[Peace] [Peace-discuss] NfN #428 notes

Sun Jul 14 14:26:05 UTC 2019

FYI –

Five members of the DSA met yesterday to talk about the Gray zone project article about the ISO leadership merging into the DSA national, which I sent out the beginning of last week.

These members were very disturbed by the article and it will be a topic of discussion at the next formal meeting on July 27th. We want to send a letter of complaint to DSA national about this.

Also C-U DSA formally endorsed the anti-war protest yesterday earlier in the week.

I would really like to know how many other DSA members and chapters around the country are aware of this and if so, rather or not they are also upset.

You have to keep in mind that the entire culture of DSA changed in 2017 when a huge number of younger people and some older people as well joined the organization, increasing the size of DSA 10 fold.

Most of these younger people and some of the older people who joined in 2017 are not of the same mindset as Harrington et al. This is reflected in letters and articles in the monthly DSA newsletter.

So I wouldn’t be surprised that a confrontation may occur in the future within DSA about the ISO leadership and their pro-imperialist policies. 

WE will see. If the national DSA adopts the imperialist policies of the ISO merged leadership, I know that myself and at least 6 other members of the C-U DSA branch will resign.

David J.

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David, Carl and JB 

Excellent program, and now I offer my humble opinion:  

I think the important message of the Graystone Project, in relation to the Socialism Conference, is the exposure of the ISO, as has been attempted by the WSWS.ORG, as a DNC front. 

I didn’t see the article as being a critique of the DSA, as the DSA has been very open, in relation to their support for Democrat candidates through electoral politics, which means reform from within the system, since dating back to the days of Michael Harrington, their founder. I personally don’t see it as viable, given where we are today, but thats another discussion and my opinion. 

The ISO though the members I knew, did not support war or imperialism, many of the leaders do. This I discovered over years of reading their material, much of which means reading between the lines.

 However, their vilification of Bashar Assad, and open support for the “rebels” such as Al Nusra, which the USG supports as one of our jihadists, never has been acknowledged as error, with continued vilification of the Syrian government, and support for opposition groups which are clearly US supported jihadists. The true Syrian opposition to the government, has long dissipated, 

The WSWS.ORG, an arm of the  Socialist Equality Party, has been addressing this issue for years, what surprised me was the funding coming from the DNC, though it should be no surprise given in the time I was involved, seven months, I recall no discussions related to Marx, or Trotsky. As a member of the YSA the youth organization of the Socialist Workers Party, during the 70’s, that was the main focus, reading that which Trotsky said, often out of context thus rather boring. I object to the article painting all Trotskyist organizations with the same tar brush, as well as the use of the term Trotskyite, which is meant to be derogatory.

On another topic: 

David, I was quite surprised at you, not taking seriously, all that has taken place over recent years beginning with Obama’s “pivot to Asia.” Carl addressed your question very well, as he has since I first took note of AWARE in early 2013 or 2012. There is little doubt in most political analysts minds these days, credible ones, that China is the ultimate target of imperialism by the US. First of course must come a break up of the friendship between China and Russia, which was accomplished so well by Obama’s “pivot.” Just as the Pentagon was not happy with Obama’s rush to the pivot at the time, given they were concentrating on the Middle east/Magreb and one can conduct only so many wars of provocation at a time. Also, as Wm. Blum pointed out, before the election of 2016, if the neocons take power, and they have with Trump, they will focus on Iran, as Iran is the stepping stone to Russia. What we see unfolding now, I see as “we were warned.”

Is the ultimate goal war with China, with bombs and destruction? Likely not, because China is seen as a target market, just as the middle east, the whole of Africa, has been targeted for control of their resources. To assume that the US isn’t hoping for regime change within China just as they are hoping for regime change within both Russia and Iran, in order to control those nations as we have done with the more vulnerable, is a mistake, our provocations, sanctions, and interventions covertly, are just that. However, if all is unsuccessful in acquiring regime change……..

On Jul 12, 2019, at 16:34, J.B. Nicholson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

News from Neptune #428
A "Socialist Threat" edition
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JwbSBsr_LU

A list of links to items referenced on the show.

2019 Socialism Conference
https://socialismconference.org/ -- conference website
https://archive.fo/GbmTo -- archive of the conference website

Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal on "DSA/Jacobin/Haymarket-sponsored ‘Socialism’ conference features US gov-funded regime-change activists"
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/06/dsa-jacobin-iso-socialism-conference-us-funded-regime-change/

Adolph Reed, Jr. on "Cargo cult politics" in "Splendors and Miseries of the Antiracist “Left”"
https://nonsite.org/editorial/splendors-and-miseries-of-the-antiracist-left-2

New Politics
https://newpol.org/

Zbigniew Brzezinski's "Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power"
ISBN 978-0-465-02954-9
Book: https://orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Brzezinski-Zbigniew.-Strategic-Vision-America-and-the-Crisis-of-Global-Power.pdf (this PDF is a bit oddly formatted, particularly a long list toward the end which needlessly occupies many pages)

John Pilger's "The Coming War With China"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot-acn1whrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG7Bve0baPo -- Pilger interview about this film.

Wikipedia on "Woke"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

Glen Ford on "Sanders vs the Endless Austerity Regime"
https://blackagendareport.com/sanders-vs-endless-austerity-regime

Some recent Jeffrey Epstein news and his connections to elites/power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgDA5iQ8r-Y -- was Epstein an informant for the US government?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLcFpxFYngg -- CrossTalk on Epstein: what of justice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjZXeJ8asI -- Why was Bill Clinton on Epstein's jet (The Lolita Express) at least 26 times, according to flight logs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceHMyNytYV0 -- other "big names drop" as the scandal grows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFAX8uxgeA -- Alan Dershowitz defending Epstein and himself in his connection to Epstein on "The View".

Notes from J.B. Nicholson
https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-July/051033.html

No War in Iran
Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 5PM
Southwest corner of West Side Park (400 W. University Ave., Champaign, Illinois)

-J
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