[Peace] [Peace-discuss] Trump torpedoes Iran nuclear accord

Wed May 9 21:43:08 UTC 2018

"It's a breath mint!"

"It's a candy mint!"

"It's a BREATH mint!!"

"It's a CANDY mint!!"

STOP!!  You're BOTH right!!!

Lets just burn down this whole rotten system and start over, like we did in
the '60's!!!!!

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 4:31 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Mort, et al
>
> I think your statement that David and Carl, “let Israel off the hook too
> easily is a bit unfair," given I have been following them on NFN for years,
> and accompanied Carl and others on AWARE as well. I think the point is that
> it’s the US who is responsible, this is an important distinction to make
> given so many people constantly blame others, especially Israel, for
> everything. Stay on FB, and it will become quite apparent.
>
> Your statement "*Nevertheless, the virtual unanimity in Congress with
> whatever Israel proposes is further evidence of the toxic influence of
> Zionists, their lobbying and money, on U.S. foreign policy. There seems to
> be inadequate counterweight offsetting their pressures, given the mentality
> of the Trump administration.”* is quite accurate, and no one is denying
> the power of the lobbying group AIPAC.
>
> My point is “no ones hands are tied, everyone has free will, one can
> always resign when being pressured to do that which is illegal or just
> distasteful, what a message that sends.  Unfortunately our Representatives
> are motivated only by self interest therefore they will support anyone, who
> makes it worth their while. We know where Trump’s sympathies lie, just
> viewing  the most awful people he has appointed to positions of power. And,
> many of these same people were his advisors before he was elected.
>
> My point is, when we blame others for that which we are responsible, we
> lesson opposition. The focus must be on what the USG is doing, no matter
> who we are influenced by, no matter who is in power. Most Americans are
> confused and focused on “getting rid of Trump,” which I think we all agree,
> will solve nothing, then we have Pence, then we have the Speaker of the
> House, then the next election we have another Democrat. One can say Obama,
> brought about peace with the Nuclear Accord, but choking that down with the
> destruction of Libya and his expansion of the Bush wars from two to eight,
> does us absolutely not good.
>
> I like the WSWS.ORG <http://wsws.org> position which is “we need to
> change our whole damn system."
>
> *See More* from Karen Aram
>
> On May 9, 2018, at 12:22, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
> Given all this ratiocination, i remain with the strong impression e.g.
> from their recent NfN program, that Carl and David let Israel off the hook
> too easily in its pushing for wars in Syria and Iran by the U.S.. Yes, of
> course there are others—weapons makers, Saudis, etc—, also pushing for
> these wars. Nevertheless, the virtual unanimity in Congress with whatever
> Israel proposes is further evidence of the toxic influence of Zionists,
> their lobbying and money, on U.S. foreign policy. There seems to be
> inadequate counterweight offsetting their pressures, given the mentality of
> the Trump administration.
>
> On May 9, 2018, at 8:43 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> Carl
>
> Stop with the “Trump Administration” being manipulated by Israel.” This is
> where your credibility comes into question.
>
>
> On May 9, 2018, at 06:03, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
> Israel is pushing the U.S. to go to war with Iran. We shouldn’t let it
> happen.
>
> Fifteen years ago the U.S. government attacked Iraq and killed a million
> people - on the basis of lies that Iraq had dangerous “weapons of mass
> destruction.”
>
> During the presidential campaign, Donald Trump talked of his opposition to
> the attack on Iraq:
>
> “Look at the war in Iraq and the mess that we’re in. I would never have
> handled it that way ... What was the purpose of this whole thing? Hundreds
> and hundreds of young people killed. And what about the people coming back
> with no arms and legs? Not to mention the other side. All those Iraqi kids
> who’ve been blown to pieces. And it turns out that all of the reasons for
> the war were blatantly wrong. All this for nothing!”
>
> A principal instigator of that shameful US war against Iraq was the
> government of Israel, who wished to remove Iraq as a regional rival in the
> Middle East.
>
> Now Israel is trying to repeat that crime, urging the US to attack and
> kill Iranians.
>
> But the US is part of a deal with Iran and six other countries that
> guarantees that Iran will not develop even one nuclear weapon. (The US has
> thousands; Israel has at least two hundred.)
>
> The ‘Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action,’ known as the Iran nuclear deal,
> is an international agreement reached in Vienna in 2015 between Iran and
> the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council
> (China, France, Russia, Britain and the US), plus Germany and the European
> Union.
>
> President Trump has announced he will violate the agreement and ‘withdraw’
> from the deal. The Israeli government cheers, because they want the US to
> attack Iran, for their benefit.
>
> (Aaron Maté writes, “Trump cited Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's bogus
> speech from last week. Without doubt this effort is coordinated. Will any
> Democrats call for an investigation of this Trump collusion with a foreign
> power [like ‘Russiagate’]?”)
>
> In order to get its war on, Israel has attacked Iranian troops in Syria
> (who are there legally, unlike US troops) -- including a bombing last week
> that registered as a 2.6 earthquake on seismographs. An Israeli
> government advisor has all but admitted that killing Iranians in Syria is
> designed to provoke an open war with Iran. Meanwhile, Israeli snipers kill
> peaceful protesters in Gaza, including children and journalists.
>
> We should not let the Trump administration be manipulated into war. The
> president and our Congressional representatives should be urged to remember
> the lessons of Iraq and not attack Iran - among other things a
> more populous and better armed country, with powerful allies, notably
> Russia and China. War with Iran risks a much larger war - even a nuclear
> war.
>
> The largest anti-war demonstrations in history occurred around the world
> before the US attacked Iraq. As Americans we must do even more to prevent
> this new criminal war.
>
> If the US and Israel attack Iran, there should be general work stoppages -
> strikes - and street demonstrations across the US.
>
> In the meantime, write the president and our Congressional representatives
> -  Representative Rodney Davis, Senator Tammy Duckworth, and Senator Dick
> Durbin.
>
> —CGE
>
> On May 9, 2018, at 7:57 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>
> wrote:
>
> Trump torpedoes Iran nuclear accord
> 9 May 2018
> US President Donald Trump announced yesterday that America has withdrawn
> from the Iran nuclear accord, is reimposing crippling economic sanctions on
> Iran, and will soon add further unspecified sanctions.
> In doing so, Trump ignored warnings from Washington’s closest European
> allies and cosignatories of the nuclear accord—Britain, France and
> Germany—that such action risks plunging the Middle East into all-out war.
> Whilst provocative and incendiary, yesterday’s announcement is not in the
> least surprising.
> As the World Socialist Web Site warned in a perspective published in April
> 2015 in response to the announcement that Iran and the great powers had
> reached the “framework” for a nuclear accord: “In a broader historical
> sense, the deal is not worth the paper it is written on. If and when it is
> expedient, the US will shred the agreement, as has happened many times in
> the past. The Libyan regime of Muammar Gaddafi cut a deal in 2003 to give
> up its WMD [Weapons of Mass Destruction] programs only to find itself the
> target of a NATO-led war for regime-change in 2011. Amid its own economic
> decline, US imperialism will stop at nothing in its reckless drive for
> global domination at the expense of its major rivals.”
> Changing what needs to be changed, there are striking and instructive
> parallels between imperialist diplomacy in the 1930s and today. In the
> run-up to World War II, all sorts of diplomatic agreements were signed,
> only to be shredded soon after, with the Nazi regime leading the wolf pack.
> In this, Trump is only more brazen and thuggish than his White House
> predecessors.
> His speech was a rant. The wars the US has waged, fomented, and aided and
> abetted in the greater Middle East over the course of the past
> quarter-century have blown up complex societies, from Afghanistan and Iraq
> to Libya, Syria and Yemen. Yet the billionaire, fascist-minded demagogue
> accused Iran of being “the world’s leading state sponsor of state
> terrorism,” whose “malign” and “sinister” activities have caused “havoc” in
> the Middle East.
> The International Atomic Energy Agency, which has subjected Iran’s nuclear
> program to the most intrusive inspection regime in history, all the other
> signatories of the Iran accord, US Defense Secretary James Mattis and other
> top members of the Trump administration all state categorically that Iran
> has fulfilled all its obligations under the Iran deal to the letter and has
> not had any nuclear-weapons program for at least a decade and a half. Yet
> Trump claimed Iran is on the cusp of threatening the US with nuclear-armed
> ballistic missiles.
> As proof for these lies, he pointed to the April 30 show-and-tell
> presentation of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, which was panned
> by the European Union and all but the most right-wing Western media outlets
> as hype and lies. The New York Times, which is an expert at war propaganda,
> deception and forgery, felt professionally affronted that Washington was
> associating itself with so crude a performance, headlining its editorial
> response “Netanyahu’s Flimflam on Iran.”
> Near the end of his speech Trump underscored—using language akin to that
> of a mafia don touting an “offer you can’t refuse”—that Washington has
> embarked on an escalating campaign of economic, diplomatic and
> military pressure aimed at reimposing on the Iranian people the type of
> neocolonial subjugation that prevailed under the savage US-backed
> dictatorship of the Shah.
> First he sung a paean to the Shah, claiming that prior to the 1979
> Revolution Iran “commanded the respect of the world.” Then he declared
> Iran’s leaders will reject Washington’s demands for a “new” US-dictated
> “deal,” adding, “I’d probably say the same thing if I was in their
> position. But the fact is, they are going to want to make a new and lasting
> deal.”
> Trump made a brief reference to North Korea in his statement, immediately
> after boasting that by blowing up the Iran deal he had demonstrated “The
> United States no longer makes empty threats.”
> Whatever the immediate outcome of the planned talks between Trump and
> North Korean leader Kim Jung-un, the US repudiation of the Iran deal makes
> clear that the Korean Peninsula “peace talks” are a tactical maneuver aimed
> at facilitating US imperialist violence and banditry. Should a deal be
> reached, it will only be to free America’s hands for confrontations with
> its more substantial adversaries. If and when US strategic
> priorities change, or circumstances allow, Washington will invoke the most
> flimsy and contrived pretext to jettison a Korean denuclearization
> agreement.
> The Democrats and wide sections of the US military-intelligence
> establishment have, it should be noted, decried Trump’s turn to
> negotiations with Pyongyang and more or less announced that they would
> repudiate any deal he signs with the North Korean regime.
> No doubt the European imperialist powers are angered and shaken by Trump’s
> indifference to their counsels. French Prime Minister Emanuel Macron and
> German Chancellor Angela Merkel both came to Washington in late April to
> personally plea for Trump not to jettison the Iran deal. On Monday, it was
> British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson’s turn, although he only had
> audiences with Vice-President Pence and Secretary of State Pompeo.
> Once again US imperialism has brushed aside the concerns of its ostensible
> European allies in the naked pursuit of its own interests. Whatever is said
> in public statements, relations between the imperialist powers are ever
> more venomous as each pursues its own interests under conditions of
> economic crisis and ever-intensifying geopolitical and commercial rivalry.
> The history of the last century demonstrated that the imperialist
> appetites of the British, French and German ruling elites are no less
> voracious than those of the capitalist rulers of America.
> If they have sought to dissuade Trump from jettisoning the Iran deal it is
> only because this would cut across their attempts to exploit Iran
> economically, and because they fear the destabilizing impact of a war with
> Iran, including soaring oil prices and a further mass influx of refugees.
> In their vain attempt to convince Trump to remain in the deal, the
> Europeans joined with him in making a whole series of fresh demands on
> Teheran, including for drastic limits to its ballistic-missile program, and
> pledged their steadfast support for Israel—thus encouraging both Trump and
> Netanyahu to proceed with their offensive against Iran.
> This points to another of the chief concerns of the European imperialists,
> which underscores that their intentions are no less belligerent. Along with
> the Democratic Party and much of the US military-intelligence apparatus,
> they have been arguing that the best strategy for bringing Iran to heel,
> and integrating that campaign with NATO’s military-strategic offensive
> against Russia, is to concentrate on prosecuting the war for regime change
> in Syria. As was frankly admitted by political leaders and the capitalist
> media in the run-up to last month’s US-French-British airstrikes on Syria,
> this alternate imperialist strategy could rapidly result in direct military
> clashes between US and Russian forces, with all that entails.
> Washington’s trashing of the nuclear deal constitutes an immense crisis
> and devastating exposure of Iran’s bourgeois nationalist regime. Terrified
> of the growing class contradictions in Iran, the Islamic
> Republic’s bourgeois-clerical regime placed its hopes in a rapprochement
> with US imperialism and Barack Obama’s phony promises of a new US Mideast
> foreign policy. No matter that it was under Obama that the US attacked
> Libya, launched a similar regime-change operation in Syria and supported
> the military in restoring its bloody grip over Egypt.
> Since Trump, an avowed opponent of the Iran deal from its inception, came
> to office, Teheran has desperately appealed to the Europeans to shield them
> from America’s wrath. Meanwhile, in line with these efforts to ingratiate
> itself with the imperialists and woo investment, the Iranian bourgeoisie
> has pressed forward with its anti-working-class austerity policies.
> In response to Trump’s announcement, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani and
> the Europeans announced that they intend to stay in the nuclear deal. In
> doing so, Rouhani is clutching at straws.
> Keith Jones
> WSWS.ORG <http://wsws.org>
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