From karenaram at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  2 15:30:50 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 15:30:50 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Worthwhile talk/discussion by Ralph Nader
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxc_kYmPTE
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  2 15:30:50 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 15:30:50 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Worthwhile talk/discussion by Ralph Nader
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxc_kYmPTE
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Tue Oct  2 18:59:20 2018
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 18:59:20 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Worthwhile talk/discussion by Ralph Nader
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Yes, well worth while, impressive, although he seemed to miss the main boat on the topic of whistleblowers, not mentioning, or alluding to, Assange and Manning.
Thanks for the link.



On Oct 2, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxc_kYmPTE
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Tue Oct  2 18:59:20 2018
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 18:59:20 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Worthwhile talk/discussion by Ralph Nader
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Yes, well worth while, impressive, although he seemed to miss the main boat on the topic of whistleblowers, not mentioning, or alluding to, Assange and Manning.
Thanks for the link.



On Oct 2, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxc_kYmPTE
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Wed Oct  3 03:13:36 2018
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 03:13:36 +0000
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Scahill interviews Chomsky
In-Reply-To: <5F73336E-4E2F-4488-AE44-195EB3D0D134@illinois.edu>
References: <5F73336E-4E2F-4488-AE44-195EB3D0D134@illinois.edu>
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Chomsky as usual, imposing but also dubious in statements about Bashir al Assad ["a horrible war criminal”], and Putin ["not a nice guy. I would not like to have dinner with him…”].

 It would be useful to know the basis on which he makes these statements. He has made them before and to my mind has partly justified American actions in Syria, actions which have created the chaos that exists there.. He then explicitly advocates American troops remaining there. The above gratuitous remarks reinforce the justification of American imperialism by the media.

By the way, a very good article is to be found about Seymour Hersh by Jackson Lears, which has some relevance to Chomsky's reflections: https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n18/jackson-lears/i-figured-what-the-heck

—mkb



On Oct 1, 2018, at 10:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:


AMERICAN DISSIDENT: NOAM CHOMSKY ON THE STATE OF THE EMPIRE
by Jeremy Scahill | Intercepted | September 26, 2018

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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 17:08:07 2018
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 12:08:07 -0500
Subject: [Peace] No Mosaic making today!
Message-ID: <CAKfUjSEbGz+h9=Jigf1vRqdGJun7Pj-m2CkHACPBPd92EN3N0g@mail.gmail.com>

--

Hi friends---there is no mosaic making today. You might have received an
email from me
sending this is national mosaic making day---but this is an email I sent
last Sunday.
Sorry.

By the way, last Sunday was fantastic---115 people showed up, with 12
mosaic teachers, and 43 new mosaics made. Yeow! And we needed only one
bandaid !

We'll continue to offer free neighborhood art making projects, and will let
you know when!
*Susan Parenti*
*Educational Coordinator *

*The School for Designing a Society *www.designingasociety.net

*Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!*
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  3 18:08:27 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 18:08:27 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Excellent discussion related to Syria,
 China and the Uigar situation by Mark Sleboda on the Duran
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6R5d0VKQF4

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  3 18:14:35 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 18:14:35 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd:  Excellent discussion related to Syria,
 China and the Uyghur situation by Mark Sleboda on the Duran
References: <MWHPR08MB23826D016C644BD06A2E6396A3E90@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
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> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6R5d0VKQF4
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  3 18:16:19 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 18:16:19 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Excellent discussion related to Syria,
 China and the Uyghur situation by Mark Sleboda on the Duran
References: <8F1035C5-6B56-4671-BB85-FED4717F5DA9@hotmail.com>
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> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6R5d0VKQF4


From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  3 21:17:21 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 21:17:21 +0000
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Scahill interviews Chomsky
In-Reply-To: <5735E95E-798C-4500-B829-C4E1A2C04E1A@illinois.edu>
References: <5F73336E-4E2F-4488-AE44-195EB3D0D134@illinois.edu>
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What is the definition of “war criminal,” is it someone who commits war crimes during battle, not following the US Pentagon manual on “Rules of Engagement?” They were “rewritten and updated” in 2015 allowing all manner of that which goes against the Geneva Convention.

Does one deserve the title of “war criminal” when defending their sovereign nation, from foreign intervention, bombings, destruction and occupation?

I’m not looking for a “legal definition of “war criminal" necessarily. I consider a “war criminal” one who attacks a sovereign nation, uses drones, chemical weapons, conventional weapons, bombs, etc. in an attempt to occupy.

When was the last time Syria, under the Assad Administration, invaded a sovereign nation?

Is Assad any more ruthless and awful than Saddam was?  Than Netanyahu, the leaders of the SKA, UAE, UK, France, Germany etc ?

Does the use of “imprisonment and torture” of ones own people, lend the title of “war criminal” to a leader?

Those defined as “war criminals” were executed at Nuremberg, so it is a term that should not be applied lightly.

I know a lot of people I don’t consider “nice” and in my lifetime, have turned down for dinner, so I don’t consider that an egregious term when applied to a nation’s leader. Especially the leader of a nation, surrounded by Nato, with no good intentions whatsoever.



On Oct 2, 2018, at 20:13, Brussel, Morton K via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Chomsky as usual, imposing but also dubious in statements about Bashir al Assad ["a horrible war criminal”], and Putin ["not a nice guy. I would not like to have dinner with him…”].

 It would be useful to know the basis on which he makes these statements. He has made them before and to my mind has partly justified American actions in Syria, actions which have created the chaos that exists there.. He then explicitly advocates American troops remaining there. The above gratuitous remarks reinforce the justification of American imperialism by the media.

By the way, a very good article is to be found about Seymour Hersh by Jackson Lears, which has some relevance to Chomsky's reflections: https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n18/jackson-lears/i-figured-what-the-heck

—mkb



On Oct 1, 2018, at 10:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:


AMERICAN DISSIDENT: NOAM CHOMSKY ON THE STATE OF THE EMPIRE
by Jeremy Scahill | Intercepted | September 26, 2018

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From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 22:48:39 2018
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2018 17:48:39 -0500
Subject: [Peace] AWARE demo - Saturday, 2-4pm - let's end US war on Yemen
Message-ID: <e8931d37-1a79-2a26-c14f-2dbfcd03da4d@gmail.com>

Tomorrow is the first Saturday of the month, and AWARE has our monthly
anti-war demonstration, 2-4pm, corner of Main and Neil in downtown
Champaign.

Karen and I suggest that this demo be a call for the US to end its
support for the war on Yemen and to insist that Saudi Arabia and the UAE
likewise cease their participation.

Just Foreign Policy and others have been urging us to call our Senators,
and now also our US Rep., to support War Powers Resolution bills which
would require a full-up Congressional vote on use of US military force
there:

    
https://www.change.org/p/senate-invoke-war-powers-to-stop-saudi-from-starving-yemeni-kids/

    
https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-vote-on-saudi-war?source=c.em&r_by=1135580

Unless someone else has a flyer about this, Karen and/or Stuart will aim
to make one - that at least urges people to call our Senators and Rep.
Davis.   Davis won't likely listen, but he may be uneasy about losing
his seat, so who knows.
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 15:17:42 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 10:17:42 -0500
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss]  AWARE demo - Saturday,
 2-4pm - let's end US war on Yemen
In-Reply-To: <B327AA62-6863-4310-A402-E2916A7903BF@illinois.edu>
References: <e8931d37-1a79-2a26-c14f-2dbfcd03da4d@gmail.com>
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I will be happy to print some off at my home. A half-page flyer, whether
single or double sided, works best I think.

On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:04 PM Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Happy to have you all make up a flyer. David has offered to make copies,
> if you send it to him.
>
> See you at Main & Neil (altho’ rain is predicted). —CGE
>
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2018, at 5:48 PM, Stuart Levy via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> Tomorrow is the first Saturday of the month, and AWARE has our monthly
> anti-war demonstration, 2-4pm, corner of Main and Neil in downtown
> Champaign.
>
> Karen and I suggest that this demo be a call for the US to end its support
> for the war on Yemen and to insist that Saudi Arabia and the UAE likewise
> cease their participation.
>
> Just Foreign Policy and others have been urging us to call our Senators,
> and now also our US Rep., to support War Powers Resolution bills which
> would require a full-up Congressional vote on use of US military force
> there:
>
>
> https://www.change.org/p/senate-invoke-war-powers-to-stop-saudi-from-starving-yemeni-kids/
>
>
> https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-vote-on-saudi-war?source=c.em&r_by=1135580
>
> Unless someone else has a flyer about this, Karen and/or Stuart will aim
> to make one - that at least urges people to call our Senators and Rep.
> Davis.   Davis won't likely listen, but he may be uneasy about losing his
> seat, so who knows.
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From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 17:57:15 2018
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 12:57:15 -0500
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss]  AWARE demo - Saturday,
 2-4pm - let's end US war on Yemen
In-Reply-To: <CAOiGAyFNW+ZcCfDoeHMiyeVFh8dunMrg-nLqMUH439sqWuo1gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8931d37-1a79-2a26-c14f-2dbfcd03da4d@gmail.com>
 <B327AA62-6863-4310-A402-E2916A7903BF@illinois.edu>
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Message-ID: <0523de63-930e-fee1-f11b-2accd6b4775c@gmail.com>

Though I wasn't able to fit this on two sides of a single page flyer, it
did fit on one side of a full sheet.

I've printed a bunch of these and will bring them.    Karen M. is making
some new signs and so am I.

Attached is a copy of the flyer.   It draws on things that Bob Naiman
has written or shared in the recent past.  Mr. Naiman, thank you.

==========


  The Saudi Arabia-led war in Yemen
  has created the world’s largest humanitarian crisis.

  Our US government actively supports that war.
  Without US support, it would end.

  But opposition in Congress is at a tipping point.
  We can stop the war in Yemen.


The war in Yemen has raged since 2015, as a coalition of Saudi Arabia
and the United Arab Emirates try to displace Houthis who control much of
the country. *The US contributes **directly **to this war*– with arms
sales and UN Security Council support, and with services such as in-air
refueling of Saudi jets.

This war serves no interest of the US, except in giving us a reason to
sell billions of dollars in arms to Saudi Arabia and the UAE. It is a
regional dispute between the Saudis and Iran – a proxy war fought in Yemen.

Thousands of Yemenis have been killed, millions displaced, and manymore
are at risk, as the Saudi/UAE coalition attacks the port of Hodeida, the
entry point for most humanitarian aid. Eight million people are on the
verge of famine, and ten million more could soon be if the situation
does not improve, says the UN. It appears to be the deliberate policy of
Saudi Arabia to starve the civilian population, starting with their 2015
bombing of wastewater treatment plants.[1] Cholera is now rampant in
Yemen – the largest epidemic in the world, with 1.1 million cases since
April, 2017.

/*Our representatives *//*may*//*listen to us.*////In 2013, when the US,
UK, and France were on the verge of bombing Syria, a vote in the British
Parliament failed – its members did not want that war. At the same time,
//the US Congress was considering a vote as well, and members of both
parties were flooded with calls from their constituents – people of the
US did not want that war, either. President Obama called off the planned
attack./

A bipartisan bill[2] in the US Congress, *HConRes. 138, *invokes the War
Powers Act, insisting that the
US military be forbidden from supporting the war in Yemen unless
Congress votes for it to be there.

*Call our Rep. Rodney Davis, 202-225-2371, *and urge him to *support
**H**C**onRes. 138, *the bill to*stop US support of the war in Yemen.
Without US support, the war might well end.
***
[1] https://www.rt.com/news/440140-saudi-arabia-yemen-eu/
[2]
https://www.thenation.com/article/centrist-house-democrats-join-the-progressive-movement-to-stop-the-war-on-yemen/

/*Thanks to Robert Naiman of Just Foreign Policy, who has been fighting
this atrocity from its beginnings.

*This flyer is being distributed by AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism
Effort of Champaign-Urbana. Look for us
on facebook. We demonstrate monthly against the wars at Main&Neil,
downtown Champaign, 2-4PM, first Saturdays./

=======



On 10/06/2018 10:17 AM, David Green wrote:
> I will be happy to print some off at my home. A half-page flyer,
> whether single or double sided, works best I think.
>
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:04 PM Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
>     Happy to have you all make up a flyer. David has offered to make
>     copies, if you send it to him.
>
>     See you at Main & Neil (altho’ rain is predicted). —CGE
>
>
>
>>     On Oct 5, 2018, at 5:48 PM, Stuart Levy via Peace
>>     <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Tomorrow is the first Saturday of the month, and AWARE has our
>>     monthly anti-war demonstration, 2-4pm, corner of Main and Neil in
>>     downtown Champaign.
>>
>>     Karen and I suggest that this demo be a call for the US to end
>>     its support for the war on Yemen and to insist that Saudi Arabia
>>     and the UAE likewise cease their participation.
>>
>>     Just Foreign Policy and others have been urging us to call our
>>     Senators, and now also our US Rep., to support War Powers
>>     Resolution bills which would require a full-up Congressional vote
>>     on use of US military force there:
>>
>>         
>>     https://www.change.org/p/senate-invoke-war-powers-to-stop-saudi-from-starving-yemeni-kids/
>>
>>         
>>     https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-vote-on-saudi-war?source=c.em&r_by=1135580
>>
>>     Unless someone else has a flyer about this, Karen and/or Stuart
>>     will aim to make one - that at least urges people to call our
>>     Senators and Rep. Davis.   Davis won't likely listen, but he may
>>     be uneasy about losing his seat, so who knows.
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Peace mailing list
>>     Peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:Peace at lists.chambana.net>
>>     https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>
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From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 19:03:34 2018
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (stuartnlevy)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2018 14:03:34 -0500
Subject: [Peace] AWARE demo - it's very wet...
Message-ID: <5bb9070a.1c69fb81.746de.706a@mx.google.com>

We are in a line of intense thunderstorms, and the line is sweeping along us, so it may be very wet for quite a while.   Karen and I are heading to Main and Neil in case anyone needs to be rescued...


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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  6 19:14:13 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 19:14:13 +0000
Subject: [Peace] AWARE demo - it's very wet...
In-Reply-To: <5bb9070a.1c69fb81.746de.706a@mx.google.com>
References: <5bb9070a.1c69fb81.746de.706a@mx.google.com>
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Should those of us who haven’t yet left, head downtown. It has been raining very hard on my side of town.

On Oct 6, 2018, at 12:03, stuartnlevy via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

We are in a line of intense thunderstorms, and the line is sweeping along us, so it may be very wet for quite a while.   Karen and I are heading to Main and Neil in case anyone needs to be rescued...



 -- Stuart
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  6 19:36:21 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 19:36:21 +0000
Subject: [Peace] AWARE demo - it's very wet...
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Is there a demo. happening? I don’t want to just sit in my car in the parking lot, if others are leaving. Driving in this is not nice.



On Oct 6, 2018, at 12:18, James M. <grapes17 at gmail.com<mailto:grapes17 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Actually, I take that back, it's still raining a fair bit. Not as heavy as it was, but still quite wet.


On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:15 PM James M. <grapes17 at gmail.com<mailto:grapes17 at gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm close to downtown and the rain seems to have just let up a bit. But it's hard to tell if another wave of hard rain is coming.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:14 PM Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
Should those of us who haven’t yet left, head downtown. It has been raining very hard on my side of town.

On Oct 6, 2018, at 12:03, stuartnlevy via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

We are in a line of intense thunderstorms, and the line is sweeping along us, so it may be very wet for quite a while.   Karen and I are heading to Main and Neil in case anyone needs to be rescued...



 -- Stuart
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From stuartnlevy at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 19:57:24 2018
From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (stuartnlevy)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2018 14:57:24 -0500
Subject: [Peace] AWARE demo - it's very wet...
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR08MB23821E04839A3D525B048CDCA3E40@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
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We (and signs and flyers) are not there now.   The rain has let up for the time being, and may hold off awhile, but it's coming back in maybe half an hour or so.
So I think it is a washout 😑
 -- Stuart
-------- Original message --------From: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> Date: 10/6/18  14:36  (GMT-06:00) To: "James M." <grapes17 at gmail.com> Cc: stuartnlevy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>, Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, Peace <peace at anti-war.net> Subject: Re: [Peace] AWARE demo - it's very wet... 

Is there a demo. happening? I don’t want to just sit in my car in the parking lot, if others are leaving. Driving in this is not nice.









On Oct 6, 2018, at 12:18, James M. <grapes17 at gmail.com> wrote:



Actually, I take that back, it's still raining a fair bit. Not as heavy as it was, but still quite wet.







On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:15 PM James M. <grapes17 at gmail.com> wrote:



I'm close to downtown and the rain seems to have just let up a bit. But it's hard to tell if another wave of hard rain is coming.



On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:14 PM Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:



Should those of us who haven’t yet left, head downtown. It has been raining very hard on my side of town.




On Oct 6, 2018, at 12:03, stuartnlevy via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:




We are in a line of intense thunderstorms, and the line is sweeping along us, so it may be very wet for quite a while.   Karen and I are heading to Main and Neil in case anyone needs to be rescued...










 -- Stuart

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  6 20:23:40 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 20:23:40 +0000
Subject: [Peace] AWARE demo - it's very wet...
In-Reply-To: <5bb913ae.1c69fb81.13753.7675@mx.google.com>
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Im downtown now. Doug and Don are out there. Parking is limited

 Iam now in front of the Esquire. Will let Don and Doug know you arent coming


Sent on my Virgin Mobile Phone.


------ Original message------

From: stuartnlevy

Date: Sat, Oct 6, 2018 2:57 PM

To: Karen Aram;James M.;

Cc: stuartnlevy at gmail.com;Peace Discuss;Peace;

Subject:Re: [Peace] AWARE demo - it's very wet...


We (and signs and flyers) are not there now.   The rain has let up for the time being, and may hold off awhile, but it's coming back in maybe half an hour or so.

So I think it is a washout 😑

 -- Stuart

-------- Original message --------
From: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
Date: 10/6/18 14:36 (GMT-06:00)
To: "James M." <grapes17 at gmail.com>
Cc: stuartnlevy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>, Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, Peace <peace at anti-war.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace] AWARE demo - it's very wet...

Is there a demo. happening? I don’t want to just sit in my car in the parking lot, if others are leaving. Driving in this is not nice.



On Oct 6, 2018, at 12:18, James M. <grapes17 at gmail.com<mailto:grapes17 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Actually, I take that back, it's still raining a fair bit. Not as heavy as it was, but still quite wet.


On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:15 PM James M. <grapes17 at gmail.com<mailto:grapes17 at gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm close to downtown and the rain seems to have just let up a bit. But it's hard to tell if another wave of hard rain is coming.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:14 PM Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
Should those of us who haven’t yet left, head downtown. It has been raining very hard on my side of town.

On Oct 6, 2018, at 12:03, stuartnlevy via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

We are in a line of intense thunderstorms, and the line is sweeping along us, so it may be very wet for quite a while.   Karen and I are heading to Main and Neil in case anyone needs to be rescued...



 -- Stuart
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From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 10:37:54 2018
From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 05:37:54 -0500
Subject: [Peace] GOTV as if your life depends on it...because it does
Message-ID: <CANDTtdmUuoBaggjUDYcC9dBG4sSjAr13GKbTkVN8DEnk8LAyoQ@mail.gmail.com>

With the Kavanaugh confirmation--the epitome of elite white male
privilege--we have one tool left--our votes.

The candidates have been chosen. I wish more progressive candidates
were on the November ballot in many races, but the positions of
governor, statewide officials, Congressional representatives,
countywide officials, county board members, and judges will be
selected from the persons listed on the ballot. Even if the choice is
not optimal, we will decide who represents us locally, statewide, and
federally, and each of us will make that decision by our action or
inaction in  voting.

Reactionary and authoritarian elements in our country want us to be
cynical and disengaged. They revel when they hear cries of, "My vote
doesn't matter"; "they're all crooks"; "they're all the same"; "there
is no difference." That's how bad people get on the ballot (to put bad
people on the Supreme Court or put children in cages or allow
continued bombing in Syria, for example) in the first place.

Get out and vote, even if the choices are less than perfect this time.
Then hold the winners accountable, and recruit and support better
people to run next time. Democracy is not a spectator sport. GOTV as
if your life depends on it...because it does.

Here is a disturbing article from the Atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/

Please read it, then vote. You may request a mail-in ballot, or you
may vote early at the County Clerk's office, 1776 E Washington,
Urbana, M-F 8:30-4 pm. If you need to update your voter registration,
you may do so regularly through Oct 9, or utilize Grace Period
register/vote the same day option, also at the County Clerk's office.

If you are affiliated with the Democratic Party, we need poll
watchers. Contact info at champaigncountydemocrats.com or individual
candidates to get training, assignments, and credentials. GOTV as if
your life depends on it...because it does.

Vote. It's all we have left.

Deb

From moboct1 at aim.com  Sun Oct  7 15:15:16 2018
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 11:15:16 -0400
Subject: [Peace] AWARE demo - it's very wet...
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR08MB2382BDA462E283357EA83810A3E40@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
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"On my way to the forum..." Fortunately about 1 o'clock yesterday I saw the sky and went back for my umbrella, missing the bus to Champaign, so 30 minutes later armed with "bumbershoot" (as known in Minnesota) I made it on the bus and was in route when the deluge started.  By the time I got to Champaign I decided to wait in the Transport. Terminal for the rain to end but it didn't look as if it would ever end, so I caught a bus back home 30 minutes later and arrived dry and safe about 3 pm.  I had provided in-transit entertainment (Medea's book on Iran) which I had neglected to open so far and found it so interesting (at least the first part, the pre "Revolution" history) that I have decided to finish it.  


About 3:45 the weather lifted and sun came out, but it was too late for me to participate in the demo, in case anybody else did.  Signs would have been soaked anyway.  Maybe next month--after Thanksgiving--already??


Midge



-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>
To: stuartnlevy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>
Cc: peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; Peace <peace at anti-war.net>
Sent: Sat, Oct 6, 2018 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Peace] AWARE demo - it's very wet...


Should those of us who haven’t yet left, head downtown. It has been raining very hard on my side of town.



On Oct 6, 2018, at 12:03, stuartnlevy via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:



We are in a line of intense thunderstorms, and the line is sweeping along us, so it may be very wet for quite a while.   Karen and I are heading to Main and Neil in case anyone needs to be rescued...






 -- Stuart
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From kmedina67 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 19:44:32 2018
From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 14:44:32 -0500
Subject: [Peace] AWARE demo - it's very wet...
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Thanks to Doug, Don, and Karen Aram, there was a peace demonstration from
about 3pm to 4pm.
The flag of Peace still waves.
We need to make some waterproof signs. The "War is Not the Answer" signs
are perfect for the rain.

You will have to wait for next month to see the new Yemen-related signs
made by Rohn, Stuart and Karen M
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From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 13:04:27 2018
From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 08:04:27 -0500
Subject: [Peace] AWARE demo - it's very wet...
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Karen
If your signs are 12x18” or less, Minuteman Press will laminate them for about $2 at . Larger signs can be laminated at Dean’s Superior Blueprints for substantially higher fees. I am still using laminated signs after 4 years. Well worth the cost!
Deb

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Karen Medina via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to Doug, Don, and Karen Aram, there was a peace demonstration from about 3pm to 4pm. 
> The flag of Peace still waves.
> We need to make some waterproof signs. The "War is Not the Answer" signs are perfect for the rain.
> 
> You will have to wait for next month to see the new Yemen-related signs made by Rohn, Stuart and Karen M
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From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org  Tue Oct  9 03:04:31 2018
From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 22:04:31 -0500
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Letter to the News-Gazette,
	on the coming election
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References: <44425D1A-379E-4118-9AEC-B4B0A3B60E71@illinois.edu>
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Here's another way of looking at it.

I disagree that the world would be worse off on net if Democrats take the
House. I think the world would be better off on net. I think that it would
help us end the Saudi war in Yemen, which is pushing millions of human
beings to the edge of starvation. I think we can end the war if we can get
a vote in the House. So far the House Republican leadership has blocked a
vote in the House. We're trying to get a vote as soon as possible, but if
Dems win the House, then I'm confident that we'll get a vote in January if
not before. I think that outweighs the anti-Russia issue. I don't contest
at all that the anti-Russia thing embraced by many Democrats is quite
bothersome. But, Russia has nuclear weapons and a big army and a seat on
the UN Security Council and while the U.S. may pursue destructive policies
towards Russia and we should oppose those policies, the U.S. is not about
to invade Russia or start bombing it, while Russia has those means to
defend itself, which it will continue to do. Yemeni children have none of
these things to defend themselves from U.S. bombs. So I think the Yemeni
children should be a higher priority for our defense. Plus, while Trump has
advocated, justly in my view, for better relations with Russia, his actual
policies have in some respects been more aggressive than Obama. Obama
rebuffed neocon pressure to arm Ukraine. Trump acceded to it. This is not
to gainsay that Obama did bad things in this regard and Trump did good
things. Just that it's not one-zero.

But regardless of all that, the overwhelming likelihood is that whatever
happens with Betsy vs. Rodney will not determine control of the House. It's
a competitive district, and Betsy could win. But it's not a district
Democrats need to win in order to take the House. According to 538, Dems
have a 5 in 7 or 3 in 4 chance of winning the House, depending how you
count, while the chances of Betsy beating Rodney are 3 in 10 or 2 in 7 or 1
in 4, depending on how you count. These are estimates, of course, but it
shows where an educated reasonable guess lies: it's more likely that Dems
will take the House than it is that Betsy will beat Rodney. If Betsy vs
Rodney is close - if our votes matter - Dems are very likely taking the
House anyway. If the contest for the House is close, then Rodney is
probably beating Betsy anyway. There's a good chance that Dems will take
the House but we'll still be stuck with Rodney. We have far greater
potential to influence whether we're stuck with Rodney than whether Dems
take the House.

So I think there's a strong case that we should focus more on whether we're
represented by Betsy or Rodney, over which we have more control, than over
whether Dems or Rs control the House, over which we have much less
influence, and which is not likely to be influenced by Betsy vs. Rodney.

And there I think it's very much a slam dunk that we'd be much better off,
from an anti-war point of view, being represented by Betsy than by Rodney.
Not because Betsy would be perfect on all imaginable anti-war things; she
wouldn't be. But she'd be good on some important things which are in
contest. She'd be good on Yemen. Whereas Rodney is a big fat zero on all
war and peace issues, including Yemen, and also Iran. I've tried ever since
Rodney was our Rep. to get Rodney to do things, even bipartisan things,
simple things, defend-our-Constitution things, for less war. Zero, nothing,
zip, nada, he never did anything. He's completely hopeless on war and peace
issues, as far as I can tell, a robot of the pro-war Republican leadership
in the House. Tim Johnson was much better, night and day, reachable, we
brought him around. Rodney Davis is a brick wall on war and peace. With
Betsy she will be good on some things and we have a chance to move her on
other things, to participate in national efforts to move Congress by moving
our Rep. With Rodney Davis our chances are zero. He just doesn't give a
damn what people in Champaign-Urbana think about anything, he's made that
perfectly clear many times, we are not his base, he does not care at all
what we think about anything and doesn't pretend to.

So I would urge people to think most about what we an do with respect to
the matter at hand that will contribute the most to allowing us to
participate meaningfully in national efforts to move Congress towards less
war in the future. And I think it's pretty clear that means focusing on
whether we want to be represented by Betsy or Rodney, rather on whether we
want Dems or Rs to control the House.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:24 PM Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> How should those of us opposed to America’s eight wars and war
> provocations vote? We have one vote to influence US government policy in
> the next two years: that comes in next month’s election of a representative
> to the US House, in the seat held by Republican Rodney Davis.
>
> Davis’ opponent is a conventional Democrat, Betsy Dirksen Londrigan. They
> generally agree on the neoliberal and neoconservative policies followed by
> all recent US governments, Republican and Democrat alike - policies that
> have produced more war and accelerating inequality.
>
> Given a choice between two bad candidates, one should of course vote for
> the less bad. Here party affiliation makes the important difference,
> because the House is organized by parties, not the views of individual
> members. Of the two major political parties in America, the Democrats are
> the more pro-war today:
>
> (1) their challengers for House seats include a large number of pro-war
> CIA and 'military intelligence' veterans;
> (2) 'Russiagate' is their fantastical attempt to insure that Trump doesn't
> depart from the belligerence against Russia and China that characterized
> the Obama-Clinton administrations; and
> (3) they are employing identity politics to defeat those few anti-war
> votes in Congress (cf. Rep. Michael Capuano in Massachusetts).
>
> The Democrats should not be given control of Congress. They are the
> greater evil - the greater threat of war - at the moment.
>
> I’ll reluctantly vote for our feckless Republican Congressman, Rodney
> Davis, in order to forestall the Democrats’ gaining control of the House of
> Representatives.
>
> —CGE
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 10 22:22:05 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:22:05 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Urgent Alert: Stop Trump's Plan to Crush Protests in
 the Nation's Capital!
References: <5bbe576a82c85_20065cf5c72371@asgworker-qmb3-8.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail>
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[ANSWER Coalition]<http://www.answercoalition.org/?e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=1>


This is time-sensitive and we urge you to act right now — the deadline is days away. Below is an alert from the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund about new rules that would sharply restrict protests in Washington, D.C. On Aug. 12, more than 15,000 people filled Lafayette Park in a permitted demonstration to protest the presence of the Nazis and KKK. It was a huge victory for the people. If Donald Trump gets his way in rewriting longstanding regulations governing protests in Washington, D.C., demonstrations like the one on Aug. 12 and many others would not be able to secure a permit and subject to immediate police dispersal.

ANSWER has organized mass protests in all the areas that would be affected by Donald Trump's new regulations (the National Mall, Lafayette Park, the White House Sidewalk, Lincoln Memorial, the Ellipse, Freedom Plaza and the sidewalks and parkland along Pennsylvania Avenue). We completely oppose Trump's attempt to crush protests in D.C., and urge you and every one of our our supporters to send in a formal statement of opposition<http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=2> to them, and to share this widely with all those who care about free speech.

________________________________
Stop Trump's Plan to Crush Protests
in the Nation's Capital
You Must Submit Your Formal Comment
in Opposition by October 15th

[https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/justiceonline/mailings/213/attachments/original/march_on_washington.jpg?1539133750]VERY urgent! Please circulate far and wide and on social media

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New rules have been issued that will eliminate the right to protest as we know it in Washington, D.C. but the government is required to consider public comments before it can make the rules final. You only have until October 15th to submit your statement of opposition.<http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=5>

If you oppose these rules take action right now - we have set up an easy-to-use comment submission system<http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=6> that will directly deliver your statement of opposition and make it part of the record that must be considered.

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The new rules proposed by the Trump administration and Secretary of Interior Ryan Zinke will impose steep fees and costs on demonstrations in Washington, D.C; effectively ban protests on the White House sidewalks; force protesters to pay the costs of barricades erected at police discretion, park ranger wages and overtime, and harm to grass from standing on it; create waiting periods removing any obligation of the government to promptly process or approve permits; restrict and suppress spontaneous demonstrations that respond to breaking events; create hair-triggers allowing police to end protests for the most minor of issues; restrict sound and staging; ban long term vigils or protest presences; make protesters pay for expensive "turf covers", among many other radical restrictions of free speech rights.

These changes will affect all parkland under the National Park Service (NPS) in the nation's capital including the National Mall, Lafayette Park, the White House Sidewalk, Lincoln Memorial, the Ellipse, Freedom Plaza and the sidewalks and parkland along Pennsylvania Avenue - including the sidewalk in front of the Trump Hotel.

Take Action Right Now To Stop Trump's Plan to Crush Protests<http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=8>

This is a dangerous anti-democratic proposal. If enacted, this will mark the end of free speech as we know it and will be a dystopian model that spreads across the county. The NPS is required by law to respond to the public's comment on these new changes. Comment now and make them stop this proposed roll back of precious civil rights and democratic freedoms. Don't delay - you must submit your comment by <http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=9> October 15<http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=10>.

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 10 22:22:05 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:22:05 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Urgent Alert: Stop Trump's Plan to Crush Protests in
 the Nation's Capital!
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This is time-sensitive and we urge you to act right now — the deadline is days away. Below is an alert from the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund about new rules that would sharply restrict protests in Washington, D.C. On Aug. 12, more than 15,000 people filled Lafayette Park in a permitted demonstration to protest the presence of the Nazis and KKK. It was a huge victory for the people. If Donald Trump gets his way in rewriting longstanding regulations governing protests in Washington, D.C., demonstrations like the one on Aug. 12 and many others would not be able to secure a permit and subject to immediate police dispersal.

ANSWER has organized mass protests in all the areas that would be affected by Donald Trump's new regulations (the National Mall, Lafayette Park, the White House Sidewalk, Lincoln Memorial, the Ellipse, Freedom Plaza and the sidewalks and parkland along Pennsylvania Avenue). We completely oppose Trump's attempt to crush protests in D.C., and urge you and every one of our our supporters to send in a formal statement of opposition<http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=2> to them, and to share this widely with all those who care about free speech.

________________________________
Stop Trump's Plan to Crush Protests
in the Nation's Capital
You Must Submit Your Formal Comment
in Opposition by October 15th

[https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/justiceonline/mailings/213/attachments/original/march_on_washington.jpg?1539133750]VERY urgent! Please circulate far and wide and on social media

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New rules have been issued that will eliminate the right to protest as we know it in Washington, D.C. but the government is required to consider public comments before it can make the rules final. You only have until October 15th to submit your statement of opposition.<http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=5>

If you oppose these rules take action right now - we have set up an easy-to-use comment submission system<http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=6> that will directly deliver your statement of opposition and make it part of the record that must be considered.

Click here for more information on the new rules and to submit your statement of opposition.<http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=7>

The new rules proposed by the Trump administration and Secretary of Interior Ryan Zinke will impose steep fees and costs on demonstrations in Washington, D.C; effectively ban protests on the White House sidewalks; force protesters to pay the costs of barricades erected at police discretion, park ranger wages and overtime, and harm to grass from standing on it; create waiting periods removing any obligation of the government to promptly process or approve permits; restrict and suppress spontaneous demonstrations that respond to breaking events; create hair-triggers allowing police to end protests for the most minor of issues; restrict sound and staging; ban long term vigils or protest presences; make protesters pay for expensive "turf covers", among many other radical restrictions of free speech rights.

These changes will affect all parkland under the National Park Service (NPS) in the nation's capital including the National Mall, Lafayette Park, the White House Sidewalk, Lincoln Memorial, the Ellipse, Freedom Plaza and the sidewalks and parkland along Pennsylvania Avenue - including the sidewalk in front of the Trump Hotel.

Take Action Right Now To Stop Trump's Plan to Crush Protests<http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=8>

This is a dangerous anti-democratic proposal. If enacted, this will mark the end of free speech as we know it and will be a dystopian model that spreads across the county. The NPS is required by law to respond to the public's comment on these new changes. Comment now and make them stop this proposed roll back of precious civil rights and democratic freedoms. Don't delay - you must submit your comment by <http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=9> October 15<http://www.answercoalition.org/r?u=1_hnt9SSKF7Oj-v4UTbIyl_J9dv-qiFfH8CC6-ewqZ_Dask0yW_pD0x5t5QxPNfHhqUlQIXYyp_EG2zMwq12XQPRFbFd0zBWjFgZ5RY5Aj5IEz_9Uwe1FN2CrIvKhfmvlHhNus57H8urMuaGz8ACnw&e=34e47c8f266e39ec7d3a5d2b76038f9f&utm_source=answercoalition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nps_reg&n=10>.

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 11 12:16:14 2018
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Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:16:14 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Pentagon report points to US preparations for total war
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Pentagon report points to US preparations for total war
By Andre Damon
11 October 2018

Over the past two weeks, with next to no media coverage, the United States has moved substantially closer toward open military confrontation with both Russia and China, the second- and third-ranked nuclear powers in the world.

On October 3, the United States threatened, for the first time since the Cold War, to directly attack the Russian homeland. UN Ambassador to NATO Kay Bailey Hutchison accused the country of violating the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty by developing a nuclear cruise missile and said that Washington was preparing to “take out” the weapon with a US strike.

This statement came just three days after a Chinese warship set a collision course with a US destroyer carrying out a so-called “freedom of navigation” operation in the South China Sea, forcing the American ship to maneuver to avoid a collision and the potentially deadliest military clash in the Pacific in decades.

Behind such hair-raising incidents, the United States is undertaking serious, long-term preparations to restructure the American economy to fight a major war with a “peer” adversary, entailing radical changes to American economic, social and political life.

This is the essential content of a 146-page document released by the Pentagon last Friday, titled “Assessing and Strengthening the Manufacturing and Defense Industrial Base and Supply Chain Resiliency of the United States.” It makes it clear that Washington is preparing not just for isolated regional clashes, but rather for a massive, long-term war effort against Russia and China under conditions of potential national autarchy.

[http://www.wsws.org/asset/fa0de344-7b84-402e-ad6b-e2607ec1fc3B/image.jpg?rendition=image480]Martin employees work on the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter production line in Fort Worth, Texas [Credit - Defense Contract Management Agency].jpg

The document made clear that a major restructuring of the American economy will be necessary to reach the United States military’s stated goal of being prepared to “fight tonight” against a “peer adversary.” The United States must “retool” for “great-power competition,” the document declared.

“America’s manufacturing and defense industrial base,” observes the report, creates the “platform and systems” upon which “our Warfighter depends.” This complex encompasses not just the government, but the private sector, as well as “R&D organizations” and “academic institutions.” In other words, the entire economy and society.

It warns that “The erosion of American manufacturing over the last two decades… threatens to undermine the ability of U.S. manufacturers to meet national security requirements. Today, we rely on single domestic sources for some products and foreign supply chains for others, and we face the possibility of not being able to produce specialized components for the military at home.”

Correcting this strategic deficiency, the report concludes, means that “support for a vibrant domestic manufacturing sector, a solid defense industrial base, and resilient supply chains is a national priority.”

The report squarely targets China, declaring, “China’s economic strategies, combined with the adverse impacts of other nations’ industrial policies, pose significant threats to the U.S. industrial base and thereby pose a growing risk to U.S. national security.”

The promotion of US manufacturing dominance, in other words, is vital for promoting military dominance.

The protection of heavy industry goes together with the administration’s efforts to defend America’s high-tech sector, the source of a vast portion of US profitability.

As the report notes, “One of the Chinese Communist Party’s primary industrial initiatives, Made in China 2025, targets artificial intelligence, quantum computing, robotics, autonomous and new energy vehicles, high performance medical devices, high-tech ship components, and other emerging industries critical to national defense.”

It warns that “Chinese R&D spending is rapidly converging to that of the U.S. and will likely achieve parity sometime in the near future,” and worriedly points to the fact that the Chinese manufacturer DJI dominates the commercial aerial drone market.

The Pentagon’s plans for protecting and expanding the US high-tech sector include its backing for the administration’s efforts to limit the admission of Chinese students to US universities through visa restrictions. The report complains that, with as many as 25 percent of “STEM [Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics] graduates in the U.S. being Chinese nationals… American universities are major enablers of China’s economic and military rise.”

The vision in the document, in other words, is the concrete expression of the conception outlined in the latest US national security strategy, calling for “the seamless integration of multiple elements of national power—diplomacy, information, economics, finance, intelligence, law enforcement and military.”

A leading element of this equation is the American corporate technology sector, which has scrambled for fat Pentagon contracts to develop the latest generation of weapons systems. In exchange for these payouts, and aggressive protection from their international rivals, they have worked closely to implement what one leaked internal Google document called a “shift towards censorship” in cooperation with the demands of the US military and intelligence agencies.

The logic of this growing fusion between the repressive apparatus of the state and increasingly powerful monopolies is the necessary correlation between “total war” and a “totalitarian” society, in which key constitutional provisions are rendered effectively meaningless.

The central target of such measures will be the forcible suppression of the class struggle in the name of promoting “national security.” The escalation of global US militarism has coincided with a major upsurge in the class struggle, including the rejection of a concessions contract by workers at UPS, the logistics giant whose powerful workforce is capable of crippling not just America’s industrial base, but substantial sections of the wartime economy.

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Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:16:14 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Pentagon report points to US preparations for total war
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Pentagon report points to US preparations for total war
By Andre Damon
11 October 2018

Over the past two weeks, with next to no media coverage, the United States has moved substantially closer toward open military confrontation with both Russia and China, the second- and third-ranked nuclear powers in the world.

On October 3, the United States threatened, for the first time since the Cold War, to directly attack the Russian homeland. UN Ambassador to NATO Kay Bailey Hutchison accused the country of violating the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty by developing a nuclear cruise missile and said that Washington was preparing to “take out” the weapon with a US strike.

This statement came just three days after a Chinese warship set a collision course with a US destroyer carrying out a so-called “freedom of navigation” operation in the South China Sea, forcing the American ship to maneuver to avoid a collision and the potentially deadliest military clash in the Pacific in decades.

Behind such hair-raising incidents, the United States is undertaking serious, long-term preparations to restructure the American economy to fight a major war with a “peer” adversary, entailing radical changes to American economic, social and political life.

This is the essential content of a 146-page document released by the Pentagon last Friday, titled “Assessing and Strengthening the Manufacturing and Defense Industrial Base and Supply Chain Resiliency of the United States.” It makes it clear that Washington is preparing not just for isolated regional clashes, but rather for a massive, long-term war effort against Russia and China under conditions of potential national autarchy.

[http://www.wsws.org/asset/fa0de344-7b84-402e-ad6b-e2607ec1fc3B/image.jpg?rendition=image480]Martin employees work on the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter production line in Fort Worth, Texas [Credit - Defense Contract Management Agency].jpg

The document made clear that a major restructuring of the American economy will be necessary to reach the United States military’s stated goal of being prepared to “fight tonight” against a “peer adversary.” The United States must “retool” for “great-power competition,” the document declared.

“America’s manufacturing and defense industrial base,” observes the report, creates the “platform and systems” upon which “our Warfighter depends.” This complex encompasses not just the government, but the private sector, as well as “R&D organizations” and “academic institutions.” In other words, the entire economy and society.

It warns that “The erosion of American manufacturing over the last two decades… threatens to undermine the ability of U.S. manufacturers to meet national security requirements. Today, we rely on single domestic sources for some products and foreign supply chains for others, and we face the possibility of not being able to produce specialized components for the military at home.”

Correcting this strategic deficiency, the report concludes, means that “support for a vibrant domestic manufacturing sector, a solid defense industrial base, and resilient supply chains is a national priority.”

The report squarely targets China, declaring, “China’s economic strategies, combined with the adverse impacts of other nations’ industrial policies, pose significant threats to the U.S. industrial base and thereby pose a growing risk to U.S. national security.”

The promotion of US manufacturing dominance, in other words, is vital for promoting military dominance.

The protection of heavy industry goes together with the administration’s efforts to defend America’s high-tech sector, the source of a vast portion of US profitability.

As the report notes, “One of the Chinese Communist Party’s primary industrial initiatives, Made in China 2025, targets artificial intelligence, quantum computing, robotics, autonomous and new energy vehicles, high performance medical devices, high-tech ship components, and other emerging industries critical to national defense.”

It warns that “Chinese R&D spending is rapidly converging to that of the U.S. and will likely achieve parity sometime in the near future,” and worriedly points to the fact that the Chinese manufacturer DJI dominates the commercial aerial drone market.

The Pentagon’s plans for protecting and expanding the US high-tech sector include its backing for the administration’s efforts to limit the admission of Chinese students to US universities through visa restrictions. The report complains that, with as many as 25 percent of “STEM [Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics] graduates in the U.S. being Chinese nationals… American universities are major enablers of China’s economic and military rise.”

The vision in the document, in other words, is the concrete expression of the conception outlined in the latest US national security strategy, calling for “the seamless integration of multiple elements of national power—diplomacy, information, economics, finance, intelligence, law enforcement and military.”

A leading element of this equation is the American corporate technology sector, which has scrambled for fat Pentagon contracts to develop the latest generation of weapons systems. In exchange for these payouts, and aggressive protection from their international rivals, they have worked closely to implement what one leaked internal Google document called a “shift towards censorship” in cooperation with the demands of the US military and intelligence agencies.

The logic of this growing fusion between the repressive apparatus of the state and increasingly powerful monopolies is the necessary correlation between “total war” and a “totalitarian” society, in which key constitutional provisions are rendered effectively meaningless.

The central target of such measures will be the forcible suppression of the class struggle in the name of promoting “national security.” The escalation of global US militarism has coincided with a major upsurge in the class struggle, including the rejection of a concessions contract by workers at UPS, the logistics giant whose powerful workforce is capable of crippling not just America’s industrial base, but substantial sections of the wartime economy.

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From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Peace] THE COMING WAR WITH IRAN
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 11 14:58:54 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Peace] THE COMING WAR WITH IRAN
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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 23:05:50 2018
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:05:50 -0500
Subject: [Peace] This fall's 'drop-in' seminar on immigration starts this
 Sunday, Oct. 14, 4-6pm
Message-ID: <CAKfUjSFJncw_iZgKHbHNhrcN_GEjowrumyi287QDkZ5jJdzSLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi friends---*School for Designing a Society* invites you to a weekly
community “drop-in” seminar on global/local immigration:
*"How can investigating issues about immigration lead to further/new
activist interventions in Champaign-Urbana?"*


Sundays (beginning Oct. 14 until December 2-- Come when you can)
4-6pm
School for Designing a Society
122 Franklin St., Urbana, IL
<https://maps.google.com/?q=122+Franklin+St.,+Urbana,+IL&entry=gmail&source=g>

(tea and coffee provided)


*Seminar Sessions will include these questions and formats:  *
- discussing how the atmosphere around immigration has changed (or not) in
the past 6 months; how can we use this change?
-how can we connect the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh as Supreme Court
Justice with the escalation of ICE activities?
- if we were to make new lawn signs around immigration policy, what would
they say?
-who benefits from current US immigration/deportation policies?
- if we make weekly puppet shows on immigration performed at Urbana’s
Farmer’s Market, what would be new content?
- Trump has proposed a new regulation called ‘Public Charge Rule’—what
is    that, and what actions should we take?
- testimonials by emigrant neighbors
- collecting news reports about detentions/deportations/travel bans
- collecting  info about working conditions in places where immigrants work
- analyzing right wing exploitation of anti-immigrant sentiment around the
  world
- researching pro-immigrant organizations in Illinois
- looking at labor organizing as it relates to immigration
-


This seminar is being organized at no cost to participants.
For info or to RSVP, please contact susanroseparenti at gmail.com


-- 

-- 
*Susan Parenti*
*Educational Coordinator *

*The School for Designing a Society *www.designingasociety.net

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Subject: [Peace] Book Review: Daniel Ellsberg's "The Doomsday Machine"
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Daniel Ellsberg’s The Doomsday Machine: A prescient warning of the danger of nuclear war
By Kevin Martinez
13 October 2018

The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner by Daniel Ellsberg, Bloomsbury USA, 2017, 397 pages.

Daniel Ellsberg is an American anti-war activist who in 1971, while working for the RAND Corporation, leaked a series of documents called “The Pentagon Papers” to the New York Times and other news outlets. The papers revealed to the American public that successive US administrations from Truman to Nixon lied about the scale and legality of increasing US involvement in the Vietnam War.

Ellsberg was charged with treason under the Espionage Act by the Nixon administration, which sought a court order to prevent the New York Times from publishing the documents, ultimately denied by the Supreme Court. The most recent film by Steven Spielberg, The Post, concerned itself with these events.

Ellsberg himself was the target of extra-legal harassment by the Nixon administration before the charges against him were dropped against the backdrop of the unfolding Watergate crisis.

The publication of the Pentagon Papers was arguably the last time the American bourgeois press had any real commitment to democratic rights and journalism. In the ensuing decades, Ellsberg has become a pariah to the establishment as he has maintained his commitment to anti-war activism and spoken out in defense of modern-day whistle-blowers such as Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, and Julian Assange.

[http://www.wsws.org/asset/40f76aa1-7d13-4029-b3eb-2e2124d65acB/image.jpg?rendition=image480]Daniel Ellsberg in 2016

Ellsberg is one of the few figures from the establishment, like Chris Hedges, formerly of the New York Times, who broke from their privileged background and took considerable personal risk to tell the truth. Moreover, as someone who was privy to top-secret and classified information, he knows whereof he speaks. Any class-conscious worker, serious intellectual, and young person can learn something from his work.

In December 2017, Ellsberg published The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner, a memoir of his days as a nuclear war strategist for the Pentagon and the RAND Corporation in the early 1960s. Ellsberg has said that he copied nuclear war plans and intended to release them to the public after the publication of the Pentagon Papers. Unfortunately, while Ellsberg was on trial these documents were hidden in a briefcase in a landfill and were lost when a tropical storm swept in.

The contents of the book are disturbing on many levels. Ellsberg recollects his own personal history and how he came to work for the “defense” establishment during a time of critical episodes of the Cold War, including the Cuban Missile Crisis, where he provides his own version of events.

Chapter by chapter, Ellsberg describes US plans for nuclear attack that can be triggered by accident, or by intention, very easily, leading to a nuclear holocaust which would wipe out all life on the planet.

In the prologue he writes how, when he was working in the Pentagon as a special assistant to the assistant secretary of defense, he came upon a document which read, “Top Secret- Sensitive” and marked “For the President’s Eyes Only.” The document was a question to the Joint Chiefs of Staff which read: “If your plans for general [nuclear] war are carried out as planned, how many people will be killed in the Soviet Union and China?”

The answer was in the form of a graph, which Ellsberg reproduces in the book from memory. The vertical axis showed the number of deaths in the millions while the horizontal axis showed the amount of time in months. It was assumed that at least 275 million people would die almost instantaneously, while after six months the number would rise to 325 million deaths.

When the question was asked, “[H]ow many would die from radioactive fallout?” the Pentagon calculated another 100 million deaths in the Warsaw Pact countries and probably another 100 million dead in Western Europe, “depending on which way the wind blew.” Thus, the grand total of a nuclear US first strike would be at least 600 million dead, “a hundred holocausts” by the Pentagon’s own estimate.

Ellsberg writes, “I remember what I thought when I first held the single sheet with the graph on it. I thought, This piece of paper should not exist. It should never have existed. Not in America. Not anywhere, ever. It depicted evil beyond any human project ever. There should be nothing on earth, nothing real, that it referred to.”

So begins the book. Over the next pages and chapters Ellsberg sets out to demolish all preconceived notions of nuclear warfare, to lay out what really is. His assertions include the following:

  *   The basic plans of nuclear war today are essentially the same as those developed in the 1960s, which is essentially a system of thousands of nuclear weapons aimed at Russian cities and military targets ready to be launched at a moment’s notice.
  *   The US strategy has always been for a first strike: not necessarily a surprise attack but not an attack which came “second” in a nuclear war.
  *   Every US president, all the way to Trump, has used the threat of nuclear war as deterrence to their adversaries.
  *   The US threat of nuclear attack has precluded any “effective nonproliferation campaign” among other nation-states which have decided to acquire nuclear weapons themselves.
  *   US nuclear war plans, and the hypothetical and real scenarios under which they unfold, are far more extensive than the public can imagine. Ellsberg writes how the public perception of a “nuclear button” with one finger on it, presumably the President’s, is a lie. In fact, there are many fingers on many buttons, to delegate authority to launch nuclear missiles in case the President and the leadership were incapacitated. These same systems exist in Russia, and probably other nuclear-armed powers as well.
  *   The Cuban Missile Crisis was even more dangerous than previously thought, as demonstrated in a highly classified study in 1964 which was never made public until this book.
  *   The strategic nuclear war systems are much more prone to “accidents” and false alarms than previously thought, risking the threat of unauthorized launchings.
  *   The potential risk of nuclear war has been systematically covered up from the public, including the aforementioned graph showing hundreds of millions of deaths, a third of the planet at the time. Ellsberg notes that in 1961 when the document was made, it was two decades before the concept of nuclear winter and nuclear famine were accepted, which meant that in reality most humans would die along with most other large species after a nuclear war.

Perhaps the greatest value of Ellsberg’s work is its sense of urgency. Despite the fact that nuclear weapons stockpiles have decreased by 80 percent from their height in the 1960s just a small fraction of the existing arsenals would still kill all seven billion people alive today.

Yet the official public discourse treats the threat and fear of nuclear conflict as something of an anachronism from the Cold War era. Masses of people are simply not as aware of the dangers as previous generations. Even into the 1980s there were mass rallies opposing nuclear war, involving hundreds of thousands of people. The fear of a Third World War affected the culture of all the major industrialized countries of the world, prompting the building of fall-out shelters, duck-and-cover drills in classrooms, and immortal satire like Stanley Kubrick’s Dr. Strangelove .

Ellsberg warns that the threat of nuclear destruction has only increased since the end of the Cold War, precisely because the public sense of the dangers has steadily eroded, in addition to the American government’s quest for world hegemony as exemplified by the Trump administration. To his credit, Ellsberg writes that Trump is not an aberration from previous administration, but the fitting culmination of an insane system.

To underscore this point, in Chapter 20, Ellsberg writes how in many ways the bellicose threats from the “madman” Trump is little different from the “madman theory” pioneered by President Nixon and his national security advisor, Henry Kissinger. Ellsberg likens the threat of nuclear war by a nation as akin to a robber holding up a store with a gun. It matters not whether the gun or threat is real, what matters is that the robber threatens to use violence to get their way.

In this respect, we have the logic of Nixon’s and Trump’s threats on the world stage. The notion that the commander-in-chief whose finger is on the button is not mentally stable is supposed to be enough to get the opposing side to negotiate.

Ellsberg includes the following exchange between Nixon and Kissinger, based on a tape of Oval Office conversations regarding an ongoing North Vietnamese offensive from April 25, 1972:

Nixon: I still think we ought to take the dikes out now. Will that drown people?

Kissinger: About two hundred thousand people.

Nixon: No, no, no … I’d rather use the nuclear bomb. Have you got that, Henry?

Kissinger: That, I think would just be too much.

Nixon: The nuclear bomb, does that bother you? I just want you to think big, Henry, for Christ sakes.

This would not be the first or last time, nuclear weapons were threatened by the United States against another country. Ellsberg mentions how during the Korean War, both Truman and then Eisenhower threatened to drop nukes in order to get the Chinese to negotiate. However that is not all. Ellsberg then lists more than 25 such incidents throughout the Cold War of public and private nuclear threats by US presidents, some little known.

Of course, this list is incomplete. Ellsberg then illustrates how Presidents Bush and Obama have threatened nuclear war on Iran on several occasions. All the recent presidential contenders, including both Democrats and Republicans, have shown their willingness to use nuclear weapons as a kind of litmus test to prove to the ruling class their ruthlessness. Trump’s tweets are just the public and open version of what American presidents and presidential hopefuls have been doing for decades.

It is beyond the scope of this review to go into every chapter and detail, as fascinating and horrifying as it is. This reviewer simply recommends readers of the WSWS buy or at least rent the book to discover more.

This is not a book for late-night reading and yet one can’t put it down. When the pages have all been read, one doesn’t necessarily want to jump back into it, almost out of self-preservation, and so it lies around the table or book shelf upsetting the conscience like something out of “The Tell-Tale Heart” by Edgar Allen Poe. The best sort of books tend to do that.

It is essential to note that Ellsberg offers no serious solution to this existential crisis facing mankind, the greatest in our history. He is of the opinion that an informed citizenry can exert pressure on the existing political leaders and institutions. In our view, this is a futile perspective because, as Ellsberg’s books so eloquently explains, we are dealing not with individuals who may or may not be mad, but a system which is mad, namely, capitalism.

The Marxist would argue that dying capitalism can only offer two alternatives that Rosa Luxemburg called “socialism or barbarism.” Ellsberg, like many of his generation, sees the threat of omnicide, the destruction of the species, as something inherent in the human condition itself, thus minimizing the overall impact and seriousness of his work.

Despite this, The Doomsday Machine is an extremely prescient and important book. Ellsberg, now 87, has devoted his remaining years to speaking out against the approaching Third World War, and even more significant, makes the argument that it can and must be stopped.

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Daniel Ellsberg’s The Doomsday Machine: A prescient warning of the danger of nuclear war
By Kevin Martinez
13 October 2018

The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner by Daniel Ellsberg, Bloomsbury USA, 2017, 397 pages.

Daniel Ellsberg is an American anti-war activist who in 1971, while working for the RAND Corporation, leaked a series of documents called “The Pentagon Papers” to the New York Times and other news outlets. The papers revealed to the American public that successive US administrations from Truman to Nixon lied about the scale and legality of increasing US involvement in the Vietnam War.

Ellsberg was charged with treason under the Espionage Act by the Nixon administration, which sought a court order to prevent the New York Times from publishing the documents, ultimately denied by the Supreme Court. The most recent film by Steven Spielberg, The Post, concerned itself with these events.

Ellsberg himself was the target of extra-legal harassment by the Nixon administration before the charges against him were dropped against the backdrop of the unfolding Watergate crisis.

The publication of the Pentagon Papers was arguably the last time the American bourgeois press had any real commitment to democratic rights and journalism. In the ensuing decades, Ellsberg has become a pariah to the establishment as he has maintained his commitment to anti-war activism and spoken out in defense of modern-day whistle-blowers such as Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, and Julian Assange.

[http://www.wsws.org/asset/40f76aa1-7d13-4029-b3eb-2e2124d65acB/image.jpg?rendition=image480]Daniel Ellsberg in 2016

Ellsberg is one of the few figures from the establishment, like Chris Hedges, formerly of the New York Times, who broke from their privileged background and took considerable personal risk to tell the truth. Moreover, as someone who was privy to top-secret and classified information, he knows whereof he speaks. Any class-conscious worker, serious intellectual, and young person can learn something from his work.

In December 2017, Ellsberg published The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner, a memoir of his days as a nuclear war strategist for the Pentagon and the RAND Corporation in the early 1960s. Ellsberg has said that he copied nuclear war plans and intended to release them to the public after the publication of the Pentagon Papers. Unfortunately, while Ellsberg was on trial these documents were hidden in a briefcase in a landfill and were lost when a tropical storm swept in.

The contents of the book are disturbing on many levels. Ellsberg recollects his own personal history and how he came to work for the “defense” establishment during a time of critical episodes of the Cold War, including the Cuban Missile Crisis, where he provides his own version of events.

Chapter by chapter, Ellsberg describes US plans for nuclear attack that can be triggered by accident, or by intention, very easily, leading to a nuclear holocaust which would wipe out all life on the planet.

In the prologue he writes how, when he was working in the Pentagon as a special assistant to the assistant secretary of defense, he came upon a document which read, “Top Secret- Sensitive” and marked “For the President’s Eyes Only.” The document was a question to the Joint Chiefs of Staff which read: “If your plans for general [nuclear] war are carried out as planned, how many people will be killed in the Soviet Union and China?”

The answer was in the form of a graph, which Ellsberg reproduces in the book from memory. The vertical axis showed the number of deaths in the millions while the horizontal axis showed the amount of time in months. It was assumed that at least 275 million people would die almost instantaneously, while after six months the number would rise to 325 million deaths.

When the question was asked, “[H]ow many would die from radioactive fallout?” the Pentagon calculated another 100 million deaths in the Warsaw Pact countries and probably another 100 million dead in Western Europe, “depending on which way the wind blew.” Thus, the grand total of a nuclear US first strike would be at least 600 million dead, “a hundred holocausts” by the Pentagon’s own estimate.

Ellsberg writes, “I remember what I thought when I first held the single sheet with the graph on it. I thought, This piece of paper should not exist. It should never have existed. Not in America. Not anywhere, ever. It depicted evil beyond any human project ever. There should be nothing on earth, nothing real, that it referred to.”

So begins the book. Over the next pages and chapters Ellsberg sets out to demolish all preconceived notions of nuclear warfare, to lay out what really is. His assertions include the following:

  *   The basic plans of nuclear war today are essentially the same as those developed in the 1960s, which is essentially a system of thousands of nuclear weapons aimed at Russian cities and military targets ready to be launched at a moment’s notice.
  *   The US strategy has always been for a first strike: not necessarily a surprise attack but not an attack which came “second” in a nuclear war.
  *   Every US president, all the way to Trump, has used the threat of nuclear war as deterrence to their adversaries.
  *   The US threat of nuclear attack has precluded any “effective nonproliferation campaign” among other nation-states which have decided to acquire nuclear weapons themselves.
  *   US nuclear war plans, and the hypothetical and real scenarios under which they unfold, are far more extensive than the public can imagine. Ellsberg writes how the public perception of a “nuclear button” with one finger on it, presumably the President’s, is a lie. In fact, there are many fingers on many buttons, to delegate authority to launch nuclear missiles in case the President and the leadership were incapacitated. These same systems exist in Russia, and probably other nuclear-armed powers as well.
  *   The Cuban Missile Crisis was even more dangerous than previously thought, as demonstrated in a highly classified study in 1964 which was never made public until this book.
  *   The strategic nuclear war systems are much more prone to “accidents” and false alarms than previously thought, risking the threat of unauthorized launchings.
  *   The potential risk of nuclear war has been systematically covered up from the public, including the aforementioned graph showing hundreds of millions of deaths, a third of the planet at the time. Ellsberg notes that in 1961 when the document was made, it was two decades before the concept of nuclear winter and nuclear famine were accepted, which meant that in reality most humans would die along with most other large species after a nuclear war.

Perhaps the greatest value of Ellsberg’s work is its sense of urgency. Despite the fact that nuclear weapons stockpiles have decreased by 80 percent from their height in the 1960s just a small fraction of the existing arsenals would still kill all seven billion people alive today.

Yet the official public discourse treats the threat and fear of nuclear conflict as something of an anachronism from the Cold War era. Masses of people are simply not as aware of the dangers as previous generations. Even into the 1980s there were mass rallies opposing nuclear war, involving hundreds of thousands of people. The fear of a Third World War affected the culture of all the major industrialized countries of the world, prompting the building of fall-out shelters, duck-and-cover drills in classrooms, and immortal satire like Stanley Kubrick’s Dr. Strangelove .

Ellsberg warns that the threat of nuclear destruction has only increased since the end of the Cold War, precisely because the public sense of the dangers has steadily eroded, in addition to the American government’s quest for world hegemony as exemplified by the Trump administration. To his credit, Ellsberg writes that Trump is not an aberration from previous administration, but the fitting culmination of an insane system.

To underscore this point, in Chapter 20, Ellsberg writes how in many ways the bellicose threats from the “madman” Trump is little different from the “madman theory” pioneered by President Nixon and his national security advisor, Henry Kissinger. Ellsberg likens the threat of nuclear war by a nation as akin to a robber holding up a store with a gun. It matters not whether the gun or threat is real, what matters is that the robber threatens to use violence to get their way.

In this respect, we have the logic of Nixon’s and Trump’s threats on the world stage. The notion that the commander-in-chief whose finger is on the button is not mentally stable is supposed to be enough to get the opposing side to negotiate.

Ellsberg includes the following exchange between Nixon and Kissinger, based on a tape of Oval Office conversations regarding an ongoing North Vietnamese offensive from April 25, 1972:

Nixon: I still think we ought to take the dikes out now. Will that drown people?

Kissinger: About two hundred thousand people.

Nixon: No, no, no … I’d rather use the nuclear bomb. Have you got that, Henry?

Kissinger: That, I think would just be too much.

Nixon: The nuclear bomb, does that bother you? I just want you to think big, Henry, for Christ sakes.

This would not be the first or last time, nuclear weapons were threatened by the United States against another country. Ellsberg mentions how during the Korean War, both Truman and then Eisenhower threatened to drop nukes in order to get the Chinese to negotiate. However that is not all. Ellsberg then lists more than 25 such incidents throughout the Cold War of public and private nuclear threats by US presidents, some little known.

Of course, this list is incomplete. Ellsberg then illustrates how Presidents Bush and Obama have threatened nuclear war on Iran on several occasions. All the recent presidential contenders, including both Democrats and Republicans, have shown their willingness to use nuclear weapons as a kind of litmus test to prove to the ruling class their ruthlessness. Trump’s tweets are just the public and open version of what American presidents and presidential hopefuls have been doing for decades.

It is beyond the scope of this review to go into every chapter and detail, as fascinating and horrifying as it is. This reviewer simply recommends readers of the WSWS buy or at least rent the book to discover more.

This is not a book for late-night reading and yet one can’t put it down. When the pages have all been read, one doesn’t necessarily want to jump back into it, almost out of self-preservation, and so it lies around the table or book shelf upsetting the conscience like something out of “The Tell-Tale Heart” by Edgar Allen Poe. The best sort of books tend to do that.

It is essential to note that Ellsberg offers no serious solution to this existential crisis facing mankind, the greatest in our history. He is of the opinion that an informed citizenry can exert pressure on the existing political leaders and institutions. In our view, this is a futile perspective because, as Ellsberg’s books so eloquently explains, we are dealing not with individuals who may or may not be mad, but a system which is mad, namely, capitalism.

The Marxist would argue that dying capitalism can only offer two alternatives that Rosa Luxemburg called “socialism or barbarism.” Ellsberg, like many of his generation, sees the threat of omnicide, the destruction of the species, as something inherent in the human condition itself, thus minimizing the overall impact and seriousness of his work.

Despite this, The Doomsday Machine is an extremely prescient and important book. Ellsberg, now 87, has devoted his remaining years to speaking out against the approaching Third World War, and even more significant, makes the argument that it can and must be stopped.

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From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2018 19:30:55 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Tomorrow, Sunday, 4-6pm,
	'drop in' seminar on immigration begins
Message-ID: <CAKfUjSEW8gDHNJCo8+HNCatccWj42eGVm6qmuhDkrxNgWKAtXA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi friends---*School for Designing a Society* invites you to a weekly
community “drop-in” seminar on global/local immigration:
*"How can investigating issues about immigration lead to further/new
activist interventions in Champaign-Urbana?"*


Sundays (beginning Oct. 14 until December 2-- Come when you can)
4-6pm
School for Designing a Society
122 Franklin St., Urbana, IL
<https://maps.google.com/?q=122+Franklin+St.,+Urbana,+IL&entry=gmail&source=g>

(tea and coffee provided)


*Seminar Sessions will include these questions and formats:  *
- discussing how the atmosphere around immigration has changed (or not) in
the past 6 months; how can we use this change?
-how can we connect the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh as Supreme Court
Justice with the escalation of ICE activities?
- if we were to make new lawn signs around immigration policy, what would
they say?
-who benefits from current US immigration/deportation policies?
- if we make weekly puppet shows on immigration performed at Urbana’s
Farmer’s Market, what would be new content?
- Trump has proposed a new regulation called ‘Public Charge Rule’—what
is    that, and what actions should we take?
- testimonials by emigrant neighbors
- collecting news reports about detentions/deportations/travel bans
- collecting  info about working conditions in places where immigrants work
- analyzing right wing exploitation of anti-immigrant sentiment around the
  world
- researching pro-immigrant organizations in Illinois
- looking at labor organizing as it relates to immigration
-


This seminar is being organized at no cost to participants.
For info or to RSVP, please contact susanroseparenti at gmail.com



-- 
*Susan Parenti*
*Educational Coordinator *

*The School for Designing a Society *www.designingasociety.net

*Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!*
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From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 14:17:05 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Candidates in Richmond, Calif. podcast
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 14 14:17:05 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 14:17:05 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Candidates in Richmond, Calif. podcast
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB2382259B2838F1904194EBE9A3FC0@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

https://therealnews.com/stories/fierce-battle-for-state-assembly-between-socialist-and-obama-staffer-in-richmond-ca

From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 15:32:23 2018
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 10:32:23 -0500
Subject: [Peace] New Play by Susan Parenti debuts this Wednesday
Message-ID: <CAKfUjSEq5jyW-zYvo4er2_VHMz=YZ2p6iCAJqdJ6O7RNnPR_eA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi friends—I’ve written a new play called STOP THAT, about global warming
seen from the point of view of chickens—that is being performed by Inner
Voices Social Issues Theater.

It debuts this Wednesday, 8pm, at the Armory Free Theater, along with
another new play by J. Joseph Cox,  ‘The Good Fight’—also about
environmental justice.

These plays will be performed on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday of this
week, and also on Tuesday and Thursday of next week.

See you there?

Thanks

INNER VOICES Social Issues Theatre presents

STOP THAT

and other useful ideas

addressing environmental justice

featuring two new pieces selected from our 2018 National Call for Scripts


STOP THAT

in 13 scenes

by Susan Parenti


The Good Fight

a short play

by J. Joseph Cox


ARMORY FREE THEATRE (Room 160 Armory)

WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 17th @ 8:00 PM

THURSDAY OCTOBER 18th @ 8:00 PM

FRIDAY OCTOBER 19th @ 8:00 PM American Sign Language interpreted performance

INDEPENDENT MEDIA CENTER 202 S Broadway Ave, Urbana

TUESDAY OCTOBER 23rd 8:00 PM


LINCOLN AVENUE RESIDENCE HALL

THURSDAY OCTOBER 25th 8:00 PM

free and open to the public a discussion follows each performance
performance locations are wheelchair accessible

INNER VOICES Social Issues Theatre is sponsored by the Counseling Center
and the Department of Theatre at the University of Illinois
Urbana-Champaign These performances are sponsored in part by the Student
Sustainability Committee



-- 
*Susan Parenti*
*Educational Coordinator *

*The School for Designing a Society *www.designingasociety.net

*Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!*


-- 
*Susan Parenti*
*Educational Coordinator *

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 17 14:07:40 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:07:40 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Excellent discussion related to the history of US/SKA
 relations playing out now. Paul Jay and Ben Norton
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB238268623300B3739DCA5C36A3FF0@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

https://therealnews.com/stories/paul-jay-on-the-us-saudi-special-relationship

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 17 14:07:40 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:07:40 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Excellent discussion related to the history of US/SKA
 relations playing out now. Paul Jay and Ben Norton
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB238268623300B3739DCA5C36A3FF0@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

https://therealnews.com/stories/paul-jay-on-the-us-saudi-special-relationship

From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 15:26:36 2018
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:26:36 -0500
Subject: [Peace] New play by Susan Parenti opens tonight, 8pm,
	Armory Free Theater
Message-ID: <CAKfUjSHrD+GJnJYg92kf5QddSF39bjhp6v9mTHMVB1c7Z-BZyQ@mail.gmail.com>

STOP THAT

and other useful ideas

addressing environmental justice

featuring two new pieces selected from our 2018 National Call for Scripts


STOP THAT

in 13 scenes

by Susan Parenti


The Good Fight

a short play

by J. Joseph Cox


ARMORY FREE THEATRE (Room 160 Armory)

WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 17th @ 8:00 PM

THURSDAY OCTOBER 18th @ 8:00 PM

FRIDAY OCTOBER 19th @ 8:00 PM American Sign Language interpreted performance

INDEPENDENT MEDIA CENTER 202 S Broadway Ave, Urbana

TUESDAY OCTOBER 23rd 8:00 PM


LINCOLN AVENUE RESIDENCE HALL

THURSDAY OCTOBER 25th 8:00 PM

free and open to the public a discussion follows each performance
performance locations are wheelchair accessible

INNER VOICES Social Issues Theatre is sponsored by the Counseling Center
and the Department of Theatre at the University of Illinois
Urbana-Champaign These performances are sponsored in part by the Student
Sustainability Committee


-- 
*Susan Parenti*
*Educational Coordinator *

*The School for Designing a Society *www.designingasociety.net

*Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!*
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 16:05:12 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 11:05:12 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Excellent discussion related to the history of US/SKA
 relations playing out now. Paul Jay and Ben Norton
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR08MB238268623300B3739DCA5C36A3FF0@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAOiGAyHqm8F65jbC9hJX=VHk+BsYBMWz6xJdxFe18vzC_qiCLQ@mail.gmail.com>

I also highly recommend the interview with the Angry Arab:

https://therealnews.com/stories/duplicitous-khashoggi-picked-the-wrong-prince

with transcript

and a podcast with Ali AlAhmed interviewed by Ben Norton and Max
Blumenthal, 58 minutes, no transcript:

https://soundcloud.com/moderaterebels/saudi-arabia-dissident-ali-al-ahmed-khashoggi-journalist-yemen-episode-27



On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 9:08 AM Karen Aram via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

>
> https://therealnews.com/stories/paul-jay-on-the-us-saudi-special-relationship
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 17 16:50:58 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:50:58 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Excellent discussion related to the history of US/SKA
 relations playing out now. Paul Jay and Ben Norton
In-Reply-To: <CAOiGAyHqm8F65jbC9hJX=VHk+BsYBMWz6xJdxFe18vzC_qiCLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MWHPR08MB238268623300B3739DCA5C36A3FF0@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAOiGAyHqm8F65jbC9hJX=VHk+BsYBMWz6xJdxFe18vzC_qiCLQ@mail.gmail.com>
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David

I’ve heard all three, and I recommend Paul Jay’s coverage specifically because he presents the broad picture, beginning with WW2 and US relations in a very clear and concise manner. He speaks slowly enough in a manner the others don’t.

Paul speaks to the average American, who is less involved in politics, and he clarifies the role the US plays in all.


On Oct 17, 2018, at 09:05, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com<mailto:davidgreen50 at gmail.com>> wrote:

I also highly recommend the interview with the Angry Arab:

https://therealnews.com/stories/duplicitous-khashoggi-picked-the-wrong-prince

with transcript

and a podcast with Ali AlAhmed interviewed by Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal, 58 minutes, no transcript:

https://soundcloud.com/moderaterebels/saudi-arabia-dissident-ali-al-ahmed-khashoggi-journalist-yemen-episode-27



On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 9:08 AM Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
https://therealnews.com/stories/paul-jay-on-the-us-saudi-special-relationship
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 18 22:21:42 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 22:21:42 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: [unac] A Call for a Mass Mobilization to Oppose NATO,
 War & Racism
References: <CA+4VbBfEXWUPA1+U9paLz7RTpTpcGLgdcBONcOrTO2iLGNZqSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB23826BB5A30469CB03190B4AA3F80@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>


[http://nepajac.org/UNACbanner1.jpg]


A Call for a Mass Mobilization to Oppose NATO, War & Racism
Protest NATO, Washington, DC, Lafayette Park (across from the White House)
1 PM Saturday, March 30, 2019.
Additional actions will take place on Thursday April 4 at the opening of the NATO meeting

April 4, 2019, will mark the 51st anniversary of the assassination of the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., the internationally revered leader in struggles against racism, poverty and war.

And yet, in a grotesque desecration of Rev. King’s lifelong dedication to peace, this is the date that the military leaders of the North American Treaty Organization have chosen to celebrate NATO’s 70th anniversary by holding its annual summit meeting in Washington, D.C. This is a deliberate insult to Rev. King and a clear message that Black lives and the lives of non-European humanity really do not matter.

It was exactly one year before he was murdered that Rev. King gave his famous speech opposing the U.S. war in Vietnam, calling the U.S. government “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world” and declaring that he could not be silent.

We cannot be silent either. Since its founding, the U.S.-led NATO has been the world's deadliest military alliance, causing untold suffering and devastation throughout Northern Africa, the Middle East and beyond.

Hundreds of thousands have died in U.S./NATO wars in Iraq, Libya, Somalia and Yugoslavia. Millions of refugees are now risking their lives trying to escape the carnage that these wars have brought to their homelands, while workers in the 29 NATO member-countries are told they must abandon hard-won social programs in order to meet U.S. demands for even more military spending.

Every year when NATO holds its summits, there have been massive protests: in Chicago, Wales, Warsaw, Brussels. 2019 will be no exception.

The United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC) is calling for a mass mobilization in Washington, D.C., on Saturday, March 30.  Additional actions will take place on April 4 at the opening of the NATO meeting.

We invite you to join with us in this effort. As Rev. King taught us, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."

No to NATO!
End All U.S. Wars at Home and Abroad!
Bring the Troops Home Now!
No to Racism!
The Administrative Committee of UNAC,

To add your endorsement to this call, please go here: http://www.no2nato2019.org/endorse-the-action.html





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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 18 22:21:42 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 22:21:42 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: [unac] A Call for a Mass Mobilization to Oppose NATO,
 War & Racism
References: <CA+4VbBfEXWUPA1+U9paLz7RTpTpcGLgdcBONcOrTO2iLGNZqSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB23826BB5A30469CB03190B4AA3F80@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>


[http://nepajac.org/UNACbanner1.jpg]


A Call for a Mass Mobilization to Oppose NATO, War & Racism
Protest NATO, Washington, DC, Lafayette Park (across from the White House)
1 PM Saturday, March 30, 2019.
Additional actions will take place on Thursday April 4 at the opening of the NATO meeting

April 4, 2019, will mark the 51st anniversary of the assassination of the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., the internationally revered leader in struggles against racism, poverty and war.

And yet, in a grotesque desecration of Rev. King’s lifelong dedication to peace, this is the date that the military leaders of the North American Treaty Organization have chosen to celebrate NATO’s 70th anniversary by holding its annual summit meeting in Washington, D.C. This is a deliberate insult to Rev. King and a clear message that Black lives and the lives of non-European humanity really do not matter.

It was exactly one year before he was murdered that Rev. King gave his famous speech opposing the U.S. war in Vietnam, calling the U.S. government “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world” and declaring that he could not be silent.

We cannot be silent either. Since its founding, the U.S.-led NATO has been the world's deadliest military alliance, causing untold suffering and devastation throughout Northern Africa, the Middle East and beyond.

Hundreds of thousands have died in U.S./NATO wars in Iraq, Libya, Somalia and Yugoslavia. Millions of refugees are now risking their lives trying to escape the carnage that these wars have brought to their homelands, while workers in the 29 NATO member-countries are told they must abandon hard-won social programs in order to meet U.S. demands for even more military spending.

Every year when NATO holds its summits, there have been massive protests: in Chicago, Wales, Warsaw, Brussels. 2019 will be no exception.

The United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC) is calling for a mass mobilization in Washington, D.C., on Saturday, March 30.  Additional actions will take place on April 4 at the opening of the NATO meeting.

We invite you to join with us in this effort. As Rev. King taught us, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."

No to NATO!
End All U.S. Wars at Home and Abroad!
Bring the Troops Home Now!
No to Racism!
The Administrative Committee of UNAC,

To add your endorsement to this call, please go here: http://www.no2nato2019.org/endorse-the-action.html





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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 21:40:40 2018
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 16:40:40 -0500
Subject: [Peace] New Play by Parenti tonight, Friday, 8pm, Armory Theater
References: <CAKfUjSEq5jyW-zYvo4er2_VHMz=YZ2p6iCAJqdJ6O7RNnPR_eA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A33D0694-AADF-4269-ABE0-E68590D17FB3@gmail.com>


> Global warming discussed by 2 chickens. 
> INNER VOICES Social Issues Theatre presents
> 
> STOP THAT
> 
> and other useful ideas
> 
> addressing environmental justice
> 
> featuring two new pieces selected from our 2018 National Call for Scripts
> 
> 
> 
> STOP THAT 
> 
> in 13 scenes 
> 
> by Susan Parenti
> 
> 
> 
> The Good Fight 
> 
> a short play 
> 
> by J. Joseph Cox
> 
> 
> 
> ARMORY FREE THEATRE (Room 160 Armory) 
> 
> WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 17th @ 8:00 PM 
> 
> THURSDAY OCTOBER 18th @ 8:00 PM 
> 
> FRIDAY OCTOBER 19th @ 8:00 PM American Sign Language interpreted performance
> 
> INDEPENDENT MEDIA CENTER 202 S Broadway Ave, Urbana 
> 
> TUESDAY OCTOBER 23rd 8:00 PM
> 
> 
> 
> LINCOLN AVENUE RESIDENCE HALL 
> 
> THURSDAY OCTOBER 25th 8:00 PM
> 
> free and open to the public a discussion follows each performance performance locations are wheelchair accessible
> 
> INNER VOICES Social Issues Theatre is sponsored by the Counseling Center and the Department of Theatre at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign These performances are sponsored in part by the Student Sustainability Committee 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Susan Parenti
> Educational Coordinator 
> 
> The School for Designing a Society www.designingasociety.net <http://www.designingasociety.net/>
> 
> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Susan Parenti
> Educational Coordinator 
> 
> The School for Designing a Society www.designingasociety.net <http://www.designingasociety.net/>
> 
> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 20 11:37:13 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 11:37:13 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Countdown to March on the Pentagon
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB2382BB9468C8EEBA21C4AF54A3FA0@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

[Cindy Sheehan's Soapbox]<https://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/>

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SATURDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2018
COUNTDOWN TO WOMEN'S MARCH ON THE PENTAGON: "WE'RE HERE" (PRESS ADVISORY)
October 20- For immediate release

Media Contact: Cindy Sheehan: CindySheehan at MarchonPentagon.com<mailto:CindySheehan at marchonpentagon.com>
707-317-8586

PRESS ADVISORY

Countdown to Women’s March on the Pentagon
We're Here

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Women’s March on the Pentagon (WMOP) is excited to announce we are ready and rarin’ to go for our long anticipated march and rally at ground-zero for US imperialism.

This is our schedule of events for the weekend of October 20-21:

Saturday, October 20:

St. Stephen’s of the Incarnation Episcopal Church
1525 Newton NW
(Free, but donations to cover costs of space and refreshments will be accepted)

1-5:30pm

Workshops covering:


-Women’s Basic Self-defense
-Protest Music History and Current Practice
-Alternative Media and Citizen Journalism
-What’s Really Happening in Yemen
-The Doctrine and Practice of Civil Resistance



5:30 to 8pm
(St. Stephen’s)

Meet and Greet and Open Mic Night.
Hosted by CODEPINK

Sunday, October 21st

11am

Begin gathering at Pentagon City Metro Station
(Click for DC Metro Info)

12 noon to 12:45pm

March on Pentagon


1pm to 4pm

Rally at Pentagon
(Click for Speaker/Performer Line-up)<https://www.marchonpentagon.com/march>

4pm to 6pm
Clean Up
(Stay to help us, please!)


Monday, October 22

11:30am to 1:30pm

Non-violent Act of Civil Assistance
We will be feeding the homeless in a local park in an act of real civil assistance, not symbolic civil resistance (which is good too in its place)

(Place will be announced at Rally and on Website, and Facebook Event Page on October 21)

For more information or to schedule an interview with a speaker/performer or organizer, please contact

Cindy Sheehan at: CindySheehan at MarchonPentagon.com<mailto:CindySheehan at marchonpentagon.com>
or
Emma Fiala at: Emma at MarchonPentagon.com<mailto:Emma at marchonpentagon.com>
or
Bonnie Caracciolo at: bosmarch2018 at gmail.com<mailto:bosmarch2018 at gmail.com>


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WMOP IN THE NEWS:




CINDY SHEEHAN ON RT

CINDY SHEEHAN ON FLASHPOINTS<https://kpfa.org/episode/flashpoints-october-19-2018/>

CINDY SHEEHAN AND BONNIE CARACCIOLO ON LOUD AND CLEAR.<https://www.spreaker.com/user/radiosputnik/us-war-drive-is-big-business-women-prepa_1?fbclid=IwAR3VMT__ASIfxbVE29m4qQ81_A4qRny0QO1W6rvoI9rsmZnV4o2Oiu0zVq4>


Women’s March on the Pentagon: How To Attend in D.C. & Around the Country<https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/womens-march-on-the-pentagon-time-locations/>
Anti-War Women to Washington<https://sputniknews.com/cartoons/201810201069049415-anti-war-women-march-washington/>
Peace Protesters Prepare to Storm the Pentagon<https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201810201069050179-Peace-Protesters-Prepare-Pentagon/>
US Activist Urges Politicians To End Militaristic Paradigm, Redirect Funds To Social Needs<https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/us-activist-urges-politicians-to-end-militari-460223.html>

Disclaimer: This is NOT a pink-pussy-hatted event to only oppose Trump and Get Out the Vote for the treacherous and warmongering Democrats: This is a principled non-partisan march on the bi-partisan US war machine.
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 20 11:37:13 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 11:37:13 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Countdown to March on the Pentagon
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB2382BB9468C8EEBA21C4AF54A3FA0@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

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SATURDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2018
COUNTDOWN TO WOMEN'S MARCH ON THE PENTAGON: "WE'RE HERE" (PRESS ADVISORY)
October 20- For immediate release

Media Contact: Cindy Sheehan: CindySheehan at MarchonPentagon.com<mailto:CindySheehan at marchonpentagon.com>
707-317-8586

PRESS ADVISORY

Countdown to Women’s March on the Pentagon
We're Here

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Women’s March on the Pentagon (WMOP) is excited to announce we are ready and rarin’ to go for our long anticipated march and rally at ground-zero for US imperialism.

This is our schedule of events for the weekend of October 20-21:

Saturday, October 20:

St. Stephen’s of the Incarnation Episcopal Church
1525 Newton NW
(Free, but donations to cover costs of space and refreshments will be accepted)

1-5:30pm

Workshops covering:


-Women’s Basic Self-defense
-Protest Music History and Current Practice
-Alternative Media and Citizen Journalism
-What’s Really Happening in Yemen
-The Doctrine and Practice of Civil Resistance



5:30 to 8pm
(St. Stephen’s)

Meet and Greet and Open Mic Night.
Hosted by CODEPINK

Sunday, October 21st

11am

Begin gathering at Pentagon City Metro Station
(Click for DC Metro Info)

12 noon to 12:45pm

March on Pentagon


1pm to 4pm

Rally at Pentagon
(Click for Speaker/Performer Line-up)<https://www.marchonpentagon.com/march>

4pm to 6pm
Clean Up
(Stay to help us, please!)


Monday, October 22

11:30am to 1:30pm

Non-violent Act of Civil Assistance
We will be feeding the homeless in a local park in an act of real civil assistance, not symbolic civil resistance (which is good too in its place)

(Place will be announced at Rally and on Website, and Facebook Event Page on October 21)

For more information or to schedule an interview with a speaker/performer or organizer, please contact

Cindy Sheehan at: CindySheehan at MarchonPentagon.com<mailto:CindySheehan at marchonpentagon.com>
or
Emma Fiala at: Emma at MarchonPentagon.com<mailto:Emma at marchonpentagon.com>
or
Bonnie Caracciolo at: bosmarch2018 at gmail.com<mailto:bosmarch2018 at gmail.com>


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WMOP IN THE NEWS:




CINDY SHEEHAN ON RT

CINDY SHEEHAN ON FLASHPOINTS<https://kpfa.org/episode/flashpoints-october-19-2018/>

CINDY SHEEHAN AND BONNIE CARACCIOLO ON LOUD AND CLEAR.<https://www.spreaker.com/user/radiosputnik/us-war-drive-is-big-business-women-prepa_1?fbclid=IwAR3VMT__ASIfxbVE29m4qQ81_A4qRny0QO1W6rvoI9rsmZnV4o2Oiu0zVq4>


Women’s March on the Pentagon: How To Attend in D.C. & Around the Country<https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/womens-march-on-the-pentagon-time-locations/>
Anti-War Women to Washington<https://sputniknews.com/cartoons/201810201069049415-anti-war-women-march-washington/>
Peace Protesters Prepare to Storm the Pentagon<https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201810201069050179-Peace-Protesters-Prepare-Pentagon/>
US Activist Urges Politicians To End Militaristic Paradigm, Redirect Funds To Social Needs<https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/us-activist-urges-politicians-to-end-militari-460223.html>

Disclaimer: This is NOT a pink-pussy-hatted event to only oppose Trump and Get Out the Vote for the treacherous and warmongering Democrats: This is a principled non-partisan march on the bi-partisan US war machine.
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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Sat Oct 20 16:38:42 2018
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 11:38:42 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Immigration Seminar Sunday,
 4-6pm: Trump's new immigration policy "Public Charge Rule"
Message-ID: <CAKfUjSF+DLkoyxwLNBXVMjg8rrn=dDQ0HdspxJOQ1ATPqXYDDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi friends---*School for Designing a Society* invites you to a weekly
community “drop-in” seminar on global/local immigration*. *




*This Sunday, Oct. 21, Zoe Foote of the YMCA New American Welcome Center
will explain Trump's new repressive policy on immigration, called "Public
Charge Rule"--what it does, what we can do in response. *


Can we make brief puppet shows that would help other people understand what
'Public Charge Rule' is, and what they can do?


4-6pm School for Designing a Society 122 Franklin St., Urbana, IL
<https://maps.google.com/?q=122+Franklin+St.,+Urbana,+IL&entry=gmail&source=g>

(tea and coffee provided)



-- 
*Susan Parenti*
*Educational Coordinator *

*The School for Designing a Society *www.designingasociety.net

*Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!*
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From cgestabrook at gmail.com  Sun Oct 21 02:45:24 2018
From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 21:45:24 -0500
Subject: [Peace] News from Neptune for 19 October 2018
Message-ID: <37EDC53D-B152-4250-B1B6-E34C29A72972@gmail.com>

News from Neptune #399 -- "Cutting up people alive" edition
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17-5Gafden0

Links to articles mentioned in the episode:

Limousine crash in upstate New York/FBI sting operation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Newburgh_Sting

1h55m preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UziAIBbyiL0

Richard French talks to the co-director of the HBO documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmYPiMX2_Ms

Nick Pemberton on "Reflections on Chomsky’s Voting Strategy: Why The Democratic Party Can’t Be Saved"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/10/19/reflections-on-chomskys-voting-strategy-why-the-democratic-party-cant-be-saved/

Eileen Appelbaum on "Jobs, Pensions Lost in Sears Bankruptcy, but Hedge Fund King Gets Paid"
http://cepr.net/blogs/cepr-blog/jobs-pensions-lost-in-sears-bankruptcy-but-hedge-fund-king-gets-paid

[J.B.Nicholson]

-J

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 21 18:38:12 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 18:38:12 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Chris Hedges podcast......
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB2382C828FEEDC5392935A100A3FB0@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

A good one……..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBcOyv8LZ8s

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 21 18:38:12 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 18:38:12 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Chris Hedges podcast......
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB2382C828FEEDC5392935A100A3FB0@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

A good one……..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBcOyv8LZ8s

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:54:03 +0000
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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 01:07:13 2018
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:07:13 -0500
Subject: [Peace] New play by Susan Parenti, directed by Lisa Fay,
 performed tomorrow Tuesday at the IMC, 8pm
In-Reply-To: <CAKfUjSEq5jyW-zYvo4er2_VHMz=YZ2p6iCAJqdJ6O7RNnPR_eA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi friends—I’ve written a new play called STOP THAT, about global warming seen from the point of view of chickens—that is being performed by Inner Voices Social Issues Theater. The play is kid friendly, chickie friendly. 
> 
> The play is being performed along with another new play by J. Joseph Cox,  ‘The Good Fight’—also about environmental justice. 
> 
> See you there?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> INNER VOICES Social Issues Theatre presents
> 
> STOP THAT
> 
> and other useful ideas
> 
> addressing environmental justice
> 
> featuring two new pieces selected from our 2018 National Call for Scripts
> 
> 
> 
> STOP THAT 
> 
> in 13 scenes 
> 
> by Susan Parenti
> 
> 
> 
> The Good Fight 
> 
> a short play 
> 
> by J. Joseph Cox
> 
> 
> 
> ARMORY FREE THEATRE (Room 160 Armory) 
> 
> WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 17th @ 8:00 PM 
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> THURSDAY OCTOBER 18th @ 8:00 PM 
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> FRIDAY OCTOBER 19th @ 8:00 PM American Sign Language interpreted performance
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> INDEPENDENT MEDIA CENTER 202 S Broadway Ave, Urbana 
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> TUESDAY OCTOBER 23rd 8:00 PM
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> 
> 
> LINCOLN AVENUE RESIDENCE HALL 
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> THURSDAY OCTOBER 25th 8:00 PM
> 
> free and open to the public a discussion follows each performance performance locations are wheelchair accessible
> 
> INNER VOICES Social Issues Theatre is sponsored by the Counseling Center and the Department of Theatre at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign These performances are sponsored in part by the Student Sustainability Committee 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Susan Parenti
> Educational Coordinator 
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> The School for Designing a Society www.designingasociety.net <http://www.designingasociety.net/>
> 
> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!
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> 
> -- 
> Susan Parenti
> Educational Coordinator 
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> The School for Designing a Society www.designingasociety.net <http://www.designingasociety.net/>
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> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!

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From susanroseparenti at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 00:04:45 2018
From: susanroseparenti at gmail.com (Susan Parenti)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 19:04:45 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Last Performance of New Play by S.Parenti tomorrow, Thursday,
 8pm, Lincoln Avenue Residence Hall
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Global warming from the point of view of 2 chickens.
A great short play by J. Joseph Cox comes first, then STOP THAT. 
> 
> 
> INNER VOICES Social Issues Theatre presents
> 
> STOP THAT
> 
> and other useful ideas
> 
> addressing environmental justice
> 
> featuring two new pieces selected from our 2018 National Call for Scripts
> 
> 
> 
> STOP THAT 
> 
> in 13 scenes 
> 
> by Susan Parenti
> 
> 
> 
> The Good Fight 
> 
> a short play 
> 
> by J. Joseph Cox
> 
> LINCOLN AVENUE RESIDENCE HALL 
> 
> THURSDAY OCTOBER 25th 8:00 PM
> 
> free and open to the public a discussion follows each performance performance locations are wheelchair accessible
> 
> INNER VOICES Social Issues Theatre is sponsored by the Counseling Center and the Department of Theatre at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign These performances are sponsored in part by the Student Sustainability Committee 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Susan Parenti
> Educational Coordinator 
> 
> The School for Designing a Society www.designingasociety.net <http://www.designingasociety.net/>
> 
> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Susan Parenti
> Educational Coordinator 
> 
> The School for Designing a Society www.designingasociety.net <http://www.designingasociety.net/>
> 
> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/designasociety>!

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From niloofar.peace at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 22:16:31 2018
From: niloofar.peace at gmail.com (Niloofar Shambayati)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:16:31 -0500
Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Ford Fischer - My info
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Below is the link to the original livestream of the Women's March on
Pentagon.

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From: Ford Fischer <fordfischervideo at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: Ford Fischer - My info
To: Niloofar Shambayati <niloofar.peace at gmail.com>


Check out my YouTube channel though and you’ll see the videos I’ve put out,
including the 4.5 hour livestream of the whole thing!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbBm6SZ235HFxwVKC7Po5IA?app=desktop

This was the original livestream with the live views/reactions and stuff!
https://www.facebook.com/N2Sreports/videos/303558080478049/

I got HD videos of more speeches than just the ones on the channel. If
there’s anything on the livestream you want a higher quality version of, I
can check and see if I have it!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 24, 2018, at 12:46 AM, Niloofar Shambayati <niloofar.peace at gmail.com>
wrote:

Hey Ford,

It was a pleasure meeting you at the workshop and learning about the
important independent journalism and videography you've been doing. I went
to News2share for the coverage of the women's march on Pentagon but was
unable to find it. Where should I be looking for it?

In solidarity,
Niloofar

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 4:18 PM Ford Fischer <fordfischervideo at gmail.com>
wrote:

> News2Share.com
> @fordfischer and @n2sreports on twitter
> Ford Fischer and News2Share on Facebook
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> SUPPORT US: Patreon.com/fordfischer
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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Fri Oct 26 19:38:13 2018
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 19:38:13 +0000
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Bombs that explode only politically
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Who do we BLAME?  V102418

“ Are the pipe-bombs - none of which went off - a false-flag by the 'intelligence community' (FBI, CIA et al.) to convince mid-term voters to support the neoliberal/neoconservative establishment (more war & more inequality) - and of course to convince the Trump administration & reluctant Republicans to continue the belligerent Obama-Clinton policies? “  (10/24/18, 6:24 pm)

——

'False Flag’ Theory on Pipe Bombs Zooms From Right-Wing Fringe to Mainstream

Explosive devices were sent this week to CNN, at the Time Warner Center in Manhattan, as well as to prominent Democrats and critics of the president.

By Kevin Roose<https://www.nytimes.com/by/kevin-roose> NYT  Oct. 25, 2018

Just hours after the news broke this week that explosive devices had been sent to Bill and Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and other prominent Democrats, a conspiracy theory began to take shape in certain corners of conservative media.
The bombs, this theory went, were not actually part of a plot to harm Democrats, but were a “false flag” operation concocted by leftists in order to paint conservatives as violent radicals ahead of the elections next month.
“These ‘Suspicious Package’ stories are false flags, carefully planned for the midterms,” tweeted<https://twitter.com/JacobAWohl/status/1055105429712207872> Jacob Wohl, a pro-Trump internet troll who writes for Gateway Pundit, a right-wing news site.

By nightfall, as more explosives were discovered addressed to Representative Maxine Waters, a California Democrat, and Eric H. Holder Jr., an attorney general under Mr. Obama, the fact-free explanation had gelled: The bombs were props, planted by Democratic operatives and amplified by a biased liberal media. A woman arrived at a debate between the two candidates for Florida governor, Ron DeSantis and Andrew Gillum,<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/us/politics/gillum-desantis-florida-debate.html?module=inline> with a sign that read “Democrats Fake News Fake Bombs.” Lou Dobbs, the Fox Business host and confidant of President Trump, echoed that line in a tweet<https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/25/media/lou-dobbs-fake-bombs/index.html> that he later deleted.

Conspiratorial thinking has always been with us — the grassy knoll, the moon landing, the Freemasons. But it has been turbocharged in the Trump era, as cable news networks and pliant social media networks allow hastily assembled theories to spread to millions in an instant. Often, by the time the official, evidence-based explanation has taken shape, it has already been drowned out by a megaphonic chorus of cranks and attention-hungry partisans.
“The process by which something gets called a false flag has accelerated,” said Anna Merlan, the author of “Republic of Lies,” a coming book about conspiracy theories. “People who make a living conspiracy-peddling are in an arms race with each other, so there’s a rush to stake out that territory and start spinning their narratives about what happened.”
[READ MORE: Two more bombs<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/26/nyregion/cnn-cory-booker-pipe-bombs-sent.html?module=inline> have been found, authorities said on Friday.]
Within hours of the first bomb’s discovery, conservative media figures were openly speculating about the true motives behind the campaign. Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and other high-profile commentators flocked to an alternative narrative that could explain the targeted threats to top Democrats without blaming those Democrats’ political opponents.
“Republicans just don’t do this kind of thing,” Mr. Limbaugh said on his radio show. (Critics quickly provided<https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1055137480863858688> Mr. Limbaugh with plenty of counterexamples, including abortion clinic bombings committed by right-wing extremists.)
As prominent conservatives tiptoed around the conspiracy theory swamps, the right-wing internet dove in headfirst. Users on a pro-Trump Reddit forum called r/the_donald frantically assembled evidence to buttress the unfounded theory that the bombs were a left-wing setup. Conservatives on Facebook and Twitter distilled the theory into memes and talking points that were shared thousands of times<https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/pipe-bomb-hoaxes-conspiracies-misinformation-debunked?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc>. Groups originally formed to promote QAnon, a sprawling pro-Trump conspiracy theory, latched on and turned up the volume even higher.

Historically, “false flag” conspiracy theories — named for a naval maneuver in which a ship flies a different country’s flag in order to trick enemies into retreating or to facilitate an escape — have remained on the edges of American discourse. Alex Jones, the conspiracy-theory-loving Infowars founder, was labeled a crank and worse for theorizing that the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were an “inside job,” and suggesting that the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School was an elaborate hoax concocted in order to promote gun control.
Mr. Jones has been largely pushed <https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/04/technology/alex-jones-infowars-bans-traffic.html?module=inline> to the fringes of the internet — kicked off Twitter, Facebook and a dozen other services — and his cries for attention now seem mostly pitiful. (This week, he was filmed yelling at a pile of manure<https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/InfoWars-host-Alex-Jones-filmed-screaming-at-pile-13329479.php> outside a rally for President Trump in Texas.)

But his spirit lives on in the larger universe of pro-Trump media, which has fused the conspiratorial grandeur of Infowars with an unshakable faith in Mr. Trump’s righteousness. Conspiracy theorists who might once have resorted to handing out subway pamphlets and shouting from street corners have found hungry, durable audiences on cable news shows and social networks. And false flag philosophy — the idea that powerful groups stage threats and tragic events to advance their agendas — is now a bizarrely common element of national news stories.
“The reason we’re seeing more false flag narratives is not that there are necessarily more of them, but that they’re more visible,” Ms. Merlan said. “It’s much easier for a casual news consumer to see them on Twitter.”
Conspiracy theories most often rise around fast-moving news events, like mass shootings and bomb threats, in which fuzzy initial reports often give way to more accurate explanations later on. And sometimes, those questioning the most apparent motives turn out to be justified.

Last year, a string of bomb threats against Jewish institutions in the United States was thought to be an act of anti-Semitic intimidation until police apprehended a Jewish teenager in Israel<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/jcc-bomb-threats.html?module=inline>, whom they suspected of making the threats. The 2016 mass shooting at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando was thought to be an anti-L.G.B.T. hate crime until further evidence suggested<https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/5/17202026/pulse-shooting-lgbtq-trump-terror-hate> the shooter had no idea it was a gay club.

One appeal of heat-of-the-moment conspiracy theories is that they allow for blame-shifting. Candace Owens, a right-wing activist and media personality who has been invited to the White House<https://www.axios.com/trump-huddles-with-charlie-kirk-and-candace-owens-5c56ee7d-89ec-48b5-ae0f-88dde581e67b.html>, earlier this week responded to the bombs by tweeting that “these leftists are going ALL OUT for midterms.” (Ms. Owens, who is now the communications director for the conservative student group Turning Point USA, appeared<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKNzKUSgyeo> on Infowars with Mr. Jones as recently as last year.) She later deleted the tweet, but wrote another one in which she said that she still believed that “when it comes to political violence, the left is the likely culprit.”

There are structural reasons for the conspiracy theory boom. Social media platforms like YouTube, Reddit and Facebook have allowed fringe thinkers to bypass traditional gatekeepers and reach millions of people directly. In addition, the dominance of Fox News and other partisan media outlets has created a flourishing market for conspiracy-driven outrage. And a polarized electorate has eagerly lapped up explanations for major news events that conform to their views.
The desire for politically convenient explanations is not contained to the right. Soon after the bombs were reported, and before key facts about them were known, liberals on Twitter adopted the term “MAGAbomb” to describe the campaign, referring both to the explosive devices and to Mr. Trump’s signature rallying cry.

It is Mr. Trump, of course, who has done more than any other prominent figure to promote (or in the case of the racist conspiracy theory about Mr. Obama’s birth certificate, to popularize) a number of conspiracy theories. Other theories have taken root among his followers — like Pizzagate, QAnon<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/01/us/politics/what-is-qanon.html?module=inline> and the baseless, sensational claims<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/19/us/politics/christine-blasey-ford-kavanaughs-fact-check.html?module=inline> made about Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who accused Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh of sexual assault — often without official censure.
“We have a president who pushes these ideas because he built a coalition that believes in conspiracy theories,” said Joseph Uscinski, an associate professor of political science at the University of Miami who studies conspiracy theories. “He has to continue pushing these ideas to keep his people motivated.”
Conspiracy theories play especially well on social media, which amplifies provocative and engaging content by design and often rewards misinformation with increased distribution. One study published this year, led by M.I.T. researchers<https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/03/largest-study-ever-fake-news-mit-twitter/555104/>, found that on Twitter, falsehoods were 70 percent more likely to be retweeted than accurate news.

Conspiracy theories are not false news, exactly. They often rely on a speck of doubt, or a gap in the evidentiary trail, to make a bold claim, even if they ignore some of the other available proof. But they do travel over the same networks, and stand out from more accurate — if predictable — stories in much the same way.

Fact-checking, long offered as a possible antidote to misinformation, is not likely to solve the problem. The available data on the effectiveness of fact-checking, especially on social media, is mixed<https://www.poynter.org/news/what-does-research-say-about-fact-checking-find-out-our-new-database>. Facebook halted a program last year that labeled false news stories with red flags, after finding<https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/27/facebook-false-news/> that the labels actually induced more people to click. The company’s current approach is to decrease the visibility of stories labeled false by third-party fact-checkers, in hopes of starving them of oxygen.

The real solution, of course, is likely to be cultural, rather than technological. A White House occupied by a conspiracist-in-chief is not likely to do much to quell the spread of implausible narratives, nor is a conservative media apparatus that profits from the popularity of these theories. As long as Mr. Trump is in office, conspiracy theorists will continue to raise the specter of false flags, and some in power will feel empowered to take them seriously.

“If we had President Jeb Bush, we wouldn’t be wondering if he believed these theories,” Mr. Uscinski said.

(The New York Times needs your help. We’re looking for false information being spread deliberately to confuse, mislead, or influence voters ahead of the 2018 midterm elections. Click here to tell us what you’re seeing<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/17/technology/disinformation-tipsheet.html?module=inline>.)¶<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/17/technology/disinformation-tipsheet.html?module=inline#link-355c189e>

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From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 19:38:13 +0000
Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Bombs that explode only politically
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Who do we BLAME?  V102418

“ Are the pipe-bombs - none of which went off - a false-flag by the 'intelligence community' (FBI, CIA et al.) to convince mid-term voters to support the neoliberal/neoconservative establishment (more war & more inequality) - and of course to convince the Trump administration & reluctant Republicans to continue the belligerent Obama-Clinton policies? “  (10/24/18, 6:24 pm)

——

'False Flag’ Theory on Pipe Bombs Zooms From Right-Wing Fringe to Mainstream

Explosive devices were sent this week to CNN, at the Time Warner Center in Manhattan, as well as to prominent Democrats and critics of the president.

By Kevin Roose<https://www.nytimes.com/by/kevin-roose> NYT  Oct. 25, 2018

Just hours after the news broke this week that explosive devices had been sent to Bill and Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and other prominent Democrats, a conspiracy theory began to take shape in certain corners of conservative media.
The bombs, this theory went, were not actually part of a plot to harm Democrats, but were a “false flag” operation concocted by leftists in order to paint conservatives as violent radicals ahead of the elections next month.
“These ‘Suspicious Package’ stories are false flags, carefully planned for the midterms,” tweeted<https://twitter.com/JacobAWohl/status/1055105429712207872> Jacob Wohl, a pro-Trump internet troll who writes for Gateway Pundit, a right-wing news site.

By nightfall, as more explosives were discovered addressed to Representative Maxine Waters, a California Democrat, and Eric H. Holder Jr., an attorney general under Mr. Obama, the fact-free explanation had gelled: The bombs were props, planted by Democratic operatives and amplified by a biased liberal media. A woman arrived at a debate between the two candidates for Florida governor, Ron DeSantis and Andrew Gillum,<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/us/politics/gillum-desantis-florida-debate.html?module=inline> with a sign that read “Democrats Fake News Fake Bombs.” Lou Dobbs, the Fox Business host and confidant of President Trump, echoed that line in a tweet<https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/25/media/lou-dobbs-fake-bombs/index.html> that he later deleted.

Conspiratorial thinking has always been with us — the grassy knoll, the moon landing, the Freemasons. But it has been turbocharged in the Trump era, as cable news networks and pliant social media networks allow hastily assembled theories to spread to millions in an instant. Often, by the time the official, evidence-based explanation has taken shape, it has already been drowned out by a megaphonic chorus of cranks and attention-hungry partisans.
“The process by which something gets called a false flag has accelerated,” said Anna Merlan, the author of “Republic of Lies,” a coming book about conspiracy theories. “People who make a living conspiracy-peddling are in an arms race with each other, so there’s a rush to stake out that territory and start spinning their narratives about what happened.”
[READ MORE: Two more bombs<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/26/nyregion/cnn-cory-booker-pipe-bombs-sent.html?module=inline> have been found, authorities said on Friday.]
Within hours of the first bomb’s discovery, conservative media figures were openly speculating about the true motives behind the campaign. Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and other high-profile commentators flocked to an alternative narrative that could explain the targeted threats to top Democrats without blaming those Democrats’ political opponents.
“Republicans just don’t do this kind of thing,” Mr. Limbaugh said on his radio show. (Critics quickly provided<https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1055137480863858688> Mr. Limbaugh with plenty of counterexamples, including abortion clinic bombings committed by right-wing extremists.)
As prominent conservatives tiptoed around the conspiracy theory swamps, the right-wing internet dove in headfirst. Users on a pro-Trump Reddit forum called r/the_donald frantically assembled evidence to buttress the unfounded theory that the bombs were a left-wing setup. Conservatives on Facebook and Twitter distilled the theory into memes and talking points that were shared thousands of times<https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/pipe-bomb-hoaxes-conspiracies-misinformation-debunked?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc>. Groups originally formed to promote QAnon, a sprawling pro-Trump conspiracy theory, latched on and turned up the volume even higher.

Historically, “false flag” conspiracy theories — named for a naval maneuver in which a ship flies a different country’s flag in order to trick enemies into retreating or to facilitate an escape — have remained on the edges of American discourse. Alex Jones, the conspiracy-theory-loving Infowars founder, was labeled a crank and worse for theorizing that the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were an “inside job,” and suggesting that the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School was an elaborate hoax concocted in order to promote gun control.
Mr. Jones has been largely pushed <https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/04/technology/alex-jones-infowars-bans-traffic.html?module=inline> to the fringes of the internet — kicked off Twitter, Facebook and a dozen other services — and his cries for attention now seem mostly pitiful. (This week, he was filmed yelling at a pile of manure<https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/InfoWars-host-Alex-Jones-filmed-screaming-at-pile-13329479.php> outside a rally for President Trump in Texas.)

But his spirit lives on in the larger universe of pro-Trump media, which has fused the conspiratorial grandeur of Infowars with an unshakable faith in Mr. Trump’s righteousness. Conspiracy theorists who might once have resorted to handing out subway pamphlets and shouting from street corners have found hungry, durable audiences on cable news shows and social networks. And false flag philosophy — the idea that powerful groups stage threats and tragic events to advance their agendas — is now a bizarrely common element of national news stories.
“The reason we’re seeing more false flag narratives is not that there are necessarily more of them, but that they’re more visible,” Ms. Merlan said. “It’s much easier for a casual news consumer to see them on Twitter.”
Conspiracy theories most often rise around fast-moving news events, like mass shootings and bomb threats, in which fuzzy initial reports often give way to more accurate explanations later on. And sometimes, those questioning the most apparent motives turn out to be justified.

Last year, a string of bomb threats against Jewish institutions in the United States was thought to be an act of anti-Semitic intimidation until police apprehended a Jewish teenager in Israel<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/jcc-bomb-threats.html?module=inline>, whom they suspected of making the threats. The 2016 mass shooting at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando was thought to be an anti-L.G.B.T. hate crime until further evidence suggested<https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/5/17202026/pulse-shooting-lgbtq-trump-terror-hate> the shooter had no idea it was a gay club.

One appeal of heat-of-the-moment conspiracy theories is that they allow for blame-shifting. Candace Owens, a right-wing activist and media personality who has been invited to the White House<https://www.axios.com/trump-huddles-with-charlie-kirk-and-candace-owens-5c56ee7d-89ec-48b5-ae0f-88dde581e67b.html>, earlier this week responded to the bombs by tweeting that “these leftists are going ALL OUT for midterms.” (Ms. Owens, who is now the communications director for the conservative student group Turning Point USA, appeared<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKNzKUSgyeo> on Infowars with Mr. Jones as recently as last year.) She later deleted the tweet, but wrote another one in which she said that she still believed that “when it comes to political violence, the left is the likely culprit.”

There are structural reasons for the conspiracy theory boom. Social media platforms like YouTube, Reddit and Facebook have allowed fringe thinkers to bypass traditional gatekeepers and reach millions of people directly. In addition, the dominance of Fox News and other partisan media outlets has created a flourishing market for conspiracy-driven outrage. And a polarized electorate has eagerly lapped up explanations for major news events that conform to their views.
The desire for politically convenient explanations is not contained to the right. Soon after the bombs were reported, and before key facts about them were known, liberals on Twitter adopted the term “MAGAbomb” to describe the campaign, referring both to the explosive devices and to Mr. Trump’s signature rallying cry.

It is Mr. Trump, of course, who has done more than any other prominent figure to promote (or in the case of the racist conspiracy theory about Mr. Obama’s birth certificate, to popularize) a number of conspiracy theories. Other theories have taken root among his followers — like Pizzagate, QAnon<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/01/us/politics/what-is-qanon.html?module=inline> and the baseless, sensational claims<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/19/us/politics/christine-blasey-ford-kavanaughs-fact-check.html?module=inline> made about Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who accused Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh of sexual assault — often without official censure.
“We have a president who pushes these ideas because he built a coalition that believes in conspiracy theories,” said Joseph Uscinski, an associate professor of political science at the University of Miami who studies conspiracy theories. “He has to continue pushing these ideas to keep his people motivated.”
Conspiracy theories play especially well on social media, which amplifies provocative and engaging content by design and often rewards misinformation with increased distribution. One study published this year, led by M.I.T. researchers<https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/03/largest-study-ever-fake-news-mit-twitter/555104/>, found that on Twitter, falsehoods were 70 percent more likely to be retweeted than accurate news.

Conspiracy theories are not false news, exactly. They often rely on a speck of doubt, or a gap in the evidentiary trail, to make a bold claim, even if they ignore some of the other available proof. But they do travel over the same networks, and stand out from more accurate — if predictable — stories in much the same way.

Fact-checking, long offered as a possible antidote to misinformation, is not likely to solve the problem. The available data on the effectiveness of fact-checking, especially on social media, is mixed<https://www.poynter.org/news/what-does-research-say-about-fact-checking-find-out-our-new-database>. Facebook halted a program last year that labeled false news stories with red flags, after finding<https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/27/facebook-false-news/> that the labels actually induced more people to click. The company’s current approach is to decrease the visibility of stories labeled false by third-party fact-checkers, in hopes of starving them of oxygen.

The real solution, of course, is likely to be cultural, rather than technological. A White House occupied by a conspiracist-in-chief is not likely to do much to quell the spread of implausible narratives, nor is a conservative media apparatus that profits from the popularity of these theories. As long as Mr. Trump is in office, conspiracy theorists will continue to raise the specter of false flags, and some in power will feel empowered to take them seriously.

“If we had President Jeb Bush, we wouldn’t be wondering if he believed these theories,” Mr. Uscinski said.

(The New York Times needs your help. We’re looking for false information being spread deliberately to confuse, mislead, or influence voters ahead of the 2018 midterm elections. Click here to tell us what you’re seeing<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/17/technology/disinformation-tipsheet.html?module=inline>.)¶<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/17/technology/disinformation-tipsheet.html?module=inline#link-355c189e>

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:48:21 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Protest today
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***11am: Pancake breakfast at the Flyover (214 N. Washington St.)

1pm: Meetup for carpools at the Flyover

2pm: Caravan to Southern Illinois Airport***

TRUMP WANTS US TO HATE, DEMOCRATS WANT US TO WAIT. WE'RE GETTING ORGANIZED.

This Saturday, a monstrous and unwelcome person is going to speak at the airport in Murphysboro and you have decided to protest. Perhaps this will be your first or maybe you have marched before. However, something feels different this time. You may feel a sense of dread, or hopelessness, or fear, or even righteous rage hinting at your power. Probably an unsettling combination within. Something is wrong and you have decided to tell someone about it and that so-called person is Donald J. Trump. Good for you!

But this won't be just another protest. Protests are not enough, and we don't have any time left to waste: we in southern Illinois need to immediately begin organizing ourselves to address the crises we face on all fronts, from climate change to mass incarceration; from poverty to racism; and from patriarchy to the opioid crisis.

Dozens of groups and individuals have reached out for information and for comfort. We at Carbondale Solidarity Network hope to provide exactly that. We aim to serve you and commune with you. Dozens of groups and individuals have reached out in our communities for unifying leadership. We at Carbondale Solidarity Network hear that call and love you for it. However, we respectfully turn to you and say we can't be leaders, as every person must find the capacities within and use those talents as a gift to each other.

We at Carbondale Solidarity Network want to empower those who have said enough is enough to use this day to help build a movement. Find those who you share affinity, with whose plans and desires match your own. Activate those desires on Saturday, knowing that we will all be unified in our humanity and our struggle for change.

We believe action under such stress and pressure requires a holistic approach. Please join us for Pancakes and Protest 101, where safety tips will be shared and carbs consumed. From here, you can caravan to the Southern Illinois Airport. Upon arrival, expect to be placed inside of a "Free Speech Zone," a dastardly designed mechanism that oppresses the very value it claims to uphold. Here, there will be multiple means of support: Legal Observers, Medics, security support, sources of communication, and allies dedicated to the comfort of all involved.

As for ourselves; we will be organizing a few actions to practice and demonstrate the future we need. We will take a first step toward addressing the opioid crisis, which is killing people regardless of their political affiliation. We will have trainers on-hand conducting workshops in administering Nalaxone, an opioid overdose antidote, and introducing a harm-reduction approach to addiction treatment. With a little training, anyone can save the life of someone overdosing from opioids, and our aim is to make that training and that life-saving drug as widely available in Little Egypt as possible. We will be conducting these trainngs at the protest site at the Southern Illinois Airport, and have doses of Nalaxone available at the Flyover Social Center for those who attended the trainings. We will also offer deescalation techniques and practice sessions at the protest. The goal with these is to introduce and further understanding of safety and how our common humanity affects it.

This demonstration is a time for us to meet and organize. There will be speakers focusing on transgender rights, on immigrants, on the fascist creep, nay current, that this unwelcomed visitor brings everywhere he goes. We encourage people to bring water and snacks to share, and to use this time to meet members of our community who share their outrage at this re-emergent fascist movement.

Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are going to save us. We need to lose hope in politicians, and find it in ourselves. Please join us on Saturday for a day of events oriented toward organizing ourselves in the face of a world gone crazy.

11am: Pancake breakfast at the Flyover (214 N. Washington St.)

1pm: Meetup for carpools at the Flyover

2pm: Caravan to Southern Illinois Airport

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From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:48:21 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Protest today
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Details
***11am: Pancake breakfast at the Flyover (214 N. Washington St.)

1pm: Meetup for carpools at the Flyover

2pm: Caravan to Southern Illinois Airport***

TRUMP WANTS US TO HATE, DEMOCRATS WANT US TO WAIT. WE'RE GETTING ORGANIZED.

This Saturday, a monstrous and unwelcome person is going to speak at the airport in Murphysboro and you have decided to protest. Perhaps this will be your first or maybe you have marched before. However, something feels different this time. You may feel a sense of dread, or hopelessness, or fear, or even righteous rage hinting at your power. Probably an unsettling combination within. Something is wrong and you have decided to tell someone about it and that so-called person is Donald J. Trump. Good for you!

But this won't be just another protest. Protests are not enough, and we don't have any time left to waste: we in southern Illinois need to immediately begin organizing ourselves to address the crises we face on all fronts, from climate change to mass incarceration; from poverty to racism; and from patriarchy to the opioid crisis.

Dozens of groups and individuals have reached out for information and for comfort. We at Carbondale Solidarity Network hope to provide exactly that. We aim to serve you and commune with you. Dozens of groups and individuals have reached out in our communities for unifying leadership. We at Carbondale Solidarity Network hear that call and love you for it. However, we respectfully turn to you and say we can't be leaders, as every person must find the capacities within and use those talents as a gift to each other.

We at Carbondale Solidarity Network want to empower those who have said enough is enough to use this day to help build a movement. Find those who you share affinity, with whose plans and desires match your own. Activate those desires on Saturday, knowing that we will all be unified in our humanity and our struggle for change.

We believe action under such stress and pressure requires a holistic approach. Please join us for Pancakes and Protest 101, where safety tips will be shared and carbs consumed. From here, you can caravan to the Southern Illinois Airport. Upon arrival, expect to be placed inside of a "Free Speech Zone," a dastardly designed mechanism that oppresses the very value it claims to uphold. Here, there will be multiple means of support: Legal Observers, Medics, security support, sources of communication, and allies dedicated to the comfort of all involved.

As for ourselves; we will be organizing a few actions to practice and demonstrate the future we need. We will take a first step toward addressing the opioid crisis, which is killing people regardless of their political affiliation. We will have trainers on-hand conducting workshops in administering Nalaxone, an opioid overdose antidote, and introducing a harm-reduction approach to addiction treatment. With a little training, anyone can save the life of someone overdosing from opioids, and our aim is to make that training and that life-saving drug as widely available in Little Egypt as possible. We will be conducting these trainngs at the protest site at the Southern Illinois Airport, and have doses of Nalaxone available at the Flyover Social Center for those who attended the trainings. We will also offer deescalation techniques and practice sessions at the protest. The goal with these is to introduce and further understanding of safety and how our common humanity affects it.

This demonstration is a time for us to meet and organize. There will be speakers focusing on transgender rights, on immigrants, on the fascist creep, nay current, that this unwelcomed visitor brings everywhere he goes. We encourage people to bring water and snacks to share, and to use this time to meet members of our community who share their outrage at this re-emergent fascist movement.

Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are going to save us. We need to lose hope in politicians, and find it in ourselves. Please join us on Saturday for a day of events oriented toward organizing ourselves in the face of a world gone crazy.

11am: Pancake breakfast at the Flyover (214 N. Washington St.)

1pm: Meetup for carpools at the Flyover

2pm: Caravan to Southern Illinois Airport

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 27 22:10:43 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 22:10:43 +0000
Subject: [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube
	page.
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David: Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man.  Carl: your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg, with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic Party, violently opposed.

David: I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi, on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:

Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.

MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.

The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 27 22:10:43 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 22:10:43 +0000
Subject: [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube
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David: Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man.  Carl: your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg, with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic Party, violently opposed.

David: I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi, on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:

Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.

MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.

The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.
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From brussel at illinois.edu  Sun Oct 28 04:52:47 2018
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 04:52:47 +0000
Subject: [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN
 Utube	page.
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Footnote: Chris Hedges has said that Khashoggi was a good friend…

On Oct 27, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

David: Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man.  Carl: your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg, with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic Party, violently opposed.

David: I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi, on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:

Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.

MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.

The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.

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From brussel at illinois.edu  Sun Oct 28 04:52:47 2018
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 04:52:47 +0000
Subject: [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN
 Utube	page.
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Footnote: Chris Hedges has said that Khashoggi was a good friend…

On Oct 27, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

David: Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man.  Carl: your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg, with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic Party, violently opposed.

David: I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi, on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:

Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.

MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.

The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 28 15:14:35 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 15:14:35 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Final statement by Paul Jay in respect to Kashoggi and the
 Saudi's. Part 6/6 with transcript
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BEN NORTON: I want to talk a bit more about the shifting relations in the region. And maybe this is more of a comment than a question, but I do think it’s the most convincing argument, to me, seems like Mohammed bin Salman had been sold, for the past two years, as this savior who would simply follow U.S. interests. And it seems like he, as you mentioned, has gotten too big for his britches in the eyes of the U.S. empire. And another way this is true is not just in the brash killing of Khashoggi, which he appears to be behind, potentially. But also he has improved relations with other countries like Russia.

Paul, how do you think this reflects the overall strategy of the Trump administration, which says to King Salman very openly, you couldn’t last two weeks without us? Maybe we see a kind of moment where we’re not seeing a complete shift in U.S.-Saudi relations, but rather it was Mohammed Salman testing the limits that he could go to. And he now knows that he can operate within a certain confines. But if he goes beyond that boundary that then they’ll pull the leash back, and he could potentially be pushed out? I mean, Paul, what do you think about this shifting relationship?

PAUL JAY: There’s a lot of questions there. Let me just try to focus on two things. One, I don’t think we should completely rule out this could have been a rogue operation. What I mean by that is there’s a lot of princes and royals in Saudi Arabia that would like to bring MBS down. And who knows if this wasn’t some kind of scheme to do that. I just wouldn’t rule it out.

The second thing is why they cheerleaded for MBS. It’s because in terms of the narrative of the United States for justifying global hegemony, and supposedly wanting democracy and all this, it’s very hard to take anything the United States says about another country and its human rights record- for example, the attacks on Venezuela- and their support for Saudi Arabia. It’s just impossible to believe a word that the Americans say, as long as the Saudis are clearly the world’s leader in political repression and violating human rights, and such a close ally to the United States. So MBS gave them the beginning of some kind of cover for that.

BEN NORTON: What’s funny is- really quickly- Marco Rubio himself, in an interview recently in the past week, he said this explicitly. He said we can’t allow Saudi Arabia to continue acts this brazen and criminal, because if they do that as a close U.S. ally, we can’t criticize Venezuela and China.

PAUL JAY: Yeah. So this is really a step too far. If they’d been able to get Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia and done it to him, nobody wouldn’t have cared. But doing it in a way that becomes so globally publicized- and again, it looks like without permission, even though American intelligence apparently knew from intercepts that it was going to happen- I think it’s pretty clear the Saudis didn’t ask to do it. But by doing something that’s so egregious, has become so public, that it breaks- it kind of breaks this facade that MBS has that there was some kind of political reform going on here. And so that hurts the American narrative.

I do want to return to something else you asked earlier. I think this issue of regional hegemony- the pillars of regional hegemony coming out of World War II were primarily Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Iran. So the Iranian revolution took away one of those major pillars of U.S. strategy for the region. They want that pillar back. The Saudi-Israeli relationship, which has warmed up so much that the Saudis have virtually given up even- they barely talk about the rights of the Palestinian people anymore, and the whole issue of Israel. It’s a very important strategic alliance, again, because the Americans- this region exploded not so long ago. This Arab Spring was an explosion. And if it explodes once, it’s going to explode again. And so they need these pillars of control in place. And no doubt Israel’s a critical part of that.

But if we’re ending up- then I’m going to get redundant and just end up again- none of this is good for the American people. This is not something that protects people from terrorist attacks, far from it. It makes the likelihood of terrorist attacks in the United States more likely. The volatility is not good for the American economy. It’s going to make life more expensive and might trigger a recession. Massive arms sales, most importantly, and even though the $110 billion that Trump keeps talking about is probably a crock, because I think the actual dollars of signed deals is more like about $10 billion, not $110 [billion]. But whatever. There’s a lot of arms sales expected from the Saudis.

It’s the least efficient way to develop the American economy. And of course, let’s just add one more thing that nobody’s talking about in this whole thing. What is the real threat to national security, even according to the Pentagon? It’s the climate change crisis. So you know, the whole conversation about the Saudi relationship, it’s all based on continuing a fossil fuel global economy, which is the real existential threat. Not just to Americans, but to human society as we know it. And where is any of that on the corporate media?

BEN NORTON: Yeah, I don’t see any more comments or questions, so we’ll wrap it up in a moment here. You raised a really important point, and used specific language; ‘pillars.’ Before the Iranian revolution in 1979, the U.S. policy in the region was the Twin Pillars policy, and the two pillars were Saudi Arabia and Iran. Not only were they pillars in the political sense, but even geographically; Saudi Arabia being at the Western edge, Iran being at the Eastern edge.

Wrapping up here, Paul, I’m wondering if you could just reflect on the overall politics of the region, and maybe let’s conclude talking about Iran. Because the Trump administration’s foreign policy, it seems, is largely geared around containing and essentially trying to create regime change, at least nonviolently for right now, in Iran. War could potentially be on the horizon, but at the moment the Trump administration withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal, the JCPOA. It’s imposing brutal sanctions that go into effect next month, but are already, even before they’ve officially gone into effect, have already weakened the Iranian economy. So I do think that Saudi Arabia plays a key role in this, but of course it’s not just about Saudi Arabia. And in many ways Iran is, of course, a convenient scapegoat for Donald Trump, and the whole right-wing, this kind of Islamophobic wing of the Republican Party that wants to end Muslim immigration. The irony is that they are working with Saudi Arabia, which of course helped create al-Qaeda, elements of which supported ISIS, according to a leaked email from Hillary Clinton. And we also know that the Trump administration is trying to link Iran to ISIS and al-Qaeda in a way similar to the way that George Bush administration tried to link Saddam Hussein to al-Qaeda.

So just wrapping up here, I don’t want you to try to predict the future, but I’m wondering what you think-

PAUL JAY: Let me get a dire potential warning about the future. You know, Gore Vidal used to have a joke that USA stood for United States of Amnesia. Well, let’s not forget 9/11. Senator Bob Graham, who was the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, who co-chaired the congressional investigation into the events of the 9/11 attacks, said many times, and even specifically said on the Real News in several interviews- and you can look them up- that the 9/11 attacks were facilitated, financed, and supported by the Saudi government. He says- Graham says- he thinks right up and including the king. That the highest levels of the Saudi government participated in the 9/11- helped facilitate, I should say- and we know that almost, I think all of, the hijackers, the majority of them all came from Saudi Arabia.

BEN NORTON: 15 of the 19.

PAUL JAY: Graham also says in explicit words on The Real News that Cheney-Bush knew it was coming, and didn’t stop it. The potential- now, even Donald Trump, before he’s elected, he’s asked about 9/11. He says, oh, you want to know who’s behind 9/11? He says, the Saudis. There’s video of Trump saying this.

So how come nobody cares about that? Because the Saudis can play in dirty games that help and facilitate what sections of the American foreign policy elites, sections of the CIA, what they want. So let’s be wary and not forget what happened. Because if these guys really want to go after Iran, then the possibility of some other false flag attack, and the possibility of blaming this on the Iranians, and once again, you know, some involvement of the Saudis, because they’re the experts at this- let’s not forget how often the Saudis have threatened terror attacks. They threatened Tony Blair with a terror attack on London because they were doing a Parliamentary inquiry into bribery in an arms sale. Bandar, who was the Saudi ambassador to the United States, that according to Graham’s congressional investigation was involved in the 9/11 attacks, Bandar threatened Putin before the Olympics with a terrorist attack. And these are the guys who know how to do this.

BEN NORTON: Yeah, and most recently there was an almost unbelievable incident a few months ago on Twitter in response to Canada’s criticism of Saudi Arabia imprisoning human rights activists. On a [KSA] infographic account in Saudi Arabia, they posted an image of a plane flying toward buildings in, I believe it was Toronto, in Canada. And then they immediately took it down and apologized. But the message said something like ‘Don’t mess with Saudi Arabia.’ Almost unbelievable.

PAUL JAY: So this kind of idea that the Saudis are so horrible, and here you have these democratic Americans that would like to influence them for the better and all this, it’s completely hypocritical and deceptive. The Saudis are in power, as Trump said, because of the United States. They are these degenerate human rights violators, and they’re there because the United States allows it. And they become very useful for U.S. foreign policy, whether it’s Afghanistan or other acts of using al-Qaeda and terrorism, with sections of the American elites, and this section that’s in power now in Washington. You know, John Bolton’s been a thread for a lot of this, the worst of this stuff.

So let’s not forget this history. And people need to demand an end to this kind of foreign policy. If you want a final sentence, the American empire ain’t good for Americans.

BEN NORTON: Well, that’s a great note to end on. That was an excellent conversation. I’m Ben Norton here at the Real News Network. I was joined by Paul Jay, who is the founder and senior editor. We were talking about the so-called ‘special relationship’ between the United States and Saudi Arabia, in response to the recent horrific story of the potential killing of Jamal Khashoggi, who was a Saudi columnist at the Washington Post. We were reflecting on the many subtle details in the U.S.-Saudi special relationship, and looking at the potential dangers in the future. Thanks for joining us here at the Real News Network. I’m Ben Norton.
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Subject: [Peace] Final statement by Paul Jay in respect to Kashoggi and the
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BEN NORTON: I want to talk a bit more about the shifting relations in the region. And maybe this is more of a comment than a question, but I do think it’s the most convincing argument, to me, seems like Mohammed bin Salman had been sold, for the past two years, as this savior who would simply follow U.S. interests. And it seems like he, as you mentioned, has gotten too big for his britches in the eyes of the U.S. empire. And another way this is true is not just in the brash killing of Khashoggi, which he appears to be behind, potentially. But also he has improved relations with other countries like Russia.

Paul, how do you think this reflects the overall strategy of the Trump administration, which says to King Salman very openly, you couldn’t last two weeks without us? Maybe we see a kind of moment where we’re not seeing a complete shift in U.S.-Saudi relations, but rather it was Mohammed Salman testing the limits that he could go to. And he now knows that he can operate within a certain confines. But if he goes beyond that boundary that then they’ll pull the leash back, and he could potentially be pushed out? I mean, Paul, what do you think about this shifting relationship?

PAUL JAY: There’s a lot of questions there. Let me just try to focus on two things. One, I don’t think we should completely rule out this could have been a rogue operation. What I mean by that is there’s a lot of princes and royals in Saudi Arabia that would like to bring MBS down. And who knows if this wasn’t some kind of scheme to do that. I just wouldn’t rule it out.

The second thing is why they cheerleaded for MBS. It’s because in terms of the narrative of the United States for justifying global hegemony, and supposedly wanting democracy and all this, it’s very hard to take anything the United States says about another country and its human rights record- for example, the attacks on Venezuela- and their support for Saudi Arabia. It’s just impossible to believe a word that the Americans say, as long as the Saudis are clearly the world’s leader in political repression and violating human rights, and such a close ally to the United States. So MBS gave them the beginning of some kind of cover for that.

BEN NORTON: What’s funny is- really quickly- Marco Rubio himself, in an interview recently in the past week, he said this explicitly. He said we can’t allow Saudi Arabia to continue acts this brazen and criminal, because if they do that as a close U.S. ally, we can’t criticize Venezuela and China.

PAUL JAY: Yeah. So this is really a step too far. If they’d been able to get Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia and done it to him, nobody wouldn’t have cared. But doing it in a way that becomes so globally publicized- and again, it looks like without permission, even though American intelligence apparently knew from intercepts that it was going to happen- I think it’s pretty clear the Saudis didn’t ask to do it. But by doing something that’s so egregious, has become so public, that it breaks- it kind of breaks this facade that MBS has that there was some kind of political reform going on here. And so that hurts the American narrative.

I do want to return to something else you asked earlier. I think this issue of regional hegemony- the pillars of regional hegemony coming out of World War II were primarily Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Iran. So the Iranian revolution took away one of those major pillars of U.S. strategy for the region. They want that pillar back. The Saudi-Israeli relationship, which has warmed up so much that the Saudis have virtually given up even- they barely talk about the rights of the Palestinian people anymore, and the whole issue of Israel. It’s a very important strategic alliance, again, because the Americans- this region exploded not so long ago. This Arab Spring was an explosion. And if it explodes once, it’s going to explode again. And so they need these pillars of control in place. And no doubt Israel’s a critical part of that.

But if we’re ending up- then I’m going to get redundant and just end up again- none of this is good for the American people. This is not something that protects people from terrorist attacks, far from it. It makes the likelihood of terrorist attacks in the United States more likely. The volatility is not good for the American economy. It’s going to make life more expensive and might trigger a recession. Massive arms sales, most importantly, and even though the $110 billion that Trump keeps talking about is probably a crock, because I think the actual dollars of signed deals is more like about $10 billion, not $110 [billion]. But whatever. There’s a lot of arms sales expected from the Saudis.

It’s the least efficient way to develop the American economy. And of course, let’s just add one more thing that nobody’s talking about in this whole thing. What is the real threat to national security, even according to the Pentagon? It’s the climate change crisis. So you know, the whole conversation about the Saudi relationship, it’s all based on continuing a fossil fuel global economy, which is the real existential threat. Not just to Americans, but to human society as we know it. And where is any of that on the corporate media?

BEN NORTON: Yeah, I don’t see any more comments or questions, so we’ll wrap it up in a moment here. You raised a really important point, and used specific language; ‘pillars.’ Before the Iranian revolution in 1979, the U.S. policy in the region was the Twin Pillars policy, and the two pillars were Saudi Arabia and Iran. Not only were they pillars in the political sense, but even geographically; Saudi Arabia being at the Western edge, Iran being at the Eastern edge.

Wrapping up here, Paul, I’m wondering if you could just reflect on the overall politics of the region, and maybe let’s conclude talking about Iran. Because the Trump administration’s foreign policy, it seems, is largely geared around containing and essentially trying to create regime change, at least nonviolently for right now, in Iran. War could potentially be on the horizon, but at the moment the Trump administration withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal, the JCPOA. It’s imposing brutal sanctions that go into effect next month, but are already, even before they’ve officially gone into effect, have already weakened the Iranian economy. So I do think that Saudi Arabia plays a key role in this, but of course it’s not just about Saudi Arabia. And in many ways Iran is, of course, a convenient scapegoat for Donald Trump, and the whole right-wing, this kind of Islamophobic wing of the Republican Party that wants to end Muslim immigration. The irony is that they are working with Saudi Arabia, which of course helped create al-Qaeda, elements of which supported ISIS, according to a leaked email from Hillary Clinton. And we also know that the Trump administration is trying to link Iran to ISIS and al-Qaeda in a way similar to the way that George Bush administration tried to link Saddam Hussein to al-Qaeda.

So just wrapping up here, I don’t want you to try to predict the future, but I’m wondering what you think-

PAUL JAY: Let me get a dire potential warning about the future. You know, Gore Vidal used to have a joke that USA stood for United States of Amnesia. Well, let’s not forget 9/11. Senator Bob Graham, who was the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, who co-chaired the congressional investigation into the events of the 9/11 attacks, said many times, and even specifically said on the Real News in several interviews- and you can look them up- that the 9/11 attacks were facilitated, financed, and supported by the Saudi government. He says- Graham says- he thinks right up and including the king. That the highest levels of the Saudi government participated in the 9/11- helped facilitate, I should say- and we know that almost, I think all of, the hijackers, the majority of them all came from Saudi Arabia.

BEN NORTON: 15 of the 19.

PAUL JAY: Graham also says in explicit words on The Real News that Cheney-Bush knew it was coming, and didn’t stop it. The potential- now, even Donald Trump, before he’s elected, he’s asked about 9/11. He says, oh, you want to know who’s behind 9/11? He says, the Saudis. There’s video of Trump saying this.

So how come nobody cares about that? Because the Saudis can play in dirty games that help and facilitate what sections of the American foreign policy elites, sections of the CIA, what they want. So let’s be wary and not forget what happened. Because if these guys really want to go after Iran, then the possibility of some other false flag attack, and the possibility of blaming this on the Iranians, and once again, you know, some involvement of the Saudis, because they’re the experts at this- let’s not forget how often the Saudis have threatened terror attacks. They threatened Tony Blair with a terror attack on London because they were doing a Parliamentary inquiry into bribery in an arms sale. Bandar, who was the Saudi ambassador to the United States, that according to Graham’s congressional investigation was involved in the 9/11 attacks, Bandar threatened Putin before the Olympics with a terrorist attack. And these are the guys who know how to do this.

BEN NORTON: Yeah, and most recently there was an almost unbelievable incident a few months ago on Twitter in response to Canada’s criticism of Saudi Arabia imprisoning human rights activists. On a [KSA] infographic account in Saudi Arabia, they posted an image of a plane flying toward buildings in, I believe it was Toronto, in Canada. And then they immediately took it down and apologized. But the message said something like ‘Don’t mess with Saudi Arabia.’ Almost unbelievable.

PAUL JAY: So this kind of idea that the Saudis are so horrible, and here you have these democratic Americans that would like to influence them for the better and all this, it’s completely hypocritical and deceptive. The Saudis are in power, as Trump said, because of the United States. They are these degenerate human rights violators, and they’re there because the United States allows it. And they become very useful for U.S. foreign policy, whether it’s Afghanistan or other acts of using al-Qaeda and terrorism, with sections of the American elites, and this section that’s in power now in Washington. You know, John Bolton’s been a thread for a lot of this, the worst of this stuff.

So let’s not forget this history. And people need to demand an end to this kind of foreign policy. If you want a final sentence, the American empire ain’t good for Americans.

BEN NORTON: Well, that’s a great note to end on. That was an excellent conversation. I’m Ben Norton here at the Real News Network. I was joined by Paul Jay, who is the founder and senior editor. We were talking about the so-called ‘special relationship’ between the United States and Saudi Arabia, in response to the recent horrific story of the potential killing of Jamal Khashoggi, who was a Saudi columnist at the Washington Post. We were reflecting on the many subtle details in the U.S.-Saudi special relationship, and looking at the potential dangers in the future. Thanks for joining us here at the Real News Network. I’m Ben Norton.
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Mort

In respect to your comment that Hedges said he is a friend of Kashoggi, I see that as no surprise, they are both journalists. Hedges spent a lot of time in the Middle East covering the wars there, as well as elsewhere in the world, and he spoke Arabic. He also wrote for the WP sometimes, after leaving the NYT’s.

I have a few good friends that worked for the State Dept., only one I’m sure to be CIA, of the “questionable variety” from my student days, in DC., a classmate and student of Russian politics, I found him interesting and enjoyed his company.  However, I wouldn’t sleep with him or marry him  because of our political differences.

My closest friend and room mate went to work for the State Dept., as did her husband, a senior level diplomat who did two tours in the USSR, and to whom I owe my visit to Moscow, at the time. I’m still friends with both, as well with a former colleague whose job is providing “technical security for US embassy’s and organizations.”

I have one current, former colleague/ friend who is now with the State Dept., overseas, and yes I’m certain he is CIA, he obtained his position with my assistance, and we communicate on occasion, of course he never reveals anything other than “things aren’t looking good.” Is he involved in anything of the “questionable variety” I doubt it.

My point is that one can be friends, with those we may not agree with politically, though it does often erode the friendship over time.

As to Khasshogi, my irritation with Rula Jabreal’s assessment of him, was her deliberate and careful avoidance of his role in the Saudi/US wars, her attempt to pose him not as a “victim of Saudi Royal family internal politics” or even US political directions that maybe taking place, but rather as a “hero” or “martyr.” Rula’s, along with the rest of mainstream media coverage, of this one “kind” man, in the face of all that is ignored by the media, that of the war in Yemen, and elsewhere by the Saudi’s with US support, is the real outrage.






On Oct 27, 2018, at 21:52, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:

Footnote: Chris Hedges has said that Khashoggi was a good friend…

On Oct 27, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

David: Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man.  Carl: your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg, with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic Party, violently opposed.

David: I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi, on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:

Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.

MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.

The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.

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Mort

In respect to your comment that Hedges said he is a friend of Kashoggi, I see that as no surprise, they are both journalists. Hedges spent a lot of time in the Middle East covering the wars there, as well as elsewhere in the world, and he spoke Arabic. He also wrote for the WP sometimes, after leaving the NYT’s.

I have a few good friends that worked for the State Dept., only one I’m sure to be CIA, of the “questionable variety” from my student days, in DC., a classmate and student of Russian politics, I found him interesting and enjoyed his company.  However, I wouldn’t sleep with him or marry him  because of our political differences.

My closest friend and room mate went to work for the State Dept., as did her husband, a senior level diplomat who did two tours in the USSR, and to whom I owe my visit to Moscow, at the time. I’m still friends with both, as well with a former colleague whose job is providing “technical security for US embassy’s and organizations.”

I have one current, former colleague/ friend who is now with the State Dept., overseas, and yes I’m certain he is CIA, he obtained his position with my assistance, and we communicate on occasion, of course he never reveals anything other than “things aren’t looking good.” Is he involved in anything of the “questionable variety” I doubt it.

My point is that one can be friends, with those we may not agree with politically, though it does often erode the friendship over time.

As to Khasshogi, my irritation with Rula Jabreal’s assessment of him, was her deliberate and careful avoidance of his role in the Saudi/US wars, her attempt to pose him not as a “victim of Saudi Royal family internal politics” or even US political directions that maybe taking place, but rather as a “hero” or “martyr.” Rula’s, along with the rest of mainstream media coverage, of this one “kind” man, in the face of all that is ignored by the media, that of the war in Yemen, and elsewhere by the Saudi’s with US support, is the real outrage.






On Oct 27, 2018, at 21:52, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu<mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:

Footnote: Chris Hedges has said that Khashoggi was a good friend…

On Oct 27, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

David: Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man.  Carl: your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg, with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic Party, violently opposed.

David: I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi, on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:

Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.

MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.

The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.

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Carl: 

Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert,”
> 
>  
> Social Democrats are NOT real Socialists – They are not anti-capitalists. They want to reform capitalism so it is more humane, but they will go to whatever lengths ( including murder ) to save capitalism. Ebert may have started out socialist, but moved to the right, joining the liberals and conservatives, with the SDP violently opposing the revolution of 1919.






>  On Oct 27, 2018, at 19:43, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Karen—
> 
> Thank you indeed for listening to and commenting on the program. 
> 
> As you acknowledge, Rosa Luxemburg was indeed murdered by Freikorps at the direction of the socialist government of Friedrich Ebert. She was of course a critic of that government -  from the Left, not from the Right.
> 
> Chomsky admires Luxemburg’s politics and her critique of Leninism - which is why contemporary Marxist-Leninists attack them both. —CGE
> 
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> David
>> : Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant
>> Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man. 
>> 
>> Carl:
>> your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg,
>> with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic
>> Party, violently opposed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David:
>> I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi,
>> on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:
>> 
>> Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.
>> MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.
>> The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Peace mailing list
>> Peace at lists.chambana.net
>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 28 16:19:32 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 16:19:32 +0000
Subject: [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN
 Utube page.
In-Reply-To: <0CA51F73-630D-4EEC-9FC8-70541F03EA20@gmail.com>
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Carl: 

Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert,”
> 
>  
> Social Democrats are NOT real Socialists – They are not anti-capitalists. They want to reform capitalism so it is more humane, but they will go to whatever lengths ( including murder ) to save capitalism. Ebert may have started out socialist, but moved to the right, joining the liberals and conservatives, with the SDP violently opposing the revolution of 1919.






>  On Oct 27, 2018, at 19:43, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Karen—
> 
> Thank you indeed for listening to and commenting on the program. 
> 
> As you acknowledge, Rosa Luxemburg was indeed murdered by Freikorps at the direction of the socialist government of Friedrich Ebert. She was of course a critic of that government -  from the Left, not from the Right.
> 
> Chomsky admires Luxemburg’s politics and her critique of Leninism - which is why contemporary Marxist-Leninists attack them both. —CGE
> 
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> David
>> : Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant
>> Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man. 
>> 
>> Carl:
>> your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg,
>> with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic
>> Party, violently opposed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David:
>> I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi,
>> on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:
>> 
>> Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.
>> MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.
>> The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Peace mailing list
>> Peace at lists.chambana.net
>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
> 


From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 28 17:13:00 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 12:13:00 -0500
Subject: [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN
	Utube page.
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR08MB2382A782F2FDB2EAEDD729BDA3F10@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Karen,

Since Proyect has a decent following both on his blog and Marxmail, and
because the views on Syria that shape his criticism of TRNN are common
among a certain faction of the left (ISO, John Reimann, etc.) I think it's
notable when the debate about Syria carries over into other contexts; many
are not aware of the ideological connections between these contexts. This
discourse tell us something about the challenges of the anti-war &
anti-imperialist movements, such as they are, in this country. Proyect has
been fundamental, in his own minor way, in defining these fractures.
Nevertheless, part of my interest in him stems from the informative nature
of his blog and Marxmail (although I don't read his movie reviews), as well
as his weekly presence on Counterpunch. Admittedly, Proyect's demonization
of someone like Max Blumenthal is perhaps too morbidly interesting to me;
but his "support" for Kashoggi is of a somewhat different order than
Jebreal's, and I felt it was worth noting the distinction.

Best,

David

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:10 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:

> *David*: Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing.
> “Unrepentant Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist
> has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man.  *Carl:*
> your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit
> disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich
> Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the
> Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg, with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong
> movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her
> release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed
> German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic
> Party, violently opposed.
>
> *David:* I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi, on
> Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which
> many were in agreement:
>
> Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of
> her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him
> as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his
> people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to
> him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the
> Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war
> efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly
> none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since
> March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried,
> just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place
> only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.
>
> MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after
> his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration,
> promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the
> right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman
> leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a
> woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out
> against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their
> people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their
> authority.
>
> The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as
> "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported
> by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious,
> to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the
> Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing
> good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how
> unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has
> been bought, and the people have been blinded.
>
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 28 17:13:00 2018
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 12:13:00 -0500
Subject: [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN
	Utube page.
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Hi Karen,

Since Proyect has a decent following both on his blog and Marxmail, and
because the views on Syria that shape his criticism of TRNN are common
among a certain faction of the left (ISO, John Reimann, etc.) I think it's
notable when the debate about Syria carries over into other contexts; many
are not aware of the ideological connections between these contexts. This
discourse tell us something about the challenges of the anti-war &
anti-imperialist movements, such as they are, in this country. Proyect has
been fundamental, in his own minor way, in defining these fractures.
Nevertheless, part of my interest in him stems from the informative nature
of his blog and Marxmail (although I don't read his movie reviews), as well
as his weekly presence on Counterpunch. Admittedly, Proyect's demonization
of someone like Max Blumenthal is perhaps too morbidly interesting to me;
but his "support" for Kashoggi is of a somewhat different order than
Jebreal's, and I felt it was worth noting the distinction.

Best,

David

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:10 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:

> *David*: Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing.
> “Unrepentant Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist
> has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man.  *Carl:*
> your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit
> disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich
> Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the
> Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg, with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong
> movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her
> release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed
> German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic
> Party, violently opposed.
>
> *David:* I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi, on
> Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which
> many were in agreement:
>
> Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of
> her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him
> as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his
> people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to
> him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the
> Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war
> efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly
> none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since
> March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried,
> just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place
> only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.
>
> MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after
> his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration,
> promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the
> right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman
> leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a
> woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out
> against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their
> people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their
> authority.
>
> The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as
> "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported
> by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious,
> to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the
> Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing
> good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how
> unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has
> been bought, and the people have been blinded.
>
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 28 18:00:01 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:00:01 +0000
Subject: [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN
	Utube page.
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David

Then by all means, don’t let me deter you, keep up the good work, defrocking this guy. Going after Max Blumenthal in and of itself, is a clear indication of Proyect’s support for hegemony and imperialism.


On Oct 28, 2018, at 10:13, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com<mailto:davidgreen50 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Karen,

Since Proyect has a decent following both on his blog and Marxmail, and because the views on Syria that shape his criticism of TRNN are common among a certain faction of the left (ISO, John Reimann, etc.) I think it's notable when the debate about Syria carries over into other contexts; many are not aware of the ideological connections between these contexts. This discourse tell us something about the challenges of the anti-war & anti-imperialist movements, such as they are, in this country. Proyect has been fundamental, in his own minor way, in defining these fractures. Nevertheless, part of my interest in him stems from the informative nature of his blog and Marxmail (although I don't read his movie reviews), as well as his weekly presence on Counterpunch. Admittedly, Proyect's demonization of someone like Max Blumenthal is perhaps too morbidly interesting to me; but his "support" for Kashoggi is of a somewhat different order than Jebreal's, and I felt it was worth noting the distinction.

Best,

David

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:10 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
David: Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man.  Carl: your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg, with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic Party, violently opposed.

David: I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi, on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:

Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.

MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.

The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.

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From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:00:01 +0000
Subject: [Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN
	Utube page.
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David

Then by all means, don’t let me deter you, keep up the good work, defrocking this guy. Going after Max Blumenthal in and of itself, is a clear indication of Proyect’s support for hegemony and imperialism.


On Oct 28, 2018, at 10:13, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com<mailto:davidgreen50 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Karen,

Since Proyect has a decent following both on his blog and Marxmail, and because the views on Syria that shape his criticism of TRNN are common among a certain faction of the left (ISO, John Reimann, etc.) I think it's notable when the debate about Syria carries over into other contexts; many are not aware of the ideological connections between these contexts. This discourse tell us something about the challenges of the anti-war & anti-imperialist movements, such as they are, in this country. Proyect has been fundamental, in his own minor way, in defining these fractures. Nevertheless, part of my interest in him stems from the informative nature of his blog and Marxmail (although I don't read his movie reviews), as well as his weekly presence on Counterpunch. Admittedly, Proyect's demonization of someone like Max Blumenthal is perhaps too morbidly interesting to me; but his "support" for Kashoggi is of a somewhat different order than Jebreal's, and I felt it was worth noting the distinction.

Best,

David

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:10 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
David: Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. “Unrepentant Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man.  Carl: your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg, with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic Party, violently opposed.

David: I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi, on Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which many were in agreement:

Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried, just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.

MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration, promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their authority.

The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious, to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has been bought, and the people have been blinded.

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 28 18:04:51 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:04:51 +0000
Subject: [Peace] A good podcast with Max Blumenthal,
 relating  DC political entanglements, with details.....
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB2382C22F9F6533A61193AB33A3F20@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

https://youtu.be/FeCOTB7CRgc

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 28 18:04:51 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:04:51 +0000
Subject: [Peace] A good podcast with Max Blumenthal,
 relating  DC political entanglements, with details.....
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB2382C22F9F6533A61193AB33A3F20@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

https://youtu.be/FeCOTB7CRgc

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 28 18:30:55 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:30:55 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Common ground on Syria: What France, Germany,
 Turkey & Russia agreed in Istanbul Published time: 27 Oct,
 2018 22:19 Edited time: 28 Oct, 2018 08:53
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB2382C263AFE3A6C166161E89A3F20@MWHPR08MB2382.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Common ground on Syria: What France, Germany, Turkey & Russia agreed in Istanbul
Published time: 27 Oct, 2018 22:19Edited time: 28 Oct, 2018 08:53
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[Common ground on Syria: What France, Germany, Turkey & Russia agreed in Istanbul]
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Despite years of disagreements on Syria, the leaders of Turkey, France, Germany, and Russia worked out a common vision for the steps to reconciliation in the war-torn country when they met in Istanbul. Here’s a summary of it.

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who hosted the talks, was joined by Russia’s Vladimir Putin and France’s Emmanuel Macron, as well as German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Following the summit, the four leaders held a joint press conference and released a communique, highlighting what common ground they had found during the four-way talks.

  *   Only political solution for Syria
The leaders have “expressed their support for an inclusive, Syrian-led and Syrian-owned political process that is facilitated by the United Nations.”

  *   Need to start work on constitution in Geneva
A committee tasked with drafting a new constitution for Syria should begin its work as soon as possible, preferably before the end of this year.

  *   No to division of Syria
Syria must continue to exist within its pre-war borders. Any separatist movements or desires of foreign powers to occupy parts of the country are therefore firmly rejected.

  *   Keep ceasefire & defeat terrorists
The four countries have expressed their support for the Idlib ceasefire deal, brokered earlier by Russia and Turkey. At the same time, they emphasized the importance of fighting terrorism and condemned the use of chemical weapons.

  *   Boost humanitarian aid
The United Nations and other international organizations should bolster aid deliveries to the war-torn country. “Swift, safe and unhindered” flow of humanitarian aid will provide much-needed relief to the sufferings of the Syrian people.

  *   Help return of refugees
The four leaders stressed the importance of “safe and voluntary” return of refugees to Syria. To facilitate the process, appropriate housing and social care facilities must be constructed in the country.

  *   Internationally observed elections
The ultimate goal of the political settlement process is holding transparent, internationally observed elections, the statement reads. All Syrians, including those who had to flee the country, must be able to participate.

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Subject: [Peace] Common ground on Syria: What France, Germany,
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Despite years of disagreements on Syria, the leaders of Turkey, France, Germany, and Russia worked out a common vision for the steps to reconciliation in the war-torn country when they met in Istanbul. Here’s a summary of it.

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who hosted the talks, was joined by Russia’s Vladimir Putin and France’s Emmanuel Macron, as well as German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Following the summit, the four leaders held a joint press conference and released a communique, highlighting what common ground they had found during the four-way talks.

  *   Only political solution for Syria
The leaders have “expressed their support for an inclusive, Syrian-led and Syrian-owned political process that is facilitated by the United Nations.”

  *   Need to start work on constitution in Geneva
A committee tasked with drafting a new constitution for Syria should begin its work as soon as possible, preferably before the end of this year.

  *   No to division of Syria
Syria must continue to exist within its pre-war borders. Any separatist movements or desires of foreign powers to occupy parts of the country are therefore firmly rejected.

  *   Keep ceasefire & defeat terrorists
The four countries have expressed their support for the Idlib ceasefire deal, brokered earlier by Russia and Turkey. At the same time, they emphasized the importance of fighting terrorism and condemned the use of chemical weapons.

  *   Boost humanitarian aid
The United Nations and other international organizations should bolster aid deliveries to the war-torn country. “Swift, safe and unhindered” flow of humanitarian aid will provide much-needed relief to the sufferings of the Syrian people.

  *   Help return of refugees
The four leaders stressed the importance of “safe and voluntary” return of refugees to Syria. To facilitate the process, appropriate housing and social care facilities must be constructed in the country.

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Subject: [Peace] The Abolition of Nuclear Abolitionism? - by Stephen Cohen
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US President Donald Trump with senior military commanders, October 23, 2018 © Global Look Press / Shealah Craighead

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President Trump’s withdrawal from the INF Treaty nullifies a historic precedent.

Stephen Cohen elaborates on the following points regarding Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, signed by the US and (Soviet) Russia in 1987.

- For whatever reasons, both leaders at the time, President Ronald Reagan and Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev, had developed a deep personal fear of nuclear weapons. After agreeing in principle, though informally, in February 1986 that all nuclear weapons should be eliminated, the following year they abolished an entire category of those instruments of mass destruction: nuclear-warhead–bearing missiles with a range of some 500–5,500 kilometers.

Read more
[Launching the Iskander-M ballistic missile system at the Kapustin Yar range in the Astrakhan Region © Sputnik]US' ultimate goal is to strip Russia of its nukes<https://www.rt.com/op-ed/442136-inf-russia-us-nuclear/>

- The INF Treaty was focused on Europe, which was targeted by Soviet missiles and which was where US counter-missiles were based. It was a major step in a diplomatic process of grand détente that both Reagan and Gorbachev thought would end the Cold War and nuclear arms races forever. The treaty's larger significance is that it was the first, and still only, act of nuclear abolitionism - until now, a historic 31-year tangible symbol of what more could, and should, be possible.

- If carried out, however, Trump’s decision relegates the historic INF Treaty to the status of just another failed or discarded international agreement.

Trump gave two reasons for nullifying the INF Treaty: Russia has been violating the agreement by developing a new intermediate-range “cruise” missile; and China, which was not a party to the treaty, has been developing its own arsenal of such weapons. There is some truth in both allegations, though none that would have ruled out negotiations to revise, expand, and preserve the treaty. But there was a larger truth that went unmentioned by Trump and by virtually all of the US commentary on his decision.

- For twenty years, Washington has adopted policies that implicitly, perhaps inexorably, undermined the INF Treaty. In the late 1990s, President Bill Clinton began the eastward expansion of the US-led NATO military alliance to Russia’s borders. In 2002, President George W. Bush unilaterally withdrew the US from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which prohibited the deployment of missile-defense installations. That prohibition had preserved the certainty of Mutual Assured Destruction in the event of one side launching a first strike, and it kept the nuclear peace since the onset of the nuclear age. Within a few years, Washington made missile-defense deployment a NATO project and thus its installations accompanied NATO expansion, on land and sea, to Russia’s borders. Still more, those installments are not only a “defensive”system. As MIT Professor Theodore Postol and others have shown, US-NATO missile-defense installments near Russia now have the capacity to launch intermediate-range “cruise” missiles.

Read more
[© AFP / Wojtek Radwanski]Business as usual: US INF pullout will delight arms industry as it threatens to reignite Cold War<https://www.rt.com/op-ed/442257-nuclear-inf-war-weapons/>

- Moscow has been fully aware of this capacity for years and has repeatedly complained to Washington that it violates the INF Treaty. Washington ignored the complaints, and, not surprisingly, Moscow began developing its own new version of intermediate-range missiles. Herein lies the causal dynamic of the new US-Russian Cold War. Washington provokes, Moscow reacts, and the cycle becomes self-perpetuating. Reagan and Gorbachev thought they had broken this fateful, then forty-year cycle, in 1987, by undertaking mutual military build-downs and an act of nuclear abolitionism. Looking back from today’s perspective, they failed. And Gorbachev, now 87, watches as yet another of his historic legacies is undone by his successors, mostly American ones.

What now? The INF Treaty requires six months’ notice prior to withdrawal, so formally there is time for diplomacy to save some version of this historic agreement. (We do not know what role Russiagate allegations that Trump is a “Kremlin puppet” played in his decision, among other possible factors.) Trump and Putin are scheduled to meet in Paris, and possibly in Argentina, in November, and the subject will certainly be on their agenda, though a reversal of Trump’s decision seems unlikely.

- As Cohen has pointed out before<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.thenation.com_article_how-2Dwashington-2Dprovoked-2Dand-2Dperhaps-2Dlost-2Da-2Dnew-2Dnuclear-2Darms-2Drace_&d=DwMFaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=92k8TC3tp3N8lXRWXYW1FA&m=ca1JQzPjW7xmtqyxd1mo6HEG44m9DIuAGi1_OFR2uOM&s=mEHFoSDM447dGp0YFRF-pOTiFBcTX-SMHfoBju6hEiY&e=>, a new nuclear arms race has been under way for some time. Obviously, the abolition of the INF Treaty can only accelerate it on both sides.

- Nuclear weapons, like war itself, are ultimately about politics. And Trump’s decision will have important political consequences in both capitals. Clearly, it is a budgetary “victory” for the military-industrial complexes on both sides. Each is ever eager to develop, test, and deploy new weapons systems.

Read more
[© Reuters]US ready to blow another arms control treaty to feed its war economy<https://www.rt.com/op-ed/441946-inf-treaty-trump-arms-war/>

- It is also a political victory for “hawks” in Washington, for those like John Bolton, Trump’s national security adviser, who oppose any constraints on American power, and for their counterparts in Moscow. Russia’s “hawks” now have an additional argument against the kind of “cooperation with our American partners” that Russian President Putin continues to preach. Washington has now exited or violated yet another international agreement, all of which involved Russia and some crucially. Clinton broke a promise made to Gorbachev by his predecessor that NATO would not<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.thenation.com_article_the-2Dus-2Dbetrayed-2Drussia-2Dbut-2Dit-2Dis-2Dnot-2Dnews-2Dthats-2Dfit-2Dto-2Dprint_&d=DwMFaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=92k8TC3tp3N8lXRWXYW1FA&m=ca1JQzPjW7xmtqyxd1mo6HEG44m9DIuAGi1_OFR2uOM&s=AVTRriyZp-6HiIBQVfcPk-P3ESrdGfxZaQfpTYIaHAE&e=>expand eastward. Bush unilaterally nullified the ABM Treaty. Trump has quit the international climate treaty, the agreement with Iran regarding nuclear weapons, and now the INF Treaty. Moscow is unlikely to have any more illusions about Trump, but Russia’s “hawks” now have an argument that transcends any American president: the United States cannot be trusted to honor its agreements, certainly not in the long run.

- Trump’s decision could also affect American politics. It might revive the once important but long dormant, or dead, anti-nuke movement in grassroots politics. It might re-direct Democratic and other opposition to Trump from largely bogus Russiagate allegations to actual substantive issues like the danger of nuclear war. Nor should we forget that more than two years of Russisagate allegations, which have demonized both Trump and “Putin’s Russia,” have probably made it easier, if not tempting, for Trump to quit the INF Treaty.

But the biggest political fallout will almost certainly be in Europe, which was the focal point of the original conflict over intermediate-range nuclear missiles. If Trump tries to deploy a new generation of such land-based weapons, where - within easy range of Russia - will they be based? No Asian government will take them, but will any European ones, even NATO members, given the strategic risk and likelihood of mass political protests at home? If Trump proceeds, big political struggles lie ahead in Europe, struggles that could continue the drift of “US allies” away from Washington—possibly toward Moscow.

Stephen F. Cohen is a professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at New York University and Princeton University and a contributing editor of The Nation.

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[The Abolition of Nuclear Abolitionism? - by Stephen Cohen]
US President Donald Trump with senior military commanders, October 23, 2018 © Global Look Press / Shealah Craighead

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President Trump’s withdrawal from the INF Treaty nullifies a historic precedent.

Stephen Cohen elaborates on the following points regarding Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, signed by the US and (Soviet) Russia in 1987.

- For whatever reasons, both leaders at the time, President Ronald Reagan and Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev, had developed a deep personal fear of nuclear weapons. After agreeing in principle, though informally, in February 1986 that all nuclear weapons should be eliminated, the following year they abolished an entire category of those instruments of mass destruction: nuclear-warhead–bearing missiles with a range of some 500–5,500 kilometers.

Read more
[Launching the Iskander-M ballistic missile system at the Kapustin Yar range in the Astrakhan Region © Sputnik]US' ultimate goal is to strip Russia of its nukes<https://www.rt.com/op-ed/442136-inf-russia-us-nuclear/>

- The INF Treaty was focused on Europe, which was targeted by Soviet missiles and which was where US counter-missiles were based. It was a major step in a diplomatic process of grand détente that both Reagan and Gorbachev thought would end the Cold War and nuclear arms races forever. The treaty's larger significance is that it was the first, and still only, act of nuclear abolitionism - until now, a historic 31-year tangible symbol of what more could, and should, be possible.

- If carried out, however, Trump’s decision relegates the historic INF Treaty to the status of just another failed or discarded international agreement.

Trump gave two reasons for nullifying the INF Treaty: Russia has been violating the agreement by developing a new intermediate-range “cruise” missile; and China, which was not a party to the treaty, has been developing its own arsenal of such weapons. There is some truth in both allegations, though none that would have ruled out negotiations to revise, expand, and preserve the treaty. But there was a larger truth that went unmentioned by Trump and by virtually all of the US commentary on his decision.

- For twenty years, Washington has adopted policies that implicitly, perhaps inexorably, undermined the INF Treaty. In the late 1990s, President Bill Clinton began the eastward expansion of the US-led NATO military alliance to Russia’s borders. In 2002, President George W. Bush unilaterally withdrew the US from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which prohibited the deployment of missile-defense installations. That prohibition had preserved the certainty of Mutual Assured Destruction in the event of one side launching a first strike, and it kept the nuclear peace since the onset of the nuclear age. Within a few years, Washington made missile-defense deployment a NATO project and thus its installations accompanied NATO expansion, on land and sea, to Russia’s borders. Still more, those installments are not only a “defensive”system. As MIT Professor Theodore Postol and others have shown, US-NATO missile-defense installments near Russia now have the capacity to launch intermediate-range “cruise” missiles.

Read more
[© AFP / Wojtek Radwanski]Business as usual: US INF pullout will delight arms industry as it threatens to reignite Cold War<https://www.rt.com/op-ed/442257-nuclear-inf-war-weapons/>

- Moscow has been fully aware of this capacity for years and has repeatedly complained to Washington that it violates the INF Treaty. Washington ignored the complaints, and, not surprisingly, Moscow began developing its own new version of intermediate-range missiles. Herein lies the causal dynamic of the new US-Russian Cold War. Washington provokes, Moscow reacts, and the cycle becomes self-perpetuating. Reagan and Gorbachev thought they had broken this fateful, then forty-year cycle, in 1987, by undertaking mutual military build-downs and an act of nuclear abolitionism. Looking back from today’s perspective, they failed. And Gorbachev, now 87, watches as yet another of his historic legacies is undone by his successors, mostly American ones.

What now? The INF Treaty requires six months’ notice prior to withdrawal, so formally there is time for diplomacy to save some version of this historic agreement. (We do not know what role Russiagate allegations that Trump is a “Kremlin puppet” played in his decision, among other possible factors.) Trump and Putin are scheduled to meet in Paris, and possibly in Argentina, in November, and the subject will certainly be on their agenda, though a reversal of Trump’s decision seems unlikely.

- As Cohen has pointed out before<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.thenation.com_article_how-2Dwashington-2Dprovoked-2Dand-2Dperhaps-2Dlost-2Da-2Dnew-2Dnuclear-2Darms-2Drace_&d=DwMFaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=92k8TC3tp3N8lXRWXYW1FA&m=ca1JQzPjW7xmtqyxd1mo6HEG44m9DIuAGi1_OFR2uOM&s=mEHFoSDM447dGp0YFRF-pOTiFBcTX-SMHfoBju6hEiY&e=>, a new nuclear arms race has been under way for some time. Obviously, the abolition of the INF Treaty can only accelerate it on both sides.

- Nuclear weapons, like war itself, are ultimately about politics. And Trump’s decision will have important political consequences in both capitals. Clearly, it is a budgetary “victory” for the military-industrial complexes on both sides. Each is ever eager to develop, test, and deploy new weapons systems.

Read more
[© Reuters]US ready to blow another arms control treaty to feed its war economy<https://www.rt.com/op-ed/441946-inf-treaty-trump-arms-war/>

- It is also a political victory for “hawks” in Washington, for those like John Bolton, Trump’s national security adviser, who oppose any constraints on American power, and for their counterparts in Moscow. Russia’s “hawks” now have an additional argument against the kind of “cooperation with our American partners” that Russian President Putin continues to preach. Washington has now exited or violated yet another international agreement, all of which involved Russia and some crucially. Clinton broke a promise made to Gorbachev by his predecessor that NATO would not<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.thenation.com_article_the-2Dus-2Dbetrayed-2Drussia-2Dbut-2Dit-2Dis-2Dnot-2Dnews-2Dthats-2Dfit-2Dto-2Dprint_&d=DwMFaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=92k8TC3tp3N8lXRWXYW1FA&m=ca1JQzPjW7xmtqyxd1mo6HEG44m9DIuAGi1_OFR2uOM&s=AVTRriyZp-6HiIBQVfcPk-P3ESrdGfxZaQfpTYIaHAE&e=>expand eastward. Bush unilaterally nullified the ABM Treaty. Trump has quit the international climate treaty, the agreement with Iran regarding nuclear weapons, and now the INF Treaty. Moscow is unlikely to have any more illusions about Trump, but Russia’s “hawks” now have an argument that transcends any American president: the United States cannot be trusted to honor its agreements, certainly not in the long run.

- Trump’s decision could also affect American politics. It might revive the once important but long dormant, or dead, anti-nuke movement in grassroots politics. It might re-direct Democratic and other opposition to Trump from largely bogus Russiagate allegations to actual substantive issues like the danger of nuclear war. Nor should we forget that more than two years of Russisagate allegations, which have demonized both Trump and “Putin’s Russia,” have probably made it easier, if not tempting, for Trump to quit the INF Treaty.

But the biggest political fallout will almost certainly be in Europe, which was the focal point of the original conflict over intermediate-range nuclear missiles. If Trump tries to deploy a new generation of such land-based weapons, where - within easy range of Russia - will they be based? No Asian government will take them, but will any European ones, even NATO members, given the strategic risk and likelihood of mass political protests at home? If Trump proceeds, big political struggles lie ahead in Europe, struggles that could continue the drift of “US allies” away from Washington—possibly toward Moscow.

Stephen F. Cohen is a professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at New York University and Princeton University and a contributing editor of The Nation.

This article was originally published by The Nation<https://www.thenation.com/article/the-abolition-of-nuclear-abolitionism/>.
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Subject: [Peace] Chris Hedges and Glen Ford of the Black Agenda Report,
 on the con of diversity.
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Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 19:36:55 +0000
Subject: [Peace] Chris Hedges and Glen Ford of the Black Agenda Report,
 on the con of diversity.
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 29 20:35:50 2018
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:35:50 +0000
Subject: [Peace] 5, 200 US troops being sent to the Mexican Border,
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https://sputniknews.com/us/201810291069334277-5200-Troops-Mexico-Border


This is in direct violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, an act that prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces as a posse comitatus for law enforcement, except in cases and circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress.

The act was enacted in the year1878, and it is cited in 18 USCS § 1385.


It’s due to this act, and circumvention of, that the USG has been militarizing the US police across the country.

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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:35:50 +0000
Subject: [Peace] 5, 200 US troops being sent to the Mexican Border,
	some will be armed.
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https://sputniknews.com/us/201810291069334277-5200-Troops-Mexico-Border


This is in direct violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, an act that prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces as a posse comitatus for law enforcement, except in cases and circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress.

The act was enacted in the year1878, and it is cited in 18 USCS § 1385.


It’s due to this act, and circumvention of, that the USG has been militarizing the US police across the country.

<https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1251/MR1251.AppD.pdf>
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Subject: [Peace] Ben Norton and Paul Jay,
 on the Pittsburgh massacre very worth a listen...
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https://therealnews.com/stories/the-pittsburgh-massacre-and-growing-fascism

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Subject: [Peace] Southern Illinois Rallies to Reject Trump and Fascism
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Southern Illinois Rallies to Reject Trump and Fascism
By Party for Socialism and Liberation - Champaign-Urbana
Oct 30, 2018
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[Southern Illinois Rallies to Reject Trump and Fascism]

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“All Ways Closed to Fascism,” was the prevailing theme on October 27, in Murphysboro, Il. as activists and members of the community in a around the greater Carbondale area rallied to protest Donald Trump’s visit to the Southern Illinois Airport. Despite authorities’ attempts to contain the crowd of about 150 to a so-called “demonstration zone” in the far corner of a muddy field well beyond the view of anyone else, the protesters marched toward the actual site of Trump’s speech, forcing local police to retreat up to the perimeter of the Secret Service. “All Ways Closed to Fascism,” a play on the Carbondale city motto, “All Ways Open,” made its way onto a large banner carried at the front of the march.

Carbondale Solidarity Network, Flyover Social Center, Southern Illinoisans Against Fracturing Our Environment (SAFE), Young Democratic Socialists of America and the Party for Socialism and Liberation were among the groups organizing the protest. Just one week prior, when news of Trump’s impending rally in Southern Illinois was announced these same groups immediately sprang into action to fight back against his reactionary agenda.

Carbondale was initially announced as the location for Trump’s rally, prompting organizers to mobilize to confront the Carbondale City Council with an event titled “City Assembly to Shut Down Trump” on October 23. Unwilling to face the people in their justified anger, the city’s mayor then took the unprecedented step of cancelling the planned City Council meeting. In addition to Trump’s impending visit, activists were also expected to oppose a proposal by Brightfields Development LLC expected to negatively affect the health of nearby residents in a neighborhood historically constituted of the poor people and people of color.

In response to the mayor’s cancelation local activists stepped up in the place of the City Council and organized their own popular assembly on the steps of the city hall to allow the people to have their voice.

In showing the unity and strength of the local resistance to Trump, activists won an early victory by successfully forcing him to change the location of his planned rally from Carbondale to nearby Murphysboro.

Trump’s visit also came freshly off the tail of a disgusting new proposal to essentially deny the very existence of transgender people. Outrage over this was palpable at the rally. A large proportion of signs, as well as demonstrators wearing pink and blue flags representing the trans community, expressed this. Recently Trump has also praised a Republican candidate  for Congress from Montana for body slamming a reporter.

Davey Peppers, a local student who spoke to Liberation News, said that he was heartened to see so many standing together for immigrant and transgender rights in an area traditionally known for its conservatism, and was inspired to see the local community coming over to defy Trump’s reactionary agenda.

Yasmin Ibrahim, a native of southern Illinois pointed out that though Trump “tries to paint it as if he’s helping people… the things that [he] is advocating for are detrimental to everyone.” He stressed that this reverberated “not just for Carbondale…they’re affecting the whole world.”

This sentiment was a common one from protesters, who spoke about how Trump’s policies have only been in service to Wall Street and the capitalist class instead of the U.S. working class he sometime attempts to cynically align with.

On both Oct. 23 and Oct. 27, local government’s failure to respond to the concerns of its citizens was met by the activists with decisive action, further solidifying evidence that communities are fully capable of self-reliance and self-determination in the face of threatening elements and in opposition to the racist capitalist state. Following the protest on Oct. 27, organizers and other attendees were feeling jubilant and confident in the radical potential in Southern Illinois that once again seems ripe for action. That these groups are capable of standing up and performing the duties required to make and remake society, without or without the aid or action of state elements, is now beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 31 22:42:50 2018
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 22:42:50 +0000
Subject: [Peace] US support for anti-semitism
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Those concerned with anti-semitism in the US, should look at what the USG is doing in relation to supporting anti-semitism in Poland and the Ukraine.
This podcast by Max Blumenthal on “The Real News,” dates back to April of this year, and is relative today.



https://therealnews.com/stories/max-blumenthal-us-is-arming-neo-nazis-in-ukraine