[Peace] My response to NFN yesterday. I pasted it on the NFN Utube page.

[David Green]

Hi Karen,

Since Proyect has a decent following both on his blog and Marxmail, and
because the views on Syria that shape his criticism of TRNN are common
among a certain faction of the left (ISO, John Reimann, etc.) I think it's
notable when the debate about Syria carries over into other contexts; many
are not aware of the ideological connections between these contexts. This
discourse tell us something about the challenges of the anti-war &
anti-imperialist movements, such as they are, in this country. Proyect has
been fundamental, in his own minor way, in defining these fractures.
Nevertheless, part of my interest in him stems from the informative nature
of his blog and Marxmail (although I don't read his movie reviews), as well
as his weekly presence on Counterpunch. Admittedly, Proyect's demonization
of someone like Max Blumenthal is perhaps too morbidly interesting to me;
but his "support" for Kashoggi is of a somewhat different order than
Jebreal's, and I felt it was worth noting the distinction.

Best,

David

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:10 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:

> *David*: Why quote Louis Proyect, he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing.
> “Unrepentant Marxist” my foot, and he is not the only one. A true socialist
> has no problem recognizing Khashoggi is not a "kind or good" man.  *Carl:*
> your statement that Rosa Luxembourg was murdered by socialists is a bit
> disingenuous, given she was murdered by Social Democratic leader Friedrich
> Ebert, who ordered a division of the German military, known as the
> Freikorps. Rosa Luxemburg, with Karl Liebknecht, organized a strong
> movement in Germany with these views, but was imprisoned and, after her
> release, killed at Eberts instructions, for her work during the failed
> German Revolution of 1919 - a revolution which the German Social Democratic
> Party, violently opposed.
>
> *David:* I too was outraged over Rula Jabreal’s spin on Kashoggi, on
> Democracy Now, and posted on my FB page, the following statement to which
> many were in agreement:
>
> Evening rant: Democracy Now, this morning with Rula Jabreal speaking of
> her recent interview with Jamal Kashoggi, made me ill. Her portrait of him
> as a "kind man, wanting democracy and human rights blah, blah for his
> people." And, Amy never said a word. This "kind man" as she referred to
> him, was tortured, murdered, dismembered and buried in the
> Embassy/Consulate grounds. However, he supported the KSA in their war
> efforts, specifically in Yemen. No one deserves to die as he did, certainly
> none of the Yemeni civilians who have been dying in record numbers since
> March 2015 due to US and Saudi efforts. Their bodies aren't even buried,
> just left to rot in the rubble from the Saudi bombings, which take place
> only with USG support, our weapons, our training, logistics, refueling etc.
>
> MBS the new guy responsible for J. Kashoggi's death, visited the US after
> his coup, with our ruling elites, especially the Trump Administration,
> promoting him as a reformer, because he planned to allow Saudi women the
> right to drive. This was proven to be a facade, when he had the woman
> leading the call for driving privileges, incarcerated. A protestor, also a
> woman was beheaded recently, for some minor infraction, like speaking out
> against abuse by the gov.. The Saudi's are brutal leaders, treating their
> people with utter disdain, allowing absolutely no challenge to their
> authority.
>
> The Saudi Royal family is a US construct, supported by us, since WW2 as
> "our dictators." "Pseudo journalists" like Rula, Amy and others supported
> by our ruling elites are playing politics, and its looking quite obvious,
> to have something to do with upcoming elections. As despicable as the
> Republicans are, the Democrats within the Beltway are no better, playing
> good cop, bad cop. I do vote for local Democrats, but recognize how
> unimportant and corrupt elections are, if only because mainstream media has
> been bought, and the people have been blinded.
>
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