us who say that our political views are that we’re “against anything that kills people or destroys the planet we live on."

But most of my friends who’ve had an abortion or seriously considered it have done so for economic reasons. Most of them privileged people, they have been unable to countenance the burdens, financial and personal, that would come with a(nother) child. That’s clearly even more the case for those who lack their privileges.

Those of us opposed to the destruction of human life - at home or abroad, before or after birth - must also be opposed to the circumstances that lead people to end unborn human lives. Medicare for all, child supports, free education, and a universal basic income must be insisted upon by those of us who are opposed to abortion and war.”

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 30 20:30:57 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 20:30:57 +0000
Subject: [Peace] From the U of I: Obama will be here to receive an award in
 "ethics, " for expanding the Bush wars from 2 to 8?
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Dear faculty and staff:

It is our pleasure to share the news that former President Barack Obama will accept the 2018 Paul H. Douglas Award for Ethics in Government from the U of I System’s Institute of Government and Public Affairs (IGPA) on Friday, September 7.

The Douglas Award, which will be presented during an appearance on the Urbana-Champaign university campus, is given annually to public officials who have dedicated their careers to the highest ideals of ethics, fair play and service to country.

President Obama also will speak at 11 a.m. at the historic Foellinger Auditorium on the Main Quad at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. The student-focused speech will address students from across the U of I System. Students will receive information on how they can sign up for a chance to attend.

It also will be available to all via livestream at go.illinois.edu/live<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__go.illinois.edu_live&d=DwMCaQ&c=Y6HT0gyZH_Z4ZSRJdNYJeQ&r=jKhdakpned0dNJ7Ah10cpmFkTkdM8E_nIZcwXa0qj8I&m=Qii0GirmxYiMaQf-og_EKKEPrwD9X0LlEQN44DCKcOQ&s=ld63XhBKRErFFH2rwUO9YKqCAREU9CJCeizJl_sLN4k&e=>. The livestream of this speech has been designated as an approved event for non-exempt civil service employees. These employees may view the livestream without taking benefit time, operations permitting and with prior supervisory approval.

More on President Obama’s award and his speech are available in this news release.<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__emails.illinois.edu_newsletter_182462.html&d=DwMCaQ&c=Y6HT0gyZH_Z4ZSRJdNYJeQ&r=jKhdakpned0dNJ7Ah10cpmFkTkdM8E_nIZcwXa0qj8I&m=Qii0GirmxYiMaQf-og_EKKEPrwD9X0LlEQN44DCKcOQ&s=AiY3773yMQj5dGotD5LakrvIuTTtsKdeC9oNfnpAvEg&e=>

It is an honor to host the former president, and we are grateful for his commitment to our nation and its youth – a goal that has been deeply ingrained in the U of I System’s core mission since our land-grant founding.

Sincerely,

Tim Killeen, President, University of Illinois System
Barbara J. Wilson, Executive Vice President and Vice President of Academic Affairs, University of Illinois System
Robert J. Jones, Chancellor, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Jon S. Davis, Interim Director, Institute of Government and Public Affairs















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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 30 21:56:16 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 21:56:16 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Book
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By Prof. Francis Boyle

Subject: Obama Is A Disaster! – Countercurrents

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Obama Is A Disaster! – Countercurrents<https://countercurrents.org/2017/01/11/obama-is-a-disaster/>
My book “Tackling America’s Toughest Questions” (Clarity Press: 2009) set forth a comprehensive analysis and critique of all the hideous atrocities President Bush Jr et al inflicted upon international law, human rights law, the U.S. Constitution, and innocent human beings, especially Third World People of Color, starting from when Bush Jr et al. stole the U.S. Presidency from the American[Read More...]


https://countercurrents.org/2017/01/11/obama-is-a-disaster/
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From kmedina67 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 31 19:57:26 2018
From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 14:57:26 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Kankakee county jail ICE detention center / invitation to
 anti-detention rally Sat. Sept. 1, 1pm.
Message-ID: <CA+0uwiY=UO5hSEM4fYKF=AicFL_JiqrjQNFezepY7SE3wM8Twg@mail.gmail.com>

Let's go to the anti-Immigration(and)CustomsEnforcement demonstration
in Kankakee, Illinois. This event is very important because Kankakee
County’s Jerome Combs Detention Center houses on average 150 ICE
detainees per day!
! The Kankakee Sheriff wants to expand 32,000 additional square feet
AND improve the Kankakee airport to expedite deportations. Kankakee is
not the only ICE detention center in Illinois, but groups in Kankakee
are taking a stand and have invited us to join them !

Shoes will be displayed to symbolize those we have lost through
deportations. Bring a pair of shoes (or two) to donate.  (After the
event, shoes will be gifted to the Interfaith Community for Detained
Immigrants and the Salvation Army).

Distance: 83 miles one way,
Time: 1 hour 20 minutes
Route: I-57
Rally start time: 1pm
Public transportation:
* The Greyhound bus does not go there Saturday, September 1st.
* The train does go.

Rally to end ICE detention and expansion in Kankakee County.
One less: Who will fill these shoes?
https://www.facebook.com/events/369039113628227

Stand up
-- karen medina
"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." - Mark Twain

From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 23:56:20 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:56:20 -0500
Subject: [Peace] AWARE on the Air, 28 August
Message-ID: <3180E040-A9C9-43B0-AEAB-A6F5D5F66819@gmail.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kT3IfpyeCM <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kT3IfpyeCM>

Theme: Russiagate against Trump and antisemitism against Corbyn are parallel attempts by US and UK political establishments to continue their war provocations, which Trump and Corbyn have criticized; but it’s economics that promoted both of them.

1. “Be Careful What You Ask For: Wasting Time with Manafort, Cohen, and Russiagate” 
<https://www.counterpunch.org/…/be-careful-what-you-ask-for…/>
2. “Corbyn’s Labour is Being Made to Fail – by Design” 
<https://www.jonathan-cook.net/…/…/corbyn-labour-fail-design/>
3. “Becoming Serfs”
<https://www.truthdig.com/articles/becoming-serfs/>

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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Fri Aug 31 02:37:01 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 21:37:01 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Flyer
Message-ID: <E2233602-F997-40C9-89C6-56704984F121@gmail.com>

[Flyer for the AWARE anti-war demonstration in downtown Champaign (Main & Neil Sts.), 2-4pm on Saturday, September 1, 2018]

SEPTEMBER 1, 2018 ~ THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
IS MAKING WAR AROUND THE WORLD

...the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade:
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright 
And darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives;
The unmentionable odor of death
Offends the September night.

...I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.

...The enlightenment driven away,
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again.

Into this neutral air
Where blind skyscrapers use
Their full height to proclaim
The strength of Collective Man,
Each language pours its vain
Competitive excuse:
But who can live for long
In an euphoric dream;
Out of the mirror they stare,
Imperialism’s face
And the international wrong.

...All the conventions conspire 
To make this fort assume
The furniture of home;
Lest we should see where we are,
Lost in a haunted wood,
Children afraid of the night
Who have never been happy or good...

--from ‘September 1, 1939’ by W. H. Auden (1907-73). Announcing, “We are finally shooting back,” Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939, and World War II in Europe began. 
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Imperialism’s face and the international wrong today are the wars the U.S. is waging around the world, and its war provocations against Russia and China that risk a wider - even nuclear - war. 
~ Although most Americans are not aware of it, the U.S. government is today waging war - and killing people - in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen - principally to control the flow of oil out of the Mideast and North Africa, which the US uses as a weapon against its economic rivals from Germany to China.
~ The ongoing drone assassination program - called by Noam Chomsky “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times' - has killed thousands (most not the presumed targets), including American citizens and hundreds of children.
~ More than a quarter of a million US troops are stationed in a thousand US bases on foreign soil, most of them surrounding Russia and China.
~ The 70,000-members of the U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ are active in 75% of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping (‘rendition’), torture, and murder.

The rest of the world recognizes that the U.S. today is what Martin Luther King called it long ago, the “greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.”

With other peace groups around the world, we call upon President Trump and the U.S. government to close all foreign military bases, bring all U.S. troops (and weapons) home, and provide social supports - including free medical care, education, and a universal basic income - for Americans, who have been immiserated by generations of U.S. government wars.

AWARE, the ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at <AWARE of Champaign-Urbana Illinois>


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